Manchester United

[AgentZero]

Ronaldo imo shouldnt be playing with his back to goal so often.

[Ziss]

I'm not sure on the final statistics, but it was only 54/46% in Barcelona's favour after an hour. The trouble was all our possession was in our own half and we didn't look like wanting to break through. The amount of overhit Carrick cross field balls had me in tears.
We just need a midfielder who can carry the ball. Ronaldo plays too advanced to really be considered a "midfielder", so we don't currently have one. Apparently we have enquired into Ribery, who could be an excellent addition and just the player we're after, but apparently they want more than the £34m figure I've heard thrown about.

Tevez can go too. Although his workrate is second to none, he just doesn't score enough. We've already seen what Berba can do from his Tottenham days, and that was with a much weaker team. Another season, this time with him knowing he's not second fiddle to a player who's picked ahead of him because he does a lot more running, will surely show us the Berbatov that we shelled out £30m+ for.

[AgentZero]

hmm must agree, i do anticipate at how berba will pan out should carlitos (more than likely) is to go. As i said earlier..roll on 09/10, been a brilliant season and this defeat to a great barca team shouldnt be a a huge negative. A fit Hargreaves is also something im looking forward to.

[Mullet Taylor]

don't forget chelsea were cheated and barca shouldn't have even been in the final

time for neville and scholes to call it a day ? expierenced but anytime they play they're just taking valuable learning expierence away from others

van der sar also leaving ? i know Boruc is leaving celtic with bayern apparently interested, i don't see why Utd shouldn't havea look. he's 29 and these will be his glory years

[fick]

Ah well, there's always next year :mellow:

I really was very upset with our defending this evening. The one real strong point for the season was our faliure. Vidic was turned far too easily and how the hell Messi was allowed somuch space for the second I'll never know.

Through the whole game we allowed Iniesta and Xavi far too much room.

Saying that, after the first goal Barca settled well and deserved the victory.

On a final note, Puyol wasa fucking beast. Outplayed everone who went up against him and covered somuch distance pushing forwards & tracking back. Easily the best player on the pitch.

[Bish]

Players like Scholes, Giggs and Neville can still be decent squad options in certain league, cup games but not against opposition like Barcelona.

I thought it before the game and obviously the result has confirmed it, but Fletcher being out really was a huge loss for Utd. If there's one player you'd want in there to at least try and unsettle the likes of Xavi and Iniesta it would've been him.

On the whole though, Utd still have quite a young squad. Their missing pace in certain areas. Ribery though would be a ridiculously good signing.

[Haribo]

van der sar also leaving ? i know Boruc is leaving celtic with bayern apparently interested, i don't see why Utd shouldn't havea look. he's 29 and these will be his glory years
We've already got a calamity keeper in Kuszczak, we don't need two.

[AgentZero]

Kusczak the pride poland is enough dont need two polish prides.

[Foxhound]

They deserved the victory. Had United earlier, things might go differently. Congratulations to Barcelona.

[Mullet Taylor]

fuck barca tbh. they had a massive helping hand in getting to that final. im just dissapointed in Utd's display and even their tactics. why they didn't park the bus like chelsea i'll never know. utd failed in trying to play open. the last time i seen utd play so bad was when liverpool spanked yous at old trafford.

message to fergie : fuck off with rooney on the left, get him up front where he belongs! especially against the better opposition. Rooney looks amazing on the left against weaker teams. stop wasting rooney on the left ! he'll never be as deadly as Henry floating in from the left

[fick]

message to fergie : fuck off with rooney on the left, get him up front where he belongs! especially against the better opposition. Rooney looks amazing on the left against weaker teams. stop wasting rooney on the left ! he'll never be as deadly as Henry floating in from the left

Dude, you are seriously going to wear out my :faceplm:.

:faceplm:

Rooney is not an out and out striker. He has been damn effective on the left covering and linking with Evra. Personally I see him more AMF, replacing the Scholes role when the ginger genious hangs up his size 3's.

Let's face it, Rooney will never be a prolific scorer, but he'll make many for others.

[Mullet Taylor]

if you ask rooney his position he'll always say striker. im sure ronaldo could make a great defender but where would the sense be in playing him right back

roberto carlos was a better attacker than defender yet he remained at leftback

rooney is just a sheer team player. he'd play in defence if it meant he'd get a game. i wish he'd tell fergie straight : play me where i belong.

and who says he won't create chances for his strike partner if given the chance at an entire season up front ?

[fick]

and who says he won't create chances for his strike partner if given the chance at an entire season up front ?

:faceplm:

Look how he plays when up front... see how deep he drops to pick up the ball? See how he surges forwards and looks to link with other players?

AMF. Simple as that. He has all the right qualities for the role & would likely relish the freedom it would give.

If you ever see a game, you'll seehow his performance wanes (pardon the pun) as his frustration at not scoring grows. His own lack of scoring ruins his game.

Remove that pressure & let him play & I'd guaren-damn-tee you'd see a better Rooney.

[Mullet Taylor]

trying to tell me fergie won't try and get a lift winger ? if nani was a success in skinning cunts rotten and always getting great balls into the box that rooney wouldn't be up front ?

rooney is just playing there because hes utd's best solution for that role atm.

i'd love to know what copello would make of rooney playing on the left...

[fick]

trying to tell me fergie won't try and get a lift winger ? if nani was a success in skinning cunts rotten and always getting great balls into the box that rooney wouldn't be up front ?

rooney is just playing there because hes utd's best solution for that role atm.

i'd love to know what copello would make of rooney playing on the left...

Fuck me. :faceplm: Are we having the same discussion here?

I never said Rooney'sbest position was on the left. I believe I said it was AMF. I did didn't I? I'm beginning to doubt myself now.

The reason Sir Alex plays Rooney on the left is because we effectively played a 4-5-1. Ronaldo up top for his pace and Rooney/Park wide as they will track back & both have the work rate and stamina to do a particular job. It's called tactics.

As for the leather faced cunt Capello, he still refuses to accept he's using what is essentially the same squad as his 4 predecessors and it didn't work then & it still won't work now. Capello is not the answer.

[Keyser Soze]

Rooney's best position OBVIOUSLY isn't Scholes' role. :lol: You're talking shit.

And sorry to bombard into this thread in these tough times. Unlucky lads.

[Mullet Taylor]

LOL listen to you. Sir Alex. do you stand up and salute when you see him on t.v ?

[Charlie]

Are you sauced on WKD tonight, Mullet?

[fick]

Rooney's best position OBVIOUSLY isn't Scholes' role. :lol: You're talking shit.

Just my opinion. I see a great playmaker and not a 20-30 goals a season striker.

[Mullet Taylor]

nah just doing my usual rounds of rattling cages and see who bites the bait

[fick]

LOL listen to you. Sir Alex. do you stand up and salute when you see him on t.v ?

Respect where it's due...

nah just doing my usual rounds of rattling cages and see who bites the bait

...obviously not here then...

[Mullet Taylor]

says mr facepalm. if you weren't bothered in the slightest you

a) wouldn't have replied to me
and
b) wouldn't have used so many facepalms :)


Rooney for scholes though, good thinkin batman (!)

[Joel]

As for the leather faced cunt Capello, he still refuses to accept he's using what is essentially the same squad as his 4 predecessors and it didn't work then & it still won't work now. Capello is not the answer.

Wow. Croatia 1-4 England says "hello!".

[AgentZero]

how long did it take to find that one Joel? Would mickey benefit in having a wee maestro like Xavi beside him? The annoying coverage here started of by harping how Xavi never loses possesion...in the first few minutes anderson tracks back and disposses him.

[50!]

van der sar also leaving ? i know Boruc is leaving celtic with bayern apparently interested, i don't see why Utd shouldn't havea look. he's 29 and these will be his glory years

:lol:

I honestly hope for your sake that you weren't being serious.

[Foxhound]

Players like Scholes, Giggs and Neville can still be decent squad options in certain league, cup games but not against opposition like Barcelona.



I agree. I have a feeling that next season will be their last. Same goes to Van der Sar.

I'd like to say that Fletcher was hugely missed.

Anyway, I'm not that gutted that United lost, because it wasn't decided on dodgy ref's decision. This season, I admit that Barcelona are the best team.

It's been a long season, and I'm happy that United managed to win the League Cup, World Club Cup and the Premier-ship.

Roll on 09/10. Hopefully, Hargreaves will be able to get a run of games without getting injured. It'll be like signing a new player.

[AgentZero]

ive decided that im going to get carrick for the new jersey.

[mufcsean]

ive decided that im going to get carrick for the new jersey.

Of all the times to decide that you do it after that performance last night? :laugh:

[Haribo]

I think he meant he's paying for Carrick to be shipped to New Jersey. :shfty:

[fick]

Wow. Croatia 1-4 England says "hello!".

Basically I have no faith in a man who takes off a tall target man/striker then brings on the best (and probably only decent) crosser of a ball immediately after...

Chewbacca Defense?

I'd like to say that Fletcher was hugely missed.


I've never been a fan of Fletcher to be honest, but his 'spoiling' ability and work rate would certainly have not gone amiss. Especially as Giggs & Anderson didn't seem to want to break a sweat...

[nath_scfc]

It seems the Scholes to us rumours might actually have some validity :huh:

[BarnDoor]

I can almost smell the bullshit emanating from Stoke down here. If it happens I'll gorge on Phil Brown's cock.

[uA - 1905]

'If it does come down to Messi against Ronaldo, well, Messi is one of the best players in the world, but give me Ronaldo. Messi is wonderful on the right but Ronaldo is terrific on the right, the left and through the middle as well. He also scores goals with his head, which Messi couldn’t do even if they put a top hat on him.'

El Tel before the game

[AgentZero]

Of all the times to decide that you do it after that performance last night? :laugh:
the haters will pile up...then mickey will have another outstanding season in the prem and ill look awesome with a carrick kit..:w00t:happy:

[requiem7]

The Utd didn't turn up which was a shame. But Xavi and Iniesta were amazing.
The Utd support there was amazing. Even met some guy from north africa who spent 3 thousand dollars to fly over to Rome!

Even when the 2nd goal went in the Utd fans still gave it their all till all hope was lost.

The build up to the game was fantastic. The stadium was buzzing till kick off.
The journey back from the stadium was murder.

Looking forward to next season but a nice break from football is needed!

[Foxhound]

Even when the 2nd goal went in the Utd fans still gave it their all till all hope was lost.



Yeah. The fans singing The Red Flag can easily be heard on TV during the 80+ minute.

Regarding Scholes, I don't see him in a Stoke shirt. He'd most likely go to Oldham if he decides to leave United.

[mufcsean]

Yeah. The fans singing The Red Flag can easily be heard on TV during the 80+ minute.

Regarding Scholes, I don't see him in a Stoke shirt. He'd most likely go to Oldham if he decides to leave United.

Yes, he has said many a time that when he leaves United he will play for Oldham for a year then retire, I'm from Oldham and i know a lot of Oldham fans, usually they hate United players but they all love Scholes, he goes watching them all the time.

[nath_scfc]

In fairness, he said this weekend in the Telegraph the whole Oldham thing was blown up a bit too much. He said while he went to watch Oldham, it was only because he couldn't go to Man Ure games.

I still don't think we'll get him, but we're definitely looking to try to tempt him.

Only thing what puts a bit of doubt in my mind that we might do are two things. That Telegraph interview about how he's not wanting to sit on a bench for a final year of his career and how he kept the captains armband vs. Barca. I think it'd be a great move for all parties, though.

[dotty]

Unfortunate the game was lost in Midfield, I think someone of Diego stature would have beenand ideal buy some fresh blood in midfield is needed now and a right back.

[Foxhound]

So, do you think that we'll see Tevez in a United shirt next season?

[AgentZero]

i dont think carlitos will be back. Im tired of the whole fiasco, if he clearly wants to stay with his mates then break the contract with MSI.

[Meyyappan]

How can he do that?

[Ziss]

It would help if he didn't give an interview everyday, saying he's leaving.

I'm fed up with the fella, I just hope he doesn't move to another Premiership team.

[requiem7]

Unfortunate the game was lost in Midfield, I think someone of Diego stature would have beenand ideal buy some fresh blood in midfield is needed now and a right back.

Well I feel Anderson is still developing and the midfield was missing some guile.
Fletcher compliments Carrick by being busy. I think Fletcher could be a very important player next season. He is reaching the stage of his career that he must make his position in midfield is own.

I think Utd need a creative midfielder though. A maverick that takes the game by the scruff of the neck. A fighter and leader of men. That was missing in Rome a midfielder that could feed the front men.

[Joel]

i dont think carlitos will be back. Im tired of the whole fiasco, if he clearly wants to stay with his mates then break the contract with MSI.

So you want Tevez to pay MSI with his own money, so then you can pick him up for nothing? Pretty ridiculous.

[requiem7]

So you want Tevez to pay MSI with his own money, so then you can pick him up for nothing? Pretty ridiculous.

I think the Tevez thing is really puzzling. When a player is contracted to a club they sign for so many years and then it expires.
His conract with the company that has loaned him to Man Utd will not run out till someone buys him?

I find that really strange.

[Hunter]

From what I've heard, he's able to break the contract himself if he is held against his personal freedom and human rights - or something along those lines anyway. I imagine he could quite easily have a case as this whole MSI company is standing in the way of him and making a living to put it bluntly. Tevez is a good player, but he's simply not worth £25m plus the £10m already paid, it's ridiculous.

[AgentZero]

So you want Tevez to pay MSI with his own money, so then you can pick him up for nothing? Pretty ridiculous.not quite amigo...like someone stated earlier unlike a football club this is like some hybrid agency that owns his economic rights. He wont be released unless he fires them or breaks contract. Also we've already made some intial capital for the loan anyways, so not free at all.

[wrathchild_uk]

I think Utd need a creative midfielder though. A maverick that takes the game by the scruff of the neck.

I thought that was what Anderson was supposed to be though?

[requiem7]

I thought that was what Anderson was supposed to be though?

He is. But still lacking a little experience I think. But he's not far of the finished article.

[wrathchild_uk]

I'm not so sure at the moment and it concerns me that he's yet to score a goal in two seasons....based on his current shooting ability i can't see him scoring anytime soon.

[Mullet Taylor]

anderson and nani...how much did they cost ?

[Meyyappan]

Some 38m

[Joel]

I'm not so sure at the moment and it concerns me that he's yet to score a goal in two seasons....based on his current shooting ability i can't see him scoring anytime soon.

It's not like you've needed any goals from him yet, so it shouldn't be a big concern.

Who changed the title of the thread? :lol:

[wrathchild_uk]

Of course but considering he's Brazilian you'd have thought he was capable of actually hitting the target...his shots are terrible. If Ronaldo left we'd really need other players to start chipping in with a few goals including Anderson.

[Joel]

Fair enough, but I do think the "considering he is Brazilian..." thing to be rather foolish.

[requiem7]

Of course but considering he's Brazilian you'd have thought he was capable of actually hitting the target...his shots are terrible. If Ronaldo left we'd really need other players to start chipping in with a few goals including Anderson.

Well Celtic bought Rafael Felipe Scheidt as a defender. And he was rubbish!
Ronaldo's not leaving though. Next season I want to see Rooney play behind Berbatov up front. I think there would be goals there.

[Phatmann]

It's not like you've needed any goals from him yet, so it shouldn't be a big concern.

Who changed the title of the thread? :lol:
Guillermo suggested it, I actually changed it.

Anderson seems as though he'd be more effective as a holding midfielder rather than a central or attacking midfielder, mainly due to his inability to hit a cows arse with a banjo.

[wrathchild_uk]

The him being Brazilian bit was supposed to be a joke.. :blush:

[AgentZero]

remember wrath Kleberson was brazilian too...I think the future lies in holding mid for Anderson

[MoonSpell]

fast, strong and when fully fit he can be a handful for most defenders. he's probably newcastle's highest valuable player ?

[Haribo]

fast, strong and when fully fit he can be a handful for most defenders. he's probably newcastle's highest valuable player ?

Someone get rid of this idiot.

[Dragonfly]

How many time has he posted that, now? He must be Martins' agent and a bad one at that.

[uA - 1905]

I though he was talking about Ameobi?

[Foxhound]

http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_5363008,00.html

According to them, United have met the asking price for Tevez.

[requiem7]

So Carrick was playing with a broken toe?
You can't play such an important game with a broken toe!

[requiem7]

I also want Man Utd's supporters association to place an advert in that Spanish rag Marca?
To tell tell Real Madrid to fuck off regarding Ronaldo. Can I say that f.o?
If they want him, how about putting in a bid in excess of 75 million pounds.
that is all.

[NextBigThing]

hey what transfers in and out do you guys want to see at manchester united?

i want this

In :
Karim Benzema
Ribery/Antonio Valencia

Out:
Tevez(almost certain :/)
Ronaldo



oh yea formation

----------------------Van Der Sar----------------------
------Brown--------Vidic----------Ferdinand--------Evra


------Ribery/Valencia----Carrick---Anderson---------Park

--------------------Rooney/Benzema-------------------

---------------------------------Berbatov/Benzema-----

[AgentZero]

for 25M Benzema or Tevez??? Also this talk of madrid having to pay ronaldo personally 26M quids if they fail to sign him is pretty hilarious. The so called pre-contract agreement that madrid have had with the player and have been tiptoeing around since last august stipulates that should he not be signed by end of june they are liable for 26M to ronaldo personally.
It seems likely that his get out clause is well beyond madrids asking price and should they not excercise it they breach the personal terms signed. Even though United wont see any of the purported liability money its an unfortunate predicament madrid are in IF it is true (which i doubt).

[Haribo]

hey what transfers in and out do you guys want to see at manchester united?

i want this

In :
Karim Benzema
Ribery/Antonio Valencia

Out:
Tevez(almost certain :/)
Ronaldo


Well, what I want and what I think are different.

Want
In: Benzema, Tevez, Sakho
Out: Berbatov, Nani, Manucho, Kuszczak, Simpson

Think
In: Tevez, Dodo
Out: Manucho, Simpson, Gibson

I would add Ronaldo leaving to the want (Ribery, Moutinho and Veloso in), but it's too far fetched even for me.

[NextBigThing]

Woah we may get benzema !

[Foxhound]

I don't see United signing a big name player this year.

[AgentZero]

yeah likewise. I dont know how we would cope with another gun forward.

[Mjällharth]

Is Fraizer signing for Hull?

[mufcsean]

They are interested in signing him and Manucho but i can't see Fergie letting go of both, Manucho will probably go, not Campbell. They have put a bid in apparently but i can't see us letting him go.

[fick]

Woah we may get benzema !

Woah, I bloody well hope not!

[mufcsean]

same here i'd rather keep Tevez, if we did sign him i wouldn't be unhappy though :D

[Haribo]

Woah, I bloody well hope not!

:huh:

[HH]

I rate Frazier Campbell and think we could do with someone like him, especially now that Tristan and Di Michele have left.

[Top Gun]

£6m is good money for him. He's 21 and he's shown me nothing more than Macheda and Welbeck, who are both 17. They are both much better prospects.

Benzema is my dream signing this summer.

[Baddar]

They are interested in signing him and Manucho but i can't see Fergie letting go of both, Manucho will probably go, not Campbell. They have put a bid in apparently but i can't see us letting him go.

Bid accepted now.

I can't see us out-pricing Real for Valencia either. Perez wants to bring in as many players as possible to compete with Barca next season, and I think he needs to.

If not getting Valencia means we'll keep Tevez, then that's what I want to happen. I wouldn't mind the two of them though, obviously. >_>

[mufcsean]

Please tell me im not the only one who doesnt want Valencia. There are a lot, lot better players out there, and £16m is way too much for him. Im sure we could David Silva for a couple more, which IMO would be a better option.

[Top Gun]

Not at all dude, really never rated him that highly. I always thought UEFA Cup player at best, I would rather see more of Nani.

[Baddar]

I would rather see more of Nani.

:/















...I tried my best to add more to that. I really did.

[mufcsean]

To be honest i can't wait to see Nani leave, i have lost all patience with the guy. I am glad we are having a new kit this season as the shirt i had for last season had Nani on the back and i hate wearing it.

[AgentZero]

To be honest i can't wait to see Nani leave, i have lost all patience with the guy. I am glad we are having a new kit this season as the shirt i had for last season had Nani on the back and i hate wearing it.:laugh::tongue:....im gonna get carrick. So when are the new supposed to be unveiled??
Also the move for Campbell is good for him and club. Spending a season on the bench at spurs moved him down the order. Also as someone mentioned earlier saw the same in the lad in Macheda and Wellbeck. Also with emergence of Rafa and Fabio...could see Simpsons sold which is unfortunate as i saw a lot promise. Possebon could do with a loan for games too.

[Haribo]

I hope we stick a relegation buy-back clause in there for Campbell so we can get him for half the price. :lol:

It's a shame he's going as I wanted to see what he'd be like across a season in our first team squad. I certainly thought Manucho was more likely to be sold.

On Valencia, why are we actually bidding for him? Surely we should be making Tevez our top priority unless Fergie's resigned to losing him (and/or Ronaldo?). Valencia is a good player, but as you say, UEFA Cup quality. Or as I described him on msn, Everton-standard.

Silva didn't want to come here last summer, so I doubt he's had a change of heart.

[AgentZero]

Ferdinand isnt going to play any Qualifiers this June so theories of not being fully fit for the final are confirmed.
Im indifferent to Valencia, seems like the same old bag of chips we have in nani in what nani lacks with his delivery valencia isnt two-footed like him. Also dont count Tosic out yet and there is another serb coming if im not correct.

[requiem7]

I hope we stick a relegation buy-back clause in there for Campbell so we can get him for half the price. :lol:

It's a shame he's going as I wanted to see what he'd be like across a season in our first team squad. I certainly thought Manucho was more likely to be sold.

On Valencia, why are we actually bidding for him? Surely we should be making Tevez our top priority unless Fergie's resigned to losing him (and/or Ronaldo?). Valencia is a good player, but as you say, UEFA Cup quality. Or as I described him on msn, Everton-standard.

Silva didn't want to come here last summer, so I doubt he's had a change of heart.

We'll find out about Tevez after the international games. Apparently Utd will bid 25.5 million. We might need to buy a central defender unless we have somebody in the reserves to step up like Evans. Ferdinand's back worries me a lot. Perhaps he should stop his crazy celebrations for goals. Can't be good for his back!

[NextBigThing]

i don't see tevez going to man city now that manchester united big 25.5million for him judging by tevez character though he might just go to man city for the first team opportunities. But if tevez go i think manchester united will surely get another striker and for now it seems like benzema or hunterlaar

which do you guys prefer?

[Foxhound]

I agree with Top Gun. Hopefully, Nani will improve next season, especially his decision making. It pisses me off that he decides to have a pop at almost every opportunity. Plus, we have Tosic. I haven't seen much of this guy though.

As for the kit, I'd see how the away looks like. I doubt that I'll be getting the original though, I'm skint at the moment. I'd probably get Giggs or Ferdinand if I can find one.

[Haribo]

But if tevez go i think manchester united will surely get another striker and for now it seems like benzema or hunterlaar

which do you guys prefer?

Benzema, but Huntelaar is the cheaper option and would be more content to stay on the bench (if Rooney/Berbatov start). I can't see us even negotiating over Klaas without Ronaldo going the opposite direction, mind.

[Top Gun]

Should get to see a lot of Tosic in the U21's tournament coming up. Tbh I've seen fuck all from him, but I've heard he's supposed to be a brilliant free kick taker.

[Acquiesce]

Surely Utd could negotiate a swap plus a few million for Benzema, with Berbatov going the other way, letting him laze about France for a while.

[Foxhound]

Surely Utd could negotiate a swap plus a few million for Benzema, with Berbatov going the other way, letting him laze about France for a while.

Don't be ridiculous.

[AgentZero]

ya this isnt FM, no matter how much you want it to be. Berbatov will stay put after one season doubt the board will let him go after just one season, considering how much he costs and all this hate for his 'laziness' really gets on my tits, we didnt sign him because hes was a forward that chases balls down. He will never be and should never play like Tevez.
All i reckon United needs is another creative midfielder and experianced defender.

[Acquiesce]

What did yous sign him for then, his goal scoring prowess? 9 goals in 30 appearances this season?:faceplm:

[Mullet Taylor]

still though. very important goals

[Acquiesce]

Yeah some important goals, but in all fairness, he has been a disappointing signing. His arrogance on and off the field annoys me. It would be ok if he could back up his arrogance with good performances week in, week out(like the Ronaldos, Ibrahimovics of this world), but he can't. I'm actually suprised Ferguson went out on a limb to get the guy, considering his laid back, lazy style of play.

[Foxhound]

ya this isnt FM, no matter how much you want it to be. Berbatov will stay put after one season doubt the board will let him go after just one season, considering how much he costs and all this hate for his 'laziness' really gets on my tits, we didnt sign him because hes was a forward that chases balls down. He will never be and should never play like Tevez.
All i reckon United needs is another creative midfielder and experianced defender.
I agree with you. He has different style of play.

Yes, Berbatov had a disappointing goal-ratio considering his price tag, but we shouldn't write him off for that. Hell, Evra had a very disappointing first season with United, and now, he's established himself in the starting line-up, displacing Heinze, which I'm sure we all loved him before he started to act like a cunt.

To the people complaining that he always drops deep, it's because he was told to do so by Sir Alex.

[fick]

I agree with you. He has different style of play.

Yes, Berbatov had a disappointing goal-ratio considering his price tag, but we shouldn't write him off for that. Hell, Evra had a very disappointing first season with United, and now, he's established himself in the starting line-up, displacing Heinze, which I'm sure we all loved him before he started to act like a cunt.

To the people complaining that he always drops deep, it's because he was told to do so by Sir Alex.

While Berba is 'lazy' and hasn't really shone during the first year, he isn't the first at either and will hopefully improve/fit into the team.

Remember how lazy Cantona was? No? Too busy remembering the 5 mins in each game where he changed the outcome probably. LeTissier was the same. You overlook the negatives if they win games for you.

As for poor first seasons.. Andy Cole anyone? He was on fire at Newcastle, came to OT and bombed out for a year. Became a great assest the following years though.

Look at it this way... at least he wont be another Djemba Djemba... :unsure:

Edit: Yes, I know, but LeTiss is a good example of 5 minute a match players Ok!?

[AgentZero]

Berbas never gone beyond 20 in the pre.miership though so hes hardly ever been a goal machine. I think we benefited more through his 16 assists in the league alone.

you seem to mention all my favourite prem players of the 90s in one post...nice one (cept Djemba2)

[Winger]

It's a shame Campbell is going as I wanted to see what he'd be like across a season in our first team squad. I certainly thought Manucho was more likely to be sold.

I think Frazier Campbell is a solid player but, I am not surprised that he was sold and not Manucho. Frazier Campbell is a small forward with pace to burn, and we already have two small forwards (albeit not with the same level of blistering pace) in our squad, those being Rooney and Tevez (assuming he is signed permanently). Manucho on the otherhand is a big strapping fella, strong as an Ox, imposing in the air, with a decent turn of pace for a player of his stature. And his movement in and around the box has looked promising. He is far from being the finished article, and may never amount to anything worth a damn in terms of Manchester United quality (that is yet to be seen) but, he is the type of player we currently don't have in our ranks, that being an imposing forward who will play as the spearhead of the attack, comfortable with his back to goal, with strength and aerial ability in excess.

Berbatov is our only other option, really, yet he has clearly been given instructions to be the forward who drops off to collect possession and pull the strings. I don't see the reasoning behind that at all, not when we have Wayne Rooney who is brilliant at fulfilling said role, and is a natural fit to the position. And (at least as we speak) Carlos Tevez, too. Berbatov should be further up the pitch, using his close control and trickery to fox the oppoisition centre-backs in and around the area where it would make more of a difference, and when not doing that, making himself available for the ball forward to hold it up with his back to goal (which he is good at) or flicking it on for Rooney/Tevez, Ronaldo, Park, etc, to run onto. Manucho can (or should be able to) do all of the above, but with a twist. He does not possess the same trickey and close control but, he is more physically imposing, better in the air, and will put himself about a whole lot more.

What we have lost in Frazier Campbell, we effectivelly have in Danny Wellbeck, anyway. And Wellbeck is younger, stronger, arguably a more instictive finisher, and also has that turn of pace. We didn't need both, and £6m is a tidy sum for a yet unproven player at the top level.


On Valencia, why are we actually bidding for him? Surely we should be making Tevez our top priority unless Fergie's resigned to losing him (and/or Ronaldo?). Valencia is a good player, but as you say, UEFA Cup quality. Or as I described him on msn, Everton-standard.

I'm not exactly sold on the idea of Valencia, either. He is similar to Nani, just with a better work ethic. And where as Nani is good on either foot, Valencia seems to be a tad one footed. The only reasoning I can see behind this move is that it is one for the future, because Ronaldo is not going to be a Manchester United player for more than a few more seasons. Tosic, Park, and Nani, are our wide options when Ronaldo is taken out of the equation, so I can see the thought behind pulling in another winger but, I'd rather we put this supposed £16 toward trying to tempt Ribery to Old Trafford, as opposed to another gamble on a player with more potential than actual ability.

Nani (as much as he frustrates me) needs to be given another season, because he is young and was hardly given much of a chance to shine last season. He did do well in the domestic cups, where he was played consistantly. But he only got a fistful of limited chances in the league last season, mainly due to Park enjoying such good form. If Nani played the same amount of games as Valencia, who is to say he wouldn't have eclipsed the Wigan man for goals and assists.

To the people complaining that Berbatov always drops deep, it's because he was told to do so by Sir Alex.

Aye. It is worth mentioning. He is clearly doing what he has been asked to do which isn't the best role for him, nor the best fit for Manchester United. I'm hoping next season we shall see him further up the pitch, playing as a centre-forward.

[mufcsean]

What did yous sign him for then, his goal scoring prowess? 9 goals in 30 appearances this season?:faceplm:

We didn't know he was going to do that before we signed him did we you prat :lol:

Berbatov will stay, end of.

I can't believe we are letting Campbell go whilst it looks like Manucho will stay? What the fuck

[Mullet Taylor]

9 goals and 16 assists. because of him utd scored 25 goals and its not asif Utd finished the season without a trophy.

Too many greedy cunts thinking berba would have the debute season like Ruud had. Leave berb alone tbh.

[NextBigThing]

http://goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/06/08/1313514/carlos-tevez-agrees-to-manchester-city-deal-report

Woah if this is true then united are going to get a new striker i think

[Acquiesce]

http://goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/06/08/1313514/carlos-tevez-agrees-to-manchester-city-deal-report

Woah if this is true then united are going to get a new striker i think

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[Foxhound]

http://goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/06/08/1313514/carlos-tevez-agrees-to-manchester-city-deal-report

Woah if this is true then united are going to get a new striker i think

Meh. I think that he should've move abroad if he wanted to leave.

[AgentZero]

I do hope Manucho is as good as Winger has portrayed him to be. Also another addition to strikers starting slowly at United...Teddy Sheringham

[Winger]

I do hope Manucho is as good as Winger has portrayed him to be.

So do I.

But for the most part I was attempting to show that what we've lost with the depature of Frazier Campbell we effectively have covered due to the emergence of Danny Wellbeck. Where as Manucho is in a mold we don't currently have many options in. Manucho is the sort of player (ie; a Drogba, an Adebayor, an Emile Heskey, a John Carew) that Wayne Rooney or Carlos Tevez would benefit from having playing just ahead of them, I think. Our only other option, really, is Berbatov who is yet to be ultilisted in said role, and would play it a shade differently, anyway.

Manucho may turn out to be completely useless, or distinctly average, or absolutely brilliant (let's not hold our breath) but, regardless of his current level of ability he brings different options to the attack. Frazier Campbell brought little differences to those which Danny Wellbeck offers.

I want to see Manucho given a chance up front, just ahead of either Wayne Rooney, or Carlos Tevez. If we can get a target man up there who can look after himself, hold his own and battle in the air, just imagine the options that open up should the likes of Scholes, Carrick, and Anderson opt for longer ball. If they can pick him out, and if he can get the knock down/flick on to Rooney, Tevez, or Ronaldo, it could be gold. Think Drogba who was crucial to smashing openings adrift for Duff and Robben to race into, latch onto the ball and go through one on one. Frank Lampard is quality and would score goals regardless but, Drogba has no doubt aided his tally in his role as battering ram. And we can finally have our wide players swing in a few crosses knowing there is actually going to be a real threat attempting to get on the end of them.

Rooney or Tevez playing off Berbatov or Manucho. In times when a we want a turn of pace to stretch defenders, we either put Ronaldo up top, or throw Danny Wellbeck into the mix. Unless of course we sign a new forward which changes things up a little.

What's everyones opinions on a possible sale of Ronaldo then? If Real Madrid slap a £70m+ fee on the table, should we take it or leave it? I'm torn. On one hand we should be holding onto our best players for as long as possible. On the other hand Ronaldo is going to leave sooner or later, let's be realistic, and with every passing season from here on in (age and remaining contract years) his price shall only drop.

[Haribo]

For 70m+ I would say absolutely. The only problems I could see is that potential targets will have their price tag inflated (even more than usual), when we come knocking. It would be nice to get a player in the deal to lessen this issue, but we would still require a direct replacement for Ronaldo. Valencia is not this man and I don't see Ribery being interested (also take into account our previous dealings with Bayern).

In truth, I don't see Madrid willing to pay the amount and that it's all talk from Perez. He won't break the world record twice in the same transfer window. I can definitely see them bagging Villa, Valencia and Albiol, but a lot of their other targets are more of a pipe dream.

[mufcsean]

I would only accept the offer for Ronaldo if we already had a player lined up to replace him, Ribery for example.

[AgentZero]

lets hope ronaldo becomes a united for life player or is that just way too naive?

[requiem7]

lets hope ronaldo becomes a united for life player or is that just way too naive?

Maybe. But theres no reason why we cannot try to. But we should at least get him signed up for a few more years.

[Joel]

lets hope ronaldo becomes a united for life player or is that just way too naive?

Pretty much, yeah.

[Haribo]

In truth, I don't see Madrid willing to pay the amount and that it's all talk from Perez. He won't break the world record twice in the same transfer window.

Well that shut me up.

[Foxhound]

Yeah. I didn't expect to see him leaving during this transfer window. I've always thought that he'd leave in his late 20s.

As you said in the other thread, I do hope that the replacement isn't Valencia. I want Ribery, but I don't think Bayern will be willing to sell him to United, especially after the way United handled the transfer of Hargreaves. I haven't seen much of Silva to make a judgement.

[AgentZero]

Pretty much, yeah.
and how right you are good sir. Would this mean tevez is more likely to stay? Anyways i would love if Benzema gives us a chance.
Also i think bayern laughed all the way to the bank for knowing about Owens knees before we did.

[fick]

As you said in the other thread, I do hope that the replacement isn't Valencia. I want Ribery...

I'd have to concur. I don't think valencia is what we need. He can be a good player, but lacks any kind of consitency and I don't rate the guy as a crosser of the ball.

[AgentZero]

Valencia would of been good HAD ronaldo stayed. Need someone to sell shirts :ninja:

[fick]

Valencia would of been good HAD ronaldo stayed. Need someone to sell shirts :ninja:

:laugh: very good, sir!

[NextBigThing]

i'm glad ronaldo's gone now rooney can shine and 80 million is a tidy sum for a player ( who is very good ) that don't play for the team anymore

don't think ribery will come to the epl but we need a good replacement and now i think valencia ain't good enough .

benzema if we get him i'll be super happy :)

let's just thanks ronaldo for his work done during his time in manutd if he leaves !

[Dragonfly]

Is Ferguson planning on playing Tosic regularly, this season? I know he's a left-winger, so Ronaldo's imminent exit shouldn't be too much of an issue. How's he been progressing?

[Winger]

I'm hoping to see more of Tosic next season as he is naturally left-sided and said to be a good set-piece taker. If Tosic steps up then that (at present) leaves us with Nani, or Park on the right.

It's important to remember that Giggs nor Beckham ever managed to chip in with the goals that Ronaldo did from the flank (ableit a more advanced position with defensive duties surrendered) and we still managed to win silverwear, so I think people need to stop asking how we're going to replace Ronaldo's goals when no other wide player can boast his goal exploits. It's simple. What will happen is that the team will now (at least in theory) put more owness back on the strikers, and have both wide men get down the touchline and provide crosses. And give one of the central midfielders (Anderson? Oh, Lord...) instructions to make forward runs now that both are not required to sit deep all the time to compensate for Ronaldo not tracking back.

Tosic, Hargreaves (if he can actually get fit), Giggs (how often will he play), Rooney, Tevez (if we hammer out a deal), to get a chance at set-pieces?

And speaking of Carlos Tevez. I wonder if this means that we're going to splash the cash to tie the little man down at Old Trafford. I still don't believe he is worth another £25m but, with the loss of Ronaldo we can't afford to lose Tevez as it stands, which is without any new arrivals either up top or out wide.

Sniejder or Van der Vaart from Real? Ribery from Bayern? Ruud van Nistelrooy (it's rumoured Real have put £1.5m as his price tag) to return? Villa from Valencia? Benzema from Lyon? Diego Forlan or Aguro from Athletico? I'm not sure what other options are going.

[Bish]

Remember when Beckham left, a young Ronaldo was brought in as his replacement. So this could very well be Tosic's time to show what's he's got. I'm sure Man Utd fans will be a bit more eager to see him in the Under 21 tournament now.

I would be very surprised if Utd didn't offer the money for Tevez now.

As many have said, this move will definitely help Rooney become even more influential than he currently is. Ronaldo's laziness in tracking back caused Rooney to play out wide in the first place. Also, I'm gonna stick my neck out here and say Berbatov will benefit from this just as much. :ninja:

[fick]

Also, I'm gonna stick my neck out here and say Berbatov will benefit from this just as much. :ninja:

Never one to shy away from controversy eh Bish?

While I won't get my hopes up too high, I certanily hope Berba sees this an opportunity to gain some fan appreciation.

[wrathchild_uk]

I suppose Ronaldo going was always going to happen and you could tell he just wasn't really interested at times this season, least now Rooney might actually get to play up front rather than on the wing being wasted. I know theres talk of us going for Valencia but the prospect of him replacing Ronaldo doesn't really excite me..

[dannyh]

put here who you think

i think he should buy aguerro or villa

=D

[lfcboy]

At this point it would be to to sign a winger. I think Silva woulsd be a good fit but I doubt he would come. Could see ribery coming to England for the rite price.

[dannyh]

true or maybe beckham could make a shock return

[Ziss]

put here who you think

i think he should buy aguerro or villa

=D
Villa is pretty much lined up for Madrid (selfish pricks)
Aguero has said he wants to stay at Atelitco next season

Personally I'd like to see Ashley Young, if the price is right. He attacks defenders at pace, and can deliver.

Would also be nice to see another playmaker come in. That said if Hargreaves can get fit I wouldn't be overly fussed if we signed anyone else.

The problem with spending big money to bring in a Ronaldo replacement is that he might not adapt. The club will suffer performance wise and we'll end up making a stonking loss on the player.

Oh, and sign Rossi back too :)

[requiem7]

Fairly confident that Tevez will sign for us. So one more player. A winger.
But who? What I looking forward next season is Rooney and Berbatov upfront together.

[StringerBell]

Fairly confident that Tevez will sign for us. So one more player. A winger.
But who? What I looking forward next season is Rooney and Berbatov upfront together.

I hear he is in talks with City now :unsure:

[requiem7]

I hear he is in talks with City now :unsure:

His owner said he would talk to Utd first after the international games.
Utd are pretty tight lipped about the situation though.

[CRISSGRAN]

Get Cantona back in the training squad and he'll be worth 10 Ronaldos ;)

[Dale C.]

Get Cantona back in the training squad and he'll be worth 10 Ronaldos ;)

Would you have him act his way through the defence? :erm:

[wrathchild_uk]

finding ronaldo's replacement.. :ninja:

[requiem7]

finding ronaldo's replacement.. :ninja:

found anyone yet?

[wrathchild_uk]

No...i went and played some football for the first time in ages earlier and can now rule myself out.. ;)

[requiem7]

No...i went and played some football for the first time in ages earlier and can now rule myself out.. ;)

Me too! I am a poor mans Berbatov. I wonder if Sir Alex would have the balls to put a bid in for Gerrard?

We know they are having a little trouble repaying the loan. A bid of 50million would be tempting?

[Haribo]

:faceplm:

Torres or Mascherano over Gerrard any day of the week. I do hope that wasn't actually a serious suggestion by you. :/

[AgentZero]

I suppose Ronaldo going was always going to happen and you could tell he just wasn't really interested at times this season, least now Rooney might actually get to play up front rather than on the wing being wasted. I know theres talk of us going for Valencia but the prospect of him replacing Ronaldo doesn't really excite me..i think a lot of his objectives were personal minded...like golden boot spat thing.

[requiem7]

:faceplm:

Torres or Mascherano any day of the week over Gerrard. I do hope that wasn't actually a serious suggestion by you. :/

only in my head! Did I really say out load?! lmao
Nah. just wishful thinking.

[mufcsean]

I'd rather have Torres than Gerrard but no Mascherano, unless it made Tevez stay :lol:

I know it would never happen but if we signed Gerrard i think i would wank myself to death to be honest. As much as pains me to say that about him, he would make us unbelievably good.

[AgentZero]

it would be quality as their own little messiah has turned its back for their bitter rivals but lets not get crazy here. New poll needed, who should be splash the cash in options be a)Villa B) Ribery C) Benzema D) Ashley Young

EDIT: Id be more devastated if the Vidic rumors were true.

[NextBigThing]

Benzema


---------------Van Der Sar-----------------
Rafael-----Vidic----------Ferdinand------Evra


Park---------------Carrick-----------Anderson/Fletcher---

----------------------Rooney--------------------------

------------------Benzema-------Berbatov--------------

[sukhy2004]

If you replaced Park with Hargreaves that team might have a chance, but that team wouldn't be able to keep the ball

[Foxhound]

My first choice is Ribery. If United can't sign him, I don't mind getting A. Young.

[Mullet Taylor]

what about spurs lennon ? obviously a different player to ronaldo, but if he could deliver balls into the box consistantly, the likes of berba will profit

[AgentZero]

would it be ethical for united to buy Newcastle out?? I mean we are only £20m shy of buying them from just the ronaldo money alone I'm sure our regular kitty of 20+ will cover it .....

[Haribo]

what about spurs lennon ?
I hope we never do business with Spurs again, let alone for a player who isn't anything particularly special.

[Appswah]

it looks like we are going to make a move for valencia :/

[dotty]

David Silva? young and may grow to be even better?

[Ziss]

Said didn't want to join us last year, you know after we won the Champions League, so I doubt he would have changed his mind this time round.

[Appswah]

lol. I keep hearing alot of rumours about Alexis Sanchez. Looks quite good, scored twice for chile the other day.

[requiem7]

lol. I keep hearing alot of rumours about Alexis Sanchez. Looks quite good, scored twice for chile the other day.

I was wondering about Chile the other week.
They had some decent players in the past Salas and Zamorano were quality.
Salas more so.

[wrathchild_uk]

what about spurs lennon ? obviously a different player to ronaldo, but if he could deliver balls into the box consistantly, the likes of berba will profit

Yea i was thinking earlier that Lennon could be a possible option..but with him being english and coming from Spurs i can imagine we'd have to pay a ridiculous fee for him.

[Original?]

I was wondering about Chile the other week.
They had some decent players in the past Salas and Zamorano were quality.
Salas more so.

They have a quality side now with a number of younger talents; Sanchez, Vidal, Fernandez and Isla for example. Then again, the majority of South American nations boast talented teams.

[Sweey]

Odd as this sounds, I believe Sanchez would actually make a mistake in coming to England right now. Interested to see what Original? thinks about that.

[requiem7]

Tim Cahill? anyone?

[Original?]

Odd as this sounds, I believe Sanchez would actually make a mistake in coming to England right now. Interested to see what Original? thinks about that.

Sanchez is one of the best talents around at the moment, I think he'd do well in England. He's small but has very good balance and quick feet. There is, however, the possibility that he will benefit from one or two more years in Italy with guaranteed first team football.

[AgentZero]

Tim Cahill? anyone?
that would be lush....but i dont see him moving out of goodison anytimes soon.

[requiem7]

"It might have been hard to like Ronaldo but it was harder still not to admire him. Even if Ferguson is allowed to invest all the £80m from his sale in the purchase of new players, United will be a poorer team without Ronaldo. The sad thing is that Ronaldo will almost certainly be a poorer player without United, too. At Old Trafford, he had men like Wayne Rooney and Carlos Tevez who would run themselves into the ground for the team and leave the glory to him. Despite that, he has agitated for a move to Madrid like a little boy tugging at his mummy’s sleeve, whining and whimpering until he gets what he wants."
Oliver Holt, Daily Mirror

I wonder who will do his running for in Spain? And who won't mind that he'll track back after being tackled?

[AgentZero]

lass and poor gago
EDIT: Also who is on redcafe...just logged on but can only log on via my uni isp

[requiem7]

Rumours abound that Barcelona await a bid for Eto from Utd.

[Appswah]

Rumours abound that Barcelona await a bid for Eto from Utd.



:faceplm:

Yeh but there's also rumours going round we're going to bid £40 mil for torres lol.

[AgentZero]

i was sho shattered when his atletico armband unfurled*sigh*. Lets hope Glory, Glory Man Utd is under Benzema's lyon shirt/armband

[Ziss]

I hope we land Torres for £40-£50m, and in the suitcase with the money is a bomb. A bomb that explodes and kills Gerrard and Jamie Redknapp, also leaving the club with no money.

Meanwhile, we let Torres rot in the reserves, with even Nani getting picked ahead of him.

[requiem7]

:faceplm:

Yeh but there's also rumours going round we're going to bid £40 mil for torres lol.

and whats more likely?

:faceplm:

[AgentZero]

I hope we land Torres for £40-£50m, and in the suitcase with the money is a bomb. A bomb that explodes and kills Gerrard and Jamie Redknapp, also leaving the club with no money.

Meanwhile, we let Torres rot in the reserves, with even Nani getting picked ahead of him.
ill take out rafa for a packet of crisps and the taxi fare.

[Luis_Garcia]

Honestly that Torres headline is one of the most accurate I've heard in recent times..

[AgentZero]

No it isnt, Torres IMO has too much class to even look at the offer or respond to it. No Liverpool player will be signed.

[Luis_Garcia]

...obviously. Either you didn't get my sarcasm, or I didn't get yours?

[requiem7]

Honestly that Torres headline is one of the most accurate I've heard in recent times..

Its seems quite sane compared to media speculation on Eto's wage demands?
400,000 a week? Pimping himself out to City.

[Mullet Taylor]

torres is a good idea. he'll probably score a shit load this season as hes had a summer to recharge his batteries . I cant see it happening as rafa and fergie dislike one another and the whole not letting heinze join wiverpool will stil be fresh in rafa's mind

still though. can wiverpool really afford to turn down 50 mil? love transfer norries though. no-one is safe

[AgentZero]

Isnt torres doing confederations cup??

[Mullet Taylor]

surely not ? cunt needs a rest

[Foxhound]

torres is a good idea. he'll probably score a shit load this season as hes had a summer to recharge his batteries . I cant see it happening as rafa and fergie dislike one another and the whole not letting heinze join wiverpool will stil be fresh in rafa's mind

still though. can wiverpool really afford to turn down 50 mil? love transfer norries though. no-one is safe

Of course that there's no chance of him signing for United. It would be really funny if it happens though.

[dotty]

Didn't Man Utd have a chance to sign him a while back but said he wasn't the complete striker they needed...

Epic Fail.

[Mullet Taylor]

thing is though. the fact that everyone is laughing it off makes it even better. no pressure of getting him etc but the world of football is fucked up now and money does talk....look at kenny miller, from celtic to derby to rangers....figo from barca to real...crazy shit has happened and it'll happen again

[Acquiesce]

thing is though. the fact that everyone is laughing it off makes it even better. no pressure of getting him etc but the world of football is fucked up now and money does talk....look at kenny miller, from celtic to derby to rangers....figo from barca to real...crazy shit has happened and it'll happen again

Rangers to Celtic and then back to Rangers over the years. I hate the useless cunt.

[dotty]

thing is though. the fact that everyone is laughing it off makes it even better. no pressure of getting him etc but the world of football is fucked up now and money does talk....look at kenny miller, from celtic to derby to rangers....figo from barca to real...crazy shit has happened and it'll happen again

Kenny Miller>Hibs>Rangers>Wolves>Septic>Derby>Rangers

[Usul]

Well i'm reading that Fergusson wants Eto'o, Torres, Silva, Vila and, get this, Valdes.

:huh:

Obviously, the strikers are alleged possible targets, he won't go for all three.

[AgentZero]

Didn't Man Utd have a chance to sign him a while back but said he wasn't the complete striker they needed...

Epic Fail.i knew we followed his progress for a while, but liverpool was always going to be his option.

[Mullet Taylor]

BREAKING NEWS ON THE TRANSFER SAGA AT UTD !!

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=socce r/09/06/14/manual_155539.html&TEAMHD=soccer

Utd are sorted

[Foxhound]

Tevez talks to begin

Sky Sports News understands Man United, Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea are all to talk with Carlos Tevez's representatives on Monday.

From Skysports.

[AgentZero]

i dont think we should sign any big players this window. All the clubs would just bleed us dry because of the Kaka/Ronaldo transfer, its almost like its become a precedent. Should just wait till the market cools down. 45M for Villa no matter how good he is right now is ludicrous, call me nuts or old fashioned (or both) but Zidane still is the only player above 30M that is worth every penny.

[requiem7]

I wrote an article on bbc 606. But it got moderated. I didn't see what was wrong with it?

The Slave is free

Now that Ronaldo is free from his shackles after his move to Madrid, he is making up for lost time.
Partying 24 hours in the states surrounded by would be wags and hangers on. Is he going to let the fame go to his head?
Would he have been allowed to get away with this behavour at Man Utd? Hopefully this lifestyle he is embracing will harm his fitness for the new season. its not like his new team will expect him to track back. He'll just strop and pout like usual.

[Meyyappan]

i dont think we should sign any big players this window. All the clubs would just bleed us dry because of the Kaka/Ronaldo transfer, its almost like its become a precedent. Should just wait till the market cools down. 45M for Villa no matter how good he is right now is ludicrous, call me nuts or old fashioned (or both) but Zidane still is the only player above 30M that is worth every penny.

CR7 will also be

[Papa]

:faceplm:

Don't say CR7.

Just don't.

[AgentZero]

i hear menez is hinting at exiting Roma..hes a player that could be bought on the cheap and is a winger. He didnt do well at Roma but at Monaco he was fairly influential, yet he has fitness issues.

[Top Gun]

You thought Ronaldo was bad,






























































http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/16/article-0-055C377D000005DC-277_468x627.jpg

[Papa]

Oh dear God! :faceplm:

[Mjällharth]

That picture would even sober up that Dale fella upon visual contact. :lol: (Dale according to Fick's clinic)

[I.N Extasy]

You thought Ronaldo was bad,
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/16/article-0-055C377D000005DC-277_468x627.jpg

Rio...in female clothing. :laugh:

:no:

[Papa]

I've found a picture of Rio dressed in something even more shameful!




















http://www.collectsoccer.com/acatalog/01riolarge.jpg

:ninja:

[Mjällharth]

Rio sees what you did there.

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/04_01/RioShinerCLARKE_468x585.jpg

[AgentZero]

holy shit...unfortunately a friend of mine has also those swimming trunks, but she looks good in it.

[Foxhound]

United will start off the new season at home against Birmingham. The derby will be on 19 September, at Old Trafford. 24 October will be away to Liverpool.

[Hunter]

Might be quite a pleasant feeling getting a good start to the season, it will feel strange though since we're so used to starting poorly by our standards.

Anyone else hear about this age policy we've got going on now under Fergie ? Apparently we're not signing anyone over the age of 26 anymore. It can only be good for the club though considering we've got the likes of Giggs, Scholes, Neville, VDS and Berbatov already contesting the first team despite all getting on (Berba less so of course). Plus we've just made a £68m profit on Ronaldo, which isn't bad business, could be another swaying factor in Fergie's age strategy now.

What names would spring to mind then if we're not signing anyone over 26 years old now ? It narrows it down just a little bit I imagine, makes the market more interesting, for us at least, but it will undoubtedly mean we'll be paying further inflated prices unfortunately.

[wrathchild_uk]

Yea thats only accourding to the papers though..

[Hunter]

I was just reading it on the RedCafe forum, I haven't seen the papers for a few days now, but I stuck "apparently" in there just in case since a lot of shit is floating about at the moment especially transfer wise. It would make sense though since we've already got quite a few senior players in the squad, and after spending £30m on Berbatov who's about 27 or 28, I can only say it would be logical to try and reel in some youngsters.

[Dale C.]

That picture would even sober up that Dale fella upon visual contact. :lol: (Dale according to Fick's clinic)

lol try real life aswell, never mind the clinic :laugh:



That really is terrible. Why is he in womens clothes? Is he a fag like?

Edit -

United will start off the new season at home against Birmingham.

Might be quite a pleasant feeling getting a good start to the season,

:laugh: Cheeky sod!

[wrathchild_uk]

I was just reading it on the RedCafe forum, I haven't seen the papers for a few days now, but I stuck "apparently" in there just in case since a lot of shit is floating about at the moment especially transfer wise. It would make sense though since we've already got quite a few senior players in the squad, and after spending £30m on Berbatov who's about 27 or 28, I can only say it would be logical to try and reel in some youngsters.

I read about it in the paper gossip round up section on the bbc site so i'm guessing that it has come from some paper...theres a chance it could be possible but the papers are spurning so much shit out at the mo i don't know what to believe.

[Phatmann]

Is it just me who's not feeling too confident for next season? I know it's still very early but the names we are being strongly linked with aren't filling me with confidence. I can see us signing Valencia and someone like Chelsea signing Ribery. Hopefully we can give some of our younger players more games next season over the likes of Scholes, Neville, Giggs and Van Der Sar. I'd like to see Foster starting a lot more games next season as Van Der Sar will probably retire after this season so we'll be relying on an inexperienced Foster or Tommy the clown.

[wrathchild_uk]

Well problem is with Ronaldo going who's going to replace his goals...we've obviously become very dependant on his goals during the last couple of seasons. Hopefully a few other players may step up now Ronaldo is leaving..but i think it depends on who we bring in at the end of the day.

[AgentZero]

Might be quite a pleasant feeling getting a good start to the season, it will feel strange though since we're so used to starting poorly by our standards.

Anyone else hear about this age policy we've got going on now under Fergie ? Apparently we're not signing anyone over the age of 26 anymore. It can only be good for the club though considering we've got the likes of Giggs, Scholes, Neville, VDS and Berbatov already contesting the first team despite all getting on (Berba less so of course). Plus we've just made a £68m profit on Ronaldo, which isn't bad business, could be another swaying factor in Fergie's age strategy now.

What names would spring to mind then if we're not signing anyone over 26 years old now ? It narrows it down just a little bit I imagine, makes the market more interesting, for us at least, but it will undoubtedly mean we'll be paying further inflated prices unfortunately.
aye its good that as a few players will be entering into the mid to late twenties themselves. Not long ago i think the average was 23ish now its obviiously risen. Also the tidy 68M profit + the indirect profits weve gotten on the back of his goals through prizemoney is a 'sexcellent' return. Players under 26 are bit risky as if theyre not mentally ready at near that age, they probably wont be. But Rossi, Young and Benzema fit nicely onto that age bracket. Menez would be a decent backup too.

[wrathchild_uk]

Don't we have a buy back option on Rossi?

[AgentZero]

yea...a measly 10M if im not mistaken.

[Hunter]

I've heard it's in the region of £6-8m which would be even better. Whether he would want to return to United after being unsuccessful I don't know, but I've no doubt we are top of the list if he opts to join another club, especially in England.

I honestly believe we'll be just fine this coming season though. When Ruud left, everyone believed we were too dependent on him for goals and wondered how we'd cope without him. We didn't just cope, we excelled. We were scoring from all angles and the entire team was chipping in because they all knew everybody had a responsibility going forward now, and it was refreshing to see such unpredictable attacking play again. It will be like the time we sold Ruud I reckon, and I'm glad we've got this £80m for Ronaldo this summer because it appears he's hooked into the world of celebrity now - no going back, only down for him.

[Sweey]

I've heard you have to match any bid accepted by Villareal.

[AgentZero]

Well most of it is speculation but it seems more logical that the Rossi clause is that should another team go in for him, villareal would ask united first if they want to meet that teams valuation and if we do we get him for the said amount.
Also stories a ripe with the club accepting Tevez's price only stumbling block left is the players wage. He apparantely wants to be the highest paid in the club. Which doesnt sit well with me.

[Hunter]

Well most of it is speculation but it seems more logical that the Rossi clause is that should another team go in for him, villareal would ask united first if they want to meet that teams valuation and if we do we get him for the said amount.
Also stories a ripe with the club accepting Tevez's price only stumbling block left is the players wage. He apparantely wants to be the highest paid in the club. Which doesnt sit well with me.

He's starting to sound more of a knob as the weeks go by it seems. He just isn't worth the overall price tag of £35m, plus £120,000 per week. Obviously we've already paid £10m, but he still isn't worth £25m alone, so I don't know how this deal is going through. I think the fans "did" love him, but since then he's declared how he doesn't see a future here, how he'd be happier elsewhere, and now if this is true that he wants to be the highest paid, he's becoming more of an idiot in my opinion. He's got a long way before he reaches the respect level around the club of a Wayne Rooney or a Rio Ferdinand. Not only that, he is ultimately a fringe player, what other fringe player gets close to £120,000 per week or however high it is I assume? Maybe he's being guaranteed starting places in his contract, or maybe we're just paying him his high wages to stop him moaning if he continues to be a fringe player.

I was reading in The Sun, yes, The Sun I believe it was that Lyon are demanding £30m for Benzema if any club wants him. According to the article we've been tracking the lad for 2 years now, but £30m is a lot of money, almost half the Ronaldo budget gone just there.

On the note of Ronaldo too, I think we got out when we did. I was reading that the reason the personal terms are taking so long is because Ronaldo wants 50% of all merchandising profits bearing his name such as club shirts, scarves etc. Obviously because they can't come to an agreement just yet anyway, it means the deal could take up to a month to finalise meaning we might not even see the £80m for a good while yet. If true, which wouldn't surprise me at all, then this could be majorly bad for us in the window considering you don't really know what sort of transfer budget you've got until your star player leaves. Glad he's gone though, he's being drowned willingly into the world of celebrity now, good riddens.

[AgentZero]

Aye with the Tevez thing it seems weve lost one ego for another. If that is his claim then i dunno if hes worth the trouble. Ronaldo is surely setting a precedent for greed, this kinda power of club is the reason why i also think clubs bidding in excess of 40M is a bad idea. Gives players too much freedom to essentially mug the club. I would love it if he becomes fat, gets addicted to coke ala maradona.

[Haribo]

I just looked on the Sky Sports website and read this:

Manchester United have confirmed Carlos Tevez is to leave the club following the conclusion of his two-year loan.

EDIT: And now it's official.

[Bish]

Seems like Man Utd did all they could to keep him. Offered to pay the asking price, offered a 5 year deal. Only Chelsea and Man City in the running to sign him apparently, I think we'll be seeing him at Eastlands next season.

[Billy Minof]

Big blow losing both Tevez and Ronaldo to Uniteds title defense next season.

[Joel]

Seems like Man Utd did all they could to keep him. Offered to pay the asking price, offered a 5 year deal. Only Chelsea and Man City in the running to sign him apparently, I think we'll be seeing him at Eastlands next season.

Hopefully City get him and then we can finally turn our attention to Kun. God, with Atletico saying that they would be willing to listen to a good offer, you'd think they would be quite a lot of enquiries for one of the best young talents in the freaking world.

[Ziss]

Big blow losing both Tevez and Ronaldo to Uniteds title defense next season.
I think we'll be able to replace them

(by not spending £80m each time, too ;))

EDIT: Glad to see the back of him to be honest. £25m plus silly wages for a player who, let's face it, just runs. Goal record isn't great, neither is his assist record, plus he sulks when he doesn't play a full game and is involved within the media far too often.

I say we reinvest the money over the next 5 years on getting eleven Wayne Rooneys out there :)

[Baddar]

Ugh, so Tevez AND Ronaldo are as good as gone.

Before the Tevez announcement, I would've been happy with keeping him and signing Valencia, but now I don't know what's gonna happen. This Benzema, Aguero, Ribery, Villa etc. talk sounds like fantasy to me. I don't see any of them coming to us.

Let's get Valencia, then bring back two legends in Forlan and Van Nistelrooy to soften the blows of the past week or so. >_>

[dotty]

Hopefully City get him and then we can finally turn our attention to Kun. God, with Atletico saying that they would be willing to listen to a good offer, you'd think they would be quite a lot of enquiries for one of the best young talents in the freaking world.


Ath Madrid would ask for 40 million and no less that is the problem though

[AgentZero]

heres an interesting fact...Tevez racked up 51 appearances for us last season whilst Rooney did 49 and Berbatov 42 (substitute appearances included) I understand most of those were bitpart roles but still.
I get worried about losing both players as i thought by losing Ron, tevez would of stayed. But it seems we need another player to chip in with the goals.

[mufcsean]

Tevez and Ronaldo leaving is going to hurt us bad.

We won't bring anybody else as good as them in, we will sign Valencia and one other player, under 25 but not a big name. I think this because we will try and sign big names from big teams who will try and get as much money as possible for them, we won't like it and will try and sign somebody else, with the same recurring over and over.

We won't get any of Silva, Villa, Benzema, Ribery that's for sure.

[Bish]

Valencia looks almost sure he'll be joining but I wouldn't rule out Benzema just yet. Lyon have already come out and said if Utd put in an offer for him, there wouldn't be much they could do about it to keep him there.

[Foxhound]

If United do sign a striker, I hope that it'll be a Solskjaer type of player.

[HH]

Jan-Hunterlaar?

[AgentZero]

maybe robbing Madrid of hnterlaar and/or higuain would be a good move or compound their lack of balance buy buying their gun keeper

[mufcsean]

I wouldn't mind van der Vaart, he didn't have any thing the season Madrid were hoping for but he is an extremely good player, don't think he would cost much either.

[wrathchild_uk]

I dunno about that..Ferguson doesn't seem to have a very good history with dutch players.. :ninja:

[AgentZero]

they start of well enough but by a few years hes had enough of their attitudesh

[AgentZero]

where are we going to find 41 goals lads?

[Top Gun]

Just raid Atletico Madrid.

[AgentZero]

hmm, Forlan would not come and if he does still the doubt of his ability to play in England. Aguerro would be ludicrously expensive thanks to the inflated market. Gotta somehow make Dimi into a 25+ goal striker, which i dont think hes even done in his career and squeeze a few more from Rooney. Starting to scare me how well have to do without ron and tevez's goals AND should a player turn up he'll need to not bother with adjusting in and pretty much hit the ground running.

[requiem7]

where are we going to find 41 goals lads?

Berbatov has got some down the back of the sofa.
We'll be ok.

[Persona]

hmm, Forlan would not come and if he does still the doubt of his ability to play in England. Aguerro would be ludicrously expensive thanks to the inflated market. Gotta somehow make Dimi into a 25+ goal striker, which i dont think hes even done in his career and squeeze a few more from Rooney. Starting to scare me how well have to do without ron and tevez's goals AND should a player turn up he'll need to not bother with adjusting in and pretty much hit the ground running.

I know I sound crazy and this is merely a suggestion but since Villa or Benzema won't want to play in England I say we should make a move on Torres even though he's playing with the scousers. He's the only proven goalscorer in England that is only 25 and he and Rooney together would be just mouth-watering :dribble:

Dimi + cash anyone?

We also need a back-up striker so that we have added depth. Macheda and Welbeck have potential but as I said, they're not proven goalscorer's yet. Maybe a move on Negredo? He's cheap but a very powerful player and wouldn't mind sitting on the bench.

[Mjällharth]

Are you a literate version of Meyyappan?

[requiem7]

I know I sound crazy and this is merely a suggestion but since Villa or Benzema won't want to play in England I say we should make a move on Torres even though he's playing with the scousers. He's the only proven goalscorer in England that is only 25 and he and Rooney together would be just mouth-watering :dribble:

Dimi + cash anyone?

We also need a back-up striker so that we have added depth. Macheda and Welbeck have potential but as I said, they're not proven goalscorer's yet. Maybe a move on Negredo? He's cheap but a very powerful player and wouldn't mind sitting on the bench.

I don't know. Macheda has got 2 goals in 4 appearances. he looks pretty decent. Obviously it would be foolish to play him all the time. But maybe he is ready for more 1st team duties. The waiting for any any news on a signing is killing me. What with the rumour mill in the press the way it is.

[Persona]

Are you a literate version of Meyyappan?

I'm sorry, who?

I don't know. Macheda has got 2 goals in 4 appearances. he looks pretty decent. Obviously it would be foolish to play him all the time. But maybe he is ready for more 1st team duties. The waiting for any any news on a signing is killing me. What with the rumour mill in the press the way it is.

Macheda is still 17. And the times I have seen him play in the first team and a few times in the academy, he really needs to improve his first touch, balance and is not very comfortable. I'd rather go for someone that is proven for now or else we would have a few seasons of transition.

As for the rumours, it's still very early isn't it? The press is just warming up with their stories and the transfer window doesn't close until the end of August. So, a long way to go.

[AgentZero]

tevez wouldnt move to liverpool out of respect to the united fans and torres wont either. Macheda looks decent but he needs a few more seasons as hes no where near the final product (i hope). Arsenal are in the race for Benzema aswell considering Ade is going to AC (or so it seems) and out of us and them, Benzema is more likely to play for them (sigh).

[Persona]

tevez wouldnt move to liverpool out of respect to the united fans and torres wont either. Macheda looks decent but he needs a few more seasons as hes no where near the final product (i hope). Arsenal are in the race for Benzema aswell considering Ade is going to AC (or so it seems) and out of us and them, Benzema is more likely to play for them (sigh).

I said it was merely a suggestion and I know 99.99% that he won't come to United but can't I dream? :tongue: Afterall, he's the best striker in the world IMO.

About Benzema, he has said countless of times from his agent that he does not want to play in England and Real are in the driving seat for him because apparently they've given up their chase on Villa. And can Arsenal really afford him? President Aulas is a very shrewd man and he'll get all the penny he can get from you. I reckon he wants 35-40mil? And Wenger has already said he doesn't have enough money to spend.

[NextBigThing]

http://goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/06/29/1352481/wigans-antonio-valencia-poised-for-manchester-united-medical

guess valencia is gonna be joining manutd
your thoughts on this guys?


http://goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/06/29/1352664/report-manchester-united-step-up-chase-for-atletico-madrid

woah 52 million bid ! inflated market ><

[Phatmann]

I have to say I won't exactly be bouncing off the walls in delight if we sign Valencia and I would've rather we went for Ribery but I'm willing to give him a chance. Out of the Wigan players from last season, I would've been happier if we'd have signed Palacios before Spurs did as we are lacking a defensive midfielder who we can rely on to not be injured all season. I hope this isn't the only signing we make this summer.

[Foxhound]

I'm certain that United will sign a striker

[requiem7]

Sir Alex is back so all is right in the world.
How bad would it be if Ronaldo had swine flu and infected the rest of Real Madrid?
Nope not over it yet.

[AgentZero]

yeah espn did a photo special looking back at Cristianos career :crymore: i had gulps when he scored his first goal a fortunate free kick against pompey and when he silenced the highbury crowd after scoring his 2nd goal in that 6 goal thriller.

[StringerBell]

I have to say I won't exactly be bouncing off the walls in delight if we sign Valencia and I would've rather we went for Ribery but I'm willing to give him a chance. Out of the Wigan players from last season, I would've been happier if we'd have signed Palacios before Spurs did as we are lacking a defensive midfielder who we can rely on to not be injured all season. I hope this isn't the only signing we make this summer.

I hears Ribery say he won't go to England becasue the weather is to similar to Germany and he doesent like it. But I thought he was from Normandy not like the guy was born and raised in Sao Paolo :rolleyes:

[requiem7]

yeah espn did a photo special looking back at Cristianos career :crymore: i had gulps when he scored his first goal a fortunate free kick against pompey and when he silenced the highbury crowd after scoring his 2nd goal in that 6 goal thriller.

that game was amazing. The bust up in the tunnel with Keane and Viera.
If memory serves me right I think Viera scored the first goal.

But I was impressed by John O'Shea's goal as well as Ronaldo's double.
happy days.

[Hunter]

that game was amazing. The bust up in the tunnel with Keane and Viera.
If memory serves me right I think Viera scored the first goal.

But I was impressed by John O'Shea's goal as well as Ronaldo's double.
happy days.

Quality game, I've got the DVD with that game and the Old Trafford win that season against them when we ended their undefeated streak. :happy:

Rooney diving. :cool:

[Dannyholt]

Well my two pennies worth on the current state of Man U.

I really doubt we will spend more than £50-60m this summer, I fail to see what all the fuss is about regarding Valencia, yeah he is a decent young winger but a Ronaldo replacement, surely not?
As for our striker situation, signing Berbatov IMO was a massive mistake, he hasn't made the impact we were hoping for, 9 goals in 31 games is fucking wank and I can't believe Fergie paid what he did. I would of rather of signed Tevez last summer.

As for our signing, I really wont Benzema, Aguero and either Jeremy Toulalan or Danielle de Rossi to add some bite to our midfield, as we have none. yeah we have Hargreaves but rumours is that he may not return the same player ?
I wouldn't mind signing Manuel Neuer, looks a good prospect like most German keepers, will only get better with age and learning from VDS for a season would do a world of good, in signing him, we can get rid of the fucking dick head that is Kuszczak, fuck me have any of you ever seen a worse kicker of the ball than this prick ?

I do really doubt we will sign the players were being linked too, expect of course Valencia.

Will just have to wait and see!

[AgentZero]

i really reckon we should of nabbed gourcuff while he was still contracted with AC, I reckon in a few seasons his stock will skyrocket.