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and the season before :/
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requiem7
21-08-2010, 12:35
I don't think you worry about defeats in seasons you win the league. It seasons you lose the league you can pin point games that cost you the league. And a team such as United they'll go the extra mile to make amends. Not sure I agree with the poll in saying, will this be Berbatov's break through season?
Just looks a lot sharper in finishing.
AgentZero
22-08-2010, 02:23
one factor is gone from their favour is that Hodgo is gone and Sparky is in :D
requiem7
22-08-2010, 11:29
one factor is gone from their favour is that Hodgo is gone and Sparky is in :D
And they'll have a proper defense to choose from.
ThaReaper01
22-08-2010, 18:01
We suck so much ass when we play Fulham.
Fair play to Fulham, they brought their game today and deserved the point.
Some of our defending was woeful though. Evans was outplayed, out manoeuvred and out muscled by Zamora on too many occasions. Vidic was asleep. O'Shea looked aimless. Fletcher wasted too many passes & Park was not a patch on his performances last year.
Despite everything though, it made for an entertaining game.
Yeah was a good game, Fulham deserved something. Their keeper looks quite handy too.
AgentZero
23-08-2010, 01:55
oh deservedly eating humble pie
requiem7
23-08-2010, 16:29
We suck so much ass when we play Fulham.
Why did Giggs not take the pen? Even Berbatov or Scholes.
Why did Giggs not take the pen? Even Berbatov or Scholes.
I'm glad Nani took it. It was never a penalty & we quite frankly didn't deserve the 3 points.
I'm glad Nani took it. It was never a penalty & we quite frankly didn't deserve the 3 points.
Oh don't be so silly. It wasn't a penalty no, but you're happy we missed it because it would have been "wrong" of us to win in such a manner? These situations come and go, we have to take them when we can. It is the referee's decision and not ours.
There have been numerous occasions throughout every season when we haven't deserved the 3 points, but real champions have the heart and experience to squeeze out the unlikely victory. These are the victories that certainly define a league-winning season. Are you telling me that you'd rather us draw or even lose these matches simply because we don't deserve to win them? I'm sorry fick but c'mon, get real here. These are exactly the matches that have you jumping for joy when you somehow scrape out a winning goal, because deep down you know you've got away with robbery, and an important robbery too.
Nani should never have been allowed the penalty, Giggs should have stepped up and scored it. To this day it baffles me why players don't go down the middle more often too because 95% of the time the keeper will commit, even if only half-arsed. All that is required is a fairly well struck shot down the middle that isn't along the floor.
Oh, and Andy Gray is an even bigger tail than I originally thought too. I guess him claiming the John O'Shea "handball" at the other end has slipped people's minds, because that really irritated me. First of all it hit his arse, and no Andy Gray, it shouldn't have been given for the sake of "evening the score" because at the end of the day two wrongs don't make a right. Idiot.
Oh don't be so silly. It wasn't a penalty no, but you're happy we missed it because it would have been "wrong" of us to win in such a manner? These situations come and go, we have to take them when we can. It is the referee's decision and not ours.
I'm one of the rare breed who would rather win deservedly. Perhaps a little idealistic, yes, but that's the way I see it.
I admit that luck/advantages are a big part of the season, but you could say we had more than enough with Vidic escaping some serious shirt pulling in the box?
Oh, and Andy Gray is an even bigger tail than I originally thought too. I guess him claiming the John O'Shea "handball" at the other end has slipped people's minds, because that really irritated me. First of all it hit his arse, and no Andy Gray, it shouldn't have been given for the sake of "evening the score" because at the end of the day two wrongs don't make a right. Idiot.
Agreed.
Stormrider
23-08-2010, 17:13
Well said Hunter. Hate to admit that Fulham did deserve something though. Well played and great match to watch.
Why the hell should it not be a penalty? It was clear cut. :huh:
More power to you, fick.
And yeah, the proper response to a mistake isn't another mistake. It bothers me when analysts and commentators go on about a make-up call, but I seriously suspect some referees who do that sort of thing, and then disguise it under "Consistency".
Vidic got away with a lot when he was pulling on Dembele.
Why the hell should it not be a penalty? It was clear cut. :huh:
Sarcasm, right?
I'm one of the rare breed who would rather win deservedly. Perhaps a little idealistic, yes, but that's the way I see it.
I admit that luck/advantages are a big part of the season, but you could say we had more than enough with Vidic escaping some serious shirt pulling in the box?.
Football would be incredibly boring if the team who deserved to win did so every match.
I honestly can't remember seeing Vidic pulling a shirt in the box, but it wouldn't surprise me. Scholes almost gave a penalty away mind when he decided to slide tackle someone right on the edge, but thankfully didn't really make contact, I certainly cringed though.
Why the hell should it not be a penalty? It was clear cut. :huh:
It worries me slightly that people still don't know the handball rule, as it's pretty simple.
Handball is only handball if it is deliberate, and it's up to the referee's discretion to deem a handball deliberate e.g. whether the player leaned into the ball with his arm, or whether his arm was in a natural position and it was merely unfortunate/coincidence that the ball hit the player's arm.
With this law in mind, it's quite obvious it wasn't a handball in the sense of foulplay. Yes, the ball hit his hand but it was in no way deliberate, merely unfortunate.
More power to you, fick.
Thanks Barry ;)
Football would be incredibly boring if the team who deserved to win did so every match.
I personally find the controversy and official's pathetic inconsistency in football rather tiring. I'd much rather watch a well played, well fought game over a farce any day.
I honestly can't remember seeing Vidic pulling a shirt in the box, but it wouldn't surprise me.
You must have left the room at that point! How the ref never gave it I'll never know.
I personally find the controversy and official's pathetic inconsistency in football rather tiring. I'd much rather watch a well played, well fought game over a farce any day.
I'm not talking about official's inconsistency, or even high consistency but poor decisions. I rarely dispute with officials because ultimately they have an incredibly difficult job to do, because not only is it tough to view action and make a decision in a split second, but then you take into account every player on the pitch attempting to influence you, as well as the 30,000+ fans in the stadium too. I'm honestly surprised more officials haven't cracked under pressure and went postal on the players.
As I say though, it doesn't have to be about the officials. Giant killings would be even rarer, and the outcomes of matches more predictable if every team who deserved to win were to win. If every team who received a penalty against the run of play purposefully missed it just because they weren't deserving of the 3 points. If it was another subject I might admire your views, but with football, I don't to be honest. They're just flawed if they are indeed your true opinions.
You must have left the room at that point! How the ref never gave it I'll never know.
I was turning around every now and then talking to my Uncle, so it's quite possible I missed it. It wouldn't surprise me though if I saw it and simply can't remember it. On a Vidic related note though, I thought he'd broken his neck after he headed the ball and hit the floor. :lol:
As I say though, it doesn't have to be about the officials. Giant killings would be even rarer, and the outcomes of matches more predictable if every team who deserved to win were to win.
Not sure I agree with that. I've seen many a game, especially cup games, where the better/more deserving side on the day was the unfavoured minnow. It just appals me when such blatant mistakes are made which could ruin a game. I saw more poor/blatant refereeing decisions this weekend than during the whole WC finals.
If it was another subject I might admire your views, but with football, I don't to be honest. They're just flawed if they are indeed your true opinions.
They are my true opinions. We shall have to agree to disagree on this one as a can see no middle ground.
Mullet Taylor
23-08-2010, 18:46
fick, you are a rare breed.
Sarcasm, right?
Not in the slightest.
It worries me slightly that people still don't know the handball rule, as it's pretty simple.
Handball is only handball if it is deliberate, and it's up to the referee's discretion to deem a handball deliberate e.g. whether the player leaned into the ball with his arm, or whether his arm was in a natural position and it was merely unfortunate/coincidence that the ball hit the player's arm.
With this law in mind, it's quite obvious it wasn't a handball in the sense of foulplay. Yes, the ball hit his hand but it was in no way deliberate, merely unfortunate.
Then 90% of what is given as handball should not be given. Only instances such as Suarez or Maradona in the World Cup are 'deliberate'. I know I've never made a deliberate handball in my life, but sometimes it just hits my arm in unfortunate circumstances. Hell, even Henry's handball against Ireland wasn't deliberate, does that make it perfectly fine? If the defining of a penalty is based solely on intention it needs a massive rethink.
Not in the slightest.
Then 90% of what is given as handball should not be given. Only instances such as Suarez or Maradona in the World Cup are 'deliberate'. I know I've never made a deliberate handball in my life, but sometimes it just hits my arm in unfortunate circumstances. Hell, even Henry's handball against Ireland wasn't deliberate, does that make it perfectly fine? If the defining of a penalty is based solely on intention it needs a massive rethink.
I don't think you understand the law.
Deliberate means if a player moves his arm towards the ball, leans his body towards the ball, even if his arm is down by his side if he leans into it, it's intentional. If a player is deliberately attempting to block the path of the ball, and I'm not talking about grabbing the ball and throwing it away. Something as simple as moving the arm out a little can be enough to justify a handball if it's deemed that the player only moved it out with the intention of blocking the ball. A lot of handball instances are purely reflexes, but they're still handball.
And yes, by the letter of the law, a lot of handball decisions are wrong. However it is up to the referee's discretion to deem a handball deliberate, it just appears as if the referee's themselves have forgotten what a handball really is.
Henry's handball against Ireland was most definitely deliberate as we all know his arm moved towards the ball to keep it into play. His arm wasn't in a natural position, and moved toward the ball. Yes it was a reflex, and you could argue it wasn't intentional, but it was technically a deliberate handball as he moved his arm in order to meet the ball.
PS: If you play football regularly, even still, you will have made a deliberate handball in your time, because the chances are, everyone has. It doesn't have to be consciously intentional to be deliberate, a lot of handballs are purely reflex, but still technically deliberate as I've mentioned. I deliberately handled a football inside the box a few weeks ago in a pre-season friendly, that was a reflex and therefore not consciously intentional, but still it was a deliberate handball. I wasn't penalised though as the ball deflected into the path of an oncoming striker (I was defending) and the striker tapped the ball in so an advantage was played - a good advantage at that.
If Duff tried to make that handball again, he would never be able to do it. He literally kicked the ball onto his hand in a way that could never be done again.
Hell, even Henry's handball against Ireland wasn't deliberate, does that make it perfectly fine?
It was one of the most deliberate handballs i have ever seen.
I agree with most of what's been said on this page. Duff's handball was completely unintentional and we didn't even get any sort of accidental advantage from it (there was someone right behind him for it to run through to). Vidic very nearly impregnated Dembele, but the O'Shea 'handball' hit his thigh. Two wrongs don't make a right. We definitely deserved something and I reckon we deserved all three points on balance but that's less than clear-cut.
Anyway, I like it when you lot come to the Cottage as we always seem to up our game! I'll write more in the Fulham thread as I don't want to clog your thread with tactical stuff.
requiem7
23-08-2010, 23:11
I agree with most of what's been said on this page. Duff's handball was completely unintentional and we didn't even get any sort of accidental advantage from it (there was someone right behind him for it to run through to). Vidic very nearly impregnated Dembele, but the O'Shea 'handball' hit his thigh. Two wrongs don't make a right. We definitely deserved something and I reckon we deserved all three points on balance but that's less than clear-cut.
Anyway, I like it when you lot come to the Cottage as we always seem to up our game! I'll write more in the Fulham thread as I don't want to clog your thread with tactical stuff.
It was a very entertaining game. The roller coaster of emotions drained me.
To have a player score an o.g, a keeper save a pen. Then the player that scored te o.g gets the equalizer. Within 10/15 minutes?
I agree with most of what's been said on this page. Duff's handball was completely unintentional and we didn't even get any sort of accidental advantage from it (there was someone right behind him for it to run through to). Vidic very nearly impregnated Dembele, but the O'Shea 'handball' hit his thigh. Two wrongs don't make a right. We definitely deserved something and I reckon we deserved all three points on balance but that's less than clear-cut.
Anyway, I like it when you lot come to the Cottage as we always seem to up our game! I'll write more in the Fulham thread as I don't want to clog your thread with tactical stuff.
Yeah, it really was a very good football game, and it had just about everything.
It might just be me, but I love the fact Fulham sell the neutral tickets because it gives our fans the entire Putney End (I think it is right?) when we come down. I can imagine it being a bit of an annoyance at times though when your Fulham fans themselves would rather have the stand split in half with half of it being occupied by your own fans and not the away teams. I explained that shitly, but I'm eating cereal and watching Big Brother. Truth.
AgentZero
24-08-2010, 00:17
after winning for 45 years we havent won in 2...its not that bad if you think about it.
Mullet Taylor
24-08-2010, 00:19
how did van der sar save the 2nd attempt in his double save ? until i seen that save, save of the weekend was foster's penalty save but van der sar somehow clawing the ball over the bar topped it for me
as for winning games when you weren't the better side, haven't Utd mastered this through the years ? its what champions do
I don't care how my team win, as long as the do the job and these 2 points mill come back to bite Utd in the arse come may.
not to worry though. Chelsea still have to be tested properly in the prem
a lot of handballs are purely reflex
Never a more true word spoken. I can honestly say I never 'deliberately' intended to handle the ball when playing. Sometimes it just happens before you've had time to think about it.
I explained that shitly, but I'm eating cereal and watching Big Brother. Truth.
Give up the BB. That's bound to fuck up your mental faculties!
AgentZero
26-08-2010, 00:12
Bebe didnt make the reserves :faceplm: even Manucho made the reserves...
ThaReaper01
26-08-2010, 07:58
Bebe didnt make the reserves :faceplm: even Manucho made the reserves...
:no:
None of that, fella.
http://www.redcafe.net/f17/merged-all-bebe-discussion-here-305444/index34.html
Manchester United set to target Bolton Wanderers midfielder
source (http://www.clicklancashire.com/sport/blackburn-rovers-fc/127927-manchester-united-set-to-target-bolton-wanderers-midfielder.html)
AgentZero
29-08-2010, 00:36
what the hell did berbas shirt read?
ThaReaper01
29-08-2010, 00:56
'For you Dad' in Bulgarian or something like that. He and Nani were brilliant. Scholes, what else can you say? Messi? My ass. Xavi? You wish. Scholes > God
You lot were in incredible today. It was very hard to watch. Even though it was quite obvious Cole never got enough help from the midfield, Vidic had in him in his pocket the entire game and im losing patience with him.
By the way, where the fuck did you lot get Jonathan Spector from and what did you ever see in him? Its like he doesn't have the mental capacity to play football. His tackle to give away the penalty was horrible! There was a defender waiting to close Giggs down! Go and play baseball or something that doesnt require you to think please.
Totally agree on the Spector comment. I don't understand how he made it as a pro footballer.
Serious. Everytime I see Spector play, he gives away a penalty.
ThaReaper01
29-08-2010, 02:23
You lot were in incredible today. It was very hard to watch. Even though it was quite obvious Cole never got enough help from the midfield, Vidic had in him in his pocket the entire game and im losing patience with him.
By the way, where the fuck did you lot get Jonathan Spector from and what did you ever see in him? Its like he doesn't have the mental capacity to play football. His tackle to give away the penalty was horrible! There was a defender waiting to close Giggs down! Go and play baseball or something that doesnt require you to think please.
I'm just glad Vidic-Evans worked out. Evans was tidy and got stuck in when needed and Vidic was a monster. Not out of the ordinary there. There was one tackle though in the first half, when it looked like Cole had gotten away and Vida put in a brilliant tackle to deny him. Cole was down because of his shoulder after that IIRC.
Fantastic acrobatic move from Berba yesterday.
ThaReaper01
30-08-2010, 17:57
Can believe we're sending Tom on loan. :crymore::realmad:
Ajax striker Suarez leaves door open to Man Utd
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9617/suarez1667240c.jpg
Luis Suarez says he won't push for a move away from Ajax.
The Uruguay striker has been linked with Sunderland, Manchester United and Liverpool.
Suarez told NUsport: "Ajax's financial position is the only reason I'm even thinking of a transfer.
"But if I leave Ajax, I will go to a club where 'real football is played'.
"I have never asked for a transfer. If I felt I was finished here I would say that but I don't.
"I can achieve what I want here. We must win the (domestic) championship and do something in the Champions League. I would give anything for Ajax. I would have no problem with playing for this club for many years to come."
source (http://www.tribalfootball.com/ajax-striker-suarez-leaves-door-open-man-utd-liverpool-1081101)
Phatmann
30-08-2010, 22:00
Can believe we're sending Tom on loan. :crymore::realmad:
It's the best thing to do. He's not gonna get much football in the first team this season so if he goes to Wigan he could get some vital Premiership experience under his belt. I wasn't that impressed with him in pre-season.
AgentZero
31-08-2010, 05:20
Some players really need to step up if they want a career at United. Havent heard anything about Obertan since preseason, also read that hes bulked up a bit. I hope his progress continues, he looks like a very exciting players.
Fantastic acrobatic move from Berba yesterday.
I think that's the first one he's actually got right since signing for us. About bloody time too!
Some players really need to step up if they want a career at United. Havent heard anything about Obertan since preseason, also read that hes bulked up a bit. I hope his progress continues, he looks like a very exciting players.
I'd hoped he'd be more prevalent this season also. He certainly seems to have some talent and is one of the few players in our squad who seems to favour the traditional wing play by driving to the byline to cross (which frankly would suit Berba). Hopefully we'll see more of him during the season/in cup games.
AgentZero
01-09-2010, 00:06
prospect of rodwell joining gave me a wood
Dragonfly
01-09-2010, 01:35
Even more than Carrick leaving?
Fantastic acrobatic move from Berba yesterday.
I thought Nani's chip to set him up was even better.
Ajax striker Suarez leaves door open to Man Utd
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9617/suarez1667240c.jpg
Luis Suarez says he won't push for a move away from Ajax.
The Uruguay striker has been linked with Sunderland, Manchester United and Liverpool.
Suarez told NUsport: "Ajax's financial position is the only reason I'm even thinking of a transfer.
"But if I leave Ajax, I will go to a club where 'real football is played'.
"I have never asked for a transfer. If I felt I was finished here I would say that but I don't.
"I can achieve what I want here. We must win the (domestic) championship and do something in the Champions League. I would give anything for Ajax. I would have no problem with playing for this club for many years to come."
source (http://www.tribalfootball.com/ajax-striker-suarez-leaves-door-open-man-utd-liverpool-1081101)
If the Ajax board somehow takes this as a "sell me" plea I will go over there and kick them all in the groin. Several times. They wouldn't deserve to reproduce.
By the way, "Tribalfootball" sounds like there some guy in a skirt made of grass deep in the Amazon rainforest sending out smoke signals and beating on drums to spread football news.
Tottenham’s Defoe delighted Rooney will start for England
Tottenham striker Jermain Defoe was delighted after hearing the news that Manchester United’s Wayne Rooney was set to start for England on Tuesday.
Following news of Rooney’s recent sex scandal, there were fears England boss Fabio Capello may not take him to Switzerland for the second Euro2012 qualifier, but that has since been sorted thrilling Defoe.
“Wayne was involved in all my goals and he is a great player. The role that he played just behind me worked really well,” said Defoe, who netted a hat-trick against Bulgaria in the 4-0 win on Friday.
“We can both get on the ball and affect the game. It was fantastic against Bulgaria.
“Hopefully I have done enough to cement my place in the side. I just want to keep getting in the position where I can score.
“I am playing with great players and know I am going to get those opportunities to score. It is just a case of me taking those chances''
source (http://www.tribalfootball.com/tottenham%E2%80%99s-defoe-delighted-rooney-will-start-england-1097411)
uA - 1905
08-09-2010, 01:29
Someone stop him.
AgentZero
08-09-2010, 02:06
cant stop, wont stop...ah-uh
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:W0P6a1JwVaWn_M:ht tp://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/broken_objexxx/pdiddy.jpg&t=1
cant stop, wont stop...ah-uh
:laugh:
Bad Boy baby.
Repped.
Makavelian
11-09-2010, 14:41
http://cdn1.knowyourmeme.com/i/16992/original/facepalm.jpg?1252363390
Your avatar pretty much tells it all.
I've got quite a grin on my face right now. Amazing fightback.
Arteta for England, please Fabio?
Makavelian
11-09-2010, 14:54
Your avatar pretty much tells it all.
I've got quite a grin on my face right now. Amazing fightback.
Arteta for England, please Fabio?
Too make the situation worse i watched the match in a room with 5 citeh fans and i said when we conceded dont worry everton are using too much energy closing down etc. we will batter them in the second half .I was feeling very smug as you can imagine when we were 3-1 up
i made a a quick exit when they equalised http://ironicsurrealism.blogivists.co m/files/2009/03/face-palm-300x300.jpg
^me walking home
:lol: Well it was entertaining for the neutrals.
To the point of me jumping and screaming as if Kevin Phillips had just banged two in past the inbred swine.
Well not really, but I wrote that in the hope muscularmatt reads it and weeps.
AgentZero
13-09-2010, 22:42
horrible weekend, went to Sydney to watch the Bledisloe/Tri Nations game, Wallabies up by 2 tries...stumbled and lost. Went to a pub to watch Everton/United....lets just say i had a BIG headache coming home on Sunday.
Phatmann
14-09-2010, 19:34
I've just seen the line-up for tonight. We're fucked. Kuszczak, Brown, Smalling, Rio and Fabio at the back with Gibson starting in the middle. Hopefully Hernandez can bang in enough goals to make up for our shoddy defence.
Valencia looks fucked :/
Ankle/leg break
chelsea11
14-09-2010, 21:17
Yeah I wasn't paying attention when it happened and they never showed a replay of it but apparently he just fell backwards on to his ankle, sat on it, and its probably broken.
Rooney's had a very average, at best, performance so far. Along with the whole team really.
Its definately broken...it was hanging off..
Phatmann
14-09-2010, 21:43
A lot of dreadful performances out there tonight - the worst I've seen Park play for a long time - but it was inevitable when you looked at the line-up before the game. Gibson can hit a good shot at times but he doesn't have the same range of passing as Scholes or Giggs, so he's not a player I'd be starting in important games.
EDIT: Can someone explain to me why we brought on a centre back to play left back with 15 minutes to go? I didn't really see the point in playing with Hernandez and Owen up front either. Hardly the biggest targets to be aiming for when there are 10 Rangers players in and around the box.
AgentZero
14-09-2010, 23:42
god gers' strategy was frustrating, effective however.
I cant really say anyone in the team played well as wed have most of the possession but didnt do anything with it, needed to break faster the amount of blue shirts pegged infront of goal was never going to be broken down with rooney and hernandez having little or no cohesion. Owen also didnt do anything, the only time i noticed him on the screen was to collect a ball for the corner.
Dundon's
15-09-2010, 02:23
Heart goes out to poor Valencia, as much as I can't stand utd nobody likes to see shit like this happen to anyone.
At the end of the day tis only a game.
Billy Minof
15-09-2010, 10:44
Is Rooney joining Madrid the summer of 2012 for free?
The Messiah
15-09-2010, 10:49
That would be hilario. It would be like when Ian Rush went abroad.
Billy Minof
15-09-2010, 11:09
That would be hilario. It would be like when Ian Rush went abroad.
Well there have been murmurs, 18 months remaining on his contract, Mourinho a known admirer as is Perez, Madrid need another striker and Rooneys private life beginning to be picked apart........Im just putting it out there for discussion.
Bammers05
15-09-2010, 11:20
I'd just like to wish Antonio Valencia the swiftest of recoveries. Never nice to see an injury like that :(
Billy Minof
15-09-2010, 11:37
I'd just like to wish Antonio Valencia the swiftest of recoveries. Never nice to see an injury like that :(
Fu*k him. :D
Mourinho a known admirer
All the better for when he succeeds Fergie then. :shifty:
Well there have been murmurs, 18 months remaining on his contract, Mourinho a known admirer as is Perez, Madrid need another striker and Rooneys private life beginning to be picked apart........Im just putting it out there for discussion.
You think Mourinho will still be at Madrid in 18 months?
Lord Shrimpeh
15-09-2010, 16:13
Well there have been murmurs, 18 months remaining on his contract, Mourinho a known admirer as is Perez, Madrid need another striker and Rooneys private life beginning to be picked apart........Im just putting it out there for discussion.
It's just paper talk. Clubs wouldn't be looking at transfers just after the window closed anyway.
Valencia is out for the season :( it's not looking good for us this season. I think we'll finish in the top 4 but can't really see us doing much outside of that. Fergie should have bought a playmaker but does he have the resources?
I don't know exactly why but Rooney is the quintessential Mourinho-player. Rooney's not enough of a pretty-boy for Real though.
Get well soon AV.
Hopefully that will give us the enthusiasm to pull our finger out and win something come the end of the season to dedicate it to him...
...like an away game.
AgentZero
15-09-2010, 22:02
I think what wazza needs now is more of the fans supporting him and keep singing his songs. The last thing a sriker wants is lost confidence from the fans. I alos hear he'll be out of the liverpool clash because of his ankle knock, hernandez/berba upfront again then.
Billy Minof
16-09-2010, 09:55
You think Mourinho will still be at Madrid in 18 months?
Definatly, he was born to coach us. He will return to England one day but maybe in 10 years time, he is still very young. ;)
AgentZero
16-09-2010, 23:11
i dunno, it seemed like he would of been at Chelsea forever ala Fergie/Wenger but then a little unrest and he was off. It would be a dream for him to come to us and finally settle in for 20 or so seasons.
Billy Minof
17-09-2010, 10:59
Well one thing he doesnt do is the expected, so expect the unexpected from the Special One, he has a very young squad also at Madrid to work with and we will only improve the longer he stays IMO, once he wins a CL or 2 he may call it a day.
We're playing quite well, berbas header was very good considering torres was hugging him from behind. Surely it was handball on the line from Konchesky?
Mjällharth
19-09-2010, 14:39
It looked like that, yes, so from his perspective it's good the ball went in :D
EDIT: I may not like ManU but that was a fucking nice goal.
fuck sake. What is wrong with us?
Mjällharth
19-09-2010, 15:14
A good day for the Count.
"Oh look at me! I'm Berbatov! All of a sudden I want to be a hero! I want to be cheered! Look at me!"
Couldn't have come at a better time. Berbatov scoring that is.
AgentZero
19-09-2010, 15:28
A good day for the Count.
scoring 3 goal...ah ah ah ah ah *THUNDERS*
Thank fuck for that. Thought we threw it all away!
AgentZero
19-09-2010, 15:29
i'll be stroking little zero furiously over that 2nd goal.
ThaReaper01
19-09-2010, 15:45
Where did that come from? Berba hat. :jack::innocent::cheer::chick: :hb:
All right, I'll give Dimi credit this season. He's been our best player so far. The back-line though? Do they equip themselves with a self-destruct button every match?
Dominated the match; I can't believe how Liverpool even came close to taking something.
Fucking told the lot of you.
Fletcher was pants today. He watched the goal go through the gap in the wall that he created by stepping aside.
That overhead kick from Berbatov, just wow. I need to get my eyes checked I think, he actually made an attempt to close a defender down. Amazing!
Grow up Nani, you puff.
Fair play to Gerrard for bringing it back to 2-2, he shows he's a big game player again... Don't know why all the United players were ganging around Howard, Jonny Evans quite clearly took Torres's legs.
What do you guys think of O'Shea only getting a yellow for that foul on Torres? Torres was last man, surely?
What a game! :D
Fletcher was pants today. He watched the goal go through the gap in the wall that he created by stepping aside.
That overhead kick from Berbatov, just wow. I need to get my eyes checked I think, he actually made an attempt to close a defender down. Amazing!
Grow up Nani, you puff.
Fair play to Gerrard for bringing it back to 2-2, he shows he's a big game player again... Don't know why all the United players were ganging around Howard, Jonny Evans quite clearly took Torres's legs.
What do you guys think of O'Shea only getting a yellow for that foul on Torres? Torres was last man, surely?
What a game! :D
Big game player again? A penalty and a free kick he hit at the wall? If that were someone of the calibre of, say Danny Murphy, we would have already forgotten who scored their two goals.
If it were the Torres of last season then I could have seen him with a chance of getting on the end of the ball, but not the current Torres. That said, I was fully expecting baldy to whip out the red card.
Foxhound
19-09-2010, 16:05
The wall and Van Der Sar's positioning was awful for Liverpool's second goal. Luckily, Berbatov saved United's ass. I think O'shea was lucky to stay on the pitch.
I however, am glad that Sir Alex decided not to risk playing Rio, as he lacks match sharpness.
F.T.W Ripper
19-09-2010, 16:21
Nani was unwatchable, the epitome of the modern day little bitch footballer.
FlytotheSky
20-09-2010, 10:42
Nani was unwatchable, the epitome of the modern day little bitch footballer.
Spot on.
AgentZero
20-09-2010, 11:36
Nani was unwatchable, the epitome of the modern day little bitch footballer.
his antics was unwatchable but he played well especially come the 2nd half.
"Oh look at me! I'm Berbatov! All of a sudden I want to be a hero! I want to be cheered! Look at me!"
:huh: Calm down Joel!
The back-line though? Do they equip themselves with a self-destruct button every match?
Looking like it isn't it?! Some major lack of communication & poor decision making in equal parts. Certainly doesn't fill me with confidence for when we meet a side with some real attacking prowess.
Fucking told the lot of you.
:tongue:
Fair play to Gerrard for bringing it back to 2-2, he shows he's a big game player again...
Pardon? The soft git bindipper was lucky. A goal from a pen he didn't win & a deflected freekick do not show what a weak cog in a wobbly wheel he was. The pool are looking like mid table cannon fodder at best this year.
Nani was unwatchable, the epitome of the modern day little bitch footballer.
Says the epitome a of a modern day 'lil poster ;)
Phatmann
20-09-2010, 21:35
I was really surprised at how deep they were playing Gerrard whilst leaving the rather ineffective Meireles to play just behind Torres. It could've been a much tighter game in terms of chances had he been playing more advanced.
AgentZero
22-09-2010, 10:20
theres a video of Bebes debut for the reserves knocking about and the kid seem to have a dangerous cross, which ocnfuses me as i thought he was a forward and suppose to be on the demand side of crosses.
Hopefully he starts against Scunthorpe.
Would be good to see him tonight as I've not really seen much so far...
Hoping to also see some defending :no:
theres a video of Bebes debut for the reserves knocking about and the kid seem to have a dangerous cross, which ocnfuses me as i thought he was a forward and suppose to be on the demand side of crosses.
Hopefully he starts against Scunthorpe.Shearer's the best crosser of a ball I've ever seen at Newcastle. So it can happen.
Keyser Soze
22-09-2010, 19:10
Same goes for Drogba at Chelsea. The way I see it, as a forward, atleast you'd know what kind of service a striker would thrive on.
Billy Minof
22-09-2010, 21:26
Shearer's the best crosser of a ball I've ever seen at Newcastle. So it can happen.
Same goes for Drogba at Chelsea. The way I see it, as a forward, atleast you'd know what kind of service a striker would thrive on.
I agree, although the 2 mentioned above were gifted footballers with more to there games than just shooting, most strikers cant cross there legs never mind the ball into a dangerous position, jesus most of the wingers cant cross in a good ball.
Bebe was ment to be aweful in the reserve match also and was only signed on the recommendation of Carlos Queiroz. According to what I read A. Ferguson has never even seen him play which I doubt.
Best of luck to him though, if he is good enough we will take him off of ye in the future. :D
AgentZero
23-09-2010, 02:15
Would be good to see him tonight as I've not really seen much so far...
Hoping to also see some defending :no:
considering we allowed Scunny to play and have 29 shots, 19 of which was on target this is still an issue.
From what i saw their second was super soft. I just hope our defence fixes its faults as we can't afford to drop anymore points.
Hoping to also see some defending :no:
considering we allowed Scunny to play and have 29 shots, 19 of which was on target this is still an issue.
True. There seems to be some severe lack of communication at the back this season which could definitely cause us major problems.
Macheda was shite. After his performance against Villa last season I was expecting something better, but every time I see him play I get more & more frustrated with his ineptitude. Anderson was back to his 'headless chicken' best though. Glad he avoided shooting too. Obertan disappointed. I thought he might've taken on the full back, but nay. Has much more talent than he displayed last night.
There were some positives though. Gibson in spells looked like a consummate pro. His goal was pretty damn good (and timely). For what little we saw of Bebe, he looks like being another interesting signing. Seems to be capable of tackling back as well.
On the whole, the result is only what should be expected. At least we fared better than Liverpool & City...
Owen bringing the times back with those 2 lovely finishes, Scunny taking the lead early on - belter that was - and the streaker - overall a very entertaining match :happy:
Stormrider
26-09-2010, 12:17
Sneijder calling us out Source (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6401604,00.html)
We have to get him after this right?
CDDRodrigo
26-09-2010, 12:55
Sneijder calling us out Source (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6401604,00.html)
We have to get him after this right?
If you don't, we'll have to HIDE YO WIFE, HIDE YO KIDS, HIDE YO HUSBAND TOO
Phatmann
26-09-2010, 14:17
Please tell me Hernandez is injured as otherwise I don't see why he wasn't on the bench yet Macheda was. That's 3 away draws on the trot and not even against the big teams in the league which is disappointing.
wrathchild_uk
26-09-2010, 14:58
I think it's starting to show that we needed to sign a top proven right back and centre back in the summer, Oshea and Evans just aren't up to imo..
Your defence hasn't been the same since the Vidic-Ferdinand partnership (which has been successful) was disrupted by Rio's injury proneness.
I wonder if Ferdinand will ever be a shadow of what he was a few years back.
Stormrider
27-09-2010, 05:51
Nah Rio's best years are very clearly behind him and with all these injury problems I think retirement is starting to creep up on him too I'm afraid, but I still think even a crocked Rio is better than what we got atm. Maybe Smalling can step up to take over the reigns for Rio sometime in the near future cuz I just don't see the Vidic-Evans partnership ever working out.
What an unadulterated bag of shite that was last night.
With the exception of Fabio, Berba & a cracking finish from Chico it was like watching park footy. I don't remember the last time I saw us playing that poorly. So many slack passes, so much lack of drive. Even VDS looked below par with some poor judgement on occasions.
How the hell we won that I'll never know :no:
Ultimate777
30-09-2010, 13:53
What an unadulterated bag of shite that was last night.
With the exception of Fabio, Berba & a cracking finish from Chico it was like watching park footy. I don't remember the last time I saw us playing that poorly. So many slack passes, so much lack of drive. Even VDS looked below par with some poor judgement on occasions.
How the hell we won that I'll never know :no:
What did you expect? You think we were going to be playing free flowing football and stream roll a team that's top of la liga and unbeaten in their league away from home?
This was a professional performance of the highest, we were patient and defended well.
We had players returning from injury in the heart of midfield and sure enough they are going to be a bit rusty.
I don't understand some people. We win and it's still not enough because we didn't win 5-0 :rolleyes:
If we'd have drawn that game 0-0 last night, I would've happily taken it and just praised the defence (and in particular, Rio) because at times when it looked like we were going to concede, he was there to clear it.
The goal was a bonus, and a superbly taken one at that - I was fucking delighted with that last night.
Phatmann
30-09-2010, 18:52
What an unadulterated bag of shite that was last night.
With the exception of Fabio, Berba & a cracking finish from Chico it was like watching park footy. I don't remember the last time I saw us playing that poorly. So many slack passes, so much lack of drive. Even VDS looked below par with some poor judgement on occasions.
How the hell we won that I'll never know :no:
It was Rafael, not Fabio. Rafael looked better than I've ever seen him before, in particular when defending. Ferdinand had a decent game too.
Don't know how that can be called a bad performance considering our record in Spain.
Although I'm not sure what's up with Park this season, on the positive side I thought that Anderson was very good and Rio was excellent.
What did you expect? You think we were going to be playing free flowing football and stream roll a team that's top of la liga and unbeaten in their league away from home?
I expected us to be able to pass a ball when not under pressure. We aew supposed to be one of the top sides in Europe after all.
I don't understand some people. We win and it's still not enough because we didn't win 5-0 :rolleyes:
You obviously know nothing about my views on football so I'll let that slide.
It was Rafael, not Fabio. Rafael looked better than I've ever seen him before, in particular when defending. Ferdinand had a decent game too.
How do you know?.. they might've swapped shirts... :shifty:
Don't know how that can be called a bad performance considering our record in Spain.
Although I'm not sure what's up with Park this season, on the positive side I thought that Anderson was very good and Rio was excellent.
It's not about the result, more the performance. Agree with the Park comment though. He was one of our most consistent performers, especially in European games last year.
Meyyappan
02-10-2010, 17:27
If Arsenal win tomorrow united will consider themselves very lucky and will be very happy to be just two points behind the leaders after 4 draws in the opening 7 fixtures.
FlytotheSky
02-10-2010, 17:30
Sunderland was miles better today and was unfortunate to not bag the three points. I am quite surprised that Fergy decided to start with the duo consisting Macheda and Owen, given Sunderland's form at home.
Lord Shrimpeh
02-10-2010, 18:27
We're starting to look like the pre-Ronaldo team of Djemba Djemba, Kleberson and co. Fergie usually goes through a phase like this until he gets his act together but with him getting older and the purse strings getting tighter I wonder if we'll return back to the force we were when we won the champions league in the near future.
I think we're alright for the top 4 and nothing drastic will go wrong but I can't really see much excitement or trophies for us this season.
You're going to be fine. You've kept two cleansheets in a row away from home now. And you were scoring a lot before the last two games. It's just taking you longer to click.
And traditionally take time to get into gear. You're going to be challenging for the title as usual, as much as I wish you'd just go away and let us dominate.
uA - 1905
02-10-2010, 19:27
What fickle fans. You're lucky you're not out of business with those debts. Ferguson evolved Man U into one of the best teams in the world and you're having a go at him for playing Macheda and Owen?
ThaReaper01
02-10-2010, 20:17
Playing Macheda and Owen was questionable IMO. Neither was going to get the service they needed because we were out manned in the midfield. It almost seemed that we moved Anderson inside to give us another body because of how slow we were moving the ball. Berbatov gave us a spark off the bench, put the ball in the net but was offside and was generally dangerous. Nani came to life in the second half, as did Rafa. Bebe, for me, should have been brought on for a striker but played in the hole behind Berba.
But let's be realistic here, the Stadium of Light is not easy place to go and play, let alone keep a clean sheet. Sir Alex also seems to be having more faith in the kids. Rafael, Anderson, Macheda, Bebe, Chicharito all played and away from home no less. Decent point, can't really complain. Sunderland made VDS work that one time then hit the post.
Foxhound
08-10-2010, 04:37
So, the GK coach reckons that Van der Sar has made up his mind to retire at the end of the season.
Do you think that Kuszchack should play more games from now on?
uA - 1905
08-10-2010, 06:07
No, get a proper goalie.
Billy Minof
08-10-2010, 12:11
Do any of these American owners know how to make profit?
United announce major loss
Record profits, but big losses for United
Manchester United have announced a post full-year operating profit of £100million, but an overall loss for the financial period up to June 2010 of £83.64m.
The figures makes United the first English club to crash through the £100million profit barrier, but the losses will raise more question marks over the Glazer's ownership of the club.
United have been able to make greater use of their instantly recognisable name and the club's enduring popularity across the planet to record the operating profit
However, that figure has been overshadowed by the detail of their overall losses.
Interest payments on loans accounted for £40million, while there was also a hefty one-off cost for the successful £504million bond issue earlier this year.
There have been rumours of a takeover bid at Old Trafford by the Red Knights group, but the Glazers have been unwilling to do business.
Original?
10-10-2010, 12:50
I will not be happy if you guys get Alexis Sanchez.
We don't need him...
...we already have Nani.
:ninja:
ThaReaper01
10-10-2010, 19:23
I will not be happy if you guys get Alexis Sanchez.
I will be though. :happy:
Hargreaves due to start for your at the weekend against West Brom.
Have you guys missed him? If he stays fit surely that means Carrick's out more, which is a good thing? :joel:
Might put a fiver on Hargreaves to get injured.
Dragonfly
13-10-2010, 19:50
I've got money on Hargreaves losing his toes from tying his shoe laces.
ThaReaper01
14-10-2010, 07:33
Hargreaves due to start for your at the weekend against West Brom.
Have you guys missed him? If he stays fit surely that means Carrick's out more, which is a good thing? :joel:
I missed him. He was the only natural Holding/DMF we had. Now he's our only FK specialist with Cristiano gone. No more Nani/Wazza hitting the wall or Giggs fizzing them over the bar. Yay!
Foxhound
14-10-2010, 07:40
It'd take months, providing he stays injury-free, for him to return to his best form.
ThaReaper01
14-10-2010, 07:41
We'll see. We don't know yet.
Billy Minof
14-10-2010, 09:59
How many games has he played at United?
Foxhound
14-10-2010, 10:17
According to Wiki, he's played 38 games in all competitions.
AgentZero
14-10-2010, 12:19
prospect of gourcuff landing in our mits has me creaming my pants.
Billy Minof
14-10-2010, 12:28
prospect of gourcuff landing in our mits has me creaming my pants.
Great young player but still needs to man up a bit, become stronger and become more consistent something that Fergie is great at bringing out in a player.
AgentZero
15-10-2010, 13:41
Great young player but still needs to man up a bit, become stronger and become more consistent something that Fergie is great at bringing out in a player.
exactly, needs more fire in the belly and who better than lord bacon face.
Hes a bit of a bottler in big games too hope this can also be rectified.
Turns out Hargreaves is now injured again. Yup. We were all right.
We should have the right to terminate his contract to be honest, he's probably cost us an absolute bloody fortune in salary.
Foxhound
16-10-2010, 16:36
Story of the season so far - Can't hold a lead
Only unbeated team in the league!!!
:(
Foxhound
16-10-2010, 17:01
United 2010-2011 will be the Inter Milan of 2004-2005. They got 18 draws, 18 wins, 2 losses.
Lord Shrimpeh
16-10-2010, 18:51
Just not quite got enough quality but then we've barely invested in the squad for 2 years
ThaReaper01
17-10-2010, 06:12
United 2010-2011 will be the Inter Milan of 2004-2005. They got 18 draws, 18 wins, 2 losses.
More like Liverpool of 08-09.
Oh dear god!
Dragonfly
17-10-2010, 11:43
But never Arsenal of 2003-04. :smug:
AgentZero
17-10-2010, 12:38
But never Arsenal of 2003-04. :smug:
has it been done before? go unbeaten in the league but not win the flag?
has it been done before? go unbeaten in the league but not win the flag?
Not in England. Just us and Preston who have done it, but both won the league. Steaua Bucharest went 4 league seasons unbeaten and of course won the title each time. Real Sociedad came the closest I believe in 1979-80. Finishing 2nd only losing once.
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_02/StattoBBC_468x312.jpg
Lord Shrimpeh
17-10-2010, 22:30
Rooney wants to leave!!! :shocking: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/oct/17/wayne-rooney-manchester-united
Ah, great. Don't you just love it when a reporter uses stuff like "potentially", "not yet clear", "no plans", "intends", "appears to have backfired" etc.
It's like they've got word from a "source" that he isn't happy and someone has thrown a story together.
AgentZero
18-10-2010, 00:37
this probably wont sit well with Sir Alex, surely no team that can afford him will go in the winter as he won't be able to partake in the Champions League.
Dundon's
18-10-2010, 03:41
He's so on his bike it's not even funny, and all down to the papers.
The ad he done for Nike during the WC springs to mind.
Foxhound
18-10-2010, 06:13
With Giggs out for a few weeks, I think that Rooney will be playing on the left.
The press would then make up stories saying that Rooney is unhappy because he is forced to play on the left instead of his favourite position.
Lord Shrimpeh
18-10-2010, 08:49
I'm not sure this should just be dismissed as press speculation to be honest, I can definitely see it happening. Under the glazers we've gradually lost our aura and our reputation as an exciting, attacking club that can gain major honours. Ronaldo wouldn't have left unless he thought he could get better elsewhere.
Dundon's
18-10-2010, 09:15
Ah well, you had a good run off it in fairness.
I'm not sure this should just be dismissed as press speculation to be honest, I can definitely see it happening. Under the glazers we've gradually lost our aura and our reputation as an exciting, attacking club that can gain major honours. Ronaldo wouldn't have left unless he thought he could get better elsewhere.
To be fair, you won 3 PL titles, 1 CL and 3 Carling Cups under the Glaziers. On the pitch hasn't been a problem.
It's not looking good for Rooney and Man Utd. It's definitely more than just tabloid rubbish.
BarnDoor
18-10-2010, 12:27
Looks like it is happening, and I'd say United are fucked.
Foxhound
18-10-2010, 12:39
I changed my mind. With the contract talks broken down, his personal life problems, possibility of a rift between him and the gaffer, it's possible that he'll leave within the next 2 transfer windows.
Dragonfly
18-10-2010, 13:02
He should just take some time off and clear his head, Adriano style. He'll regret leaving Man Utd. He's mentally weaker than I thought.
Lord Shrimpeh
18-10-2010, 14:50
To be fair, you won 3 PL titles, 1 CL and 3 Carling Cups under the Glaziers. On the pitch hasn't been a problem.
It's not looking good for Rooney and Man Utd. It's definitely more than just tabloid rubbish.
True. That was before the recession though (investment was anyway) and also before the high interest payments kicked in and we started making losses. It's bound to catch up eventually. Look at Liverpool, hicks and gillet had an alright year or two but see what's happened now.
If he left for £60mill and we have a £140m plus investment in the squad (his money plus ronaldo) it'd be fine. I really can't see that happening though!!
Billy Minof
18-10-2010, 19:02
I cant see him leaving tbh, I think its just blown out of proportion, United will probably announce he has signed a new deal before the Champions League tie tomorrow night with Fergie laughin his bollox off.
Either that or he will come to Madrid for Benzema and/or Lass and/or money. :D
CDDRodrigo
18-10-2010, 22:48
If he leaves Man Utd to go to Real, Barça will finally have a great opponent.
Not with the way he's been playing recently they won't. He'd be lucky to get ahead of Benzema, and even he isn't starting games these days is he?
CDDRodrigo
19-10-2010, 00:24
Not with the way he's been playing recently they won't. He'd be lucky to get ahead of Benzema, and even he isn't starting games these days is he?
Yes. But Real have got a certain Mourinho... :ninja:
AgentZero
19-10-2010, 04:44
I'm not sure this should just be dismissed as press speculation to be honest, I can definitely see it happening. Under the glazers we've gradually lost our aura and our reputation as an exciting, attacking club that can gain major honours. Ronaldo wouldn't have left unless he thought he could get better elsewhere.I dunno, i've always been on the belief that Ronaldo left because he had won all there could be won at United before he was 25.
You really can't be pinning the blame on the Glazers, as Joel mentioned under their tenure we had 3 premierships, consecutive champions league final appearances (winning 1) and success in the League Cup. If anything post glazer takeover our aura have intensified and improved, Its just that in a matter of a few short months it seems United are all doomed for failure, losing the prem, not making it to the semis of Champions League etc.
uA - 1905
19-10-2010, 04:59
Ronaldo might have preferred living in Madrid to living in Manchester. Even Karl Pilkington escaped from Manchester. Just a thought.
Dundon's
19-10-2010, 05:04
If Rooney does go it'll be a massive setback no matter how people want to paint it. Only a fool will forget the form the kid was in only last season. All he needed was the papers to back off and this whole episode would of been long put to bed. But no, if blaming him for England been useless wasn't enough, they had to dig into his private life and try and destroy his family, which for me I find pathetic and sad.
Look we all know the lad messed up, but the shit he's getting now from all angles is just a joke, at the end of the day who the fuck cares about his personal life, calling a spade a spade he's just a person who is skilled at "kicking a ball around a field". Small reality check needed me thinks.
The media and papers of today are the most disgusting creatures ever to set foot on this planet and something really should be done about them, but then again nobody gives a shit about that as long as X factor is on the front pages from now until after fucking Christmas, this level of insanity I'm having trouble with dealing with.
Billy Minof
19-10-2010, 10:42
If he leaves Man Utd to go to Real, Barça will finally have a great opponent.
The lure of Madrid might be too much for Rooney to resist at this moment of his life, his private life is being picked apart and the English media just love it. Madrid wont buy him in January, that is what Mourinho has said anyway along with Valdano unless something major happens and Rooney becoming available is major, With Kaka coming back in December/Madrid currently playing really well and scoring bags of goals aswell as creating bags of chances, Mourinho having them playing good football aswell as having a great work ethic now in the side and the players he will be surrounded with it all just looks more and more of a possibility, add to that he will be away from the media and can start to rebuild his life with his wife who will also enhance her own reputation with her husband joining Madrid as with Becks and Victoria.....
I still cannot see him leaving though lol.
mufcsean
19-10-2010, 11:05
I can honestly not see him leaving in January. Next summer is doubtful too but i must say the rumours are worrying. I cant wait to see Fergies press conference this afternoon
Sir Alex Ferguson has revealed that striker Wayne Rooney wants to leave Manchester United.
The Old Trafford boss admitted he was "shocked" and "disappointed" to hear the news but said he had not fallen out with the England international.
Ferguson says the "door is still open" for Rooney, 24, to stay at the club he joined from Everton in 2004.
Rooney's contract with the Premier League giants is due to end at the end of the 2011/12 season.
"We are as bemused as anyone can be, we can't quite understand why he would want to leave," Ferguson told a news conference.
Manchester United are due to face Bursaspor in the Champions League on Wednesday but Rooney will not be involved after being stretchered off at the end of training on Tuesday.
More to follow.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/9104392.stm
Personally, I think Rooney would be a moron to leave Utd..........more than he already is at least.
The Messiah
19-10-2010, 14:40
ka9mCmx9Jhs
:crymore:
Foxhound
19-10-2010, 14:47
I can't believe it! Earlier today, there were pictures of him in training having a laugh and now, this.
I say, let him rot in the reserves!
"I was in the office on 14 August and David phoned me to say he (Rooney) wasn't signing a contract," said Ferguson.
:realmad:
Kevthedrummer
19-10-2010, 14:49
Did you hear the press conference? Fergie sounded like he was going to burst into tears at any moment. Not what I was expecting at all! I expected him to brush the issue aside and negotiate with Rooney behind closed doors but judging by what he said, Rooney's made his mind up!
The Messiah
19-10-2010, 14:55
Only the signing of Kun will please me.
BarnDoor
19-10-2010, 14:55
Are we witnessing the crumbling of Manchester United? Let's fucking hope so.
Foxhound
19-10-2010, 15:00
It certainly looks like it. Sir Alex is, what, 69? I remember him saying he won't manage once he reaches 70. Then, the players that needs replacing but hasn't been done. Then, there's the huge debt.
BarnDoor
19-10-2010, 15:08
I wonder what the odds are now on Ferguson packing it in at the end of the season?
Lord Shrimpeh
19-10-2010, 15:26
ka9mCmx9Jhs
:crymore:
I actually nearly cried at that :crymore: Wayne is an idiot, lets hope it's all just spin. I bet it is these agents wispering in players ears. I hope Fergie doesn't go, he's the last link to the old world before all this nonsense started!
Ultimate777
19-10-2010, 15:59
I wonder what the odds are now on Ferguson packing it in at the end of the season?
What the hell has an overrated ungrateful fat son of a bitch wanting to leave got to do with Fergie packing it up at the end of the season?
I for one am glad Rooney wants to leave, because there are better players who can actually take on players and shoot from outside the box who we can get. Who won't shame the club off the pitch doing stupid disgraceful crap like getting drunk until 5:30am and pissing on the streets.
United is and always will be bigger than any player. Ronaldo leaving had more of an effect when he left.
These whining utd supporters saying they're shocked and feel betrayed, well what did they expect from a scumbag who cheats on his wife multiple times and leaves his boyhood club after kissing the badge.
Ultimate777
19-10-2010, 16:03
I actually nearly cried at that :crymore: Wayne is an idiot, lets hope it's all just spin. I bet it is these agents wispering in players ears. I hope Fergie doesn't go, he's the last link to the old world before all this nonsense started!
Do you support manchester united or wayne rooney united?
Why would fergie leave because of one player? Get some neurons and think for once in your life.
Its not spin, the fact is rooney is a lying cheat backstabbing granny and escort shagging piece of scum.
He's lied multiple times in the past regarding what his intentions are and then the actions he puts forwards.
If you want evidence of that I can show how many times this guy has lied to the press about not diving, pretending to be a family man and saying how much he loves it at United just last march, only now to say to fergie on the 14 august that he wants to leave.
Lord Shrimpeh
19-10-2010, 16:11
Do you support manchester united or wayne rooney united?
Why would fergie leave because of one player? Get some nuerons and think for once in your life.
Its not spin, the fact is rooney is a lying cheat backstabbing granny and escort shagging piece of scum.
He's lied multiple times in the past regarding what his intentions are and then the actions he puts forwards.
If you want evidence of that I can show how many times this guy has lied to the press about not diving, pretending to be a family man and saying how much he loves it at United just last march, only now to say to fergie on the 14 august that he wants to leave.
Most players are dicks these days. I must admit despite all of that I'd have thought he genuinely wanted to stay at Man u, he always says he has. These days I doubt we'll find many players who are decent, one club, respectful professionals like Giggs and Scholes ever again. I'm upset more for the club because I worry about our ability to find a replacement (Ronaldo has not been replaced yet) though I don't doubt Fergie in his efforts (I do doubt the glazers!).
Gun_Runner
19-10-2010, 16:17
Possible replacements...?
Luis Suarez
Kun Aguero
Lukaku (sp?) Anderlecht?
I suppose Man Utd have missed him this season - well him in good form anyway
but he is a bellend
Ultimate777
19-10-2010, 16:18
Most players are dicks these days. I must admit despite all of that I'd have thought he genuinely wanted to stay at Man u, he always says he has. These days I doubt we'll find many players who are decent, one club, respectful professionals like Giggs and Scholes ever again. I'm upset more for the club because I worry about our ability to find a replacement (Ronaldo has not been replaced yet) though I don't doubt Fergie in his efforts (I do doubt the glazers!).
We brought Valencia for 16 million to play on the right did we not? Certainly he's not as good as ronaldo but who is besides messi?
As for players being dicks, yes admittedly most footballers are however rarely will you find many having as many issues and controversies as rooney. What I'm talking about is find me a list of players who abuse referees, abuse the fans, cheat on their wives multiple times and contradict the manager when hes trying to protect him for his own good?
I'm so happy this punk has finally been exposed for the waster that he truly is. Do you know how much abuse I've received from blind ignorant united rooney fanboys worshipping this scumbag as if he can't do no wrong?
And yet you still have morons trying to deflect the blame away from rooney on to the glazers and Sir Alex for his disgraceful behaviour.
There is so much better talent out there, it's just most fans have been brainwashed into believing rooney is actually world class and irreplaceable when it's blatantly obvious he isn't.
Before his one off season where he bagged 34 goals, mostly against the likes of wigan, hull and stoke, he averaged 12 goals a season in the league.
Foxhound
19-10-2010, 16:32
Possible replacements...?
Luis Suarez
Kun Aguero
Lukaku (sp?) Anderlecht?
I suppose Man Utd have missed him this season - well him in good form anyway
but he is a bellend
Forlan, maybe. i think there are quotes of him saying that he wants to return to England one day.
Or, use the money to buy a central midfielder.
Bammers05
19-10-2010, 16:35
I still think Rooney'll stay tbh.
I think, if Rooney goes, Fergie will spend the majority of the cash on Kaka' or Sneijder and then a less-known forward who will then turn out to be class. Frightening now I come to think about it...
I suppose you have got Javier Hernandez who has been great when called upon this season, scored a few goals for you already at vital times i.e away at Valencia.
Ultimate777
19-10-2010, 16:59
Forlan, maybe. i think there are quotes of him saying that he wants to return to England one day.
Or, use the money to buy a central midfielder.
As much as I admire forlan, we would not be buying him because of age and resale value.
Cannon ball
19-10-2010, 17:06
My super reliable internets sources inform me he's heading to Chelsea.
nath_scfc
19-10-2010, 17:19
I still think Rooney'll stay tbh.
Same here.
And to whoever said it, Rooney's never scored past us I don't think.
Forlan, maybe. i think there are quotes of him saying that he wants to return to England one day.
I was under the impression Forlan never wanted to return and play for an English club. He said he wouldn't be against leaving Atletico, but ruled out coming back to these shores.
Man United vs Liverpool - Championship play-off 2013. :no:
I still think Rooney'll stay tbh.
Me too.
Fergie and The Shirek will make up soon enough.
Foxhound
19-10-2010, 17:43
I was under the impression Forlan never wanted to return and play for an English club. He said he wouldn't be against leaving Atletico, but ruled out coming back to these shores.
Man United vs Liverpool - Championship play-off 2013. :no:
Now that I've searched for it, he said something along the lines of would not rule out a return to the Premier League if there's any offers.
And Forlan has explained he has yet to receive a concrete offer from any club, but would consider a move if he did.
"It's just the papers. Never, never until now, they never sent any [offers]," Forlan told Reuters in an interview at Atletico's training ground.
"If they send an offer you can decide if you want to go. If there is a good offer and if I have the chance to go, I will go. Like I always say, I came here to Europe, I left my home and I left everyone, so I'm not attached to a team.
Re: The rumours of Spurs wanting to buy him.
I can't honestly see him staying, but I can't imagine him going either. This is all just a bit of a shock.
We apparently offered him a £150,000 a week contract which would have made him the highest paid player at the club - to which he and his agent said he actually would like to leave the club. Even Fergie during the press conference said that he spoke one-to-one with him and Wayne told him that he wants to leave. What else can we do? We can't up the salary offer considering we've been tightening our salary budget, so I don't really know what else Wayne would want. Maybe Coleen has been in his ear? I really know feck all at this point. I did not see this coming a few weeks ago.
I can't see him moving abroad but if he stays in England and moves to City or Chelsea he'll still have the press on his back...
Ultimate777
19-10-2010, 19:15
I really couldnt care less where he moved to, just want to get a good sum of money for him so we can get a proper world class player instead of some fat overweight england media darling pretender.
I'd love to see aguero here so we could help him reach his potential here. Or even take a punt on lukaka and then boost the midfield.
Stormrider
19-10-2010, 19:28
Unfortunate that we lost a player of his caliber, and when I say lost I mean we lost him last season with the injury, the world cup fiasco, and all the personal drama completely fucking wit his form. I don't think he'll ever have as good a season as the last one ever again, so the timing is not actually all that bad to cash in on him. We've moved on from so many big names, Rooney is not going to be an exception.
This is probably good news for Chicharito who should get a big shot of confidence now that his chance of being the main man just shot up even higher and it seems to me like he has what it takes to fill that gap. Also the fact that Berbs is in the form of his life and he has a pretty good understanding with Chicharito, which can only get better, makes this news easier to take imo.
Don't worry, you've got Nani and Macheda to save you! :lmao:
Ultimate777
19-10-2010, 19:44
Don't worry, you've got Nani and Macheda to save you! :lmao:
That's not funny in the slightest. I don't even rate macheda that highly.
We still have nani, berbatov, hernandez as quality players in attacking areas, not to mention valencia when he comes back(albeit if he's the same player as before). You can bet when scholes and giggs hang up their boots at the end of the season, we'll be buying midfield reinforcements. And use the rooney money to buy a real quality striker that doesn't have dips in form every other month.
How would you feel if rooney joined chelsea may I ask? Considering Ancelloti has already admitted he's interested.
The Messiah
19-10-2010, 19:46
Unbeaten in the league & playing shit.
http://blogs.westword.com/showandtell/010haters.jpg
How would you feel if rooney joined chelsea may I ask? Considering Ancelloti has already admitted he's interested.
I'd love him at Chelsea. Him, Torres and Zlatan are the only strikers around right now that could play in our system (replace Drogba) and settle instantly.
Yeah, he's a cunt, but we've got many of them at our club, so he'll fit in very well. I can see him, Terry and Ashley already meeting each other on a Friday night!
But I think he wants to go to Madrid or Barca. I don't see him interested in another English club if he stated he wanted to leave as early as August.
Ultimate777
19-10-2010, 20:00
I'd love him at Chelsea. Him, Torres and Zlatan are the only strikers around right now that could play in our system (replace Drogba) and settle instantly.
Yeah, he's a cunt, but we've got many of them at our club, so he'll fit in very well. I can see him, Terry and Ashley already meeting each other on a Friday night!
But I think he wants to go to Madrid or Barca. I don't see him interested in another English club if he stated he wanted to leave as early as August.
True. Him and drogba would be a good formidable partnership but he'd never fill drogba's boots. He is too hit and miss and carries too much baggage and is now injury prone.
His career will go down the gutter by the time he's 28 because he has no discipline to look after himself properly. You'll have tainted goods on your hands
It's likely he could end up at city in january as they dont have to worry about champions league eligibility.
I'm just sick of him at this club, and cant wait to see the back his ass. He bottles it in the big games, can;t take on players, cant take set pieces, only learnt how to header a ball last season, and if we get over 30 million for this scumbag I'll be laughing
Gun_Runner
19-10-2010, 21:14
Why would you want Zlatan to 'replace' Drogba? for starters hes not half the player as Drogba and I think he's only 2 years younger?
Anyway I doubt Rooney would go to Chelsea...the little cunt will probably fuck off abroad leaving his wife & child
Why would you want Zlatan to 'replace' Drogba? for starters hes not half the player as Drogba and I think he's only 2 years younger?
Yeah, I never actually said I want to replace Drogba with him. I just said that those three are th eonly guys that could replace him well enough in our system.
Anyway I doubt Rooney would go to Chelsea...the little cunt will probably fuck off abroad leaving his wife & child
Or maybe it is his wife who wants to go abroad...
Gun_Runner
19-10-2010, 21:39
Either way, judging from Rooneys form this whole season - he wouldn't be missed an awful lot. Replaceable anyway without doubt
Phatmann
19-10-2010, 21:48
I feel a lot of our fans are being a bit harsh on Rooney. He's obviously not enjoying his football at the moment and as long as he doesn't do a Tevez and say that he won't join a certain team because they're our rivals, then joins another team who are also our rivals, I don't have too much of a problem with it. He's not much use to us in the state he's in, so it's best if we can sort out the transfer as soon as possible. The only thing I am annoyed about is that he obviously felt this during the transfer window so it really should've been sorted then rather than leaving us with a player who wants out all season. His World Cup performance would have probably put some off though.
He made Ferguson not only look like a fool, but also a liar. That's not cool.
Ultimate777
19-10-2010, 22:00
The guy has basically stuck his middle finger up to both the fans, the club and the manager who have supported him and sang his filthy name through thick and thin.
So I dont know how you can say we're being too harsh after everything he's pulled recently.
He had a dodgy world cup, the fans didnt hold it against him, the excuse was he was still carrying an injury
He slags the england fans,'' the excuse is the fans shouldnt have booed in the first place.
He gets drunk and pisses on the streets before the community shield, thats forgotten.
He then cheats on his wife. The fans still back him saying crap like he;s only human. ''boys will be boys''
He contradicts fergie by saying he's not injured yet the fans give him the benefit of the doubt,
Now he refuses to sign a contract and says he wants to leave and what now? You want to blame the glazers, fergie, colleen?
The guys a scumbag of the highest order. Every season he gets himself in trouble of some kind. What more does he have to do before you see him for what he is? Does he have to beat colleen to a bulp? Or hang kai out the window like micheal jackson before you say he's wrong?
Phatmann
19-10-2010, 22:01
He obviously just wanted the truth to be out there and I'm guessing Fergie was keeping it schtum as he was secretly hoping he could convince Rooney to stay. I'd rather Fergie came out with this in the summer but can understand why he didn't.
Bammers05
19-10-2010, 22:49
I'm just sick of him at this club, and cant wait to see the back his ass. He bottles it in the big games, can;t take on players, cant take set pieces, only learnt how to header a ball last season, and if we get over 30 million for this scumbag I'll be laughing
:erm: As someone who has often been a witness to Arsenal being torn apart by Wayne Rooney, I can tell you that he does NOT bottle it in the big games, at least not against us.
Unless, of course, you don't believe Arsenal vs Man Utd games to be 'big games' :ninja:
And, with no disrespect, what you've been saying in this thread does seem like a bit of a knee-jerk reaction. At least wait a few days and hear his side of the story before making your mind up about him.
I still think he'll sign a new contract and stay at Man Utd though tbh.
Ultimate777
19-10-2010, 23:01
:erm: As someone who has often been a witness to Arsenal being torn apart by Wayne Rooney, I can tell you that he does NOT bottle it in the big games, at least not against us.
Unless, of course, you don't believe Arsenal vs Man Utd games to be 'big games' :ninja:
And, with no disrespect, what you've been saying in this thread does seem like a bit of a knee-jerk reaction. At least wait a few days and hear his side of the story before making your mind up about him.
I still think he'll sign a new contract and stay at Man Utd though tbh.
You think scoring against your flower boys is big games? lol
Ngog managed to score against your lot, is he big game player?
Trust me I've had these same views about rooney for a long time there is nothing kneejerk about what I'm saying.
Don't confuse me with the fickle bunch of gloryhunting turncoats who one minute sings the club and players praises when they're winning, then when we drop points then slag off the whole team and club and think the sky is falling.
I've been banned from united forums for exposing rooney when he was boy wonder and people couldnt see the forest for the trees. So don't dare call me knee jerk.
The fact is Gill has put an offer on the table and rooney and his advisors don't even want to entertain the idea of looking at it.
To hell with his side of the story, what he is going to come out with that's going to put him in a better light besides making a drastic u turn similar to gerrard?
Bammers05
19-10-2010, 23:26
You think scoring against you're flower boys is big games? lol
Hmmm. Well, I never mentioned scoring, but seeing as your clearly very angry atm, I'm gonna ignore that and your petty 'flower boys' comment, but what I will say is that Rooney's been owning us since his Everton days and we were hardly 'flower boys' then.
Ngog managed to score against your lot, is he big game player?
Again you say scoring, but since when does scoring mean a player had a good game? I'm talking about his performances against us, which have, mostly, been brilliant. I would go as far as saying his performance at the Emirates last year was on a par with Xavi's in the Champions League, as the best performance from away players at the Emirates ever. In the season before, he was subbed off in the Champions League semi-final against us and was applauded by the Arsenal fans - the first time I can ever remember that happening at the Emirates. I can't talk for his games against other teams that much, but, for what it's worth, his performances have always been top class against us.
Trust me I've had these same views about rooney for a long time there is nothing kneejerk about what I'm saying.
Don't confuse me with the fickle bunch of gloryhunting turncoats who one minute sings the club and players praises when they're winning, then when we drop points then slag off the whole team and club and think the sky is falling.
I'll take your word for that, as, obviously, I don't know you, but I just think your being incredibly harsh on a player who's given you 6 years of terrific service, carried you lot on his own through a large part of last season and who hasn't told his side of the story. Seems pretty fickle to me.
I've been banned from united forums for exposing rooney when he was boy wonder and people couldnt see the forest for the trees. So don't dare call me knee jerk.
Ok, if you've always hated him that much, then I suppose it's not a knee-jerk reaction, but I'm sure you could understand why I thought that way. Nevertheless, if you think that Wayne Rooney's been as poor for you lot as you think he has, then I stand by my assessment of you being fickle. Sorry.
The fact is Gill has put an offer on the table and rooney and his advisors don't even want to entertain the idea of looking at it.
To hell with his side of the story, what he is going to come out with that's going to put him in a better light besides making a drastic u turn similar to gerrard?
There are two sides to every story, mate. At least that's what I believe. We'll just have to wait and hear what he has to say imo.
Cannon ball
19-10-2010, 23:32
I can't see him moving abroad but if he stays in England and moves to City or Chelsea he'll still have the press on his back...
At City? That will be interesting for many reasons, but I'm not sure if it will be the best thing for the club. Tevez is fast reaching god status, and Balotelli, I personally believe could become one of the best players in the world, in his prime at City, which hasn't happened for a very long time. The arrival of Rooney could hinder the development of one of those players, and it may be a case of "if its not broken, don't fix it" depending on how the season goes. Mancini though may see Balotelli as a wide player in a 4-3-3, and there may be a need for another attacking player, and he might see Rooney as one for that role.
Bammers05
19-10-2010, 23:35
At City? That will be interesting for many reasons, but I'm not sure if it will be the best thing for the club. Tevez is fast reaching god status, and Balotelli, I personally believe could become one of the best players in the world, in his prime at City, which hasn't happened for a very long time. The arrival of Rooney could hinder the development of one of those players, and it may be a case of "if its not broken, don't fix it" depending on how the season goes. Mancini though may see Balotelli as a wide player in a 4-3-3, and there may be a need for another attacking player, and he might see Rooney as one for that role.
But then, where will Adebayor play? :hmm:
mufcsean
19-10-2010, 23:49
I can't decide what I think will happen. Fergie didn't seem like there was any chance of persuading Rooney to stay buti just can't see Rooney leaving, despite what he says. It just wouldn't be good for him.
I honestly think if he does leave he will go to Spain, he surely cant join City or Chelsea (the only 2 teams in England that can afford him).
Cannon ball
20-10-2010, 00:33
But then, where will Adebayor play? :hmm:
I can't see Adebayor being around for too much longer. I don't mind him really, he's a very good striker, but I think Mancini rates Balotelli higher than him. If fit, he'll be picked above Adebayor.
Gun_Runner
20-10-2010, 00:37
A bit out there...but I could see a potential Rooney for Benzema swap?
Benzema not always starting for R. Madrid & I know Man Utd were interested before..?
Dundon's
20-10-2010, 01:04
Zema and 20 for Roo would be close to a done deal now if Madrid offered it, but unless you accept a bid from city you're going to get raped for him.
Foxhound
20-10-2010, 06:02
OliverKayTimes: Largely unreported amid Rooney chaos was (genuine) ankle injury sustained in training today in challenge with ... Scholes
It had to be Scholes, doesn't it?
Billy Minof
20-10-2010, 10:38
I think, if Rooney goes, Fergie will spend the majority of the cash on Kaka' or Sneijder and then a less-known forward who will then turn out to be class. Frightening now I come to think about it....
Wont happen, Kaka wont be leaving and if he does then United would have to find more cash to buy him as they are not going to recieve the money needed to buy Kaka for Rooney, City might put in a crazy bid and if accepted he may end up there but Madrid and Barca will not be so crazy and know he only has 18 months on his contract, I cannot see any of them giving more than 30m given his form and contractual situation, the best United could hope for off of Madrid is Benzema and a few quid or Lass and a few quid. This is just lose/lose for United and they should never have left his contract run so low.
Personally I think he already has a deal made with someone and has his mind made up about where he will be going.
I really couldnt care less where he moved to, just want to get a good sum of money for him so we can get a proper world class player instead of some fat overweight england media darling pretender.
I'd love to see aguero here so we could help him reach his potential here. Or even take a punt on lukaka and then boost the midfield.
Its going to be hard to get good money for him though unless he moves to City which wont make any United fans happy.
As for Lukaka, I dont think its a big risk, the man is a beast and England would suit him down to the ground.
He made Ferguson not only look like a fool, but also a liar. That's not cool.
Its not cool if its lies, if its the truth then its very cool.
AgentZero
20-10-2010, 10:55
A bit out there...but I could see a potential Rooney for Benzema swap?
Benzema not always starting for R. Madrid & I know Man Utd were interested before..?
first thing that popped into me mind when the story first surfaced. I really hope Wazza doesnt leave, the way this has come about has really left a bad taste in my mouth and i presume most united fans too.
Ultimate777
20-10-2010, 11:06
A bit out there...but I could see a potential Rooney for Benzema swap?
Benzema not always starting for R. Madrid & I know Man Utd were interested before..?
We don't need another fat lazy overrated arrogant player such as benzema on our books who is a pedophile
Billy Minof
20-10-2010, 11:06
first thing that popped into me mind when the story first surfaced. I really hope Wazza doesnt leave, the way this has come about has really left a bad taste in my mouth and i presume most united fans too.
I just watched a clip from Revista last night and both Graham Hunter and Guillem Balague have said that Madrid are interested but it may be too late as a deal is already in place at Man City, both Mourinho and F. Perez want Rooney at Madrid according to them and have known for the past month that he wasnt going to sign a new contract at United. Guillem Balague also said though that what will end it all is if Rooney gets a bumper deal off United and stays.
Am I the only one who thinks Kaka has been dump for the past couple of seasons?
Its not cool if its lies, if its the truth then its very cool.
All Ferguson is trying to do is protect his player and give him an excuse for being so shit for the last couple of months.
If he can't appreciate that, then he really doesn't care. I don't like Manchester United and I don't really like Ferguson, but all he asked of Rooney was to respect the club.
AgentZero
20-10-2010, 12:50
Am I the only one who thinks Kaka has been dump for the past couple of seasons?
hes had niggling injuries, recently had surgery on a knee. On a scale of 1 to Hargreaves, hes still around a 2.
All Ferguson is trying to do is protect his player and give him an excuse for being so shit for the last couple of months.
If he can't appreciate that, then he really doesn't care. I don't like Manchester United and I don't really like Ferguson, but all he asked of Rooney was to respect the club.
i could kiss your right now
Billy Minof
20-10-2010, 14:02
hes had niggling injuries, recently had surgery on a knee. On a scale of 1 to Hargreaves, hes still around a 2.
How would you rate him so low considering he played most of last season and the WC, he may have been injured but at least he was willing to put that aside and play through the pain barrier, he is going to be a beast once he returns and Mo will get the best out of him and his best is yet to come.
@Joel, you dont know what was said behind closed doors only what Ferguson is spewing, I notice most managers have the dignity not to mention Rooney joining there teams, would Ferguson do the same, I dont think so.
Apparently Rooney is going to release a statement later on today. Could be interesting.
Dragonfly
20-10-2010, 17:19
Apparently Rooney is going to release a statement later on today. Could be interesting.
Apparently, every word will be underlined by a red wavy line.
Foxhound
20-10-2010, 17:54
"I met with David Gill last week and he did not give me any of the assurances I was seeking about the future squad.
Shouldn't he ask Sir Alex that? David Gill isn't the one that buys and sells players.
According to a brief report on Sky Sports, Rooney has said he's not leaving because of the money but because Manchester United aren't meeting his ambitions. It's seems to now have gone too far to be purely playing hardball over a new contract, there's just some things that are a bit silly to say when still playing for the club so I hope his full report isn't as 'foot in the mouth' as the brief report.
I fail to see how a club like Manchester United fail to meet a player's ambitions, after competing well in the Champions League (and winning!) and also winning the remaining English trophies. He could have at least said he wants a new challenge, that would have been more feasible! Anyway, lets just wait for his full report which is imminent I believe.
Foxhound
20-10-2010, 18:05
The full statement.
But now Rooney - who has just 18-months left on his current deal, has released a statement outlining his decision to seek a move away from United.
Rooney has been quick to deny that any moves away from the club would be financially motivated, insisting that the club's lack of investment in their squad is the primary factor.
"I met with David Gill [United chief executive] last week and he did not give me any of the assurances I was seeking about the future squad," Rooney confirms.
"I then told him that I would not be signing a new contract."
Rooney also admitted he was shocked by Ferguson's comments on Tuesday, adding: "I was interested to hear what Sir Alex had to say yesterday and surprised by some of it.
"It is absolutely true, as he said, that my agent and I have had a number of meetings with the club about a new contract. During those meetings in August I asked for assurances about the continued ability of the club to attract the top players in the world.
"I have never had anything but complete respect for MUFC. How could I not have done given its fantastic history and especially the last six years in which I have been lucky to play a part?
"For me its all about winning trophies - as the club has always done under Sir Alex. Because of that I think the questions I was asking were justified."
The England star insisted that he would always 'owe' something to Ferguson.
"Despite recent difficulties, I know I will always owe Sir Alex Ferguson a
huge debt. He is a great manager and mentor who has helped and supported me from the day he signed me from Everton when I was only 18," he said.
"For Manchester United's sake I wish he could go on forever because he's a one off and a genius."
Anyone buying it?
Ultimate777
20-10-2010, 18:23
PR Stunt rubbish, playing his last trump card to rile up the supporters and deflect the blame away from himself and try and place it on the owners.
One season without the title from just one point and he wants to leave?
He's taking people for mugs, it's about the money for this fat mong.
Someone has been yanking Wayne's chain and been in his ear telling him he will be offered more money if he went to this or that club. Possibly tapping up, but every club does it.
At the end of the day, if you're offered another job with higher pay in the real world, you take it. The only hinderence within the football world is, is £150,000 a week not enough? I guess unless we're in a similar position, we'll never know.
I thought he was offered 150,000 a week.
Foxhound
20-10-2010, 18:32
Someone on RedCafe sums it up perfectly. Rooney's saying that United won't be winning trophies anymore. I'm off!
It's really disappointing when in November, he was talking about emulating Giggs, hopes that he can reach 800 appearances, etc.
Gun_Runner
20-10-2010, 18:34
Apparently he was offered £150,000 a week AFTER TAX with Man Utd, which is fucking £300,000 a week before tax...
The only team that could top that are Man City and surely he wouldn't be so silly..?
From that statement I think he's pissed off Man Utd didn't sign anyone in the summer & still haven't signed the quality near Ronaldo
Someone on RedCafe sums it up perfectly.
It's really disappointing when in November, he was talking about emulating Giggs, hopes that he can reach 800 appearances, etc.
Footballers can change their mind just like the weather. :lol:
He's not going to another English club and its going to be sad to see him leave our game. Its taken years to build a reputation and a love for a team but only one moment to break it in Wayne's eyes. Like Foxhound, I remember him saying shit like wanting to do what Ryan Giggs has done, back then, I wouldn't be surprised if Rooney did it. But loyalty isn't loyalty anymore in football, its business.
Wanting to leave because they arent winning? They won 3 Premier League titles, a three-peat. In any sport, thats a massive achievement and only last year they were out performed by Chelsea. But it was a 'rebuilding' phase in some sort of way because Tevez and Ronaldo had left, only now we are seeing what Berbatov, Nani and Hernandez could do. Next year, if Rooney stays, that four will destroy teams.
Ultimate777
20-10-2010, 18:51
He's not going to another English club and its going to be sad to see him leave our game. Its taken years to build a reputation and a love for a team but only one moment to break it in Wayne's eyes. Like Foxhound, I remember him saying shit like wanting to do what Ryan Giggs has done, back then, I wouldn't be surprised if Rooney did it. But loyalty isn't loyalty anymore in football, its business.
Wanting to leave because they arent winning? They won 3 Premier League titles, a three-peat. In any sport, thats a massive achievement and only last year they were out performed by Chelsea. But it was a 'rebuilding' phase in some sort of way because Tevez and Ronaldo had left, only now we are seeing what Berbatov, Nani and Hernandez could do. Next year, if Rooney stays, that four will destroy teams.
Are you off your head? You still think and would welcome rooney staying after all the crap he's played?
Get your rooney posters off the wall and start supporting the team instead believing one overrated player is the be and end all of Manchester United.
There is no way back for rooney after todays spin trying to take people for mugs and rile up supporters so he looks good.. Do you reallly think Gill told rooney that we are broke in the middle of convincing him to sign a new contract? Seriously?
And if he was so concerned about signings, why not ask the manager directly?
There are so many holes and contradictions in his statements it would be laughable if we didn't have naive supporters who crave and demand trophies and 40million signings every transfer window.
Foxhound
20-10-2010, 18:57
He's not going to another English club and its going to be sad to see him leave our game. Its taken years to build a reputation and a love for a team but only one moment to break it in Wayne's eyes. Like Foxhound, I remember him saying shit like wanting to do what Ryan Giggs has done, back then, I wouldn't be surprised if Rooney did it. But loyalty isn't loyalty anymore in football, its business.
Wanting to leave because they arent winning? They won 3 Premier League titles, a three-peat. In any sport, thats a massive achievement and only last year they were out performed by Chelsea. But it was a 'rebuilding' phase in some sort of way because Tevez and Ronaldo had left, only now we are seeing what Berbatov, Nani and Hernandez could do. Next year, if Rooney stays, that four will destroy teams.
I suppose that United could do that. The club successfully won the argument (re:Heinze) when he seemed desperate to join Liverpool. There was something in the documents saying that United will accept bids in Euros, not Pounds.
Are you off your head? You still think and would welcome rooney staying after all the crap he's played?
Get your rooney posters off the wall and start supporting the team instead believing one overrated player is the be and end all of Manchester United.
There is no way back for rooney after todays spin trying to take people for mugs and rile up supporters so he looks good.. Do you reallly think Gill told rooney that we are broke in the middle of convincing him to sign a new contract? Seriously?
And if he was so concerned about signings, why not ask the manager directly?
There are so many holes and contradictions in his statements it would be laughable if we didn't have naive supporters who crave and demand trophies and 40million signings every transfer window.
Motherfucker I dont support Manchester United, only voicing concerns over this situation from a different stand point.
Ultimate777
20-10-2010, 19:40
Motherfucker I dont support Manchester United, only voicing concerns over this situation from a different stand point.
Ah well that explains why you aint got a clue.
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