Manchester United

[Meyyappan]

Quoted in complete agreement.

Quoted in periodical absolute complete agreement.

The mancs are just cooking this up in case they lose ronaldo........

They say he was better than ronaldo when he first came here but he was 2 yrs older so if you take a two years older Ron he won you the league.

[Zoolander]

http://timesonline.typepad.com/thegame/2008/10/spare-a-thought.html

Do you think SAF blames Wes for the own goal against Liverpool?

[AgentZero]

Quoted in periodical absolute complete agreement.

The mancs are just cooking this up in case they lose ronaldo........

They say he was better than ronaldo when he first came here but he was 2 yrs older so if you take a two years older Ron he won you the league.
you sound as if you do not know what thread this is.

[wrathchild_uk]

http://timesonline.typepad.com/thegame/2008/10/spare-a-thought.html

Do you think SAF blames Wes for the own goal against Liverpool?

I was going to mention this the other day and thought it could be the case as he seems to have been relegated to 3rd choice right back all of a sudden..

[Zoolander]

Personally I thought it was VDS fault.

[Top Gun]

I'm pretty sure Brown will be in the starting eleven still, I thought he had an injury?

Rafael has looked pretty exciting, not sure about the defensive side of his game yet as he hasn't had much of a challenge yet but going forward he looks brilliant. Fabio is supposed to be the better of the two aswell.

[AgentZero]

I think Sir Alex sees a lot in the twins.

[mufcsean]

I blamed van der Sar for the own goal against Liverpool, not Wes. I would rather have Wes at RB than Neville imo.

Scholes and Fletcher have signed contract extensions :D

[skullverine]

Sir Alex remains unsure over the readiness of Gary Neville and Wayne Rooney ahead of Saturday's visit to Blackburn.

The Reds confirmed on Thursday that Rooney was unlikely to make the match because of the ankle injury he picked up against Aalborg on Tuesday.

Rooney, however, joined Neville in doing some light jogging during Friday's training session, and Sir Alex was hopeful that both players would also do some ball work.

But the visit to Ewood Park looks to have come too soon for the pair, who are likely to join Michael Carrick (ankle), Owen Hargreaves and Paul Scholes (both knee) on the sidelines.

Even in Neville's absence, Sir Alex has a dilemma at right back. United's 18-year-old Brazilian defender Rafael started and impressed against Aalborg, but had to come off after picking up a slight knock. He has since been passed fit and is vying alongside Wes Brown for the vacant full-back berth.


From manutd.com

[skullverine]

What happened to Kuszczak anyway? Why wasn't he included in the travelling squad for the Aalborg match?

[mufcsean]

I think he is injured

[Miggy]

I like the red shirt with black shorts.

[greenegg]

I was just watching a bit of the game and is it just me or is Berbatov really lazy? He always looks as if he isn't interested in playing.

[Hunter]

I was just watching a bit of the game and is it just me or is Berbatov really lazy? He always looks as if he isn't interested in playing.

He is incredibly lazy, me and a few of my friends were watching the Aalborg game and we were actually howling with laughter at how lazy Berba really is. Even when he passes, he'll flick his toes instead of swinging his leg. :fplm:

[I.N Extasy]

Berbatov, lazy? No. I would have agreed to a certain extent if you had said slow though. He does give you that impression but he's the type of player who likes to play it cool. :\ He does get his bursts of acceleration, mind.(Tonight's game for instance; the cross intended for Rooney, that he missed, where Giggs took the shot)

Rooney didn't have an exceptional game, although he had his moments. That said, it's still a good thing, it's been a while since he's played that way.

The first goal, well...:mellow:
The second one had a good buildup play to it with a comfortable finish from Wayne.

Despite the scoreline suggesting an easy win, it really wasn't. Blackburn put up a good fight, particularly their keeper who impressed, and could have scored on a few occasions, but so could we. :\

Overall, I'm glad with our performance. Three wins in a row is nice for a change! :D

[Keyser Soze]

Berbatov is the man though! :cool: You just have to accept what he is - and he isn't a player who will get back and fight for the ball, but give him the ball and he'll make things happen. He's got a real arrogant swagger about him, and I (secretly) love it. Berbatov, lazy? No. I would have agreed to a certain extent if you had said slow though. He does give you that impression but he's the type of player who likes to play it cool. :\ He does get his bursts of acceleration, mind.(Tonight's game for instance; the cross intended for Rooney, that he missed, where Giggs took the shot)

Not at all. And Berbatov, when he can be bothered to get into full stride, isn't slow in the slightest.

[I.N Extasy]

Berbatov is the man though! :cool: You just have to accept what he is - and he isn't a player who will get back and fight for the ball, but give him the ball and he'll make things happen. He's got a real arrogant swagger about him, and I love it.


Aye, true. But he's the type who won't get cocky with the media and definitely knows how to talk.

Not at all. And Berbatov, when he can be bothered to get into full stride, isn't slow in the slightest.

He does give you that (of being lazy) impression but he's the type of player who likes to play it cool. :\ He does get his bursts of acceleration, mind.
.

[Keyser Soze]

So... where does the slow come into it? When he can be bothered to run? Like, laziness almost...?! Dude, either way you're basically contradicting yourself. :lol:;)

That weather was class for football though - when it's not your own team playing!

[vanNistelrooy]

Berbatov is in the same mould of Cantona, just lazier (sp).

Like Keyser I too love it, only my love is no secret.

[I.N Extasy]

So... where does the slow come into it? When he can be bothered to run? Like, laziness almost...?! Dude, either way you're basically contradicting yourself. :lol:;)

My bad. Wrong choice of words. :blush:

That weather was class for football though - when it's not your own team playing!

Oh, fuck you. :lol:

[dotty_84]

Thought Ronaldo played well today watching him against Aalborg he was so greedy, set up some players which they should have finished, he had a few chances too.

[Top Gun]

Darren Fletcher has probably been one of, if not, our best player this season, he has truly progressed excellently over the last few seasons. There was a time when I used to loathe seeing his name in the line-up but now he is definitely worthy.

[Joel]

Berbatov, lazy? No. I would have agreed to a certain extent if you had said slow though. He does give you that impression but he's the type of player who likes to play it cool. :\ He does get his bursts of acceleration, mind.(Tonight's game for instance; the cross intended for Rooney, that he missed, where Giggs took the shot)

Rooney didn't have an exceptional game, although he had his moments. That said, it's still a good thing, it's been a while since he's played that way.

The first goal, well...:mellow:
The second one had a good buildup play to it with a comfortable finish from Wayne.

Despite the scoreline suggesting an easy win, it really wasn't. Blackburn put up a good fight, particularly their keeper who impressed, and could have scored on a few occasions, but so could we. :\

Overall, I'm glad with our performance. Three wins in a row is nice for a change! :D

But it was an easy victory. It was pretty straight forward and simple. You could have had more too.

[AgentZero]

berbatov is deceptively quick and yes i do too love the lazy cantona thing.

[Keyser Soze]

Only trouble is with players like Berbs is that when he's not producing the goods, it's so easy to get on his back because he contributes fuck all in terms of grafting and trying to make amends where-as with a player like Rooney, the crowd can appreciate the effort he is putting in regardless of form.

[AgentZero]

thats why its great to have players like Rooney, Tevez, Park an Fletcher playing around him.

[I.N Extasy]

But it was an easy victory. It was pretty straight forward and simple. You could have had more too.

True, but they could have scored as well. The weather for one, was shit. They had their fans behind them, for a quite while. On another night, we would have won by a higher margin, but they would have scored as well, that I'm certain of.

Only trouble is with players like Berbs is that when he's not producing the goods, it's so easy to get on his back because he contributes fuck all in terms of grafting and trying to make amends where-as with a player like Rooney, the crowd can appreciate the effort he is putting in regardless of form.

That's true but take into account of what Zero said(although I find his choice of Fletcher questionable, despite him being hard worker who clearly loves the team).

At the end of the day, we bought Berbatov to score goals and so far so good. Whatever it is he adds other than goals, is just a bonus.

[mufcsean]

Once again i was glad to see Rooney get a goal, and what a goal it was. I was also glad to see Fletcher playing from the start, he had a great start to the season and normally with the injuries to Scholes Carrick and Hargreaves i would be worried but lately, and i never thought i would say this, but i have faith in Fletcher to come and just go about his job, and he was excellent at it yesterday.

But i think what i loved most about yesterday is that Wes scored, he has been very harshly left out of the team lately and that was a perfect way to respond.

[skullverine]

Darren Fletcher has probably been one of, if not, our best player this season, he has truly progressed excellently over the last few seasons. There was a time when I used to loathe seeing his name in the line-up but now he is definitely worthy.

I remember that I used to get pissed when he was selected ahead of Ronaldo during the 2003/2004 season.

I thought Rooney would have a bad game because he was playing at the right wing, I'm glad that I was wrong.

And, I would like to say that the away support was brilliant!

[Phil W.A.F.C]

I remember that I used to get pissed when he was selected ahead of Ronaldo during the 2003/2004 season.

I thought Rooney would have a bad game because he was playing at the right wing, I'm glad that I was wrong.

And, I would like to say that the away support was brilliant!

My brother went Ewood Park yesterday and he said there was 9 thousand United in the away end. He also said United took over Blackburn.

[skullverine]

I like the red shirt with black shorts.

red, white, black ; or the red, white, white combination.

Speaking of kits, why do we tend to wear the white socks during the Champions League match?

[AgentZero]

isnt it to avoid clashes?

[Phatmann]

Van Der Sar has come out of international retirement because of an injury to Stekelenburg. Might have to call back Tom Heaton from Cardiff if Ed gets injured.

[skullverine]

Apparently, Stam has joined United as a scout.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1076167/Jaap-Stam-makes-Sir-Alex-signs-United-South-American-talent-scout.html

[Phatmann]

Apparently, Stam has joined United as a scout.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1076167/Jaap-Stam-makes-Sir-Alex-signs-United-South-American-talent-scout.html
Well that's a bit of a surprise. I would've thought if he was to become a scout, it'd be for Dutch youngsters and don't we already have a few South American scouts - e.g. the ones who found players like Rafael, Fabio and Possebon?

[mufcsean]

Well that's a bit of a surprise. I would've thought if he was to become a scout, it'd be for Dutch youngsters and don't we already have a few South American scouts - e.g. the ones who found players like Rafael, Fabio and Possebon?

I was going to to say the same, Ajax youth system is brilliant, don't know about other teams but South America, really?

[Zoolander]

Dong has been confirmed as Asia scout.

[Jonny2J]

My brother went Ewood Park yesterday and he said there was 9 thousand United in the away end. He also said United took over Blackburn.So they bastard should as well when you consider how close it is, how easy it is to get tickets and their success.

[AgentZero]

Well that's a bit of a surprise. I would've thought if he was to become a scout, it'd be for Dutch youngsters and don't we already have a few South American scouts - e.g. the ones who found players like Rafael, Fabio and Possebon?
something tells me Quierosz had a big hand in these along with Cristiano, Nani and Anderson.

as for stam dutch good news..:wave:

[Hunter]

Anyone know of any connects who can supply away tickets ? I'm looking on websites, and don't fancy paying £160 for an away ticket, so if anyone knows someone with ticket supplies for a decent offer, just drop us a message.

[AgentZero]

:fplm: christ its starting all over again...its only been 2 months in and Schuster couldnt resist to pipe in.

[AgentZero]

solid win great to se berba break his duck

[mufcsean]

Agreed, what a cool finish aswell :lol:

Ronaldo still isn't back to his best though yet and he seems be frustrated, first off after the game and didn't look interested when he scored.

Again the biggest positive is the way Rooney played, he has been awesome lately, no shit, but i am just not looking forward to when it ends.

When is Hargreaves back?

[skullverine]

Rooney is in a great form. I hope that he doesn't get injured because that is what usually happens when he's in a great form.

[TheBishop]

Hargreaves to leave?
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/article48357.ece

Probably bollocks

[Joel]

Agreed, what a cool finish aswell :lol:

Ronaldo still isn't back to his best though yet and he seems be frustrated, first off after the game and didn't look interested when he scored

Berbatov's finish was awesome. Made it look so easy, when in fact you need to have a quick reaction to get a good touch on that.

I think Ronaldo was just doing the "I'm so great I don't need to celebrate my goals" thing.

[Original?]

Berbatov's finish was awesome. Made it look so easy, when in fact you need to have a quick reaction to get a good touch on that.

Excellent finish, he certainly made it look effortless.

I think Ronaldo was just doing the "I'm so great I don't need to celebrate my goals" thing.

Being a cunt? Agreed.

Rooney and Giggs both impressed me a lot.

[Joel]

Excellent finish, he certainly made it look effortless.



Being a cunt? Agreed.

Rooney and Giggs both impressed me a lot.

More or less :lol:

[Cannon ball]

Excellent finish, he certainly made it look effortless.



Being a cunt? Agreed.

Rooney and Giggs both impressed me a lot.

His dive was also very impressive.

Rooney is in the form of his life at the moment. The goal that was disallowed was great stuff, shame it didnt count.

[AgentZero]

kudos to ron for the great pass/vision.

[skullverine]

I think Ronaldo was just doing the "I'm so great I don't need to celebrate my goals" thing.

The way I see it, he either:
a) not interested in playing for United
b) he was disappointed in his performance

[Wan]

Probably both. :lol:

[Joel]

The way I see it, he either:
a) not interested in playing for United
b) he was disappointed in his performance

Hmmm...Fair points, but I'm 99% sure it's the being a cunt thing.

[AgentZero]

yeah he'd be like..who the fucks West Brom...gahh another goal....oh woe is me!!!

[Miggy]

Hargreaves to leave?
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/article48357.ece

Probably bollocks

Interest from us? :lol:


:fplm:

[mufcsean]

You can have him if we can have Xavi :lol:

[AgentZero]

throw in Ronaldo for Messi? Just to piss madrid off.

[50!]

Celtic would have won if it wasn't for the linesman.

[TheBishop]

Celtic would have won if it wasn't for the linesman.

How can Celtic have won without scoring? :erm:

[mufcsean]

Celtic would have won if it wasn't for the linesman.

I can only imagine that you are taking the piss about something Strachan said after the game.

Once again Rooney was awesome, great finish for his goal and unfortunately Boruc played very well for Celtic tonight.

I was very impressed with J Evans aswell, very professional and calm performance, where was Rio though, i missed all the build up to the game, is he injured or just rested?

Ronaldo doesn't look happy :no:

Berbatov is so cool it's unbelievable, before he came i wasn't sure if he was good enough but the way he plays is outstanding, he is so calm and more or less always does the right thing.

[Phatmann]

I can only imagine that you are taking the piss about something Strachan said after the game.

Once again Rooney was awesome, great finish for his goal and unfortunately Boruc played very well for Celtic tonight.

I was very impressed with J Evans aswell, very professional and calm performance, where was Rio though, i missed all the build up to the game, is he injured or just rested?

Ronaldo doesn't look happy :no:

Berbatov is so cool it's unbelievable, before he came i wasn't sure if he was good enough but the way he plays is outstanding, he is so calm and more or less always does the right thing.
I don't think Boruc played particularly well. His fumble for the second goal was shocking, and it could've been even more embarrassing when Anderson blocked his clearance later on in the match.

Jonny Evans had a very good game, I agree. Rio was out cos he got a groin strain in training yesterday apparently. They say he should be back for the Everton game.

[mufcsean]

I thought he made some good saves to be honest, though i agree about the 2nd Berbatov goal.

Cheers for clearing it up about Rio

[Phatmann]

Any idea what's the deal with Fabio? I thought people had said he was meant to be the better of the Brazilian twins? Yet he can't get on the bench when Evra is out and O'Shea is starting at left back, whereas Rafael is on the bench even though we already had Wes Brown there.

[mufcsean]

Is he not injured?

[Phatmann]

That would explain it then. How long will Evra be out for? as we don't seem to have any cover at left back.

[mufcsean]

Fergie reckons he will be back for the Everton game too

[Phatmann]

Fantastic! Evra has been very impressive for a long time now and even though John O'Shea was decent enough tonight - albeit wasn't tested much - it is vital that he is fit for the Everton match. I thought Gary Neville looked quite good today; some good forward runs. His crossing was a bit poor though. Who is gonna start for us at right back against Everton? Nev, Brown or Rafael?

[mufcsean]

With the way things have been going lately at Right back it wouldn't surprise me if it was none of those, i would go with Brown though as Neville started tonight tonight and Rafael started against WBA on Saturday.

Completely agree about Evra, one of best players so far this season.

[Guillermo]

Berbatov is so cool it's unbelievable, before he came i wasn't sure if he was good enough but the way he plays is outstanding, he is so calm and more or less always does the right thing.

He hasn't been that impressive, on Saturday he was woeful. I hope Tevez gets more minutes than he is currently, I was disappointed with the exclusion of him in tonight's starting 11.

Regarding Fabio, I think he had shoulder surgery last month so I don't know when he'll return.

[sahathered2004]

this coming from a guy who gives out bad rep and then disables his own rep.... ;)

I agree with you though man, Tevez for me is by far the better player when he is on the field. More energetic, better link up play with Ronaldo and Rooney and also a cool finisher when he needs to be. I seriously hope we keep Tevez, there have been suggestions of him being snapped up by Real Madrid once our deal with MSI runs out.

[mufcsean]

Aye, i can't believe there is talk of us not wanting to sign him, i know a lot of it is bullshit but if he doesn't play enough soon, he is going to get fed up and want to go, we can't afford to let him go, one of our best signings in the past few years, his work rate is second to none, and he scores some important goals

[sahathered2004]

I think to be honest we should have spent the £30 million on making sure he signs a contract with us not buying Berbatov, I think he was a panic buy by Fergie to keep the fans happy that we are trying to keep up with everyone else in the transfer market.

[Wan]

But Berba has been brilliant so far man.

[skullverine]

Aye, i can't believe there is talk of us not wanting to sign him, i know a lot of it is bullshit but if he doesn't play enough soon, he is going to get fed up and want to go, we can't afford to let him go, one of our best signings in the past few years, his work rate is second to none, and he scores some important goals

I agree.

And, Brown at right back for me.

[Lord Shrimpeh]

I think to be honest we should have spent the £30 million on making sure he signs a contract with us not buying Berbatov, I think he was a panic buy by Fergie to keep the fans happy that we are trying to keep up with everyone else in the transfer market.

Tevez is awesome, obviously, but he is too similar to Rooney. I agree in the best world we'd have Rooney and Tevez and Berba and I hope we can keep Tevez but we need Berba more. SAF recognises this by always starting him because he knows he is vital to poach goals and allow rooney to operate in his best position. You can say, of course Rooney and Tevez work together like they did last season but remember Ronaldo was in the form of his life then and if he isn't (like he hasn't been so far) we'd have stuggled without Berba. It's not just the goals he scores, he allows Rooney to be at his most effective.

[vanNistelrooy]

But Berba has been brilliant so far man.
Has he fuck.

I don't think he was a panic buy. Saha was our only backup, and he was too busy shooting Unbreakable 2 - The Louis Saha Chronicles. We needed a 3rd striker, and one that would do the jizzness as everyone else had bought well in the summer.

[Top Gun]

Berbatov is getting all of the goals that Ruud used to get, most of his goals have been real poachers efforts. I don't think Tevez would be able to do this as he likes to get around the pitch a bit more.

[AgentZero]

still though losing tevez would place us back in square one of not having much depth up front...where is this manucho fella

[Wan]

Manucho still injured maybe?

[TheBishop]

Pretty Big News:

Real Madrid president Ramon Calderon has told Sky Sports News that he is no longer interested in luring Cristiano Ronaldo away from Manchester United.

Ronaldo was at the centre of an exhausting summer transfer saga as Primera Liga champions Real pursued the winger's services throughout Euro 2008 and pre-season.

However, England League and UEFA Champions League title holders United maintained their stance that they did not want to sell the Portugal international, who eventually opted to stay at Old Trafford.

And Calderon - who refrained from tabling a bid for Ronaldo - now insists that he has permanently ended his efforts to entice the favourite for the 2008 Ballon d'Or and Fifa World Player of the Year to Spain.

"It (a deal for Ronaldo) is not possible," said Calderon. "That matter is over.

"We talked about that last season. Manchester decided they did not want to sell the player and we don't want to do anything against a friendly club like Manchester.

"We accept that Ronaldo decided to stay at Manchester. It is forgotten. Not only for January but, I think, for ever."

However, Calderon admits that, if United decided to put the 23-year-old up for sale, Real would consider an offer.

"Only if Manchester decided to sell will we be talking about it," he continued.

"But I would like to say clearly that Madrid is not doing anything to disturb a nice and friendly club like Manchester.

"That is the final word and we are happy."

[Joel]

Nice and friendly? :erm:

[Barry]

He says it twice :chanlaugh:

He must've been drunk at the time.

[Figо10]

Remember Figo, Beckham and the other Ronaldo?

The next thing you know Ronaldo's posing with a Real Madrid shirt.

[Meyyappan]

Exactly,lets not forget Zinedine Zidane as well who was in a similar situation with juve.

[wrathchild_uk]

Just wondering why is Utd's game an early kick off for when the game isn't live or anything??

[nickpring]

Just wondering why is Utd's game an early kick off for when the game isn't live or anything??

Something to do with the police moving the time because of previous trouble in this match, where if it was at 3pm fans would come drunk, I think.

That's what I've heard anyway.

[TheBishop]

Fletcher again!

[Phatmann]

1235: "Now that he's playing more than Evra, him and Giggsy need each other, you can stand under my Darren Fletcher-etcher-etcher!"

:lol:

[mufcsean]

Lovely goal, what a great through ball it was

[Zoolander]

1-1. Good header by Fellaini.

Edit: Sort it out lads.

[Miggy]

Fellaini looked very good against Spain. Won a lot of headers. What's he doing at Everton?

[vanNistelrooy]

He looks very Jewish.

Knew we'd struggle after hearing we weren't putting the game to bed. Same old story.

[Zoolander]

I'd win a lot of headers too if I was 6'4.

[wrathchild_uk]

Just knew this would be match we be a draw, i feel even more depressed now!

[Miggy]

I'd win a lot of headers too if I was 6'4.

Shame you're only 4'6.

[skullverine]

Judging from the second half performance, it was more of a point gained rather than 2 points dropped.
I wished that Gaz was on the pitch when Phil made that tackle. I wanted to see how he would react.

[wrathchild_uk]

I didn't watch the game but apparently Utd were playing well in the 1st half though, shame we couldn't have killed it off then..

[skullverine]

I didn't watch the game but apparently Utd were playing well in the 1st half though, shame we couldn't have killed it off then..

Yeah. Everton were poor in the first half. Rooney could've scored if it wasn't for Jagielka(sp?) made an important interception when he was about to shoot.
I thought Berbatov was quite poor. I don't recall seeing him shoot the ball.

[AgentZero]

ronaldo really looks out of it.

[mufcsean]

We battered them in the first half but they definitely dominated the second, good header by the Belgian lad also

[AgentZero]

Giggsy was superb in the first half and i think the strikers collectively had only 4 clear cut chances.

[vanNistelrooy]

ronaldo really looks out of it.
Heart isn't in it anymore.

[mufcsean]

Tough shit, Madrid don't want him :lol:

Na in all honesty, i think they were just talking bullshit, course they still do.

[somegooner]

He looks very Jewish.


I think he's catholic actually.

[Cannon ball]

As he's Moroccan, I'm guessing he's a muslim.

[uA - 1905]

He's a hardcore Buddhist.

[TheBishop]

Heart isn't in it anymore.

He did say he thought he was still a few weeks off top match fitness. Still expecting him to get 25-30 goals.

[Meyyappan]

Yep 25 goals i would say.

[Usul]

Yep 25 goals i would say.
Would you now? :rolleyes:

[Hunter]

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0aE1bGZgZg4Ch/340x.jpg

God I fucking love it.

[Top Gun]

Ole Gunnar Solksjaer was given a Knighthood in Norway yesterday.

Sir Ole. :smug:

[Jonny2J]

Ole Gunnar Solksjaer was given a Knighthood in Norway yesterday.

Sir Ole. :smug:Sir Cunt more like.

[Hunter]

Sir Cunt more like.

Ah yes, the ever so great input of Jonny in this thread. :fplm:

[Phatmann]

Sir Cunt more like.
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Fair tackle imo.:smug:

[Jonny2J]

Not just that so called tackle, also him intentionally trying to injure Aaron Hughes springs to mind.

[AgentZero]

Ole Gunnar Solksjaer was given a Knighthood in Norway yesterday.

Sir Ole. :smug:dont the norwegians give it to penguins aswell?

[jpmanu2005]

why was our match against everton on a saturday morning!!! it wasnt on tv, arsenal had an extra day! the fixtures are starting to pile up and its not fair, all away games after european games - its a joke!!!

[AgentZero]

i think it was noted earlier in the season that we have tough oppositions after a few of our euro games.
Zenit - Liverpool
Villareal - Chelsea
Aalborg - Blackburn
Celtic - Everton/West Ham
Celtic - Arsenal
Villareal - City
Aalborg - Tottenham

[ATH10]

Although the Liverpool game was 2 weeks after the Super Cup ;).

[AgentZero]

Berbas flick for ronaldo's 2nd is seriously fapworthy

[Barry]

Berbatov is such a classy player - there's too few of those around.

[AgentZero]

much agreement..its all pace and power and very little class.

[vanNistelrooy]

Will look forward to this Berbatov assist that you all talk about on MoTD.

[vanNistelrooy]

Now that's what we paid all that money for!

Class from Berba :cool:

[Phatmann]

Am I watching a different MOTD? :unsure:

EDIT: Just come on there, fucking class stuff from Berbs.

[AgentZero]

Anyone think rafael had a lousy night? i thought he was lacking in that confidence we always see.

[mufcsean]

Rafael didn't do anything wrong, he just didn't do anything :lol:

I thought Anderson was absolutely fantastic tonight. his passing was brilliant, looked like a black Scholes :erm:

Absolutely amazing bit of skill from Berbatov, great pass an'all.

Ronaldo celebrated :shocking:

Main disappointment tonight was that we took our foot of the gas in the second half, luckily West Ham didn't have it in them to do what Everton did.

[S-D-P]

Rafael didn't do anything wrong, he just didn't do anything :lol:

I thought Anderson was absolutely fantastic tonight. his passing was brilliant, looked like a black Scholes :erm:

Absolutely amazing bit of skill from Berbatov, great pass an'all.

Ronaldo celebrated :shocking:

Main disappointment tonight was that we took our foot of the gas in the second half, luckily West Ham didn't have it in them to do what Everton did.

ronaldo seemed like he was trying to make a point with that celebration, good solid win, bit dispointed we didnt push on but a good result all the same. Brilliance from berbatov

[AgentZero]

same sombre old celeb for the 2nd goal but tbh walking it over like that and the way we dominated at that point didnt require much of a celebration.

[Hunter]

He was definetely trying to make a point with that celebration no doubt. But that is the sort of passion we want to see from our players, even Mr. Cool aka Berbatov cracks out a cheeky smile after scoring. It's good to see Ronaldo at least trying to enjoy his football here again though, it has to be said, he's got a lot of making up to do but if he keeps playing like he did yesterday then it shouldn't take too long.

[TheBishop]

I'm sure if Ronaldo scores a goal in a really big game, you'll see a bigger celebration.

[skullverine]

Main disappointment tonight was that we took our foot of the gas in the second half, luckily West Ham didn't have it in them to do what Everton did.

It's better to save energy for the next game.

The Berbatov assist was class. I thought the ball went out so I was surprised when the ref didn't blow his whistle.

[nath_scfc]

The details tickets for us at Old Trafford have been released. Fifty notes. Jesus, I'm going to throw my guts up I think.

[Miggy]

Well you are going the "The Theatre of Dreams" :rolleyes:

[nath_scfc]

Not at that fucking price I aren't.

[Phil W.A.F.C]

Not at that fucking price I aren't.

Part time supporter :tongue:

[skullverine]

Part time supporter :tongue:

Just because that he doesn't want to pay 50 quid for a ticket doesn't make him a lesser of a fan.

[Phil W.A.F.C]

Just because that he doesn't want to pay 50 quid for a ticket doesn't make him a lesser of a fan.

It's called a joke mate, you took the bait when i expected it to be nath.

[AgentZero]

im so delighted carrick is back fit. I hope he features against Hull along with anderson and he showed against west ham he can mix up his play ... just hoping he breaks his duck.

[mufcsean]

Anderson's only goal for us was in the Champions league final shoot-out, but that doesn't count as a goal apparently :doh:

[Figо10]

Anderson's only goal for us was in the Champions league final shoot-out, but that doesn't count as a goal apparently :doh:
The coolest spot kick though :happy: My money was on Cech.

[vanNistelrooy]

The coolest spot kick though :happy: My money was on Cech.
He had the right idea though. No goalie was going to stay down the middle in that situation. John Terry should have gone straight down the middle IMO.

[wrathchild_uk]

We can't defend from set pieces or crosses..

[vanNistelrooy]

Ronaldo on for a perfect hat trick?

[papa]

Ronaldo on for a perfect hat trick?

I'd put money on it. Only needs a right foot goal now.

[vanNistelrooy]

Exactly.

My money would be on SAF bringing him off before he gets a chance to = Angry Ronaldo

[Figо10]

Looking great at half time.

All three goals off the woodwork and in :D

[Phatmann]

This is getting a little worrying. :mellow:

[wrathchild_uk]

Wat the fuck why have we gone 3 up front and taken carrick off for giggs...Fergie has fucked the team up abit.

[I.N Extasy]

What. The. Fuck.

4-3. :huh:

Edit: That was close!

[skullverine]

They got a soft penalty. I can't remember when was the last time that United conceded 3 at home.

[vanNistelrooy]

Chelsea I would imagine.

[Zoolander]

I hope Spurs beat or draw with Liverpool.

[vanNistelrooy]

I hope Spurs beat or draw with Liverpool.
:no:

[Guillermo]

Yet again we've been poor second half. Happened with Liverpool, Chelsea and Everton. I was a tad worried before the game that Hull could shock us, so the fact we won is all that matters. Shame we couldn't have improved our goal difference at 4-1 considering Chelsea's is +12 better. :mellow:

[vanNistelrooy]

Remember that unlike Chelsea, we are yet to peak.

Was always going to be awkward adjusting our already impressive frontline of Rooney and Tevez to accomodate Berbatov. Give it time and we'll be free flowing ;)

That said, I can't help but feel that with Queiroz gone, we're missing a bit of flair. Happened when he left for Madrid too :unsure:

[skullverine]

It's understandable for this game though. At 4-1, you would want your players to save their energy for the Celtic match.
And, I hope we'll stop taking short corners now.

[wrathchild_uk]

I just think Fergie got it wrong....we were 4 - 1 up and he decides to play 3 up front which made the game more open for Hull, then he takes off Carrick and brings on Giggs...so by that point we have no defensive player in the midfield. Fair play to Hull though as they didn't give up!

[Meyyappan]

Okay we are getting outgunned in any stadium against you guys next week but i would never ever think of sacking wenger

[skullverine]

The substitutions he made today were off. If Tevez had to come on, it should've been for one of the strikers. Fletcher should've been the one to replace Carrick.
Credit to the Hull fans too. From what I can judge on the tv, they outsung the home fans for a large portion of the match.

[wrathchild_uk]

I hope Spurs beat or draw with Liverpool.

I dunno about that as Liverpool now seem to be the new kings of winning 1 - 0 ;)

[Lord Shrimpeh]

We seem to be a bit complacent this season and switch off in matches which we didn't do last year. Still, we have the quality and probably the best attacking play in the league. If we don't win the league it will be due to complacency and the fact someone else wants it more. Liverpool is a worry but remember Arsenal last season? I hope they fuck it up like Arsenal did.

[mufcsean]

:D Liverpool lost, Chelsea are looking awesome though, did Ronaldo celebrate his goals

[vanNistelrooy]

By the sound of things Chelsea's second goal was clearly offside, and Sunderland (Keano included) went downhill from there.

[Keyser Soze]

Hats off to Hull for putting up a decent fight. I think sooner or later, it's going to be a 2 horse race between us and you for the title. By the sound of things Chelsea's second goal was clearly offside, and Sunderland (Keano included) went downhill from there.
By the sight of things, we absolutely raped Sunderland through the whole 90 minutes and the floodgates opened after the first regardless. Sunderland didn't get in our faces enough from the get-go and it's one of them games where we could have easily got another five.

Honestly, biasness aside.. I know you haven't seen the game but whether the second was offside or not (I haven't seen it yet), it's almost irrelevant.

[vanNistelrooy]

Hats off to Hull for putting up a decent fight. I think sooner or later, it's going to be a 2 horse race between us and you for the title.
I see Liverpool with more of a chance than us. We have looked off the pace since day one, and have that Club Championship thingy to play in.

[AgentZero]

christ almighty what is wrong with the players' focus.

[S-D-P]

disappointed we conceded three goals but a good win against a good side. Though berbatov was amazing, he was involved in every attack we had and almost seemed to playing the rooney role to great effect

[mufcsean]

I see Liverpool with more of a chance than us. We have looked off the pace since day one, and have that Club Championship thingy to play in.

:fplm: Not looking forward to that at all.

[doyin]

By the sound of things Chelsea's second goal was clearly offside, and Sunderland (Keano included) went downhill from there.

It even looked like the first two were offside but nope, they werent, if you watch it again, sunderland were always keeping anelka and alex onside from the right

[vanNistelrooy]

So Anelka's first, where he touched the ball just infront of the line, beyond both the last defender and the goalie, WASN'T offside???

[doyin]

So Anelka's first, where he touched the ball just infront of the line, beyond both the last defender and the goalie, WASN'T offside???

i have the match recorded here, and i can rewind that part a hundred times, and Alex scored first, the goals where basically the same and a defender was keeping them onside

[CaptainCabinet]

i have the match recorded here, and i can rewind that part a hundred times, and Alex scored first, the goals where basically the same and a defender was keeping them onside

You're an idiot.

Anelka's first goal.
When Alex wins the challenge he knocks the ball forward to Anelka who is in an offside position, who then taps the ball in to the net (stealing the goal from Alex as it was going in).


Edit: Why this is in here I'll never know.

[somegooner]

I thought I clicked on the Chelsea thread by accident.

[AgentZero]

can't wait till saturday...The game should be a corker, both teams needing the win pretty bad to stay in contention for the moment.
Currently both not at its defensive best but i can see us pulling up winning by the solitary goal.

[TheBishop]

can't wait till saturday...The game should be a corker, both teams needing the win pretty bad to stay in contention for the moment.
Currently both not at its defensive best but i can see us pulling up winning by the solitary goal.

Out of the games between the top 4, Arsenal - Man Utd are the most exciting, in my opinion. If it's anything like last season's game, it should be very entertaining.

Unfortunately, i can see you winning too. :(

[AgentZero]

i would be surprisded if the eventual victors win by 2 or more goals,in saying this i think Celtic will ptobably win in glasgow.

[mufcsean]

I think we'll draw with Celtic, but i think we will beat Arsenal, no van Persie, Adebayor, Walcott and possibly no Gallas.

Gallas and Adebayor are the main players i'm pleased about, they always get goals against us.

[Guillermo]

Apparently Foster's starting tomorrow. Good times. :smug:

[mufcsean]

Yeah, until he gets injured again :fplm:

[I.N Extasy]

I'll need to get some sleep during the day tomorrow, the match is on TV! At one in the morning...:doh:

Looking forward to seeing Foster play. ;)

I hope we don't slip up against Arsenal. Theoretically, we shouldn't, but these kinds of games don't fill me with any confidence. :no:

[Phatmann]

Apparently Foster's starting tomorrow. Good times. :smug:
:smug: Is Kuszczak injured then or is Fergie just giving Foster a game as he needs to get some games under his belt?

[vanNistelrooy]

The latter.

[Guillermo]

Are we the only team this season not to have conceded in the Champions League now?

[mufcsean]

Yes, but i can see us conceding tomorrow to be honest.

[AgentZero]

celtic at home will be on their game, so yeh lately the defence is fairly inconsistent and Celtic on paper is better than Hull and they managed 3 at old trafford.

[skullverine]

The traveling squad: Kuszczak, Foster, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, O'Shea, Rafael, Evans, Possebon, Anderson, Fletcher, Nani, Ronaldo, Gibson, Giggs, Carrick, Park, Tevez, Berbatov, Rooney.

From BBC.
I think O'shea should start at right back tonight.

[AgentZero]

wow Possebon is fit again?! Hope he plays a bit part role.

[mufcsean]

wtf Possebon :w00t

[Top Gun]

Possebon has been back for a while, he has scored twice for the reserves since his return.

Foster should definitely start ahead of Kuszczak, I don't understand why Kuszczak is even at the club tbh.

[mufcsean]

Completely agree about Kuszczak, don't rate him at all, what ever happened to that young Mexican goalkeeper we were supposed to be getting, OChoa or summat?

[wrathchild_uk]

Yea i would prefer to see Foster playing ahead of Kuszczak every time.

[vanNistelrooy]

1-1 final score, with Fletcher scoring for us.

[vanNistelrooy]

Erm, I know we have a big game on Saturday, but whaaaaaaaaa?

Foster
da Silva
Ferdinand
Vidic
O'Shea
Ronaldo
Fletcher
Carrick
Nani
Tevez
Giggs

SUBS
Kuszczak
Evra
Anderson
Berbatov
Rooney
Park
Evans

[mufcsean]

What is fergie thinking, should have started Berbatov or Rooney instead of Giggs

[uA - 1905]

Who the hell is da Silva?

[ihitbaboons]

rafael da silva.

Young right back

[wrathchild_uk]

I hate it when Giggs player as a striker..hope this doesn't backfire on Fergie

[mufcsean]

When was the last time Ronaldo scored a free kick?

EDIT: Shit, what a goal
EDIT: 20:16, Foster is spilling shit for fun.

[wrathchild_uk]

My god Giggs/Tevez playing upfront together looked rather unimpressive..

[mufcsean]

We have been very average so far, i expect Rooney to come on for Nani, with Giggs going out wide

EDIT: How We Arent level is on beyond me?

Thankfully Villareal are drawing at the moment

21:31, we deserve to be back in this, what an effort it was Ronaldo

21:40, how the hell did Berbatov miss that :no:

[50!]

Berbatov. :(

[mufcsean]

We should have won that at the end, but 1-1 is probably the right result.

Celtic were excellent in the first half and we were average at best. Second half was all us and we absolutely dominated.

Must say i thought Giggs had an awful game, despite getting the equaliser. he gave the ball away nearly everytime he touched it, constantly stepping over the ball or trying to the flick with the outside of the boot and trying to run on to it. Not once did it come off :(

Nani was awful as per usual also.

Why Fergie played that team i don't know, the way we have been playing lately he really couldn't afford to drop our bigger players. Not the slightest bit looking forward to Arsenal on Saturday, even if Adebayor & co. are out

[wrathchild_uk]

Yea exactly i did fear the worst when we started with that line up, it seems that when ever we try to rest players in a match we always end up bringing them on anyway, we should have just done it the other way round...

[mufcsean]

Agreed, we could have started them, tried getting the job done early and then rested who ever then

[AgentZero]

cant help but blame foster fo the first goal...delicate chip that it was i think he could of managed it better.

[skullverine]

I was hoping to see Foster's trademark of long-range kicks. Anyway, Giggs was poor apart from the goal. O'shea did ok once he switched to right back, at least he made some good positioning but his crosses was disappointing.

[Joel]

cant help but blame foster fo the first goal...delicate chip that it was i think he could of managed it better.

If Rafael was at right back instead of the defensive midfield position (:huh:) McDonald would have never had that amount of time to compose himself.

[Figо10]

Charlton Receives Flak For Ronaldo's Best Comments

Sir Bobby Charlton has been criticised by Johnny Giles for saying that Cristiano Ronaldo is a better player than the late, great, Manchester United legend George Best.

In an interview with Four Four Two magazine, Sir Bobby Charlton was quizzed over who was the superior player out of two of Manchester United's iconic number 7s: Cristiano Ronaldo, or the late George Best.

Charlton said that Best could turn anyone inside out, but Ronaldo was probably stronger and faster.

Former Manchester United midfielder Johnny Giles, a team-mate of Sir Bobby and a player who left the club the year that Best joined, believes that Charlton was wrong to answer the journalist's comparisons.

"Bobby is an individual who never blows his own trumpet and puts himself down in relation to some of today's players," Giles told RTE. "I don't think it's right... If Bobby genuinely feels that way, and I'm sure he does, it's fair enough but I don't think anybody could describe Ronaldo as being better than Best," he said.

"Anyone watching that match tonight [Celtic], apart from the shot he had that made the goal, saw it was not an aberration. You never saw Best do some of the things Ronaldo did tonight and in other matches.

"I saw Best have poor games and he was a genius but I never saw him indulge himself in the way Ronaldo does.

"I'm surprised by Charlton's comments," Giles continued. "You have to bear in mind Bobby is Manchester United and a huge, iconic figure around the world of football. He's employed as a director by Manchester United and gave great service as a player.

"I have the deepest respect for Bobby, everyone who knows him knows he's a wonderful man but he gets asked questions and dragged into it and making these invidious comparisons," the 67-year old added.

"There's really no question Best would never have done things you've seen Ronaldo doing tonight. Entertainment is beating three players and pulling the ball back for someone to stick it into the net. That's what football entertainment is.

"Ronaldo does it occasionally but, on a lot of other occasions, he's indulging himself. It's not entertainment and it certainly doesn't entertain me."
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=9511 47

[AgentZero]

fairplay to johnny but i hold the view that Ronaldo is a better footballer, as in as an athlete than Best.
Best is a legend and Ronaldo hasnt come close to eclipsing him. Is just that in this professional age the better athlete nou doubtedly is Ronaldo and the footballing genius is Best.

[Original?]

fairplay to johnny but i hold the view that Ronaldo is a better footballer, as in as an athlete than Best.
Best is a legend and Ronaldo hasnt come close to eclipsing him. Is just that in this professional age the better athlete nou doubtedly is Ronaldo and the footballing genius is Best.

Comparing physical attributes is rather ridiculous. With the ball at his feet Best.

[TheBishop]

I just think it's pointless comparing players from the 60's, 70's to players of today. The modern game has moved on. Ronaldo is bound to be stronger and quicker than Best was.

[AgentZero]

no as in Ronaldo is faster, stronger, has a better shot and generally more athletic and probably could last longer than best and endure longer campaigns than best. Whereas what George had cannot be taught or learnt.

[Original?]

no as in Ronaldo is faster, stronger, has a better shot and generally more athletic and probably could last longer than best and endure longer campaigns than best. Whereas what George had cannot be taught or learnt.

Saying the same thing again doesn't make it any different, fitness levels in the game have moved on from Best's era and the likelihood is that what you said is true. It cannot however be held against players from the past.

[AgentZero]

im just compounding what Bobby said and im sure its the same context he meant it.

[Billy Minof]

If Ronaldo leaves United then you will all say that he will never be as good as Best, if he stays then you will always debate it but IMO he isnt better than Best but could be.

[vanNistelrooy]

Ronaldo has a better shot than Best???

Best>>>Ronaldo

[skullverine]

I just think it's pointless comparing players from the 60's, 70's to players of today. The modern game has moved on. Ronaldo is bound to be stronger and quicker than Best was.

I agree. The ball and boots they used were probably a lot heavier back then.

[Meyyappan]

If Ronaldo leaves United then you will all say that he will never be as good as Best, if he stays then you will always debate it but IMO he isnt better than Best but could be.

Yes and if his intention was not to move to Madrid or yours to buy him,i am sure you wouldnt care either.;)

[mufcsean]

Ronaldo is nowhere near as good as what Best was.

[wrathchild_uk]

This whole Hargreaves situation is starting to get abit worrying...

Owen Hargreaves has flown to the United States in a bid to find a solution to his mystery long-term knee injury and salvage his

The England midfielder recently visited specialists in Sweden and London who failed to find an answer to the persistent tendonitis problem that has restricted Hargreaves to just three appearances this season.

And he has now been sent to world renowned surgeon Dr Richard Steadman amid growing fears that the player could require major surgery, or even that his career could come to a premature end.

United manager Sir Alex Ferguson said: "We have been trying to manage the situation and the way we have been trying to manage it has not given us an answer.

"Over the past ten days he has been to see a specialist in Sweden and sent him to a specialist in London and he is now in Colorado at the moment seeing Mr Steadman who is a very well regarded and respected doctor in these particular types of injuries.

"What we are trying to do now is get to the root of it because the lad has been frustrated and patient and we have never really got to the bottom of his problem.

"But we really need to speed that up now and that is why we have sent him to the best people available to try and get an opinion on where we go from here.

"He is now in Colorado and we are waiting for information to come back. He has been carrying it for too long for us to hope that injections are just going to do the trick."

Hargreaves, 27, has so far made just 17 league starts for United since joining from Bayern Munich before the start of last season and Ferguson admitted the situation is causing concern.

He added: "Owen has come back for different games and then been out again and it is frustrating for the lad and we are trying to help him."

Ferguson has been handed better news after Paul Scholes stepped up his recovery from a knee problem, enabling him to target a December return.

The manager said: "Paul Scholes has started training. It's only straight running and nothing serious but it's good to see him overcome the injury itself and move onto the next part of his rehabilitation.

"I think he will be available to go to the World Club Championship in Japan. That's what we have pencilled in."


http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/07112008/58/premier-league-hargreaves-career-danger.html

[skullverine]

It was a big risk to sign him in the first place.

Anyway, Wes is out and Fletcher is a doubt according to manutd.com

I'd start Park on the right and Ronaldo on the left.

EDIT: 3000th post

[mufcsean]

I'd play a 4-3-3 as their defence is looking worse than ours

[AgentZero]

Carrick Anderson Park and ROnaldo for the midfield.
Park did a bang up job against chelski and im sure he can replicate his performances.

[Hunter]

I'm going to miss the match as I've got my own match to play. Noooo!

[vanNistelrooy]

Predictions?

I usually worry about games like this, but for some reason I don't this year round? I think us winning the Champions League has taken a lot of the "worry" out of football for me, as I'd been dreading we wouldn't win it again for longer than we actually did.

[AgentZero]

but potentially being 8 points adrift isnt comforting

[vanNistelrooy]

Still, we would have got 3/4 of our hardest games out the way.

[Figо10]

Still, we would have got 3/4 of our hardest games out the way.
The fourth being?

[vanNistelrooy]

Citeh.

[Cannon ball]

Citeh.

Your strikers will have a field day against our defence.

[vanNistelrooy]

It's a derby though. In fact, it's a derby that all our players never seem to be interested in.

[AgentZero]

Line up:
Edwin
Rio
Vidic
Neville
Evra
Ronaldo
Carrick
Anderson
Rooney
Berba

i should get 10 pts for correct midfield prediction!

[Figо10]

Line up:
Edwin
Rio
Vidic
Neville
Evra
Ronaldo
Carrick
Anderson
Rooney
Berba

i should get 10 pts for correct midfield prediction!
That's a little lightweight to start with.. :erm:

[Dragonfly]

Line up:
Edwin
Rio
Vidic
Neville
Evra
Ronaldo
Carrick
Anderson
Rooney
Berba

i should get 10 pts for correct midfield prediction!

10 men? I hope so.

[I.N Extasy]

10 men? I hope so.

:chanlaugh:

[Miggy]

Park's classy.

[AgentZero]

forgot park...anyways fairly evident Nev is going to have a struggle.

[Guillermo]

:faceplm:

[Dragonfly]

fairly evident Nev is going to have a struggle.

He's doing just fine.

[AgentZero]

:faceplm: carrick was nowhere near that....

[Dragonfly]

:fplm: carrick was nowhere near that....

I thought he didn't touch him at first, but I thought he clipped Diaby after watching the replay.

[AgentZero]

to be fair it was a lazy attempt and quite sure he did clip him. Regardless of being a goal down it was a decent half.

[vanNistelrooy]

If we're not going to get a penalty for that, we won't get one for anything.

Creating openings, but can't pick out the final pass. When we do, we waste it.

Here's hoping for a draw out of this game.

[AgentZero]

wayne had 2 clear cut chances he blew wide. Need to sort his shooting boots

[wrigh2uk]

If we're not going to get a penalty for that, we won't get one for anything.

Creating openings, but can't pick out the final pass. When we do, we waste it.

Here's hoping for a draw out of this game.

This ain't Old Trafford now mate, they don't give a penalty out for free down at the Emirates :happy:

[Viperized]

I thought he didn't touch him at first, but I thought he clipped Diaby after watching the replay.
That's what I thought. Plus he was running pretty quick.

[vanNistelrooy]

They do if you're wearing red ;)

Anyway, I thought John Terry was the only player who was allowed to get away with blatent handballs like that? :erm:

[Dragonfly]

They do if you're wearing red ;)

Anyway, I thought John Terry was the only player who was allowed to get away with blatent handballs like that? :erm:

Are you talking about when Neville took the ball away from us? I agree.

[vanNistelrooy]

With his arms down by his side, compared to Clichy's Boeing 747 impression?