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Hopefully he's spent his down time learning how to read, and understand what people are saying. However, he's likely out looting...
How long is he and Jonno banned for?
Bammers05
09-08-2011, 18:13
How long are he and Jonno banned for?
Corrected :folarm:
lol, how very schoolboy of me.
Hopefully he's spent his down time learning how to read, and understand what people are saying. However, he's likely out looting...
How long is he and Jonno banned for?
Dunno... Let me go and check in the ACP.
Oh wait...
On the Sneijder, "I'm For Sale" Sky Sports article, I was reading the comments. Hilarious. "We don't need Sneijder, we have Cleverley". "Cleverley was awesome today, no need for Sneijder".
We don't need him.
We have Cleverley and Pogba :erm:
chelsea11
09-08-2011, 19:25
Read that article today in the paper, but it was directly above an article apologising to Martin O'Neill for making up stories about him! :laugh: Wasn't sure what to think about it. Those riots might put him off a move though...
£33m is being thrown around twitter.
Ultimate777
09-08-2011, 20:35
Well now we know Inter want to sell, it'll be interesting to see if you all are willing to pay what he wants.
777 will be coming at me when he returns from his ban. "ARE YOU SCARED JOEL?!?!"
I bring YOU....
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AgentZero
10-08-2011, 00:08
i hope we got cleverly and pogba is not our version of we have tim sherwood.
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the gaff telling off Berba for wearing his cap backwards.
Bebe out for 6 months. Tore his anterior cruciate ligament playing for Portugal U21s.
AgentZero
11-08-2011, 01:01
hes not even with us this season...hes at Besiktas and hes rubbish anyway
hes not even with us this season...hes at Besiktas and hes rubbish anyway
Thats harsh, he isnt really rubish. he isnt MU material, seems like that anyway, but he is a young man with tons of potential and much to give to football if someone gets him on the right track. i hope he recovers well, i know all to well what it is to have an ACL injury and it aint pretty. hope he comes back strong from this.
hes not even with us this season...hes at Besiktas and hes rubbish anyway
You don't think I know that? But he is still our player so I thought I'd put it in our thread. Is that ok with you?
And bad player is harsh. His life flipped in a matter of months and he struggled to settle into a new country and what not. He's not shit, the boy has talent. Whether he's Manchester United quality is another matter.
I see squad numbers have had a shuffle. Evans is now 6 and Cleverly is 23. De Gea 1, Jones 4 and Young 18 still.
Pogba's getting promoted to the senior squad it seems :carlton:
Makavelian
13-08-2011, 00:43
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This guy is too good .
He doesn't need to be loaned out.Hopefully Ravel follows.
Get rid of our stagnation's Carick and Fletch.Bring in the real footballers.
Foxhound
13-08-2011, 05:58
According to dailymail, Rafael has injured his shoulder again.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2025435/Manchester-United-defender-Rafael-suffers-dislocated-shoulder.html
It always seem that one twin is always injured after the other.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/371802750.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=A KIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1313234023&Signature=6%2BVfzKXL%2BYSJz40R KKu%2Bapl0l1M%3D
AgentZero
14-08-2011, 02:15
According to dailymail, Rafael has injured his shoulder again.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2025435/Manchester-United-defender-Rafael-suffers-dislocated-shoulder.html
It always seem that one twin is always injured after the other.
im beginning to suspect that only one of them can actually play and its always the non-injured one and i bet they swap around when convenient.
Rafael out 2 months, Vidic 2 weeks and Rio 6 weeks. :facepalm:
Cesc Fabregas
14-08-2011, 21:16
Hopefully that's just enough to knock United out of the title race.
Makavelian
14-08-2011, 21:18
Hopefully that's just enough to knock United out of the title race.
Why are you planning a challenge?:lol:
Rafael out 2 months, Vidic 2 weeks and Rio 6 weeks. :facepalm:
:facepalm:
Literally, no words.
Makavelian
14-08-2011, 21:44
Jones, Evans and Smalling WILL man up.
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/185275_10150754600825029_36091 3910028_20350016_3429842_n.jpg
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wow. Just watching MOTD now and De Gea has had a hard day. He's going to have to beef up a bit to survive in this league.. and lets face it.. he was always going to make mistakes. I think it was more a case of nerves rather than ability. Saving long shots is going to have to be a part of his game that he needs to improve on.
Check out Phelans sexy beard aswell haha.
How great does Cleverly look in the middle aswell!
Rafael out 2 months, Vidic 2 weeks and Rio 6 weeks. :facepalm:
Christ. At least Jones and Smalling will get their shot at establishing themselves.
AgentZero
15-08-2011, 00:25
yeah hes quality and its just the nerves getting the better of him, dropping him now wont do it any better perhaps just leave him in for the premiership matches and use Kusczak for Europe and cup campaigns.
edit: Joel you have even correctly placed Valencia where Jermaine is and Nani where Michael is. Kudos for the attention to details
yeah hes quality and its just the nerves getting the better of him, dropping him now wont do it any better perhaps just leave him in for the premiership matches and use Kusczak for Europe and cup campaigns.
Fuck Kusczak. Lindegaarde is much better imo. Looked solid in pre-season, a great number 2 who wants the number 1 spot. Kusczak will leave soon.
Cesc Fabregas
15-08-2011, 00:52
Only reason I want Kusczcak to play is for my FF team :S
Makavelian
15-08-2011, 00:56
Fuck Kusczak. Lindegaarde is much better imo. Looked solid in pre-season, a great number 2 who wants the number 1 spot. Kusczak will leave soon.
Thought Kusczak left:D.
He's behind Amos as well .
AgentZero
15-08-2011, 01:14
my argument is solely on his experience right now we're being hamstrung by an influx of experience at the back.
Only reason I want Kusczcak to play is for my FF team :S
You have Kusczcak in your FF? Are you retarded.
Fabio Smalling Evans Evra
edit: Joel you have even correctly placed Valencia where Jermaine is and Nani where Michael is. Kudos for the attention to details
I didn't make it.
De Gea at Stoke is going to be the most entertaining player watch of the season. He probably won't last the 90 mins.
AgentZero
15-08-2011, 12:20
Delaps throw will make a triumphant return.
Fabio Smalling Evans Evra
Evans over Jones?
Evans over Jones?
Who came on before who yesterday? ;)
I think he'll flip between Jones and Fabio at right back, as Fabio won't make it through many full matches without getting injured somehow, righ?
777:
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc253/toontownjuggalo/Brain%20Stew/tick-tick-tick-tock.gif
Ultimate777
17-08-2011, 11:24
That's right Joel the clock is counting down for you
http://www.wesleysneijdertomufccountd own.com/
nath_scfc
17-08-2011, 11:31
I didn't make it.
De Gea at Stoke is going to be the most entertaining player watch of the season. He probably won't last the 90 mins.
Can you remember Gomes in our first season? When he took out his own defenders and was crying at one point? :lol:
Shall we stop messing around and change your name now?
Serious question - Do you think Sneijder would help you get closer to Barcelona?
Can you remember Gomes in our first season? When he took out his own defenders and was crying at one point? :lol:
Hilarious stuff.
I'd lol if Ferguson goes with Kuszczak or Lindegaard.
Ultimate777
17-08-2011, 11:50
I don't know if sneijder would help do that without an additional ball winner beside him. He would certainty help us retain possession in the centre of the park with his technique and sufficient use of the ball in penetrating opposition defences with more of a cutting edge. I think carrick is a good holding midfielder however his tendancy to hesitate and immobility means he isn't able to stamp his authority against the best of teams.
He would provide more options in terms of combitions to use in midfield. He could player alongside either carrick, fletcher and anderson who's weaknesses would become less exposed and would be limited to defensive duties rather than being relied upon to provide creativity
However Our midfield has been lacking in quality for far too long and adding sneijder isn't going to suddenly make it the best or bring us on par with barcalona. We should have been looking to replace hargreaves with someone of similar ability and style. Even though fletcher is a similar box to box player he doesn't possess the positional awareness to defend astutely as someone like hargreaves or carrick who don't have a problem playing the holding role. What fletcher does offer is tenacity and tireless workrate. But his use of the ball and decision making leaves a lot to be desired.
The only team that are close to rivalling barcalona in this moment of time are probably real who have the right mixture of players throughout their squad. And also City if they can get their players to work as a unit rather than individuals.
Makavelian
17-08-2011, 12:34
Manchester United target Wesley Sneijder going nowhere, says Inter Milan president Massimo Moratti
Massimo Moratti, the president of Inter Milan has poured scorn on the suggestion that Wesley Sneijder will be leaving the San Siro this summer.
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01973/wesley-sneijder_1973749c.jpg
Sneijder has been repeatedly linked with a transfer to Manchester United throughout the summer transfer window, and has hinted at unofficial talks with the Premier League champions.
But Moratti says Sneijder will not be allowed to leave as he is too important to the team, and Inter are poised to sell Samuel Eto'o to Russian club Anzhi Makhachkala.
"Sneijder away? For Wes there has never been any sort of negotiation," Moratti told La Gazzetta dello Sport. "If Eto'o leaves, he remains. Sneijder was untouchable even before this hypothesis, now it is even more so.
"Sneijder will remain."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/serie-a/8706077/Manchester-United-target-Wesley-Sneijder-going-nowhere-says-Inter-Milan-president-Massimo-Moratti.html
I don't listen to all the crap Chairman and managers spout these days. How many times in the past has a chairman/manager said "X is not for sale" for them to be sold a week or two later.
I can't see us signing Sneijder however it would be awesome if we did.
I feel that unfortunately we missed the boat on this one. Signing him from Ajax or Madrid (when he was just as awesome) would have not only been cheaper (transfer fee wise) but he wouldn't be expecting £200k-£250k a week in salary.
Shame.
Building up Cleverley and Anderson will be a greater benefit for you in the long run.
Makavelian
17-08-2011, 13:18
Pogba will stamp his place in the utd central midfield in the next year or 2.He has potential to be world class .He's so much more talented than Cleverly.Ravel Morrison just needs to sort his life out off the pitch,he also has more talent than any of our current first team central midfielder's.
Building up Cleverley and Anderson will be a greater benefit for you in the long run.
Agreed. Both had very high pass % rate against WBA. The only concern was the lack of creativity.
Ferguson has pretty much confirmed our back line on Monday to be De Gea, Jones, Smalling, Evans and Evra.
God help us.
You'll be more than fine.
Makavelian
19-08-2011, 13:39
What are the repercussions of this bet between you and 777 over Sneijder ,will he won't he?
Either way I think the board will be a much better place if he just fucks off.
Beechy101
20-08-2011, 16:11
Apparentley Sneijder's been left out Inters' squad to play Olympiakos due to 'personal reasons''.
Maybe his wife has met Giggs and Rooney.
Apparentley Sneijder's been left out Inters' squad to play Olympiakos due to 'personal reasons''.
Probably on his way to Citeh :erm:
I had a dream last night that Sneijder ended up signing for FULHAM! Or at least an offer was accepted by Inter. I remember asking, but why Fulham? I was in a drunken sleep at the time, which would explain a lot.
AgentZero
21-08-2011, 10:56
if we get past the yids we better put 4 past arsenal they way theyve been playing.
I wouldn't bank on it. Whenever we've played a weakened Arsenal team (in the past through injuries) we've only scraped it by a goal or two.
If we play against Spurs like we did for the first 30 minutes we did against WBA, then I'd hope for a 3-0/3-1.
Foxhound
21-08-2011, 13:40
I predict 3-2 or 4-3 for the game against Spurs.
On paper an easy week for United, Spurs heavily hit by injuries for the game tonight, should be a 2-1 win for United, Arsenal won't be easy, even without Cesc and possibly Nasri you can guarantee Wenger's men will put up a tough fight.
Jones really looks a special player, going to be incredible.
evans and smalling did look solid too.
haha!
http://i.imgur.com/lKx10.jpg
Makavelian
22-08-2011, 23:21
Hahaha still not going to happen ,our youth cm's are too strong and it would kill there progression.
Welbeck and rooney reminds me of when Nistelrooy got carted and we was all legs up front with Saha and Rooney. He's still very raw Welbeck , but he will always come up with great imagination in a match.#Fuck all you Welbeck haters ,stick Kevin Doyle up your arse http://stylesampler.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/lol.gif.Whoever it was that metioned that.
I told you our young defenders would man up.Evans is remembering that he is actually a good player.Shame about his lack of threat in the opponents half.He was a beast in the youth team.Jones really looks a special player, going to be incredible.
Kid is a winner through and through.Funny how much knee jerk reaction Smalling used to ge in this thread.This Utd thread reminds me of talksport phone in, a bunch of clueless cunts phoning in judging players careers after 3 matches.
Meyyappan
23-08-2011, 06:37
777 was right about welbeck,spurs were wel becked by him.
What a game that was, Spurs were incredibly weaker than usual but still the balance of youth and experience really worked in our favour, but then again I shouldn't get to excited because you can't win anything with kids ;/
The oldest player in last night's squad was... Anderson? This is frightening.
^ Evra, Young and Rooney are older than Anderson.
Andersons only 23 I think?
AgentZero
23-08-2011, 20:23
yeah Andersons 23 Evra is 30 Rooney & young are 26
Young turned 27 a few weeks ago. Nani's also older than Anderson.
AgentZero
26-08-2011, 07:18
last time we were given a group this straightforward we didnt get out of it....
Meyyappan
26-08-2011, 09:20
last time we were given a group this straightforward we didnt get out of it....
How many decades back was that?
Is it too late to comment on Monday's game?
We were heavily lacking in creativity in the first half; we won't be able to get away playing like that against better teams, so hopefully it's just part of getting match fit, needing time to gel etc.
Hopefully I'm wrong about Welbeck, as it was a decent header (although the cross was superb) and the flick for the second was pure awesomness to even try it. Up until the header he was probably our worst player; trying one to many things with the ball and giving it away (on the few ocassions he did get the ball). I think he'd have been subbed off a few minutes after the first goal, had he not scored it. He was fairly invisible against WBA, also. I'll try not to be too hard on him for the next few months, but I don't want to have to wait 2 hours across 2 games for him to do something decent in the future. Hopefully his goal and assist will carry his belief through to the next couple of games.
How does everyone feel for the Arsenal game? I'm thinking we should go 4-5-1 (with Giggs in midfield) and using Nani and Young's skill/pace to turn it into a 4-3-3 when counter attacking. We normally do something similar at The Emirates and up until last season it worked with ease.
Anything less than a win will be a poor result, especially against easily the weakest Arsenal squad in the past 15-20 years...
Makavelian
26-08-2011, 12:13
I'm pretty sure you would prefer Welbeck to fail big time ,rather than 777 to get one over you.
last time we were given a group this straightforward we didnt get out of it....
Days of Alan Smith in cm?
I'm pretty sure you would prefer Welbeck to fail big time ,rather than 777 to get one over you.
Days of Alan Smith in cm?
I would rather he become decent, and help the club. Not really going to listen too much to someone who rates Welbeck better than Kevin Doyle based on a decent 15 minutes football, which was preceded by 120 minutes of dumpness...
Makavelian
26-08-2011, 12:31
Judging by your response i'm spot on.
Difference is Doyle has peaked Welbeck's only going to improve.
He's not in the class of Welbeck.Thats why he's 27ish and plays for Wolves.
Meyyappan
26-08-2011, 15:31
Is it too late to comment on Monday's game?
We were heavily lacking in creativity in the first half; we won't be able to get away playing like that against better teams, so hopefully it's just part of getting match fit, needing time to gel etc.
Hopefully I'm wrong about Welbeck, as it was a decent header (although the cross was superb) and the flick for the second was pure awesomness to even try it. Up until the header he was probably our worst player; trying one to many things with the ball and giving it away (on the few ocassions he did get the ball). I think he'd have been subbed off a few minutes after the first goal, had he not scored it. He was fairly invisible against WBA, also. I'll try not to be too hard on him for the next few months, but I don't want to have to wait 2 hours across 2 games for him to do something decent in the future. Hopefully his goal and assist will carry his belief through to the next couple of games.
How does everyone feel for the Arsenal game? I'm thinking we should go 4-5-1 (with Giggs in midfield) and using Nani and Young's skill/pace to turn it into a 4-3-3 when counter attacking. We normally do something similar at The Emirates and up until last season it worked with ease.
Anything less than a win will be a poor result, especially against easily the weakest Arsenal squad in the past 15-20 years...
A 4-5-1 with Rooney,Giggs,Young,Nani,Fletch er,Anderson + Back four and you would totally beat any of our past sides in the past 5 years so wil be a formality if you play that formation with the players mentioned
as our midfield will have rosicky ramsey and henri lansbury
attact gervinho wally and rvp.
Foxhound
26-08-2011, 15:37
If it had to be 4-3-3/4-5-1, I'd pick:
............Carrick........... ......
...Cleverley..........Anderson ...
Nani.......................... .....Park.....
...........Rooney............. ....
I know that Carrick isn't exactly popular, but.. ok?
IronCity
26-08-2011, 15:39
^^interesting no Ashley Young in that lineup above.
Rumor has it Sir Alex likes to play Park against Arsenal. Any chance he will play over Nani?
Foxhound
26-08-2011, 15:43
Park tends to do well against Arsenal. I picked Nani over Young mainly because I feel that Nani provides more goal threat than Young.
Judging by your response i'm spot on.
Difference is Doyle has peaked Welbeck's only going to improve.
He's not in the class of Welbeck.Thats why he's 27ish and plays for Wolves.
So Welbeck is already as good as Doyle? That's what you implied? If you think that, then you are a douche.
Only a few more days to get Sneijder...
Makavelian
26-08-2011, 22:37
So Welbeck is already as good as Doyle? That's what you implied? If you think that, then you are a douche.
Only a few more days to get Sneijder...
Cut the american bullshit !
Tbh i wish i was a douche i'd be getting more pussy than recently.
Yes he's not in Welbeck's class .Sure he's more experienced and more clever on the pitch at poaching goals.But if you had a kick around with them two players you would see Doyle is not half the player what Welbeck is.Doyle could never cut it at utd training day in day out.Fergie does see Welbeck day in day out, that's why berba has been benched .Even Hernandez isn't going to walk straight back into the team.Doyle hasn't got the mentality for a big club thats why no big club would ever go in for him.When have you ever seen Doyle score a great header followed by a back heel assist ,then nearly scored an outragous goal with an overhead kick?Sure he's not as consistant,but Doyle isn't in his class.
Remember his debut goal.
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He's got things in his armory that Doyle could only ever dream about.
Even Macheda is better than Doyle.
Even Macheda is better than Doyle.
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Makavelian
26-08-2011, 23:02
That was annoying.
If he played for a shitty cannon fodder(sorry Matt) team week in week out he would show he's much more talented than Kevin Doyle.
Cut the american bullshit !
Tbh i wish i was a douche i'd be getting more pussy than recently.
Yes he's not in Welbeck's class .Sure he's more experienced and more clever on the pitch at poaching goals.But if you had a kick around with them two players you would see Doyle is not half the player what Welbeck is.Doyle could never cut it at utd training day in day out.Fergie does see Welbeck day in day out, that's why berba has been benched .Even Hernandez isn't going to walk straight back into the team.Doyle hasn't got the mentality for a big club thats why no big club would ever go in for him.When have you ever seen Doyle score a great header followed by a back heel assist ,then nearly scored an outragous goal with an overhead kick?Sure he's not as consistant,but Doyle isn't in his class.
Remember his debut goal.
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He's got things in his armory that Doyle could only ever dream about.
Even Macheda is better than Doyle.
Sorry Maka, but this is a terrible post. Your reasons for why Welbeck is better than Doyle are awful.
And Macheda has shown nothing since that goal vs Villa, btw. He was awful at Sampdoria last season. Forget Doyle, he's not even better than Clinton Morrison right now.
Joel is right; Welbeck MAY go on to be better than a player of Kevin Doyle's quality, but at the moment it's just potential. I'd like nothing more than to see another United youngster to go on to be a star, but I'm not putting my eggs in one basket because there are the Machedas, Bellions, Millers, Manuchos, Klebersons etc.
I think Welbeck will go on to be a top player, for the record. And I do think he is a good player right now. Maka just done a poor job building him up :lol:
I hadn't actually seen Maka's long post; I love how I've turned the forum against poor old Kevin Doyle! I only used him as an example. If he's actually insisting that Welbeck is already a better player than Doyle, then he is deluded.
Oh, and Hernandez will walk straight back into the team ;)
Makavelian
27-08-2011, 00:14
Joel you think fergie doesn't beleive he isn't a good player and playing him in front of the clubs top scorer for last year for a joke?Or that Cappello picked him because he's not a good player.
You wouldn't understand giving an unproven player a chance ,it's understandable, your a Chelsea fan.
No course he's not good his he.
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Joel you think fergie doesn't beleive he isn't a good player and playing him in front of the clubs top scorer for last year for a joke?Or that Cappello picked him because he's not a good player.
You wouldn't understand giving an unproven player a chance ,it's understandable, your a Chelsea fan.
Sturridge, McEachran, Hutchinson?
EDIT: Lol, showing an offside goal from 8 yards isn't the greatest video to support you claim.
I never made any of those claims, Maka. I never even doubted Welbeck's talent. Stop getting angry and read my posts.
Sturridge, McEachran, Hutchinson?
Rep for that, purely because you're the first person on this forum to spell McEachran right! :D
EDIT: Ah. Must spread it around. Fnar Fnar.
Makavelian
27-08-2011, 00:22
Haha my bad, i skimmed through your post and thought you said he's not a good player.Apologies Joel
Wellbeck's nee Sammy like.
Sturridge, McEachran, Hutchinson?
EDIT: Lol, showing an offside goal from 8 yards isn't the greatest video to support you claim.
Can't really fight, tbh. Only time will tell if we bring Sturridge (not even our own talent, tbh) and McEachran through successfully, but at this moment, John Terry is still the last person who came through our academy. Not very good!
Haha my bad, i skimmed through your post and thought you said he's not a good player.Apologies Joel
:thumbsup:
Makavelian
27-08-2011, 00:50
Sturridge, McEachran, Hutchinson?
.
These players will be dumped when a slightly better player comes on the market.
Surely the guys who won football Icon tv show should be coming into Chelsea's first team squad soon.
:shaq:
Could the same not be said about our players? I mean who was the last player to come fully through our ranks to become a proper squad player? If we're being picky, I think we technically stole Cleverly from someone like Bradford, didn't we?
Makavelian
27-08-2011, 11:50
This is so common though.A lot of young players have multiple clubs at youth level.
You're acting as though you are a great club at bringing players through you rank. Seems you are still living of that golden era, with Beckham, Scholes and the Nevilles.
Fact is Cleverley is only playing cause you can't afford Sneijder's wages. Welbeck, well let's see what happens.
You like majority of top clubs, spend A LOT of money. You're no Barcelona.
Makavelian
27-08-2011, 12:47
Someones got there knickers in a twist because i've been having a jokey pop at Chelski havent they?
No it's not as good as Barca's,obviously.
Manchester United's youth system is the best in the Premier League look at united products that have maybe not made it at utd but cutting it in the top level of English football.
Nah, you're just trying to get on a high horse, that isn't that high.
Your youth system should be the best in the league. You've been at the top longer than anyone else and have had better facilities longer than anyone else.
Yet you're still spending between £30-50m in the transfer windows.
Makavelian
27-08-2011, 13:20
Your youth system should be the best in the league.
Yep, and it certainly is.A lot of money what has been invested into the youth setup what was all earned by the the club.
You've been at the top longer than anyone else and have had better facilities longer than anyone else.
Yep,.First team success Built on signing expensive players what the club has earned to buy, plus homegrown talent.
Yet you're still spending between £30-50m in the transfer windows.
So do every other big club spend big, some are just more successful than others.
http://www.sportingintelligence.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Prem-transfers-decade-updateJPEG24.8.11.jpg
Yep,built on signing expensive players what the club has earned to buy, plus homegrown talent.
Not really "plus homegrown talent". More like, "and a few homegrown talents. Minimal really".
Money you have earned? You're in some serious, serious debt. You're spending money that you you do no have.
So do every big club spend big, some are just more successful than others.
http://www.sportingintelligence.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Prem-transfers-decade-updateJPEG24.8.11.jpg
Then theres the rest that are financed by suger daddy's.
All that chart shows, is that you are spending more than you earn, so you're not going about it the "right way", say a club like Arsenal are doing.
Makavelian
27-08-2011, 13:49
Money you have earned? You're in some serious, serious debt. You're spending money that you you do no have.
All the money that has been spent has been earned by the club!
Mentioning the debt is irrelevant to my point ,we can always stand on our own two feet as a club .
All that chart shows, is that you are spending more than you earn,
My point was theres bigger spenders than UTD without half the success.You think that represents all the finances?:facepalm:
All the money that has been spent has been earned by the club!
Mentioning the debt is irrelevant to my point ,we can always stand on our own two feet as a club .
My point was theres bigger spenders than UTD without half the success.You think that represents all the finances?:facepalm:
You're the one who wanted to bring the financial aspect in this, but now mentioning your poor financial status (£450m+ in debt) is irrelevent ;)
Maka, I'm afraid you have no chance of winning this argument. You can bring up Chelsea lack of youth stars to date but that doesn't mean that we're brilliant at doing it ourselves. Of the <23 years in our squad, how many did we buy in when they were nearing the end of their teens? Smalling, Jones, Da Silvas?
Just seems Maka is trying to tell me things I already know, in an attempt to piss me off. But in the end, I don't really care.
I wish we could bring through more of our own players, but I can't really do anything about the way Chelsea is run.
I ackknowledge that Man United has brought through young players in the past, but to try and make out that they are doing it constantly today is just not correct.
Makavelian
27-08-2011, 14:13
You're the one who wanted to bring the financial aspect in this, but now mentioning your poor financial status (£450m+ in debt) is irrelevent ;)
Certainly is to the point i was making,everything has been earned.Before or after the Glazers saddled us with debt.
I ackknowledge that Man United has brought through young players in the past, but to try and make out that they are doing it constantly today is just not correct.
Were dd i say we consistently have youth players coming through?
I was just pointing out that UTD players are given more time to make it to the first team than Chelsea.
Certainly is to the point i was making,everything has been earned.Before or after the Glazers saddled us with debt.
Were dd i say we consistently have youth players coming through?
I was just pointing out that UTD players are given more time to make it to the first team than Chelsea.
Only because we can't afford to buy the kind of players Chelsea can. Torres for £50m? We'd be lucky to be able to afford £40m.
Makavelian
27-08-2011, 14:39
^What was there excuse before Roman bought his play thing?
Chelsea brought through the likes of Duberry, Morris and Sinclair in the mid 90s, adding to the already Eddie Newton and later John Terry. You've answered the question yourself; we had the money (through success) at the time so were a) able to invest in developing our youth system and b) buy talented players for them to play with, learn off etc.
I've always been one to enjoy having a pop at Chelsea, but I don't think there's anything in this one. Other than Arsenal, who else has brought through floods of talent? Even Arsenal brought theirs abroad and trained them up. Wilshere I think might be the first decent Englishmen they've brought through.
Bammers05
27-08-2011, 15:08
I've always been one to enjoy having a pop at Chelsea, but I don't think there's anything in this one. Other than Arsenal, who else has brought through floods of talent? Even Arsenal brought theirs abroad and trained them up. Wilshere I think might be the first decent Englishmen they've brought through.
Ashley Cole?
Meyyappan
27-08-2011, 17:47
Ashley Cole?
Lol
Lol
Thanks for the useful input Meyyappan
Bammers05
27-08-2011, 18:23
Lol
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Meyyappan
27-08-2011, 18:25
?
Sometimes the obvious is funny to a wrong answer.
Bammers05
27-08-2011, 18:26
Sometimes the obvious is funny to a wrong answer.
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Makavelian
27-08-2011, 18:29
I love this guy.
:shaq:
Wilshere I think might be the first decent Englishmen they've brought through.
Wilshere is more than decent in my opinion; he's absolute class.
Quality first half. Shame De Gea couldn't save Walcotts shot but it was always going to happen after he made that penalty save.
Young and Rooney connection :smug:
I thought Cleverley and Anderson were good today as it happens. Welbeck looked good as well ... better than Kevin Doyle in fact (;))
Dragonfly
28-08-2011, 18:34
I wonder if Fick's changed his mind about Young, not that he's faced the toughest of opponents so far this season.
Makavelian
28-08-2011, 18:45
I fully expected us to win but never seen this humiliation coming.
That penalty save was such a crucial point in the match.De Gea maybe could of done better with the Walcott goal but apart from that he was exceptional.
I wonder if Fick's changed his mind about Young, not that he's faced the toughest of opponents so far this season.
I thought it was Mike who was unsure on Young?
I wonder if Fick's changed his mind about Young, not that he's faced the toughest of opponents so far this season.
Young has been fantastic since joining, both his goals today were fantastic today. I wasn't entirely sure about his purchase but if he's keeping Valencia/Park out of the team...good on him.
Phatmann
28-08-2011, 18:53
I thought it was Mike who was unsure on Young?
Yes, I was unsure but I think fick was dead against the signing of Young. In the last 2 games Young has impressed me and I hope that he continues to do so for the rest of the season.
Viperized
28-08-2011, 18:53
Yep, and it certainly is.A lot of money what has been invested into the youth setup what was all earned by the the club.
Yep,.First team success Built on signing expensive players what the club has earned to buy, plus homegrown talent.
So do every other big club spend big, some are just more successful than others.
http://www.sportingintelligence.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Prem-transfers-decade-updateJPEG24.8.11.jpg
this is a depressing chart. at least for me.
we've got more money than 95% of the teams on that list yet still can't afford to add some stars.
Aye, hard to see Valencia getting a place in the starting line up as it stands, depends on Nani going off the boil.
Makavelian
28-08-2011, 18:54
Young has been fantastic since joining, both his goals today were fantastic today. .
His first goal
:datass:
I thought Young's second goal was better, right in the top corner. Luvvely jubbly.
Makavelian
28-08-2011, 18:58
I thought Young's second goal was better, right in the top corner. Luvvely jubbly.
Young+:square:+:R2:=Winning
Foxhound
28-08-2011, 19:02
Anyone noticed Anderson distracting the goalkeeper for both free-kicks?
Makavelian
28-08-2011, 19:09
I saw the arsenal(can't spell his name) keeper laughing ,and wondered why ,but then the commentators said Anderson was pulling faces or something and it being unsportsmanlike.I want to see what he was doing.Sure motd 2 will be all over that shit.
I saw that and the commentator basically said it was cheating...It's not as if anderson was stood giving him a bear hug or anything.
I watched the game and didn't think it was that much of a big deal. As Merson said back in his day Dixon would have been on the far post. So funny faces or not from Anderson it wouldn't have mattered had they covered the far post.
Makavelian
28-08-2011, 19:19
It has been alleged that he was caught whipping his hair back and forth.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ghW_LCUQ3gQ/TdxNCCBvvII/AAAAAAAABcU/kKSYvNi69A0/s1600/C_71_article_1057229_image_lis t_image_list_item_0_image.jpg
Young was celebrating as soon as he hit his first, knew it was in.
Rio, Vidic, Rafael and Fletcher to come back too.
Makavelian
28-08-2011, 19:30
Hopefully Fletcher doesn't work his way back in the first team.
Trenchant
28-08-2011, 19:32
Absolutely stellar performance today!!
Surprising how well Wellbeck is doing up front, and Philly Jones has to be the bargain of the season.
@ Maka: Who's Fletcher? :kanyelaugh:
Makavelian
28-08-2011, 19:36
Surprising how well Wellbeck is doing up front
Better than Doyle.
Better than Doyle.
http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac11/sophie0hp/GIF/oh-no-you-didnt.gif?t=1278852000
Makavelian
28-08-2011, 19:46
Your pics never work for me :(
:no:
edit:
Lindegaard is quality!
"ALindegaard Anders Lindegaard
8-2 says everything.......not arrogant - just better!"
Trenchant
28-08-2011, 19:50
Better than Doyle.
haha. :w00t
Shame we have to wait 5 weeks to see him again, didn't think the injury would be so severe.
how would everyone rate De Gea this game?
Makavelian
28-08-2011, 19:56
Had some guy come round to my house the other day asking if i support the new fc utd stadium being built near by .I'm pretty sure 95% of the no's are going to be citeh fans.
Paul Merton was nearly in tears by the end, feel sorry for Wenger but so pleased to see every player put in a good show even if the opposition were poor. De Gea was much better today, although i do want Lindegaard to be given a chance :/
Makavelian
28-08-2011, 21:02
Paul Merton was nearly in tears by the end.
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/5/13/1305302193376/Paul-Merton-008.jpg
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Phone correction :L But that would be an idea.... get him and Fry as pundits...Maybe it could give PES a new feel.
AgentZero
29-08-2011, 02:23
Fuck yes!
FutebolArte
29-08-2011, 02:31
I'd 8-2 be an Arsenal fan now....
AgentZero
29-08-2011, 02:36
Berry did that on facebook already.
FutebolArte
29-08-2011, 07:34
well i aint got barry on facebook do I?
Anyone getting bored of seeing all EIGHT goals on highlights yet?
I know I'm not :laugh:
Makavelian
29-08-2011, 15:59
I'm getting bored now of the highlights .
So i've started watching them backwards.:joel:
VoFEKPPf3Tw
I'd 8-2 be an Arsenal fan now....
Good one! :lol:
@JTGozo Joe Theuma
#nufc dealing with Man Utd for Macheda on a season's loan according to Sky Italia.
5 minutes ago
He needs to go out on loan again; hopefully actually score this time. Can see him going back to Italy after this season. Diouf will go too, and either Owen or Berbatov.
That said, only 48 hours for it to happen (perma transfers).
Makavelian
30-08-2011, 14:02
René Meulensteen has said there still a possibility that Sneijder deal could go through.
He's been dying for Man United to go for Sneijder all summer, so no surprise he is saying this.
Ah well. I don't even care anymore, cause it seems 777 isn't coming back.
Ah well. I don't even care anymore, cause it seems 777 isn't coming back.
How come? Perhaps his ground breaking idea of renovation has propelled him to a level of wealth that doesn't require him to come on here anymore?
I still say change his name. Mrs Jonno394 sounds like a winner.
IronCity
30-08-2011, 14:30
Anyone getting bored of seeing all EIGHT goals on highlights yet?
I know I'm not :laugh:
Maybe I am getting bored with highlights and that could explain the reason I re-watched the entire match last night.
Would Rep you iron for the commitment but I need to spread the love.
Anyways, Talk of Macheda going out on loan to a premiership team. QPR, Newcastle being linked. Would like him to go to a decent team and not a relegation threatened team. Newcastle would be a good move imo.
AgentZero
31-08-2011, 00:54
id like him to end up at NUFC, theyre a pretty exciting bunch this year.
Newcastle seems a very feasible option, and I'm sure Newcastle wouldn't mind him, even if just to use as a sub. Lets face it, Ameobi isn't exactly a fan favourite, and one of their reserve strikers Nile Ranger is probably going to jail for breaking someone's jaw (won't help his case that he was posing with a gun not so long ago too). I think ultimately NUFC could do with a little extra help in the striking department, so Macheda might be a welcome addition.
Newcastle seems a very feasible option, and I'm sure Newcastle wouldn't mind him, even if just to use as a sub. Lets face it, Ameobi isn't exactly a fan favourite, and one of their reserve strikers Nile Ranger is probably going to jail for breaking someone's jaw (won't help his case that he was posing with a gun not so long ago too). I think ultimately NUFC could do with a little extra help in the striking department, so Macheda might be a welcome addition.
"Gangster first. Footballer second"
Foxhound
01-09-2011, 04:41
So, Sneijder isn't coming after all. Ziss (or was it someone else?) must be happy that he was right.
Joel will be a lot happier than I will, as I really wanted him to join us :(
Viperized
01-09-2011, 10:40
Newcastle seems a very feasible option, and I'm sure Newcastle wouldn't mind him, even if just to use as a sub. Lets face it, Ameobi isn't exactly a fan favourite, and one of their reserve strikers Nile Ranger is probably going to jail for breaking someone's jaw (won't help his case that he was posing with a gun not so long ago too). I think ultimately NUFC could do with a little extra help in the striking department, so Macheda might be a welcome addition.
What a cunt. Got a pic?
Is he really named Nile Ranger? That's pretty awesome.
Sneijder has said that their was interest in both sides and says he would of loved the move. However before SAF got in touch with him we dropped our interest..probably around the same time we came back to beat city 3-2. SAF obviously feels we don't actually need him.
I'm personally very happy with out squad. De Gea is getting a rough time but that was expected because of his age and experience. Ashley Young is looking quality, seems like he's taken the step up and could be decent opposition for Park and Valencia. Phil Jones has settled in nicely, very comfortable. solid and strong and is great on the ball for a centre half.
Smalling is looking great, even at right back he has really shone. Ando and Cleverly are making a great midfield duo...alot of energy, great passing ability and link ups. Rooney is proving he is sharp and with Welbeck scoring against Spurs and Arsenal can see him keeping Berba and Hernandez out the team until they're fully fit and on form.
The future is looking good for us tbh!
I'd read that he thought he was coming to United as Inter had to sell either him or Eto'o and he was happy to join, however is very happy at Inter and living in Italy.
Tbh, it did seem like he really wanted to move to Man United. He is happy in Italy, but if he had a choice, he'd be at Old Trafford right now.
Can't believe 777 is gone :angry:
Makavelian
01-09-2011, 12:04
He's whipped.Thats why he was never going to leave Milan.
Yeh. Who can argue with him? The lifestyle he has in Italy must be quality. His wife said she'd follow him to anywhere that he wanted to go.
Tbh, it did seem like he really wanted to move to Man United. He is happy in Italy, but if he had a choice, he'd be at Old Trafford right now.
Can't believe 777 is gone :angry:
Is that official? Is he gone for good?
Tbh, it did seem like he really wanted to move to Man United. He is happy in Italy, but if he had a choice, he'd be at Old Trafford right now.
Can't believe 777 is gone :angry:
Would you leave your club for less money and arguably a less decent lifestyle with shitty climate? I doubt I would.
Is that official? Is he gone for good?
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Would you leave your club for less money and arguably a less decent lifestyle with shitty climate? I doubt I would.
Nah, he was never leaving unless he got paid the wages he is currently earning. I kept telling 777 this, but he would not listen.
Sneijder loves DAT money.
It's easy for us to look on and say "but he's earning more than enough already, would a drop make that much a difference", but he's probably set up for a certain level of living based on his and his wife's income. Like I said, I doubt many on here would make the move unless you were forced, or it was to a boyhood team (ala Robbie Keane).
Shame. Can only hope for next season, eh? You happy with Meireles? Quality player; I can like him now, as he doesn't play for the wallpushers :)
It's easy for us to look on and say "but he's earning more than enough already, would a drop make that much a difference", but he's probably set up for a certain level of living based on his and his wife's income. Like I said, I doubt many on here would make the move unless you were forced, or it was to a boyhood team (ala Robbie Keane).
After this summer I question his ambition. Manchester United is very much on the up (as usual). Ok, he would ghave had to take a slight pay cut, but he'd still would have raked in shit loads of money from merchandise sales, etc.
He would have spread his popularity even further - which he needs to do, as last year he should have won World Player of the Year, but playing in Serie A may have hampered that.
Saying this, I still say you are better of without him. This is only going to help the Cleverley and Anderson partnership and who knows how good that can get?
Shame. Can only hope for next season, eh? You happy with Meireles? Quality player; I can like him now, as he doesn't play for the wallpushers :)
Last night I was kind of annoyed with it. But since then I've been able to think about it and I realise it's a good signing for the squad.
At this moment, our three starting midfielders (Lamps, Mikel and Ramires) are the only senior ones we have available. Essien is the only other one and he is injured. for a while McEachran and Romeu are both teenagers. African Cup of Nations is also this year. So Mikel will be gone.
So having another experienced head (who AVB knows) is a positive, not a negative in the way I made it out to be last night. Josh and Romeu can still get playing time with him around.
I'm loving what I've seen of the Anderson/Cleverley partnership so far. Was having a discussion with PEM the other day, and he was saying Anderson was terrible (which I took offense too). Granted he's not a world beater, but he's finally coming good, and I think the two of them compliment each other.
I would have liked Meireles at OT, but we all knew that was never going to happen :)
AgentZero
02-09-2011, 00:39
hahaha that muppet was so sure that Sneijder was coming, im glad he didnt just for this.
Phatmann
02-09-2011, 01:02
Anyone know what's happening with Kuszczak? I thought we would have sold him in the window but it seems that nothing materialised. His contract is up at the end of the season so it'd be nice to get a few million from selling him while we can. I was expecting Gibson to go too but I imagine the injury he picked up recently halted any possible move.
No one was either of them, because they are proper gash.
Kuszczak and Diouf will go out on loan soon. I think that Kuszczak will have a cheap buy now clause in his contract but he will most probably leave on a free.
Not so sure about Gibson..
I'm surprised Bruce didn't take him to Sunderland considering he's creating Manchester United B team.
I'm surprised Bruce didn't take him to Sunderland considering he's creating Manchester United B team.
Wasn't he supposed to, but his wage demand was too high? :huh:
Then was linked with Villa before he got injured and scuppered any developments there.
Billy Minof
02-09-2011, 18:42
I'm loving what I've seen of the Anderson/Cleverley partnership so far.
Best of luck if ye meet Barca this season with the awesome MF. :erm:
Meyyappan
02-09-2011, 19:18
Best of luck if ye meet Barca this season with the awesome MF. :erm:
A two legged tie with Barca playing a 3-4-3 like they did against villa real would be fun,i would 8-2 be an manu fan at that time.
------------Villa
Sanchez-------------Messi
Iniesta---Xavi---Keita----Fabregas
--------Abidal-----Puy0l----Pique
Valdez
Why are you using 8-2 jokes when you were on the receiving end?
Isn't it your bed time soon? As it's fast approaching quarter 2 8...
Fuck Barcelona. I don't give a shit about any other teams in Europe let alone Barca, but if United can do the good job of disposing them (if you meet them), please do!
Sneijder has reportedly told friends his move from Internazionale to United could be back on in January.
It is though United agreed a £30m fee with Inter for the Dutch playmaker, but pulled out over his extravagant personal terms.
The Sunday Mirror claims Sneijder demanded a private jet and asked United to buy his house in Italy.
And you want this guy at your club?
I think his greed scuppered the move, I read that story the other day and doubt any of its true these stories always come out at convenient times. He's missed his chance anyway, another report today suggests sneijder stayed at inter due to mourinho's advice, Sneijder is trying to get back on side with the inter fans with his latest comments in my opinion.
I'd take that with a pinch of salt. What player really demands a private jet? There's no way that will be true given how expensive private jets are not only to buy, but also to maintain. I truly find it difficult to believe Sneijder would demand such a thing, especially given he'd be touring everywhere with the team, not himself. The huge wages? I can easily believe. But such things as a private jet and demanding United buy his old home from him is nonsense I think it's safe to say. Even just the first few words in the quoted message bring it into doubt 'Sneijder has reportedly told friends'.... riiiiight.
I'd take that with a pinch of salt. What player really demands a private jet? There's no way that will be true given how expensive private jets are not only to buy, but also to maintain. I truly find it difficult to believe Sneijder would demand such a thing, especially given he'd be touring everywhere with the team, not himself. The huge wages? I can easily believe. But such things as a private jet and demanding United buy his old home from him is nonsense I think it's safe to say. Even just the first few words in the quoted message bring it into doubt 'Sneijder has reportedly told friends'.... riiiiight.
Yeah but football is ridiculous, Madrid paid you £80m for Ronaldo. No one man is worth £80m for kicking a ball around.
Original?
04-09-2011, 13:01
Yeah but football is ridiculous, Madrid paid you £80m for Ronaldo. No one man is worth £80m for kicking a ball around.
If someone is willing to pay that much, then clearly they are worth that much... at least to the people who paid the price.
Billy Minof
04-09-2011, 13:22
If someone is willing to pay that much, then clearly they are worth that much... at least to the people who paid the price.
Who else can get you 50+ goals a season, he is clearly worth the money spent by the club, it may be ridiculous to us to see that much money being spent on players but the revenue he brings to club exceeds his cost and he has proved to be worth it both on and off the pitch.
Football exists in a bubble all of its own, regardless of a team being prepared to pay £80m for a player, a player is never worth £80m ... of course unless that player is viewed entirely as a financial commodity. A la Beckham.
Billy Minof
04-09-2011, 13:49
Football exists in a bubble all of its own, regardless of a team being prepared to pay £80m for a player, a player is never worth £80m ... of course unless that player is viewed entirely as a financial commodity. A la Beckham.
But he is not just viewed entirely as a financial commodity but he does have that going for him, you add that to the fact that he is great player (top 2 in the world depending on your preference) and he worth every penny and more.
If Carrol is worth 40, Torres is worth 50, Kaka 60 Modric 40 etc then Ronaldo is worth 80, superior player to them all and more marketable than them all.
Original?
04-09-2011, 13:55
Football exists in a bubble all of its own, regardless of a team being prepared to pay £80m for a player, a player is never worth £80m ... of course unless that player is viewed entirely as a financial commodity. A la Beckham.
If they were not worth £80m, they would not be bought for that price. Owning Ronaldo is clearly more desirable than £80m cash for Real Madrid, unless you are claiming that the club is entirely irrational and enjoys haemorrhaging cash. Value/Worth is not a constant, clearly Ronaldo was not worth £80m to Manchester United but he was to Real Madrid.
If they were not worth £80m, they would not be bought for that price. Owning Ronaldo is clearly more desirable than £80m cash for Real Madrid, unless you are claiming that the club is entirely irrational and enjoys haemorrhaging cash. Value/Worth is not a constant, clearly Ronaldo was not worth £80m to Manchester United but he was to Real Madrid.
And thus the flaw.
The £80m used to purchase Ronaldo wasn't their money. You should know this.
Perez sold a vision of the future to his creditors. This is how Italian Football once operated. "Speculate to accumulate".
The transfer in itself was a gross statement of excess by Perez.
We could split hairs all day about the Ronaldo transfer but the point remains. No footballer is worth £80m. Look beyond the short term greed and clawing nature of football.
Billy Minof
04-09-2011, 14:57
And thus the flaw.
The £80m used to purchase Ronaldo wasn't their money. You should know this.
Perez sold a vision of the future to his creditors. This is how Italian Football once operated. "Speculate to accumulate".
The transfer in itself was a gross statement of excess by Perez.
We could split hairs all day about the Ronaldo transfer but the point remains. No footballer is worth £80m. Look beyond the short term greed and clawing nature of football.
But your point was that if he was used for marketing like the Beckham transfer then he would be worth it but he is one better as he is also one of the best footballers on the planet aswell as having the marketing value and target audience, have you not seen kids these days, they all want to look like Ronaldo, they wear pink boots, greased hair and try to mimic him on the pitch, the fellow is worth alot more than the 80m paid for him, also you have to take into account that he signed for one of the biggest teams in the World at the time increasing the chances of record jersey sales and international fame and the price tag also helped as it was so well documented that the free advertising off of it also generated interest in him and the club attracting more followers and consequently more revenue for the club.....
Original?
04-09-2011, 15:33
And thus the flaw.
The £80m used to purchase Ronaldo wasn't their money. You should know this.
Perez sold a vision of the future to his creditors. This is how Italian Football once operated. "Speculate to accumulate".
The transfer in itself was a gross statement of excess by Perez.
We could split hairs all day about the Ronaldo transfer but the point remains. No footballer is worth £80m. Look beyond the short term greed and clawing nature of football.
Prestige has worth, else how do you explain the value of a Bentley?
Prestige has worth, else how do you explain the value of a Bentley?
I doubt anyone could explain the value of David Bentley.
Original?
04-09-2011, 17:16
I doubt anyone could explain the value of David Bentley.
Haha, I'll give you that.
IronCity
05-09-2011, 01:15
I don't think I read it on this thread yet so let me play devil's advocate and start the January transfer rumors for Sneijder right now. Hee hee.
Willing to make a wager with Joel over that?
This made me laugh.
http://www.wesleysneijdertomufccountd own.com/
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Following on from the Arsenal thread, who do you think was our best "bargain buy"? I'll throw a few names in to start;
Peter Schmeichel from Brøndby for £530,000
Eric Cantona from Dirty Leeds for £1,200,000
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer from Molde for £1,500,000
Ultimate777
06-09-2011, 10:55
Christiano Ronaldo for 12 million which lead him to become the most expensive player in the world and arguably one of the best players of his generation.
5 million for vidic who is the best defender in the world bar none.
Oh yeah I forget to ask you Ziss, if you still think Wellbeck shouldn't be in the first team?
Meyyappan
06-09-2011, 11:17
Your best bargains:
1 Cristiano Ronaldo-Obviously being sold for 80million makes it so moreover he was your best player during the 3 seasons you people won 3 consecutive premier leagues,1 champions league and a carling cup.
2 Cantona-Brought you back the league and started the glory days
3 Schmeichel-Arguably best goalkeeper ever.
4 Soalskjaer-Unique and special in his own way and a most loyal and faithful servant,another club never had similar player.
Christiano Ronaldo for 12 million which lead him to become the most expensive player in the world and arguably one of the best players of his generation.
5 million for vidic who is the best defender in the world bar none.
Oh yeah I forget to ask you Ziss, if you still think Wellbeck shouldn't be in the first team?
The profit made on Ronaldo was crazy.
Not yet; a fit Chicharito would still piss over Welbeck. Especially when he only turns it on for 15 minutes out of every 180 ;)
Oh yeah I forgot to ask you, has Wesley been given the number 4 shirt at United?
Ultimate777
06-09-2011, 12:17
The profit made on Ronaldo was crazy.
Not yet; a fit Chicharito would still piss over Welbeck. Especially when he only turns it on for 15 minutes out of every 180 ;)
Oh yeah I forgot to ask you, has Wesley been given the number 4 shirt at United?
:laugh: 2 goals and 1 assist in 3 prem starts says otherwise. Also capello and fergie seem to rate him enough to include him in their squad.
So now you're depending hernendez to keep out wellbeck? What happened to the greatly talented Berbatov? Wellbeck has better link up play than hernandez and once he works on his predatory instinct, then in a few years time once he's his age, he''l be the superior player.
As for Sneijder that's not a subject you can gloat about because that wasn;t a debate between me and you. You were just as much believing the transfer would have happen as me, except there was a part of you hoping he wasn't coming so I could be proven wrong.
:laugh: 2 goals and 1 assist in 3 prem starts says otherwise. Also capello and fergie seem to rate him enough to include him in their squad.
So now you're depending hernendez to keep out wellbeck? What happened to the greatly talented Berbatov? Wellbeck has better link up play than hernandez and once he works on his predatory instinct, then in a few years time once he's his age, he''l be the superior player.
As for Sneijder that's not a subject you can gloat about because that wasn;t a debate between me and you. You were just as much believing the transfer would have happen as me, except there was a part of you hoping he wasn't coming so I could be proven wrong.
How does it say otherwise? Welbeck was easily the worst player on the pitch against Tottenham until his goal. At the time I applauded him for the 10-15 minutes after his goal as his assist for Anderson was class.
Ferguson, who has an injured Hernandez, ill Owen and out of favour Berbatov? Or Capello, who choses players "on merit" yet starts Walcott and names Johnson and Defoe in his squad?
Try not to get too excited over a few games. Remember David Bellion? Manucho? If Welbeck comes good than I will admit I was wrong. Something I don't think you've actually admitted about Sneijder, no?
If I can't gloat too much, how about Downing moving to Liverpool (which I predicted) rather than Arsenal (which you predicted)? :happy:
Ultimate777
06-09-2011, 12:54
How does it say otherwise? Welbeck was easily the worst player on the pitch against Tottenham until his goal. At the time I applauded him for the 10-15 minutes after his goal as his assist for Anderson was class.
Ferguson, who has an injured Hernandez, ill Owen and out of favour Berbatov? Or Capello, who choses players "on merit" yet starts Walcott and names Johnson and Defoe in his squad?
Try not to get too excited over a few games. Remember David Bellion? Manucho? If Welbeck comes good than I will admit I was wrong. Something I don't think you've actually admitted about Sneijder, no?
If I can't gloat too much, how about Downing moving to Liverpool (which I predicted) rather than Arsenal (which you predicted)? :happy:
Wellbeck was the catalyst in helping us win against tottenham as he's the one that started the breakthrough. The same against Arsenal.
Hernandez isn't injured he's just lacking match fitness because he was out for the last few weeks of pre season due to a concussion.
There is nothing wrong with Micheal Owen he's fit and available and ready for when Sir Alex needs him
As for berbatov, maybe you can explain to me why he's out of favour considering how high you rate him, surely he should be starting every match right?
As for Manucho, bellion, you cannot be serious comparing those two players to wellbeck. Manucho never showed any real talent in the first team and bellion scored a few against cannon fodders but then faded out because he lacked all round ability.
Obviously you're still under the impression that wellbeck only has pace, yet the reality is proving otherwise, that the boy has an eye for goal, great awareness of his teammates, brilliant first touch and link up play and tremendous workout.
You're ok and willing to rate cleverly who has done less than wellbeck both internationally and at club level but you can't give credit to wellbeck and want him to fail. Why's that then?
As for sneijder yes I did admit I got it wrong, but these things can change very quickly when dealing with transfers.
There was a lot of tranfers that I got right, like de gea, fabregas, nasri and clichy. You win some and lose some.
"Obviously" you misunderstood my use of Bellion and Manucho. We got excited about Bellion because he started his first season well with us, and Manucho was beasting it for Angola in the ACON. Welbeck has started his first season well, but we've seen what can happen. Now do you understand?
Try to only use the word "obviously" when something is obvious, not just when you misinterpret something.
Wow, you called Fabregas right. You should have got yourself down to Ladbrokes; the odds on that would have been awesome. You could have become a millionaire a couple of months early? ;)
Ultimate777
06-09-2011, 13:18
"Obviously" you misunderstood my use of Bellion and Manucho. We got excited about Bellion because he started his first season well with us, and Manucho was beasting it for Angola in the ACON. Welbeck has started his first season well, but we've seen what can happen. Now do you understand?
Try to only use the word "obviously" when something is obvious, not just when you misinterpret something.
Wow, you called Fabregas right. You should have got yourself down to Ladbrokes; the odds on that would have been awesome. You could have become a millionaire a couple of months early? ;)
I understand perfectly well, you're still comparing him to those sort of players. Why not compare him to hernandez who started well in his first season?
Wow manucho was ''beasting it in the ACON? Being the main man for Anglola in the ACON is totally different to being the main man at a club like United in the premiership.
Only gimps were getting excited about manucho. It was fairly obvious from the beginning he was going to be another Dong player.
Bellion never had the football brain to make it at United or the all round ability. Just another obertan or one trick pony.
Well beck is on another level to those two players so it's stupid comparing and saying what happened to them could happen to Wellbeck
Oh yeah and well done on avoiding the questions I asked.
As for fabregas, I was saying it he was defintely joining Barca for 35 mill back in June before negotiations had even taken place and had people like LM telling me it wasn't ever going to happen :laugh:
I didn't compare him to Hernandez because I was getting the point across of not getting too excited about a player after three games? Or at least trying to, completely forgetting you can't read.
So Manucho carrying a very average Angola in the ACON isn't to be built up, but Welbeck carrying an average England U21s is?
So anyone who was hoping Manucho to do well was a gimp, but it was only "fairly" obvious he wasn't going to? How does that make sense? If it's only fairly obvious, then there must be a chance of it going the other way, and if that's the case how does that make someone a gimp?
:laugh: I completely forgot about Dong :laugh:
One trick pony? Was that not what Ronaldo was when we bought him? It's easy to evaluate a player once time has passed, and that's my point that you are somehow not quite getting? How Welbeck is on another level to any other youngster we've tried to bring through since the Beckham/Neville/Scholes era I'm not quite sure?
The Berbatov remark wasn't a question. How would my, and a million other's, opinion of a player get him in the starting line up, when only one man has a say in that?
As for sneijder yes I did admit I got it wrong, but these things can change very quickly when dealing with transfers.
What things? Paper talk? The only concrete thing was that Inter needed to sell either Eto'o or Sneijder, to generate some cash. IF Eto'o hadn't been sold with the last couple of days of the transfer window left, then Sneijder may have gone, but not to us. City or Chelsea would have come in when we admitted that we can't afford his wages and snapped him up.
Unless you have inside sources (which going on your Sneijder sources you only have a copy of The Sun and Bryan Swanson's mobile number) you didn't "definitely" know Fabregas was going. A lot of us were confident he would move, but none of us definite. Otherwise we would have put bet our mortgages on it, right?
Ultimate777
06-09-2011, 16:03
I didn't compare him to Hernandez because I was getting the point across of not getting too excited about a player after three games? Or at least trying to, completely forgetting you can't read.
You're forgetting he's not just played 3 games for united. He's played 28 games for United in total and in most of them he's looked impressive even when he was just 17 he was scoring for us in the CC. As for me not being able to read how come I'm able to respond to your posts and highlight the numerous ongoing errors?
So Manucho carrying a very average Angola in the ACON isn't to be built up, but Welbeck carrying an average England U21s is?
If you think playing for angola in the ACON when no one is watching is on par to performing for England in the european champions then you clearly don't have a clue about football.
So anyone who was hoping Manucho to do well was a gimp, but it was only "fairly" obvious he wasn't going to? How does that make sense? If it's only fairly obvious, then there must be a chance of it going the other way, and if that's the case how does that make someone a gimp?
It was gimpish to expect he was going to perform for united the way he did for Angola. His basic skills was atrocious. He had a touch of an elephant
One trick pony? Was that not what Ronaldo was when we bought him? It's easy to evaluate a player once time has passed, and that's my point that you are somehow not quite getting? How Welbeck is on another level to any other youngster we've tried to bring through since the Beckham/Neville/Scholes era I'm not quite sure?
No ronaldo had skills and was a match winner as soon as he joined. The press made him out to be a one trick pony because of his inconsistency and there was underlying xenophobia towards him because they feared him
The Berbatov remark wasn't a question. How would my, and a million other's, opinion of a player get him in the starting line up, when only one man has a say in that?
Well you said he was more talented than rooney, so it would stay to reason considering that you have so much faith in what you say that he would be in the starting 11 over even ahead of rooney in the pecking order.
What things? Paper talk? The only concrete thing was that Inter needed to sell either Eto'o or Sneijder, to generate some cash. IF Eto'o hadn't been sold with the last couple of days of the transfer window left, then Sneijder may have gone, but not to us. City or Chelsea would have come in when we admitted that we can't afford his wages and snapped him up.
Wrong again, Sniejder himself confirmed he was in talks with United, his father even admitted and fergie suggested the deal was difficult. It was on course to happen but when Fergie assessed the team during the community shield and first game he changed his mind where sneijder instead of becoming a necessity became a luxury.
Unless you have inside sources (which going on your Sneijder sources you only have a copy of The Sun and Bryan Swanson's mobile number) you didn't "definitely" know Fabregas was going. A lot of us were confident he would move, but none of us definite. Otherwise we would have put bet our mortgages on it, right?
Of course I knew for definite he was going to barcalona, I told LM to watch out on SSN on the ticker for when it would say arsenal agree fee with Barcalona for 35 million and that was back in June before any kind of negotiations picked up pace. The thing is I'm not a gambling man, so you wouldn't see me running down to Ladbrokesin line with the local pissheads to place a bet simply because I don't need to
I'm not going to bother multi-quoting you, so I'll bullet-point it all.
25 of which were either five minute cameos in heavy wins or cup games against minnows. The only things I recall him ever doing were scoring against Stoke and being utter shit against Everton in an FA Semi Final. Errors? Again, you fail to read and understand posts. Have I said he's only played 3 games for United? No. He spent almost 18 months away on loan before this season, so unless you've been getting a semi over him since 2009 and been hailing him as the next best thing since sliced bread then as far as arguments go he's 3 games into his United career.
I watched the ACON, as did millions of other football fans. How are you able to make an assessment on his career around that time if you didn't watch the ACON and only saw Manucho in a United shirt several times? I suppose making the team of the tournament and scoring arguably (not sure if was officially voted) the goal of the tournament in the ACON isn't a touch on scoring several goals in an U21 team that didn't even manage to record a win, eh?
Ronaldo was not a match winner when he joined us. He had heaps of potential, and the media were right to cling onto his showboating, as his final delivery, shooting etc was poor. Xenaphobia? lol, so they were Xenaphobic towards a young Ronaldo, but never a young Fabregas? Stop talking shit, it's getting tiring.
He is more talented than Rooney. Federer is more talented than Nadal, O'Sullivan than Williams, but does that make them better, or more of a winner? No. I called Berbatov more talented than Rooney and was backed up by many users on here. I'm not sure why you're so obsessed by it? If you had asked me who was a better player, then that's a whole different question altogether.
Sneijder only admitted he thought he was on his way to Old Trafford after the window had closed. He was a prick tease throughout and many players' fathers have said things to the press that turn out to be bullshit, this being another. Ferguson was well aware of what Sneijder was earning in Italy, and knew from the start that we wouldn't be able to match it. I believe (see how I'm not committing to knowing something I couldn't possibly know? Take note) it would have taken an offer for one of our current midfielders, or a serious injury for him to break what limp wage structure we have in place to bring him in.
You didn't know Fabregas was going to go, just like you didn't know Sneijder was going to join United. You commit to "knowing" and if it happens, good for you, you get to gloat. But when it doesn't happen, you twist everything into making it look like it was a severe twist of fate that stopped it happening.
Meyyappan
06-09-2011, 18:00
Actually no one knows not even astrologers everyone only knows what has already happened.
Maybe doctors Know but other than that no-one does...
Ultimate777
06-09-2011, 18:02
25 of which were either five minute cameos in heavy wins or cup games against minnows. The only things I recall him ever doing were scoring against Stoke and being utter shit against Everton in an FA Semi Final. Errors? Again, you fail to read and understand posts. Have I said he's only played 3 games for United? No. He spent almost 18 months away on loan before this season, so unless you've been getting a semi over him since 2009 and been hailing him as the next best thing since sliced bread then as far as arguments go he's 3 games into his United career.
You've got a selective memory. He actually made 12 starts out of those 25 games and scored 7 goals and made 3 assists. Not bad for a 17/18 year old.
You seem to only count the 3 games as a legitimate point in his career for United as if it's just three games that people are getting excited about. He's shown his quality since he came through the academy up into the first team. People like me knew about his quality and cleverly's along time ago. I don't just watch when we score and win a match, I watch the reserves and take note of the up and comings.
I watched the ACON, as did millions of other football fans. How are you able to make an assessment on his career around that time if you didn't watch the ACON and only saw Manucho in a United shirt several times? I suppose making the team of the tournament and scoring arguably (not sure if was officially voted) the goal of the tournament in the ACON isn't a touch on scoring several goals in an U21 team that didn't even manage to record a win, eh?
I saw highlights of his goals and they were good, but never did I think it was enough to make at United ahead of the quality we had which was tevez, rooney and ronaldo up front. He simply wasn't on their level physically, mentality and ability wise. Only a fool would think otherwise. He scored goal of the tournament in the african nations cup so you thought he was world class material, the next drogba right? after all he is big, tall, black and of course he's african. Now that's what I call fickle and short sighted. I mean the guy only started playing football seriously when was 23 years old and you want to compare this clown to wellbeck? As The Miz would say.. Really? Really? Really?
Ronaldo was not a match winner when he joined us. He had heaps of potential, and the media were right to cling onto his showboating, as his final delivery, shooting etc was poor. Xenaphobia? lol, so they were Xenaphobic towards a young Ronaldo, but never a young Fabregas? Stop talking shit, it's getting tiring.
Of course he was, did you watch his debut against bolton? Did you see him help us win the FA cup scoring in the final? The media was quick to criticise even though he was only 18. Tell me what 18 year old is the finished article? Sure there was sides to his game that wasn't on point but he was easily one of our best players with huge amounts of potential that anyone could see.
You obviously must of missed world cup 2006 with rooney/ronaldo gate where he was made a scapegoat and vilified by the media who wanted him to leave the country for madrid that summer
He is more talented than Rooney. Federer is more talented than Nadal, O'Sullivan than Williams, but does that make them better, or more of a winner? No. I called Berbatov more talented than Rooney and was backed up by many users on here. I'm not sure why you're so obsessed by it? If you had asked me who was a better player, then that's a whole different question altogether.
More talented than rooney in what, laziness? Rooney has far more ability than berbatov, that's why he's in the team ahead of him.
Sneijder only admitted he thought he was on his way to Old Trafford after the window had closed. He was a prick tease throughout and many players' fathers have said things to the press that turn out to be bullshit, this being another. Ferguson was well aware of what Sneijder was earning in Italy, and knew from the start that we wouldn't be able to match it. I believe (see how I'm not committing to knowing something I couldn't possibly know? Take note) it would have taken an offer for one of our current midfielders, or a serious injury for him to break what limp wage structure we have in place to bring him in.
Wrong! he admitted there was contact with united a good few weeks before the window closed not just after. There was talks held just like we held talks with nasri. Just because you didn't hear on SSN doesn't mean it didn't happen
You didn't know Fabregas was going to go, just like you didn't know Sneijder was going to join United. You commit to "knowing" and if it happens, good for you, you get to gloat. But when it doesn't happen, you twist everything into making it look like it was a severe twist of fate that stopped it happening.
Yes I knew fabregas was joining barcalona and I was informed by good authority that sniejder was in talks with united this summer. It's not all guesswork, some of us actually have inside info.
Wow, way to miss the point...several times.
Not so much selective; just don't recall him having that great an impact for United.
We are talking about him being a regular Man Utd player going forwards, no? So why would we judge someone's ability or potential on the past? For big games/ocassions then sure, experience is always vital. Merit will always be considered, but if we're comparing Welbeck's 10/11 season against that of Hernandez or Berbatov then Welbeck's lucky to get on the bench, no?
When did I ever say that he was good enough or that he would make it at MUFC? Do you think we bring in players for a couple of million to go straight into the team? Only a fool would think that. I still don't understand how someone can judge a player after two games at a club like you "obviously" did for Manucho?
Ian Wright only turned pro at almost 22 years old, but I suppose he was a clown too, right? As The Rock would say "Shut your hole and know your role!"
:facepalm: So the FA Cup Final was soon after Ronaldo joined us, or almost a year after? WE DID NOT SIGN A MATCH WINNING RONALDO. He couldn't really be considered a match winner until 2006/07. But I suppose a few step overs whilst a few goals up at home to Bolton immediately makes you a match winner in your eyes, right? Mong.
We were talking about signing Ronaldo, not a World Cup THREE YEARS AFTER. There was nothing Xenophobic about his media criticism; he received it as he was a notorious diver, and happened to disgustingly get a club team mate sent off. Any comments made about his nationality were more from fans, rather than the media.
Rooney is a better player than Berbatov, but that was never the debate. Berbatov may spend this season on the bench, but he won't get a strop on and request a leave like your loverboy Wayne did. He may be lazy, he may not turn up for the big games (if he's ever chosen), but at least he's not a cunt.
So three weeks before the window closed, SAF decided not to pursue Sneijder based on Cleverley and Anderson performing well in pre season and a glorified friendly against City? I doubt that. If anything he was put off a last minute gamble on him because of their performances against Tottenham (second half) and against Arsenal.
So you're a 25 year old electrician, soon to be renovator and millionaire, who has a name unique amongst a population of 7 billion people and has sources as reliable as Bryan Swanson? Which part of that isn't bullshit? Your age?
Ultimate777
06-09-2011, 19:57
Wow, way to miss the point...several times.
Not so much selective; just don't recall him having that great an impact for United.
Well he did. He was being talked up back then
We are talking about him being a regular Man Utd player going forwards, no? So why would we judge someone's ability or potential on the past? For big games/ocassions then sure, experience is always vital. Merit will always be considered, but if we're comparing Welbeck's 10/11 season against that of Hernandez or Berbatov then Welbeck's lucky to get on the bench, no?
Wellbeck is now competing with hernandez to partner roo. Berbatov is now fouth choice because wellbeck offers more in terms of being dynamic and workrate. That could all change if berbatov pulls his socks up and starts playing like a United player instead of a midtable footballer.
When did I ever say that he was good enough or that he would make it at MUFC? Do you think we bring in players for a couple of million to go straight into the team? Only a fool would think that. I still don't understand how someone can judge a player after two games at a club like you "obviously" did for Manucho?
You said he looked good at the African nations cup because he scored goal of the tournament and there was no way of knowing that he wasn't cut out for United when every man, woman and their dog knew was going to fail.
The reality is Manucho was a joke, much like obertan and bebe are now. They have no chance of becoming united players. As soon as they stepped on the fucking pitch they looked like dears caught in the headlights.
Ian Wright only turned pro at almost 22 years old, but I suppose he was a clown too, right? As The Rock would say "Shut your hole and know your role!"
So what's manucho doing now then? Surely he's enjoying a similar dazzling career to that ian wright because he also only started playing foobtall professionally in his early twenties. Oh that's right he's playing for Manisaspor, he's obviously their Ian wright!
:facepalm: So the FA Cup Final was soon after Ronaldo joined us, or almost a year after? WE DID NOT SIGN A MATCH WINNING RONALDO. He couldn't really be considered a match winner until 2006/07. But I suppose a few step overs whilst a few goals up at home to Bolton immediately makes you a match winner in your eyes, right? Mong.
In his first season because he was so young he was slowly bedded in but still made an impact with 4 goals and 4 assists in 14 appearences. That is very effective for an 17 year old. The following season he scored 9 goals and made 6 assists in 2004/05 and was one of our best players. The next 12 goals and 7 assists. That is a match winner. He started to produce world class performances in 2006/07 and get in the 20 goal+bracket. He was always improving and never once looked out of place in the team, only so often he would have games where he'd make the wrong decisions similar to how nani was a few seasons back, but you knew he had real talent.
You can't fucking say the same about players like Manucho and david fucking bellion. They were circus acts from start to finish.
We were talking about signing Ronaldo, not a World Cup THREE YEARS AFTER. There was nothing Xenophobic about his media criticism; he received it as he was a notorious diver, and happened to disgustingly get a club team mate sent off. Any comments made about his nationality were more from fans, rather than the media.
You really are a sun reader. So ronaldo used mind control to force rooney to stamp on carvalho's? The press were calling him a greasy Portugueser
Rooney is a better player than Berbatov, but that was never the debate. Berbatov may spend this season on the bench, but he won't get a strop on and request a leave like your loverboy Wayne did. He may be lazy, he may not turn up for the big games (if he's ever chosen), but at least he's not a cunt.
:laugh: Berbatov has already done that. This is why I say you have a selective memory. He boycotted while at spurs refusing to play until he got his move to United. So sorry to break your fanboy bubble but he's already proven he's a cunt
So three weeks before the window closed, SAF decided not to pursue Sneijder based on Cleverley and Anderson performing well in pre season and a glorified friendly against City? I doubt that. If anything he was put off a last minute gamble on him because of their performances against Tottenham (second half) and against Arsenal.
Once he saw how good they were in pre seasona those two games against spurs and arse, he was more relaxed about the situation rather than feeling pressured to buy at all costs.
So you're a 25 year old electrician, soon to be renovator and millionaire, who has a name unique amongst a population of 7 billion people and has sources as reliable as Bryan Swanson? Which part of that isn't bullshit? Your age?
If it makes you feel secure enough where you can look in the mirror without flinching then go ahead and believe that it's all bullshit
Berbatov won't see many games this season; even when scoring last season he was overlooked for the Rooney/Hernandez partnership. I don't know why we didn't sell him to PSG; might have been able to contribute to the Wesley Sneijder salary fund!
He was very good at the ACON; so how you can call him shit on 30 or so minutes for United is very questionable. The argument has never been about Bellion or Manucho, they were simply examples of young players not making it at United despite looking half decent early on; Bellion for us and Manucho for Angola.
Manucho should have been loaned out for a season, like SAF did with Diouf. Bebe was a disaster from day one and no-one understood the Obertan signing.
Again, you've missed the point. You were ripping him for starting his pro career at a relatively young age, Ian Wright being an example of it not mattering what age you go pro.
You accuse me of reading The Sun when you use it as a source for transfer rumours, such as Wesley's dad? You're also quoting Sun headlines? Bravo!
If Ronaldo had done that away from his national team that wouldn't have been the headline. They simply went with the fact he did it whilst playing for Portugal. I would clasify tabloids as scum before I classed them as media.
Berbatov was trying to force through a move, like umpteen players did this season. He got Spurs £30m for a player who was less than a year away from going on a free. What did Rooney achieve? Already one of the highest, if not THE HIGHEST, paid players at United, he hands in a transfer request out of the blue. Why? To push through a transfer to someone like City, who prior to this showed no interest in him? No, to get even more money. Like he fucking needs it.
But us signing Sneijder at the end of the window didn't fit with SAF's approach of buying all the players we need as soon as the window opened? Eto'o was sold 8 or so days before the window closed. As soon as that happened any interest in Sneijder was lost, as Inter no longer had a reason to sell.
You do spout a lot of bullshit, you must admit? All of what I said, plus a body so perfect it can avoid cancer and girls hanging off each arm? I wouldn't be surprised if you were a previous member completely trolling everyone else, myself included.
Ultimate777
06-09-2011, 21:19
Berbatov won't see many games this season; even when scoring last season he was overlooked for the Rooney/Hernandez partnership. I don't know why we didn't sell him to PSG; might have been able to contribute to the Wesley Sneijder salary fund!
You can blame berbatov for that as he didn't want to move
He was very good at the ACON; so how you can call him shit on 30 or so minutes for United is very questionable. The argument has never been about Bellion or Manucho, they were simply examples of young players not making it at United despite looking half decent early on; Bellion for us and Manucho for Angola.
It's poor to bring them up because they were never on wellbecks level. It's like comparing Arsenal's Park chu young to Dong. They're worlds apart and you won't see wellbeck's career go down the toilet if it doesn't work out at United
Manucho should have been loaned out for a season, like SAF did with Diouf. Bebe was a disaster from day one and no-one understood the Obertan signing.
Hello! Manucho was loaned out to Hull city and Panathinaikos while he was here yet he was still shit
Again, you've missed the point. You were ripping him for starting his pro career at a relatively young age, Ian Wright being an example of it not mattering what age you go pro.
I'm just saying, the fact he only started playing in his twenties gave people a good indication that he wouldn't make it here. He probably trained up on a farm where as someone like ian wright was being trained professionally at crystal palace.
You accuse me of reading The Sun when you use it as a source for transfer rumours, such as Wesley's dad? You're also quoting Sun headlines? Bravo!
It was the Mirror actually and it was hardly their exlusive. It was from a dutch newspaper originally I just chose that as a link. I don't buy the mirror or the sun. You obviously do and take on what they say as gospel as you seem to believe Ronaldo was at fault for rooney getting sent off and england missing their chance of winning the World cup
If Ronaldo had done that away from his national team that wouldn't have been the headline. They simply went with the fact he did it whilst playing for Portugal. I would clasify tabloids as scum before I classed them as media.
Oh right so that's alright then that they called him a greasy Portugueser because he played for his country :laugh: Do you ever read what you write?
Berbatov was trying to force through a move, like umpteen players did this season. He got Spurs £30m for a player who was less than a year away from going on a free. What did Rooney achieve? Already one of the highest, if not THE HIGHEST, paid players at United, he hands in a transfer request out of the blue. Why? To push through a transfer to someone like City, who prior to this showed no interest in him? No, to get even more money. Like he fucking needs it.
I'm not going to justfiy what rooney did, as obviously it was out of order and the turmoil he was going through was all of his own making. However I understand players are human beings and they make mistakes. He's turned it around and I'm sure he has no real affection for City, he was just looking for a way out of the situation which he found himself in and was more of a heat of the moment decision while under stress rather than a calculative move on his part.
Berbatov just wanted to move no matter how much trouble and disrespect he caused to the club who brought him to england to showcase his career. He followed through with his treachery and in my opinion that is worse than what rooney did.
But us signing Sneijder at the end of the window didn't fit with SAF's approach of buying all the players we need as soon as the window opened? Eto'o was sold 8 or so days before the window closed. As soon as that happened any interest in Sneijder was lost, as Inter no longer had a reason to sell.
It's boring now, we can theorise all day the fact is he's not coming and we can look forward to the emerging youngsters getting more first team experience this year.
You do spout a lot of bullshit, you must admit? All of what I said, plus a body so perfect it can avoid cancer and girls hanging off each arm? I wouldn't be surprised if you were a previous member completely trolling everyone else, myself included.
When did I say I had girls hanging off each arm? Yes some people like me will avoid cancer because I take care of myself and no one in my family has ever caught the illness. It's just a fact of life, some of us are more evolved than others, deal with it.
As for me being a previous member, bitch please! Even though it feels like I've been here for a long time I've never been here longer than when I first joined
You two are still going at it? FML.
I must say, all I remember of Ronaldo in the beginning at Man Utd was enormous potential, tons of step-overs with a low success rate and a penchant for diving like I had never seen before. Hardly a game-changer/winner in his first year(s).
Well, I was wrong about how well Ashley Young would fit into our side and how well he would contribute. I remember commenting that Manchester United did not need to sign Ashley Young.
Let's all laugh at Winger, then. :facepalm:
AgentZero
09-09-2011, 00:14
why is he back?! In a bid to stir shit, Hernandez > Wellbeck right now. I doubt Wellbeck can move to a foreign country and plunder 20+goals. Barely did it for Sunderland, lets not fap to the hype but i do hope he proves me wrong. For the record i hate International breaks.
Ultimate777
09-09-2011, 07:41
why is he back?! In a bid to stir shit, Hernandez > Wellbeck right now. I doubt Wellbeck can move to a foreign country and plunder 20+goals. Barely did it for Sunderland, lets not fap to the hype but i do hope he proves me wrong. For the record i hate International breaks.
Who said Wellbeck is better than Hernendez? Why are you here, to talk more uninformed rubbish?
All I was saying to Ziss is that wellbeck clearly deserves his place in the first team instead of this stupid idea that he needs another loan move. And dismissing the fallacy that wellbeck only provides pace to his game and is comparable to the likes of manucho and bellion.
In a few years time there is a possibility that if he fulfils his potential and avoids serious injuries that by the time he's Hernendez's age, he'll be a more complete player than him.
Btw I rated hernendez before you even saw him keep a ball. And I wasn't reserved in my praise, as I knew what he was capable of. Like Fergie said fans like you don't see potential because you don't look that far ahead.
You're only willing to praise when it's safe to do so, when the newspapers,fans and tv outlets are all in union.
Fans like you make me sick. Here we have one of the brightest english talents,a born and bred Mancunian who would bleed for the shirt and we have our own supporters willing for him to fail so they can say ''I told you so''. If he was signed for 18 mil and called welldinho you would be drooling over your keyboard by now. But because he's from manchester you think he's like you. Well he's better than that and just as good as any young oversees player than you can buy from italy, or spain.
Well, I was wrong about how well Ashley Young would fit into our side and how well he would contribute. I remember commenting that Manchester United did not need to sign Ashley Young.
Let's all laugh at Winger, then. :facepalm:
I won't laugh, Winger old pal. I too dismissed Young. I too didn't see how young would fit. I too am eating my words as so far he has been really good & playing better than I think I've ever seen him before. Willing to eat my words though, no matter how humbling that might be.
All I was saying to Ziss is that wellbeck clearly deserves his place in the first team instead of this stupid idea that he needs another loan move. And dismissing the fallacy that wellbeck only provides pace to his game and is comparable to the likes of manucho and bellion.
Bellion was a beast. Super quick, super awesome and super deadly...
...for our reserves.
Dragonfly
09-09-2011, 13:50
Well, I was wrong about how well Ashley Young would fit into our side and how well he would contribute. I remember commenting that Manchester United did not need to sign Ashley Young.
Let's all laugh at Winger, then. :facepalm:
It's only been a month. He could be performing off the buzz of playing for a new team, especially one of Man Utd's stature. Once he properly establishes himself, his form could drop. Plus, the matches Man Utd have had haven't been the most challenging, so far. West Brom was probably your toughtest game.
Having said that, Young has looked good.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-BH0RfUWDMg/Swy-jNkEwZI/AAAAAAAAEA0/yI39aMNg7FQ/s1600/cye-seinfeld.jpg
All I was saying to Ziss is that wellbeck clearly deserves his place in the first team instead of this stupid idea that he needs another loan move. And dismissing the fallacy that wellbeck only provides pace to his game and is comparable to the likes of manucho and bellion.
He doesn't deserve his place in the first team ahead of Rooney or Hernandez?
Sorry, not only has he got Usain Bolt-like pace, but he's also got the shot power of a feather :laugh:
Nor did I compare him to Bellion on Manucho, I compared the scenarios in an attempt to get your tongue out Danny's bumhole, in case he doesn't make it for us.
As for your comment to AgentZero...
lets not fap to the hype but i do hope he proves me wrong
Fans like you make me sick. Here we have one of the brightest english talents,a born and bred Mancunian who would bleed for the shirt and we have our own supporters willing for him to fail so they can say ''I told you so''.
Are you actually serious? :no:
As for tomorow's game, how do we all think we'll get on? I'm going for a one goal margin, however would love to see us carry on our form into a 3 or 4-0 win (then again, who wouldn't?)
IronCity
09-09-2011, 14:02
I love this site: Man U fans fight more with each other than with Liverpool fans.
I love this site: Man U fans fight more with each other than with Liverpool fans.
Liverpool haven't been a threat for the past 20 years, gotta argue with someone! :laugh:
Ultimate777
09-09-2011, 15:56
He doesn't deserve his place in the first team ahead of Rooney or Hernandez?
Sorry, not only has he got Usain Bolt-like pace, but he's also got the shot power of a feather :laugh:
Nor did I compare him to Bellion on Manucho, I compared the scenarios in an attempt to get your tongue out Danny's bumhole, in case he doesn't make it for us.
As for your comment to AgentZero...
Are you actually serious? :no:
As for tomorow's game, how do we all think we'll get on? I'm going for a one goal margin, however would love to see us carry on our form into a 3 or 4-0 win (then again, who wouldn't?)
So you finally managed to crawl out of your hole to respond after having no answer to my last post?
As for wellbeck if he manages to contiune his rich reign of form then he would displace hernendez.
However hopefully hernandez picks up some sharpness through match practice in the next few games while WB is injured and recuptures his form from last season.
I really don't mind who is picked so long as the player is the one in form rather than being picked on name alone.
I think we'll be fine tomorrow, probably finish 2 or 3-1 to us.
I tend to reply at work rather than at home (other than weekends), and the router went pop (not literally) so not had internet other than on my mobile.
If he takes his 20 minute patch against Spurs and reproduces it fairly consistency throughout the season then fair enough, but I'm not one for getting too excited about prospects as they don't always come through.
On said subject, wtf is going on with Macheda? He always has decent pre-seasons for us, and I expected him to either be moved on or shipped out on loan again, but neither happened? Is he just going to "rot" into the reserves? :erm:
Hernandez won't play 90 minutes tomorrow, but it's just about getting match fit (like you said). I see he lasted 45 minutes for Mexico the other day, so hopefully we'll get another hour out of him tomorrow.
Lindegaard in net for you today at Bolton - personal preference from Fergie as he feels Bolton's physicality would give De Gea too many problems, so he's going for Lindegaard instead.
Quite a weird decision if you ask me, considering how well De Gea did against Arsenal.
Now, that is an odd decision!
Clearly a FAIL from Berry :laugh:
Cleverly put on his facebook that he thinks he's broken his foot :/
Cleverly put on his facebook that he thinks he's broken his foot :/
Whaaat?!? [Scoots off to TFF to make transfers]
Makavelian
10-09-2011, 20:25
Clearly a FAIL from Berry :laugh:
His sources are as reliable as 777's.
His sources are as reliable as 777's.
His source WAS Football777 :lmao:
Could be out for 3 months? FFS, if this means the reintroduction of Michael Crabbick then we can wave goodbye to the sexy football :(
Foxhound
11-09-2011, 04:02
For that injury alone, I hope that one of these days, someone will 'accidentally' plant his studs to Davies' face when he makes those heavy tackles.
Ultimate777
11-09-2011, 09:19
Could be out for 3 months? FFS, if this means the reintroduction of Michael Crabbick then we can wave goodbye to the sexy football :(
Disgusting challenge from a disgusting pointless player.
However Cleverly isn't solely responsible for us playing ''sexy playing''. What happened to your philosophy of not getting carried away with the youngsters who say could flop huh?
We still have rooney, hernendez, young, anderson and nani to provide the flair and creativity while carrick even though he doesn't offer the same kind of agility and directness of cleverly, he'll offer better protection for our defenders in the holding role he excels at.
However I forgot that you only rate kick and rush football and don't take notice to what players have to do off the ball in terms of positioning and reading of the game.
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