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has anyone heard of the keeper kameni he looks really good. hopefullyfergie has seen him.
Ballack Profile.
Position Midfield
Date & place of birth 26 September 1976 in Görlitz
Star sign Libra
Nickname 'Balla'
Height/weight/shoe size 1.89 m / 80 kg / 9
Marital status single (partner Simone), 3 children (Louis, Emilio, Jordi)
Education Grammar school
Attributes honest, ambitious, sense of humour
Hobbies Golf, music, travel, movies, tennis
Motto "Don't take life too seriously!"
Previous clubs BSG Motor Fritz Heckert Karl-Marx-Stadt (83 – 86)
FC Karl-Marx-Stadt (86 – 90)
Chemnitzer FC (1990 – 97)
1. FC Kaiserslautern (1997 – 99)
Bayer 04 Leverkusen (1999 – 2002)
Date signed 1 July 2002
Contract until 30 June 2006
Career record World Cup runner-up 2002
German championship 1998, 2003
German Cup 2003
German Player of the Year 2002
Im sure Fergie has seen Kameni play, though i think fergie is already looking for a younger keeper (stoke keeper) and Van der Sar is only a short term replacement.
Phatmann
16-07-2005, 18:53
Sadly he won't sign him now, as he's already signed Van der Sar and looks almost certain to sign Ben Foster from Stoke. Then we have 3 1st team keepers and don't want another keeper challenging for a place. :eek:
EDIT: about Kameni (aimed at henryrules)
Guillermo
16-07-2005, 18:55
Ahh yes. Ben Foster - a certain first teamer. :mellow:
Phatmann
16-07-2005, 18:56
Ahh yes. Ben Foster - a certain first teamer. :mellow:
Well he is 22, he's hardly been bought to play in the reserves, plus I heard he's gonna be put on loan for 2 seasons then at 24 he'll be part of the 1st team.
Phatmann
16-07-2005, 19:20
By the way, does anyone know why Ronaldo didn't play today? cos I saw him on the bench next to fergie, so I imagined he'd come on :confused:
boro 4eva
16-07-2005, 19:26
By the way, does anyone know why Ronaldo didn't play today? cos I saw him on the bench next to fergie, so I imagined he'd come on :confused:
if it was only a pre-season friendly fergie might have been trying out other players and formations etc.
That's retiring from international football, not professional football. Scholes has already retired from international football and he's still playing well and has some years left in him.
I know.
Phatmann
17-07-2005, 01:49
I know.
So we might end up having him for 3 seasons and by then we would probably have found someone young to replace him.
AgentZero
17-07-2005, 04:19
we all hope ballacks lands in Manchester United sooner or later, whats the verdict are Bayern keen on releasing the player?
The latest on ballacks situation.
Bayern Munich midfielder Michael Ballack is being courted by Internazionale. (inter milan)
The Germany international's future is uncertain as he only has 12 months remaining on his contract at the Allianz Arena.
Ballack has refused to sign an extension and has hinted at a desire to leave Die Bundesliga after next year's World Cup in his homeland.
Reports in Italy claim that Inter are hoping to sign Ballack on a free transfer next summer and have already settled on a general accord with the 28-year-old.
Bayern's top brass are determined to cajole Ballack into signing a new contract and club president, and former Inter star, Karl-Heinz Rummenigge has added his voice to the debate.
"We hope to convince Ballack to sign the contract extension and stay with us," said Rummenigge.
"We know about his will to have new experiences. Me, too, at the age of 29 I chose a new experience in Italy.
"Bayern's plans are centred on Ballack and they are the same for the future, too. We will see."
Inter are ready to offer the former Bayer Leverkusen ace a three-year contract but could face competition from Manchester United.
The Red Devils have been strongly linked with the free-scoring Ballack with Sir Alex Ferguson keen to add an experienced midfielder to his squad.
Rumours suggest that United officials will meet their Bayern counterparts in Japan at the end of the month with both clubs playing pre-season friendlies in the capital Tokyo.
Ballack's agent Michael Becker could also be in the Far East for discussions but concedes he is not going to be embroiled in a protracted saga.
Becker told tz: "I am not going to go out there for a negotiation marathon."
Papa Lazarou
19-07-2005, 20:23
Just in case anyone wants to know. ITV 2 are showing all the mathces of Man Uniteds Asia tour starting with Hong Kong on saturday 5:25pm
please buy ballack fergie!
Papa Lazarou
19-07-2005, 20:45
please buy ballack fergie!
Hey man can i just ask what football team you support it's confusing cause your name is Henry rules, you have a Barca avatar and your begging Fergie to buy Ballack. That's 3 different teams!
so they will keep him away from bayern. i want to see all of the best players in the premiership.
Papa Lazarou
19-07-2005, 23:38
Man U beat Peterborough 6-0
3 for Ruud
2 for Ronaldo
1 for Rossi who was great in second half
7RONALDO7
19-07-2005, 23:53
Great match, watched it on Mutv and i found Rossi amazing, should play alot more games in the first team in the up and comming season, also Park looks a bit doggy but may just because it was his second game and he was nervous..time will tell.
glasto_god!
20-07-2005, 00:03
yeh, it would be a good signing to see ballack come to the theatre of dreams!
Phatmann
20-07-2005, 18:14
Notable mention goes to David Jones who I thought looked great in the 1st half. He hardly gave the ball away and was always looking to receive it. Rossi and Ruud looked great up front together and I agree Park didn't look that great, but hopefully that will all change at the beginning of the season.
Phatmann
20-07-2005, 18:50
Cantona in Glazer attack
Eric Cantona has launched an attack on Manchester United owner Malcolm Glazer.
The Frenchman has no time for the American following his controversial buy-out of the Old Trafford club.
"The only thing I can say is that I hope United will not lose the strong identity and philosophy of this club," he told Sky Sports News.
"I will be very sad if they lose it; they are so strong, stronger than him.
"United is not Chelsea with [Roman] Abramovich. They don't need one man. United is stronger than anybody in the world.
"Glazer, you ask me what I think about Glazer. I say to you what I think about him.
"I don't care about him. I don't need him. I need nobody."
Cantona achieved legendary status during his stint at United and is still worshipped by the Red Devils faithful.
Source (http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=292969&CPID=8&CLID=1&lid=&title=Cantona+in+Glazer+attack&channel=premiership)
Papa Lazarou
20-07-2005, 18:53
Cantona in Glazer attack
Cantona is a god!!
Phatmann
20-07-2005, 18:56
Also, some bad news: Ballack makes Bayern vow
Michael Ballack is confident he will be at Bayern Munich for the 2005/06 season and has intimated he will sign a new contract.
The Germany national team captain is a target for Internazionale and Manchester United and has just 12 months remaining on his present deal.
Bayern want to secure the midfielder on an extension but talks regarding an extension are progressing slow.
The snail's pace at which the negotiations are proceeding has prompted suggestions that Ballack could quit the Allianz Arena before the start of the new season.
But the 28-year-old has attempted to quell any notion of his departure by affirming his desire to play for the Bundesliga champions this term.
"We're all assuming that I'm going to be playing here at least until 2006," said Ballack. "That's why I'm here.
"Bayern have big aims. We want to defend the league championship as well as the German Cup and go far in the Champions League and I want to be part of that."
Bayern have already refuted rumours they will offer Ballack a €10 million yearly salary to keep him in Bavaria.
Ballack concedes that, with his contract expiring in 2006, he is in a strong position to dictate his future but hinted a new deal with Bayern is his likely course of action.
He added: "I'm in the good situation that I can choose.
"It's a very important decision for the club and for me and that's why it should be carefully considered.
"It could take a few days, a few weeks or perhaps a few months.
"But the possibility that I'll extend is high. I feel good here."
Source (http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=292957&CPID=22&CLID=1&lid=&title=Ballack+makes+Bayern+vow&channel=premiership)
Papa Lazarou
20-07-2005, 19:00
Bollocks.
If we can't get him then who the hell should we go for?? Everyones taken Van Bommel wen to Barca, Essien is goin 2 Chelsea, Baptista is stayin at Sevilla an now Ballack is stayin at Bayern Munich
Darth Daft
20-07-2005, 19:44
teach alan smith how to pass, job done.
theres always more players available, not just who everyone else is after, like that bloke from sporting lisbon for example, his name escapes me.
codename 47
21-07-2005, 13:46
Not really suprised by this as its more te english news papers making something out of nothing,he said he may be ready for a new challenge at a great european club so the sun newspaper comes up with the headline''ballack wants man utd move and nothing else''
And Bayern insist United have not made an offer for the Germany captain.
Ballack, 28, whose contract expires next year, said: "I'll be playing for Bayern until 2006. We're aiming high, and I want to be a part of it."
Bayern chairman Karl-Heinz Rummenigge added: "Ballack has a contract until 30 June, 2006. We won't be letting him go before then."
Chairman of Bayern's supervisory board, Franz Beckenbauer, is also keen to keep Ballack, but realises the player could consider his options.
"We would be really glad if he would stay here," Beckenbauer said.
"We would go up to our limits, but we know that his following contract would be his last big one. It is his right to get the best contract."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4703579.stm
Real want our Ryan.
There's talk of a swap deal involving Owen in exchange for Giggs plus cash. That's according to The Sun.
As for the Ballack situation, there's still a big chance we'll sign him when we meet with Bayern in the far east. It's a case of buying a world class midfielder or standing NO chance whatsoever of challenging for the Premiership.
Phatmann
21-07-2005, 19:31
Cristiano Ronaldo was a notable absentee as Manchester United jetted out to the Far East for their pre-season tour of Asia.
The Portugal international figured in the friendly win against Peterborough in midweek, scoring twice in a 6-0 rout, but is scheduled to link up with his team-mates a day late.
United explained he missed the flight for Hong Kong due to "family reasons" while captain Roy Keane, Wes Brown and Gabriel Heinze are either injured or resting.
Celta Vigo target Kleberson also boarded the plane despite Sir Alex Ferguson confirming The Red Devils were in discussions regarding a possible move to La Liga.
Several youngsters should get a chance to impress including keeper Luke Steele, defenders Gerard Pique and Phil Bardsley, midfielder David Jones plus exciting striking talent Giuseppe Rossi.
Chinese forward Dong Fangzou is in line to make his United bow during the tour, which opens with a game on Saturday morning against Hong Kong.
Source (http://footballmsn.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=293248&cpid=8&CLID=1&lid=&title=Ronaldo+misses+United+fl ight&channel=football_home)
Darth Daft
21-07-2005, 19:38
Yeah, Ronaldo's dad isnt well, dont think he'll last much longer. If i were in charge id let him miss the whole tour. Its unimportant and youve got Park and Fangzou there for the girlies and shirt lovers.
Looks like Ballack aint on the cards no more then, ah well, screw him, we are still going to have a f*cking great season IMO. Think we've got the best first 11 in the prem, and the 2nd best squad. Just need to produce the results that statement deserves unlike last season.
Phatmann
21-07-2005, 19:41
Yeah, Ronaldo's dad isnt well, dont think he'll last much longer. If i were in charge id let him miss the whole tour. Its unimportant and youve got Park and Fangzou there for the girlies and shirt lovers.
Looks like Ballack aint on the cards no more then, ah well, screw him, we are still going to have a f*cking great season IMO. Think we've got the best first 11 in the prem, and the 2nd best squad. Just need to produce the results that statement deserves unlike last season.
Yeah to be honest I think we are capable of doing really well next season with our current squad and I don't thinkl it'd be worth getting another midfielder. However, I wouldn't complain if we did get ballack.
normanthecat2
21-07-2005, 19:54
Manunited Rule
Darth Daft
21-07-2005, 20:25
Indeed we do.
I feel a new avatar sig combo coming on, on one hand ive got some gooners (and ex gooners :D ) and on the other, ive got a greedy bastard.
Manunited Rulethank you for that brillant contribution once again
normanthecat2
21-07-2005, 20:41
Thats Ok Do U Think Man Uwill Win The League This Season Coming
Phatmann
21-07-2005, 20:43
Why hasn't this guy been banned yet? :confused:
normanthecat2
21-07-2005, 20:46
Ooooo Sory I Didnt Realise I Was Doing Anythink Wrong Im Sory If I Did I Wont Do It Again
o0oGedo0o
21-07-2005, 21:09
little something for the manu fans, i kinda like it hope you like it too
http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/6431/25ct.th.jpg (http://img312.imageshack.us/my.php?image=25ct.jpg)
normanthecat2
21-07-2005, 21:16
yea it cool
Darth Daft
21-07-2005, 22:32
little something for the manu fans, i kinda like it hope you like it too
http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/6431/25ct.th.jpg (http://img312.imageshack.us/my.php?image=25ct.jpg)
not bad man, even got some 'trad bricks' in there. Wheres the crowd shot from?
o0oGedo0o
21-07-2005, 22:52
i searched for a decent crowd picture in google, searched for: manchester fans
Hong Kong 0 Man Utd 2
ROOKIE scorers Giuseppe Rossi and Dong Fangzhou outshone Manchester United's misfiring main strikers as new midfield revelation Alan Smith inspired victory in this tour opener.
American-born teenager Rossi tapped the opener, before Chinese wonderkid Dong streaked away for a superb second.
Rossi was prolific for United's all-conquering reserves a year ago, but Dong must stay with feeder club Royal Antwerp while he fights to get a UK work permit.
Ruud van Nistelrooy and especially Louis Saha again wasted regular chances.
But United boss Alex Ferguson preferred to praise their young rivals and Smith's continuing influence in his deeper role.
Fergie said: "It is always pleasing when young players come out of the academy system and show great potential because Manchester United's history is about producing your own.
"Giuseppe has been with us a year. He is very calm in the box and really takes his time, which not everyone can do.
"Dong has improved greatly since the last time I saw him. He is a strong boy, very athletic and quick and took his goal well.
"They both have the temperament to play on this stage and most importantly, the temperament to play with older players."
Fergie claims it is vital Dong is allowed to play at Old Trafford as soon as possible.
He said: "It would be the best thing for his continuity in coaching."
Skipper Roy Keane is missing United's Far East trip through injury.
But Fergie said of his surprise replacement Smith: "Alan was superb.
"There was a great spirit about the team.
"He kept encouraging and cajoling the rest of the team and overall put in a very good performance."
"We created a lot of chances in the first half, played some good football and should have scored.
"Rossi got the breakthrough we were looking for and then Dong took his chance very well.
"He showed a great turn of speed and a lot of composure in his finishing. Overall, it was very promising."
tom pain
23-07-2005, 18:13
I saw somewhere that Manchester United v Hong Kong set the record for highest attendacen at a Hong Kong football match:
http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/53275927.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2399169AC85D6DE5CC12330 C0B846081CC79596C277734767F8FD A3DF66B0D1
I saw somewhere that Manchester United v Hong Kong set the record for highest attendacen at a Hong Kong football match:
http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/53275927.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2399169AC85D6DE5CC12330 C0B846081CC79596C277734767F8FD A3DF66B0D1
:lol: oh dear...
AgentZero
23-07-2005, 22:42
Anyone favours smudgers new position?....i think he'll become a brilliant dmf...stil a bit raggedy here and there but a few pointers from keano should do him well
Darth Daft
25-07-2005, 17:10
Smith in DMF, nah, never happen.
Then i actually watched him play there a few times, and how it looks like hes found a home. He can tackle, he can pass, and he can run. Oh, and he aint too bad at shootin either. :)
Perfect, who needs bollock?
Must say Ruud looked a bit turd though needs to buck his ideas up or he'll be sold i reckon, Rooney was excellent, and Park, hmmm, very energetic. Rossi i knew was mustard anyway, his goal werent anything special (for once).
King Dongs goal was well taken, and he looked capable, but surely still the shirt seller while Park is more the real thing.
Hard to tell when theyre playing Hong Kong though it has to be said.
Papa Lazarou
25-07-2005, 17:12
I think that Smith looked very goodin DMF and i was impressed with Park and Jones. I can't wait for the next match (Tuesday ITV2 in case ya didnt know)
The match on tuesday is live on ITv2?
Anyway i hear man utd are keeping tabs on miguel as his contract is expiring soon and he plays RB and juventus are interested in him aswell.
Papa Lazarou
25-07-2005, 17:23
The match on tuesday is live on ITv2?
Anyway i hear man utd are keeping tabs on miguel as his contract is expiring soon and he plays RB and juventus are interested in him aswell.
The pre-season matches are all live on ITV2
thew times i know are
Tuesday 26th July at 7:00pm ITV 2
Thursday 28th July at 7:00pm ITV 2
Phatmann
25-07-2005, 20:24
That isn't live by the way, MUTV has it live at 12:30pm tomorrow and thursdays game is at about 11am on MUTV.
Papa Lazarou
25-07-2005, 20:26
That isn't live by the way, MUTV has it live at 12:30pm tomorrow and thursdays game is at about 11am on MUTV.
Oh sorry man...but it's still the full matches on ITV2
i'm just trying to be helpful
Phatmann
25-07-2005, 20:32
Oh sorry man...but it's still the full matches on ITV2
i'm just trying to be helpful
yeah I know, just making sure people who have MUTV have a chance to watch it live, and people don't wonder whats going on when they see the score on sky sports :)
I am getting MUTV for my birthday, which is less than two weeks away.
I have checked the site and it says it is £6 a month, and I've added that up and it totals £72 for a whole season. But you can buy an Annual package and pay for it all in one go which I would prefer, I was wondering if you get a few quid off if paying it all in one sum ?
Also on MUTV, lets say United are playing a normal Premiership match on Saturday against Blackburn or anyone else. And its not broadcasted on SkySports or PremPlus, would all these Saturday matches and Sunday matches be Live on MUTV ?
Phatmann
25-07-2005, 23:25
I am getting MUTV for my birthday, which is less than two weeks away.
I have checked the site and it says it is £6 a month, and I've added that up and it totals £72 for a whole season. But you can buy an Annual package and pay for it all in one go which I would prefer, I was wondering if you get a few quid off if paying it all in one sum ?
Also on MUTV, lets say United are playing a normal Premiership match on Saturday against Blackburn or anyone else. And its not broadcasted on SkySports or PremPlus, would all these Saturday matches and Sunday matches be Live on MUTV ?
Sadly, MUTV can't show live prem matches, but they replay the game a day later (in full), and also, MUTV is a great channel and well worth getting.
Darth Daft
25-07-2005, 23:38
I am getting MUTV for my birthday, which is less than two weeks away.
I have checked the site and it says it is £6 a month, and I've added that up and it totals £72 for a whole season. But you can buy an Annual package and pay for it all in one go which I would prefer, I was wondering if you get a few quid off if paying it all in one sum ?
Also on MUTV, lets say United are playing a normal Premiership match on Saturday against Blackburn or anyone else. And its not broadcasted on SkySports or PremPlus, would all these Saturday matches and Sunday matches be Live on MUTV ?
Sadly, MUTV can't show live prem matches, but they replay the game a day later (in full), and also, MUTV is a great channel and well worth getting.
*Bangs head violently on desk :angry:
sorry about that, so erm, not doing the boycott chaps?
That really is bad news to hear, that was a main attraction for me to get MUTV.
We're paying about £70 a year, why the fuck can't we watch our teams matches Live on our teams channel!!
I could watch 30 minute highlights on Match of the Day on the very same night. I wouldn't have to wait a whole day, I really don't like watching matches unless they're Live. It spoils the atmosphere and joy if they are recorded and lets say in this case a day overdue.
Outrage I say!
Ive always considered getting MUtv,Ive always caught it when they give you a couple of days of it free.I think it'd be worth getting to see every match bar the premiership ones live!
As for Smith in DMF,im supporting him,Im a big fan of his,bit of an idol to me.Love his determination when he plays,something needed for that DMF position!Ive not seen him play there but ive heard from reports and stuff thats hes done very well and put it this way if he plays there,he'll get a lot more games this season :D
Just to clarify! What time will the game be on 2moro in the UK?
NikE
AgentZero
26-07-2005, 06:10
yeah thought so, smithy gots fire in the belly.....good captain material
Keane to be replaced by Smith?
Yeah, he was unlucky last season, but what exactly do they have in common other than agression?
Juan gerard
26-07-2005, 11:06
*Bangs head violently on desk :angry:
sorry about that, so erm, not doing the boycott chaps?
yeah i was wondering that, if no-one one is boycotting how is anything going to get solved!!!!!
Beijing 0-3 Man Utd
Manchester United succeeded where Real Madrid failed in Beijing by giving the Chinese supporters a night to remember.
In contrast to Real's badly received visit last weekend, United had been the perfect guests - at least until Paul Scholes struck twice and Park Ji-sung added another to give Sir Alex Ferguson's men a deserved win.
It allows the Red Devils to board their flight to Tokyo tomorrow morning in relaxed mood, knowing they have still not conceded a goal in a 100% start to their pre-season campaign, even if there are bigger battles to fight on and off the pitch.
That the Workers' Stadium was not even half full at kick-off must have been a worry to watching director Bryan Glazer, whose father has invested £790million in the club on the basis of their worldwide support.
While it is possible some supporters may have been deterred from attending by Real Madrid's apathetic attitude, ticket prices were much lower for the visit of United.
The Chinese public are starting to get more discerning in their attitude to visiting teams and there is clearly plenty of work for the Glazers and chief executive David Gill to do if the Red Devils are to make the kind of money the new owner thinks they are capable of.
In Cristiano Ronaldo, though, they do have a new talisman for the enthusiastic Asian supporters to latch on to.
On their last trip to this part of the world, United had a marketing phenomenon in their ranks in David Beckham.
The England skipper's absence was one of the major reasons for the Beijing public's discontent with Real, so finding someone in the Old Trafford ranks to rival him is no easy task.
Wayne Rooney might have the ability but it is Ronaldo, with his sublime skills, superb balance and olive skin who has been sprinkled with stardust.
The Portugal international was a late arrival on tour after being allowed to return home on compassionate grounds last week to visit his ill father.
But he wasted little time in making an impact after his introduction as a half-time substitute, dancing past two defenders on a searing right-wing raid before looping a cross to the far post which dropped perfectly for Park, who nodded home.
The effort effectively sealed the game given Scholes' earlier efforts and should have allowed them to coast home.
Instead, mindful of the need to impress their hosts, they maintained their competitive edge, an attitude made easier by Beijing's wholehearted tackling.
Predictably, Ruud van Nistelrooy was one of the victims, his angry reaction to Zhang Shuai's crude lunge from behind prompting Ferguson to bring him off.
The incident, which followed up a similar spat in Hong Kong on Saturday, finished off another bad night for the Dutchman, so desperate to recapture the form of his first three seasons at United.
At the weekend, van Nistelrooy was guilty of two glaring misses and today he added another blunder to his unhappy list.
Superbly set up by Rooney, who slid an excellent ball into the area to put van Nistelrooy clean through, the striker steadied himself, then lashed a miserable effort wide of the Beijing goal.
With just a fortnight to go before United enter the hazardous Champions League qualifiers, it was not the type of thing van Nistelrooy wanted to see.
Neither, presumably, will he want to watch many more of the rash challenges which saw Alan Smith cautioned midway through the opening period. Chinese national captain Tao Wei was the victim of a clattering from behind.
Cited as a potential central midfield successor to Roy Keane by his manager yesterday, Smith's tackle was reminiscent of the Irishman on one of his darker days.
More pleasing to Ferguson's eye will be the sight of Scholes scoring, especially in such predatory fashion.
His first effort, a glancing near-post header from Darren Fletcher's cross, was a replica of many seen down the years. His second came courtesy of Ruud van Nistelrooy's volley which landed at his feet and presented him with the easiest of finishes.
Ferguson decided his midfield inspiration had done enough and took the opportunity to bring on Ronaldo. Sitting in the stands with his marketing hat on, it was just what Bryan Glazer wanted to see.
Park off the mark!! :cool:
Papa Lazarou
26-07-2005, 15:41
DUDE!! why did you post the result??? I wanted to not know it and then be excited with the match!!
Oh my bad, still its only a friendly. I heard ruud van was being fouled left right and center. Eventhough you know the score, i heard it was a brutal match.
Who man utd playing in Cl qualifiers?
7RONALDO7
26-07-2005, 15:55
Oh my bad, still its only a friendly. I heard ruud van was being fouled left right and center. Eventhough you know the score, i heard it was a brutal match.
Who man utd playing in Cl qualifiers?
The Draw is on Friday
im not a man united fan but please Beat morhinio to the cup ether liverpool man united not the gunners just beat morhinio
Papa Lazarou
26-07-2005, 16:04
im not a man united fan but please Beat morhinio to the cup ether liverpool man united not the gunners just beat morhinio
I hear that my friend. As long as Arsenal or Chelsea don't win it then i'm not too bothered. i mean i want Man U to win more than anything
Thanks didnt know draw was on friday.
But on ballack news.
Man Utd alerted as Bayern Munich prepare Ballack sale
tribalfootball.com - July 26, 2005
Manchester United and Real Madrid are set to do battle over Bayern Munich midfielder Michael Ballack.
Bayern could sell Ballack rather than be held to ransom over a new contract. They will have talks later this week with the German skipper who has been linked with Manchester United and Real Madrid.
Bayern general manager Uli Hoeness admits they may be unable to meet Ballack's £6.9million a year wage demands.
United are well in the frame to land Ballack, with Real Madrid refusing to go higher than £7 million for the midfielder, who is now inside the final year of his current contract.
Munich general manager Uli Hoeness said: "It can always come to the point where we have to say, 'no'."
Papa Lazarou
26-07-2005, 16:09
Come On Fergie Just Go For It!!
But Ballack demands £6.9M a year!!
let him he is a class player
Gun_Runner
26-07-2005, 16:20
yeh Ballack has a big ego and although he is a great player,..he thinks hes it..I would never pay him nearly £7Million a year...thats ridiculous, but he is a good player and would be a great signing
MAN UNITED SHOULD BUY HIM IF THEY DONT THEY WILL HAVE A GREAT LOSS dont matter about the money
Gun_Runner
26-07-2005, 16:26
dont matter about the money? are you a fool...of course money matters...that statement you just made makes you seem like a 5 year old. just a stupid comment.
but man united can afford the money dont see the problem
and it is not a stupid comment
To an extent money is the issue, but like someone mentioned earlier in this thread its a simple case of do man utd want to win the premiership?. If they do then they need to buy an expereinced player like ballack, if not him then someone like riquelme or Rosicky. But chairman of bayer munich said that i want ballack to stay until 2006, but we wont break the bank to keep him.
But i got a feeling some other big club will get ballack, if man utd dont act quickly.
Papa Lazarou
26-07-2005, 16:35
But i got a feeling some other big club will get ballack, if man utd dont act quickly.
exactly that's why we have to act QUICKLY
Juan gerard
27-07-2005, 10:33
about the game yesterday, it was a disgrace, a friendly is supposed to be about playing football, not fouling and defending. it was so boring to watch cos we would get 20 yards into their half and be met by a wall of players!!!! it was so fustrating, me i would have dived into someones face, they wouldnt kick and dive then would they!! smith did well but no-one else got a chance to shine because it wasnt a football game. dont want to go there again
about the game yesterday, it was a disgrace, a friendly is supposed to be about playing football, not fouling and defending. it was so boring to watch cos we would get 20 yards into their half and be met by a wall of players!!!! it was so fustrating, me i would have dived into someones face, they wouldnt kick and dive then would they!! smith did well but no-one else got a chance to shine because it wasnt a football game. dont want to go there again
Every match has fouling at some point and as for 'their wall of defenders' I wouldn't complain because we knocked 3 past them.
I didn't see the problem with the fouling, just because its a friendly doesn't mean they shouldn't get stuck in. Where else are they going to practise this before the season, can't go in rough on the training ground.
Wasn't as frustrating as your making it out to be either. And no you wouldn't have 'dived' into someones face, simple fact you would never be playing first team football for Manchester United.
And as for you not wanting to go there again, I thought you'd be knackered after the flight back. :laugh:
Juan gerard
27-07-2005, 12:26
no i dont have a problem with fouling, but i`d like to see football not the persistant fouling that went on. about the flight and playing for united youre i right ive got 3 left feet
chris248
27-07-2005, 12:41
in the game yesterday it was very heated and a couple of players in particular van nistelrooy were sliding in all over the place.
however not a bad pre season performance, smith and fletcher played well in midfield. rooney needs to play a more advanced role if he is to start scoring more regularly, this could also help ruud with scoring as well
7RONALDO7
27-07-2005, 14:03
But i got a feeling some other big club will get ballack, if man utd dont act quickly.
Real Madrid want him and knowing united, they will probally get him, such as ronaldinho and robben
Juan gerard
28-07-2005, 09:54
we never seem to bid enough, with ronnie and robben we would be far better, but probably not have ronaldo:( Come on fergie, sign ballack or mascherano
We are fine as we are in my opinion, yes Ballack would maybe help us and strengthen our squad a bit. But in my opinion he is not entirely needed.
Smith now a CM, and shaping up damn well there too. Scholes still has years left in him no doubt, at least 3 I think. Giggs could do with a replacement maybe but he seems to be doing alright, we have Park now also to help the situation.
So I say we should keep the funds and use it more wisely on a player which is enitrely needed.
Manchester United crashed to an embarrassing defeat in the latest leg of their Asian tour as Kashima Antlers recorded a merited 2-1 victory.
Minor earthquakes in the area failed to unsettle the J-League leaders and Masashi Motoyama, in particular, who struck two beautiful left-footed goals past Tim Howard.
Ryan Giggs's early effort was all United could muster in response, despite bringing big guns Ruud van Nistelrooy, Wayne Rooney and Alan Smith into the fray in the second half.
With only five minutes on the clock, Phil Neville misjudged a crossfield pass and Motoyama pounced in emphatic fashion, lashing a superb volley past Howard's despairing dive.
It took only three minutes for United to reply as Louis Saha fed Cristiano Ronaldo and the Portuguese winger's inviting cross was tucked in at the far post by Giggs.
Motoyama displayed his class again to restore Antlers' advantage as he collected a neat touch from Mitsuo Ogasawara and despatched an unerring finish into the back of the net.
Howard needed to pull off a great save from Takayuki Suzuki but United also spurned first half openings through Saha and Ronaldo.
After the break, Kleberson went close after a neat turn and Rooney had several efforts off target. Van Nistelrooy shot tamely from a Rooney tee-up and Ronaldo somehow headed wide at the far post after fine work from Kleberson.
Motoyama had two great attempts in a bid to seal his hat-trick but the most noteworthy effort came late on as Park Ji-Sung contrived to blaze over van Nistelrooy's clever back-heel. The Korean was injured soon afterwards, receiving a cut to his head, when passing up another opportunity.
It all turned ugly for United at the end; van Nistelrooy needlessly kneeing his marker in an off-the-ball incident and then becoming embroiled in a furious bust-up with Rio Ferdinand after the final whistle.
The two stars were arguing with each other, seemingly after Ferdinand accused the striker of failing to show for the ball in the closing stages.
I watched this game. Nislterooy pulled a really foul move on that defender in the end.
Park missed such an easy one as well and i dont know why people hate Ronaldo when he is obviously one of the best wingers on the planet. Saha showed great skill as well.
mehul_98
28-07-2005, 15:01
jus the same ol problem we cant finish our chances:(
i didnt quite get why rio and ruud were arguein but its exagerated in that article i was watchin the match and it werent that bad, they make it sound like they were ready to scrap it was ur standard complainin arguement thing nuthin serious i dont think
either way fergie shud slap em both round the ear they actin like pricks
another thing they sed that the foul by nistelrooy at the end was needless like it was unprovoked the guy for antlers was holdin ruud bak like crazy by his neck and shoulder so i can see why ruud did it, stupid thing to do in a friendly i dont condone it but i can understand why he did it
Yea the two stars were arguing with each other, seemingly after Ferdinand accused the striker (ruud) of failing to show for the ball in the closing stages. Cant believe park missed an easy chance, so did ronaldo aswell.Miller played shite, so did park.
mehul_98
28-07-2005, 15:18
"failing to show for the ball"
call me stupid if ya want but wat does that mean? does it mean he jus didnt perform wen he did have the ball??
and yeah i agree park did have a shitty match, my grandma would have finished that chance wat he missed, but that cut on his head lukd quite bad i hope its nuthin serious!
ronaldo had an alright match i thought its jus that he never got the finish to his moves he can start off well dash right to end and then he'll put in a blind cross in the box, his header was quite a bad miss i thought it was in at first then i luked again!
"failing to show for the ball"
call me stupid if ya want but wat does that mean? does it mean he jus didnt perform wen he did have the ball??
It means that wasn't creating space for players to pass to him and that he just didn't seem to want the ball.
mehul_98
28-07-2005, 15:35
ohhhh seen i get it, i guess i can sort of agree but i think that was more down to the antlers jus man markin him with 2 players!
i know Darth will probably have this.... me mother told me Rooney scored a wonder-strike.... wouldnt mind getting a glimpse
Phatmann
31-07-2005, 11:30
i know Darth will probably have this.... me mother told me Rooney scored a wonder-strike.... wouldnt mind getting a glimpse
It should be on www.soccerclips.net soon, as they have all the other goals from Man U's Asia tour.
It should be on www.soccerclips.net soon, as they have all the other goals from Man U's Asia tour.thanx mate
Darth Daft
31-07-2005, 13:19
anyone ever been to Hadjuk Split or Debrecen?
Weighing up going for the qualifiers and just wondered what the places were like.
Always attempt to go to the Euro aways and ive got a niggly feeling that this might be as far as united go this year :(
Of course if we're guaranteed Barcelona or Prague in the groups ill save me dosh for there :)
Always attempt to go to the Euro aways and ive got a niggly feeling that this might be as far as united go this year :(
:lol:
Seriously doubt thats gonna happen! We aint that bad!
More news on Owen and Ballack below!
Fergie Grabs Owen
Manchester United want to rescue Michael Owen from Real Madrid. Manager Sir Alex Ferguson has told the Glazer family, the new owners at Old Trafford, that he wants to cut a deal for Owen. The England striker is available if United meet the £11million buy-out clause in Owen's contract. But the Glazers have made it clear they expect Fergie to raise funds by selling his own misfits from Old Trafford.
Simon Mullock, Sunday Mirror
Ballack's To You Fergie
Sir Alex Ferguson has started his move for German superstar Michael Ballack. And Fergie is confident the 29-year-old Bayern Munich midfielder will be a Manchester United player before the start of the Premiership season. I can reveal that United have decided to make the pursuit of the £9million Bayern Munich star their top priority.
Steve Bates, Sunday People
Will it happen? Im thinking we'll at least get one of them! Thinking Owen'll go back to liverpool though!
NikE
Lord Shrimpeh
31-07-2005, 16:39
I don't think Owen will go back to Liverpool, they have already bought crappy Crouch for £7 million, plus are finding it difficult to offload Baros. I heard they were looking at a midfielder and defender. I think buying Owen for four million more than they sold him would be a bit of a bad PR move ;)
We have enough strikers as it is though so its either liverpool or the bench lol, but i reckon we could possibly be seeing Ballack in red before the start of the season!
NikE
Owen won't be heading to Old Trafford simply i feel because you have enough striking options already and i can't see him or Van Nistelrooy being happy warming the bench as Fergie surely can't leave out the most exciting talent in world football
I said ages ago a source told me that Owen would be well up for a move to Old Trafford, and honestly... don't be surprised. I know Owen would consider a move to say the least, and if Fergie is interested in him there's no reason why he wont come.
Saha is fairly certain to go on a season-long loan, with Fullham, Everton or a French club the likely destinations. I can see Smudger being played everywhere except striker next season too, and whilst his versatility is very useful, he isn't a good enough central midfielder to replace Keane.
I would be hesitant to pay £11 million for Owen though, basically because I've always thought he was a fairly average striker. But hell... a natural goal scorer is exactly what we need.
If we buy Owen and Ballack I'll be a lot more confident going into next season.
7RONALDO7
31-07-2005, 17:23
Owen won't be heading to Old Trafford simply i feel because you have enough striking options already and i can't see him or Van Nistelrooy being happy warming the bench as Fergie surely can't leave out the most exciting talent in world football
Smith is now in midfield, therefore we have 3 strikers and SAF always wants 4 strikers, so Owen would be the 4th.
Harry-Kewell
31-07-2005, 17:27
Smith is now in midfield, therefore we have 3 strikers and SAF always wants 4 strikers, so Owen would be the 4th.
Don’t be greedy. You have David Bellion.
Elhombrebala
31-07-2005, 18:02
Owen isn't going to sit on the bench at Manchester, he would rather stay at Madrid or go to another club were he will be first choice.
He wont sit on the bench at United.
Owen isn't going to sit on the bench at Manchester, he would rather stay at Madrid or go to another club were he will be first choice.
:lol:
Why would he wanna stay at madrid and keep their bench warm?? Makes no sense! He will surely be back in the premiership sometime in the near future!
NikE
o0oGedo0o
31-07-2005, 20:36
hey guys tell me what you think?
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7809/untitled2copy6co.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled2copy6co. jpg)
Juan gerard
31-07-2005, 20:46
what is it? and why is c*** on it? he doesnt deserve to be a united player.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO not owen pleeeeeeeeeease, i would prefer saha! ballack and a defender, kompany will be fine!
o0oGedo0o
31-07-2005, 20:47
ballack is out of reach he's "offering" himself to madrid for the second time, he's like a prostitute
ballack is out of reach he's "offering" himself to madrid for the second time, he's like a prostitute
Link?
o0oGedo0o
31-07-2005, 21:46
i saw it 2 days ago on al jazeera sports channel, it should be right.
I am a huge Ballack fan and would luv to see him at united but i cant see it happening
Phatmann
31-07-2005, 22:09
hey guys tell me what you think?
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7809/untitled2copy6co.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled2copy6co. jpg)
Nice stuff Gedo :) Looks great.
Latest rumours I heard man utd will sell louis saha, P.neville to Boro, and also sell kleberson. But I don’t see how £11 Million is going to be raised for Owen by selling those three players.
Real 'will allow Owen to leave'
Owen faces more competition for a starting place up front at Real
Real Madrid are ready to open the door for England striker Michael Owen to return to the Premiership.
Manchester United are set to head the race with an £11m bid for Owen, according to reports.
Owen has been pushed down the pecking order at the Spanish giants following the arrival of Brazilians Robinho and Julio Baptista.
Owen's former club Liverpool, Arsenal and Newcastle have also been linked with the 25-year-old forward.
A senior source at Real told the Sunday Times they would not stand in Owen's way if they received a bid for him.
The source said: "Michael is popular with the fans and he is popular within the club.
"But if he comes to us and says he believes the best thing for him is to leave, we will have to respect that.
"He has been a great servant to us, we will treat him with the utmost decency and respect.
We have not made a bid for Michael Owen - I am not looking for a striker said Arsene Wenger .
"And in the event that he decides to go, while obviously looking out for our own interests, we will be sure to look out for his too."
Despite scoring 16 goals in his first season at Real following his move from Liverpool, Owen spent many games on the bench.
And with the World Cup less than a year away, he could decide to move on rather than face the prospect of fighting for a place with Raul, Ronaldo, Robinho and Baptista.
A transfer to Manchester United would bring Owen together with his England strike partner Wayne Rooney, although it would prove unpopular with Liverpool fans.
Ferguson might have to sell players to finance the move, with midfielders Phil Neville and Kleberson possible candidates along with striker Louis Saha.
But Arsene Wenger distanced himself from a move for Owen when asked about the subject after Arsenal's friendly win over Porto in Amsterdam.
"We have not made a bid for Michael Owen," Wenger said. "At the moment I am not looking for a striker but there are other areas I am looking at."
The £7m arrival of Peter Crouch at Liverpool makes it unlikely manager Rafael Benitez would consider taking Owen back to Merseyside.
Newcastle are in the market for a striker, but they cannot offer Owen Champions League football.
Real are unlikely to get ballack because ballacks agent has been offering his player to real, and real feel it is a ploy just to get more money out of Bayern Munich.
Papa Lazarou
01-08-2005, 01:50
I think that if we could get Owen at a cut-price deal of £7 million then we should go for him and move Smith into midfield (where he has looked solid).
However this poses the problem of what striker misses out and if we use the 4-3-3 formation what strikers miss out because i'm sure we will use C.Ronaldo and Park on the wings which only leaves on central forward position left.
Owen is worth more than £7 million Papa, what are you talking about cut-price?
Come on Owen! You know you want to! Who care's if you have Pool ties!:unsure:
Harry-Kewell
01-08-2005, 16:59
Well, we don't want him. Wenger doesn't want him. Chelsea have Crespo back. I think he may have to opt for Utd.
Man utd have been given £12 million to go get owen, and the independent reckon man utd are 40% likely to get owen. Newcastle are ready to get viduka, boa morte and anelka. So there not interested either are arsenal or liverpool, it just leaves man utd then. Also i hope man utd dont spend £32 million on essien aswell, its deadline day today for whoever wants essien. But say Baros goes to schalke, liverpool will need a decent fourth striker?
If he (Ferguson) identifies a talent that he thinks will improve the squad the funds are available said Man Utd's chief executive David Gill.
Harry-Kewell
01-08-2005, 17:17
But say Baros goes to schalke, liverpool will need a decent fourth striker?
Rafa was asked if he was after another attacker today, but he said he’s happy with the set of strikers that he currently has.
Excluding Baros, we still have 5 strikers. Crouch, Morientes, Cisse, Mellor and Pongolle. Le Tallec, Garcia and Kewell can play in the support striker role as well. So can Stevie G.
Guillermo
01-08-2005, 17:34
I don't want Owen. Thought I'd get it off my chest.
Check my signature, his record is good. Why dont you want owen?he scored more goals then all of man utd's strikers, he has a better finishing record then all of man utd's strikers aswell. I would be happy to get rid of saha and get owen.
I don't want Owen. Thought I'd get it off my chest.
Sure you don't, Fergie does though.
Guillermo
01-08-2005, 17:45
Sure you don't, Fergie does though.
:(
Owen might be a natural goalscorer, and we need to score more goals, but we need a MIDFIELDER not a striker.
Still no sign of a replacement midfielder for Keano. No Ballack, no Gattusso and we didn't even bother going for Gerrard. We could have afforded £13 million for Vieira. I know he's a cunt, but he was a good player, and it'd be a kick in the Arse.
The ballack situation is still running, so dont lose hope just yet, man utd have smith to replace keane now.
The ballack situation is still running, so dont lose hope just yet, man utd have smith to replace keane now.
Oh come on. Smith is nowhere near good enough to be a long term replacement for Keane.
In fact, what do they even have in common except for aggression?
I'll be the first to admit that Smith was excellent at the start of last season, and he always gave his all for United, but he's not good enough to step into the shoes of Keane and he never will be.
what else can smithy do Akineye, of course theres never gonna be another Roy Keane but Smiths the closest to him that we have available
what else can smithy do Akineye, of course theres never gonna be another Roy Keane but Smiths the closest to him that we have available
He's not good enough to replace Keane, end of.
There's midfielders with far more ability who would do a much better job in the centre of the park than Smudger. We're not going to realistically challenge a team with an endless transfer budget fielding a midfield of players who try hard but just don't have the quality to finish as champions.
Darth Daft
01-08-2005, 20:09
smith has looked good in midfield, however if ballack becomes available, we should steam in there and stop fannying around owen.
Owens quality but a swap for saha? Saha doesnt play, that means that owen wouldnt play, or as is more likely, we'd ship Ruud out. And that cant happen.
Ole still has time to come back, and we've got Rossi whos coming along well, Owen is a cherry we dont need on our cake. Especially if SAF wakes up and goes back to 4-4-2 there definately wont be room for him.
But sadly, i reckon we'll buy him regardless and lose a quality player because of it. And lose out on Ballack. :angry:
Owen had a similar role to Saha's at Real. Still managed to be consistant.
Signing him would be a good idea, as Essien can then be lured in with a Saha swap and abit of dosh upfront, Lyon seem to fancy him.
Yea i totally agree Man utd should first buy micheal ballack as a striker is not really need as of yet. However if the price is right man utd should get owen, it can only be a good thing. Re: Essien he is meeting Roman Abrahimovic later on this evening to finalise a deal so i doubt man utd will get him.
7RONALDO7
01-08-2005, 20:36
If we get Owen and Ballack, we cannot make everyone happy.....cannot play 3 up-front as people in midfield will lose out i.e:Keane, Giggs, Scholes, Park and if we play 2 up-front, 2 other class strikers will lose out i.e: Saha Rooney/Rudd
Is that news even official of Essien having talks with Abramovich? Or is it some minor rumour?
"I'll be playing for Bayern until 2006. We're aiming high, and I want to be a part of it."
No chance.
United have signed a 'gentelman's agreement' with Bayern over Ballack apparently, which basically says he's coming to Old Trafford next year. It's £10 million cheaper, but includes the risk that scum like Chelski could try and hijack the deal next year...
On the bright side, the giant Gill says the £10 million will be spent on other areas of the squad. Maybe we will have ONE promising central midfielder by the time the new season starts.
Oh, and according to the papers this morning we're not buying Owen because of his £5 million-a-year wages.
Papa Lazarou
02-08-2005, 13:39
United have signed a 'gentelman's agreement' with Bayern over Ballack apparently, which basically says he's coming to Old Trafford next year. It's £10 million cheaper, but includes the risk that scum like Chelski could try and hijack the deal next year...
On the bright side, the giant Gill says the £10 million will be spent on other areas of the squad. Maybe we will have ONE promising central midfielder by the time the new season starts.
Oh, and according to the papers this morning we're not buying Owen because of his £5 million-a-year wages.
Where's the source for this?
If we don't buy Ballack this year then who do we buy? I don't think Essien is worth the huge amounts of money that are mentioned. I think he's a risk because he could just turn out to be another Djemba-Djemba
Where's the source for this?
If we don't buy Ballack this year then who do we buy? I don't think Essien is worth the huge amounts of money that are mentioned. I think he's a risk because he could just turn out to be another Djemba-Djemba
In the broadsheets this morning.
And yes, Essien is not worth more than £20 million.
United have signed a 'gentelman's agreement' with Bayern over Ballack apparently, which basically says he's coming to Old Trafford next year. It's £10 million cheaper, but includes the risk that scum like Chelski could try and hijack the deal next year...
Thats strange because this morning i think sky sports spoke to ballacks agent and he said there was no gentelemans agreement and the only club ballack is talking to is Bayern munich, and there waiting for his signature to pen a new deal. And also man utd will have Rio signing a new deal, in the next two weeks according to reports. Balllack wants like £7 million a year in wages.
Thats strange because this morning i think sky sports spoke to ballacks agent and he said there was no gentelemans agreement and the only club ballack is talking to is Bayern munich, and there waiting for his signature to pen a new deal. And also man utd will have Rio signing a new deal, in the next two weeks according to reports. Balllack wants like £7 million a year in wages.
This is just what's reported in most of the papers this morning.
I even dug up a link cause I'm nice like that.
http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,1563,1540850,00.html?gusrc=r ss
This is just what's reported in most of the papers this morning.
I even dug up a link cause I'm nice like that.
http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,1563,1540850,00.html?gusrc=r ss
Thanks good read.
This what i heard-:
Bayern Munich have confirmed they have held talks with Manchester United, but not over Germany international midfielder Michael Ballack.
The Red Devils have been linked with the 29-year-old with Kleberson tipped to leave Old Trafford while Roy Keane is nearing the end of his illustrious career.
Bayern and United shared the same accommodation in the Far East and when their paths crossed Ballack's name was not mentioned by the Premiership giants.
Ballack is being tipped to leave Die Bundesliga and move abroad, although the experienced campaigner has not ruled out seeing out his career with Bayern.
"While in Japan, Manchester United shared the same hotel as us and this led to interesting conversations," explained manager Uli Hoeness.
"But not over Michael Ballack. They did not even make an enquiry."
Ballack has just 12 months remaining on his deal with the Allianz Arena club and could sign a pre-contract with interested parties come the New Year.
Bayern are determined to retain the former Bayer Leverkusen star and are awaiting his reply after offering him a new lucrative long-term deal.
"We've made our offer," said chairman Karl-Heinz Rummenigge. "Now we're waiting for an answer.
"The talks with Ballack and his advisor were very comfortable and fair. We are putting no pressure on him."
Source. (http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=296122&CPID=8&CLID=&lid=2&title=Bayern+confirm+United+ta lks&channel=football_home)
Bayern Munich chairman Karl-Heinz Rummenigge has hinted that Michael Ballack would be foolish to join Manchester United.
Ballack is carefully weighing up his future at the Allianz Arena as he has just 12 months remaining on his contract.
The Germany international has been offered an extension by Bayern which Rummenigge has urged the midfielder to sign.
But Premiership giants United have been strongly linked with an offer for the 28-year-old, who was recently crowned Germany's Player of the Year.
Though United have yet to discuss Ballack with Bayern, Rummenigge feels the player would be making a mistake in moving to Old Trafford.
Rummenigge claims Ballack would be joining a team on the wane if he was to accept the overtures from The Red Devils.
"[They are] not the Manchester of before," Rummenigge told Sport-Bild magazine.
"If I were a player, I would laugh about it."
Bayern legend Franz Beckenbauer has followed Rummenigge in encouraging Ballack to commit his future to his current club.
Beckenbauer told Bild: "Ballack has all the trump cards in his hand. I would seize the chance now and not wait too long.
"Who knows what will happen in a year? Perhaps you get an injury and cannot play in the World Cup that everyone's watching."
Travis Bickle
02-08-2005, 18:10
Ole still has time to come back, and we've got Rossi whos coming along well, Owen is a cherry we dont need on our cake. Especially if SAF wakes up and goes back to 4-4-2 there definately wont be room for him.
But sadly, i reckon we'll buy him regardless and lose a quality player because of it. And lose out on Ballack. :angry:
ManU need a goal scorer, last season after their defensive frailties ended by Ferdinand coming back the only problem they had was not scoring enough goals. Solskjaer won't be starting many, if any, games for United, Saha is a poor substitute for a World class stricker and Van Nistelrooy is starting to feel the pressure of being no1 goal scorer at United. Is Rossi a striker?
They just need Kleberson to sort it out, he's from Brasil for Christ's sake, and they've got a strong team
Travis knows.
And why did Karl-Heinz Rummenigge have to be such a bastard about it?
A simple ''Ballack stay with us'' would've been better, now he's almost slipping into my Twat List.
Yes rossi is a striker and a deadly one aswell. People are forgetting about a certain start by the name of david bellion. :rolleyes:
Apparently newcastle will table a bid for owen asap, though reports suggest Owen will find out tommorow if man utd want him or not.
Bayern chairman is just trying to put ballack off going to man utd, as he wants him to sign a new contract. As far as i know man utd and Real madrid are the only one's interested in Ballack.
Darth Daft
02-08-2005, 19:23
ManU need a goal scorer, last season after their defensive frailties ended by Ferdinand coming back the only problem they had was not scoring enough goals. Solskjaer won't be starting many, if any, games for United, Saha is a poor substitute for a World class stricker and Van Nistelrooy is starting to feel the pressure of being no1 goal scorer at United. Is Rossi a striker?
They just need Kleberson to sort it out, he's from Brasil for Christ's sake, and they've got a strong team
why wont olly start any games ? he could come back a shadow of the player he was and still be the b*llocks. 20LEgend.
Yes, Rossi is a striker, like owen but younger, and cheaper.
Klebfoot had his chance, hes no good for us. Loan him out to a spanish side i say, and when he has the nuts of a season for some team (like forlan) sell him for what we paid instead of making a loss (like forlan, when now he'd be worth plenty more than what we got for him)
Phatmann
02-08-2005, 19:28
Jones seals year-long loan
Manchester United have loaned David Jones to Preston North End for a year.
Sir Alex Ferguson has decided that the promising midfielder will not be competing for a first team spot, despite featuring in much of the pre-season campaign.
Jones captained the successful reserve team last season and was the brightest performer in the embarrassing goalless draw with Exeter City in the FA Cup third round at Old Trafford.
The 20-year-old follows the same path that David Beckham took to success as he had a spell on loan at Deepdale before reaching superstardom at Old Trafford and now Real Madrid.
"I spoke to Sir Alex Ferguson when I came back after the month break and he was keen for me to go on loan somewhere this season," he told Whites World. "And Preston is the perfect club for me.
"Preston is a great club and I'm delighted to be here.
"Beckham has come here before and, hopefully, I can do what he did, because he did well here and went back and had a big impact at Manchester United.
"The club did really well last season and my dad followed the club as a kid, so I know a lot about them."
I think this is great news, as David Jones is a quality player who I could see getting a 1st team spot in the future.
Phatmann
02-08-2005, 20:46
http://www.soccerclips.net/uploadhttp.php
rooneys chip is the 2nd goal.
Juan gerard
02-08-2005, 20:55
ballack is not the new keane he is an attacking midfielder. we need a box-to-box midfielder with creative abilities but can defend as well, essien fits this mould so does gerrard(as if we`ll get him). Gattuso would be good. i would love ballack but he isnt to replace keane. and buy the way 20Legend, ole is a god
7RONALDO7
03-08-2005, 21:11
6-1 agaisnt Antwerp....good proformance overall. I was funny to see Dong play against us.
Rooney went off injured, hope it isn't serious.
Papa Lazarou
04-08-2005, 15:37
Well Phil Neville is off to Everton in a £3.5 million deal and i wish him luck as he's been a great servant to Man U!
This is another strong indication that Fergie is lining up a signing soon!
Good luck Phil, he has always worn his heart on his sleeve whilst playing for us.
Sad to see him go.End of the neville brothers pairing, good luck to him,he has indeed been a great servant :)
Yea got to say im sort of sad to see P.neville leave he didnt play all the time but when called upon he did the job. Great versailtile player hope he does well at Everton. Wonder who man utd will get now? Now get rid of miller, saha and kleberson. Good to see ruud get a first half hat-trick.
I'll never forget the game against the gooners a few seasons ago when he bossed Vieira around the pitch. Great memories!" :laugh:
Kleberson is still quality to me. Clever player. Hope we don't get rid of him.
Kleberson is still quality to me. Clever player. Hope we don't get rid of him.
He's obviously a decent player, but he just isn't good enough in the Premiership. The league really doesn't suit his style of play, I'm sure he'll move to Spain and do a Scorelan.
Oh, and sad to see Pip leave... Not the most talented player by any stretch of the imiganation, but always was committed to United. How he got 50+ England caps is beyond me mind. £3.5 million is more than I expected to get for him too.
Juan gerard
04-08-2005, 20:23
just got to echo you guys, he isnt gonna give a killer pass but as a holding midfielder especially against arsenal he was a quality servent. With kleberson he has the talent, you see it every so often, but he isnt consistent and plays poorly other times. I would give him 6 months then flog him
Papa Lazarou
04-08-2005, 20:29
With kleberson he has the talent, you see it every so often, but he isnt consistent and plays poorly other times. I would give him 6 months then flog him
I'd agree with that but Sir Alex has to start playing him more regularly and in the correct position.
Also Solskjaer could be fit for the start of the season!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4746325.stm
this is great news as Solskjaer is a legend and was greatly missed when he was out with injury
Juan gerard
04-08-2005, 20:34
i know as good as a new signing!! if SAF put him in fletchers place for a few games and see what he can do i would welcome that
Lord Shrimpeh
05-08-2005, 14:14
The Glazer effect starts:
http://www.redissue.co.uk/news/loadnews.asp?cid=TMNW&id=232634
Looks like we may be relying on free transfers (which are unreliable, if other clubs come in for Ballack would he choose us? Besides them being mostly old stars) or small money buys in future like a bottom of the table premiership club. Well, at least until we sell half the squad. Not that I think it is bad to offload some underachievers like Kleberson, but will we be able to afford quality replacements? This Owen stuff may be a smokescreen to please the fans and the season might start with no new transfers....
JimmyHill11
05-08-2005, 16:04
looks like we'll be competing with Bolton in the transfer market from now on.
Papa Lazarou
05-08-2005, 16:09
looks like we'll be competing with Bolton in the transfer market from now on.
I wouldn't beleive everything you hear in the press. 90% of it is pure bollocks
Lord Shrimpeh
05-08-2005, 19:19
I wouldn't beleive everything you hear in the press. 90% of it is pure bollocks
So what are we meant to believe? I think what Glazer has done at Tampa is pretty much fact, though I'll reserve judgement and see if a good signing is made this summer which would show some commitment... cos it ain't looking good.
To be honest i dont really think man utd's squad needs that big of an improvement if you compare united's squad with arsenals, chelsea's its good. It just mistakes, lack of finishing that cost man utd last season. I thinl man utd had the second best defensive record last season.
Saha is out for the start of the season.
Juan gerard
05-08-2005, 19:36
we need a midfileder then im happy with our squad. GLAZER OUT!!!!>:(
Darth Daft
05-08-2005, 21:02
The Glazer effect starts:
http://www.redissue.co.uk/news/loadnews.asp?cid=TMNW&id=232634
Looks like we may be relying on free transfers (which are unreliable, if other clubs come in for Ballack would he choose us? Besides them being mostly old stars) or small money buys in future like a bottom of the table premiership club. Well, at least until we sell half the squad. Not that I think it is bad to offload some underachievers like Kleberson, but will we be able to afford quality replacements? This Owen stuff may be a smokescreen to please the fans and the season might start with no new transfers....
no new transfers.
Except Park and Van der Sar.... :rolleyes:
What will we do?
True we cant compete with chelsea (who can?) or now it seems most of the big european clubs. But ffs who did we compete with to sign Beckam, Neville, Neville, Scholes, Giggs, Butt et all?
That is the true spirit of Manchester United, something the other clubs are a long way off.
Doom-mongering
We are still the daddyhammer. Depend on it. :cool:
Getting rid of Klubfoot and Miller is no bad thing, even if they aint replaced.
Ballack is a cock. Rather have Smith even though hes not in the same league.
That is all...
So has anyone heard any other news on wether Michael Owen will be joining us or not?
With Smith being nurtured into a midfielder then we'll have 3 strikers so Owen could make up for the four, plus Solskjaer in versatile these days.
I'm happy with van der Sar, will be a great keeper for 2-3 seasons and will help nurture Howard.
I'm still out on Park, need to see him in the Premiership.
AgentZero
06-08-2005, 03:13
Saha's out again. We desperately need to offload him quickly while his tag is still in the millions. Think Owen should come to UTD, pair off withe rooney up-front, looks promising for Utd and England.
Ole is planning to be back for next weeks kick off! u think it will happen? it'll be good to see him back but i doubt he'll get chucked right in there against everton! Hopefully Owen will sign sometime this week so we have him in time for the 1st game! Then we should test Him and rooney out!
NikE
AgentZero
06-08-2005, 10:19
Ole would be a good addition, but it is hard to put someone who hasn't played for a year+ in a mid that needs to gel. So i don't think he'll play untill a couple of games into the season.
Lord Shrimpeh
06-08-2005, 13:49
We really need Rio to sign the new contract before the start of the season, he might overshadow it again as he did when he got banned...
wotever happenend to tht john obi mikel and all the arguments about whether we or chelsea actually owned him, tht storys just seemed to disapear
7RONALDO7
07-08-2005, 19:50
Mikel is included in the Manchester United squad named by the FA....... I heard so dont quote me on it.
yusuf eeli
08-08-2005, 00:01
Ole coming back into the side is a great thing but it'll be a hard job for fergie to put him in a regular position as they are all occupied
I think United should just let Mikel go to chelsea because if he isn't happy playing for united he won't perform to his full.
svendust
08-08-2005, 16:30
Just seens on sky sports news that Rio has signed a new four year deal also Fergie is not giving anything away on Michael Owen joining United.
codename 47
08-08-2005, 16:37
Finally,be interesting to see if the same fans that travelled all the way to the far east just to boo rio will start cheering him again,iw wonder if were're gonna here from Rio about his new deal
United issued a rebuttal of Real's claim, while Ferguson was not willing to expand on whether he wants to take the England international to Old Trafford.
"I'm not answering that," said the United boss when he was asked at a press conference if he holds an interest in the former Liverpool hit-man.
"I'll tell you why. I've seen the nonsense you have written all year. There is no way I would give you a helping hand in that respect.
"I am not going to make any comment whatsoever. You need to ask Real Madrid that really as I'm sitting in Manchester."
Owen has been forwarded as the man to solve the difficulties which plagued United last season when they wasted many chances in most games, primarily in the FA Cup final against Arsenal.
Part of their profligacy was down to the lack of sharpness of Ruud van Nistelrooy but Ferguson feels the Dutch predator is now back to his best.
He added: "With it being a fragmented season last season, his goalscoring ratio was nothing like it's been in previous years - that's the difference.
"He is fit and looking terrific. I expect, and know, he'll deliver and it's going to be a great boost to us all.
"I think Ruud can play with anyone, good players do that. Ruud is a natural-born centre forward.
"There are some good combinations for us up front I feel but, at the end of the day, when Ruud hits his goalscoring form it will make a massive difference for us.
"I think he is the best finisher I've seen in my time as a manager. He's an absolutely incredible finisher."
Ferguson also paid tribute to midfield duo Phil Neville and Kleberson, who have recently left United to join Everton and Besiktas, respectively.
The Scot continued: "It was a major decision for Phil to leave. He goes with everyone's best wishes.
"He'll do well. I think it'll be a great signing for Everton. He's been a fantastic professional, he has been a fixture here since he was a kid.
"It must be very difficult to make these decisions to leave our club. He's 28 and could have five or six years at the very top so it's probably the best decision for him.
"He (Kleberson) has made the decision and I think he simply didn't have the luck here.
"Several injuries knocked him back. It was a step forward and two back and that was unfortunate.
"He is a very good player and I'm sure he will do very well at Besiktas. He is a good pro, a good character.
"Like a lot of players, with a big transfer he needed a break and he never got it. Hopefully, he will get the breaks now he goes to Besiktas."
Fergie on owen and other stuff including why the premiership has taken over La Liga
The England international has ended all doubts about his future and agreed to commit himself to the club on lucrative new terms.
Sir Alex Ferguson has urged the Manchester United fans to stop barracking Ferdinand ahead of the UEFA Champions League qualifier with Debrecen.
The season kicks off for United when the Hungarian outfit travel to Old Trafford on Tuesday night and Ferguson is expecting a tough examination.
With Ferdinand still the target of the boo-boys throughout the pre-season, the developments on the eve of the campaign should help ease the pressure on the former Leeds star.
"I think we've made our points about that," he stated. "I think we've addressed it in the proper way.
"He's a Manchester United player. He's training and has been terrific and given me 100 percent on the football field. All we should concern ourselves about is he's putting that strip on and Manchester United fans would expect to get behind him.
"Of course, there's always a percentage who are always hard to please, it doesn't matter what the issues are.
"Tomorrow, we've got to get off to a really good start in terms of unity of the whole club - supporters, players and my staff; if we do that, we have a major chance."
Ferguson believes The Premiership has overtaken La Liga as the best league in the world.
"The English clubs have a great chance of doing well in this cup," he opined. "There is a handicap in terms of the amount of football you have to play but Liverpool did it last year so it can be done.
"They're both difficult to win [the Champions League and Premiership]. Look at the Premier Division now. Chelsea had one defeat, Arsenal nil defeats the season before. The bar has been risen.
"That's not to say that the level of the top teams has gone beyond everyone, though it might suggest that.
"The quality at the moment is fantastic, to be honest. It's better now than Spain. Up to two years ago, I think Spanish football hit a great peak. Without question, it was the benchmark for Europe but I think England has caught up and gone beyond that."
JimmyHill11
08-08-2005, 17:09
NikE[']Ole is planning to be back for next weeks kick off! u think it will happen? it'll be good to see him back but i doubt he'll get chucked right in there against everton! Hopefully Owen will sign sometime this week so we have him in time for the 1st game! Then we should test Him and rooney out!
I think SAF is waiting to see how Ole shapes up before going in for Owen. Obvioulsy, over most of last season we could have done with his ability to put the ball in the net. He can also provide cover for Ronaldo on the right
I would like to see Owen at United firstly cos it will piss off most Liverpool fans and secondly him and Ruud would be one hell of a strike partnership with Rooney behind them.
I would like to see Owen at United firstly cos it will piss off most Liverpool fans and secondly him and Ruud would be one hell of a strike partnership with Rooney behind them.wouldn't work
why not? , i know they are similar but they are both goalscorers and thats all that matters really.
and where is Scholes, Ronaldo, Keane, Giggs and a new centre mid all gonna fit into this equation? Man Utd's width has been their main attacking threat ever since i can remember
I dont think keane will play a huge part of this season so it could just be scholes,Ronaldo and Giggs
I dont think keane will play a huge part of this season so it could just be scholes,Ronaldo and Giggs
Too attacking, and lightweight.
Guillermo
08-08-2005, 19:23
Precisely we need a defensive mid in the equation. And Keane is the only one we got worthy of a first team place. Don't need Owen anyway, buying him is spending money in departments it isn't needed at the moment.
I dont think keane will play a huge part of this season so it could just be scholes,Ronaldo and GiggsHello? Graeme? Mr Souness? Is That You
:D
o0oGedo0o
09-08-2005, 11:51
someone please say i'm wrong, i saw in a sports news channel yesterday that man utd declared they didn't contact real madrid for owen.
someone please say i'm wrong, i saw in a sports news channel yesterday that man utd declared they didn't contact real madrid for owen.
There was contrasting reports from bioth clubs yesterday, ManYoo ednying enquiring about Owen, whereas Real said they had been in touch.
It's looking most likely that Owen will stay at Real now, even though he deserves first-team football somewhere, he needs European football though, something Newcastle can't offer, damn it.
7RONALDO7
09-08-2005, 22:49
United won 3-0 in the CL qualifyer (sp)
Rooney, Ruud, Ronaldo scored.
Good all round preformance, especually by Rooney who played great!!!!
Great performance tonight, ive got to say Park Ji Sung looked class when he came on from the bench.
p.s Kleberson has signed for Besiktas
http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/050808/7/4a3m.html
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/8591/063586news0fv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
This is who could fill keanos boots,sign him Fergie!!!!!!!,who cares if he has just signed a new deal,Cahill is immense.
I don't understand this stuff about "filling Keanos boots".
Fair enough you do need a replacement but aren't all the people that have been linked to it attacking midfielders and not defensives ones. Like I saw the story about Alan Smith and then there was all that stuff about Ballack and now Cahill. If you lot were tracking down someone like Gattuso I could understand but most of the players are midfielders who like to wander forward and support the strikers.
I suppose he doesnt exactly fill keanos boots but who will?, i just want to see cahill at United. And yes Gattuso is a very good option.
i mean , wat's the fuss abt filling keane's boots , i dun think alan smith will do well , why does fergie always leave out kleberson in the first team , that guy is good
http://www.dennysden.com/gfx/rooney.jpg
ermmmmmmm :blush:
chris248
10-08-2005, 11:59
i mean , wat's the fuss abt filling keane's boots , i dun think alan smith will do well , why does fergie always leave out kleberson in the first team , that guy is good
kleberson has been sold to besitkas for about £2.5million this week. he never settled in the english game.
AgentZero
10-08-2005, 12:14
i mean , wat's the fuss abt filling keane's boots , i dun think alan smith will do well , why does fergie always leave out kleberson in the first team , that guy is good
mate, you dun know how terrible he played at United, he is good ye ill say that we all saw what he can do at WC02, but fergie left him out because he doesn't suit the style of play Utd opts for.
Guillermo
10-08-2005, 13:11
mate, you dun know how terrible he played at United, .
He didn't play that bad at United at all. It's just he was too injury prone and we can't afford to keep someone whom we will never be able to pick. Bit like Saha.
Great performance last night.Park Ji Sung did play well when he got on.Rooney and Ronaldo did their usual great performances! More of that on Saturday hopefully :D
NikE
Guillermo
10-08-2005, 17:12
O'Shea is going to sign a new contract...
Manchester United defender John O'Shea has revealed he is on the verge of signing a new four-year contract with the Old Trafford outfit.
The 24-year-old Republic of Ireland international has recently been linked with a move to Celtic.
"I am very close to signing a new four-year deal and, fingers crossed, that will be done and dusted before the start of the season," O'Shea said.
"I'm looking forward to spending more time here and enjoying more success."
O'Shea, whose present contract expires next summer, added: "When I first broke into the squad I played about 50 games a season for a couple of years.
"Last season, I took part in 37, so anywhere in between would be nice."
O'Shea made his 155th senior appearance for United against Debrecen on Tuesday.
JimmyHill11
10-08-2005, 17:45
Does that mean we'll get more of John O'Shea in midfield this season ? That never looked that promising last season. Where else can he play? He's too slow to be a top class centre back, and as a full back he always seems defensively suspect when he's up against a class winger.
On the subject of getting a replacement for Keane, might SAF be looking for someone who is more like the box to box midfielder Keane used to be, rather than the holding player he now is. Part of the reason we now play 4-3-3 is because the team has to accomodate Keane playing that role. If we had a midfield dynamo we could go back to swashbuckling 4-4-2. The problem is that all of those type of players seem to be way too pricey for what United can afford nowadays (Essien, Gerrard and the like come in at 25-30 million)
Juan gerard
10-08-2005, 18:13
we need a midfilder, not someone to fill keanes boots, a top class experienced midfielder whos been doing it for years. so ballack then
mehul_98
11-08-2005, 11:38
Manchester United are keen to sign £8m-rated Brazilian right-back Cicinho, who BBC Sport understands has flown to England for talks at Old Trafford.
The 25-year-old Sao Paulo defender would not require a work permit as he qualifies for a European passport through his Italian grandfather.
Milan and Juventus have also been tracking Cicinho, who is tipped to replace Cafu in the national team.
But United seem in pole position to sign the player on a four-year deal.
Cicinho has been capped by Brazil six times and was impressive during the recent Confederations Cup.
Should he join United, it could signal the end for Gary Neville, whose brother Phil left the club to join Everton last week.
And it may go some way to appease fans concerned there is no money for transfers following Malcolm Glazer's takeover.
OMG that will be class if we get him! got my fingers crossed for that move!
Yea this would be good news if it was to come true, hope ac milan dont make an offer to get him.£8 million is not bad aswell, looks like the end of the line for the neville brothers.
7RONALDO7
11-08-2005, 14:09
Its good that we are looking for a replacement for Gary, but our main priority is a midfielder.
Cicinho is a class right back,he would be the perfect replacement for neville and 8 million aint bad at all.
7RONALDO7
11-08-2005, 15:59
I have never seen him play, has anyone else so i can have a rough idea of how good/bad he is.
Yea i have seen him play in the confederations cup for brazil, from what it looks like he love's to go forward more of an attacking right back almost cafu like and he is quick.
codename 47
11-08-2005, 17:15
Kinda suprised man utd have gone in for Cicinho as i never thought fergie looking for a new right back,but theres a good chance he'll end up in italy with juve or milan as his idol is Cafu,still would be a good signing if fergie/glazer/gill can pull it off as Cicinho is also going up and down the wings,got high energy levels
Something on micheal owen as some australian coach who was on tour with man utd has revelaved that fergie belvieves owen won't fit into his team's style of play
Sir Alex Ferguson does not want to sign Michael Owen because he will not fit into Manchester United's style of play, according to cricket coach John Buchanan.
The Australian was handed a tour of Old Trafford before the Ashes Test up the road and was fortunate enough to meet with Ferguson.
A candid discussion followed and Buchanan managed to get an answer on the Owen situation, something that football journalists have had little luck securing over the past couple of weeks as speculation has mounted that United want to sign the Real Madrid striker.
"He talked a little bit about Michael Owen and he doesn't really see his style of play fitting in with Man United," Buchanan revealed to The Guardian.
"That's one of the reasons they're not going for him.
"There was an interesting article in the paper about those type of players who, when they look back on their career, haven't really given themselves the opportunity to play as much football as they could have done, simply because of where they've positioned themselves at various clubs.
"He feels that he could drop his price or at least make sure that he just gets out and plays rather than sitting, as he is, as a fifth-choice striker at Real Madrid."
Owen has been told he is still wanted at Real but his first team opportunities look extremely limited after the arrival of Robinho and Julio Baptista, even though the latter may be used in a midfield role.
http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=298136&cpid=8&CLID=1&lid=&title=Fergie's+Owen+revelation&channel=football_home
7RONALDO7
11-08-2005, 17:38
Here is a compilation of him playing....from what this shows, he looks more like a right-winger then a right-back, he looks a great player going forward but not seen him doing any defensive tackles like gary neville:
http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=cicinho
JimmyHill11
11-08-2005, 18:42
From that complilation he looks like he's pretty decent on his left foot as well as right.
Is he the guy who played at Confederations Cup? I cen't remember the name of the Brazil right back but he was doing a good impression of Cafu.
Man utd will be second ( after chelsea) this season, i doubt they will go first but 90% they will go second without viera arsenal is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Crap!!
Emm ok if u think so,Season hasn't started yet ;)
NikE
Guillermo
12-08-2005, 20:52
Man utd will be second ( after chelsea) this season, i doubt they will go first but 90% they will go second without viera arsenal is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Crap!!
Vieira was pretty much a ghost last season. And yet Arsenal still managed to pull off second place. Fabregas is better now, but if Gilberto gets injured then Arsenal do have problems with their central midfield. As Fabregas and Flamini can't quite cut it yet.
Is he the guy who played at Confederations Cup? I cen't remember th