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muscularmatt
21-07-2011, 20:11
A youngster like Jones won't get a first 11 number at United. Not yet anyway.
At Blackburn yes. Doesn't mean he will be given that number here when they are confirmed.
1 David DeGea
4 Phil Jones
18 Ashley Young
those numbers are for the US tour I believe.
Team for tonight vs Chicago Fire
De Gea; Fabio, Smalling, Jones, Evra (c); Obertan, Carrick, Cleverley, Welbeck; Diouf, Berbatov
Excited to see the likes of De Gea, Smalling, Jones, Cleverly and Welbeck.
those numbers are for the US tour I believe.
No, Phil Jones' Dad told me, so it's all official and stuff...
Phatmann
24-07-2011, 01:44
Did anyone else catch the match? We beat Chicago Fire 3-1 after going 1-0 down early on. Rooney, Rafael and Nani scored for us while Cory Gibbs scored for them with a header that De Gea probably should have come out for but at the same time Smalling shouldn't have lost his man. It seems that Fergie plans on using Smalling and Evans as the back up for the full back positions which is a little disappointing but I'd be interested to see how Smalling fares as a full back as he seems comfortable dribbling forward with the ball. Welbeck was very impressive against Chicago and I look forward to seeing him more often in the first team this season.
Ultimate777
24-07-2011, 01:54
Saw nani's lob and celebration. How did De Gea do overall?
Phatmann
24-07-2011, 02:00
Other than the goal which he probably could've come out for, he made 2 half decent saves and a few commanding catches and didn't slice any passes. A 6-7/10 performance. I imagine he will be tested more in the games against MLS Allstars and Barcelona if he plays the full 90 minutes of both games.
Joel has won his bet with F777
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,20876_7059026,00.html
AgentZero
24-07-2011, 10:13
smokes and mirrors lol.
Bammers05
24-07-2011, 11:35
Joel has won his bet with F777
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,20876_7059026,00.html
No, because Ferguson was implying that Man Utd would definitely sign Sneijder.
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No, because Ferguson was implying that Man Utd would definitely sign Sneijder.
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Ultimate777
24-07-2011, 13:04
Joel has won his bet with F777
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,20876_7059026,00.html
You really are eager for me to be proven wrong in this bet. Unfortunately for you and joel it's not going to happen. Read the quotes instead of the headline and again you will notice Fergie reiterates ''at the moment'' which doesn't rule out next week or the next 5 weeks where we've got time to seal the deal.
You can't will this away, no matter how much you want me to lose this bet. And I'm sure you're not that naive enough to believe that fergie would publicly disclose transfer details to the media?
Ultimate777
24-07-2011, 13:10
:laugh: Joel was right.
How is Joel right when the window isn't closed and we are still in negotiations with Inter? You wishing and wanting him to be right doesn't mean he is.
Ferguson will buy a central midfielder. Man United are going to get an absolute mauling from Man City in the Community Shield, which will cause Ferguson to panic and buy someone.
But it won't be Sneijder.
How is Joel right when the window isn't closed and we are still in negotiations with Inter? You wishing and wanting him to be right doesn't mean he is.
Oh for fuck sake, wake up. It's getting embarrassing now.
Could be ... Sneijder ... Jeffrey Sneijder that is :lol:
I wouldn't be surprised if they bought someone like Scott Parker in on loan, completely out of leftfield.
Ultimate777
24-07-2011, 13:18
Ferguson will buy a central midfielder. Man United are going to get an absolute mauling from Man City in the Community Shield, which will cause Ferguson to panic and buy someone.
But it won't be Sneijder.
Oh for fuck sake, wake up. It's getting embarrassing now.
You're ignorance is getting tiresome. Even though this has happened before and a representative from sneijder or inter have come out a few days later only to contradict the posturing words from fergie you ignore it?
But anything that so much as hints that a deal may not be on, you jump on it? The same Sky sports that you claimed only reported bullshit you now want to take as gospel when it suits your argument?
You have no idea what's happening behind the scenes, if you did, then you'd understand why fergie is telling the media all the in's and out of this transfer.
Boring post that we have heard 6,000,000 times in 3 weeks.
Whatever. I wonder what nonsense you're going to come up with when Sneijder is not a Manchester United player on Septembers 1st?
Whatever. I wonder what nonsense you're going to come up with when Sneijder is not a Manchester United player on Septembers 1st.
Financial Fair Play Rules? :D
Financial Fair Play Rules? :D
He had a wonky eyelid so he failed his medical.
http://www.pesgaming.com/picture.php?albumid=210&pictureid=1283
:folarm:
You're ignorance is getting tiresome.
http://marketingtomilk.files.wordpres s.com/2011/07/pot_calling_kettle_black.jpg?w =180&h=180
Lord Shrimpeh
26-07-2011, 09:00
Fergie says no more signings as we couldn't get the players he wanted http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jul/25/manchester-united-sir-alex-ferguson I wish he wouldn't do this every year, ruins the fun for everyone! I think we definitely need a playmaker so he should have just shut up and kept trying to sign someone
Dragonfly
26-07-2011, 11:02
Well, he used the phrase "at the moment". I'm not sure what that means.
I remember he said something similar before we signed Berbatov. But If (BIG if) we do sign someone else this summer I can't see it being Sneijder :/.
I was hoping Gibson would of been sold by now, as I want Cleverly to be given the time on the pitch that Gibson is currently getting.
I really would like to see the likes of Pogba, Morrison and W. Keane given a chance in the CC, see how they cope with playing on a bigger stage. Next season is going to be a really interesting.
Phatmann
26-07-2011, 18:33
I remember he said something similar before we signed Berbatov. But If (BIG if) we do sign someone else this summer I can't see it being Sneijder :/.
I was hoping Gibson would of been sold by now, as I want Cleverly to be given the time on the pitch that Gibson is currently getting.
I really would like to see the likes of Pogba, Morrison and W. Keane given a chance in the CC, see how they cope with playing on a bigger stage. Next season is going to be a really interesting.
I'm sure I read that they're going to sort that out when Fergie gets back from the US tour. He was left out of our squad for the US tour like Kuszczak so it's almost certain that they won't be playing for us next season, unless no-one wants either of them which I doubt is the case.
I'd like to see more of Cleverley too but what I've seen of him so far hasn't filled me with confidence. Welbeck on the other hand has impressed me a lot over the last 6 months and I hope he gets more opportunities but can't see it considering our options up front and out wide.
Ultimate777
26-07-2011, 19:54
http://www.manutd.com/en/Tour-2011/Tour-2011-News/2011/Jul/Gill-on-summer-transfers.aspx
Are you listening Joel?
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Phatmann
26-07-2011, 20:16
Yes, it seems certain that we'll be bringing someone in but they'll probably wait until after the US tour. I expect it will be in central midfield as he seems happy to shift the defence around if cover is needed for the full back positions.
Anyone watching the MLS Allstars game tomorrow/Thursday morning? Is it a 1:30am kick off? I may be able to stretch to watching the whole game if it is.
I think the MLS is a late one. 3am? I think.
Its the Barca game(3 days later) thats midnight or 1am.
AgentZero
26-07-2011, 22:02
I had a dream both Jovetic and Gourcuff played for us.... it wasn't a happy one.
Think there is too much hype over our current youth players, I mean Keane,Morrison and Pogba are excelling in the games they play, but the hype was here same time last season over the possibility of seeing Davide Petrucci play. Also Eikrem and King are probably higher in the line to become a substitute for this season? Anyway on topic, hopefully a new CM with a bit of flair will be brought, I have a soft spot for Mikel Arteta.
I'm pretty sure Eikrem has transfered to Molde as Ole took him with him. I also believe king is going out on loan to a German club I think?
Edit: ah it's only a rumour..Borussia Mönchengladbach (It's apparently a loan deal with option to buy permanently)
I think you're right about Eikrem. Pogba looks half decent and hopefully Morrison can stop acting like a douche off the pitch.
I too like the sound of Arteta, but he's shown to be a little too injury prone in the last year or so...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14306707.stm
The more I see that blue kit in action the more I like it!
Edit:
Cheers for the link man. Would rep but need to spread the love :/
The match tonight is 1.30am KO.
I thought it was much later than that.
Phatmann
27-07-2011, 21:39
The match tonight is 1.30am KO.
I thought it was much later than that.
The coverage starts at 1:30am but the kick-off is at 2am. The Man U site quotes 19:00 EDT as the kick-off. I don't think I'm gonna be able to watch it but hopefully there will be highlights available on youtube in the morning. If you're watching it Apps, you'll have to give us a match report.
Yeh man. Am hoping to watch it. I will put my thoughts in here during/afterwards... If I remember.
Proper shit myself earlier as BBC put some stupid headline about Hernandez being injured and in hospital overnight. Apparently he's got a slight concussion after a little accident in training. Not sure if he's going to play tonight but I'm hoping we put out a strong team.
If I were SAF I would go with:
De Gea
Rafeal Smalling Vidic Fabio
Carrick Anderson/Giggs
Nani Rooney Young
Berbatov
Phil Jones was a bit shakey the other day so maybe he will get a run out and I expect Kiko, Owen, Cleverly and Welbeck to all get a run out too.
IronCity
27-07-2011, 22:10
This actually makes a broadcast on ESPN2 in the U.S. I love the little tug of war ESPN and FoxSoccer channel are doing with european football. I win in the end. It was wild that the UEFA championship was played on the regular Fox channel; even if I had to endure the U.S. commentary drawing comparisons of the game to the NFL.
Oh man. The amount of times I've been watching games with American commentary (totally legal of course :shifty:) it's really cringeworthy some of the shit they say.
However I love watching the NFL and it's commentary.
Phatmann
27-07-2011, 22:18
I hope Chris Smallings isn't playing tonight. :cringe:
The commentary in the UK is hardly exceptional so I don't mind the US commentary on the most part but when they make really stupid, basic mistakes it really is irritating.
Phatmann, you aint nothing but a hater, dawg.
ESPN had Touré and Marquez in our starting line up against Internacional the other day. Smh.
Edit: It was FOX
http://i56.tinypic.com/x5s36e.jpg
Yeah Phatts, stop hating.
He could be a lot worse, he could be David Luiz ;)
IronCity
28-07-2011, 01:03
do you fellas in the U.K. have foxsoccer channel? Sometimes I think the world is larger than it is.
muscularmatt
28-07-2011, 01:05
Nope, it's all about SkySports here.
Not because they are popular, but because they have a monopoly on the broadcasting rights for everything.
IronCity
28-07-2011, 02:10
Nope, it's all about SkySports here.
Not because they are popular, but because they have a monopoly on the broadcasting rights for everything.
I was starting to wonder given the Rupert Murdoch USA-Great Britain connection.
lovely 1-2 on edge of box from berba and Rooney. Rooney then slots the pass to Anderson who scores...with his right foot!
2-0 park right on HT. I have soo much love for this little fella!
First two goals were lovely.
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Wonder whether this will be the season Anderson makes the step up, he's got the talent its just getting a consistent run in the team and putting in the performances.
AgentZero
28-07-2011, 11:46
would love to see more flair from him though..because so far we have seen more Emerson than Ronaldinho from him.
Ando did really well last night, he pretty much ran the show. He often came deep to the defence to pick up the ball and move it up the pitch and then on the attack he would make a run into the box (ala first goal).He was much better than Carrick who, at times, struggled to pass the ball any further than 15/20 yards.
Welbeck and Diouf are pacey as fook.
I was a little dissapointed with Young last night. Put in a few good crosses but I'd like to see him trying and take on a fullback more often rather than a quick 1-2 and simply trying to outpace the fullback everytime. He could do with being put on the same diet and gym sessions as Valencia was, bulk him up abit but not so it affects his pace.
Kiko was trying waaaaay to hard which resulted in him losing possession a few times, when taking on a player to get that half a yard to get a shot away he always takes the wrong direction and runs into trouble.
Rooney was fantastic yet again. I hope he takes this form into the season.
Oh and before I forget... Lindegard was brilliant. Granted all shots were from long range but he made some fantastic saves (especially from Beckhams whipped curling shots). I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see the season start with Lindegard at number 1, it would probably be until De Gea can speak English though. Amos was solid too in the second half.
Jones looked a little shakey at right back but second half he played CB next to Vidic and looked alot more comfortable. He made a few mistakes but he managed to get the ball back straight after on every occasion. He's surprisingly good in a foot race too.
IronCity
28-07-2011, 13:24
Jones looked a little shakey at right back but second half he played CB next to Vidic and looked alot more comfortable. He made a few mistakes but he managed to get the ball back straight after on every occasion. He's surprisingly good in a foot race too.
I thought Jones looked stiff as a board, however. Poor hip turn. I could imagine some good dribblers dancing around him.
Iron, are you a real redneck american? :D
i ask because there's lots of immigration in the US
Ali_BWFC
29-07-2011, 12:02
That was a rather bizzare question.
Makavelian
30-07-2011, 21:04
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/07/30/did-cia-wipe-rio-ferdinand-s-white-house-snaps-off-twitter-115875-23306915/:lol:
Phatmann
30-07-2011, 23:35
For anyone who is about to watch the Man U v Barca game, the teams:
MUFC: De Gea, Rafael, Vidic, Evans, Evra, Nani, Cleverley, Anderson, Young, Rooney, Welbeck
Barca: Valdes, Abidal, Fontas, Dos Santos, Alcantara, Iniesta, Keita, Busquets, Pedro, Villa, Afellay
I'm looking forward to seeing how Cleverley does in the middle as I'm still unconvinced by him and I'd also like to see a more impressive display from Young.
I can understand Welbecks involvement but Cleverly? He hasn't exactly shone during the pre-season tour. I'm hoping he goes on to prove me wrong though as it's not over yet.
I really hope we play well tonight!
edit: full 90k Stadium..Not bad for USA!
IronCity
31-07-2011, 01:55
If this stupid U.S. announcer says "Van De Sar" is showing good footwork one more time I am going to.......well I don't know what I'll do.
I can understand Welbecks involvement but Cleverly? He hasn't exactly shone during the pre-season tour. I'm hoping he goes on to prove me wrong though as it's not over yet
Only saw the second half, but Cleverly playing pretty well.
A good result and some good signs for the season as far as squad depth.
First real view de Gea, confident coming off his line and looks positive in his decisions.
Feeling better for 2011-12 season now.
Only saw the second half, but Cleverly playing pretty well.
He was alot better in the second half. Really upped his game. Few mistakes but what do you expect from such a young player..Looking forward to seeing him play for us in the premier league.
What a miss by Owen.
Oh well.. He scored the one that mattered.
Anyways.. Im confident in out squad. De Gea has shown great feet and is brilliant at spreading the ball about. Welbeck was fucking great! So glad he's staying and Diouf has been pretty good this pre-season..very strong and fast.
Phatmann
31-07-2011, 02:07
Only saw the second half, but Cleverly playing pretty well.
Cleverley had a very good game and looked a lot more comfortable than I've seen him before. Welbeck continues to look a great prospect and let's hope that Rafael's injury isn't too serious. Smalling's confidence going forward as a full back is quite useful though. He reminds me a bit of a young John O'Shea in that respect.
Anyone got a link to Owen's miss? He tweeted that he's never really let misses bother him as he believes about being in the right place at the right time, but he knows that was an abolustely sitter he missed.
Nice finish for the goal, mind you.
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It did kinda bouce up weird, tbf.
Far from the worst I've ever seen.
Cesc Fabregas
31-07-2011, 12:36
Not the worst, but it's bad anyway. He got a great goal though so hope he isn't too upset.
Makavelian
31-07-2011, 13:41
Glad i stayed up to watch the match.It was far from a friendly.Owen missed a sitter:lol:.Chris Smalling was fucking beast at right back,never new he was so skillful.Cleverly is taking Carrick's place soon. Nani played a blinder, Valencia would have been proud of.
Phatmann
31-07-2011, 13:48
The one thing we've all failed to mention, it's like the elephant in the room, is Ashley Young's performance. Once again he overhit crosses, gave the ball away, tried to take people on and failed and unfortunately that's exactly what he's done in all the other matches in pre-season so far. I'm sure he'll improve as the season goes on but at the moment I'd much rather see Danny Welbeck playing out wide.
muscularmatt
31-07-2011, 13:51
He'll still kick ass. I've said this before and I reiterate now, in a couple of season's time, Ashley Young will be one of the best players in the world.
The one thing we've all failed to mention, it's like the elephant in the room, is Ashley Young's performance. Once again he overhit crosses, gave the ball away, tried to take people on and failed and unfortunately that's exactly what he's done in all the other matches in pre-season so far. I'm sure he'll improve as the season goes on but at the moment I'd much rather see Danny Welbeck playing out wide.
I wasn't happy with the purchase from day one. Seemed unnecessary. He brings nothing new and is rather one dimensional in his play.
Still, he's better than Obertan.
He'll still kick ass. I've said this before and I reiterate now, in a couple of season's time, Ashley Young will be one of the best players in the world.
:lmao:
He's a very good winger. But he doesn't have anything special that will make him a great winger. So let's forget being one of the best in the world.
Nani has looked very impressive, if anything the sale of Young has given him a boot up the behind.
Nani has looked very impressive, if anything the sale of Young has given him a boot up the behind.
Don't go getting my hopes up :realmad:
I wouldn't worry about Young's pre-season performances. It took Valencia some time to find form again when he first joined us, and I'd hope the same would happen with Young.
I heard SAF was bigging up Cleverley after the Barca game. Could he really be deployed in the central midfield position? Always saw him more as an attacking winger...
:facepalm:
God. I'm catching your alzheimers. These malapropisms are becoming too frequent
I wouldn't worry about Young's pre-season performances. It took Valencia some time to find form again when he first joined us, and I'd hope the same would happen with Young.
I heard SAF was bigging up Cleverley after the Barca game. Could he really be deployed in the central midfield position? Always saw him more as an attacking winger...
But Young was average before signing. At least Valencia showed some promise...
Cleverley played really well in the centre. Good work rate & positioning. How he'll cope against a more physical midfield will probably be the decider.
I think Cleverley deserves his chance, he was decent for Wigan last year and at least he tries to move play forward .. unlike the Carrick Crab.
I don't see Young as a world beater, but I wouldn't say he was average before. He was playing for a very poor Villa team yet still looking the best player on the park. He's probably at Valencia's level but I'd take that over Nani, who despite having his best season, is still too inconsistent and hasn't progressed enough in his time at the club.
I say try use him as makeweight to try push through a deal for Sneijder. We need Inter to go for Tevez as they'd need to balance the books, and offloading Sneijder would do that. If Nani went the other way we'd save a bit on his wages, also.
That said, I can't realistically see us signing another player before the end of the window, unless we spend silly money on "British potential"...
muscularmatt
31-07-2011, 14:30
Young is easily more talented that Valencia. Surely?
Young is easily more talented that Valencia. Surely?
Why, because he's British? :)
I can't see it, to be honest. If Valencia was still at Wigan and Young at Villa there wouldn't be a clear preference on who we signed. I'll make my mind up on Young at the end of the season, but £16m for a player in the final year of his contract was expensive.
Young is easily more talented that Valencia. Surely?
Faster? Yes, but that's about it. His crossing/passing is below par, he isn't a clinical finisher, on the ball he puts his head down an has little real awareness of team-mates, not the greatest dribbler & average ball control.
Valencia is slower, have a slightly better delivery, possibly a better finisher, has greater awareness and passing, has the ability to beat a man and has far superior control and touch when receiving the ball.
Keep Nani & bench Young to cover injuries, or farm him out to minimise the cost, but by no means should he be in the first 11 on any kind of regular basis.
That's my opinion anyway.
It was an odd deal. Why didn't United wait 12 months when he would be a free agent?
Possibly feared someone else would pip us to him? Chelsea, Citeh, perhaps?
I'd have Young as a better finisher than Valencia. AV looks like he just puts his head down and just hits the ball, hoping it goes in.
muscularmatt
31-07-2011, 14:39
Why, because he's British? :)
Maaaaybe.
Perhaps I'm just being more optimistic about him because I want him to become that player for England.
It was an odd deal. Why didn't United wait 12 months when he would be a free agent?
I think the real question is why we bothered at all?
I'd have Young as a better finisher than Valencia. AV looks like he just puts his head down and just hits the ball, hoping it goes in.
I did say possibly... I don't think either could be relied on as a source for goals.
Maaaaybe.
Perhaps I'm just being more optimistic about him because I want him to become that player for England.
That's some serious optimism there Matt :laugh:
Possibly feared someone else would pip us to him? Chelsea, Citeh, perhaps?
I'd have Young as a better finisher than Valencia. AV looks like he just puts his head down and just hits the ball, hoping it goes in.
Only Liverpool were seriously interested though, maybe Chelsea, certainly not City.
muscularmatt
31-07-2011, 14:44
But I'm seriously, I maintain that Ashley Young is a much better player than Tony Valencia. You will all see in time that I'm right, and have more money than you.
Makavelian
31-07-2011, 15:33
The one thing we've all failed to mention, it's like the elephant in the room, is Ashley Young's performance. Once again he overhit crosses, gave the ball away, tried to take people on and failed and unfortunately that's exactly what he's done in all the other matches in pre-season so far. I'm sure he'll improve as the season goes on but at the moment I'd much rather see Danny Welbeck playing out wide.
Yes his end product has been poor on this tour.
I just can't see him getting in a full strength utd team.
Ultimate777
31-07-2011, 22:59
Seen that. Are you shitting your pants yet Joel? When he was asked about united he just walked away and gave a wily grin.
And inter have confirmed they've received a bid.
When asked if he is flattered to be linked with Manchester United, he laughed and said, "I am not".
Ouch. That's got to sting.
Have they confirmed who has placed the bid though? It's probably PSG! :D
Ultimate777
31-07-2011, 23:05
When asked if he is flattered to be linked with Manchester United, he laughed and said, "I am not".
Ouch. That's got to sting.
:laugh: obviously hes not going to give too much away and give privy info on private ongoing negotiations.
Anyway like sniejder keeps saying ''we'll see''
He doesn't want you, 777. Ferguson has said he must accept their offer, but it is short of what he wants. and he isn't taking a pay cut, dude.
I will LOL if you do increase your offer to him though. The MIGHTY Manchester United being owned by another man. Rooney was the first if you're not following.
I don't think Sneijder is a good fit for the system used at United seeing as they are now operating 4-4-2 again.
Ultimate777
31-07-2011, 23:21
He doesn't want you, 777. Ferguson has said he must accept their offer, but it is short of what he wants. and he isn't taking a pay cut, dude.
I will LOL if you do increase your offer to him though. The MIGHTY Manchester United being owned by another man. Rooney was the first if you're not following.
You've changed your tune. A couple of weeks back it was there was no interest. Now you're jumping to conclusions saying there is an offer but sniejder isn't going to accept it.
Sounds like you're panicking. I'm not worried in the slightest.
As for being owned. How many mercenaries have owned chelsea? Terry is your manager ffs with lampard his assistant. Those two players run chelsea
Cannon ball
31-07-2011, 23:21
I don't think Sneijder is a good fit for the system used at United seeing as they are now operating 4-4-2 again.
After watching him in the preseason friendly, definitely agree. Today proved he cannot play the central midfield role anywhere near as well as he plays the number ten role. If you think he's a Scholes replacement type player, then that is wrong.
After watching him in the preseason friendly, definitely agree. Today proved he cannot play the central midfield role anywhere near as well as he plays the number ten role. If you think he's a Scholes replacement type player, then that is wrong.
Inter will probably play him wide on the right of the front three as Gasperini is a stout 3-4-3 man. To be honest, Inter may as well sell him as that system doesn't suit him at all either. He needs to be the apex of a midfield three.
Ultimate777
31-07-2011, 23:26
After watching him in the preseason friendly, definitely agree. Today proved he cannot play the central midfield role anywhere near as well as he plays the number ten role. If you think he's a Scholes replacement type player, then that is wrong.
He;s played centre midfield many times for holland and has occupied the role sufficiently. One off game in a pre season friendly doesn't change that.
Makavelian
31-07-2011, 23:27
He isn't worth that wage.He's good but not that good.When was the last time fergie signed a accomplished star like this?.It isn't fergie's or utd's style.Every year Utd get linked with these player's who are world beater's but they never happen and i'm nearly 100% sure this won't neither. I believe Fergie has faith in Anderson to produce.
You've changed your tune. A couple of weeks back it was there was no interest. Now you're jumping to conclusions saying there is an offer but sniejder isn't going to accept it.
Sounds like you're panicking. I'm not worried in the slightest.
As for being owned. How many mercenaries have owned chelsea? Terry is your manager ffs with lampard his assistant. Those two players run chelsea
I was wrong about that. Admittedly. However, I have always maintained it wouldn't happen because of the wages. Always. And if what we hear is true, then that is the stumbling block and Sneijder isn't going to budge - as I said.
So you're going to be butt fucked again.
We don't have anyone over £200,000. You have one and if you want Sneijder, then that's two. We also don't have the glamour of Manchester United, yet players are still demanding massive wages at your club.
"Bend over, sir. I got something big for you!"
Cannon ball
31-07-2011, 23:35
He;s played centre midfield many times for holland and has occupied the role sufficiently. One off game in a pre season friendly doesn't change that.
He was at his most effective in the World Cup, in a midfield 3 with De Jong and Van Bommel doing the donkey work, leaving him as a pivot in the team, and thats how you get the best out of him. It was the same at Inter when they won the treble. One of the reasons he didn't do so well at Real, was from playing in the centre of a 4-4-2.
Ultimate777
31-07-2011, 23:36
I was wrong about that. Admittedly. However, I have always maintained it wouldn't happen because of the wages. Always. And if what we hear is true, then that is the stumbling block and Sneijder isn't going to budge - as I said.
So you're going to be butt fucked again.
We don't have anyone over £200,000. You have one and if you want Sneijder, then that's two. We also don't have the glamour of Manchester United, yet players are still demanding massive wages at your club.
"Bend over, sir. I got something big for you!"
So you're in Sneijders head enough to know he's not going to budge? What has he got left to win at Inter?
It's more of a case that you're hoping he doesn't budge. He's not stupid there is more in it for him if he moves to United. He's a superstar so it's only natural that'll he'll be demanding big wages.
He doesn't want you, 777. Ferguson has said he must accept their offer, but it is short of what he wants. and he isn't taking a pay cut, dude.
I will LOL if you do increase your offer to him though. The MIGHTY Manchester United being owned by another man. Rooney was the first if you're not following.
If there's any player I wouldn't mind us bending over to, it's Wesley :blush:
He was at his most effective in the World Cup, in a midfield 3 with De Jong and Van Bommel doing the donkey work, leaving him as a pivot in the team, and thats how you get the best out of him. It was the same at Inter when they won the treble. One of the reasons he didn't do so well at Real, was from playing in the centre of a 4-4-2.
It was the same at Ajax, Van Der Vaart was played at the tip of the midfield three and it soon became clear at both club and international level you couldn't play Van Der Vaart and Sneijder in the same team. I remember reading a good piece by Klaas-Jan droppert in World Soccer many moons ago about the problem accommodating the pair in midfield.
http://www.football365.com/manchester-united/7073816/Scholes-I-Was-Lucky-To-Stay-After-Refusing-To-Play
Can never recall hearing about this at the time? Think we lost that cup game 4-0...
So you're in Sneijders head enough to know he's not going to budge? What has he got left to win at Inter?
It's more of a case that you're hoping he doesn't budge. He's not stupid there is more in it for him if he moves to United. He's a superstar so it's only natural that'll he'll be demanding big wages.
Why is he going to take a wage cut when he is at the peak of his powers and clearly under no pressure to leave Inter? Think logically.
I don't care if you get him. But you're not.
If there's any player I wouldn't mind us bending over to, it's Wesley :blush:
He's class, but that would be two players in less than one year.
Phatmann
31-07-2011, 23:56
http://www.football365.com/manchester-united/7073816/Scholes-I-Was-Lucky-To-Stay-After-Refusing-To-Play
Can never recall hearing about this at the time? Think we lost that cup game 4-0...
Ha, I was at that game. I can see why he wouldn't have wanted to play as our only 1st team player - and captain - was Phil Neville. Think we had Jimmy Davis and Danny Webber as our strike force with the likes of Ronnie Wallwork, Michael Stewart and Bojan Djordjic playing. Was a shocking game.
@ Joel, the Rooney sage fucked me off beyond belief. Any other player (possibly not Ronaldo) would have been shown the door. That said, his form in the new year was excellent but what was going through Rooney's head at the time I will never know, or understand.
You can appreciate Wesley not wanting to move and take a pay cut; but how much more is he asking for if he moves to us?
@ Phatts, Djordjic used to do well for me in CM. Just moved to Blackpool IRL.
Ultimate777
01-08-2011, 00:03
Why is he going to take a wage cut when he is at the peak of his powers and clearly under no pressure to leave Inter? Think logically.
I don't care if you get him. But you're not.
He's class, but that would be two players in less than one year.
That's right he's at the peak of his powers so why not showcase his talent in one of the most prestigious leagues, that being the premiership in this moment in time. Why remain in a league that is still trying to recover from corruption scandals and where he has won all that there is to win. He's not a born and bred interista so he's not eternally tied with the club.
@ Joel, the Rooney sage fucked me off beyond belief. Any other player (possibly not Ronaldo) would have been shown the door. That said, his form in the new year was excellent but what was going through Rooney's head at the time I will never know, or understand.
You can appreciate Wesley not wanting to move and take a pay cut; but how much more is he asking for if he moves to us?
I won't deny anything there, Ziss.
Reports say you're offering 170k. But he is on around 200k at Inter. Nothing is really conclusive, I just felt like a little fishing exercise tonight.
That's right he's at the peak of his powers so why not showcase his talent in one of the most prestigious leagues, that being the premiership in this moment in time. Why remain in a league that is still trying to recover from corruption scandals and where he has won all that there is to win. He's not a born and bred interista so he's not eternally tied with the club.
Cause he's being paid like royalty there, he doesn't want it reduced, he loves the city and you're not willing to meet his wage.
And in breaking news: 1+1=2.
AgentZero
01-08-2011, 03:32
50% wealth tax also will put anyone off...let it go bro hes not coming and if he does, kudos to you.
If kudos should go to anyone, it should be the chap my friend saw with Sneijder printed on the back of his United shirt 2-3 months ago!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2020874/Retired-Manchester-United-star-Paul-Scholes-turns-charity-game.html?ITO=1490
What a legend.
Antonio Valencia has just signed a new 4 year contract.
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2011/Aug/Valencia-signs-new-deal.aspx
Dragonfly
01-08-2011, 13:49
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2020874/Retired-Manchester-United-star-Paul-Scholes-turns-charity-game.html?ITO=1490
What a legend.
Brilliant. :D
Meyyappan
01-08-2011, 14:28
Sjneider saying he would not rule out a move to Manchester United,source: Skysports.
Ultimate777
02-08-2011, 00:06
:laugh: Are you nervoussh Joel?
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/transfer-news/Manchester-United-offer-Wesley-Sneijder-accepted-Inter-Milan-set-give-permission-discuss-personal-terms-article780034.html
I am. I was also nervous when the Daily Mirror said you had agreed a £27m fee with Sanchez.
Sanchez and Sneijder are going to tear shit up in the Premier League this season!
Ultimate777
02-08-2011, 00:10
I am. I was also nervous when the Daily Mirror said you had agreed a £27m fee with Sanchez.
Sanchez and Sneijder are going to tear shit up in the Premier League this season!
:laugh:
Keyser Soze
02-08-2011, 00:25
Under that story it also says PSG want Berbatov for £18m. If you got offered even close to that for him, surely you'd have to bite their hands off. I call bullshit, mind.
:loopy:
This has got my heart racing. Bullshit or not, seeing it written out like that makes one's eyes really lighten up with hope!
Ultimate777
02-08-2011, 00:50
:loopy:
This has got my heart racing. Bullshit or not, seeing it written out like that makes one's eyes really lighten up with hope!
Oh ye of little faith why do you doubt me? Didn't I say before this article was even published that the inter president confirmed they received a bid?
Edwin's Testomonial kicks off in a second.. PM me if you want a link.
He's teary eyed :crymore:
Will post his team when I can work it out.
His dream team.
Edwin Van Der Sar, Giovanni Van Bronckhorst, Gary Neville, Andre Ooijer, Rio Ferdinand, Nemanja Vidic, Phillip Cocu, Michael Carrick, Ryan Giggs, Rafael Van Der Vaart, Boudewij Zenden, Dirk Kuyt, Dennis Bergkamp, Alessandro Del Piero, Wayne Rooney, Louis Saha.
Bammers05
03-08-2011, 18:48
Bergkamp :w00t
How can anyone's dream team consist of Michael Carrick and Andre Ooider? :D
No Sneijder? Shame :D
Oh, and link please...
Makavelian
04-08-2011, 17:06
Don't believe everything you read,especially when that is in the form of a newspaper.
lmao he got the fergie stare then the reporter melted.
Ultimate777
04-08-2011, 19:45
Edwin's Testomonial kicks off in a second.. PM me if you want a link.
He's teary eyed :crymore:
Will post his team when I can work it out.
His dream team.
Edwin Van Der Sar, Giovanni Van Bronckhorst, Gary Neville, Andre Ooijer, Rio Ferdinand, Nemanja Vidic, Phillip Cocu, Michael Carrick, Ryan Giggs, Rafael Van Der Vaart, Boudewij Zenden, Dirk Kuyt, Dennis Bergkamp, Alessandro Del Piero, Wayne Rooney, Louis Saha.
No Van Nistelrooy and robben? Instead kuyt and zenden :shocking:
I think Ruud might play on Friday...
Berba to PSG rumour has resurfaced.
Ultimate777
04-08-2011, 21:09
Good. The sooner this clown is gone the better.
Berba to PSG rumour has resurfaced.
Is that legit? When Fergie was asked if Berba could play for PSG yesterday he was being flippant when he answered "yes".
I think he struggled to understand the french woman...Her english wasn't great.
Ultimate777
04-08-2011, 22:18
It was pretty clear what she was asking fergie. However I think he was being playful in his answer as it's not for him to be telling reports who is going to leave the club after a friendly.
Good. The sooner this clown is gone the better.
Lol, the irony.
Ultimate777
04-08-2011, 23:13
Lol, the irony.
Yeah the irony, amazing isn't it? One minute you say I'm on your ignore list and now look, you're actually quoting my post.
Bammers05
04-08-2011, 23:17
:lol:
muscularmatt
04-08-2011, 23:37
Anyone else think that yous lot are going to want another centre forward, especially if Berbatoss goes? Just Wazza and Chickenito?
Bammers05
04-08-2011, 23:38
And Owen, Matt.
Ultimate777
04-08-2011, 23:44
Anyone else think that yous lot are going to want another centre forward, especially if Berbatoss goes? Just Wazza and Chickenito?
If you looked at our full squad, you'd notice we also have owen, wellbeck, macheda and diouf. So it's an area where we're surplus to requirements.
When Sneijder comes he''ll be able to occupy the role behind one of the strikers in games where we''ll opt to go 4-5-1. So it's not an issue getting rid of berbatov without bringing in an additional like for like replacement.
Add welbeck, diouf and macheda to that list.
chelsea11
04-08-2011, 23:56
You think the likes of Owen, Macheda and Wellbeck are good enough for you guys though? I know they're only back up but still..? If it's 4-5-1, then I guess Rooney and Hernandez could cope, but 4-4-2 would change that.
You think the likes of Owen, Macheda and Wellbeck are good enough for you guys though? I know they're only back up but still..? If it's 4-5-1, then I guess Rooney and Hernandez could cope, but 4-4-2 would change that.
It could be a concern(if berba leaves) but I don't think it warrants going out and buying another striker unless fergie finds another 7m bargain. Don't know why I'm talking like berbatovs gone I don't even think we'll sell.
Ultimate777
05-08-2011, 00:06
You think the likes of Owen, Macheda and Wellbeck are good enough for you guys though? I know they're only back up but still..? If it's 4-5-1, then I guess Rooney and Hernandez could cope, but 4-4-2 would change that.
wellbeck is good enough now to start and provide enough quality as well as a different game to that of hernendez. Macheda not so much. Owen is still capable in a 4-4-2 to score vital goals so long as he's fit.
We're not chelsea or man city who will just throw oil/blood money at every problem. Our clubs tradition is give youth the opportunity and chance to show case their talents enough so in future they become regular starters themselves.
I actually feel embarrassed for city the way their going about their business. Can't wait till it all falls down on the dirty inbread fucks, roberto mancini thinks he's playing football manager.
AgentZero
05-08-2011, 05:28
i would cry if berba goes.
Yeah the irony, amazing isn't it? One minute you say I'm on your ignore list and now look, you're actually quoting my post.
Your constant bullshit is just too priceless to ignore!
Why is Welbeck ready to start? Because of a semi-decent loan spell at a mid-table club? I think he needs another (possibly half) season on loan, maybe at a slighty better team than Sumderland, to see if he can still stand out.
Anyone else thinking SAF might go for Barton? Sneijder is looking less likely to join as each day passes, and we're talking of replacing Scholes, who for the last few years played a lot deeper. Whilst it wouldn't be great to "settle" for Barton when heavily linked with quality like Sneijder, I still think he could do a job and that SAF could calm him down a bit...
wellbeck is good enough now to start and provide enough quality as well as a different game to that of hernendez. Macheda not so much. Owen is still capable in a 4-4-2 to score vital goals so long as he's fit.
We're not chelsea or man city who will just throw oil/blood money at every problem. Our clubs tradition is give youth the opportunity and chance to show case their talents enough so in future they become regular starters themselves.
Which youth player is in your current starting XI? Exactly. You haven't had a player come through your ranks in probably as long as every other top 4 club.
You may not throw money around like the Chelsea and Man City, but nevertheless, you throw money around.
Your constant bullshit is just too priceless to ignore!
Why is Welbeck ready to start? Because of a semi-decent loan spell at a mid-table club? I think he needs another (possibly half) season on loan, maybe at a slighty better team than Sumderland, to see if he can still stand out.
Anyone else thinking SAF might go for Barton? Sneijder is looking less likely to join as each day passes, and we're talking of replacing Scholes, who for the last few years played a lot deeper. Whilst it wouldn't be great to "settle" for Barton when heavily linked with quality like Sneijder, I still think he could do a job and that SAF could calm him down a bit...I really don't see why he would, as Barton's best position is on the right of midfield, as he doesn't have the legs to play effectively in the centre anymore.
He's got to be better than Michael "Crab" Carrick, surely?
I'm not saying he's at the top of my list, but I wouldn't say no if it were a choice between him and no-one.
He's got to be better than Michael "Crab" Carrick, surely?
I'm not saying he's at the top of my list, but I wouldn't say no if it were a choice between him and no-one.
I personally would, would rather see Cleverley get some action.
However if anyone could get the best out of barton it would be fergie. And your right Carrick has to step up this year, my main concern is carrick lacks the energy to do that.
Ultimate777
05-08-2011, 11:47
Your constant bullshit is just too priceless to ignore!
You just can't help it because you know my posts are interesting and you enjoy them. There's no shame in that.
Btw How come you changed your name back? I thought the plan was to go from Z10 to Z7 until you get Z777? Don’t worry you can take my name when I’m gone from here as I know you're eager take my place.
Only on one condition though, You have to change this idea in your head, that berbatov is better than rooney. It can’t be that bad admitting your wrong in that respect. Even the great man Sir Alex has conceded he’s not up to standards for United
Why is Welbeck ready to start? Because of a semi-decent loan spell at a mid-table club? I think he needs another (possibly half) season on loan, maybe at a slighty better team than Sumderland, to see if he can still stand out.
You scoff at his loan move as if it was nothing. I guess you miss when he stood out and scored vital goals for the England U21. Or should we wait until he scores for the senior England team to give him a chance in the United Squad?
I guess we should have really sent Hernandez on loan to a few teams in the premiership since he only had played for a decent Mexican team in an inferior league right? Because obviously using your theory Hernandez couldn’t possibily of been ready to start and after all you’re never wrong, so it must of been steroids why he done so well in his first season.
And how could we forget Jack wilshere. He only done well at Bolton and then was drafted in to the first team by Arsene Wenger. What a mistake that was!
The other option is to keep the Bulgarian for another year and see him score some slick goals and fancy flicks against the likes of Stoke, Blackburn and wigan for you to start going on how great he is while we allow him to run his contract down so he can leave on a free.
Anyone else thinking SAF might go for Barton? Sneijder is looking less likely to join as each day passes, and we're talking of replacing Scholes, who for the last few years played a lot deeper. Whilst it wouldn't be great to "settle" for Barton when heavily linked with quality like Sneijder, I still think he could do a job and that SAF could calm him down a bit...
If you think we’re going to buy joey barton or that it's even a good idea, then you may as well just stop trying to debate with me because I can’t take you seriously anymore.
The guy is trouble from start to finish, on and off the field. Neither does he possess that much quality for any team to put up with his foolish anti social antics. He’s not what we need, also he’s been operating mainly as a right sided midfielder for Newcastle, which is where his best performances have come from rather than the centre.
My advice to you is just give up, just quit embarrassing yourself, it’s making me cringe reading your uninformed kinder garden posts ‘’yeah lets get joey barton, let’s get scott parker, maybe kevin doyle'' yeah good idea Einstein.
Just remain silent on things that you don't have a clue on in future and you might just appear credible.
Which youth player is in your current starting XI? Exactly. You haven't had a player come through your ranks in probably as long as every other top 4 club.
You may not throw money around like the Chelsea and Man City, but nevertheless, you throw money around.
Really? How about fletcher, evans, oshea and brown was from the youth until we sold them. There is also tom cleverly that will feature in the first team this season, gibson has been given chances but hasn't proven good enough, so has macheda. Shall I go on? Listen don't compare us to chelsea, as we've never resorted to spending over 100 million in just one season just to buy a title.
Apparently there are no ongoing negotiations for Sneijder, but Inter say if they receive a big offer that may change, no negotiations are taking lace at the moment according to inter CEO.
Apparently there are no ongoing negotiations for Sneijder, but Inter say if they receive a big offer that may change, no negotiations are taking lace at the moment according to inter CEO.
But his Dad said he would move, didn't he? So ignore what anyone else says, other than The Sun, as they're always a reliable source.
F777, get your head out your arse, son. I love it how you can write (the same) 7-10 lines of recycled bollocks to one simple line of mine. I applaud the imagination you've shown yet again.
As for Welbeck, what will he offer to the team? Anything different or anything that's worth him getting ahead of someone more talented? Diouf has shown just as much promise whilst out on loan as Welbeck did, yet no-one cries when there's talk of him being shipped out. A British thing?
Where did England finish? The only vital goal was against Spain, but I guess that's enough to get you in the United squad, eh?
Didn't Arsenal finish lower than in 09/10? :D You've missed the point; it's easy for these kids to look decent at relatively poor clubs (Delph at Leeds, SWP at City (the first time) etc). I don't see the point in selling a 20 goal striker and chancing it with an unproven kid, at a club like United. Hernandez was already playing regularly for Guadalajara, and was in Mexico's squad. You can't use Hernandez a great deal in this debate, as next to no-one could foresee him having the impact he did, even the boss has admitted that.
I'm not the only one who enjoys the flicks against Stoke, Blackburn and Wigan. Also the hat-tricks against Liverpool and last minute winners against Bolton. I won't be surprised to see us accept an offer from PSG if it is around the reported £18m, as for a player who up until last season hadn't scored enough, is getting on a bit and has only one year left on his contract, is a bloody good offer.
EDIT: Just seen the second half of your cry-baby post.
Are you telling me that Michael Carrick is better than Joey Barton? I love the use of names like Parker and Doyle. Especially when Doyle is better than your lover boy Welbeck. Well played sir, well played.
Maybe we should ask david gill aka football777.
And I'm joking 777 before you launch into a tirade about how shit my life is.
Maybe we should ask david gill aka football777.
And I'm joking 777 before you launch into a tirade about how shit my life is.
:lol2:
Really? How about fletcher, evans, oshea and brown was from the youth until we sold them. There is also tom cleverly that will feature in the first team this season, gibson has been given chances but hasn't proven good enough, so has macheda. Shall I go on? Listen don't compare us to chelsea, as we've never resorted to spending over 100 million in just one season just to buy a title.
How many of those that you just mentioned are/were first team players? Fletcher.
All squad players, not first team playeys which is what I asked for. I like how you didn't bold that part. And yes, you sold them and have thrown £60m on the market to replace them. And you're still going to buy Sneijder, right? :lmao:
Oh and I didn't compare you to Chelsea or Man City. Learn to READ.
He'll twist your words or imply you meant something other than what you did. I don't think I've ever seen him admit he's wrong.
Sell Berbatov and play Welbeck? Yeah, that'll win us a great deal :rolleyes:
Ultimate777
05-08-2011, 12:59
As for Welbeck, what will he offer to the team? Anything different or anything that's worth him getting ahead of someone more talented? Diouf has shown just as much promise whilst out on loan as Welbeck did, yet no-one cries when there's talk of him being shipped out. A British thing?
I take it you’ve never actually watched Wellbeck play if your asking me what he offers. First of sunshine, the boy is lighting quick. He possesses far more pace in just his right leg than the whole of bertatov. He can drift outside on the wing, while coming inside similar to how Theirry Henry use to operate(don’t take this to mean I’m saying he’s a good as the Frenchmen). He’s also strong on the ball in his hold up play. His first touch is impeccable. He knows how to score aswell. So not only is he a striker that just scores, he is an all rounder who can operate in more than one role while causing trouble outside aswell as inside the box. Diouf is a good player and a very good finisher, but we have that in Hernandez and owen, so he doesn’t offer that much difference. Nothing to do with his passport
Where did England finish? The only vital goal was against Spain, but I guess that's enough to get you in the United squad, eh?
Do you even understand football and how it works? Do I really need to explain to you that there is a 11 men on the picth and it’s a team game? You expected Wellbeck to win the tournament for England now?
Didn't Arsenal finish lower than in 09/10? :D You've missed the point; it's easy for these kids to look decent at relatively poor clubs (Delph at Leeds, SWP at City (the first time) etc). I don't see the point in selling a 20 goal striker and chancing it with an unproven kid, at a club like United. Hernandez was already playing regularly for Guadalajara, and was in Mexico's squad. You can't use Hernandez a great deal in this debate, as next to no-one could foresee him having the impact he did, even the boss has admitted that.
We’re talking about young players going out on loan one season to a mid table team and then the next season being drafted in the first team. Wilshere is a prime example. Why wasn’t he loaned out again last season? As surely in your mind playing for a sunderland or a Bolton clearly isn’t good enough to warrant starting in the first team.
Also you’re wrong about Hernandez, I told people not here but on another united board what Hernandez was capable of and that he was going to be making big noises. I followed his progress before you even heard of his name.
Also we're not chancing anything getting rid of Berbatov. We have adequate cover in hernandez who fergie himself prefers and has proven to be more effective in the big games. Also when we sign Sneijder he can operate directly behind either rooney or hernandez in a 4-5-1 so it's not a problem. Wellbeck will be backup and can effectively start and do a good enough job if either rooney or hernandez is missing through injury or suspension
I'm not the only one who enjoys the flicks against Stoke, Blackburn and Wigan. Also the hat-tricks against Liverpool and last minute winners against Bolton. I won't be surprised to see us accept an offer from PSG if it is around the reported £18m, as for a player who up until last season hadn't scored enough, is getting on a bit and has only one year left on his contract, is a bloody good offer.
Yep that hat trick was well worth the 30million right?
Are you telling me that Michael Carrick is better than Joey Barton?
In his role as a defensive holding midfielder carrick is far superior to barton. Barton should be compared more appropriately with someone like Fletcher or Anderson who are effectively typical box to box centre midfielders. You obviously don’t understand different roles in midfield to understand this.
Clearly Barton is not an upgrade on either of those players so effectively he would serve nothing more than to be a squad player causing a nuisance to everyone in the club.
I love the use of names like Parker and Doyle. Especially when Doyle is better than your lover boy Welbeck. Well played sir, well played.
As for Doyle he has experience over wellbeck, however there is far more potential and ability in wellbeck than in every ounce of Dolye's being.
How many of those that you just mentioned are/were first team players? Fletcher.
All squad players, not first team playeys which is what I asked for. I like how you didn't bold that part. And yes, you sold them and have thrown £60m on the market to replace them. And you're still going to buy Sneijder, right?
Oh and I didn't compare you to Chelsea or Man City. Learn to READ.
Evans when he was in good form was a regular part of the first team. So was brown however injuries robbed him of his place. You're the one claiming we've not had a single player come through the youth ranks, not me. If they're good enough they''ll start if not then they''ll be sold.
At chelsea or man city, even if they're good enough, if they're not the latest flavor of the month where the media and fans are raving about them then they won't ever see the first team
Yay. Another thread full of arguements.
Bammers05
05-08-2011, 13:14
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I take it you’ve never actually watched Wellbeck play if your asking me what he offers. First of sunshine, the boy is lighting quick. He possesses far more pace in just his right leg than the whole of bertatov. He can drift outside on the wing, while coming inside similar to how Theirry Henry use to operate(don’t take this to mean I’m saying he’s a good as the Frenchmen). He’s also strong on the ball in his hold up play. His first touch is impeccable. He knows how to score aswell. So not only is he a striker that just scores, he is an all rounder who can operate in more than one role while causing trouble outside aswell as inside the box. Diouf is a good player and a very good finisher, but we have that in Hernandez and owen, so he doesn’t offer that much difference. Nothing to do with his passport
Welbeck will not be at the club in 12-18 months time. Walcott is lightning quick and arguably more talented than Welbeck, so what makes him so special? Diouf is good, but like Welbeck will be sold because he isn't good enough to make the grade at a club like Man Utd. I'm all for players coming through the ranks, but only if they're good enough. I don't want to see us playing potential ahead of talent, especially in the big games. We had scope to do so in the 90s because the competition wasn't as fierce, and was limited. I'd really like to see Pogba, Morrison, Petrucci etc play for the first team one day, but if we're trying to bring them in before they're ready, when our competitors are buying in talent (it's not nice, but it's happening, so we've got to do whatever in our powers to compete).
Do you even understand football and how it works? Do I really need to explain to you that there is a 11 men on the picth and it’s a team game? You expected Wellbeck to win the tournament for England now? I recall a thread on you laying into your life partner Wayne Rooney, and how he never performed on the international stage, yet you ignored the fact that no-one ever carries their club form over to the national team for England anymore. I'm all for discussing things with you, but stop trying to put words in my mouth, K?
We’re talking about young players going out on loan one season to a mid table team and then the next season being drafted in the first team. Wilshere is a prime example. Why wasn’t he loaned out again last season? As surely in your mind playing for a sunderland or a Bolton clearly isn’t good enough to warrant starting in the first team.
A half decent season at Sunderland does not merit a place in the United 18, especially if we're losing 15-20 goals from the player he's replacing.
Also you’re wrong about Hernandez, I told people not here but on another united board what Hernandez was capable of and that he was going to be making big noises. I followed his progress before you even heard of his name.
I too had heard of Hernandez before he came to us. Very funny that you've told people other than ones on here; didn't find it an appropriate medium to voice your opinion on him at the time? :rolleyes:
Also we're not chancing anything getting rid of Berbatov. We have adequate cover in hernandez who fergie himself prefers and has proven to be more effective in the big games. Also when we sign Sneijder he can operate directly behind either rooney or hernandez in a 4-5-1 so it's not a problem. Wellbeck will be backup and can effectively start and do a good enough job if either rooney or hernandez is missing through injury or suspension
Hernandez is, and will be for 2011/12, be ahead of Berbatov in the pecking order. So do you expect Welbeck to score 10-15+ goals for us next season? Have we signed Sneijder, by the way? I'm all for you "thinking Sneijder will sign" but you don't know, unless you are in fact David Gill.
Are you David Gill?
Yep that hat trick was well worth the 30million right?
Yes. Any United hat-trick against the bindippers is worth £30m. Fuck, the second goal alone is worth £30m! Didn't come off his shin, either ;)
In his role as a defensive holding midfielder carrick is far superior to barton. Barton should be compared more appropriately with someone like Fletcher or Anderson who are effectively typical box to box centre midfielders. You obviously don’t understand different roles in midfield to understand this.
Clearly Barton is not an upgrade on either of those players so effectively he would serve nothing more than to be a squad player causing a nuisance to everyone in the club.
I don't understand different midfield roles, yet you see Sneijder as a replacement for Scholes, who both play entirely different roles? I would love Sneijder at United, but we'd have to change the way we play to accommodate him. Why change a winning formula?
Barton knows how to play football, and Ferguson knows how to get the best out his players, and even handle "characters". Scholes started as a striker, so I can't see Barton having a problem if trained properly. If we don't sign Wesley, and if we sold Berbatov, we'd be going into the new season with one less experienced midfielder and striker; I wouldn't be overly confident on No.20. I don't want us to sign Barton over Sneijder, nor do I over any other transfer target, but if we had to go into the season with no new signings or a revitalised (I would hope) Barton, I would prefer the latter. It wouldn't be the first player's career SAF has rejuvenated.
As for Doyle he has experience over wellbeck, however there is far more potential and ability in wellbeck than in every ounce of Dolye's being.
No. Welbeck more potential, Doyle already has the talent. Stick them both in the same team and Doyle will score you more goals, guaranteed.
muscularmatt
05-08-2011, 13:46
My soul hurts.
My arsehole hurts.
What's new?
muscularmatt
05-08-2011, 14:29
http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web03/2009/8/21/16/scott-the-dick-from-south-park-20542-1250886786-11.jpg
That is so juvenile!!
Obertan is being linked with a move to us.
Sorry to hear about that.
Scholesss!!! Classic Paul Scholes right there :) :crymore:
Ultimate777
05-08-2011, 20:08
Welbeck will not be at the club in 12-18 months time. Walcott is lightning quick and arguably more talented than Welbeck, so what makes him so special? Diouf is good, but like Welbeck will be sold because he isn't good enough to make the grade at a club like Man Utd. I'm all for players coming through the ranks, but only if they're good enough. I don't want to see us playing potential ahead of talent, especially in the big games. We had scope to do so in the 90s because the competition wasn't as fierce, and was limited. I'd really like to see Pogba, Morrison, Petrucci etc play for the first team one day, but if we're trying to bring them in before they're ready, when our competitors are buying in talent (it's not nice, but it's happening, so we've got to do whatever in our powers to compete).
Welbeck doesn’t just possess pace, that’s just one of his qualities. You’ve now decided that he’s one dimensional on the basis of me highlighting that quality. You also want to compare him to Walcott. Which in truth wouldn’t be so bad as Walcott has more than just pace to his game has he proved last season where he scored 8 goals and made 13 assists. That is a very good return for a young player of 21(which he was at the time) He probably would have exceeded that tally had he not suffered serious ankle injuries.
As for wellbeck being sold in 12-18months, that is a bold prediction. I will not say either way whether that will be the case as no one knows whether he’ll deliver or make ridiculous demands to be starting the majority of games. However to doubt his quality and potential to do so is premature and ill thought. Especially when the guy is only 20 years of age. So he is far from the finished article and fergie thankfully is not a knee jerk person who writes off players so easily as someone like you would.
You’re right in that back in the 90’s competition wasn’t as fierce so we were able to experiment and gamble playing so many youngsters. However implementing one or two youngsters into the first team, isn’t going to drastically diminish the quality of the team. It’s why Fergie has said welbeck and cleverly will not be going out on loan as he sees their quality and readiness to step up.
I recall a thread on you laying into your life partner Wayne Rooney, and how he never performed on the international stage, yet you ignored the fact that no-one ever carries their club form over to the national team for England anymore. I'm all for discussing things with you, but stop trying to put words in my mouth, K?
I was laying into rooney because he had a stinker of a tournament and didn’t look like he was interested on or off the field. My concerns were justifiably warranted as he was eventually dropped when he was playing for United because of his poor form and his disgraceful shenanigans off the field which dragged the club's good name through the dirt.
We’re talking about someone in their peak, not a youngster so rightly there is more pressure to perform with fewer excuses. Thankfully he’s proved me wrong by turning things around and rediscovering his form and hunger. You expectations of Welbeck to help England win tournaments is ridiculous. As well as ignoring his impact at the U21 euro tournament where he did actually manage to score and play an integral role
A half decent season at Sunderland does not merit a place in the United 18, especially if we're losing 15-20 goals from the player he's replacing.
Well you’re on your own in that view as fergie believes he doeand so do many united fans like myself. I tell you what doesn’t merit a place in the United 25 man squad though. Paying a 30year old 100 k per week to sit on the bench and sulk like a little bitch
I too had heard of Hernandez before he came to us. Very funny that you've told people other than ones on here; didn't find it an appropriate medium to voice your opinion on him at the time? :rolleyes:
I can show you the quote back in August 2010 that I made on Hernandez before even stepped out in a United shirt. Here is what I said and predicted
After seeing a lot of this guy there's one thing that can be said of Hernandez and it's that he's got heart. He's well known for his tremendous work rate, bravery, his ease in getting along with team mates and his full-effort performances on the training pitch.
Certainly, he does not have an imposing physique, but he is never afraid to use his body. In fact, he has shown a lot more willingness to physically engage defenders than a typical forward in the Mexican league that I've watched. Hernandez can be seen running at full speed for the full 90, pressing defenders and racing for 50-50 balls even in games where his team already has a 3 or 4 goal lead. This has gotten him into a little bit of trouble, however, as in his zeal to always give it his all he has recieved 9 yellow cards in 28 matches (to pair with his 21 goals over that same span - a strike rate of a goal every 109.5 minutes on the pitch). Not to worry though, because referees in the Mexican League are notoriously trigger-happy when it comes to bookings and the physicality of the Premier League would mean that a lot of those bookings wouldn't have occurred in England.
Also, Hernandez managed to rise through the ranks while under the shadow of more illustrious compatriots in his same age group, who were heralded as world class talents before their 17th birthdays (Giovani Dos Santos and Carlos Vela), just missing a spot in Mexico's final squad for the 2005 FIFA U-17 that Mexico won. Despite managing to début back in 2006, from 2006 until the summer of 2009 he managed a mere 7 goals in 36 appearances, mostly as a second-half substitute. The lack of playing time and of personal successes had him seriously consider leaving football last summer, to focus on his University career, though he famously decided to give it another shot, won a spot in the starting 11 and hasn't looked back since.
His best attributes, however, are a great first touch, fantastic off the ball movement (always finding open space), and an unselfish attitude (he never thinks twice about passing to a team mate with a better angle, even on goalscoring opportunities for himself). As far as any comparisons to Hugo Sanchez go, i think the off the ball movement and first touch are as far as I would go, because you'll be hard pressed to find just about any players' highlight reel that will compare to Sanchez' in terms of the acrobatic nature of so many of his goals... Hernandez could prove to be a fantastic goal poacher, but I think he'll need settling in time.
He has the heart and determination to succeed, and there is no doubt he’s going to be making big noises in the premier league His game is more suited to the premier league than that of his more highly-regarded (at least outside of Mexico) compatriots, Carlos Vela and Giovani Dos Santos, who have proven to be more style than substance in a league where the pace of play is unforgiving. Unlike them, Chicharito plays a smart game, and is used to playing for the fastest-paced team in the Mexican league, Chivas. He puts himself in good positions, and rarely takes bad shots (for that matter, he doesn't usually take more than a couple of shots per game) and is an all-around team player.
How'd you like that soldier? Didn't believe me, did you? I didn't post it here because I frequented the other forum more often and didn't see the need to post in two different places. Also there were people doubting what I said, they like you questioned his readiness, said he should go out on loan, that we should ahve gone for players like benzema. But I knew what I was saying was right and that he'd prove them all wrong which he has done.
Hernandez is, and will be for 2011/12, be ahead of Berbatov in the pecking order. So do you expect Welbeck to score 10-15+ goals for us next season? Have we signed Sneijder, by the way? I'm all for you "thinking Sneijder will sign" but you don't know, unless you are in fact David Gill.
Are you David Gill?
I never said I’m David Gill. I expect wellbeck to score 10 goals at most. It’s stupid to expect a young player such of wellbeck to scoring the same amount as berbatov considering the amount of opportunities he’s going to be limited to. Berbatov was fortunate that at the beginning of last years campaign, rooney was out of form, and eventually got injured. So started a lot of games to due that reason and of course he was in good form himself. However in Europe he was nothing more than a failure.
As for Sneijder all will be revealed in due course. There is a 70% possibility in our favour that he’ll be signing for us. I’m not Sneijder so cannot say to 100% that he’ll agree to our terms however the offer is there on the table which I'm very confident he'll eventually accept.
Yes. Any United hat-trick against the bindippers is worth £30m. Fuck, the second goal alone is worth £30m! Didn't come off his shin, either ;)
So any player who manages to score a hat trick against Pool is considered worthy of spending 30 million on? Wow is all I have to say to that theory.
I don't understand different midfield roles, yet you see Sneijder as a replacement for Scholes, who both play entirely different roles? I would love Sneijder at United, but we'd have to change the way we play to accommodate him. Why change a winning formula?
Where did I say I see Sneijder as a placement for Scholes? The manager himself has identified Sneijder as a direct replacement not me.
Barton knows how to play football, and Ferguson knows how to get the best out his players, and even handle "characters". Scholes started as a striker, so I can't see Barton having a problem if trained properly. If we don't sign Wesley, and if we sold Berbatov, we'd be going into the new season with one less experienced midfielder and striker; I wouldn't be overly confident on No.20. I don't want us to sign Barton over Sneijder, nor do I over any other transfer target, but if we had to go into the season with no new signings or a revitalised (I would hope) Barton, I would prefer the latter. It wouldn't be the first player's career SAF has rejuvenated.
Of course Barton knows how to play football, he’s a professional footballer plying his trade in one of the top leagues in the world. He’s a good player; however one who brings plenty of unnecessary baggage.
Man city and now Newcastle wanting to get rid should tell you that. Assaulting his teammate during training should tell you that. Stubbing out a cigarette in a teenager’s eye and knocking out his teeth should tell you that. Punching a man twenty times until they’re their completely knocked out should tell you he that.. Punching Pedersen in the stomach unprovoked should tell you that. No manager will control a criminal thug. He’s not roy keane, neither is he a player with just a simple bad attitude that needs containing. No he’s more than that; he is an anti social yob that should still be behind bars. Had he not been a footballer he wouldn’t have had the privilege of gaining so much lenience towards his punishment for all the crimes he’s committed.
No. Welbeck more potential, Doyle already has the talent. Stick them both in the same team and Doyle will score you more goals, guaranteed.
I can assure you wellbeck has more talent than Doyle. That’s why Doyle plays for a cannon fodder while Welbeck plays for United. Yes doyle will get more goals as he’s more an accomplished striker who has far more experience than welbeck. But it’s dumb to think Wellbeck won’t surpass him as when he’s 25 in his prime, doyle will be a 33 year old out of shape has been worth peanuts
Dragonfly
05-08-2011, 20:13
Scholesss!!! Classic Paul Scholes right there :) :crymore:
I'm not watching the game, but I assume it was a mistimed tackle.
Nope.
xnjR9mVhrkQ
:crymore:
Dragonfly
05-08-2011, 20:27
Reminds me of Gibson.
Diouf's scored twice?
:willis:
Dragonfly
05-08-2011, 21:35
Diouf's scored twice?
:willis:
I've already sent my bid to Nifty.
GKiTbWi80Xs
:wub: Paul Scholes :wub:
:jongcrymore: Such a legend!
Bammers05
05-08-2011, 23:24
:jim:
http://www.football365.com/premier-league/7083989/-Sneijder-Sold-To-City-
Jonno394
06-08-2011, 11:41
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11679_7084021,00.html
Apparently not
I don't think there's such thing as a "reliable source" anymore :laugh:
haha. It's getting beyond ridiculous!
chelsea11
06-08-2011, 13:06
To be fair Ziss, if you read the article it says the same as the one Jonno linked. It is true though, transfer windows bring out some ridiculous rumours. It's like reporters are trying to gain a name for themselves and make shit up even though they know they'll be proved wrong! :laugh:
You just have to wait and see the player in the team shirt to be sure. Except for Fabregas of course :joel:
Meyyappan
07-08-2011, 16:36
What an amazing spirit,Manchester United did it again.
Wenger and Arsenal were the only ones who were equal to Fergie's Man Utd,atleast for 8 years from 1997-2005.
3 Titles and 4 FA cups for us,one title where we had gone the whole season unbeaten.
4 titles and 3 FA cups for you and a Championsleague from the famous treble season.
1 title for chelsea and 1 FA cup for Liverpool in that period.
Oh man. Soo many positives from the second half. Proper shit it when I saw the youth come on in the second half. Cleverly, Welbeck, Jones, Smalling were brilliant. Even Young was decent, great freekick for the First goal.
Foxhound
07-08-2011, 16:47
I was really impressed with Cleverley. Looking forward to see more of him this season.
Meyyappan
07-08-2011, 16:48
It will never end,not even after Fergie dies as long as this kind of AnimeToon DBZ-Goku-Never-Says-Die spirit is infused in your footballing team,you will keep on entering endless paradoxial winning cycles.
Meyyappen...Would you like to support Manchester United? :carlton:
Makavelian
07-08-2011, 17:00
Biggest celebration of the day Carrick off for Cleverly .He's been great all pre-season.Hopefully Fergie wakes up and drops Carrick for the season opener.
Ultimate777
07-08-2011, 17:17
Do you still think the likes of Cleverly and Wellbeck are not good enough for United Ziss?
Ali_BWFC
07-08-2011, 17:19
Pffffffft. Last minute goal.... bloody typical! I think this shows that Citeh still have a long way to go before they reach Utd's standard.
What an amazing spirit,Manchester United did it again.
Wenger and Arsenal were the only ones who were equal to Fergie's Man Utd,atleast for 8 years from 1997-2005.
3 Titles and 4 FA cups for us,one title where we had gone the whole season unbeaten.
4 titles and 3 FA cups for you and a Championsleague from the famous treble season.
1 title for chelsea and 1 FA cup for Liverpool in that period.
Oh shut up, Meyyappan. Why must you always include Arsenal in everything?
Why don't you compare Man United and Arsenal in the time period of 2005-2011?
Oh shut up, Meyyappan. Why must you always include Arsenal in everything?
Why don't you compare Man United and Arsenal in the time period of 2005-2011?
Rafael has already won more trohpies as United captain than Fabregas did at Arsenal :D
Just seen that Obertan is at Newcastle for a medical :joel:
Oh happy days... we beat City, sell Obertan and all I need now if for Carrick to fuck off and the day will have been a great one!
Do you still think the likes of Cleverly and Wellbeck are not good enough for United Ziss?
Quote me on Cleverly, douche.
Welbeck, no.
EDIT: Oh, and I've just got a chance to read your essay. Big lulz at you using the Rooney debate, almost word for word like I did, when it best suits your side of the argument. :bravo:
Cesc Fabregas
07-08-2011, 18:38
Meyyappen...Would you like to support Manchester United? :carlton:
I would.:jongcrymore:
Meyyappan
07-08-2011, 18:49
Oh shut up, Meyyappan. Why must you always include Arsenal in everything?
Why don't you compare Man United and Arsenal in the time period of 2005-2011?
I dare you to do so from 2011-2012 season onwards.
D_DeGea David De Gea
I`m very very happy!! My first medal and title!
I'm pretty sure we'll finish above your 5th placed finish...
Ultimate777
07-08-2011, 19:06
Quote me on Cleverly, douche.
Welbeck, no.
EDIT: Oh, and I've just got a chance to read your essay. Big lulz at you using the Rooney debate, almost word for word like I did, when it best suits your side of the argument. :bravo:
So you finally got around to reading my post which destroyed all your points? I'm sure you didn't miss it initially, you just didn't know how to respond :laugh: It's alright, don't worry, it's ok to be wrong.
Also you said a player being loaned out to a mid table club cannot be expected to be good enough to be put in the first team the following season. That applies to both wellbeck and cleverly
Once again, you're theory was blown out the window today. Deal with it son, deal with it.
Anyone else think Van der Sar would've saved Dzeko's goal with ease?
De Gea seemed to react quite slowly to it.
Still, I guess he made some fine reflex saves after that.
BarnDoor
07-08-2011, 19:19
Who are these loons saying that Welbeck is now ahead of Berbatov in the pecking order? I don't rate him at all, and can assure you he'll never score 25 goals in a season whilst playing for United. And you can happily quote me on that.
Jonno394
07-08-2011, 19:21
Berbatov looked sexy with his new shorter hair and tattoos, thus he should play over wellbeck.
Who are these loons saying that Welbeck is now ahead of Berbatov in the pecking order? I don't rate him at all, and can assure you he'll never score 25 goals in a season whilst playing for United. And you can happily quote me on that.
Yeah, I don't think Capello knows what he's doing by saying he'll be a big player for club and country this season.
I think Welbeck could be a good player, but isn't quite ready to be starting regularly for United.
A loan out to a club participating in the Europa League would be great for him. Would be another good learning curve for him just like Sunderland was for him last year.
Makavelian
07-08-2011, 19:29
Anyone else think Van der Sar would've saved Dzeko's goal with ease?
De Gea seemed to react quite slowly to it.
Still, I guess he made some fine reflex saves after that.
Yes he would and De Gea would of saved that shot from Messi in the Champions League final
Ultimate777
07-08-2011, 19:30
Who are these loons saying that Welbeck is now ahead of Berbatov in the pecking order? I don't rate him at all, and can assure you he'll never score 25 goals in a season whilst playing for United. And you can happily quote me on that.
Don't know where you're hearing this? Wellbeck is just 20 so is hardly going to be the finished product to replicate such a feat of a prime berbatov. However if the Bulgarian was to leave, he wouldn't be missed and welbeck would provide adequate cover.
You can bet your life berbatov wouldn't have put in such a shift that welbeck put in today. He'd have slowed us down on the counter, made us predictable and then sulked blaming nani or rooney for a misplaced pass. When he came on the first thing he did was lose the ball through a misplaced pass.
Makavelian
07-08-2011, 19:33
I've always like Wellbeck from watching him as a youngster and he has a bright future ahead of him for Utd and England!He's not just pace,he's a good footballer and a great finisher.Always preferred him over Macheda when they used to play togather for utd youngsters.Obviously a bit more biased to him because he's a manc lad:).
Ultimate777
07-08-2011, 19:39
I've always like Wellbeck from watching him as a youngster and he has a bright future ahead of him for Utd and England!He's not just pace,he's a good footballer and a great finisher.Always preferred him over Macheda when they used to play togather for utd youngsters.Obviously a bit more biased to him because he's a manc lad:).
Welbeck is top quality. I know there is a certain someone on here who has never watched him assume he just has pace, but anyone watching today will have seen for themselves that he possesses a very good football brain which he uses for great interplay and link up. Is very strong on the ball and has a fair amount of tricks up his sleeve.
BarnDoor
07-08-2011, 19:40
Don't know where you're hearing this? Wellbeck is just 20 so is hardly going to be the finished product to replicate such a feat of a prime berbatov. However if the Bulgarian was to leave, he wouldn't be missed and welbeck would provide adequate cover.
You can bet your life berbatov wouldn't have put in such a shift that welbeck put in today. He'd have slowed us down on the counter, made us predictable and then sulked blaming nani or rooney for a misplaced pass. When he came on the first thing he did was lose the ball through a misplaced pass.
606. Berbatov maybe doesn't work as hard but I thought we all established by now that he never does. If we're picking isolated incidents, I saw Welbeck being shit on a few occasions, and I expect you'll see it again many times.
Ultimate777
07-08-2011, 19:46
606. Berbatov maybe doesn't work as hard but I thought we all established by now that he never does. If we're picking isolated incidents, I saw Welbeck being shit on a few occasions, and I expect you'll see it again many times.
Like I said he's not the finished product just yet and yes there were moments where he was in and out of the game. Especially first half things failed to come off. But his head never dropped and he kept making himself available and trying to make things happen, in which he helped dragged the City defence all over the place through his work rate and movement.
Obviously berbatov is more reliable because he's an accomplished talent and has the experience. But Welbeck has got the tools and skills required to make it at United and become useful this season for us.
BarnDoor
07-08-2011, 19:48
You honestly think he'll be a United player for the long-term? I give him two seasons at best before Fergie ships him on. Probably to Sunderland.
Jonno394
07-08-2011, 19:50
Out of the lot (smalling, cleverly, welbeck, macheda...) Smalling is the one who'll stay the longest imo. Natural replacement for old man Ferdinand.
Makavelian
07-08-2011, 19:52
Out of the lot (smalling, cleverly, welbeck, macheda...) Smalling is the one who'll stay the longest imo. Natural replacement for old man Ferdinand.
These last 2 performances against citeh and barca he has been incredible at rigt back though.That's always been the plan for Smalling to replace Ferdinand at the time of scouting him.If J.Evens sorts his kneck out after a dodgy season,he certainly possesses the talent , i see utd's future back four as .
Fabio . Evans . Jones . Smalling
Ultimate777
07-08-2011, 19:55
You honestly think he'll be a United player for the long-term? I give him two seasons at best before Fergie ships him on. Probably to Sunderland.
I don't see why not. Fergie certainty has a lot of faith in him and he's done well whenever he's been in the team.
I tell you what, If his name was Welldinho people like Ziss would be going nuts over him.
Cleverley looked decent today, looks a decent prospect, more so than Welbeck I must say. I think Welbeck has Everton/Sunderland/Aston Villa level stamped all over him.
Come at me bro.
Makavelian
07-08-2011, 20:12
http://pete.com/files/photos/come-at-me-bro1.jpg
Ultimate777
07-08-2011, 20:14
Cleverley looked decent today, looks a decent prospect, more so than Welbeck I must say. I think Welbeck has Everton/Sunderland/Aston Villa level stamped all over him.
Come at me bro.
I didn't see any everton, sunderland or aston villa logos tattooed on welbeck!
http://pete.com/files/photos/come-at-me-bro1.jpg
WIN! :D
I didn't see any everton, sunderland or aston villa logos tattooed on welbeck!
... Fail :(
Cleverley looked decent today, looks a decent prospect, more so than Welbeck I must say. I think Welbeck has Everton/Sunderland/Aston Villa level stamped all over him.
Come at me bro.
Now look here sausage, Wellbeck has potential. Not perhaps the quantity lauded by 777, but he he is certainly better than the three teams you mentioned.
I didn't see any everton, sunderland or aston villa logos tattooed on welbeck!
You hacked the direct feed to the dressing rooms again...? :erm:
Ultimate777
07-08-2011, 20:20
So what potential are you talking about fick? Is this some special exclusive Manchester potential that only you know of that you're referring to?
Makavelian
07-08-2011, 20:24
I remember talking with Wellbeck's like second aunt ,praising him saying how good he is when i was working on her boiler and she was having none of it saying yes but he's playing for Sunderland so he's not good enough for utd:lol:
My cousin's friends with his mam as well .
We're practically family me and Danny.http://gbatemp.net/pix/183895/TrollFace.png
So what potential are you talking about fick? Is this some special exclusive Manchester potential that only you know of that you're referring to?
The potential to be Welldinho.
http://madeinhead.org/anism/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/booyah.jpg
Now look here sausage, Wellbeck has potential. Not perhaps the quantity lauded by 777, but he he is certainly better than the three teams you mentioned.
Are you tired sausage? :D
I think Mr Wellbeck (one L by the way dear), isn't going to oust Hernandez and Rooney long term.
I can only see United buying another decent striker rather than waiting for him to fulfill his potential.
If anything, Welbeck is going to end up the left side of midfield, bit of a waste really.
Are you tired sausage? :D
I think Mr Wellbeck (one L by the way dear), isn't going to oust Hernandez and Rooney long term.
I can only see United buying another decent striker rather than waiting for him to fulfill his potential.
If anything, Welbeck is going to end up the left side of midfield, bit of a waste really.
I am actually. You're right about being min 3rd choice though. Could be invaluable during cup runs though. Has looked positive on occasions and shown some ability.
F777 in talking absolute utter shite shocker!
Tom Cleverly has been called up to the England squad for wednesday.
According to 'skysports sources'
Ultimate777
08-08-2011, 11:43
F777 in talking absolute utter shite shocker!
Says the guy who thinks it's a silly idea to give youngsters like cleverly and wellbeck a chance in the first team because they've been loaned out to a mid table team in previous seasons. While also harboring the idea that barton, a convicted criminal should be given a chance at United and could be ''controlled''. Not to mention one with the opinion that berbatov is superior to rooney.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11667_7087871,00.html? utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook
Ultimate777
08-08-2011, 12:42
Welbeck has also been called up
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,12016_7085663,00.html
Whether they get time on the pitch is another matter. People were complaining why Welbeck was picked over Bent but Bent has a small shoulder injury and wants to be 100% for the start of the season.
Dragonfly
08-08-2011, 13:35
Carrick has also been called up for England.
I'm pretty sure Carrick's been withdrawn along with Wilshere
Dragonfly
08-08-2011, 13:42
I'm pretty sure Wilshere, but I never heard about Carrick. Is he injured, too?
I think so. Think he picked up a niggle in the community shield.
Says the guy who thinks it's a silly idea to give youngsters like cleverly and wellbeck a chance in the first team because they've been loaned out to a mid table team in previous seasons. While also harboring the idea that barton, a convicted criminal should be given a chance at United and could be ''controlled''. Not to mention one with the opinion that berbatov is superior to rooney.
When did I bash Cleverly? Never.
I am not the only one to think Welbeck won't be good enough for United, nor was I the only one to say that Berbatov is more talented than Rooney.
I suppose I should start a thread stating how Torres is superior to Rooney in every way, and then big him up as the best thing since sliced bread only a year later, eh? :rolleyes:
Ultimate777
08-08-2011, 14:28
When did I bash Cleverly? Never.
I am not the only one to think Welbeck won't be good enough for United, nor was I the only one to say that Berbatov is more talented than Rooney.
I suppose I should start a thread stating how Torres is superior to Rooney in every way, and then big him up as the best thing since sliced bread only a year later, eh? :rolleyes:
Indirectly you attacked most youngsters and questioned whether they had what it takes to be put in the first team if they had come from being loaned out to a mid table club.
You will soon be eating your words about welbeck, back peddling and pretending you never questioned him when starts scoring regularly and getting the plaudits.
As for rooney and torres - a in form torres is a better more effective striker than a in form rooney. Prior to torres damaging his knees and hamstrings he was far more superior to rooney in most ways besides passing, vision and workrate.
I typed a long reply to this, but the site started to act like a funny fucker, so all is lost.
In a nutshell; I like Cleverly. He's already looking better than Carrick.
Although you think everyone edits posts when they've said something that turns out to be wrong, they don't. You should have tried that tactic with the "Downing will go to Arsenal" bollocks.
Rooney, for me, offers more than Torres. Rooney has had his share of injuries, but pace was never something that he could risk losing, so the injuries haven't hampered his style of play as much as Torres' has. I would like to see Torres put up with the shit Rooney does in the press and the pressure he comes under whenever international games come around. Still, for what he did with the contract saga, he's a dick.
As for yesterday's game, I called us going a goal down after a decent spell of the ball and little City threat. However, I expected City to sit on the 1-0 lead; De Gea definitely should have saved the 2nd.
Our equaliser was awesome to watch. Was very Arsenalesque, but with a goal at the end of it.
I thought Nani had a chance of closing down Kompany but fully expected the defender to deal with it. Once he won the ball there was only ever one outcome. I called the chip but of course he went round him. I lol'd when he admitted in the interview after that he wanted to chip Hart but he stated on his feet :laugh:
I was very harsh on Nani in the summer, but he was decent yesterday. Perhaps Young coming in has given him a kick up the backside? Just need to either sign Sneijder or see Anderson/Fletcher/Giggs/Cleverly in the middle and I think we'll be ok.
As for City, they definitely need another couple of signings (which I expected them to make). Still not sure if Mancini will take them any further than the FA Cup, mind you.
Breaking news:
Wesley Sneijder has admitted he would like to join Manchester United and claimed 'unofficial talks' have taken place with the Premier League champions. Stay with us for more on this major development...
F777 is fapping as we speak.
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I read this interview on Sunday. Sky Sports are slow.
Yeh they put the story up about 30 mins after the headline went out and I knew all this yesterday lol.
Well now we know Inter want to sell, it'll be interesting to see if you all are willing to pay what he wants.
777 will be coming at me when he returns from his ban. "ARE YOU SCARED JOEL?!?!"
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