Manchester United

[Phatmann]

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that if you put a cross into the box and nobody where the same color shirt as you goes for it, there is a problem.
Well he needs to get it past the first defender first. :joel:

[ThaReaper01]

Well he needs to get it past the first defender first. :joel:

Right.
:no:

[Joel]

Let's stop arguing about Valencia and instead start talking about Michael Owen. He played well again today, didn't he? I wish we had a big game player like him! :joel:

[ThaReaper01]

Let's stop arguing about Valencia and instead start talking about Michael Owen. He played well again today, didn't he? I wish we had a big game player like him! :joel:

He was MOTM. In all seriousness though, he had a shout for a penalty.

[Phatmann]

Let's stop arguing about Valencia and instead start talking about Michael Owen. He played well again today, didn't he? I wish we had a big game player like him! :joel:
Did you see his clever little pass towards Rooney when Valencia layed it off to him? Rooney should have seen it coming. It may have looked like he scuffed it when 10 yards out but believe me, it was a cleverly diguised pass.


















:shfty:

[ThaReaper01]

Did you see his clever little pass towards Rooney when Valencia layed it off to him? Rooney should have seen it coming. It may have looked like he scuffed it when 10 yards out but believe me, it was a cleverly diguised pass.

















:shfty:
It was a beauty that pass. :huh:

[Lord Shrimpeh]

I've never been a fan of berba I think he's lazy and would never win us a game. All the fancy passing and excellent touches aren't going to make me like him unless he actually does something with it. He had a couple of great passes today but that doesn't make him a great united player. In fact he's my least favourite for quite some time.

[Foxhound]

Berbatov = the next Veron?

[wrathchild_uk]

Berbatov = the next Veron?

Yea although Veron probably scored more goals than Berbatov..

also Obertan = the next Bellion

[Phatmann]

Berbatov = the next Veron?
I think that's a bit harsh on Veron. He's often considered a flop by United fans but I always thought he was a good player for us. On occasions he'd keep the ball for too long but at the same time he played some great long balls and was a useful player. His price tag obviously made us expect a lot more from him but nevertheless I wouldn't consider him a flop.

I still have faith in Berbatov but I don't think a game against Leeds is somewhere where he can shine for reasons that I stated in a previous post. I'm still unsure which games he is suited to though.

It is way too early to be labelling Obertan the next anything. The guy has played 10 games for us, most of them not even a full 90 minutes. Plus, Bellion actually looked good in the season before we sold him.

[requiem7]

Where was Carrick and Fletcher? Berbatov does have to give more but he did fight to the end. Winning the ball back and making a killer pass that was fluffed.
A sickening result but one that Leeds deserved. The hairdryer must have been red hot after that game.

[Bammers05]

Let's stop arguing about Valencia and instead start talking about Michael Owen. He played well again today, didn't he? I wish we had a big game player like him! :joel:

:laugh:

I would give you rep for that, but apparently I have to spread it around first.

[Meyyappan]

He said: "The referee gave five minutes (injury time).

"That is an insult to the game and the players out there."

Yeah thats rit

[Hunter]

I think that's a bit harsh on Veron. He's often considered a flop by United fans but I always thought he was a good player for us. On occasions he'd keep the ball for too long but at the same time he played some great long balls and was a useful player. His price tag obviously made us expect a lot more from him but nevertheless I wouldn't consider him a flop.

I still have faith in Berbatov but I don't think a game against Leeds is somewhere where he can shine for reasons that I stated in a previous post. I'm still unsure which games he is suited to though.

It is way too early to be labelling Obertan the next anything. The guy has played 10 games for us, most of them not even a full 90 minutes. Plus, Bellion actually looked good in the season before we sold him.

Veron was shit when it came to English football, thankfully though he excelled when it came to the Champions League and was always on hand with a superb performance. We can all remember his beautiful pass to Beckham which lead to a nice chipped goal now can't we?

I thought Berbatov performed well today, but he's just lacking that spark that we need at the moment. I was saying to a mate earlier that he needs more time, and less pressure, we can't emphasise the £30m price tag too much because some of that money simply went towards keeping Spurs hush I'm sure.

Bellion was shit, but from what we've seen Obertan looks genuinely talented. It means we can now comfortably offload Nani and not have to worry at all.

[requiem7]

Let's stop arguing about Valencia and instead start talking about Michael Owen. He played well again today, didn't he? I wish we had a big game player like him! :joel:

Prick.

Veron was shit when it came to English football, thankfully though he excelled when it came to the Champions League and was always on hand with a superb performance. We can all remember his beautiful pass to Beckham which lead to a nice chipped goal now can't we?

I thought Berbatov performed well today, but he's just lacking that spark that we need at the moment. I was saying to a mate earlier that he needs more time, and less pressure, we can't emphasise the £30m price tag too much because some of that money simply went towards keeping Spurs hush I'm sure.

Bellion was shit, but from what we've seen Obertan looks genuinely talented. It means we can now comfortably offload Nani and not have to worry at all.

Agreed with all the above. Berbatov's carrying an injury just now. But you can't complain about his link up play. Obertan looks like a work in progress. He has the talent he just needs to fit into the side and learn.

[Luis_Garcia]

I know obviously coming from a liverpool fan there are numerous comebacks to this, and tbh I'm just going to post this and never read this thread every again but: hahahaha x

[Barry]

Requiem, if you could go ahead and not post two messages right after each other? That'd be terrific.

http://www.luminomagazine.com/2004.03/spotlight/officespace/images/lumbergh/lumbergh1.jpg

[OK Computer]

He was MOTM. In all seriousness though, he had a shout for a penalty.

A shout for a freekick! It was outside the box!

[Dragonfly]

You're getting sacked in the morning. Sacked in the moooooooorning.

[Haribo]

Prick.
Don't worry, I'll give him a vintage drubbing on Call of Duty. Oh my. :joel:

We've lost 5 in 13, which is virtually Liverpool standard. And next up is a League Cup tie at City, joy! I hope Tosic gets a game soon, he's impressive enough for Serbia, and surely more suited to left wing than Welbeck for crying out loud.

Hargreaves is as good as retired/dead now, yeah? Last I heard from him was in September when he was aiming to play at the end of the CL group phase. And speaking of retirement, Gary Neville please. :faceplm:

[Phatmann]

Don't worry, I'll give him a vintage drubbing on Call of Duty. Oh my. :joel:

We've lost 5 in 13, which is virtually Liverpool standard. And next up is a League Cup tie at City, joy! I hope Tosic gets a game soon, he's impressive enough for Serbia, and surely more suited to left wing than Welbeck for crying out loud.

Hargreaves is as good as retired/dead now, yeah? Last I heard from him was in September when he was aiming to play at the end of the CL group phase. And speaking of retirement, Gary Neville please. :faceplm:
Apparently Hargreaves is fit but hasn't got the confidence to step up to the first team again or something. :mellow: No idea if he will ever be back but I bet Fergie will be greatly pissed off at him especially as he could fill in at full back now that O'Shea is gonna be out for a while.

Neville still knows what he should be doing but doesn't seem to be able to carry it out without much difficulty e.g. when he tried to turn back towards goal in todays match and got the ball caught under his feet or when he jumped early to put off the attacker and ended up getting contact on the ball, giving away a corner. :faceplm:

I haven't the foggiest why Tosic doesn't get anywhere near the first team as the last time I saw him he was setting up goals for Serbia and looking a good player. Welbeck really does look clueless.

[uA - 1905]

Requiem, if you could go ahead and not post two messages right after each other? That'd be terrific.

http://www.luminomagazine.com/2004.03/spotlight/officespace/images/lumbergh/lumbergh1.jpg

I must spread it around before repping you again.

[requiem7]

I know obviously coming from a liverpool fan there are numerous comebacks to this, and tbh I'm just going to post this and never read this thread every again but: hahahaha x

Thats acceptable.

Apologises for posting twice.

[Lord Shrimpeh]

Yea although Veron probably scored more goals than Berbatov..

also Obertan = the next Bellion

Anderson the next Kleberson? :ninja:

[Joel]

Prick.

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/685/ohnoc.gif

It's funny how players change so much at Man Utd. I mean, Berba was banging in goals left, right and centre for Spurs. Now it seems he rather assist.

Anderson was a skillful attacking midfielder for Porto. Now it seems he's more of a central midfielder who puts pressure on the opposing teams midfielders.

In his last season for Newcastle, Owen was near useless for them. Now he is...well...he is still near useless. I guess my theory is through the window then! :joel:

[Bammers05]

In his last season for Newcastle, Owen was near useless for them. Now he is...well...he is still near useless. I guess my theory is through the window then! :joel:

He still performs in the big games though, Joel :erm:

[Joel]

He still performs in the big games though, Joel :erm:

He's a natural finisher too :mellow:

Do you guys expect to see any transfers in, this month? (this question must not be answered by requiem 7, as he hurt my feelings.)

[Haribo]

I expect 1. A signing completely out of the blue who costs less than £5m and flops after being given 3 games in total. Sounds about right.

A lot of tinkering is needed and it'll be a couple of years before it's completed. At which point Fergie can step down, and know he's left his successor with a top side. /dream scenario

[pyroclastic]

A truly fantastic result and a great day of football it has been. Good to see Fergie coming up with the usual bollocks after experiencing another lose.

I expect 1. A signing completely out of the blue who costs less than £5m and flops after being given 3 games in total. Sounds about right.

A lot of tinkering is needed and it'll be a couple of years before it's completed. At which point Fergie can step down, and know he's left his successor with a top side. /dream scenario
LOL AT THE KNEE JERK REACTIONS.

Hahaha.

Lose a few games and it's absolute disaster for Man Utd.

[Ziss]

Lose a few games and it's season over for Man Utd; that's how brutal it can be at times.

Well I'm not allowed to suggest Fergie steps down at the end of the season, as that would be a crime in itself. But how can you sell someone who is valued at £80m, and not replace him with someone? Yes Valencia has got a few goals, but in no way has he helped fill the void left by Ronaldo.

As for Danny "Everybody Hates Chris" Welbeck, why does SAF keep on playing this waste of space. He plays as well as, and looks like, Paolo Wanchope on acid.

Losing to a grimey bunch of c**ts like Leeds only makes it worse too. We haven't won this trophy in years, yet he still fields a weakened team and expects the opposition to roll over and let us win.

He better sign someone in the window; I realise they will be most likely cup-tied and their price will be heavily inflated, but should that matter given how much he keeps claiming to have in his pocket from the Ronaldo transfer?

/rant

[Haribo]

Lose a few games and it's absolute disaster for Man Utd.

08/09 season - 6 losses in all competitions (1 on penalties)
09/10 season - 8 losses already (again, 1 on penalties)

So unless we plan on going unbeaten for the rest of the season, I'd say it is a bit of a disaster.

[ThaReaper01]

08/09 season - 6 losses in all competitions (1 on penalties)
09/10 season - 8 losses already (again, 1 on penalties)

So unless we plan on going unbeaten for the rest of the season, I'd say it is a bit of a disaster.

I give the first half of the season a pass because of all our injuries. Second should be better. If we can be 100% healthy of course. Jonny looked REALLY out of place. As did Gary. I blame him for going so far forward and leaving Wes on Beckford. He should know that Beckford is too quick for him.

[requiem7]

08/09 season - 6 losses in all competitions (1 on penalties)
09/10 season - 8 losses already (again, 1 on penalties)

So unless we plan on going unbeaten for the rest of the season, I'd say it is a bit of a disaster.

Unbeaten would be very hard to do. But on BBC606 I stated that if United were to stay within 6 points of Chelsea due to our injury crisis we would have a very good shout in the title race. We are within that points total.

Leeds played well but what a difference would Vidic have made. I would hope Fergie would think about signing someone. Not as a knee jerk reaction to losing at Leeds but due to our injury crisis. A defender, midfielder and striker. The striker as I have a feeling Berbatov has an injury. Owen fluffed his chance and his hopes of playing first team are shrinking fast.

Here's hoping for a better performance against City. What a remarable change in performance against Leeds compared to Wigan.

[Sweey]

Any ideas where Vidic is supposedly going if he ends up leaving this month rather than in the summer? Aside from the scum (Real Madrid) of course.

[AgentZero]

A truly fantastic result and a great day of football it has been. Good to see Fergie coming up with the usual bollocks after experiencing another lose.


LOL AT THE KNEE JERK REACTIONS.

Hahaha.

Lose a few games and it's absolute disaster for Man Utd.
not sure but we have standards. Pretty piss poor last few weeks, having as many losses in a few weeks should be a disaster for any right thinking club.

[Joel]

08/09 season - 6 losses in all competitions (1 on penalties)
09/10 season - 8 losses already (again, 1 on penalties)

So unless we plan on going unbeaten for the rest of the season, I'd say it is a bit of a disaster.

You have to remember that the teams around you are losing as well. It's just one of those seasons where the mid table teams are playing without fear and believe they can take points of the top teams and that is what is happening.

I agree that you can't lose too many more games, because at the end of the day, you still have to overtake us and losing games when we lose isn't going to help. But there are so many games left in the season, so it's not the time to hit the panic button yet. I wish it was though!

[Foxhound]

would hope Fergie would think about signing someone. Not as a knee jerk reaction to losing at Leeds but due to our injury crisis. A defender, midfielder and striker.

I would really like to see us signing a left winger.

[ThaReaper01]

We don't need anybody. Once Fergie realizes that he already has 2 prime strikers (Wazza, Diouf), we won't need to worry about wth we are going to do. Diouf is the player we need. Somebody would will attack the ball in the air and grab some goals like he did @ Molde.

[wrathchild_uk]

We don't need anybody. Once Fergie realizes that he already has 2 prime strikers (Wazza, Diouf), we won't need to worry about wth we are going to do. Diouf is the player we need. Somebody would will attack the ball in the air and grab some goals like he did @ Molde.

Your kidding right? That Diouf hasn't even played yet and could be utter bollocks for all we know.

[ThaReaper01]

Your kidding right? That Diouf hasn't even played yet and could be utter bollocks for all we know.

Can't be any worse than Owen... At least he's a determined player. The opposite of Berba, a lot like Wazza.

[wrathchild_uk]

Well hopefully he turns out to be amazing but its hard to tell at the moment when he's been playing in the Norwegian league. Nani and Tosic both looked good from watching youtube vids and they've both been disappointing.

[ThaReaper01]

Well hopefully he turns out to be amazing but its hard to tell at the moment when he's been playing in the Norwegian league. Nani and Tosic both looked good from watching youtube vids and they've both been disappointing.

How many chances has Zoran gotten? You can count them on 1 hand. He's a lefty put him opposite Antonio.


EDIT: According to Wikipedia, he's gotten 2 competitive chances.

[wrathchild_uk]

I know Tosic hasn't been given much time but surely if he was that good then wouldn't he be featuring in more Carling cup games etc? Fergie obviously sees him in training and must feel he's not good enough..Time will tell anyway and i hope I'm wrong.

[ThaReaper01]

I know Tosic hasn't been given much time but surely if he was that good then wouldn't he be featuring in more Carling cup games etc? Fergie obviously sees him in training all the time and must feel he's not good enough..Time will tell anyway and i hope I'm wrong but not feeling to confident!

It really wouldn't matter. Giggsy plays in the Cup. As does Obertan and Welbeck, who I feel should only be playing striker. He doesn't have the creativity to be a winger. He has his moments, yes. Back to Zoran. We've seen what he can do during the Asian tour. He has the skill, but maybe doesn't have.... I don't know. Surely he must be considered by Fergie for at least the bench.

[Appswah]

I feel we really do need to buy this month. Some of our younger players did well to cover our first team but also were quite dissapointing at times(De laet for example). Fabio and Rafael are doing great when they come on..im pleased with how they are playing.

Our defence is shoddy as hell atm, how long is Rio out for? Im looking forward to seeing Rio and Vidic back in central defence together. We're also missing creativity in central midfield with Carrick being off form and Anderson being an inconsistant performer.

Owen just isnt scoring goals, granted he isnt playing alot but i thought that is what we got him for? Berbatov is good with all his flicks and what not, we just need an extra dimension up top along side Rooney if that makes sense?

[Jonny2J]

Let's stop arguing about Valencia and instead start talking about Michael Owen. He played well again today, didn't he? I wish we had a big game player like him! :joel::lol: It's alright though, he's a world class finisher. If he wanted to score he would score.

[Keyser Soze]

Joel is on fire in this thread lately. So on point.

But yeah, everyone's dropping points this season. I haven't decided whether this reflects the strength of teams outside of the 'top four/three' increasing, or just because the quality of the title challengers has deteriorated slightly and the league lacks a real legendary side (such as 99 United, Arsenal unbeatables or Mourinho's Chels). Combination of both imo.

Either way, it makes for a very exciting/nerve-wracking season.

[Bish]

Joel is on fire in this thread lately. So on point.

But yeah, everyone's dropping points this season. I haven't decided whether this reflects the strength of teams outside of the 'top four/three' increasing, or just because the quality of the title challengers has deteriorated slightly and the league lacks a real legendary side (such as 99 United, Arsenal unbeatables or Mourinho's Chels). Combination of both imo.

Either way, it makes for a very exciting/nerve-wracking season.

I haven't found the quality of our league overall to be that great over the years but this year is as tough as it's been for a long time. Teams like Man City, Aston Villa, Spurs are competing with the big boys, the likes of Fulham, Sunderland, Birmingham are causing nearly every team problems. Even teams near the bottom have taken points off some of the top sides.

Man Utd were always gonna struggle losing Ronaldo. He was capable of picking up a good number of points by himself. They seem to be a bit over reliant on Rooney now and when he has an off day, Utd don't seem to win many games. That, plus the injury problems they've had and it's not a major shock seeing them drop points. Hardly a crisis though.

[Keyser Soze]

I haven't found the quality of our league overall to be that great over the years but this year is as tough as it's been for a long time. Teams like Man City, Aston Villa, Spurs are competing with the big boys, the likes of Fulham, Sunderland, Birmingham are causing nearly every team problems. Even teams near the bottom have taken points off some of the top sides.

Man Utd were always gonna struggle losing Ronaldo. He was capable of picking up a good number of points by himself. They seem to be a bit over reliant on Rooney now and when he has an off day, Utd don't seem to win many games. That, plus the injury problems they've had and it's not a major shock seeing them drop points. Hardly a crisis though.
No doubt. But from a Chelsea p.o.v, I think we only have ourselves to blame for not extending our lead in the Prem and I mean some of the individual errors and just shocking goals being conceded at home makes me wonder whether that would have stood 4/5 years ago at Stamford Bridge.

And while I do give a LOT of credit for some of the displays we've seen from some of the teams in the lower end of the Prem, I do see a lot of mistakes and just shakeyness in all three of the current title challengers which I don't believe you would see from a more dominate, formidable side such as the ones I've previously listed.

And yeah, United are definitely not in a "crisis".

[ThaReaper01]

I feel we really do need to buy this month. Some of our younger players did well to cover our first team but also were quite dissapointing at times(De laet for example). Fabio and Rafael are doing great when they come on..im pleased with how they are playing.

Our defence is shoddy as hell atm, how long is Rio out for? Im looking forward to seeing Rio and Vidic back in central defence together. We're also missing creativity in central midfield with Carrick being off form and Anderson being an inconsistant performer.

Owen just isnt scoring goals, granted he isnt playing alot but i thought that is what we got him for? Berbatov is good with all his flicks and what not, we just need an extra dimension up top along side Rooney if that makes sense?

Come on now. A Man U fan should know that that isn't Anderson's game anymore. He's a converted holding midfielder. Just like Fletch, which isn't a bad thing, but they aren't the passer or talisman that Carrick is. But the 'Greaves is coming back so, we'll see... :ninja:

[Mullet Taylor]

the greaves will get injured again.... losing was a shock result but every team has a horror result every now and again. That result could be a turning point for Utd's season. I reckon they'll go on a nice undefeated run and the first team will benefit from a game off whenever theres an fa cup match in the near future.

Before the start of the season i never imagined Utd would still be this close to chelsea at the new year, Things aren't as bad as i thought they would be after losing Ronaldo.

Not being in the F A Cup is just one less distraction as i said. Utd's priority should be the Prem and the Champs League. 2 comps they're very much alive in

wonder if there would be so much talk if it hadn't been an old rival like leeds that embarressed Utd

[Stormrider]

Any ideas where Vidic is supposedly going if he ends up leaving this month rather than in the summer? Aside from the scum (Real Madrid) of course.

He's going nowhere :)

[Billy Minof]

Any ideas where Vidic is supposedly going if he ends up leaving this month rather than in the summer? Aside from the scum (Real Madrid) of course.

Its his Dream. :laugh:

[Ghost]

Please take Rodrigo Possebon back. Whoever said he was a talented midfielder with bags of potential was very, very mistaken :erm:

[Haribo]

I'd forgotten he even existed.

[Foxhound]

Please take Rodrigo Possebon back. Whoever said he was a talented midfielder with bags of potential was very, very mistaken :erm:

I've never understood the hype that surrounded him. I've always thought that he was an average player.


In other news, City-United game has been postponed.

[wrathchild_uk]

Were starting to build up quite a big list of failures now..

[Appswah]

Diouf has been given the number 32 shirt.

Rumours going round on when he will make his debut, some say this saturday against Birmingham others say the 19th of January against Man City.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11667_5840542,00.html

[Foxhound]

The Sun are reporting that Neville is set to retire at the end of this season.

[Barry]

It'll be a good day that.

[requiem7]

Shearer meets Berbatov. Quite an in depth interview.
It's decent.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/football_focus/8409567.stm

[AgentZero]

I think its time we giver berba more of a starting role. Rooney is great for us but hes gotta be fatigued carrying the team so much. I think post january id like to see a consistent starting 2. Leave Owen and Diouf for the cup matches or when the fixtures are in close proximity.

Quality of our play is still good but i think we all are dreaming if we expect the same defensive performance we got last year (the string of clean sheets) with these defensive injuries.

[Foxhound]

I think its time we giver berba more of a starting role. Rooney is great for us but hes gotta be fatigued carrying the team so much I think post january id like to see a consistent starting 2. Leave Owen and .Diouf for the cup matches or when the fixtures are in close proximity.

Quality of our play is still good but i think we all are dreaming if we expect the same defensive performance we got last year (the string of clean sheets) with these defensive injuries.

I would also like to see a consistent centre midfield pairing.

[Lord Shrimpeh]

I think its time we giver berba more of a starting role. Rooney is great for us but hes gotta be fatigued carrying the team so much. I think post january id like to see a consistent starting 2. Leave Owen and Diouf for the cup matches or when the fixtures are in close proximity.

Quality of our play is still good but i think we all are dreaming if we expect the same defensive performance we got last year (the string of clean sheets) with these defensive injuries.

Berba was given a starting role and he made a bit of a mess of it. He's been too lazy and not been scoring enough goals. The only goals he ever scores are tap ins. Unfortunately I guess he has to start as we have no one else. The reason Fergie keeps gambling on cheap players is because the money isn't there for better. He's very loyal and would never show Man Utd to have a weakness but I think we just don't have the money for big signings. If it was I'm pretty sure he'd have brought in a bigger name by now.

I hope I'm wrong though cos I think we do need a big name to add a new dimension to our decent, but not brilliant, squad.

[Lord Shrimpeh]

You guys should read this http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/?p=5469 it basically shows how we're financially fucked.

Although I think it is overly negative and this BBC article puts it more positively http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/mattslater/2010/01/fergies_bond_is_a_bind_for_eve .html it does show we're walking a financial tight rope. I doubt there's money available for spending and if the club don't keep being successful we're in deep doo doo indeed.

[pyroclastic]

It'll be a good day that.
Yes it will.

[ThaReaper01]

1-0 down. Hopefully Mame comes on...

[Appswah]

Losing 1-0..here we go again. :|

[Ziss]

Please can we catch a fucking break?!

[Original?]

Please can we catch a fucking break?!

:shocking:

Quite honestly one of the most ironic posts I've ever come across.

[Appswah]

Scholes and Ji sung off at half time please.

[Ziss]

:shocking:

Quite honestly one of the most ironic posts I've ever come across.
I didn't say "for once", otherwise it would have been.

It just seems that as of late, bar the Wigan game, we can't catch a break. Yes we haven't created much, but have dominated possession only to find ourselves one down after their first proper chance.

[ThaReaper01]

Scholes and Ji sung off at half time please.

Obertan and Mame on please. :brickwall:

[Appswah]

Whats the chance of Scholes getting sent off? He keeps attempting to tackle which he cant..even his passing is off today :|.

We dont deserve to win on this second half performance.

[ThaReaper01]

OG baby!

MAME!!


EDIT2: When did Fletch get a yellow?! Stupid, stupid challenge!

[Appswah]

Im sorry but that is a rediculous yellow card.. yeh he left his foot in a bit but still not a yellow!

Edit: lol terrible challenge by carrick and nothing :S. Cant see us snatching a winner now :|.

[ThaReaper01]

Im sorry but that is a rediculous yellow card.. yeh he left his foot in a bit but still not a yellow!

Edit: lol terrible challenge by carrick and nothing :S. Cant see us snatching a winner now :|.

6?! Anyway, BC are diving all over the place.

[Meyyappan]

For foulcher's actions all day he deserved a red

[Joel]

6?! Anyway, BC are diving all over the place.

Hmm... I remember Bowyer going down cheapily near the end of the game and that's about it.

This result is all kinds of greatness. It means that our draw at Birmingham is cancelled out and it also makes a great weekend of results for us, as Arsenal drew too and we are yet to play.

[Ziss]

For foulcher's actions all day he deserved a red
No one cares what you think about anything, so why not spend more time on something serious like trying to work out who your real Dad is.

Finally got that break with the own goal, but did fuck all after that. Scholes was probably our best player, which says a lot about how we played as he was nothing special.

If SAF doesn't buy someone in and continues to play wingers who cannot beat a man or cross a ball then I may turn to a different sport all together, as this is pathetic.

[Phatmann]

Valencia got past players quite a few times to be fair and he does so a lot. Park, on the other hand, looks lost when faced with a full back. I'd agree that Valencia needs to improve his crossing though; he should've chipped it to Carrick on the edge of the box in the first half when he got round the full back but proceeded to pass it straight into a load of Birmingham defenders.

Diouf's first touch of the ball :faceplm: It was a bit silly bringing him on at that point in the game, 10 minutes to go and we're looking for a winner against an excellent defence is not the time to be making your debut. Add onto that Fletcher getting sent off - a harsh second yellow - and he was never going to do anything special. Having said that, I struggle to see who else we could have brought on.

[requiem7]

Im sorry but that is a rediculous yellow card.. yeh he left his foot in a bit but still not a yellow!

Edit: lol terrible challenge by carrick and nothing :S. Cant see us snatching a winner now :|.

It was a very harsh yellow card. Birmingham deserved their point. Lacking ideas in attack at the moment. We are lacking a player that can drive us forward.
A poor weekend again for United. But its still nip and tuck at the top of the league.

[ThaReaper01]

Valencia got past players quite a few times to be fair and he does so a lot. Park, on the other hand, looks lost when faced with a full back. I'd agree that Valencia needs to improve his crossing though; he should've chipped it to Carrick on the edge of the box in the first half when he got round the full back but proceeded to pass it straight into a load of Birmingham defenders.

Diouf's first touch of the ball :faceplm: It was a bit silly bringing him on at that point in the game, 10 minutes to go and we're looking for a winner against an excellent defence is not the time to be making your debut. Add onto that Fletcher getting sent off - a harsh second yellow - and he was never going to do anything special. Having said that, I struggle to see who else we could have brought on.
I must have been downstairs getting some food because I didn't see Mame touch the ball. I saw sprint like the wind though!

[Hunter]

This is genuinely becoming worrying. Our lack of "oomph" up front is concerning me, Rooney as we all know is influential but not a centre forward and we cannot rely on him heavily. We currently have players who are "developing" such as Valencia and Obertan, we lack a real quality going forward at the moment.

Anyone think it could be worth a cheeky punt for Ruud? I mean, he obviously doesn't have much pace but he hasn't needed it for Real Madrid so far, record speaking (68 games, 46 goals). Chances are, he'd be incredibly cheap, maybe even free. It would obviously be short term but that's what we need right now during this lack of clinical striking while our younger players develop. The only real questions in my mind are would Fergie want to re-sign Ruud (almost admitting a mistake in selling him), and would Ruud even want to come back to United knowing there are several other strikers fighting for the same spot (Berbatov, Owen etc).

[Original?]

If SAF doesn't buy someone in and continues to play wingers who cannot beat a man or cross a ball then I may turn to a different sport all together, as this is pathetic.

They say stick with your team through thick and thin but other fans haven't had to endure the kind of trials you have!

Ruud would potentially be a good signing but I very much doubt it will happen. I can't see Ferguson wanting him back or him wanting to return.

[Mullet Taylor]

Utd's form of late is how i imagined Utd playing before the start of the season because they lost Ronaldo and Tevez. Birmingham's first goal was lucky but Utd got the breaks in poor finishing(/crossing in 1 instance) from Birmingham for the rest of the game & despite the assistant raising his flag for Utd's goal for Rooney being offside, which he wasn't. The goal still stood. We've seen perfectly good goals chopped off in the past so it was lucky today for Utd the goal stood.

I hear about how dominate Utd were in possession but in the end, kusack was by far the busier of the two keepers. Birmingham coulda nicked it at the death but Kusack had a good game

Ruud returning and staying fit should be every Utd fan's dream, including Fergie. If Ruud signed i'd actually place a bet that he'd score more goals than Rooney, Owen and Berb (not combined obv) by the end of the season

Drawing at Birmingham is acceptable considering the form BC are in right now, plus didn't chelsea also draw there aswel ?

[Jonny2J]

If SAF doesn't buy someone in and continues to play wingers who cannot beat a man or cross a ball then I may turn to a different sport all together, as this is pathetic.I hope you're being flippant, if not you're absolutely pathetic.

[Hunter]

I hope you're being flippant, if not you're absolutely pathetic.

I'm sure it's just pure frustration with this run of form at the moment. I refrained from posting anything really after the Leeds result, otherwise it may have been along similarly ridiculous lines, obviously.

[Meyyappan]

No one cares what you think about anything, so why not spend more time on something serious like trying to work out who your real Dad is.

Finally got that break with the own goal, but did fuck all after that. Scholes was probably our best player, which says a lot about how we played as he was nothing special.

If SAF doesn't buy someone in and continues to play wingers who cannot beat a man or cross a ball then I may turn to a different sport all together, as this is pathetic.

Son you should not talk to your father like that and about your grandad like that as well.

[NextBigThing]

:faceplm:

[Papa]

They say stick with your team through thick and thin but other fans haven't had to endure the kind of trials you have!

:laugh: Very good!

Son you should not talk to your father like that and about your grandad like that as well.

:faceplm:

You know Meyyappan, I think your signature should be a facepalm because it would save us facepalming your every post.

[fick]

I'm sure it's just pure frustration with this run of form at the moment. I refrained from posting anything really after the Leeds result, otherwise it may have been along similarly ridiculous lines, obviously.

Not been here for a wee while, but understand the sentiment. Our performances of late have bordered on shoddy and I doubt Ronaldo would've made much difference. Had he stayed against his obvious wishes he would surely have sulked in the corner. The only upshot of this would be Berba might've had to come out of it.

You know Meyyappan, I think your signature should be a facepalm because it would save us facepalming your every post.

Well put sir.

[requiem7]

I missed the first half against Birmingham and going by the reports United were well on top. Stil within touching distance of Chelsea and plenty players to come back. Vidic and Rio need to come back to give the defence a solid look. Rio is very decent on the ball (when he doesn't have lapses in concentration) and a good passer. looks like the reports of berbatov's knee are correct. I was impressed by his interview on the BBC with Shearer. It gave good insight into how he approaches the game.

[fick]

I missed the first half against Birmingham and going by the reports United were well on top. Stil within touching distance of Chelsea and plenty players to come back. Vidic and Rio need to come back to give the defence a solid look. Rio is very decent on the ball (when he doesn't have lapses in concentration) and a good passer. looks like the reports of berbatov's knee are correct. I was impressed by his interview on the BBC with Shearer. It gave good insight into how he approaches the game.

Vidic yes, Rio... :unsure:

Rio's performances have been substandard for some time prior to his recent injury issues.

As for Berba... if his interview was anything like his football it's likely he only turned up for 5 minutes. :laugh:

[SmAsHeD]

why didnt Fergie just buy Teves when he knew Ronaldo was going to leave anyway? I am sure he saw it coming at the beginning of 08/09 season... If he had wanted to buy Teves "completely" at the beginning of 08/09 season, Teves would have said yes straight away! And look at Teves now, scoring 10 goals in 7 PL matches. For Manchester CITY. How strange is that huh

[Mullet Taylor]

utd pay £47,000 an HOUR becauase of their debts. That is some crazy shit

[Hunter]

why didnt Fergie just buy Teves when he knew Ronaldo was going to leave anyway? I am sure he saw it coming at the beginning of 08/09 season... If he had wanted to buy Teves "completely" at the beginning of 08/09 season, Teves would have said yes straight away! And look at Teves now, scoring 10 goals in 7 PL matches. For Manchester CITY. How strange is that huh

We wanted to buy Tevez...sort of. We had already paid £10m for his long loan, but MSI (is it?) wanted a further £25m for his permanent contract. Tevez probably isn't worth £35m. However we eventually decided to stump all of the money up for him, and offered Tevez the contract he desired (was it £90,000 a week?). After all his statements saying he loves the fans and wants to stay, he turned the offer down and went to City. 'Nuff said.

[Miggy]

Dude, if Tevez isn't worth 35 then I think he's fair to say Berbatov was way over priced.

[Hunter]

Dude, if Tevez isn't worth 35 then I think he's fair to say Berbatov was way over priced.

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/uploads/13912/captain_obvious.jpg

Yeah, everyone knows Berbatov isn't worth £30m. A good percentage of the £30m fee though was undoubtedly a sum to keep Spurs hush since we tapped him up. I believe originally Spurs threatened to take us to court over the whole Berbatov-saga, that is until we stumped up the big fee of £30m. I can't really guess how much of that went to prevent Spurs launching a lawsuit, but I can imagine it being at least a few million.

[SmAsHeD]

We wanted to buy Tevez...sort of. We had already paid £10m for his long loan, but MSI (is it?) wanted a further £25m for his permanent contract. Tevez probably isn't worth £35m. However we eventually decided to stump all of the money up for him, and offered Tevez the contract he desired (was it £90,000 a week?). After all his statements saying he loves the fans and wants to stay, he turned the offer down and went to City. 'Nuff said.

You aint really looking from my point of view. What you mentioned at the final part was happening at the END of 08/09 season, which was when Teves felt he was unwanted at United. Thats why i said why didnt fregie try to buy him off at the BEGINNING of 08/09 season, when he knew Ronaldo wasnt gonna stay for long, thus foreseeing the striking power we would have need for this season. Teves would have signed the contract, without a doubt.

[dotty]

I'd pay 35m for Tevez in my team his work rate is second to none and he does chip in with some goals, he's skillful and creates plenty of assists.

[Joel]

You aint really looking from my point of view. What you mentioned at the final part was happening at the END of 08/09 season, which was when Teves felt he was unwanted at United. Thats why i said why didnt fregie try to buy him off at the BEGINNING of 08/09 season, when he knew Ronaldo wasnt gonna stay for long, thus foreseeing the striking power we would have need for this season. Teves would have signed the contract, without a doubt.

I agree with you. After all the success of Man Utd's 2007-08 season and the fact that Rooney and Tevez were linking up very good, I don't see why your club didn't just get Tevez on a permanent deal as soon as the summer began.

I do understand why Berbatov was bought; he was excellent at Tottenham and completely different to Rooney and Tevez. But I just think you messed up big with Tevez, as the partnership with Rooney and the rest of the team was already a success.

[Lord Shrimpeh]

I agree with you. After all the success of Man Utd's 2007-08 season and the fact that Rooney and Tevez were linking up very good, I don't see why your club didn't just get Tevez on a permanent deal as soon as the summer began.

I do understand why Berbatov was bought; he was excellent at Tottenham and completely different to Rooney and Tevez. But I just think you messed up big with Tevez, as the partnership with Rooney and the rest of the team was already a success.

Cos we couldn't afford him probably, even if we wanted him. Fergie was probably told he had a transfer budget of around £20 mill (even after selling Ronaldo) and didn't want to blow it all on Tevez when he needed to replace Ronaldo.

[Original?]

I agree with you. After all the success of Man Utd's 2007-08 season and the fact that Rooney and Tevez were linking up very good, I don't see why your club didn't just get Tevez on a permanent deal as soon as the summer began.

I do understand why Berbatov was bought; he was excellent at Tottenham and completely different to Rooney and Tevez. But I just think you messed up big with Tevez, as the partnership with Rooney and the rest of the team was already a success.

I agree with the first paragraph.

I don't think Berbatov is 'completely different' to Rooney. They play the same role in a team but do it in completely different styles. Berbatov is all technique, Rooney is all action but they both attempt to drop deeper and link up the play. The trouble is they don't have someone to link it to when playing together.

[Joel]

That's true. What I don't understand with Berbatov is that at Tottenham, while he did drop deep at times, Keane was always the striker the second striker role, with Berbatov ahead of him. And it was a success.

At Man United, it seems like he doesn't want to play high up the pitch at all.

[Foxhound]

That's true. What I don't understand with Berbatov is that at Tottenham, while he did drop deep at times, Keane was always the striker the second striker role, with Berbatov ahead of him. And it was a success.

At Man United, it seems like he doesn't want to play high up the pitch at all.

That's probably because Sir Alex told Rooney to be the one to be high up the pitch. I remember he said something along that line in the article where Owen's competition for a place in the starting lineup is Rooney.

[Mullet Taylor]

who says tevez would have turned it on at utd if he stayed ? lets not forget the goal droughts he commonly had at Utd, Utd fans were constantly praising his work rate but often questioned his goal scoring rate.

At City, he is being shown the love that Utd failed to give him imo, esp Fergie. Benching him etc. Plus at City he has a manager who has admitted he tried at sign tevez for Inter 2 years ago.

No way would Tevez be on the run of goals hes on the now if he stayed at utd, fair play for leaving.

[requiem7]

Vidic yes, Rio... :unsure:

Rio's performances have been substandard for some time prior to his recent injury issues.

As for Berba... if his interview was anything like his football it's likely he only turned up for 5 minutes. :laugh:

No the interview is 11 minutes long. Gives a good insight to him as a person and a footballer.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/football_focus/8409567.stm

United did want Tevez but his owner wanted too much money. And we did make him an offer that was turned down. He's probably on a shed load of sily money now.

[fick]

who says tevez would have turned it on at utd if he stayed ? lets not forget the goal droughts he commonly had at Utd, Utd fans were constantly praising his work rate but often questioned his goal scoring rate.

Irespective of his scoring rate, he was intrumental in goals scored by others. His movement alone help create space for others, something that has been lacking since he left.

No way would Tevez be on the run of goals hes on the now if he stayed at utd, fair play for leaving.

Not sure I agree with the goals, I'm positive he would've weighed in with more this year (in the absence of the Portugese ball hogger), but I don't blame him for leaving. The way he was treated towards the end was shit.

[SmAsHeD]

Irespective of his scoring rate, he was intrumental in goals scored by others. His movement alone help create space for others, something that has been lacking since he left.



Not sure I agree with the goals, I'm positive he would've weighed in with more this year (in the absence of the Portugese ball hogger), but I don't blame him for leaving. The way he was treated towards the end was shit.

Agreed with both points, especially the second.

Did wazza score many last season? No. Why? Because Ronaldo was always at the heart of attack and Ronney had to wonder around the wings instead. Would you say Rooney isnt a talent because of his last season's scoring record? No. Well if Rooney didnt have many chances, nevermind Teves. Yes, he wasnt the best finisher last season, but look at his performance last night.

I m not blaming Teves left United for City (well, obviously I wished he would have gone aboard instead...) but was upset that he wasnt treated rightly when at United which led to his leaving.

[ThaReaper01]

That's probably because Sir Alex told Rooney to be the one to be high up the pitch. I remember he said something along that line in the article where Owen's competition for a place in the starting lineup is Rooney.
What the hell? Rooney is the SS. Berbatov and Owen are fighting for the Center Forward spot. Rooney is keeping his spot until he retires.

[SmAsHeD]

What the hell? Rooney is the SS. Berbatov and Owen are fighting for the Center Forward spot. Rooney is keeping his spot until he retires.

"That's the thing, I think he's(Owen) identical to Wayne in the position he plays, which is further up the pitch with Dimitar Berbatov in your team.

"The combinations are more likely to be Berbatov and Owen or Berbatov and Rooney.

"With Rooney and Owen together you would have to drop Rooney in the hole and I prefer to play him further up the pitch."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/8438450.stm

[Foxhound]

What the hell? Rooney is the SS. Berbatov and Owen are fighting for the Center Forward spot. Rooney is keeping his spot until he retires.

I know. I prefer the Rooney we had in 2004-2005. He was much more exciting to watch.

[Billy Minof]

What the hell? Rooney is the SS. Berbatov and Owen are fighting for the Center Forward spot. Rooney is keeping his spot until he retires.

Or until ye have to sell him. :blush:

[Mullet Taylor]

Real aren't exactly debt free are they ? its just Utd's turn in the spotlight the now

[Hunter]

I know. I prefer the Rooney we had in 2004-2005. He was much more exciting to watch.

That was always the dilemma, and I'm sure we've debated it for a while on here too. I'm not sure but over the latter seasons hasn't Rooney scored more for us than his early years? If so, that's an indication that he's more significant now. I think the only reason people demand "the old Rooney" back is due to the kids fearless attitude and explosiveness. While he was obviously more entertaining to watch as youngster, surely that was partly due to the potential that was on the horizon and also the unpredictability in his game - which also led to several discipline problems lets not forget.

He's became a more well rounded footballer, and has sacrificed a lot of his fearlessness and unpredictability for the good of the team, and while many say it hasn't worked - it actually has. It's just that because of this less explosive and fiery approach, people don't recognise the level of play he's bringing to United nowadays.

[wrathchild_uk]

No way would Tevez be on the run of goals hes on the now if he stayed at utd, fair play for leaving.

I'm sure he would have if he was actually given a run of games and felt wanted at the club. Didn't he score four goals in the Carling cup last year against Blackburn to then only be dropped again the next game..

[fick]

Real aren't exactly debt free are they ? its just Utd's turn in the spotlight the now

Real will never worry about money. Spain tend to look after their teams, unlike the UK who are more likely to dock points and put clubs out of business. Not that it will happen to Utd. Unless the damn Glaziers really fuck up... :mellow:

Or until ye have to sell him. :blush:

I hope that doesn't happen, but with Rooney you can never tell... remember the "always a blue" comment?

He's became a more well rounded footballer, and has sacrificed a lot of his fearlessness and unpredictability for the good of the team, and while many say it hasn't worked - it actually has. It's just that because of this less explosive and fiery approach, people don't recognise the level of play he's bringing to United nowadays.

Agree entirely. Rooney has definitely taken huge steps to becoming a well rounded (and not just at the waist) footballer. I've said it before and will again, I can really see him as an attacking midfielder rather than forward. His build, work rate, movement and playmaking would really suit that position. Would love to see him in the "Scholes" role in the future.

[Joel]

The only thing I will say about Rooney being an attacking midfielder, is that top class attacking midfieldrs see the killer pass, before anyone else does. I don't think Rooney has that. He has the mentality of a striker, imo.

[Mullet Taylor]

thats harsh Joel, i've seen Rooney play many a killer ball but Utd have enough midfielders anyway, shouldn't even be thinkin bout it

[Makavelian]

http://msn.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_5858869,00.html :shocking:

this is the most depressing thing
as a born and bread mancunian

if this does happen i think ill be following fc united

(edit)
naa actually fuck that

[Lord Shrimpeh]

Apparently we're going to sell Old Trafford, Carrington and Rooney...

[requiem7]

Apparently we're going to sell Old Trafford, Carrington and Rooney...

Is that what the link led you to? I don't get anything when I clicked on the link. But 365 is rubbish a lot of the time. Sell Old Trafford? The name? That be a joke seling it to a sponsor to name.

[Haribo]

First hour of that match; wow. Speaks volumes when Gary Neville was one of the better players, seems like he was the only one arsed to defend. :faceplm:

Good for Diouf to score, but we'll see. I'll be able to make a better judgement when he starts a game.

[ThaReaper01]

First hour of that match; wow. Speaks volumes when Gary Neville was one of the better players, seems like he was the only one arsed to defend. :faceplm:

Good for Diouf to score, but we'll see. I'll be able to make a better judgement when he starts a game.

:thumbsup:


Very happy for the lad. After all, I'm the one who spoke/speaks so highly of him.

[requiem7]

A mixed back todays game. Could easily have lost if Nugent hadn't bottled it.
Valencia and Nani were frustrating today. Although Nan's overhead kick was a highlight. But 3-0 is a decent win and keeps us in the hunt.

[Foxhound]

A mixed back todays game. Could easily have lost if Nugent hadn't bottled it.
Valencia and Nani were frustrating today. Although Nan's overhead kick was a highlight. But 3-0 is a decent win and keeps us in the hunt.

I was convinced that had S. Fletcher scored, United would lose, or at best, nick a draw.

[Mullet Taylor]

and who says Utd don't get the breaks in football ?

[requiem7]

Many chants at the end of the game about the Glazers.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/manchester_united/article6985569.ece

[Foxhound]

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/152201/MANCHESTER-UNITED-FOR-SALE-AS-SPLASH-SHEIKHS-LINE-UP-1-2M-TAKEOVER-BID/

Would've been more believable if the headline didn't say 1.2m

[Ziss]

and who says Utd don't get the breaks in football ?
you really need to read things properly before asking questions.

[Mullet Taylor]

you really need to read things properly before asking questions.

im guessing it was you that once said Utd haven't been getting the breaks in matches ? or words to that effect. I cba going threw my history

if you weren't on about that then please let meh know what i've to read properly

[SmAsHeD]

does anyone think we will sign anyone within this 12days?

[Ziss]

im guessing it was you that once said Utd haven't been getting the breaks in matches ? or words to that effect. I cba going threw my history

if you weren't on about that then please let meh know what i've to read properly

Please can we catch a fucking break?!
Hardly saying that we don't get breaks in football? Does it? If you'd bothered to read the posts I said how it seems we hadn't been getting breaks as of late.

[requiem7]

does anyone think we will sign anyone within this 12days?

Not bloody likely. We need to need to run the Glazers out of town with pitch forks and burning sticks.
I was happy with them not interfering with team matters and supporting the team. But the revelations that if the the team is not successful on the pitch they cannot afford that is scarey news. They have detailed a worse case scenario and that involves selling the ground/training groun and leasing back them. They also have been taking personal loans.
Man United not owning the Theatre of Dreams. Thats shocking. They also boast about increasing ticket prices!
The voices of discontent are going to get louder by the day.

[SmAsHeD]

Not bloody likely. We need to need to run the Glazers out of town with pitch forks and burning sticks.
I was happy with them not interfering with team matters and supporting the team. But the revelations that if the the team is not successful on the pitch they cannot afford that is scarey news. They have detailed a worse case scenario and that involves selling the ground/training groun and leasing back them. They also have been taking personal loans.
Man United not owning the Theatre of Dreams. Thats shocking. They also boast about increasing ticket prices!
The voices of discontent are going to get louder by the day.

to be honest I never thought that the day of United lacking transfer funds would ever come, specially after selling Ronaldo... I gunuinely believed that the "Ronaldo cash" would be used to strengthen the squad. I m disappointed really.

[requiem7]

to be honest I never thought that the day of United lacking transfer funds would ever come, specially after selling Ronaldo... I gunuinely believed that the "Ronaldo cash" would be used to strengthen the squad. I m disappointed really.

If we do spend any money I suspect it'll come from our strip sponsor. They have got about half the money upfront for that. Nowhere near 80 million.

Did you hear Old Trafford towards the Glazers at the Burnley game?

[Lord Shrimpeh]

to be honest I never thought that the day of United lacking transfer funds would ever come, specially after selling Ronaldo... I gunuinely believed that the "Ronaldo cash" would be used to strengthen the squad. I m disappointed really.

If we hadn't used it to service the debt we'd have made a £40 million loss last year. For the most financially successful club in the world to make a loss shows what a load of fuckers those yanks are

[Bish]

I don't have much sympathy for Utd's plight for the mere fact that they (shareholders) agreed to the takeover in the first place. Though I don't understand why the Glazers were allowed to buy the club in the first place, when they didn't actually have the money to buy it. They shouldn't have been allowed to pile all their debt onto the club.

Unfortunately, as soon as Abramovich came into English football, these sort of scenarios were almost inevitable.

[requiem7]

I don't have much sympathy for Utd's plight for the mere fact that they (shareholders) agreed to the takeover in the first place. Though I don't understand why the Glazers were allowed to buy the club in the first place, when they didn't actually have the money to buy it. They shouldn't have been allowed to pile all their debt onto the club.

Unfortunately, as soon as Abramovich came into English football, these sort of scenarios were almost inevitable.

Not all the shareholders wanted to sell. They were forced to by the law. They problem they have just now is that some of the loans need to paid by big installments by 2013. They have to keep their squad full of quality as if the team are not winning they are in serious trouble. I would say sell shares to the fans but that wouldn't stop another Glazer type buyout.

[Hunter]

Not all the shareholders wanted to sell. They were forced to by the law. They problem they have just now is that some of the loans need to paid by big installments by 2013. They have to keep their squad full of quality as if the team are not winning they are in serious trouble. I would say sell shares to the fans but that wouldn't stop another Glazer type buyout.


I was positive it was around May 2012? Either way, there's no chance the Glazers can raise the £500m or so needed in a couple of years.

The tickets for tonight were set at £25 too, that is until the Glazers heard about it and demanded they were hiked - which is now why the tickets generally cost in the region of £41 - for a Carling Cup game ffs.

Was on RedCafe too and there seems to be some real protesting going under way again now against the Glazers, we seem to be bringing back the old Newton Heath colours (green and gold) so expect to see a few of our throwback shirts tonight (mine is at home in the cupboard and I'm at Uni unfortunately!). But I heard our fans were thrown out last game for anti-Glazer chants, and I'm talking a huge number of fans thrown out. Really silly to be honest, just for standing and singing, what has our club come to?

[ThaReaper01]

Superb by Valencia. Joke of a penalty.

[Appswah]

should of been a freekick ffs. How hasnt bellamy been given a yellow yet?

[Ziss]

Because he's the cuntiest player in existance?

[Appswah]

Because he's the cuntiest player in existance?

...thats certainly a possibilty, as he is a cunt.

[ThaReaper01]

Clutch by VDS and Patrice.

[Appswah]

Tevez = Cunt

Edit: and this ref is pissing me off.

[ThaReaper01]

Unfuckingbelieveable. Carrick needs to come off. Rooney needs Mame or Owen to help him out, he's being blanketed.


EDIT: ANDERSON?! WTF? Carrick has done nothing all game but you take Anderson off?!

[Dan]

We should never have sold Bellamy.

Smashing penalty from Tevez too. Damn near burst the net.

[Miggy]

Is Jin at the game and bringing United his good luck?

[ThaReaper01]

WTF is Fergie doing? Take fucking Carrick off. Not Valencia, who's been setting up the fucking offense. Jesus.


What a joke. Maybe Fergie should retire. Fuck. Why would you take Valencia off. For Paul Scholes of all people. But Shay Given deserves a ton of credit. City fans know if any other keeper is in the net Man U hangs 4 on them.

[Ziss]

Do City always time waste? Noticed it at Old Trafford earlier this season, but not watched too much of them since.

[Dragonfly]

How many teams don't?

[Papa]

How many teams don't?

Fulham are physically incapable of it. We try but fail miserably every time so generally give up on the idea.

EDIT: "Touche Touvez. But remember it's two legs"

Oh dear Gary.

[Haribo]

A plague on your house, Mike Dean!

[Ziss]

A plague on your house, Mike Dean!
I wouldn't mind so much if it was just the penalty decision he fucked up, but he literally gave us nothing.

[ThaReaper01]

I wouldn't mind so much if it was just the penalty decision he fucked up, but he literally gave us nothing.

Or the handball. Towards the end of the game when Rooney flicked the ball up..

[Bish]

Even when City were camped in their own area, I still felt like Utd would score. Fergie obviously put Scholes on for Valencia to get someone on who could pick a pass out in tight spaces.

I don't think Fergie will be too upset with 2-1. I'd still make them favourites. Rooney was exceptional at times.

[ThaReaper01]

Even when City were camped in their own area, I still felt like Utd would score. Fergie obviously put Scholes on for Valencia to get someone on who could pick a pass out in tight spaces.

I don't think Fergie will be too upset with 2-1. I'd still make them favourites. Rooney was exceptional at times.

I'd agree with that, but Scholes should not have come on at the time he did. Look what he did. Dick. Valencia was menacing to City, but I guess I'm the only one who noticed. But yes, all we need is a 1-0 win and we go through. Diouf really needed to come on earlier. He's the only on tall enough and has a good enough leap to latch on to those crosses.

[Dragonfly]

Even when City were camped in their own area, I still felt like Utd would score. Fergie obviously put Scholes on for Valencia to get someone on who could pick a pass out in tight spaces.

I don't think Fergie will be too upset with 2-1. I'd still make them favourites. Rooney was exceptional at times.

Rooney's close control in crowded areas was impressive.

[Cannon ball]

Do City always time waste? Noticed it at Old Trafford earlier this season, but not watched too much of them since.

Do United always get so much added time? I'm not getting carried away at all though. This must be the first time we've won a derby, and I've not felt satisfied much. Still, I would have certainly taken a first leg victory.

[Mullet Taylor]

Rooney's performance wasn't good enough to catch Given out this time round. Owen almost scored a flukey goal but given's blushes were saved by the man on the line.

This tie is all but over, in 11 days time wont Utd have at least Vidic or Rio back ? Evans is great when he partners either of them, but when hes with the likes of Brown, hes just a normal defender. You see brown and Evans run out to get the same ball which created the space for tevez to score

Never a penalty though. you think the ref gave the penalty because of the everton Vs City game ?

Carling cup used to be a shite cup but this year its been entertaining.

[ThaReaper01]

Rooney's performance wasn't good enough to catch Given out this time round. Owen almost scored a flukey goal but given's blushes were saved by the man on the line.

This tie is all but over, in 11 days time wont Utd have at least Vidic or Rio back ? Evans is great when he partners either of them, but when hes with the likes of Brown, hes just a normal defender. You see brown and Evans run out to get the same ball which created the space for tevez to score

Never a penalty though. you think the ref gave the penalty because of the everton Vs City game ?

Carling cup used to be a shite cup but this year its been entertaining.

Shay Given should have been MOTM.

[Phatmann]

Yeah, Given was tremendous; definitely MOTM. Mullet, it's only 8 days 'til the next game, not 11, so even if Vidic is fit, he will probably be a bit rusty. However, a rusty Vidic would probably be better at centre-back than Brown and Evans playing there.

Unfortunately, Scholes isn't a shade of the player he was but to be fair to him, what the fuck was he gonna do coming on in the 87th minute? Diouf coming on in the 90th minute was a bit silly too. I thought Owen looked sharp as usual but he still seems to scuff his shots whenever he gets an opportunity. Are his boots sponsored by the local clown college?

[Hunter]

Maybe Carlos has forgot he has to come back to Old Trafford next week?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/01_03/Tevez1901_482x449.jpg

[ThaReaper01]

I saw Carlos do that and was thinking "Calm down Gary.". Unbelieveable that Tevez would do that. I thought he was class...

[Dan]

Regardless, he played another blinder and proved once again he was worth the money.
I saw Carlos do that and was thinking "Calm down Gary.". Unbelieveable that Tevez would do that. I thought he was class..
What's he done wrong? Apart from tell an over-opinionated little prat to shush up a bit?
Rooney on the other hand can call a ref a "fucking cheat" and no one mentions anything.

[requiem7]

Mike Dean is a cunt.

[Ziss]

Regardless, he played another blinder and proved once again he was worth the money.
A blinder? Were we watching the same game?

[SmAsHeD]

Rooney's close control in crowded areas was impressive.
agreed. His on and off the ball movement are just too great. Who said he was overrated huhh

ANYWAY, I KNEW IT. i knew Teves would haunt us back. God sake.

I thought Owen looked sharp as usual but he still seems to scuff his shots whenever he gets an opportunity. Are his boots sponsored by the local clown college?
forgot when exactly durin the match but I saw Owen made a killer run but Carrick, who was havin the ball, didnt notice. at that very moment, I wished I could nick the ball off him and pass it to Owen...

[Foxhound]

Unfortunately, Scholes isn't a shade of the player he was but to be fair to him, what the fuck was he gonna do coming on in the 87th minute? Diouf coming on in the 90th minute was a bit silly too.

Agreed. I also think that Owen should've come on right after Tevez scored.

Rooney as a lone striker when playing against any decent teams is a disaster. It's no coincidence that he started to improve when he had another striker with him.

[Phatmann]

agreed. His on and off the ball movement are just too great. Who said he was overrated huhh

ANYWAY, I KNEW IT. i knew Teves would haunt us back. God sake.


forgot when exactly durin the match but I saw Owen made a killer run but Carrick, who was havin the ball, didnt notice. at that very moment, I wished I could nick the ball off him and pass it to Owen...
Yeah, I saw that too. He just needed to clip it over the top and Owen was pretty much through on goal. Unfortunately he didn't even see him.

[Haribo]

Had a quick glance at the Daily Mail and the reporter gave Carrick 8/10 and Rooney 5/10. What fucking match was he watching?

[requiem7]

Loved Gary giving the greedy barsteward the finger. Can't wait for the caldron of hate for the 2nd leg at Old Trafford. I want City and Glazer to get it in the neck.

[Cannon ball]

Loved Gary giving the greedy barsteward the finger. Can't wait for the caldron of hate for the 2nd leg at Old Trafford. I want City and Glazer to get it in the neck.

Neville is just a horrible, odious, little man.

[Jonny2J]

Yeah, Given was tremendous; definitely MOTM. Mullet, it's only 8 days 'til the next game, not 11, so even if Vidic is fit, he will probably be a bit rusty. However, a rusty Vidic would probably be better at centre-back than Brown and Evans playing there.

Unfortunately, Scholes isn't a shade of the player he was but to be fair to him, what the fuck was he gonna do coming on in the 87th minute? Diouf coming on in the 90th minute was a bit silly too. I thought Owen looked sharp as usual but he still seems to scuff his shots whenever he gets an opportunity. Are his boots sponsored by the local clown college?World class finisher though.

[Phatmann]

He is, he just has the wrong boots on. He's like Cinderella or summat; as soon as he finds the perfect boot, he will be banging them in like mad.

How is Danny Simpsoy getting on?

[Lord Shrimpeh]

How is Danny Simpsoy getting on?

My brother got me tickets to the Newcastle game on Monday and he was poor, gave the ball away too easily. Doesn't matter though cos he's signed for them permanently:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/8469941.stm

Just a word on the Tevez thing. It's stupid the hype the media have put on last night's match. He wasn't that brilliant and his goals was a penalty and a tap in. Plus we didn't reject him, we even offered him a deal and he rejected us! Besides at £35 million, the total amount we'd have paid, he wasn't worth it. All the commentator/media hype really pisses me off. Guess they have to make a story out of something though.

[Foxhound]

Just a word on the Tevez thing. It's stupid the hype the media have put on last night's match. He wasn't that brilliant and his goals was a penalty and a tap in. Plus we didn't reject him, we even offered him a deal and he rejected us! Besides at £35 million, the total amount we'd have paid, he wasn't worth it. All the commentator/media hype really pisses me off. Guess they have to make a story out of something though.

Of course he was :ninja:

He was all over the place. Unsettling our defenders and defended when needed to.

Something that made me laugh about the commentator. He said that since the Premiership era, United has won 8 Premier League titles and 2 European Cups. He said that after the camera was focusing the 33 years banner. :lol:

[Appswah]

Oshea's out for the rest of the season. :|

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_5874817,00.html

[Lord Shrimpeh]

Of course he was :ninja:

He was all over the place. Unsettling our defenders and defended when needed to.

Something that made me laugh about the commentator. He said that since the Premiership era, United has won 8 Premier League titles and 2 European Cups. He said that after the camera was focusing the 33 years banner. :lol:

He's always been like that. It's great but he wasn't any better than when at Old Trafford.

[Jonny2J]

He is, he just has the wrong boots on. He's like Cinderella or summat; as soon as he finds the perfect boot, he will be banging them in like mad.

How is Danny Simpsoy getting on?Piss poor going forward, not bad defensively although Thomas tore him a new one on Monday. Been poor the last month or so but relatively solid before that. He'll do a job for now and our squad is threadbare so can't complain about the signing due to the position we are now in.

[nath_scfc]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jan/20/manchester-city-united-hooliganism

Police believe they may have saved a player from being seriously injured after darts and golf balls were confiscated from Manchester United supporters before their club's Carling Cup semi-final first leg at Manchester City on Tuesday.

Lovely bunch.

[Lord Shrimpeh]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jan/20/manchester-city-united-hooliganism



Lovely bunch.

Yet the only stuff that was thrown was thrown by City fans? I'm sure if someone wanted to smuggle a golf ball in they would be able to

[Hunter]

Seems pretty mental, but we can't forget City fans were caught smuggling in weapons too. Is it just me or has hooliganism been creeping back into football this season? I'm sure our game against Blackburn last year saw an incredible amount of arrests, not to mention the West Ham vs. Millwall clash in which someone was stabbed, the Stoke fan who was nearly killed by the Brummies. Now the Manchester derby, there's no doubt it will kick off again next week, maybe not inside the ground but certainly outside. I just hope if I get my ticket that I'll be in pronto, although all the tension and intimidation makes for a crackling atmosphere and I cannot wait. I'd love to see our fans with more flares regularly, I remember a few years back we used to bring in flares every now and then and toilet roll too to throw out especially when we scored. Was always a bit of a laugh, and seemed to add an extra oomph to the crowd, got everybody singing more it seemed.

I obviously don't condone darts, golf balls etc, but flares will always make a night match a bit more special. Plus it'll probably be as close as City come to a Champions League atmosphere for a while. ;)

[Lord Shrimpeh]

At least when we play Liverpool we'll just be bringing some "harmless" beach balls!

[Meyyappan]

He's always been like that. It's great but he wasn't any better than when at Old Trafford.

Instead of scoring some 3-10 goals a season,halfway this season he is already @ 13 goals.

[Appswah]

ha. 4-0.. Rooney was fantastic from what i saw. Glad he's captain on my Fantasy team :)

[Haribo]

Nani was great today, best performance of his in months. Dominated most of the match but I felt we should have punished Hull more (thinking it would end 1-0). 4-0 is slightly flattering and no doubt Phil Brown will needlessly moan about the second.

Shocked that we've got a goal difference equal to Chelsea and Arsenal.

[requiem7]

Nani looked more confident and his delivery was great. Cracking shift by Scholes.
Rooney was lethal today. It was tight though for parts of the 2nd half while it was just 1-0. If Hull had got a goal, who knows what would have happened?
Owen played well but his shooting is off. Must be a confidence thing. Nice to see Rio back, hope nothing comes of that incident he had with Fagan.
But top of the league. Can't beat it.

[Lord Shrimpeh]

Instead of scoring some 3-10 goals a season,halfway this season he is already @ 13 goals.

That's cos we used him as a sub too much. He's always been class, just wasn't worth 35 million to us (and we couldn't afford it!). I can't say he's been better than he was with us just playing in a worst team than he did with us, like how awesome he was for West Ham.

Good game today again proving we have the squad for 85% of games but need another star just to go that extra distance. Nani plays well when he wants to we just need some consistency from him and he'd be first team.

[requiem7]

That's cos we used him as a sub too much. He's always been class, just wasn't worth 35 million to us (and we couldn't afford it!). I can't say he's been better than he was with us just playing in a worst team than he did with us, like how awesome he was for West Ham.

Good game today again proving we have the squad for 85% of games but need another star just to go that extra distance. Nani plays well when he wants to we just need some consistency from him and he'd be first team.

I think Nani just needed some confidence. He gained bags of it today. He ran at the defence and made telling crosses. If he stays in the team he could get better and better.

[Lord Shrimpeh]

I think Nani just needed some confidence. He gained bags of it today. He ran at the defence and made telling crosses. If he stays in the team he could get better and better.

I agree I think he has the natural talent and always did just has been a bit patchy in applying it. After looking at Beckford's display in our match and against tottenham I wonder if he'd be worth a punt... must be cheap and might be a good gamble

[Hunter]

I was just wondering if the highlights are on TV at all, I've seen Rooney's last 3 goals on YouTube but the quality was so poor I felt blind. Can't believe there isn't any highlights from what I could see in the guide mind, urgh.

[Phatmann]

I was just wondering if the highlights are on TV at all, I've seen Rooney's last 3 goals on YouTube but the quality was so poor I felt blind. Can't believe there isn't any highlights from what I could see in the guide mind, urgh.
Sky Sports 1 at 11pm highlights were on.

[ThaReaper01]

simplyreds.com mate. Has highlights for just about every game Man U has played this year. Subscribe to their YT page, they release interviews, then soon after the highlights come out.

[Mullet Taylor]

don't be getting happy with a result against Hull City

[Lord Shrimpeh]

I was just wondering if the highlights are on TV at all, I've seen Rooney's last 3 goals on YouTube but the quality was so poor I felt blind. Can't believe there isn't any highlights from what I could see in the guide mind, urgh.

www.footytube.com is pretty good for all matches, proper highlights too

[Hunter]

don't be getting happy with a result against Hull City

:rolleyes:

I don't think anyone even boasted about it. Either way, I'm fucking delighted. You can only beat what is in front of you, and after our run of form we desperately needed a good result, and to score 4 against Hull will give our team some good confidence going into our game against Citeh midweek.

I'd be happy if we got a 4-0 result against Scunthorpe, so to knock 4 past Hull in the state we're in, as I've said I'm delighted. But then again you're only trolling to get a response aren't you, rare.

[Appswah]

Rumours going round that we've made an £7m offer to fulham for Chris Smalling.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_5886134,00.html

[Foxhound]

How good is he?

[Appswah]

I think ive only seen him play once but cant remember how well he did. I think it was a europa league game but not entirely sure.

Edit: He's pretty tall at around 6ft 4

[Haribo]

Is he the guy who scored on own goal against Chelsea in his first Premier league start?

[Papa]

Smalling is a great player and you can back the fuck off. Yeah, Guillermo, that was him. I was gutted for him because he'd had a great game and had Drogba in his pocket all day. He was a yard out and it hit him in the knee, nothing he could've done.

[Haribo]

Manchester United defender Rio Ferdinand has been charged with violent conduct by the Football Association.

The charge refers to an incident involving Craig Fagan in the second half of Manchester United's 4-0 win over Hull on Saturday.

The 31-year-old has until 1800 GMT on Wednesday to respond to the charge.

Ferdinand could plead guilty and accept the three-match ban or challenge the decision, in which case a disciplinary hearing will be held on Thursday.

Even if Ferdinand pleads guilty, the centre-half could still play in the second leg of the Carling Cup semi-final against Manchester City on Wednesday with his suspension beginning on Sunday when his side travel to Arsenal.

Portsmouth travel to Old Trafford on 6 February and if Ferdinand plays against City, the third match of any ban would be at Aston Villa on 10 February.

:faceplm:

[Appswah]

He's only just come back! :|

[Papa]

Reds swoop for Smalling

United have agreed terms with Fulham to sign young central defender Chris Smalling.

The 20-year-old Greenwich-born defender will join the Reds from the start of the 2010/11 season.

A club spokesperson told ManUtd.com: "Manchester United has agreed terms for the transfer of Chris Smalling from Fulham.

"Chris has agreed personal terms with the club and will join for the beginning of the 2010/2011 campaign. He will remain at Fulham until the end of the current season."

Motherfuckers.

Well, to be fair, it sounds like a good deal for both clubs. You get a very good player who will continue to improve, we get to keep him for the rest of the season and hopefully a nice amount of money out of it. I wish him the best of luck at Old Trafford.

[Appswah]

Awesome.

Does anyone think this deal has anything to do with danny simpson leaving? I know they play in different positions but still?

[Foxhound]

More likely to do with Rio being a sicknote nowadays, and the never-going-away rumours about Vidic leaving.

[Dan]

Strange, I thought he would have gone to Arsenal, where he'd be more likely to get games.

Here's hoping he's a massive flop. :joel:

[Appswah]

oohh apparently Fulham are saying its not a done deal and have now accepted an offer from Arsenal. SSN dont know whats going on lol.

[Foxhound]

oohh apparently Fulham are saying its not a done deal and have now accepted an offer from Arsenal. SSN dont know whats going on lol.

It's Ramsey all over again.

[requiem7]

oohh apparently Fulham are saying its not a done deal and have now accepted an offer from Arsenal. SSN dont know whats going on lol.

Well Man Uts website says they have bought him. Their not usually wrong when announcing deals.

[Appswah]

http://www.fulhamfc.com/Club/News/NewsArticles/2010/January/SmallingStatement.aspx

Fulham have confirmed aswell. It just balances on a successful medical and final terms being agreed.

[Appswah]

Tosic has been loaned out to Cologne till the end of the season.

[Foxhound]

Tosic has been loaned out to Cologne till the end of the season.

Wouldn't surprise me if it ends up as a permanent deal. He's probably the most useless signing ever. Didn't he cost around 7 million? He's only got 1 game in the first team, last season, in the Carling Cup against Blackburn.

[Appswah]

Prediction for tonight? I a feeling city will put out a really defensive line up and just try defend the entire time.

I think we'll use the whole 4-3-3 attacking dropping to a 4-5-1 when we dont have possession.

I think 2-1 to us.

[Haribo]

I think 2-1 to us.

Meaning penalties? ;(

I can't see us keeping a clean sheet, nor can I see us scoring 2 more. Wouldn't be surprised to see City score first on a counter-attack with us having to chase the rest of the game.

[Ziss]

I DEMAND a top performance tonight; against the top teams as of late we've only put in a one decent shift which was away to Arsenal in the CL last season.

I want to see 3-0 United, with Rooney getting the third who then runs to the bench and cups his ears to Tevez, who had before been subbed off.

[Joel]

I DEMAND a top performance tonight; against the top teams as of late we've only put in a one decent shift which was away to Arsenal in the CL last season.

I want to see 3-0 United, with Rooney getting the third who then runs to the bench and cups his ears to Tevez, who had before been subbed off.

You put in a decent shift agaist us earlier in the season, but you just didn't get that goal in the first half, which would have probably won you the game.

Rooney wouldn't do that, as him and Tevez don't have any bad feelings towards each other. Tevez was right to taunt that idiot Neville last week.

[Ziss]

You put in a decent shift agaist us earlier in the season, but you just didn't get that goal in the first half, which would have probably won you the game.

Rooney wouldn't do that, as him and Tevez don't have any bad feelings towards each other. Tevez was right to taunt that idiot Neville last week.

It wasn't at Neville; Neville reacted.

All he had to do was nothing. But instead he showed how much he really lacks class.

[Appswah]

Disappointing first half :/ No creativity at all.

[Papa]

See Smalling signing autographs there?

I miss him already :crymore: (even though he still plays for us for the next few months).

[Joel]

It wasn't at Neville; Neville reacted.

All he had to do was nothing. But instead he showed how much he really lacks class.

Of course it was at Neville. But if he did it to the fans as well, then fair play. He didn't say a bad word about them, yet they booed him. I don't get why some fans think it's fine to give out, but not take.

He wanted to stay all the time at Man Utd, there was no contract offer until Ronaldo was sold. He was right to leave.

[Appswah]

Bellamy smacked with a coin then a bottle :/


SCHOOOLEEES! 1-0 :)

[Papa]

You see Van der Sar yell at the fans after the Bellamy incident? Good on him.

[Appswah]

You see Van der Sar yell at the fans after the Bellamy incident? Good on him.

Yeh he stood between bellamy and the crowd and yelled. Bellamy is a first class cunt but throwing stuff at players is ridiculous.

But saying that Evra got pelted with stuff in the first leg.




Edit: Carriiiicckk! 2-0!!


Edit 2: 2-1 :| Rooney missed a sitter earlier.

[Sweey]

I'm not watching as the delights of Milan-Udinese have me captivated (please note the extreme sarcasm) but all day I've believed you'd edge them out and it looks as though that will be the case.

Unless they bloody score now.

[Miggy]

Fergie sign him up!

[Sweey]

:faceplm:

[Papa]

Couldn't believe Rooney's miss. This has turned into a great game of football. Since when has the Carling Cup been good?!

[Appswah]

Rooney roooney!

[Papa]

Football? Bloody hell!

[Appswah]

Hahaaa Fergie's face! We're off to Wembley.

[Ziss]

Carlos Tevez...Welcome to Manchester!!!

[Joel]

If I was Original? I'd ban all the Man Utd fans here. Then again, Phatmann would just reverse it.

I can't believe you've done this to City twice now. That's just bad.

[Original?]

You're a bunch of pathetic cunts, seriously. All the practice you've had and you still can't win gracefully.

Great game, first half was very tactical and I think City edged it out doing what they needed to. The second half opened up too much as I was increasingly concerned for Boyata as time progressed. He was supremely composed at the beginning of the half but toward the end he showed his lack of experience a number of times and it turned out to be decisive. I feel around the 82nd minute when everyone of his clearances was going straight up in the air, he needed a couple of calming words and unfortunately Shay didn't provide it. Tevez was excellent and on another day may have got the second we needed.

Rooney, Nani and Giggs were excellent tonight but I don't think that's where you won it. The likes of Evans, Evra etc. were the difference our none key players just aren't quite good enough. The tie could have gone either way and it was a great spectacle, unfortunately from my perspective it was Rooney who buried his header and not Adebayor. If the reports of us rushing Santa Cruz back are true... I think it's a decision we should now be regretting.

Excellent game, gutting result but United won fairly.

The coin and bottle incident was a massive blight on what was otherwise a great atmosphere.

If I was Original? I'd ban all the Man Utd fans here. Then again, Phatmann would just reverse it.


Not after I de-admined him and shipped him onto the ban heap along with the rest of them. ;)

[Sweey]

Terry Venables sits back (looking like a pedo) and talks like someone who is calm and has been on TV a lot. Jamie Redknapp gets carried away, almost gets out of breath and has to be reined in.

Sorry, just watching Sky Sports as they discuss bits of the game.

[Bish]

Spot on evaluation Sweey.

Great game and a terrific tie. Disgusting scene with the coin and bottle. What was more pathetic was the fans cheering when Bellamy got hit.

Really wanted to see Extra Time, bloody Rooney.

[requiem7]

Great result for United. Great performance again by Fletcher.
Rooney was world class. Carrick was superb. But Scholes what a game he had. His passing was fantastic. Poor show on the missles thrown at Bellamy. But does the way Bellamy carry himself on the pitch make him more of a terget?

[Papa]

Great result for United. Great performance again by Fletcher.
Rooney was world class. Carrick was superb. But Scholes what a game he had. His passing was fantastic. Poor show on the missles thrown at Bellamy. But does the way Bellamy carry himself on the pitch make him more of a terget?

Bellamy's a massive twat but that doesn't mean throwing coins and bottles at him is acceptable.

[Baddar]

You're a bunch of pathetic cunts, seriously. All the practice you've had and you still can't win gracefully.



A bit like the City fan at Eastlands who thought it'd be fun to throw a lighter at Evra.

I hate fans who throw stuff onto the pitch, don't get me wrong, but you talk as if that one person represents United as a whole, when 99.9% of the supporters hate it when stuff like this happens.

[Hunter]

What a fucking game. Seriously. As Original said, despite the first half lacking goals, it was genuinely enthralling. We certainly got the better of the possession and created a few half chances, and looked more threatening as the half came to a close. However City done a good job of clearing the crosses that came flowing in, although the majority of them barely came off the ground.

I'm still absolutely buzzing to be honest, and rightfully so of course. As for the coin/bottles throwing incident, obviously no one likes to see such situations, but Bellamy does himself no favours considering he's one of the biggest cunts in the league. Shay Given was in front of the United fans all game, and nothing happened, I can only think it was due to everyone hating Bellamy. Let me put it this way, if I had the choice of the usual dull atmosphere or an excellent and noisy atmosphere with the increased chance of the odd bottle or coin being thrown, I'd choose the latter, everytime.

As for the actual game, it was an absolute joy to see Paul Scholes playing like he was in his golden years again. His vision and passing was perfect tonight, as was Giggsy's play, and even Nani was superb in the first half which is a real positive sign for his future. I was generally impressed with our whole team tonight, and it made for a great match.

Was worried for Carrick when Rooney jumped on his shoulders mind. :laugh:

[Baddar]

Worrying? Yes.

Awesome? Even more so. Rooney on Carrick's shoulders with his arms up in the air is a picture I won't forget in a hurry.

[Appswah]

...its happened before, the whole rooney jumping on carricks shoulders..

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/05/14/article-1181391-04ED75EE000005DC-407_468x310_popup.jpg


..shame tevez didnt enjoy the celebration tonight as much as he did in the photo :D

edit: There some good photos on skysports

http://img.skysports.com/10/01/800x600/Wayne-Rooney-Manchester-United-City-Carling-C_2412392.jpg

[Baddar]

Hahaha, remember that now.

And the shot of Tevez looking down when Rooney scored the winner was immense. Especially when it panned further out and VDS was there, with a calm as you like fist-pump.

[ThaReaper01]

A bit like the City fan at Eastlands who thought it'd be fun to throw a lighter at Evra.

I hate fans who throw stuff onto the pitch, don't get me wrong, but you talk as if that one person represents United as a whole, when 99.9% of the supporters hate it when stuff like this happens.

haha What a twat this Original lad is.

[Baddar]

You said that, not me. >_>

[Original?]

The statement quoted was not related to fans throwing objects onto the pitch. It was related to pathetic statements previously posted in this very thread. In which case, I'm not a 'twat' as it was so wittily suggested. I'd highlight the irony of the statement Reaper made but I'm relatively certain such concepts are well above his head.

I'd be interested to know what people think makes Bellamy such a cunt? What does he do that the likes of Rooney don't? Maybe... just maybe... it's a self-fulfilling stereotype propagated through the media.

Hunter, should the choice really be between an electric atmosphere and safety of players? The problem is moronic individuals in the crowd who unfortunately dent the reputation of all the fans. You don't get this kind of behaviour between fans in rugby stadiums or cricket grounds, I suppose it's the problem of mass appeal. Perhaps, we should complicate the rules of football further to dissuade the less mentally developed from attending football matches... who knows!

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I'd be interested to know what people think makes Bellamy such a cunt? What does he do that the likes of Rooney don't? Maybe... just maybe... it's a self-fulfilling stereotype propagated through the media.

I think it's just his demeanor, constantly whinging and playing the hard man despite being a small rat-like figure. People will always state the same about Gary Neville, and everyone calls him a cunt no? Of course. I can understand how Gary Neville is considered a cunt, but he's our cunt, whilst Bellamy is the cunt of our rivals.

Hunter, should the choice really be between an electric atmosphere and safety of players? The problem is moronic individuals in the crowd who unfortunately dent the reputation of all the fans. You don't get this kind of behaviour between fans in rugby stadiums or cricket grounds, I suppose it's the problem of mass appeal. Perhaps, we should complicate the rules of football further to dissuade the less mentally developed from attending football matches... who knows!

You're right there, fans should be able to refrain from throwing objects at players. On the bright side though, nowadays most people throwing objects are banned. I just don't like how fans in England are pretty much confined to act like robots, being frequently checked, generally not being allowed flares. I remember our old "United > England" banner was removed because there was one complaint, one single complaint and the banner was taken down, it's just silly. Being told to sit down constantly, how can an electric atmosphere possibly be created while sitting down? It was nice to see the majority of the ground standing tonight throughout, that's how it should be. I remember being stood in the Stretford before with my mate, and some old clout behind us kept tapping us and demanding we sit down, he shouldn't have been in the Stretford End if he wanted to sit through the entire game. I just find all these regulations annoying nowadays, it seems as if the police and FA are so scared of such throwing incidents happening that they're almost over-policing the crowds.