Manchester United

[rondroid]

i agree man u were very unlucky but remember when we outplayed liverpool a few years back? only to be robbed by that scouser midget in the dying minutes. I guees what i'm trying to say is that karma came back and did us a huge favour

[marcrulz]

amazing diplomatic from arsenal fans

[Stella Artois]

Manchester United 0 Spurs 0.

Remember Spurs were robbed, did they make a huge song and dance about it? Nope.

Matches are decided by goals, you didn't score any, therefore you didn't deserve to win.

[Papa Lazarou]

Manchester United 0 Spurs 0.

Remember Spurs were robbed, did they make a huge song and dance about it? Nope.

Matches are decided by goals, you didn't score any, therefore you didn't deserve to win.

AND ARSENAL DID????

[Stella Artois]

Where did I say that?

[Papa Lazarou]

Where did I say that?

You said Man U didnt deserve to win because we didnt score any goals

[Stella Artois]

Indeed I did. Thanks for telling me what I had already wrote.

[Hunter]

Very dissapointed as a United fan. But I have to say I think the referee did a pretty good job, should have him officiate the matches next season in the Premiership between the two teams.

Ronaldo had a hell of a game, one of the best he's had in a United jersey I must say. Lauren had no chance in hell against Ronaldo today, Ronaldo ragged him all over the park. He was forcing Lauren to commit himself and Ronaldo used this too his advantage.

Rooney, where can I begin. He was superb, yet again showing that 'never give up' attitude. He ran until he nearly died of oxygen today it seemed. The kid has strength and uses it greatly in his favour. I just don't know how one of his shots didn't hit the back of the net.

Ruud van Nistelrooy was unbelievably dissapointing in todays match. He could have bagged at least three easy goals without a doubt. Although credit to Ljungberg for his smashing clearance off the Arsenal goal-line towards the conclusion of the match. But ever since Ruud has come back from injury, he hasn't seemed to be the player he once was for us. I know I need to give him more time, but still he seems to have lost his intimidating flare in front of goal and around the 24 yard area.


Lehnmann was magnificant, by far the Gunners' 'Man of The Match'. If it wasn't for him, United would have bagged at least four past them no doubt.


Isn't it ironic that Arsenal for the first time in nine games, beat us. And as it just soo happens to be the most important. But thats football. No point complaining about it, just need to be proud of our players for showing such a great display of football. We can only move on from here, put that behind us and carry on and train for next season.



PS: That took a while. :D

[Stella Artois]

My respect for you Thomas increases by the day.

Excellent post.

[Singh]

No point complaining about it, just need to be proud of our players for showing such a great display of football.

Exactly.

Man utd had beaten arsenal 3 times already this season, just like liverpool beating Chelsea change was bound to occur.

A very good post btw hunter

[Gadge]

My respect for you Thomas increases by the day.

Excellent post.
He's a dGalactico. We expect little else lol.

[Hunter]

My respect for you Thomas increases by the day.

Excellent post.

I would like to thank you for your comment.


Man utd had beaten arsenal 3 times already this season, just like liverpool beating Chelsea change was bound to occur.

A very good post btw hunter

Yeah true, Liverpool just had the motivation and drive. Not saying Chelsea didn't but Liverpool were underdogs and as the saying goes: "Every underdog has his day."

Thanks for the comment also Singh.


Just needed to express my 'Match Report' somehow. :D

EDIT: Has anyone heard about this so-called apporach from Chelsea to swoop Cristiano Ronaldo ?

[Hunter]

That's about as funny as finding out you have cancer.

Well thats awfully nice of you Haribo. :mellow:

Apparently Chelsea are opening the Ronaldo bidding at £20 Million. In my opinion Sir Alex won't sell him unless its for a ridiculous price tag. Even if you dislike Ronaldo, its fair to say we all know he's becoming something very special to the sport.



EDIT: I see you deleted your post Haribo..:rolleyes:.....

[vanNistelrooy]

I agree that Styles had a good game. My friend's father is a referee, and knows Rob, says he's a bit of a wanker, it all goes to his head. He had a great game but I feel the Reyes sending off was a little unnecessary, as he blew up for FT straight after, he should have just blown up without sending him off.

[Stella Artois]

I feel Vieria and Scholes were both lucky to be on the pitch, some of their needless fouling was ridiculous at times.

[Stevie Baby]

You see? It's amazing how well Ronaldo can play when he doesnt dive ;)

Anyway Manchester fans, you should all be very proud of (some) of your players, they did put in a better performance but like ol' Stella said, it's goals that matter, blame RVN.
I still dont think Lehmann played that well. Sure he saved a penalty, big whoop, there were better Arsenal players on the field.

[Stella Artois]

Lehman was immense.

Trust me, i've seen him fook up all season long, so when he has a good game, I recognise it. ;)

Why aren't you on MSN?

[Stevie Baby]

Half the time I cant be naffed, PLUS i avoided someones party tonight and I've been getting phone calls and threats all day, I just know that one of them is 'appearing offline' just so they can ambush me.

[Stella Artois]

Tut tut, naughty boy!

If you're going to do that, at least have an excuse ready. ;)

On topic:

Oh how I wish Stoneman still visited this site. :(

[Stevie Baby]

Yea, and how we would laugh as you two went at each others throats. Shame.

[Original?]

Manchester United didn't really play all that well, they had a good game nothing spectacular. Ronaldo had a great game though, how Rooney got the Man of the Match is beyond me, I'm sure Arsenal would rather have had Rooney playing as he did rather than Ronaldo as he was.

Lehman was definitely not immense, he made one more than average save, the rest were all saves you'd be surprised if he didn't make. A couple of claims he made from crosses were good but he made up for that by completely missing one he came for. At least he was better than Carrol ;)

Manchester United had some players on top form and played rather well and were the better team, but they only have themselves to blaim, despite Arsenal's best effort to the contrary they couldn't get a goal.

I was rather happy with the result anyway. :)

[Hunter]

He had a great game but I feel the Reyes sending off was a little unnecessary, as he blew up for FT straight after, he should have just blown up without sending him off.


Well to be honest he should have seen a second yellow straight after that terrible tackle on Silvestre. No intention for the ball but he decided to slide anyway already knowing the ball had gone.

I agree with Stella, both Vieira and also Scholes should have walked. Scholes must be quite possibly the worst timed tackler in the Premiership.

I am also very suprised that Mr. Rooney didn't accumalate a booking. He is usually the yellow-card 'trend setter' in these sorts of matches. I must say he didn't go ranting and raving at the referee half as much as he tends to.


Just got to wonder what might happen when United and Arsenal meet yet again next season....

[Wu-Tang]

Indeed I did. Thanks for telling me what I had already wrote.

Stella ur such a joker, so fucking funny at times! :lol:

[Jonny2J]

Man Utd Fans Have Taken To Smashing Windows In Cardiff To Vent Their Rage............

Police say they're calling in the Glazer

:lol: Taxi For Me!

[Phatmann]

Man Utd Fans Have Taken To Smashing Windows In Cardiff To Vent Their Rage............

Police say they're calling in the Glazer

:lol: Taxi For Me!
:lol: Nice one Jonny, needed a laugh :D .

[gollan]

Jonny where's that MUTV thing you were showing me before?

[Jonny2J]

Jonny where's that MUTV thing you were showing me before?in the gooners thread mate

[gollan]

:blush:
Yeah I know I thought maybe the guys here wanted to see it as well.

:innocent:

[adams9802]

Here's a nice pic of your winger
;)
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0d9df/giraffe3.gif

[LiamK]

If it's any consolation to the United fans here, you may have lost the final, but I understand you made the Arsenal run like little girls outside Dempsey's after the game.

Every cloud...

[skullverine]

very disappointed.. Manchester United States of America should've won but its football, everything can happen.. I also think Ruud should've scored when he had the easy chance

[Akineye]

Here's a nice pic of your winger

Glad all your players are hard bastards like your captain.

http://gamesxposed.com/upload/images69/diavieira.1116836472.gif

"He'll put the priest in his pocket, put the blade to the heat, take the motherless children and place them at the feet of the harlot"

[vandermeyde]

haha that just shows Vieira for his real self. A hateful yob who talks the talk but can't beat Keane/Gerrard/Lampard in a midfield battle. That dive is funny yet sad in a way that he has to resort to that. I know i'm gonna get the van nistelrooy, rooney, ronaldo jibes here, so i'll mention pires, bergkamp, ljungberg first

[gollan]

But vieira can score penos, can't he?
poor sods. The look on Fergie's face was rare. He just couldn't understand how come man U had 10,000 chances and couldn't score, and in the end they won fuck all.

Oh the tragedy.

[vandermeyde]

Yea that is true, pity that they need penalties to win, (sheff utd and the final for example)

[pier69]

man utd played great , but they didnt capitalize at all , i thought there was once chance where ronaldo crossed a perfect ball to ruud's legs , but instead of driving them in , he wanna be fancy and tried to ack heel the ball , that one chance could be the deciding factor of the whole game

[Scarface]

haha that just shows Vieira for his real self. A hateful yob who talks the talk but can't beat Keane/Gerrard/Lampard in a midfield battle.

:lol: Oh dear, that is the most ridiculous thing I have heard today. I sympathise with you for losing after outplaying us for the majority of the match, but that statement is just silly, and obviously coming from a bitter Man U fan, given the amount of times Keane, Lampard and Gerrard have not even got close to Vieira in a midfield battle.

[Darth Daft]

its still a long way back that vieira did anything against us to be honest...

[Darth Daft]

Listening to TalkSport located in some pub full of United fans in Cardiff.

In the background your lot are singing Celery!

That's our fucking song! Sing Glory Glory Man United or something you unimaginative bastards!


ok its a deal, please stop singing "we'll keep the blue flag flying high" first though :)

[adams9802]

its still a long way back that vieira did anything against us to be honest...
true, its been a while since our whole team did anything against you. Sad really. You can smell our fear when we play you.

I can't really understand all this whining about it though. What about Bayern fans think how that must feel.

[methical]

arsenal 1 the cup
hahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Gary G]

arsenal 1 the cup
hahahahahahahahahahahaha

That's a really well-thought out reply, top marks.

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[Darth Daft]

true, its been a while since our whole team did anything against you. Sad really. You can smell our fear when we play you.

I can't really understand all this whining about it though. What about Bayern fans think how that must feel.

no i like it that your team is scared & nervous when they play us, certainly makes me feel good when i watch the games :)

I dont think anything can compare to what we did to the bayern fans, that was truly soul destroying.

but it was still hard to take. Even missing more than one penalty would have made it slightly easier to take.

ho-hum, next season awaits.

[vandermeyde]

:lol: Oh dear, that is the most ridiculous thing I have heard today. I sympathise with you for losing after outplaying us for the majority of the match, but that statement is just silly, and obviously coming from a bitter Man U fan, given the amount of times Keane, Lampard and Gerrard have not even got close to Vieira in a midfield battle.

What are you on about? In games this season, Keane has outplayed Vieira, Gerrard has outplayed Vieira and Lampard has ouplayed Vieira. Also the reasonthey haven't got close is because they don't spend most of the time on the ground or beside the ref obviously slipping him some payment to keep the diver on the pitch

[adams9802]

What are you on about? In games this season, Keane has outplayed Vieira, Gerrard has outplayed Vieira and Lampard has ouplayed Vieira. Also the reasonthey haven't got close is because they don't spend most of the time on the ground or beside the ref obviously slipping him some payment to keep the diver on the pitch
I agree Keano has outplayed Vieira. Gerrard did in one game but was out classed in the other.Vieira had a poor run of form so its not suprising that he's put in a few bad games.

[Scarface]

What are you on about? In games this season, Keane has outplayed Vieira, Gerrard has outplayed Vieira and Lampard has ouplayed Vieira. Also the reasonthey haven't got close is because they don't spend most of the time on the ground or beside the ref obviously slipping him some payment to keep the diver on the pitch

You said Vieira ''can't beat Keane/Gerrard/Lampard in a midfield battle'' when over the past 7 or 8 seasons he has shown he quite clearly can. If you judge Vieira by this season alone, then yeah, Keane and Gerrard may have got the better of him, but i'd like to know how many times Lampard has in his career? Vieira has had a disappointing season by his standards, but he has dominated Keane, Gerrard and Lampard on numerous occasions so to say he can't win a midfield battle against those 3 midfielders is ridiculous.

[vanNistelrooy]

What about Bayern fans think how that must feel.

Yeah but we didn't set out for penalties from the word go. Plus we actually scored, unlike Arsenal. I have no pity for Bayern fans. I heard the day after, on the radio from someone who was at the game, that when they got a corner, somewhen in the last 10 mins one of their players turned around to the fans and waved, thinking they had the game already won.

[vanNistelrooy]

given the amount of times Keane, Lampard and Gerrard have not even got close to Vieira in a midfield battle.

Keane vs Viera, hardly been a walkover on Viera's part has it!?

[Scarface]

Keane vs Viera, hardly been a walkover on Viera's part has it!?

On a few occasions it has been, yes.

[vanNistelrooy]

On a few occasions it has been, yes.

OK, you list the occasions Viera has clearly got the better of Keane, and visa versa. Then answer the question again. To say he has "dominated" Keane is farsicle. If you're going by the fact Viera has been on winning Arsenal teams vs Man Utd, then I guess he "dominated" Keane on Saturday. Then again I guess Campo has dominated Viera.

[adams9802]

Yeah but we didn't set out for penalties from the word go. Plus we actually scored, unlike Arsenal. I have no pity for Bayern fans. I heard the day after, on the radio from someone who was at the game, that when they got a corner, somewhen in the last 10 mins one of their players turned around to the fans and waved, thinking they had the game already won.
yes I'm sure Wenger wanted it to go :rolleyes: He tried to have a very stable and compact formation espcially midfield. It however obviously didn't work. It was about as bad as the Liverpool game this year at Anfield, a truly horrid display. I think that it was even worse that we had men across the middle of the park and still couldn't control it. Oh now you know what it feels like when Liverpool did to us in 2001.

[pokey]

victory is so so sweet any of you no the rippings i get off m8s everytime we lose to u's?
its not fair
but the crap display from arsenal made ma m8s that bit more pissed
:)
its a great feeling

[Akineye]

No point in whingeing; we failed to score in two hours football and it ultimately cost us some silverware. It's the story of the season. But we did play well and we created enough chances to have won in both normal time and extra time.

However the result was largely insignificant when you consider the Glazer saga these last few months. One silver lining to the cloud is that at least there isn't any FA Cup winner's income or Community Shield revenue for him to get his hands on.

It didn't even seem like that big of occasion to me, it's the end of an era for United that's for sure, possibly even the end of United itself.

To lose like that was a kick in the teeth, and it's a horrible thought that Saturday was our last game before Glazer's dictatorship.

[-=[101st]=-]

to me it seems as though glazer has borrowed money to buy United, and then said to united "you take care of that" by those standards i could buy a football club and then push the debt on to them, how is that fair?

[gollan]

Well it's a got it's own name - it's called "Thin Finance" (where's Original I thought he was the one studying economics). Anyhow, it's not a good thing. You borrow money in order to buy something that you can't normally afford. That's very normal in business. But let's say you only have 1$ and you're borrowing 99$ to buy an asset that's worth 100$. The guarantees to secure the loan, if you only have 1$ to your name, will probably be the asset that you are about to buy. So what you have is:

1. Ownership over the said asset (Man U)
2. The asset (and not you, the owner) is liened to that loan - i.e. if you don't pay the loan, the bank gets the asset.
3. Usually people use this technique to buy-and-sell assets, and make money over the exchange.
4. It doesn't make sense to me when it's a football team, and it's not good news. It means that the club will be in serious debt caused only by the transfer in ownership.
5. No one said it was fair.
6. Usually in most jurisprudences this "thin financing" thing could serve as grounds for a "veil lifting" lawsuit, i.e. lifting the veil of incorporation and applying the debt of the company (the football club) to the owner (glazer).
7. I'm a die hard Man U hater, but even I think that what's going there is just bad.

[-=[101st]=-]

hmm, yea, it doesnt seem right to me, i guess it works in the sense of a car or a house, but not a company or a football team, its a bit of a joke

at first i didnt care about the glazer thing because i didnt really know what the go was, but now, i liked the sign at the FA Cup final that said "Die Glazer" its just wrong and unethical to do what he has done, if he could afford it, different stroy, but dont buy a company and then put them into debt, thats just crazy

/edit that's what happens when you have a nancy boy who cant teach as a business studies teacher, lol, i should have known what that was called (thanks gollan)

[Original?]

Se Gollan's post, I'm also a devout Man United hater but still I don't think Glazer's takeover bid should be allowed. An amusing turn of events would be for the government to now nationalise Manchester United. ;)

[methical]

That's a really well-thought out reply, top marks.

1?

i know it was a little childish but i was over the moon, had 10 seconds to say something and i hate man fuckin yoo
honestly we were unbeleavably lucky and bringing on giggs ws great coz ronaldo was less of a problem after that

[Darth Daft]

EXPLANATION OF GLAZER'S DEBT FINANCING PROPOSALS

as contained in his Circular dated 23 May 2005

THE FULL HORROR REVEALED

Summary

Glazer has taken on up to £921 million of debt, both personal and
corporate, to acquire United.

If this debt is allowed to run for at least 7 years, then the accumulated
repayment value could reach as high as £1.5 billion.

The debt leveraged on United's assets could be as much as £700 million
within 6 months of closing of the offer.

Servicing that £700 million debt (interest & principal repayments) would
average out at approx. £85 million p.a. for the first 7 years, increasing
substantially thereafter

Glazer could reduce the debt burden by the sale & leaseback of Old
Trafford, which might net him £200 million.

In that case, servicing the debt could still cost the club an estimated £55
million per year, plus the annual OT lease payment.

The offer document contains no detail on how the club might generate enough
cash to pay down this debt and no commitments on transfer funds or other
key issues for United fans and small shareholders.

Manchester United is in peril as never before. No other football club has
ever had a debt burden of this size, and there is no real prospect of
clearing this debt for many years to come.

Nick Towle, SU Chair
More comprehensive details here:
http://www.suforum.org/downloads/Glazer_Financing_Analysis.doc

It cannot work. Glazer is doomed to failure - its just a matter of time and
how much damage he does. We must all do everything in our power so that the
parasite is removed as quickly as possible. Then we may have an
unprecedented opportunity to take United into supporter ownership.

We hope that Shareholders United's "MUFC Phoenix Fund" will play a major
role in that.

[gollan]

Sad indeed. It doesn't look like the guy has a sound financial plan. 921 mil?!?!? Good luck. The only thing (which is sad) that comes to my mind is that he's going to go public in a year or two and the utd supporters will be the ones buying stocks - this time - high, in order to save the club. To think of it, it's pretty clever (if this is the plan) I mean you guys done it once, and I don't think you can come up with an asset that could go public that will have an emotional value rather than an economical one. So people will willfuly and knowingly buy shares of a losing asset just to save it.

A horror script? Maybe. But it could happen.

[-=[101st]=-]

Here's a nice pic of your winger
;)
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0d9df/giraffe3.gif

lol, this is like 2 pages back, but it deserves a mention, i laughed so hard when i saw that. nice adams9802

[pokey]

lol me too my m8s dont like it tho :P :P

[skullverine]

whatever Glazer plan is I hope Manchester United States of America will not become Leeds II

[Akineye]

whatever Glazer plan is I hope Manchester United States of America will not become Leeds II

What follows is a Circular dated 23 May 2005 from Nick Towle.

Glazer has taken on up to £921 million of debt, both personal and corporate, to acquire United.

If this debt is allowed to run for at least 7 years, then the accumulated repayment value could reach as high as £1.5 billion.

The debt leveraged on United's assets could be as much as £700 million within 6 months of closing of the offer.

Servicing that £700 million debt (interest & principal repayments) would average out at approx. £85 million p.a. for the first 7 years, increasing substantially thereafter.

Glazer could reduce the debt burden by the sale & leaseback of Old Trafford, which might net him £200 million.

In that case, servicing the debt could still cost the club an estimated £55 million per year, plus the annual OT lease payment.

The offer document contains no detail on how the club might generate enough cash to pay down this debt and no commitments on transfer funds or other key issues for United fans and small shareholders.

Manchester United is in peril as never before. No other football club has ever had a debt burden of this size, and there is no real prospect of
clearing this debt for many years to come.

Nick Towle, SU Chair.

Oh, and you should stop calling United 'Manchester United States of America'.

[Cannon ball]

The American team lost and the English team won. A US team in an english FA cup final, what next?

http://img151.echo.cx/img151/1574/41153543glazerbuccs20313tl.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Akineye]

The American team lost and the English team won. A US team in an english FA cup final, what next?

An entertaining, witty and original Ciddy fan.

[skullverine]

Oh, and you should stop calling United 'Manchester United States of America'.
why? Manchester United PLC is dead. I took the name from Swish

[Akineye]

why? Manchester United PLC is dead. I took the name from Swish

It just makes you look dumb.

[AgentZero]

The American team lost and the English team won. A US team in an english FA cup final, what next?

http://img151.echo.cx/img151/1574/41153543glazerbuccs20313tl.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)


so lame.....whats new these days?

[7RONALDO7]

Roy Carrol and Ricardo have been released by Manchester United today, so this means at least United are definatly going to buy a new Goalkeeper and hopefully a left sided midfielder in Van Der Vaart.

[chris248]

six youngsters have also been released today. these being Ramon Calliste, Ben Collett, Daniel Nardiello, David Poole, Lee Lawrence and Paul Tierney.

im a bit suprised with the carroll release because his agent had stated earlier in the week that he was due to sign a new contract soon. united must bring in a new goalkeeper in the summer now as it currently leaves us with howard as our number one with steele as his back-up

[skullverine]

I hope Utd SA will sign Frey and a creative midfielder

a bit surprised about the Carroll's release because I heard he just sign a new contract

[Singh]

Im glad carolls gone it just shows man utd will make a big name signing hopefully. I heard toldos name being mentioned alot. Not too sure about frey, Niemi maybe?.

[Stevie Baby]

What about Green if he leaves Norwich City?

[skullverine]

dont know.

heard about a GK playing for the la liga. I think his name is Kamini. Heard he's good, so maybe Utd should try to sign him

[Hunter]

dont know.

heard about a GK playing for the la liga. I think his name is Kamini. Heard he's good, so maybe Utd should try to sign him


Carlos Ivan Kameni would be an amazing buy for the club. Kameni is one of the top goalkeepers in the world. Age is also on his side with him being only 21 so Manchester United goalkeeper problems maybe over for the next decade if we manage to get Kameni.

He is also the youngest football player ever to win a gold medal at the Olympics. The young goalkeeper made some incredible saves especially in the semi-final against Chile. He also made the save in the penalty shoot-out to give Cameroon gold beating Spain. Was also at the World Youth Cup in 1999. Was part of the Cameroon squad for the 2001 Confederations Cup.

[Papa Lazarou]

I Think we need an older, more established keeper to join us. One who is a definate class keeper in the Premiership: GIVEN or Robinson should be our two targets cause they are proven in the premiership. Plus Howards only young and he will definately come good again

[Guillermo]

I think getting Given would be a poor decision. We can get much bettter.

What's this whole rumour in The Sun about Fergie getting £100m transfer funds and making a £35m bid for Buffon? (Bull shit me thinks)

a bit surprised about the Carroll's release because I heard he just sign a new contract

Nah he didn't. United has been presenting him with an offer for about a year, but Carroll has always wanted a better offer, and now eventually negotiations has ended permanently and he's gone.

[marcrulz]

thats pure sun rubbish

[Jonny2J]

I think getting Given would be a poor decision. We can get much bettter.
guessing you've never seen Shay play then

[Guillermo]

guessing you've never seen Shay play then

Yes but think of the quality there is around. I don't think he should be a Man United no.1. And plus any transfers from a Premiership club to another always costs more than they are actually worth.

[Jonny2J]

Yes but think of the quality there is around. I don't think he should be a Man United no.1. And plus any transfers from a Premiership club to another always costs more than they are actually worth.until Cech stormed in, i'd say there was only Cudicini at Shay's level in the prem

[Guillermo]

until Cech stormed in, i'd say there was only Cudicini at Shay's level in the prem

I think there is much better quality outside of the Prem that would cost less. Like Jan Las'tuvka, who would only cost a measly £2m.

[Akineye]

Given would be a great signing. He's easily one of the best 'keepers in the Premiership. I haven't seen enough of Kameni to say who is better, but it would seem that Given is a little fed up of not winning silverware with Newcastle according to a recent interview, so we stand a big chance of buying him.

[Papa Lazarou]

Well this thread has been like a tomb recently so i thought i'd liven it up.

Do you realistically think that we can win the treble again any time soon. I say 3 years time and we'll be ready!!

[marcrulz]

go for casillas, hes in the last year of his contract and will be cheap.

[Akineye]

Well this thread has been like a tomb recently so i thought i'd liven it up.

Do you realistically think that we can win the treble again any time soon. I say 3 years time and we'll be ready!!

In one word, no.

I can't see any team winning the treble within the next twenty years.

[Singh]

Yea i can.

A team will win a treble within the next 20 years aswell.

[RawIsWar]

Man Utd wont win the treble for at least 10 more years. Chelsea will dominate English football

[Hunter]

Man Utd wont win the treble for at least 10 more years. Chelsea will dominate English football


If Manchester United or Arsenal make some signings worth while then Chelsea will definetely not dominate English football. Even though Chelsea have quite a waddle of cash, they aren't going to be spending nowhere near the amount of their previous season or two.

If United get Torres and also Kameni we will pretty much be able to compete with the likes of Chelsea and possibly succeed. I'm not going to say Arsenal as our matches with the Gunners are usually pot-luck. It usually comes down to who is better prepared 'mentally'.


Is it true that we (United) are favourites in the race for Fernando Torres ?

[Stella Artois]

I've heard we are favourites, as his mate (Reyes) plays for us. Meh.

I'm surprised United fan's believe that their will be a lot of activity at the club. Forgot Glazer?

[Hunter]

I've heard we are favourites, as his mate (Reyes) plays for us. Meh.

I'm surprised United fan's believe that their will be a lot of activity at the club. Forgot Glazer?

We'd like to forget all about him, that is why we haven't really been discussing him over the last week+.

How much do you all reckon Kameni would be bought for saying we do actually get him ?

Kameni - £8M - £10M is my opinion anyway.

[Stella Artois]

If I'm perfectly honest, I hardly know the guy. Is he a known target for United?

Who else would you want realistically (given Glazer and the finances...)?

[Hunter]

Carlos Ivan Kameni

He is the youngest football player ever to win a gold medal at the Olympics. The young goalkeeper made some incredible saves especially in the semi-final against Chile. He also made the save in the penalty shoot-out to give Cameroon gold beating Spain. Was also at the World Youth Cup in 1999. Was part of the Cameroon squad for the 2001 Confederations Cup.


Kameni would be a great buy for the club, he is a superb goalkeeper on the rise. Currently playing for Espanyol.


Also realistically, I would like Henry. :D
In all seriousness, a replacement for Giggs. If we join the bid for Robinho, he could possibly fill the slot depending on the squad. Highly unlikely to bid for him though but hes within range I would say.

Michael Essien would be a dream buy. Such a great midfielder, dibbed to be the next Keane or Vieira he can't be bad eh. Currently playing for Lyon and several clubs want his signature. He is affordable I would say, £15M - £20M would do the trick. But I also hear Arsenal are interested.

Fernando Torres would be a good asset to United with his youth as well. He would be a great player to have. Might sound silly, but we need another striker as in all honesty I think Ruud has had it.

Aghahowa would be good for the club also. Great eye for goal along with unbelievably blistering pace. He would be banging them in for fun if he adapts correctly.


All I can think of for now, I might post more if they come to mind.

P.S. Do you think any of these would consider a move to United ?

[Estill]

I had the strangest dream last night, United got relegated :'(

Basically, we were third with one game left, and because we lost it we dropped down 15 places and slipped into the Championship! How strange I thought, funny thing is I woke up and thought it had really happened, so I ran downstairs and checked the papers to see if it was true :D

Lets just hope we never see relegation eh, dreaming it was traumatic enough :D

[Guillermo]

P.S. Do you think any of these would consider a move to United ?

I don't really see Aghahowa coming to us, and clubs will be a lot more willing to pay more money for Torres than us. Essien likes United and I think we could get him, but if we had the funds available and if other teams, including money bag Chelsea werent bidding for him.

I'm sad to say this, but I really don't see United doing a lot of transfers over the summer. We might buy a fair few no name youngsters, but no big name, big reputation players. Who knows we could buy an American squad with Glazer around (but knowing him he'd probably buy American footballers). Realistically and unfortunately I can see Rob Green and another Championship ability player coming our way :(

We can just continue to hope that something fortunate happens for us, or we might even have to us our good veterans to intice players in.

[Singh]

Fergie to get £10m Rob
Alex Ferguson is back in the hunt for Paul Robinson and is preparing a mega-money move for the Tottenham keeper. Manchester United gaffer Fergie has been a long-time admirer of the England international. His interest had cooled but now he is finally ready to table a bid after being priced out of the market for top target Gianluigi Buffon. Robinson has indicated he wants to stay with Spurs and is set to sign a new deal. But United believe that with the right deal the lure of Champions League football next season could be too difficult to resist. And if an offer from Old Trafford was too good - £10m or more - then the London club would have no choice but to accept.
Charlie Wyett and Neil Custis, The Sun
Ji-Sung's a walk in the Park

Manchester United have stepped up their efforts to sign highly-rated PSV Eindhoven midfielder Ji-Sung Park. The 24-year-old South Korean international impressed United boss Sir Alex Ferguson in this season's Champions League, helping Guus Hiddink's side reach the semi-finals. Park is valued at £3million, but United may have to pay more as he is hugely popular in Asia and therefore a massive commercial asset. United chief executive David Gill will fly out to Holland this weekend hoping to finalise a deal. Gill is confident he can land Park as he has just one year left on his PSV contract. He is currently on World Cup duty with South Korea. However, if a price can be agreed he will fly back to England for United's Far East pre-season tour. The fact that United previously signed PSV stars Ruud van Nistelrooy and Jaap Stam in controversial circumstances has spiced up negotiations. Relations between United and the Dutch club were also strained by Arjen Robben's visit to Manchester last year before a fee was agreed.
Alan Nixon, Daily Mirror

Park interest intensifies
Manchester United's interest in South Korea World Cup midfielder Park Si-Jung intensified last night when the player's agent told them that the 24-year-old is ready to move to Old Trafford. With one year left on his PSV Eindhoven contract, the Dutch club could be forced to sell this summer.
Staff reporter, Daily Mail

Wenger and Fergie chase £2m Niemi
Arsenal and Manchester United were on alert last night after Southampton put Antti Niemi up for sale at a cut-price £2m. Niemi, 32, has been told he can leave St Mary's as boss Harry Redknapp attempts to rebuild following relegation from the Premiership. Arsenal, just like United, have been scouring Europe in their desperation for a new No 1.
Neil Ashton, Daily Mail

Glazer may cash in on Roo 'n Ron
Manchester United will have to sell star players like Wayne Rooney or Cristiano Ronaldo to pay for Malcolm Glazer's takeover. That is the shock prospect which the club's supporters' trust claim they have unearthed from studying the new owner's business plan. A Shareholders United spokesman warned: "The situation carries major implications for Sir Alex Ferguson (or the next manager) in terms of player transfer budgets and contracts." The worst scenario is that Glazer cannot generate the extra profit, so has to sell players to meet his debts.

[toucan-boy]

So then i will kick us off, what do you guys reckon to our CL draw?

I reckon we should beat porto and i remember when we played them a few years back in the QF (4-0) :D

Hey you guys...
United will meet Brøndby the danish gods... And you wont get in the Champions League... Weve just beaten the reigning Champions FCK 5-0...

See ya next season...

[Stella Artois]

Singh, your quotes seem to contradict each other.

One says that you will splash £10 million out on Paul Robinson, another suggests you may have to sell your best players.

Just goes to show, absolutely no-one knows what Glazer's plans are.

[Guillermo]

Hey you guys...
United will meet Brøndby the danish gods... And you wont get in the Champions League... Weve just beaten the reigning Champions FCK 5-0...

See ya next season...

Wow isn't that marvellous, now go away. Why a Chelsea badge as a avatar you glory hunter?

[Akineye]

There's a lot of deluded reds.

We definitely WON'T sign Torres unless Ruud leaves because, frankly, we can't afford him.

It's very unlikely we will buy Essien, he's even said he would reject all other offers in order to play for Chelski.

If United get Torres and also Kameni we will pretty much be able to compete with the likes of Chelsea and possibly succeed.

No we wont. Unless we find two worldclass midfielders then we still won't be able to compete with Chelski.

United won't sign Robinho, and we won't sign Agahowa for that matter either.

Realistically and unfortunately I can see Rob Green and another Championship ability player coming our way

I very much doubt a single Championship player will join us over the summer.

Who else would you want realistically (given Glazer and the finances...)?

Park Ji-Sung for £3 million.
A decent 'keeper- take your pick from Niemi, Given, Kameni, Casillas, Robinson, Lastuvka, Buffon, Isaksson.
And a worldclass central midfielder.

Of course our transfer dealings depend on who we sell this year, if we can get more than £24 million for Ruud then I reckon we should definitely sell him.

[Stella Artois]

No way in hell would you get that for Ruud. You only bought him for £19 million and last season he was awful!

[Akineye]

You only bought him for £19 million and last season he was awful!

He's still one of the best finishers in the world.

There's few strikers today who can boast his phonomenal goal scoring record. He still has at least 3 season left in him and we could easily get over £20 million for him.

I would also consider selling Rio, due to the fact that I can't stand the slack-jawed mercenary and he's spat in the face of the loyalty to him shown by the club. But I doubt we'd get much more than the £30 million we paid.

[Stella Artois]

Let's agree to disagree.

We can agree that VN is good at finishing (nothing else mind ;)).

However, I don't believe a single club in the world would pay over £20 million for Van Nistelrooy.

[Singh]

Aint that ruuds job to finish?, anyway i was just reporting some of the transfer rumours i heard today regarding man utd im not saying man utd are going to sell there best players thats what the papers are saying. Last season ruud was below par but he started like 16 matches, but i suppose 126 goals in 172 games is not too bad :)

However every cloud does have a silver lining what with Ashley cole saying i wont sign a new contract and dein has ruined my career its not too bad.(Read tommorow's times)

[codename 47]

The Holland international has agreed a two-year contract at Old Trafford and will undergo a medical after returning from international duty.

The 34-year-old moved to Fulham from Juventus for £5m in August 2001, and made 153 appearances for the Cottagers.

More to follow.

Thats all bbc sport have at the moment
a few questions i have are why din't they sign him on a free when they had the chance erlier in the year ?
is £2-3 million alot for a 34 year goalkeeper as good as he is ?

[Guillermo]

The full Van Der Sar story (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4611715.stm)


Suprising really, we have been linked with a lot of other keepers more than him.

[Papa Lazarou]

It said it was an undisclosed fee and £2 million is good for a goalkeeper of Van Der Sars ability and experience. What this also does is gives Howard a chance to get improve and regain the form he had when he joined us 2 seasons ago

[Akineye]

I'd rather have signed Given...

Plus £2 million is a lot of money for a 34 year old.

[Harry-Kewell]

Van der Sar definitely is one of the best goalkeepers in the Premiership. He’s a good cheap solution for the time being (next 2 years or so).

[chris248]

van der sar is a good keeper, and will be a good signing for the next two seasons. i think one of the main reasons fergie wants to sign him to allow the younger keepers like howard and steele to learn from him. he did something similar once he bought laurent blanc to learn the defenders

[kallum]

Very good signing there...

That'll do the world of good for united....

All you need now is 10 decent outfield players...

[Papa Lazarou]

Very good signing there...

That'll do the world of good for united....

All you need now is 10 decent outfield players...

Oh Ha ha ha very funny!! Or to be more precise NOT funny

[kallum]

Oh Ha ha ha very funny!! Or to be more precise NOT funny

Shut up. I'd rather not get in an argument, in which you might post things you regret that get you banned.

I mean, another day or two of this site would be hell wouldn't it? :rolleyes:

[vandermeyde]

Right GK out of the way,alright signing for me, better than Niemi IMO. Anyway, targets now are a defensive midfielder (Parker/Gattuso/Carrick) and maybe a new RB, Neville is becoming injury prone, and as seen in everton game, a hot head. I;m not saying replace him immdeiately, just sign a defender who can cover Rb and maybe CB. Sergio Ramos?

[Jonny2J]

Carrick and Parker aint defensive midfielders

[AgentZero]

Right GK out of the way,alright signing for me, better than Niemi IMO. Anyway, targets now are a defensive midfielder (Parker/Gattuso/Carrick) and maybe a new RB, Neville is becoming injury prone, and as seen in everton game, a hot head. I;m not saying replace him immdeiately, just sign a defender who can cover Rb and maybe CB. Sergio Ramos?


Ramos would be a handful to sign as most of the big teams are after him also being a young prodigy, but i reckon United should try and sign Daniel Bonera from Parma or possibly sagnol

[codename 47]

United are believed to have made their interest known to Zaragoza and are ready to rival Valencia for his signature.

Valencia have been in talks with Real Zaragoza for Villa for the last few days and are keen to bring him to La Mestalla.

Real Zaragoza are resigned to losing Villa due to their financial problems, but they are insistent that he will not be sold on the cheap.

Villa's release clause stands at €12 million and although Valencia are only offering €9 million Zaragoza are determined to get every penny for the striker.

Villa is regarded as one of the best young strikers in Spain and he was strongly linked with a move to Liverpool last January before they signed Fernando Morientes.

The 23-year-old enjoyed a productive season with Zaragoza last term netting 18 goals and breaking into the national team set-up.

His performances appear to have caught the eye of United boss Sir Alex Ferguson and he is hoping to lure him to Old Trafford.

News of United's interest in Villa comes as something of a surprise as they have an abundance of attacking talent already at Old Trafford with the likes of Wayne Rooney, Ruud van Nistelrooy, Alan Smith and Louis Saha all battling it out for places in the side.

However, it appears that Valencia are firm favourites to clinch Villa's signature with the player thought to be keen on staying in Spain at this stage of his career.

Villa's agent Jose Luis Tamargo has confirmed United's interest and admitted Villa is ready to snub a lucrative contract on offer from United to stay in Spain.

"The player is ready to accept less money to stay in La Liga," said Tamargo.

MAN UTD MOVE FOR VILLA (http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=282651&cpid=23&CLID=&lid=3&title=United+make+Villa+move&channel=Premiership)

Although it looks likely he'll choose valencia over man utd,but if he did sign surely this would mean the end for either louis saha or Van nistelrooy ?
(posted this in the rumour thread as well)

Ramos seems likely to move to Real as i don't think man utd could match the £14million price tag that sevilla have put on him

[vandermeyde]

DO we need a striker, for me i'm confused. Smith doesn't have a great scoring record, Saha is injury prone, van might be passed it and Rooney is more a forward IMO. BUT Smith showed good form at start of season and was unfairly taken out of team, Saha could stay fit and van could be back in good shape. For me i still feel a midfielder is more important, but a cut price move for Owen would be welcomed

[Cristiano07]

no, 4 me a couple of good MF signings is more important,as we have no decent back up in that department

[Morientes19]

owen and villa wont go to manu. Van der saar is 34 and fasterly approaching 35. Good Buy? i am not sure, he will add experince and help the young howard with his experience. the great dane recomended him so he must be good.

[Cristiano07]

im mixed on his signin, at 1st i thought wot a crap buy, but im startin 2 think its not bad as he's experienced and astablished in the prem and will also give howard sum usefull advise

[Morientes19]

also prone to clangers- opta stats show carroll was better (although he did have a better defence)

[Cristiano07]

i know, well thats wot i thought

[Morientes19]

van der sar is a good keeper, and will be a good signing for the next two seasons. i think one of the main reasons fergie wants to sign him to allow the younger keepers like howard and steele to learn from him. he did something similar once he bought laurent blanc to learn the defenders

and blanc was a success?? lol

[chris248]

well blanc was past it by the time he joined united but his experience and knowledge of the game helped the youngsters at the club such as wes brown to improve their defensive ability.

i cant see any sense in buying a new striker unless he wants to sell one, probably saha or smith. a new world class midfielder is needed more and possibly an extra centre back to add cover for rio, silvestre and brown

[Morientes19]

yeah blanc started well but in the end his lack of pace showed as strikers were skinning him for fun!

[Singh]

Yea i saw the opta stats carrol was the best out of howard and Van der sar. Im pleased with the signing an experienced goalkeeper was whats required. Now for a midfielder prefarbly Park. Also regarding carrick he is more of a defensive midfielder during his days at west ham aswell.

[Stella Artois]

You're all kidding yourself if you see numerous players coming to United this season. Haven't any of you realised that you bought Van de Sar, because you can't actually afford to spend a great deal on any player, regardless of their availability.

[Morientes19]

You're all kidding yourself if you see numerous players coming to United this season. Haven't any of you realised that you bought Van de Sar, because you can't actually afford to spend a great deal on any player, regardless of their availability.

good point 2mil for vn saar and 3mil for park. manu dont spend big now!

[vandermeyde]

good point 2mil for vn saar and 3mil for park. manu dont spend big now!

I get more satisfaction seeing a team being built with small signings. Veron for £28million was crap, Kleberson for £7m a waste, Saha £12million not great

Look at b4, Schmeichel £500,000, Cantona £1m, Solskjaer £500,000, Keane £3m etc. Buying small is better, less pressure and more signings can be made.

Look at Arsenal, Vieira, Toure, Campbell, van Persie and Ljungberg were all cheaps and have been amazing for them

[Morientes19]

i never said big money signings are better. Look at Liverpool 11mil on diouf. say no more, fergie is good at finding little gems for little amounts!

[vandermeyde]

fergie is good at finding little gems for little amounts!

He's also got some bad marks on his books lol, Forlan, Taibi, Veron, Djemba Djemba. I was just reading bbc website there. I forgot we had Goram on loan for a couple of games a while ago, possibly the most pointless signing ever.

[Morientes19]

yeah i forgot about the old fat fossil goram. Still manu dont have the spending power they used 2 have. By signing rooney last year fergie blow a most of this yrs budget aswell.

[Solid Foxx]

Well be assured PSV will not sell Park for just £3m

It will work out just like the Robben deal, Man Utd will think they can get a player for a discount price and they will lose out on him.

[Morientes19]

good cause park is worth much more then 3 mil. i just heard in in press

[Welsh_boy]

Look at b4, Schmeichel £500,000, Cantona £1m, Solskjaer £500,000, Keane £3m etc. Buying small is better, less pressure and more signings can be made

It's not because he found "gems" its because it was the older days, you never seen players being sold for £30m in those days. Not because he found cheap gems, but because football has now modernised and you must pay more money for the better players. If United want to fight for the Premiership I am sorry but they need more ambition than Park. Yes hes good, but not that good. If they lose Ferdinand who will they replace him with ? They need to look at the big boys, if spending money meens succes so be it.

If they spend £30m this summer but win the CL and Premiership, wouldnt that be money well spent ? I think it would have.

[chris248]

Well be assured PSV will not sell Park for just £3m

It will work out just like the Robben deal, Man Utd will think they can get a player for a discount price and they will lose out on him.

ive heard that psv will sell park for £3million as his contract is up next year and dont want to lose him for nothing.

united spent this summers transfer budget on rooney, and therefore have little money to spend. david gill said that the only money that would be readily available was if carroll left and a new keeper would be bought in and this has now been done.

unless we see the £20million from malcolm glazer the club has no budget left. so to but we will have to sell players. apart from the first team what players will get large amounts of money in for improvements? i cant think of any except saha or possibly smith.

[Singh]

But man utd have not got alot of money to spend in one season i.e. buying rooney for £30 mill, ferdinand, van nistelrooy £19mill, veron etc. Those days are over, its best to buy young players who will improve over time and build for the future. Also regarding Park his price tag is something like £4 million and he probably will leave what with him having a year left on his contract. Dont forget back in the days there where high transfers still going on i.e Jeffers going to Arsenal for £10 million. Only man utd players that i could see leaving is Saha and kleberson.

[Stella Artois]

Jeffers went for £8 million.

As I've said before, PSV won't sell someone of such quality for such a small amount. Not to mention that other clubs will want him too.

I'm not particularly bothered about who you sign, lately most players you've bought have been awful anyway.

[Singh]

Yea true say c.ronaldo, Rooney, Heinze.

[Stella Artois]

Three players, excellent.

What about Veron, Van der Gouw, Andy Goram, Kleberson, Djemba-Djemba, Taibi, Ricardo?

[Harry-Kewell]

All managers are guilty of signing bad players.

[Singh]

Im mostly talking about latest signings.

Goram-Only bought for short term anyway.

Veron- Failed to live up to his price tag-english footy didnt suit him. Prefers time on the ball.

Van der Gouw-actually didnt do too bad made few dozen apperances in Cl.

Kleberson- Though he used to be a regular in Brazil national team, dont know where he went wrong

Djemba-Djemba- Failed to settle in like kleberson, see how he does for Villa.

Taibi- he was poor

Ricardo- Rubbish

what about all the good signings people tend to forget those.

[Darth Daft]

Three players, excellent.

What about Veron, Van der Gouw, Andy Goram, Kleberson, Djemba-Djemba, Taibi, Ricardo?

I think we can all point to players bought by all clubs for millions that have been shite. Even wengers bought some turkeys. But Arsenal always seem to claw back a decent amount rather than just ditching them for whatever they can get, how much would we have got for Forlan now?

Goram and Ricardo is scraping the barrel a bit though. combined they cost less than djemba djemba and werent meant to be first team anyway. Neither was Van der gouw and to be honest, and i dont really remember him ever being a flop.

you could have had though

Miller
Bosnich
Blanc
extending P Nevilles contract on the terms that they did , 5 years at 55k per week? :realmad: he wont be in a hurry to leave us when hes still getting in the england team anyway.

[Stella Artois]

All managers are guilty of signing bad players.

I don't deny that, however Ferguson has easily made the biggest blunders of the top 3 clubs.

[Darth Daft]

I don't deny that, however Ferguson has easily made the biggest blunders of the top 3 clubs.

thats because hes had the most money to spend and has been in the job a hell of a lot longer than anyone else.

Our scouts have, at times, been a bit shite.

[Stella Artois]

Still, if you're going to spend £28 million on a player, the least you can do is ensure he is the right type of player for the league he will be playing in! There is no excuse for that.

The excuse for the length of time he has been manager is a poor excuse to say the least. The signing's we've all mentioned have been within the last 5 years and in that time Wenger has been the Arsenal manager. Comparing both, Wenger has a far better record.

[Darth Daft]

Still, if you're going to spend £28 million on a player, the least you can do is ensure he is the right type of player for the league he will be playing in! There is no excuse for that.

The excuse for the length of time he has been manager is a poor excuse to say the least. The signing's we've all mentioned have been within the last 5 years and in that time Wenger has been the Arsenal manager. Comparing both, Wenger has a far better record.

yep. but was taking a chance on a world superstar with so much promise at 28m more foolish than buying a player who had been PROVED couldnt cut it in the prem for 15m?

i dunno, that is clearly up for debate. that 5 years is wrong too but im not going to nitpick, taibi was '99 and Van der gouw (not a flop in my eyes at all) before then ;)

basically my point is its easier to get egg on your face when you throw around huge amounts and the most wenger has thrown was 19m? (if he stays and plays) on Reyes. We spent that on Ruud.

But im not saying we aint had our disasters, but to compare them between clubs would be silly. Drogba for 24m was a bit daft, not veron scale, but still not good value. Do they care? do they f*ck.

The only ones laughing in the last 5 years are the players agents while we the fans line their pockets with gold.

[Stella Artois]

I agree with most of what you say.

As you've said, Chelsea couldn't give a damn about wasting money on transfer targets, due to the fact that it doesn't matter to them in the slightest.

I was merely pointing out that in the grand scheme of things (i.e, your need for money now), some of United's signings have been awful.

And Reyes was £10.5 mill with the fee rising depending on many factors.

Last post on the issue.

[AgentZero]

i concurr fergie's signing at times are quite questionable, but compare that to Ranieri's run of poor quick signings Veron and Crespo were the marquee signings and they didn't last, mutu could have been brilliant but his self indulgence go in the way, parker........

[Jonny2J]

Crespo was Chelsea's best striker the year he played....... the stats can back me up on that

[Stella Artois]

i concurr fergie's signing at times are quite questionable, but compare that to Ranieri's run of poor quick signings Veron and Crespo were the marquee signings and they didn't last, mutu could have been brilliant but his self indulgence go in the way, parker........

From what I've been told, Veron wasn't a player Ranieri even wanted at the club.

[AgentZero]

yeh but too bad he unfortunately he wasn't wanted (crespo that is) i prefer him more than that mule drogba, i guess Ranieri couldn't pass up the opportunity in signing a player of Veron calibre back in his lazio days.

[vandermeyde]

Looks like Park may be on his way. What you guys think of him, i've only seen him in Champions league this season and World Cup. He seems alright, works hard and looks fast.

Maybe this guy and a defensive midfielder will complete our spending this summer.

[Solid Foxx]

Looks like Park may be on his way. What you guys think of him, i've only seen him in Champions league this season and World Cup. He seems alright, works hard and looks fast.

Maybe this guy and a defensive midfielder will complete our spending this summer.

He was one of PSV's most important players of this season. He played very consistent over almost all of the games.

What I personally like about him is that he looks like he doesn't get tired, he attacks and defends almost constantly. He also has a great acceleration (not a great top speed) and he can shoot pretty well with both feet.

[AgentZero]

i thik he'll flop (yet again) notice he flourished in only under guus hiddink guidance, i thinkSAF will screw w/ his mind

[pier69]

why dun an utd use kleberson , he is always left out , man utd should use him i think he's a great central midfielder , no need of purchasing another dmf

[AgentZero]

besides the brazil campaign of 02 kleb has been lifeless, when he played he hasn't performed and is usually below par.

[Solid Foxx]

i thik he'll flop (yet again) notice he flourished in only under guus hiddink guidance, i thinkSAF will screw w/ his mind

Well the first two seasons at PSV he was just as crap as he now is good. At the beginning of last season Hiddink told him that if he didn't deliver his best he might as well go back to Korea.

And he answered him with some great (and some brilliant) displays over the just ended season.

I think he would be able to replace Giggs, but as with most of the asian players its still a gamble how they will adjust to a new culture.

[king reyes]

Park is a quality player.He tore up A.C. Milan's defense with his pace and skill,and both of those are useful attributes in the Premiership.

[Morientes19]

true, but oriental players area risk (as stated early) inamato looked good for japan wot a flop he was in the prem. I agree park is a quality player, he does tend to miss a lot of chances though.

[Highway Penguin]

Malcolm Glazer appointed his three sons Tuesday to the board of Manchester United, extending his control over the world's richest soccer club.

Glazer, the owner of the NFL's Tampa Bay Buccaneers, became majority shareholder of Man United on May 16.

In a statement to the stock exchange, the club said Joel, Bryan and Avram Glazer would become non-executive directors. Roy Gardner resigned as chairman, along with non-executive directors Ian Much and Jim O'Neill.

Joel Glazer, 38, and his 40-year-old brother Bryan are executive vice presidents of the Buccaneers and have "extensive sports management experience," the statement said.

Avram Glazer, 44, is the president and chief executive of the Zapata Corp. and its two subsidiaries, Safety Components International Inc. and Omega Protein Corp.

Malcolm Glazer owns a 76.2 percent stake in Man United as part of a 790-million pound (US$1.47 billion) takeover of the club. He is offering to buy out the remaining shareholders and hopes to take the club off the stock market by June 22.

United said Andy Anson had been appointed to the board as commercial director. He joined United in February 2004.

Wow, not sure if any of you have seen this yet, but damn.
It's like watching your club be eaten away at.

[Darth Daft]

Wow, not sure if any of you have seen this yet, but damn.
It's like watching your club be eaten away at.


yeah, well, life goes on. United will never die. I like to just shout lalalala and imagine its not happening. :(

the thing thats been pi$$ing me off for the last few years and has just resurfaced is the whole "fergies struggled to find someone who can replace Schmeichel"

Schmeichel, was in my opinion and many others, one of, if not THE greatest goalkeeper there ever was (ooh i can just see the rows thatll cause). Whether or not you agree, you have to agree he was a 'special one'.

Now with that in mind, where are all the 'brazillians still struggling to find replacement for Pele' or 'Argies still miss Maradona up front' headlines? Im suprised theyre not saying how we're still struggling to replace Cantona ffs.

In my opinion the only guy who comes close to fitting the bill is Cech, and hes going no-where and still has the tricky second season to come (i expect him to piss all over everyone again though).

So i really hope the papers get some inspiration and i dont have to read the same, "can he finally replace schmeichel?" bollocks every time we buy a reserve goalie let alone an international one.

[Highway Penguin]

Well now you've got Van Der Sar, correct, so I'm sure that will help.

As much as I dislike Mufc, I feel bad for you guys. More so because Glazer is an American and it is just going to show how dumb American's are when it comes to football/soccer.

Not saying that American's don't know anything about soccer, just saying that he will cause people to believe that.

Anyways, you will get through, he can't live forever...

[Fab]

true, but oriental players area risk (as stated early) inamato looked good for japan wot a flop he was in the prem. I agree park is a quality player, he does tend to miss a lot of chances though.

Because i like you mate, i wont let anyone know that your sig is 2 pixels to tall, right Hitman?

[Guillermo]

Anyways, you will get through, he can't live forever...

But he can live forever through his son's, son's, son's, son's...

[Singh]

Park Tells PSV: I Want United Move

Park Ji-Sung has informed his current club PSV Eindhoven that he wants to join Manchester United.

The South Korean midfielder this week held talks with the Dutch champions to discuss his future.

But, according to one of the player's advisors, his decision has now been made and the 24-year-old favours a move to Old Trafford.

"He wants to go to Manchester United," said Lee Chul-ho, a member of the company representing Park in Eindhoven.

"He has informed PSV and hopes that the deal between Manchester United and PSV will go very well for everybody concerned."

PSV, who signed Park from Japanese J-League side Kyoto Purple Sanga in 2003, had hoped to convince one of their most valuable assets that his blossoming career would be better served by remaining in Holland.

In two seasons at the Philips Stadium under the guidance of former South Korea coach Guus Hiddink, Park's energetic displays on the left side of midfield have established him as a highly-regarded, much-coveted prospect.

However, the latest comments from his agent suggest a deal with United, for a fee reportedly in the region of £4m-£6m, has been given the go-ahead for completion.

With a new goalkeeper in place for next season, the tabloids are now doing their level best to link a wealth of midfield and attacking talent with Old Trafford.

Sir Alex Ferguson has supposedly identified Argentinian midfield sensation Javier Mascherano as the perfect long-term replacement for Roy Keane, while Barcelona superstar Samuel Eto'o is also a target for both United and Chelsea.

Meanwhile, Rio Ferdinand's contract negotiations continue to see him linked away from Old Trafford - and he may be sharing a flight to Barcelona with Ruud van Nistelrooy (according to the Star)

[Phatmann]

OLE COMEBACK DELAYED

Manchester United striker Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's proposed return to action has been delayed until October.

The 32-year-old suffered a horrendous year with injury, as two knee operations forced him to miss the whole of last season.

The Norwegian has made just seven starts in two years due to his problems, with his last appearance coming in the 2004 FA Cup final against Millwall.

Solskjaer was hoping to return to fitness for the start of this season, but doctors have now delayed that comeback target until October.

"I just want to make sure I am right for when I get back because this injury needs patience," said Solskjaer.

"I have to take the advice I'm given."


:( :crymore: :crymore: :(

[AgentZero]

bwah....united should let him go
2 years of paying him weekly wages for SEVEN games

[Phatmann]

bwah....united should let him go
2 years of paying him weekly wages for SEVEN games
Are you mad? The guy still has more in his locker and even if he doesn't come back he can become a coach or something. We shall never release Solskjaer :realmad: . Maybe he'll become like Guy Roux at Auxerre who ended up being at the club for something like 60 years :mellow: , I'd like that :) .

[AgentZero]

releas him as player. hes wage bill can be freed up for other players to extend their contracts ie. Rio, well solsjaer coaching ability is stil unproven.

[Phatmann]

I suppose, but I don't really want more money to be made available for Rio. How can he have the cheek to demand £120,000 a week :realmad: . Just take the £100,000 offered and shut up!

[AgentZero]

wel Rio is arguebaly the Best CB at the present time. the club should do everything in their power to keep him at United untill his playing days are over.

[Phatmann]

wel Rio is arguebaly the Best CB at the present time. the club should do everything in their power to keep him at United untill his playing days are over.
I know, but I feel he should have a bit more respect considering we did stick by him when he was banned, and he's just taking advantage when really at the moment we could do with savign as much as we can. Wages are getting ridiculous anyway, with those wages he'll earn half a million a month :mellow: .

[AgentZero]

tru that.

[razor]

I cant believe we are buying park. i have said time and time again that we need to sign a world class player. just 1 would be enough. and i want that one to be ballack. spend all your money buying ballack and that is all we need. dont worry about strikers. ruud will (hopefully) come up with the goods next season. rooney will be even better, we will have rooney ronaldo and heinze from the start of the season. if park comes i can seee united pushing ronaldo on to the left and park on the right. i dont think ronaldo should play on the left. his talent will get wasted. he can play well on the left but not as welll as on the right.

buying players who play good for 1 season is one of the worst things in football. so many of these signings are failures. whoever buys andy johnson will find out first hand. look at drogba.

doess anyone think park might be signed to replace ronaldo who may move to real. i heard that but choose not to believe it.


on the solsksjaer topic i think he is going to get in the way of other players at united and be a problem just like fergie he shouldnt be at united anymore.

[AgentZero]

dont listen to any of the real rumours. it seems Cristiano has signed a new 5 year contract extension worth 50,000 pounds a week!!!
Ronaldo plays brilliant on both wings in my eye, hes makes good use of both feet.

[Phatmann]

This would be interesting:
Julio Baptista's agent has revealed that his client will not be signing a new deal at Sevilla, and opened the door on a potential move to The Premiership.

'The Beast' has proved to be one of La Liga's most feared hit-men after 50 goals in two seasons with Sevilla, although he will now look to make the step up to one of Europe's biggest sides after the club failed to match his wage demands.

Whilst Baptista is under contract until 2008 he has been the subject of strong interest from both Real Madrid and Barcelona after transforming himself from a midfielder into a striker during his time in Spain.

However, with both Arsenal and Manchester United rumoured to be tracking his progress, Baptista's agent Juan Figer revealed that whilst negotiations with Spain's big two are yet to get off the ground he has already been mulling over a move abroad.

"Julio will not be renewing his contract with Seville," said Figer.

"We gave our terms to them but there was no agreement, now the situation for him has changed.

"If Julio is the most important player at Sevilla, as they say he is, then his wages must reflect that and they do not.

"It looks as if they don't want him any more.

"We are not negotiating a possible move to Real Madrid or Barcelona, as has been suggested.

"But we have been discussing a move abroad."

Reports in England suggest that Arsene Wenger is ready to add to his former La Liga contingent with the purchase of the Brazilian star, with The Gunners ready to invest heavily over the summer in a bid to catch up with Chelsea.

Spain has proved to be a rich source of talent for Wenger in recent times, and if Baptista makes the move to Highbury he would link up again with former Sevilla star Jose Antonio Reyes.

I doubt he would come to us, but if we could I reckon we should try our best to get him.

[Solid Foxx]

I cant believe we are buying park. i have said time and time again that we need to sign a world class player. just 1 would be enough. and i want that one to be ballack. spend all your money buying ballack and that is all we need. dont worry about strikers. ruud will (hopefully) come up with the goods next season. rooney will be even better, we will have rooney ronaldo and heinze from the start of the season. if park comes i can seee united pushing ronaldo on to the left and park on the right. i dont think ronaldo should play on the left. his talent will get wasted. he can play well on the left but not as welll as on the right.

I don't know if Park will be able to show the same stuff he showed this season but if he can he won't be a bad buy.

And Park can play on both wings so there will be no need to push C.Ronaldo to the left, it might just work out for the better as they will be able to switch wings during the game.

But like someone else posted I do think that if they can go for Baptista he should be there nr. 1 target!!

[vandermeyde]

I see that United are being linked with a £7m for Jenas. I don't know about this one, def one for the future but in last couple of seasons, he hasn't been as effective as the 02?03 season. I'd try a klberson part exchange maybe, or miller.

[Hunter]

I see that United are being linked with a £7m for Jenas. I don't know about this one, def one for the future but in last couple of seasons, he hasn't been as effective as the 02?03 season. I'd try a klberson part exchange maybe, or miller.


I think we would be wasting our money by spending £7m on a player like Jenas, he isn't a bad player though but he just isn't to Manchester United standards.

The most I'd pay for Jermaine Jenas is probably round about £5million.

[AgentZero]

my main objection to park isthat he is capable under hidink....fergie n hidink are not alike

[Hunter]

my main objection to park isthat he is capable under hidink....fergie n hidink are not alike


So that automatically means he won't get on with Fergie ? :laugh:

Only time will tell...

[AgentZero]

nah because theres the language barrier....and hes un-proven with any other managers bar hiddink...south korea i beleive are not doing well unlike WC

[Hunter]

Only time will tell...

[AgentZero]

hmmm deja'vu :rolleyes::P

[]NikE[]

Ronaldo is in no shape or form signing for real madrid,madrid say stuff like that every season.I believe they still want Ruud,I don't wanna see him go either.What do you all think about the possibility of Owen coming to OT? Personally i don't think its a good idea,I just don't think it'll feel right with his being ex-liverpool! Imagine the boo's he'd get going back to anfield!

NikE

[Yossi]

About Baptista as Phatmann mentioned before- I posted that in the 'Actual Summer Transfers & Rumours' thread and someone informed me that when he was growing up he was a Man Utd fan. I read in the paper that he'd only cost £6m, and that would be a bargain.

[Darrenaldo]

About Baptista as Phatmann mentioned before- I posted that in the 'Actual Summer Transfers & Rumours' thread and someone informed me that when he was growing up he was a Man Utd fan. I read in the paper that he'd only cost £6m, and that would be a bargain.
sorry yossi, although i wanted him at arsenal (grrrrrrr!!) it looks like neither arsenal or united will get him on the cheap http://www.tribalfootball.com/june/spanishnews3180605.html
an actual quote which is rare tho, for such a bullsh*ting site

[Solid Foxx]

Park to Man. Utd. pending medical and work permit!

Man United homepage (http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=186878&itype=466&icategoryid=120)

Unfortunately in Dutch PSV homepage (http://www.psv.nl/show?id=14640&contentid=9320)

[AgentZero]

']Ronaldo is in no shape or form signing for real madrid,madrid say stuff like that every season.I believe they still want Ruud,I don't wanna see him go either.What do you all think about the possibility of Owen coming to OT? Personally i don't think its a good idea,I just don't think it'll feel right with his being ex-liverpool! Imagine the boo's he'd get going back to anfield!

NikE

The fact is that doesn't bother me much, imagine if leeds were promoted and Utd played them imagine the backlash against smudger!?......

[AgentZero]

anyhone reckon ruud should pack his bags?..........

[]NikE[]

Im not sure on that situation i think he should have another season and see how things go,if he still feels the same after that then he should go!

NikE

[Top Gun]

ronaldo has signed a new contract. YES

[Papa Lazarou]

ronaldo has signed a new contract. YES

have you got a source?? Becaus if it's true then WOOO HOOO!!


Also due to the Gerrard situation, do you think that a Glazer financed bid for him in the region of £35 million would be worth it?? I mean they my not accept but it's worth a try

[Top Gun]

yeah it is meant to be 5 or six years.

[reece]

glad ronaldo is pledging his future , he is class

[Papa Lazarou]

we still have no source!! can Henryrules please show us where he got this from

[Top Gun]

i was watching sky sports news and it said ' ronaldo shakes hands on a long term deal'

[Akineye]

Also due to the Gerrard situation, do you think that a Glazer financed bid for him in the region of £35 million would be worth it?? I mean they my not accept but it's worth a try

It would be a great way of showing United fans that he DID care how successful the club was.

I mean it COULD happen, but it's unlikely Gerrard would come.

[Fab]

Hey, Los Galacticos. Your Sig is 10Pixels to tall, change it or else I bring out the boomstick.

[AgentZero]

changed it fab......
man i really do hope VanNistlerooy does go....if he leaves to say madrid we'll get 20 M from him

[Phatmann]

How can you hope Van Nistelrooy goes? I don't want the money, I'd rather get rid of Saha in order to give a better chance to players like Rossi. If any striker is gonna be sold, I hope it's Saha.

Van Nistelrooy is still a world class striker. He was on bad form towards the end of the season, but we can't just sell him cos of that, as this season I'm sure he'll be back.

By the way, your sig is still 5 pixels too big :) .

[Fab]

*whistles* Still 5 pixels too big.

Maybe i mis read it before and it was 165pixels.

[Singh]

Ball Keane on United

Michael Ballack has sent a signal to Sir Alex Ferguson that he is ready to play in the Premiership. The Germany captain is ready to leave Bayern Munich, where he has just one year left on his contract. And that will be music to the ears of Manchester United boss Ferguson, who is a big admirer of the world-class midfielder. Ballack, talking about the prospect of moving away from the Bundesliga, said: "There are hardly any German players who are abroad who have advised me against taking such a big step. It is good for a person's development and it would also be very interesting for me. I have always made the right decisions in my career so far. I am at a top European club and I still have the chance to move abroad. I am really relaxed about it."
Bill Thornton, Daily Star

Fergie's Kid bid
Manchester United are poised to move for a keeper who has not played in seven months. Preston’s Andrew Lonergan, 22, was struck down by a cruciate knee injury last December but is now nearing full fitness. Lonergan, who has been in England Under-21 squads, is also attracting Arsenal, Bolton, Everton and Middlesbrough. Preston will cash in if the bidding hits £2million. Lonergan would face a battle to play as boss Alex Ferguson already has Tim Howard and recently- signed Edwin van der Sar.
Shaun Custis, The Sun

[Papa Lazarou]

we should definately move for Ballack as he is a quality player!!

This young keeper as well could be useful as 3rd choice as we only have 2 senior Keepers in the squad

[Phatmann]

This young keeper as well could be useful as 3rd choice as we only have 2 senior Keepers in the squad
But it'd be a bit risky as he's been out for 7 months with a serious injury, and at 22 isn't that young (considering he'll probably be 3rd choice for another 2 years). Also, £2m? it doesn't seem worth it, but then again he must have some talent for the big clubs to be fishing round him.

I think we'd be better off trying to bring up some of our younger players (i.e. Heaton and Steele) as 3rd choice, rather than spending money unnecessarily.

[Akineye]

I think we'd be better off trying to bring up some of our younger players (i.e. Heaton and Steele) as 3rd choice, rather than spending money unnecessarily.

It's basically accepted now that Steele is never going to be good enough to play for United.

As for Ballack, if we buy him then we'll have a stong enough first team to compete with Chelski next season.

[AgentZero]

5 pixels aye.....tall or wide?........Ruud suggest his discontent at staying, we can't force to stay if we do we loose his transfer value just a tad

[]NikE[]

Ballack would be a great signing to be honest,as for the keeper i guess that wudn't be too bad either!

[JamMasterJoe]

they would never sign ballack u bollock

[7RONALDO7]

What should he do, give up being the face of adidas and Bayen, for a Nike sponsership and just a player at United.

Im not saying he will be a rubbish buy for united because he wont but looking from his view, which i said above, i cannot see him comming here, but maybe im wrong.

[AgentZero]

there isn't a single reason why Ballack shouldn't come to United.....

[Jonny2J]

there isn't a single reason why Ballack shouldn't come to United.....how about the fact he plays in Paul Scholes' position?

[50!]

there isn't a single reason why Ballack shouldn't come to United.....

What about the fact that United could never afford him?

[Stella Artois]

What about the fact United are the third best team in England? Does he want to be in a team competing for 3rd place with Liverpool and Everton?

[Gunplay]

Ballack is old and overrated. Bah!

[Stella Artois]

DOB 26 Sep 1976

Hardly old Gunplay. He is a cut above anything you've got currently, too.

[Gunplay]

DOB 26 Sep 1976

Hardly old Gunplay. He is a cut above anything you've got currently, too.
Hence. Bah!

[AgentZero]

ballack can play as a dmf, a replacement for keane(the most used sentence in this thread i beleive) and he's a playmaker something we've missed since becks

EDIT:
We can afford ballack as he is 15M...we've had an offer for Scholes from Everton and i think the Ginger prince might go...which leaves a position for Ballack...if we do sign ballack i hope SAF does'nt forget about PArk and leave hi m out in the cold

[Darth Daft]

What about the fact that United could never afford him?

your uneducated opinion is fact now?

[Singh]

http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/4633/1955974007rx.jpg

Manchester United away kit 2005/06.

Any views?

[pes rules]

Ye That Is One Brill Kit Im Gona Get That

[ThierryHenry14]

i hate that new man u kit arsenal home is well nicer

[Papa Lazarou]

I don't really like the new away kit.But i do like the return of the green goalkeeper kit as it reminds me of those great Schmeichel days and it was the first (and only) football shirt i owned.



As for the new Arsenal...a blind Iranian merchant with one leg and a urinatary infection could piss a better shirt than that

[Darth Daft]

I don't really like the new away kit.But i do like the return of the green goalkeeper kit as it reminds me of those great Schmeichel days and it was the first (and only) football shirt i owned.



As for the new Arsenal...a blind Iranian merchant with one leg and a urinatary infection could piss a better shirt than that


Exactly!, the green goalie shirt is a return to the traditional goalie shirt colour, that blue one is exactly the same as the valencia one.

Funny I always thought the Arsenal shirt was the colour of bloody arse garbage.

[nath_scfc]

Money, money, money! (http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=291445&CPID=8&CLID=1&lid=&title=United+eye+Stoke+starlet&channel=premiership)

Interest is confirmed too. (http://skysports.planetfootball.com/