Manchester United

[Jonny2J]

it doesnt matter i like to know wot other teams fans think about different areas of united i,e transfers, formations the more the better i say. but apart from the obvious few please state who u supportToon Army

[Gary G]

Toon Army

Likewise

[mxavier1985]

so what do u guys think of united love,hate or just tolerate

[Morientes19]

Hate, Hate, hate. Only kidding!!!

[Jonny2J]

so what do u guys think of united love,hate or just tolerateive always had a hatred of united... but being a newcastle fan thats justified... but there's still a lot of respect for united for what they've achieved in the past and how for the last 10 years carried the flag in europe

[NorthernLights]

Highest paid jonny21, not how much he cost

[Morientes19]

i admit i hate manu but i also respect them too.

[mxavier1985]

i think after last nite im falling into hate! we have a great squad ;better than most in europe we just cant seem to play well in knockout any more.

[mxavier1985]

GUYS HELP! SIGN UP AND VOTE PLEASE HELP ME IM LOSING!!!

http://www.goal4glory.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3657#post3657

[Morientes19]

i didnt see manu game last night. How did they play?

[mxavier1985]

good but we didnt score so theres the prob.
whos better terry or ferdinand

[Morientes19]

good but we didnt score so theres the prob.
whos better terry or ferdinand

terry is better

[Cristiano07]

i think ferdy, but im prob a bit biast, close though

[Morientes19]

sven thinks rio is better- but we know what sven is like

[mxavier1985]

is any one signed up on goal4glory if yes click the link above and vote ferdi

[Cristiano07]

sven thinks rio is better- but we know what sven is like

did u c rio last nite? he was absolutely class, solid as a rock

[Morientes19]

did u c rio last nite? he was absolutely class, solid as a rock

did you see terry last night. CLASS. Awesome at both ends. And scored winning goal. Also cech was brill made about 5 top saves

[Cristiano07]

did you see terry last night. CLASS. Awesome at both ends. And scored winning goal. Also cech was brill made about 5 top saves

yeah, have 2 admit was lookin class wen barca were rippin em open

[Tenacious D]

yeah, have 2 admit was lookin class wen barca were rippin em open
But how did they score :rolleyes: a penalty and sheer class :eek: :eek: :eek: think before you type.

[Cristiano07]

=-']But how did they score :rolleyes: a penalty and sheer class :eek: :eek: :eek: think before you type.

yeah but ripped em open wen inesta (spellin??) hit post and eto'o blazed ova, plus sum otha chances that i cant remember right now

[Morientes19]

chelsea ripped open barca in 1st half

[Tenacious D]

yeah but ripped em open wen inesta (spellin??) hit post and eto'o blazed ova, plus sum otha chances that i cant remember right now
That wasn't terry...think about how we ripped them and if you lot played Barca im sure Rio would get so called 'ripped'

Terry was class and didnt put a foot wrong.

[Morientes19]

=-']That wasn't terry...think about how we ripped them and if you lot played Barca im sure Rio would get so called 'ripped'

Terry was class and didnt put a foot wrong.

well said. tery and carvalho were brilliant

[mxavier1985]

chelsea ripped open barca in 1st half
we are talking about defence now mate, chelskis defence.

[Cristiano07]

we wud expect u 2 rip em opened, their defence is crap, howeva, was surprisin how easily they got in at times 2 a 'class' defence

[Tenacious D]

we wud expect u 2 rip em opened, their defence is crap, howeva, was surprisin how easily they got in at times 2 a class defence
Excuss me they have Ronaldinho(Worst player of the year) , Etoo(terrible worse then Heskey), Deco , Iniesta and so on their attack is so crap im sorry :)

[Cristiano07]

=-']Excuss me they have Ronaldinho(Worst player of the year) , Etoo(terrible worse then Heskey), Deco , Iniesta and so on their attack is so crap im sorry :)

u wud expect em to have 2 work really hard 2 get in though, but seemed 2 get in with a bit of ease at times

[Morientes19]

ronaldinho didnt seem bothered at times. he never took people on.

[Cristiano07]

ronaldinho didnt seem bothered at times. he never took people on.

didnt seem bothered, wot do u mean wen he scored a world class goal and got in a heated row in the tunnel

[mxavier1985]

if thats how he reacts when he cant be bothered id like to see him when he is, granted he didnt have the best 2nd half but he IS WORLD PLAYER OF THE YEAR and you cant take that from hm

[Cristiano07]

seein him last nite, didnt u think, wot if. wot if we had signed him

[mxavier1985]

yes wot if the weather in manchester was sunnier than barca

[Cristiano07]

lol. yes thats true. and as well as Dinho there was robben

[mxavier1985]

good player but arrogant thinks hes the best where ronnie knows hes the best.
all the players weve come so close to gettin but didnt; the list is endless so il just name shearer and cantona oh no we got him hehe

[Morientes19]

you got ronaldo and rooney. you lot dont moan when them 2 produce magic

[mxavier1985]

the roonaldo friendship/partnership is great they seem good mates and the are always first to congrat each ova after scoring

[Cristiano07]

u cant compare any1 to Dinho he is THE BEST IN THE WORLD. ronnie and rooney will b class in 2/3 seasons

[gollan]

C. Ronaldo (god it's driving me nuts when people call him simply "Ronaldo". It's blasphemy) and Rooney are 2 spoiled brats, with shitty character, who only know how to compliment themselves. They've got shitty attitude and must grow up. It appears that Fergie isn't such a very good, how to say it, educational figure. Maybe if they worked under Cappelo, they could lose their crap attitude. (I dare not say it, but I think mourinho (spits) could even do a better job at getting the shitty attitude out of those 2 gifted youngsters).

But right now they are still, 2 very talented, yet full of shit, players.

[Papa Lazarou]

Fuck Off

[Tenacious D]

seein him last nite, didnt u think, wot if. wot if we had signed him
More like what if we do sign him lol :D

[Gary G]

Fuck Off

Nice reply, you really shut Gollan up.

What he said was true, Rooney has got a shite attitude,
and definitely does need to grow up.

[forzamilan]

=-']Excuss me they have Ronaldinho(Worst player of the year) , Etoo(terrible worse then Heskey), Deco , Iniesta and so on their attack is so crap im sorry :)

alright... I've seen biased comments before but this is just utter stupidity.

"Ronaldinho(Worst player of the year)" ?? :eek:
"Etoo(terrible worse then Heskey)" ?? :eek:

this guy needs his brain examined... next he'll be saying Bush is the best president the U.S.has ever had

[Gary G]

He was taking the piss man.

[mxavier1985]

does any 1 reckon united are gonna buy any big names in the summer?; cos i think we need 2 after europe

[Alex"pes"hilty]

I think we obviously need a new keeper and 1 or 2 new signings to freshen things up.But didnt we spend all r budget on Rooooney...?

[mxavier1985]

they say that every year but we still find money from somewhere

[Alex"pes"hilty]

Saying were maybe the biggest club in the world we should have a lot and lot of money... :confused:

[TochaMan!]

I hope u find a goal keeper, some young players for your mid-field and a baby-sitter for C. Ronaldo and Rooney :p Seriously, Manchester CAN'T let these boys get over themselves. They are a good part of your future.

[AgentZero]

RINO Gattuso.......need i say more, i really hope does come to united, big fan of his performances with italy

[Hunter]

i hope we can somehow get Gerrard but i honestly dont see it happenning..
Heinze has possibly been our best-player so far this season..very consistant and never backs out..
i would love Jaap Stam back as well as he seems to be in his prime from what i have been seeing of the 'brick-wall'..

[Guillermo]

I'd like us to sign Rosicky as Dortmund are in all sorts of financial trouble so we could get him cheap. Maybe another quality bargain player from there as well.

[TochaMan!]

I'd like us to sign Rosicky as Dortmund are in all sorts of financial trouble so we could get him cheap. Maybe another quality bargain player from there as well.

Yeah, Rosicky is forgotten right now and I cant understand why... Class player. But i hope he goes to my Juve to replace the great Nedved ;)

[mxavier1985]

nedveds got a few more good years in him yet. if hes going he can come to us

[Soccer_rules]

i think pavel has decreased his level, but thats understanadable, he has suffered many injuries in last seassons and in euro he could barely show what his real skillz are, wich at their top, make him an implacable player

[mxavier1985]

good win 2day rooney on form, ruud still lacking sharpness, brown is impressing at rb, and scholes unofficial best player in the world... come on you reds!

[Guillermo]

Good work by all the lads today, except that dick of a fan who threw that flare on the pitch. What a nob.

[mxavier1985]

just as well his picture was shown to the world and the police will lock him up,no doubt all the a.b.u's will want us thrown out of the league now but you cant blame a club for 1 little c**t

[Guillermo]

Good job no-one was hurt. Funny, though. He thought he was good, having a laugh, when he was caught on camera for about 30secs. He's going down..

[bbjaylive]

They tolerate this in Serie A i think. And it weren't as bad as they guy who threw the missile at Carrol but it was still unnecessary.

[Alex"pes"hilty]

Imagine if that had hit a player or fan in the crowd. How did he get in the ground in the first place.? Either he had to much to drink or he was just a total nutter.No doubt we'll be hearing what terrible fans Manchester United have..

[codename 47]

BBC totally esposed that guy and was suprised when John Motson revealved that it came from the Man Utd supporters End :eek:
this sort of stuff happens alot around Europe especially in Italy but there're so used to it the players just put it out throw it off the pitch and carry on with the game

Good performance from Man utd though ;)
One morning newspaper claims that Roy keane is to quit man u this summer for celtic i'll try and find the quote from this story

[Hunter]

BBC totally esposed that guy and was suprised when John Motson revealved that it came from the Man Utd supporters End :eek:
this sort of stuff happens alot around Europe especially in Italy but there're so used to it the players just put it out throw it off the pitch and carry on with the game

Good performance from Man utd though ;)
One morning newspaper claims that Roy keane is to quit man u this summer for celtic i'll try and find the quote from this story

yeah you saw the guys face full-on because the flare lit it up ..how silly :rolleyes:
it is very rare for this too happen in the Premiership like...
i heard about Keane going to Celtic last season actually .. he said that he wanted to finish his career at Celtic but who knows..

[codename 47]

Yeah those rumours have been around for abit now but it said he may considering leaving Man utd earlier than he originally planned as it seems that champions league exit has hit him really hard

Manchester United captain Roy Keane is considering his future at Old Trafford.

The Sunday Express says the Republic of Ireland international is weighing up retiring a year earlier than planned following United's exit from the Champions League this week.

Keane has suggested he may hang up his boots once his current United contract expires in the summer of 2006. But its now reported he could sensationally quit this summer over the club's Champions League disappointment.

this short bit's from tribalfottball.com but the main story's from the sunday express newspaper so i'll try and find their website for the full story ;)

[NorthernLights]

Think we'll beat Newcastle in the cup? I say we should, shut that Shearer up, and its lookin like its gonna be United vs Arsenal in the final, one of us are gonna have a empty season

[Alex"pes"hilty]

I still believe we'll win, in the end it doesnt matter where we play the game,Newcastle havent beaten us since the 01/02 season.We are the better team with better players,but on a one off occasion you never know..

[AgentZero]

its newcastle we've beaten them so many times before and we will continue at that......i still believe we can win the FA keep our trophy run going

[chris248]

essien has said today on sky sports that he would love to play for man united particularly with sir alex. this was even comented about on manutd.com, so could it be possible essien is on his way. united and arsenal are also supposed to be in a two way battle to sign jermaine jenas from newcastle for £10million. i think both would be good business, but it will have to be 1 or the other. anybody with any opinions

[Phatmann]

essien has said today on sky sports that he would love to play for man united particularly with sir alex. this was even comented about on manutd.com, so could it be possible essien is on his way. united and arsenal are also supposed to be in a two way battle to sign jermaine jenas from newcastle for £10million. i think both would be good business, but it will have to be 1 or the other. anybody with any opinions
Jenas? I think he's quite a good player, but i wouldn't pay £10m for him and I don't really see him fitting into our team. Let Arsenal have him.

[Scarface]

Jenas? I think he's quite a good player, but i wouldn't pay £10m for him and I don't really see him fitting into our team. Let Arsenal have him.

I agree his a good player, but don't think his needed at Arsenal. We already have Vieira, Flamini, Fabregas, Gilberto Silva and Edu, so spending around £10m on him would be a waste of money.
Man U are more in need of a midfielder with Keane's future a doubt , but with all due respect to Jenas, they should set their sights on a superior midfielder, even as an Arsenal fan I must admit.

[Phatmann]

I agree his a good player, but don't think his needed at Arsenal. We already have Vieira, Flamini, Fabregas, Gilberto Silva and Edu, so spending around £10m on him would be a waste of money.
Man U are more in need of a midfielder with Keane's future a doubt , but with all due respect to Jenas, they should set their sights on a superior midfielder, even as an Arsenal fan I must admit.
Yeah, I reckon Jenas would end up being another Djemba-Djemba or Kleberson who really are nowhere near Roy Keane or Scholes. I would love to see someone like Gattuso at Man U, as I believe he's one of the only players who would be able to adequately replace Keane. However, Gattuso isn't that young and by the time Keane leaves he may not have as much time left, so maybe we should go for a younger midfielder (which I don't really know of any which look too good, which are in our price range).

[Jonny2J]

Yeah, I reckon Jenas would end up being another Djemba-Djemba or Kleberson who really are nowhere near Roy Keane or Scholes. I would love to see someone like Gattuso at Man U, as I believe he's one of the only players who would be able to adequately replace Keane. However, Gattuso isn't that young and by the time Keane leaves he may not have as much time left, so maybe we should go for a younger midfielder (which I don't really know of any which look too good, which are in our price range).no disrespect mate but to say Jenas would end up like Djemba Djemba or Kleberson is just laughable

[Phatmann]

no disrespect mate but to say Jenas would end up like Djemba Djemba or Kleberson is just laughable
I don't mean in ability but jenas would be on the fringe of the first team all the time- like liam miller is at the moment. Miller is meant to be a really good player but hasn't really had enough chances. Maybe I should have compared him with miller instead.

[razor]

lets not sign jenas and sign a orld class player in midfield which we are seriously lacking. we were supposed to buy ronnie but ended up with no-one. i know everyone seems to hate eckham and think he is overrated but its no coincidence that we lack creativity and we have awful set pieces. we pass every corner rather than whip it in. our free kicks always hit the wall. we really need a midfielder who will create at least 10 goals a season. we also need a keeper. cudicini would be perfect but he might be a little rusty.

we need to spend less on players who arent good enough for manchester united (djemba, miller etc. and smith , yes smith. argue all you like but he isnt good enough, nowhere near good enough.)

[Phatmann]

That's one thing that I've found in the past 2 seasons- I don't feel confident when we get a free kick. When we had Beckham, i could actually see him scoring, but nowadays, whenever Cristiano Ronaldo gets the ball, I just get annoyed 'cos I know he won't do anything with it.
I think you are being a bit harsh on Smith, cos he is a very good player and saved us a few times at the beginning of the season. If it wasn't for him we could be battling for 3rd place with Everton, or worse. I will admit, however, that he hasn't been as prolific as it looked like he could be at the start of the season, and doesn't seem to be particularly creative, but he's a good player to have in your team, as he works hard throughout the game (much like Heinze) and will put in a lot of effort for the club.

[skullverine]

Scholes. I would love to see someone like Gattuso at Man U, as I believe he's one of the only players who would be able to adequately replace Keane. However, Gattuso isn't that young and by the time Keane leaves he may not have as much time left, so maybe we should go for a younger midfielder (which I don't really know of any which look too good, which are in our price range).
well, I watched the Red Hot News before the day we were defeated by Milan.. I remember Gattuso said he wanted to play for United.. it is his dream club

[AgentZero]

we should go for De Rossi....Roma need the money we need the player its 50-50...but how much do you reckon fergie should dish out on him surely nothing over 20m........

[7RONALDO7]

What about Essien, for Lyon, he said that it will be an hounor to join United, that would be a great buy.

Also, Van Der Vaart is to leave Ajax at the end of the season. He would be great to replace Giggs.

United are also after Espanyol's goalkeeper Carlos Kameni.

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/premiership/manu/news/story_get.dor?STORY_NAME=socce r/05/03/16/SOCCER_Man_Utd_Essien.html&TEAMHD=manu&DIV=prem&TEAM=MANCHESTER--UNITED&RH=Manchester--United&PREV_SEASON=2003

[Guillermo]

There are a few possible replacements for Keane. Maniche, Essien, Emre are all good choices. So is Mascherano. I don't even think United will bid for Van Der Vaart as he does not play in the positions we vitally require right now. A keeper and defensive midfielder, maybe an offensive mid as well (e.g. Rosicky, who's scored today) should hopefully to Fergie's top priorities in the transfer window.

[Phatmann]

There are a few possible replacements for Keane. Maniche, Essien, Emre are all good choices. So is Mascherano. I don't even think United will bid for Van Der Vaart as he does not play in the positions we vitally require right now. A keeper and defensive midfielder, maybe an offensive mid as well (e.g. Rosicky, who's scored today) should hopefully to Fergie's top priorities in the transfer window.

We could still do with a left winger though since Giggs is always troubled by injuries and we don't really have anyone who can naturally cover him. Richardson isn't good enough, and the only young left winger we have at the moment is Lee Martin- who does look quite good, but probably not as good as van der vaart.

Emre would be a great replacement for Keane but possibly Essien would be the better as he is younger (isn't he?) and I don't expect Keane to go for another season or 2.

[Guillermo]

How long will it be before Dong Fang Zhou (I think that's his name) will be allowed to play for us? He's playing in Belgium for 2 years before, then after he plays so many games for the China National Team, he can play for us. I never heard much about his capabilities and what his position is. Can he play as a winger?

[7RONALDO7]

not sure, i know he plays for Antwerp(sp)

I think that Sir Alez should give Rossi a chance in the first team, as he is outstanding for the reserves! It would be great for his experiance and hopfully become a world class player.

Great game today, Ronaldo played great

[Phatmann]

The problem with Rossi is that he's 6th choice striker, and our other strikers aren't very old, so have quite a few years left in them.

[7RONALDO7]

i know and thats great that we have that flexabliity to chose from 4 great, young strikers, altough i think that alex should play him in like the final 20mins of a match that we are crusing in, like agaisnt southampton

[Guillermo]

Is there any way that Rossi could play in a Scholes position. Because watching the reserves he doesn't stay focused to up-front he wonders around like Rooney. Maybe if he was used as an offensive midfielder, he could be affective.

[7RONALDO7]

I think he is a midfielder anyway, im not sure though.
I have heard that the reason he has not had a chance yet, is that the reserves manager has told sir alex that he isn't a team player as of yet, he only helps himself.
If this is the case, i feel a bit sorry for rossi, as he has the potentional to become a world class player.

[soliloquay]

he can play as an offensive midfielder and an attacker. recently i've seen a vid of him playing and it's just magic. his speed, agility, dribbling speed and technique are awesome

[7RONALDO7]

I personally dont think that he's not a team player, its what the reserve's manager has said, not me, i would love to see him play in the first team.
Also, Rossi is 17.

[Hunter]

i cant see Rossi playing for our first team until a few more years down the road..
but who knows..

[Alex"pes"hilty]

There is definately a lot of hype around him lets just hope that he lives up to the expectations..

[chris248]

rossi has been in fantastic for the reserves this season, united have a large selection of strikers at the moment, with 5 having played up front this season. so rossi is goin 2 struggle 2 break into the squad. out of the five though bellion is no where near good enough & i have a feeling saha will be sold in the summer, afta all the injuty problems hes had. there is also talk that alan smith is becoming unsettled with the number of starts hes had this season. keeping rooney, van nistelrooy, saha & smith all happy i thought at the time would prove to be hard and is proving 2 b the way.

who do people think is uniteds strongest strike partnership?
i would have to say rooney & ruud are the best partnership and with more games together they will have the sort of teamwork yorke & cole had in the treble winning season

[Guillermo]

In 1999 we had Sheringham, Solskjaer, Yorke and Cole.
Now it's Saha, Smith, Rooney and Van Nistelrooy.

We should surely be scoring as many as Chelsea these days, they score just for fun but United are struggling.

[Guillermo]

A good signing would be Rosicky. Tottenham and Porto are supposed to interested in him, but I think he'd do well in a United shirt. Then there's Downing, who hasn't been talked about much in the last few months. And possibly Essien. With those 3 and a keeper we would be able to compete with the Chelski.

[Jonny2J]

rumours too Fergie flying to the US to try and entice Freddy Adu.... bullshit i reckon

[Jonny2J]

Agreed. Rosicky would be a good signing. Especially as Dortmund are in financial trouble. We could probably get him on the cheap. I think they'd accept an offer of £5 Million for him.

I'm not really sure about Downing though. I don't think we should go for him just yet. He may be a 1 season wonder. We should wait for him to complete his second season in a boro shirt. Then I think we can honestly assess his potential.

I'm pretty sure that the Essien deal will go through in the summer. Essien has publically stated his desire to play for us. But I don't think he's leaving on the cheap. He's probably gonna leave for at least £12 million and I believe that a striker will be offloaded in a part-exchange deal. Most likely; Saha will go in the other direction. But, theres plenty of alternatives to Essien such as Mascherano, De Rossi etc.

There doesn't seem to be any quality left-sided midfielders around or quality Goalkeepers that we could buy on the cheap.Mascherano has just gone to Corinthians so will cost a bomb

[Hunter]

I agree.

I doubt that Freddy Adu even knows who Sir Alex Ferguson is.

I'm not even sure what all this is about. He's an American for gods sake! American footballers never turn out to be world-class players such as Ronaldinho and the like.

i somehow think he will know who Sir Alex Ferguson is. :rolleyes:
no-one said he would be Ronaldinho. just a great player hopefully..
and if you think about it he wont cost that much either. £10 Million maximum. Freddy Adu also said about 6 months ago that his dream clubs were United and Real..think about it

[AgentZero]

We could still do with a left winger though since Giggs is always troubled by injuries and we don't really have anyone who can naturally cover him. Richardson isn't good enough, and the only young left winger we have at the moment is Lee Martin- who does look quite good, but probably not as good as van der vaart.

Emre would be a great replacement for Keane but possibly Essien would be the better as he is younger (isn't he?) and I don't expect Keane to go for another season or 2.

whoa man you forgot about Quinton Fortune....i think he isn't bad hes probably on par with becks in the technical stuff

[Gary G]

I agree.

I doubt that Freddy Adu even knows who Sir Alex Ferguson is.

I'm not even sure what all this is about. He's an American for gods sake! American footballers never turn out to be world-class players such as Ronaldinho and the like.

He was actually born in Ghana, he came to the USA after his family won an immigrant visa via the Green Card lottery.

There's been too much pressure on Adu, it must be difficult to cope. It will be the same for that Jean Carlos kid everyone is banging on about, he's only 9 for christs sake, but people are calling him the next Pele already.

I don't think Downing will be a one-season wonder, I think it's only a matter of time before he joins you lot, although he will have a huge weight on his shoulders as he will be Giggs' replacement.

[AgentZero]

wait a minute here wasnt SAF the first person to exploit adu to the footballing community outside of the states...he did try and give Adu a scholarship in a footballing school when he was still 13 but fred rejected it.....

[Hunter]

£10 Million for a overhyped young American "soccer" player? Thats way too steep.

I say, let Madrid take him. They can add him to their list of overrated superstars.

Madrid are terrible now.

every youngster nowadays is way overhyped but its part and parcel with football..and if he really is that good he will live up to it.
we paid £29.8 Million for Mr.Rooney and although he has worked wonders he wasnt worth that much when we bought him. but if you think about it he will be worth double that somewhere down the road.

[Phatmann]

whoa man you forgot about Quinton Fortune....i think he isn't bad hes probably on par with becks in the technical stuff
Yes, Quinton has had a great season but I'm not sure that he's a natural left winger. He's good in centre mid 'cos he's very strong and good at tackling, so he's also good as left back (the position which he started out as for man u), but I'm not too sure that he's really someone who could challenge Giggs for that position as a player like Van Der Vaart could.

[Stella Artois]

I can't believe you spent effectively two seasons worth of money for transfers on a single player in Rooney. Absolutely crazy.

Having listened to a David Gill (I believe) interview on Sky Sports this morning, you will struggle to even raise the necessary funds for a goalkeeper! :o

[Morientes19]

I can't believe you spent effectively two seasons worth of money for transfers on a single player in Rooney. Absolutely crazy.

Having listened to a David Gill (I believe) interview on Sky Sports this morning, you will struggle to even raise the necessary funds for a goalkeeper! :o


dont you think rooney was worth it?

[Stella Artois]

In the context of the situation United now find themselves in, i.e. not having a decent goalkeeper, having a midfield whose age is slowly increasing etc... I would say he was not worth it.

[Hunter]

I would have to agree with you.

The Rooney transfer really hasn't paid off. We paid too much money for him expecting him to work miracles for us. But it was never going to happen.

It looks as though to me, we will be selling at least one striker and a midfielder in the summer just to conjure up enough money to buy a new goalkeeper. I would get rid of Kleberson and Saha. But, if we want to buy a replacement for Keane, then we'll have to sell Van Nistelrooy aswell.

Its either that or let Glazer takeover the club.

Glazur takeover :eek:
are you mad..he has nothing to bring to the club whatso-ever
if he took over we would be more likely to do a Leeds than a Chelsea.

[Cristiano07]

Glazur takeover :eek:
are you mad..he has nothing to bring to the club whatso-ever
if he took over we would be more likely to do a Leeds than a Chelsea.

u r so right, we dont want nothin 2 do with that prick, cant he take a hint

[Hunter]

apparently Glazur has offered at the most £20Million for spending if he takes over with money he does not have.
there is no way at all he could support Manchester United Football Club with no-money.
he just doesnt seem to go away does he.

[Alex"pes"hilty]

No supposedly he never gives up,and always gets what he wants, lets just pray the git doesnt buy us.Anyone seen our profits they have dropped about 50%.? :eek:

[Hunter]

He's offering us a £25 million transfer kitty this summer. With the financial situation as it is right now, we have nothing to spend this summer.

I believe that this summers transfer activity/non-activity will be absolutely detrimental to the future of the club. Chelsea and Arsenal will both be spending big this summer and they will get better next season. We have holes in the midfield and goalkeepers position that need plugging. But we can't buy replacements without money.

Can you now see that this is how the board will see it? If we don't spend money this summer, then we won't be winning the Premiership for the next 2 or 3 years at least. By then, we could well be into a "Liverpool-style" decline.

I hate to say it but I can see the Glazer takeover happening soon.

EDIT: Check the bottom of the previous page in this thread Alex"pes"hilty. I posted some links there.

i have to disagree with you there mate.
i cant honestly see Glazur taking over our club.
we pushed Murdock away and now we shall do the same with Glazur.
it isnt all about buying 'individuals' it is about team-work. look at Chelsea, last season they had the new 'superstars' and did they win the league.no. but now that the team has gelled better they are just unstoppable..its all about teamwork and i think Howard is good enough for now to be honest.he has had some good last few games with his confidence building a lot..his catches are very clean now and he has great agility.

[Darth Daft]

Do you honestly believe that the board won't see Glazer's approach as an attractive proposition, especially now?



Source: Daily Express

It looks likely to me.

And Howard has been iffy for a long time now. His positioning has really suffered since he made the mistake against porto in the Champions League last season and generally, his confidence is rock bottom.

And I don't agree about the teamwork theory at Chelsea. Its not teamwork - its hunger and desire to win. Thats the biggest difference between us and Chelsea. They haven't won anything yet and they want to dominate the Premiership. Our players have been there, done it and got the t-shirt. Where is the motivation coming from? Exactly. There is no motivation. Thats why we need new faces to galvanize the more experienced faces at united.

Thats all thats needed at united. We need new faces and some fresh tactical ideas. Its not going to happen without money.

stoneman = post '99 gloryhunting prick. Sell to glazer? how bouts you just pi$$ off and support chelsea now rather than in 3 months time you know nothing doom merchant, all you ever bang on about is how youre worried about united doing this, think they should be doing that, but your latest offering of "looks like uncertain times ahead" really? no shit sherlock, you mean youve lost the crystal ball? no-one can tell what will happen next season but this season our form has been second only to Chelsea's, which has been quite brilliant.

Get that Thicko? United = Fantastic form this season, Chelsea = Amazing form this season. Quite why you feel the need to proclaim doom and gloom for United every time you post on here i dont know.

David Gill said today that United WILL, have money to replace Carrol if he doesnt sign, and any other purchases will have to be made on the back of players sold. Who the hell needs to be bought?

need new faces? like Djemba x2, Miller, Smith, Rooney, Heinze and Kleberson? how many more new faces do you think a club can buy in one season, I dont see their new faces exactly galvanizing the established players, so again, Stonemans talking crap.

Dont even get me started on you thinking selling to Glazer might not be a bad idea after all, im not entirely convinced your not just the biggest wind up this forum has ever seen.

LEARN SOMETHING YOU PLASTIC RED
Not for $ale (www.MUFCnotforsale.com )

Better not go on here though, its for proper reds, not bibbles like yourself.
Red Issue (http://217.151.110.45/ri_forum/)

Christ, i bet you even get the hump when someone stands up and sings in front of you at Old Trafford :o

[LiamK]

Bit harsh, all fans have their own opinions. Some are naturally pessimistic and piss the half-full brigade right off, but doesn't mean you can judge their support.

Re: Rooney. The £30m was an investment for the next 10-15 years, of course he's not going to look like £30m well-spent within 9 months of the purchase. But looking back in 10 years time at the 220 or so goals he's scored for United, you'll probably change your tune!

[Darth Daft]

Darth, I've supported united since I was 4. I'm now 20 years old. I used to live in Manchester til I was 6 then my family decided to move to Birmingham. I have been to Old Trafford twice. Once in 1990 as a 5 year old (which I can't remember much of because I was too young) and then again in 1996/97 to watch a Premiership game (I think it was against Sunderland when Cantona scored that wondergoal). I haven't been since. Right, thats out in the open.

youve been to Old Trafford twice but you must have had your eyes closed because you seem to know nothing of the workings of the club you claim to support. This is glaringly obvious to any real manchester united supporter because you refuse to acknowledge that any sale to glazer would be a potential death knell to Manchester United.

MYTH: A takeover would be good for the club. It would bring in much needed cash and give us a boost in the transfer market.

FACT: No doubt as an initial PR exercise someone looking to takeover the club (maybe Malcolm Glazer?) would put some money up (money borrowed against our club!) for new players to buy off the most gullible fans. Ask yourself whether you are THAT gullible to fall for this ploy.

Because after he made his token gesture he'd obviously be looking to maximise his return on investment. How could a private owner make more money for themselves while also creating a bigger transfer fund? Where would the extra money come from? There is only one source - the same one as it has always been. One way or another, whether it be ticket prices, TV subscriptions, or merchandise) the supporters will pay. Do you think the PLC is not screwing as much as they can out of fans already? Is there a margin left to squeeze fans more? Glazer appears to think so.

In the end all United's profits come from one source - us - the supporters. So ask yourself: how in the world does it make sense to have a middleman like Malcolm Glazer creaming off the profits before the residue goes into the Football Club?

The current big shareholders (Malcolm Glazer, John Magnier, JP McManus) have made no secret of the fact that they want to keep a tight reign on transfers. They have made this clear to the board. We also know with certainty that they have also been pushing the board to maximise ticket revenue (i.e. push the prices up just to the point where sales start to fall). We have also been told that the big shareholders also asked for increased dividends and special dividends taking yet more money out of the club.

If Glazer or any other investor-shareholder took the club private they would be able to take as much money as they liked (and they do like it) out of the club. This would most likely happen after a splurge on transfers for a season or two to buy off the really gullible fans. Don’t forget that money would be “our” money anyway because it would be borrowed against future earnings of Manchester United.

So let’s see: Manchester United gets taken over by men who have already demonstrated utter contempt for supporters who are only interested screwing as much out of fans on ticket prices, merchandise, and dividends as they can. DOES THIS SOUND LIKE A GOOD THING TO YOU?

After that they could screw us all and there would be nothing we could do about it. What choice would you have left? Pay up or go and support City?

The only shareholders who were against the increased dividend were the supporter-shareholders like Shareholders United. SU voted against the increased dividend on the basis of keeping the money in the club for spending on players and keeping ticket prices at reasonable levels. Glazer, Magnier etc all voted in favour of an increased dividend. If they are happy to take more money out of the club (and they have never put a penny in) when its public knowledge imagine how much they'd be secretly siphoning out if they took the club private and no longer had to publish public accounts or hold AGMs where people could call them to account?

So why add in a middle man who screws the supporters even more and then creams off his profit before the residue goes into transfer funds etc? It makes more sense to cut out the middle man and for supporters to own the club (or a sizeable portion) themselves. That way a professional board could run the club as an efficient business and keep all the profit (if that's what the supporter-shareholders wanted) in the club to spend on players/stadium/reduced ticket prices.

The bottom line is this: a takeover will not put a single penny of NEW money into Manchester United. They are just buying shares off other shareholders. The only thing that will result is the new owner taking increased profits from YOUR wallet.

If we do need an injection of cash why don't we could simply suspend the dividend - the millions that Glazer etc have insisted on taking out of the club every season? Excess profits are already being generated its just that the cash is flowing out in dividends. And if we do need more money we could easily raise this without selling the soul of the club. A new issue of shares for supporters would bring NEW money into the club and would give supporters greater ownership in return. That is far better than being screwed with increased ticket prices which simply serve to make someone else richer and give us nothing back in return.


Get this, dumbass!

Manchester United = Biggest & best club in the world = success on and off the pitch.

that doesnt make any sense

The truth is we've been in good form this season in the Premiership. But the fact is we're second best to an excellent Chelsea side. We shouldn't be settling for second best. We should be constantly aiming for the top. I'm sure that other united fans feel exactly the same way.

yes but unlike you i dont start getting down when we dont win everything all the time.



What I'm saying is. we need to be more selective on the players we bring to the club. Not just anyone. Half of the players you listed are average or unproven. What we should be doing is to buy 1 top class player every summer rather than buy 3 or 4 unproven players every summer. If you can't get that then you are truly more screwed up then I thought..

yep them ones we bought last season that turned out not much cop? well the great thing is you either give them more than one season as any sensible manager would or you sell them allowing you to buy others with the proceeds, or introduce players from the youth team. OH my god we're so in crisis :rolleyes:

Oh and the last time you had at a go at me for telling the tuth was when I said Fergie may not last longer than next season. Well guess what? I was right. David Gill admitted today that Fergie is not unsackable. This is exactly what he said

Read the article. You might actually learn something about business (for once).

Manchester United chief executive David Gill has clarified his comments which suggested manager Sir Alex Ferguson is 'sackable'.
Gill had intimated in an interview that the long-serving Scot is not immune from the axe in light of the pressures which come with managing one of football's biggest clubs.
The Red Devils are set to finish a second successive season without the Premiership title and they have also failed to make a significant impact in the UEFA Champions League during the past two campaigns.
But Gill insists this does not mean Ferguson's position is under threat or that there has been talk of the veteran boss being relieved of his duties.
Ferguson starts a new 12-month rolling contract in the summer and Gill is keen to stress that a change at the Old Trafford helm is not on the agenda.
"I was trying to state the obvious but the comments have been portrayed in the wrong way," said Gill.
"There is nothing in our plans about changing the manager. The issue has not even been discussed.
"Who is to say what will happen in three, five or ten years' time but for now we have great plans to work together in the future to ensure the club remains strong as it goes forward.
"Sir Alex will move onto a rolling contract in the summer and he is very comfortable with that.
"He has been enormously successful with Manchester United. His track record is first class and replacing him has never even crossed our minds.
"I just reiterate, this whole issue of Sir Alex's position has never been discussed."


"I was trying to state the obvious but the comments have been portrayed in the wrong way," said Gill.

http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=264648&CPID=8&CLID=&lid=2&title=Gill+puts+boss+story+str aight&channel=Football_Home

oh do keep up if you're going to try and tell me about Man United. You werent right, Ferguson , is still very much in charge and i quote david gill "Who is to say what will happen in three, five or ten years' time", hardly endorsing your view the Sir Alex Ferguson will be out after next season.

Look, i am loathe to have a go at a fellow supporter, but if you want to know whats going on with man u rather than discussing it soley on here than go on redissue where you learn whats really going on before you read it in some rag.

Like Rooney allegedly smacking some bellend on Monday night ;)

[Stella Artois]

Bit harsh, all fans have their own opinions. Some are naturally pessimistic and piss the half-full brigade right off, but doesn't mean you can judge their support.

Re: Rooney. The £30m was an investment for the next 10-15 years, of course he's not going to look like £30m well-spent within 9 months of the purchase. But looking back in 10 years time at the 220 or so goals he's scored for United, you'll probably change your tune!

It's irrelevant as to whether he will be worth it in 10 years time. In the here and now United need a new goalkeeper and another central midfielder at least. They are trying to find the funds available for a new goalkeeper but they will need to sell in order to buy. To me that is the sign of bad business, they've over spent and will now have to struggle for another season or so without being able to readily replace players.

[Stella Artois]

Darth Daft, you're a twat.

I cannot be bothered to waste my time explaining why I think that, you just are. I am surprised you don't think you know everything, or no wait, perhaps you do.

[Morientes19]

Who will replace carroll?
Will fergie be after a no.1 or no.2 keeper?
Maybe Frey.

[Darth Daft]

Darth Daft, you're a twat.

I cannot be bothered to waste my time explaining why I think that, you just are. I am surprised you don't think you know everything, or no wait, perhaps you do.

thanks for that piece of gibberish.

i dont know everything no, no-one does, the trick is, when you dont know about something, dont pretend you do and post a load of old pony, like
you do

They are trying to find the funds available for a new goalkeeper but they will need to sell in order to buy

while david gill actually said

"Obviously we would have to sign a goalkeeper if Roy Carroll doesn't re-sign," Gill told BBC Radio Four.

"If we've got a vacancy in that department, we would have to make money available for that"


he then went on to say how if anyone else was needed (apart from a replacement for carroll) then sales would need to be made.

So there, in a nutshell is why i think youre a twat. because you cant understand the subtleties of english. I might not know everything, but i know what im talking about when i take the time to post it on a forum, if everyone took the same precaution, you wouldnt all end up filling each others heads with a load of old bollocks that you just read in the Sun.

Look, Darth. I just cannot be arsed to argue with someone who wants to have a go at me regardless of what I have to say. This is the last I have to say on this matter.

whos arguing? you tried to talk about something you clearly dont know much about, i took the trouble to try and show you where to go to find out the facts. If you dont want to do that and instead cling to your mistaken beliefs, its no skin off my arse. Just expect me to pop up and correct you every time you rattle off a load of old twaddle about Glazer. Free of charge. :)

[Papa Lazarou]

Some Simple Facts
1) We Wont sell to Glazer cause we dont need too
2) Fergie wont get sacked
3) We WONT sell Van Nistelrooy
4) Rooney was a great investment
5) We DONT need any more players (except goalie)
6) We will win the premiership next season


Thanks for reading

[Hunter]

Some Simple Facts
1) We Wont sell to Glazer cause we dont need too
2) Fergie wont get sacked
3) We WONT sell Van Nistelrooy
4) Rooney was a great investment
5) We DONT need any more players (except goalie)
6) We will win the premiership next season


Thanks for reading

1. Hard to say because he is just buying shares from everyone.
2. Agreed.
3. Agreed.
4. Agreed.
5. Sort of agreed. Could do with another midfielder.
6. Agreed.

[Stella Artois]

You agree with number 6? Haha.

1) Your team is ageing and you've no decent youngsters coming through in comparison to Arsenal.

2) You can't buy your way out of trouble anymore, due to wasting £30 million on Rooney.

3) You will finish 3rd this season.

It must suck to be a United fan right now. :(

[Guillermo]

What? 3rd this season? You must be having a laugh, oh wait you're an Arsenal, no more laughs for you then this year.

[Stella Artois]

What have you won this year? Nothing yet like us, so go stick your cocky mouth back onto your Dad's cock.

Oh, and att least make sure what you are writing makes sense. Thanks.

[Singh]

Arsenal,reyes,cole,Lehman,berg kamp,cygan all seem to be heading towards the exit doors of highbury.A Player has been moaning about arsenal not buying any players,moaning about the weather it seems vieria is set on a move to real madrid. Arsenal have a poor defensive record out of man utd and chelsea and they most probably will end up third this season.Rooney was a great investment, for the future.

[Guillermo]

What have you won this year? Nothing yet like us, so go stick your cocky mouth back onto your Dad's cock.

Oh, and att least make sure what you are writing makes sense. Thanks.

What now? I make all my sentences sound correct and they are grammatically correct, so I don't see a problem. But I'm not going to start an argument as we are both Tarantino film fans.;)

[Stella Artois]

You're allowed to leave spaces after comma's and full stops you know.

Lehman and Cygan are shite, so why would I care if they left? If Reyes leaves we will easily get back the figure we paid for him and Bergkamp will sign for another year I am sure. As for Cole, I would be surprised to see him leave, but Clichy is a ready made replacment.

Looks rosy to me. :)

Please also feel free to remove the "s" on "players" as it has only been one person who has complained about the weather - supposedly - and one who - supposedly - complained about our lack of signings.

Rooney cost £10 million too much. :)

[Stella Artois]

What now? I make all my sentences sound correct and they are grammatically correct, so I don't see a problem. But I'm not going to start an argument as we are both Tarantino film fans.;)

Good reason not to argue. ;)

But this doesn't make sense.

What? 3rd this season? You must be having a laugh, oh wait you're an Arsenal, no more laughs for you then this year.

[Guillermo]

You're allowed to leave spaces after comma's and full stops you know.


Well if you look you can see there are gaps. What's your problem, you used to be alright?

[cracky]

Who the fuck cares if someones post isn't fully grammaticly correct, you can understand them fine. Stop acting like a twat.

[Singh]

Was wrong with some people all they care about is spaces after comma's and full stops, hell i didnt want spaces is that Ok?.

[Stella Artois]

I was merely pointing something out fella's, no need to jump down my throat over it. I didn't insult him about it, did I?

Cracky, when did I say I cared if his post was grammatically incorrect? I didn't, partly because my grammar isn't perfect. Thanks for making incorrect assumptions though.

[cracky]

I was merely pointing something out fella's, no need to jump down my throat over it. I didn't insult him about it, did I?

Cracky, when did I say I cared if his post was grammatically incorrect? I didn't, partly because my grammar isn't perfect. Thanks for making incorrect assumptions though.


Dont talk utter rubbish to try get out of this. You're always nit-picking, and saying someones post isn't quite right, when it doesn't really matter. Even if it is annoying, why not keep it to yourself, or present it in a less aggressive manner and stop acting like everyones below you. Before you say you've never said that, every post implys it.

[Stella Artois]

I've never said it matters if someone's post is slightly wrong grammatically. I dislike it if people type in txt-spk as it is lazy and shows a disregard for other forum readers who don't have the time to try and decipher what they are trying to say.

I will reiterate that my grammar isn't even close to being perfect so I couldn't base my opinions of someone soley on their posts, could I?

I don't act as if I am better than anyone, that is something you're assuming based on the content of my posts. I cannot help if I come across like that and I certainly won't change my posting style to suit the needs of others.

[fluke88]

Dont talk utter rubbish to try get out of this. You're always nit-picking, and saying someones post isn't quite right, when it doesn't really matter. Even if it is annoying, why not keep it to yourself, or present it in a less aggressive manner and stop acting like everyones below you. Before you say you've never said that, every post implys it.


Well said cracky, yes stella your allways having a dig at me and my posts. Your now getting a bit of a shit reputation of being a bit of a wanker because of what you say to people. I can't see why you can't just get on with people and stop being over criticle of people and there posts. I have tryed to get on with you but you just don't want to get on with me and i don't no why. But it's up to you anyway if you want to critise me, am not botherd mate.

[Guillermo]

I've never said it matters if someone's post is slightly wrong grammatically. I dislike it if people type in txt-spk as it is lazy and shows a disregard for other forum readers who don't have the time to try and decipher what they are trying to say.


Then why did you direct stuff at me? I agree, I hate text-language, but when have I ever wrote like that or not used spaces?

[Singh]

Ok ok, enough is enough. firstly have you seen other forums across the net its like txt speaking is acceptable. Stella your worse then my english teacher i had back in year 11, was your obession with peoples spelling. Ok i did not use spaces was the big deal? your always having a go at people take it easy seriously its not good for you.

[Stella Artois]

I wouldn't be so sure of that if I were you.

I honestly think that you'll be lucky to get £10 million for him. Firstly, its because Reyes has already publically declared his desire to play for Real Madrid. Not once but at least twice. Then, theres the well-known fact that he can't seem to settle in this country. Thus drastically reducing Arsenal's bargaining power in any negotiation for his price. This will lead to Real Madrid deliberately trying to offer £5 million lower than the price Arsenal expects.

We are in a situation where Real Madrid - from what I have heard - want the player and Reyes seemingly wishes to go to them. It is about agreeing a price and if the amount offered is not satisfactory then we could easily pull out of the deal. We have nailed Reyes on a long term contract so there is no worry of him seeing the contract out.

He has three options:

1) Leave and join Real Madrid at a price that suits us.

2) Stay and have to adjust as we cannot agree to a suitable deal.

3) Decide that he wants to make a success of his chance at Arsenal.

Don't forget Real Madrid are not the team they were 2-3 years ago, they need Reyes as much as he seemingly needs them in order to be happy.

Yeah, he did cost £10 million too much but, seeing as we haven't won a trophy yet this season; Everton will only get £20 million for him. We've already paid £10 million for him last summer and another £10 million is guaranteed to be paid by the summer. Even if we win the FA Cup this year, they'll only get an extra 500k on top of the guaranteed £20 million. So he hasn't cost £27-30 million like people are saying (yet). It all depends on what we win.

I remember Arsenal had a similiar thing going on with Reyes when they signed him in January 2004. Whats going happen to his future fees if he goes to Real Madrid in the summer? I'm only asking because you're an Arsenal fan.

The Reyes deal is very much based on the success he has personally for us and what we as a club have in terms of trophies, etc.

As it stands I imagine a small fee was paid as we won the league last year, but nothing else will be paid unless we gain some silverware.

I think Rooney will be a good signing, but as we've agreed in another thread, United need strengthening in other positions so £30 million at this this very moment in time is a gigantic sum of money.

At others:

I'm a twat, deal with it.

[Alex"pes"hilty]

i Agree Papa.Dont know about Glazer, all we can do is hope, oh and demonstrate.

[marcrulz]

You agree with number 6? Haha.

1) Your team is ageing and you've no decent youngsters coming through in comparison to Arsenal.

2) You can't buy your way out of trouble anymore, due to wasting £30 million on Rooney.

3) You will finish 3rd this season.

It must suck to be a United fan right now. :(
3rd what the fuck, I don't think so. we didn't waste on rooney he is world class. Also rossi pique the new 16 yr old gk, the pending transfer of adu rooney and ronaldo, are all good young players.

[Alex"pes"hilty]

Rooney waste of money. I dont reckon 30 mil is a lot of money but he's only young and he'll probaly be here for most of his carear banging in 20 a season at least.

[Guillermo]

Erm....we don't have Adu.

[Stella Artois]

As I've said he is on a long-term contract and it would affect him, much more than Arsenal football club.

It will achieve little by letting him rot in the reserves, but we don't need to sell him, so if he chooses not to play for us that is his loss, especially if we cannot agree the fee with Real Madrid.

[marcrulz]

Erm....we don't have Adu.

read it again mate, I said pending transfer.

[marcrulz]

I'm starting to think that maybe it won't be such a bad idea if we don't spend lots of money on new players this summer.

We'll be forced to blood the youngsters from the reserves such as Rossi, Pique, Bardsley, Spector, Ngalula, Neumayr and Ebanks-Blake as a result. Which won't be such a bad thing. At least they'll gain valuable first team action.

But, I still think we can sell some players such as Saha and Kleberson. Possibly Bellion aswell.

By the way, I think buying Adu will be a big mistake. We should wait at least until he reaches 17-19 years old before assessing his potential and then making a move for him (if he's good enough).

I agree with the main part of that mate, but when adu gets to 17-19 he could be playin for a big club and could cost us 20 mil+ if we get him for nearly free now what is the harm if he fails.

[Alex"pes"hilty]

Someone may snap him up wen hes 15 now or next year when hes 16, we dont want that.

[marcrulz]

The price I keep on hearing for Adu is £10 million. Is it just me or is that a bit steep for a 15 year old?

Besides, we can't afford to throw our money around anymore. Profits are down and we need to re-think our overspending habits.

Sure, if Adu would come to united on a free, then I'm all for it. But, as soon as theres a fee involved with his name then I'm not so sure.

mate a 15yr old cannot sign a pro contract therefore he would be free tho we'd have to pay compensation. Anyway he'll make us loads in image rights and selling merchandise!

[Hunter]

Someone may snap him up wen hes 15 now or next year when hes 16, we dont want that.

Exactly, we all know how much the Ronaldinho situation punished the club deeply. We could have got hm for about £19 Million but we weren't willing to go higher than £14 Million. Now he is worth about £40 Million.
We dont want this to happen all again do we.

[LiamK]

Cristiano Ronaldo with a cracking assist:

http://www.cristiano-ronaldo.com/galerias/outdoors/cr_mum01.jpg

:)

[Hunter]

So what you're saying is, you think Freddy Adu will turn out to be as good as Ronaldinho?

I think thats unlikely. So you can't really compare missing out on Ronaldinho with possibly missing out on Adu.

Tell me wherabouts i said he is better than Ronaldinho in that text.
I didn't. Fool.
I am just saying with money taking over football it is likely that Adu will be worth so much in the future as long as he doesnt get badly injured. Think about something properly before you post mate.
Anyway look at Ronaldinho he was nothing he was just a bit of rubbish on the side-walk until he scored that goal against England. That single free-kick gave his career the exposure and the boost he needed. It could be the same with Freddy Adu, he might just need a little jump start. The next World Cup could be a perfect opportunity for him.

[Hunter]

I'm sorry but I just can't see Freddy Adu turn out as good as Ronaldinho or even worth £40 million (even in the future). I just think he's overhyped and overrated.

By the way, I understood perfectly what you said earlier. I was just deducing my own conclusions from what was said.

But if football continues to go the down the terrible death path it is heading now who knows how much he will be worth.
I am pretty sure an Abramovich would pay something like that in the future if he turns out good.

[Alex"pes"hilty]

Has anyone actually seen Adu play live though, you cant say he's overhyped or not until uve seen him play.

[Hunter]

Has anyone actually seen Adu play live though, you cant say he's overhyped or not until uve seen him play.

I have seen him play for about 5 minutes actually on Eurosport.
He seemed a strong player as we all already know but he seemed comfortable when dribbling past players which is always a major plus point,.

[Hunter]

Are you saying that we should take a risk on him now? So that Chelsea or Real Madrid don't steal him from under our noses?


Yes.

[Stella Artois]

Do me a favour! 5 whole minutes? Jesus Christ. :rolleyes:

[Hunter]

Do me a favour! 5 whole minutes? Jesus Christ. :rolleyes:

;)
I am browsing on an Alien lifeform website which is so interesting is incredible so i will be reading that for the most part. If you are interested just look in the 'Alien' thread Liam K set-up i have sent a link in.

[LiamK]

I could swear that picture looks like his mum has forced him to go shopping with him or something like that.

Ok then Liamk, would you care to enlighten us on this picture? Where did you get it from? What is it supposed to be of (I know Cristiano Ronaldo is on the right but who is on the left)?

I found it on some other forum; there's two possible answers:

1) It's his mum advising him while he's shopping and holding his hand as he's crossing the road

2) Wayne Rooney's hooked him up ;)

[Hunter]

I found it on some other forum; there's two possible answers:

1) It's his mum advising him while he's shopping and holding his hand as he's crossing the road

2) Wayne Rooney's hooked him up ;)

I'd say its option:

3) It's Rooney's mother. :D

[skullverine]

Also rossi pique the new 16 yr old gk, the pending transfer of adu
dude, who is that player?
how did you know that adu is gonna join manutd?

[marcrulz]

dude, who is that player?
how did you know that adu is gonna join manutd?

look on utds website he's called ron robert zieler, and Fergie was over in the U.S meeting adu this week.

[Hunter]

look on utds website he's called ron robert zieler, and Fergie was over in the U.S meeting adu this week.

I heard a rumour about Fergie going to meet Adu. Seems to be true.
Adu said United is his dream club along with Madrid but we all know what is happenning to Real now dont we. :rolleyes:

[Jonny2J]

I'm sorry but I just can't see Freddy Adu turn out as good as Ronaldinho or even worth £40 million (even in the future). I just think he's overhyped and overrated.

By the way, I understood perfectly what you said earlier. I was just deducing my own conclusions from what was said.overhyped.... yes, overrated most definately not.... ive seen the kid play and he takes the piss half the time... yes the yank league is shite but u can see how awesome his ball control and touch is, finishing, balance, dribbling, its their for everyone to see.... he does stuff that 99.9% of that league can only dream of doing

cay anyone actually confirm if Fergie was in the US this week or any Man Utd sites or summit talk about it?

[AgentZero]

same happend with 'Dinho he said hed love to be the first braszilian to play at ManU and then we ended up with a lesser of a brazillian in Kleberson

[skullverine]

well, if Adu is really gonna join United.. I hope when he's old enough, he'll be the first north american that made it into the first 11 regulars

[digiviceking]

well, if Adu is really gonna join United.. I hope when he's old enough, he'll be the first north american that made it into the first 11 regulars

i tot tim howard is the 1st north american??

[Akineye]

Found this on UWS and thought it deserved sharing.

99 reasons to distrust Glazer.

1. Malcolm's father Abraham deserted from the Russian army and emigrated to America in 1915. Malcolm apparently hates this being mentioned in the press and this could be a reason why he does not give up a fight until he has been completely and absolutely defeated and ground into the dust.

2. Abraham died when Malcolm was 15. Malcolm took on his father's watch
repair business and worked seven days a week. In five years, he had the
capital to start buying property and from there he moved into trailer parks.

3. When Malcolm's mother Hannah died in 1980, she left an estate worth $1m.
Litigation erupted soon after, when Malcolm's brother Jerome fell out with a
brother-in-law.

4. The court battle over the will ensued, passing through six judges and has
gone on for an incredible 24 years. Glazer claimed his sisters were jealous
that he had made their mother rich. But the case shines an unflattering
light on him.

5. When asked for documents, he delivered 103 boxes of randomly filed
statements that took five people three weeks to reassemble. Under cross
examination he repeatedly claimed ignorance on simple business matters and
said "I don't remember" 250 times.

6. At one point when the opposing attorney left the room the stenographer
recorded Glazer saying: "We have got to keep going until there is no money
in this estate." He has said he meant that his sisters were intent on
running down the estate. In 1986 he was ordered to pay fees of $268,299 and
a judge said his "intentional and prolonged non-compliance with the court's
reasonable orders" had cost his sisters.

7. According to The Guardian: "Glazer's 60-year business career,
incorporating property, fish, fast food restaurants, local television
stations and nursing homes, has been punctuated with minor court cases. Some
are bizarre, even by the standards of America's litigation-happy culture.

8. Soon after the Tampa Bay takeover, residents on a trailer park accused
Glazer's holding company of illegally charging an extra $5 a month for
keeping a pet and $3 for each resident beyond the first two. Glazer
eventually dropped the fees, but not before incurring acres of bad publicity
and was dubbed the 'slumlord'."

9. At his East Avenue and Forest Lawn mobile home parks in Rochester, New
York, residents complained constantly about the poor conditions he kept them
in. The tenants, many old and poor, formed a pressure group to fight him.

10. Lawyer Paul Marasco, who represented Glazer's tenants in a successful
lawsuit against Glazer, said: "He was charging tenants extra for having pets
and even having babies. It was all against the law but he still fought it
every inch of the way. We thought what he was doing was wrong so took him
on and the courts vindicated our fight. I'm glad we won and a lot of people
got some money back."

11. Today parts of Glazer's trailer parks resemble waste dumps - with
rusting toys and discarded rubbish littering the cramped space between lots.
Many mobile homes are boarded up and have become a magnet for drug users,
residents say.

12. Carl Feinstock, a Rochester lawyer, took Glazer to court when one of his
clients was injured at a Glazer-owned trailer park. Feinstock says: "He
didn't keep up the parks. He cut his costs at the expense of the residents."

13. One resident, Lawrence Conway, said: "He does nothing for us." Conway
says his park is often short of light bulbs and that Glazer's company has
consistently raised rents above the market rate.

Malcolm moves up in the world……….

14. Having concentrated on property in his early years, initially buying
rented homes in Rochester, he reinvented himself as a corporate raider in
the go-go stock markets of the 1980s. (Source: The Guardian)

15. Recurring themes in Glazer's career - ones that echo in the assault on
Manchester United - are his willingness to employ heavy borrowings and
efforts to maximise the bargaining power of relatively small investments.

16. Glazer's first attempt at a takeover was in 1984 when he tried to buy
the bankrupt US Conrail system. He offered $7.6bn, though he only actually
had $100m of his own. Attempts to raise the difference eventually failed.
Wonder why.

17. Glazer's main wealth comes from controlling stakes in two US public
companies: Zapata, a holding company originally started by George Bush Snr,
in which the Glazer family has 50 per cent of the stock, and Omega Protein,
a fish oil maker in which Zapata has 60 per cent. Glazer also owns a
private company, First Allied Corporation, which has interests in commercial
property such as shopping malls.

18. Reputed to be America's 278th richest man (Forbes Rich List 2004),
three-quarters of his estimated $1billion fortune is tied up in the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers with a value thought to be more than $700 million. But the
rules covering the ownership of teams in the NFL mean he cannot use his
holding as collateral for a loan and he has pledged not to sell the team.
Roman Abramovich he isn't.

19. In 1988, he bought 10% of Formica Corporation, the then-unfashionable
work surface company, and threatened to bid for it before selling the stake
to a higher bidder. (Source: The Guardian)

20. A US District Court judge dismissed a lawsuit filed by Glazer in
connection with his failed attempt to acquire Formica Corp. Glazer, along
with several of his family members and businesses, sued Formica and its CEO,
Vincent Langone.

21. Glazer employed similar tactics at Harley-Davidson, the motorcycle
manufacturer, where he built a 6.9% stake, generated some takeover fever and
then sold at a profit. When the motorcycle maker was struggling, Glazer
used his stockholding to air his complaints about management and threaten a
hostile takeover. It drove up the share price - and just as analysts were
predicting Glazer to make a fully-fledged takeover, he quietly sold his
entire shareholding and walked away with the profits.

22. Harley Davidson Inc said it filed a suit against Malcolm Glazer. Filed
in US District Court in the Eastern Wisconsin District, the suit charges
that the 13D Glazer filed with the US Securities and Exchange Commission
(SEC) announcing his 6.24% stake in the company, failed to announce his
intention to increase his stake in the company to 15%, Harley said. The
suit also alleges Glazer failed to disclose his violation of the prior
notice requirements of the Hart-Scott Rodino rules in a second SEC filing
announcing his intention to acquire a 15% stake in Harley Davidson.

23. In the 1990s, he made a killing in junk bonds, a feat that will have
required high nerve and astute analysis. Junk bonds were regarded as the
toxic waste of the financial system after a series of scandals and defaults.
Glazer judged that things could not get much worse, and is reckoned to
have roughly doubled his $80m investment as economic recovery ensured that
not all companies defaulted on their junk bonds. (Source: The Guardian)

24. An investigation by the US magazine Business Week in 2004 revealed that
the SEC probed sharp increases in the value of both Zapata and Omega stock,
raising the value of the Glazer family investment by $50m. The movements
tended to coincide with significant purchases of United stock by Malcolm
Glazer, though there was no evidence they were linked.

25. The SEC is understood to have subpoenaed Theodore Roxford, a mysterious
corporate raider who has admitted to being behind trading in Zapata shares,
which sent them soaring from $22 a share in November 2002 to over $63.00 13
months later, and in Omega, where shares rose from under $6.00 to more than
$8.00. John Held, the general counsel at Omega, has admitted that the SEC
requested company documents late last year.

26. When asked, Roxford claimed that he was acting for a group of investors
with stock in Zapata and when further asked whether those investors might be
connected to the Glazers, Roxford did not deny it.

27. Neither Zapata nor any of the Glazer family was prepared to comment on
the SEC investigation, although Avram Glazer has said in the past that
neither he nor his father has had any dealings with Mr. Roxford.

28. So why would investors or phantom bidders push up the shares despite
serious doubts about the bidders' credibility? Analyst Timothy Ramey says
that he assumed both offers came from "blatant stock manipulators" out to
make a quick buck. Investors were less suspicious, he says, "because it's
hard for the market not to react to the words 'takeover bid.' The market
always trades on speculation."

29. Another lawsuit, filed by Robert Strougo, a shareholder of Omega,
claimed that the Glazers, including Malcolm's son Avram (Zapata's chief
executive) and daughter Darcie (a Zapata director), breached their fiduciary
duties by not properly considering a so-called buyout offer sent via e-mail
to Zapata. This tale gets twisted when it was disclosed that the supposed
buyer, a Florida partnership, is run by the self-same Theodore Roxford, who
calls himself a 'corporate con artist'.

30. Ramping up a share price is not illegal in the US, but it is not
regarded as good business practice. Neither is the practice known as
'greenmail', the acquisition of shares with the threat of a bid or change of
management, usually followed by an exit at a profit.

31. In 1995, Glazer attempted to sell a company called Houlihan's
Restaurants Inc to Zapata. Glazer himself held a 73% stake in Houlihan's,
and was set to make $59m from the deal. The proposal was dropped after a
lawsuit brought by Zapata's minority shareholders, claiming that he was
attempting to enrich himself at the expense of Zapata.

32. In the mid-90s, Avram Glazer persuaded his father to allow him to play
with his own train set - a internet division of Zapata called "Zap.com"
which he promised would provide untold riches in the new dot.com world and
turn fish oil producer Zapata into a player in the internet game.

33. In 1998, Zapata even launched an unsolicited all-paper (i.e. payment in
Zapata shares) offer for up-and-coming internet portals Excite and WhoWhere
for $1.68 billion and $400 million respectively. Both offers were made by
FAX - and unsurprisingly rejected with derision. Zapata's share price
rocketed on the back of this news

34. Zapata's ventures into the internet world failed miserably, as did many
others. But few were so comprehensively criticised by insiders - "[Avram]
Glazer knew nothing about the internet", said Bowe. "His ambition was to
build up Zap and then cash in by selling shares in a stock-market float".
"Avram had this dream of being a big swinging dick of the internet,' she
said. But his ambition was hampered by an 'almost surreal incompetence'.

35. Bowe remembered how in awe he seemed of his father. "He's pathetic. Such
a daddy's boy," said Bowe. "This is the one thing he had tried to do on his
own and he couldn't have done it worse. I really hope Manchester United find
someone else."

36. Zap.com proved to be a money drain for Zapata, which owns 98% of
Zap.com. The company blames its Internet operations for $5.7 million in
losses for the nine months ended on Sept. 30. The company lost $20.3
million, or 85 cents per share, on revenue of $93.7 million in 1999.

37. After the collapse of Zap.com, Zapata faced a series of lawsuits from
investors. Lawyer Tom Ajamie had worked for the Glazers for seven years and
helped to defend the cases, but the relationship ended after the Glazers
stopped paying his fees. 'Malcolm Glazer refused to meet me or discuss the
bills. He wouldn't tell me where the problem was,' he said. Ajamie started
legal proceedings. 'He is the only client I have ever had to sue,' said
Ajamie.

38. In 2003, Gates Capital Management, a minor shareholder in Zapata,
unsuccessfully tried to get the directors to liquidate the company, arguing
that it had made failed investments over seven years in the internet, junk
bonds, pay phones, Caribbean supermarkets and nurseries, losing $45m in the
process.

The Glazers and their extensive involvement and love for football (UK
variety)

39. As far as is known, Glazer has never been to Manchester, let alone ever
seen Manchester United play.

40. Glazer's PR people say that the family interest in football is mainly
held by Glazer's son Joel. Apparently Joel once shared a flat with a Spurs
fan.

41. Joel also recently told a Tampa journalist that he was "concerned about
United's midfield".

42. The Glazers nearly bought Major League Soccer franchise Tampa Bay Mutiny
in 2001, but apparently the asking price of somewhere north of $5 million
was too high. The franchise collapsed soon afterwards and the team no
longer exists. Mutiny played at Raymond James Stadium, where the Bucs play,
and the Glazers would have controlled 100% of parking, concessions and
ticket sales revenue through their ownership of the stadium.

43. Three years ago, Glazer attempted to buy the Swiss football club FC
Zurich. He told its president, Sven Hotz "When I take over, nobody has a
say apart from me". Herr Hotz politely declined the offer.

44. Errr, ………………..that's it.

The Glazers and their extensive involvement and love for football (US
variety)

45. Glazer bought the struggling American football team the Tampa Bay
Buccaneers in 1995 for $192m, after it had notched up a long strong of
losses both financial and on the pitch. His first act was to fire the
manager.

46. American football is very different to the UK variety, where the fans'
have a passionate love for their club, its heritage and traditions, which is
strongly community based and runs down the generations. American football
is regarded more as a business which provides entertainment, like the
movies, a nice day out for the family.

47. Glazer tried to buy four other American sports franchises before getting
the Buccaneers.

48. Glazer goes for the jugular. When he offered to buy the Buccaneers, he
promised the Tampa authorities he would go halves on a new stadium with
them. After getting control, he backed out of the deal, and gave Tampa two
years to build it themselves or he would move the team to a city that would.

49. Tampa caved in, and city taxpayers are still paying a half-cent sales
tax to fund the stadium's construction. Ex-Tampa mayor Bill Poe estimates
that this has cost the City some $400 million in all.

50. Soon after buying the Buccaneers, Glazer arranged for his own restaurant
company Houlihan's to buy the naming rights for the team's new stadium, at a
cost of $10m, despite the firm having just two restaurants in Florida, and
none in Tampa Bay itself.

51. After completing the building of the new stadium, Glazer so upset some
Tampa Buccaneers fans that in 1999 civil court action was pursued by a group
of longstanding Buccaneers season ticket holders who felt they'd been
unfairly downgraded to inferior seats by the move to the new stadium.

52. Glazer's response was for the club to counter-sue the fans for
defamation. The case was settled out-of-court and as part of the agreement,
the dissenting fans were offered a choice of new seats.

53. Instances like those prompted the local Tampa Bay Tribune to accuse
Glazer of using the city as his "personal urinal".

54. Much is made of the fact that the Buccaneers won a Super Bowl
championship in 2003. But the team had won nothing before that and have won
nothing since and is now back to its reputation as a loser team.

55. Glazer's single trophy pales in comparison with the achievements of
United under the 19-year tenure of Sir Alex Ferguson and the present regime.

56. Some Bucs fans point to Glazer's tendency to interfere with matters
better handled by the management staff. Tampa Bay's former head coach, Tony
Dungy, was by every measure a success with the Bucs, yet he was constantly
hounded and harassed by the Glazers to fire his offensive assistant coaches
(David Shula and Les Steckel). Why should we believe their promises not to
interfere with football matters at Manchester United?

57. Less than two years after winning the Super Bowl the Glazer family has
directed its team's own downfall through a series of dubious decisions that
will certainly concern United supporters. The successful and popular general
manager Rich McKay was replaced by Bruce Allen of the Oakland Raiders and
many fan favourites on the field were allowed to leave in favour of ageing
veterans. The results, or lack of them, have annoyed some fans, who admit
United might find themselves in a similarly alarming position if Glazer
becomes their new owner.

58. "I'd be worried if I was a Manchester United fan because I think his
interest is in business rather than the sport itself," said the Buccaneers
fan and Tampa native Jim Freeman. "His interest is in winning also, but
mainly because it increases the worth of the business. They [the Glazers]
are into the pride of ownership and the involvement you have as an NFL
owner, which is a very exclusive club. It's a power thing. As far as soccer
goes I don't think they're any more interested in Manchester United than I
am."" (Source: Guardian)

59. The Glazers have raised ticket prices EVERY year since they have owned
the Tamp Bay Buccaneers. Bucs ticket prices, if you include every element
of the pricing structure, are now among the highest in the NFL. Their 'club
seats' season ticket required buyers to commit to TEN years of ownership and
anyone who withdraws before the period is up is liable to pay a penalty.

60. Prices of everything across the board at the Raymond James stadium have
also gone through the roof - including concessions such as parking, food,
drink and other merchandise.

61. The Buccaneers players have had to travel 80 miles to a training ground
because their existing Tampa training facilities were infested with rats.

62. Work has started on a new training centre, the defunct Tampa Bay Center
which closed in 2002 and was purchased later that year by First Allied
Corp., a real estate concern headed by Bucs owner Malcolm Glazer, for $22.8
million in late 2002. True to form, the Bucs are entitled to $12 million in
local sales tax revenue for construction of the facility. The City continues
to pay the bills for their privately-owned and profitable team.

63. Allen St John, a columnist for the Wall Street Journal, said, "He is
different from other sports franchise owners in that he is very much a
businessman and he is proud of that," says St John. "At a certain point,
many of them are almost embarrassed to talk about how much money they have
made, whereas Glazer is completely unapologetic about that. For him, it is
not just about sporting victory but also about business victory. He is just
as happy to make money on something as win a championship."


What they have said about the Glazers…………..

64. A US judge reviewing Glazer's business practices famously branded him "a
snake in sheep's clothing."

65. Glazer's sister commented, "People in Britain should be very wary of
him. I don't think he is fit to own such a famous and historic club as
Manchester United. If he gets his hands on it the only one who will benefit
is Malcolm."

66. Eric Cantona said, "If he [Glazer] were to come here, we would lose
everything."

67. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer declared, "I'm absolutely on the side of the fans
who don't want him at the club. I think United is in very good hands as it
is today."

68. Sir Alex Ferguson said, "We don't want the club to be in anyone else's
hands."

69. "Of course we sympathise with the views of the fans," said Ryan Giggs.
"As far as they're concerned, there's nothing wrong with the way the club is
being run."

70. Rio Ferdinand said, "A lot of people want the club's interest to be with
people who have grown up with the club and have got its interests at heart.

71. Sir Bobby Charlton said of the Glazer bid: "I can't say much about that,
but what I can say is this - Manchester United is an institution which is
protected by its fans and by the Board who have the club's best interests at
heart".

72. Pat Crerand and Sandy Busby, men who understand the true heritage of
Manchester United, told Shareholders United, "Your cause is just."

73. UK Sports Minister Richard Caborn said in reply to a parliamentary
question from Tony Lloyd MP in January 2005: "I was pleased to read the
statement made by the chief executive of Manchester United, David Gill, when
he said any decision would be taken reflecting both present shareholders and
future shareholders. I think that is important to a club like Manchester
United who have a tremendous role to play not just in the game, but in the
community as well."

74. Bill Poe, the former mayor of Tampa says Glazer has been a bad owner for
the city. He has, he says, "taken every advantage that he could have taken
and put very little back in". Poe is so incensed he has broken a 10-year
silence to warn United fans against the Bucs' boss. "The British government
and its citizens have been great allies and friends of America," said Poe.
"I would question whether I would want someone like Glazer representing
American business in Britain."

75. Tom Ajamie is a lawyer who worked for the Glazer family for seven years
- until they fell out over unpaid fees. He said recently: "He [Glazer] is
very aggressive. He will do what he sets out to do. He is determined to
take over Manchester United and will continue until he is absolutely
defeated. He is hard nosed. On the upside he is orientated towards winning.
There is no question about that. But he is very much driven by money and
there is no question he will drive up ticket prices. He did it at Tampa Bay
and he also extracted very severe concessions from the City of Tampa Bay,
tax breaks and other types of monetary concessions. At one point he even
threatened to pull the team out of Tampa Bay which was really disheartening
for the whole city because they love their football team. He doesn't care
whether fans like him or not. I guarantee you that. He will do what he
wants to do. Other people's opinions are the last things that concern him."

76. Ajamie took Glazer to court but the case was settled before it got to
court, with Ajamie receiving 85 cents for every dollar owed. "If he had
asked for that discount in the first place, I would have given it to him,"
said Ajamie. He said that during his time with the Glazers all serious
negotiations took place with Malcolm. Other former advisers said Malcolm
preferred to operate behind the scenes and that his sons checked everything
they did with their father first.

77. Glazer's sister comments about the litigation over their mother's will:
"The family were all so close but he just made mincemeat of them all. He
made sure they ended up with virtually nothing. He would rather have spent
the money on court fees than give them a cent. It was incredibly mean, but
also incredibly sad."

78. Glazer's sister comments "No one he has ever worked with has a good word
to say about him. He can appear very charming but it's all a front."

79. Brother-in-law Morris Krovetz said: "Malcolm Glazer is not a man - he's
an animal. He's done so much damage to the family that it pains me to even
mention his name. As far as I'm concerned he no longer exists." Mr Krovetz,
who was married to Glazer's sister Evelyn, blames his brother-in-law for
destroying his wife's life.

80. Marisa Bowe, former editor-in-chief of the pioneering internet magazine
Word.com, first met Avram Glazer in 1998 when Zapata bailed out her company.
Word was one of 30 websites that Zap bought. 'He was an idiot,' said Bowe,
''and I'm not the sort of person who uses the word idiot lightly.'

81. (Sir Bobby Robson in the Mail on Sunday): "Whereas Chelsea welcomed
Roman Abramovich because they were skint, Manchester United don't need
Glazer - he needs them. United already spend millions on the best players,
such as Rio Ferdinand and Wayne Rooney, and want to expand their capacity to
75,000 to cope with demand from fans."

82. (Bobby Robson again): "It's not in the best interests of the club to
sell out to the man from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. In fact, the people who
might benefit most from Glazer taking over are Arsenal and Chelsea, because
I'm sure United would lose their position as the No.1 club."

83. (Bobby Robson yet again): "If the shareholders let Glazer take over,
will ticket prices go up? Will Old Trafford be renamed or even sold?
Anything is possible and that is what's worrying. United are more than just
a football club. They are the football club - to tens of millions in every
continent."

84. (More Sir Bobby): "But United don't need rescuing, Glazer won't care
about the heritage of United, just the bank balance."



Why Manchester United does not need Glazer….

85. Manchester United is a highly successful football club, operating at the
pinnacle of
European football. United does not need a new owner to improve its
sporting success,
especially one who will load the club with debt in order to acquire it.

86. Manchester United is also a successful and profitable company. It is
already the No 1 richest sporting club in the world (Deloitte & Touche). It
does not need a new owner to maintain and improve its position in this
respect.

87. Malcolm Glazer is promising to 'bring success to Manchester United' -
his NFL franchise, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, finished bottom of their league
this year and next to bottom the previous year, having won 1 trophy in 8
years under Glazer's ownership.

88. Manchester United is a global name in football and sport - the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers is a local franchise and the Glazer family have absolutely no
experience of running an international company, let alone a global sports
icon such as United.

89. Malcolm Glazer's acquisition of a major shareholding in United has so
far contributed absolutely nothing but destabilisation, speculation and
distraction to the club. He appears to be content to pursue his aggressive
and dangerous business plan with no apparent concern for the effect on the
club, the community, the team or the supporters.

90. Glazer has actually borrowed to fund his share purchases up to now -
some estimate as much as £100 million. So his family foundation is already
in debt to the banks before he starts to borrow huge sums to make his bid.

91. Manchester United is a debt-free company, with cash in the bank and
making substantial profits year on year. Glazer would borrow huge amounts
to buy United, turning the club into a debt-laden organisation overnight and
requiring at least a doubling of annual profits for the next 5 to 7 years in
order to repay debts and give Glazer a return on his "investment".

92. This pressure on the finances of United would result in huge price
increases acros