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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7143259.stm
Ince, your career peaked after Inter Milan turfed you out on your arse. Nothing you ever say or do will make anyone involved in the professional game interested in you ever, ever again.
The Messiah
14-12-2007, 15:49
Can I change the title as it hurts my feelings?
The MK Dons.....dear Lord.
"We have now created a situation where it is very hard for an English manager to get to the top of the tree."
:mellow:
In fairness, he does have a point.
Cannon ball
14-12-2007, 16:49
Paul Ince does like to overate his playing ability and his opinions.
Stella Artois
14-12-2007, 17:20
In fairness, he does have a point.
No, he really doesn't.
No, he really doesn't.
He is right when he says there are a lack of opportunities for English managers. This is one of the only countries where the big sides would rather go for a proven overseas manager as opposed to a domestic based manager, proven at a lower level.
mufcsean
14-12-2007, 17:27
Why does he feel he has to say to say anything on the matter
Why does he feel he has to say to say anything on the matter
Well no doubt a reporter asked him.
Stella Artois
14-12-2007, 17:31
He is right when he says there are a lack of opportunities for English managers. This is one of the only countries where the big sides would rather go for a proven overseas manager as opposed to a domestic based manager, proven at a lower level.
Who was the last England manager? That's right, an Englishman. What did he achieve? Absolutely nothing.
Who was the last England manager? That's right, an Englishman. What did he achieve? Absolutely nothing.
He was never proven at a lower level anyway.
The last time a big four side appointed an English manager was when Liverpool hired Roy Evans in 1994.
Paul Ince does like to overate his playing ability and his opinions.Ince was a quality player.
Cannon ball
14-12-2007, 18:14
He was a very good player, but he makes himself out to be the greatest thing since football was invented.
I remember him doing an interview in the 03/04 season, when Wolves were in the England League. In that particular match he was sent off, then on a MOTD interview he talks about how the ref can tell his grandchildren that he sent Paul Ince off.
Ince was a quality player.
I just remember him being tackled by Baresi and then needlessly kicking the genius that is Franco while both were on the floor.
That makes him forever scum in my eyes. Plus he's a dirty Inter lover. Just like Hodgson.
Definitely Maybe
14-12-2007, 20:13
Who was the last England manager? That's right, an Englishman. What did he achieve? Absolutely nothing.
Last Englishman to win a domestic trophy. Says it all. :huh:
Last week Ince was asked who his picks for the job would be. His choices? Glenn Hoddle or Terry Venables. :no:
The Stig
14-12-2007, 22:13
Steve Coppell and Harry Redknapp are the only real English candidates that stand out.
Definitely Maybe
14-12-2007, 22:15
Steve Coppell and Harry Redknapp are the only real English candidates that stand out.
Even they don't stand out though. Coppell has done an excellent job at Reading, Redknapp the same at Pompey, but getting a team promoted and establishing them mid table doesn't exactly compare to the likes of Mourinho, Lippi and Capello who were in the running.
CaptainCabinet
14-12-2007, 22:20
Even they don't stand out though. Coppell has done an excellent job at Reading, Redknapp the same at Pompey, but getting a team promoted and establishing them mid table doesn't exactly compare to the likes of Mourinho, Lippi and Capello who were in the running.
Believe me, it does when you remember Pompey of 1999 and before. :tongue:
There are no decent English managers, fact.
on the subject of Paul Ince, its nice to see him doing well as a manager but as a player, he wasn't nothing special. Infact, he was very ordinary despite playing for the likes of Man Utd, Inter and Liverpool.
spoonzwba
14-12-2007, 23:28
stay in league 2 or lower ince...arsehole
There are no decent English managers, fact.
Haha, yeah, Coppell and Redknapp are shit.
Haha, yeah, Coppell and Redknapp are shit.
I agree.
Coppell and Redknapp have neither the CV, nouse or the character to manage our national team in my opinion.
Keyser Soze
15-12-2007, 00:29
I agree.
Coppell and Redknapp have neither the CV, nouse or the character to manage our national team in my opinion.
Still "decent" managers though.
Still "decent" managers though.
Agreed. They're good for what they are. You cannot deny that they've done fantastic jobs for their clubs domestically.
I wouldn't never have one of them as England manager though.
Stella Artois
15-12-2007, 09:44
Believe me, it does when you remember Pompey of 1999 and before. :tongue:
Money helps anyone.
CaptainCabinet
15-12-2007, 10:05
Money helps anyone.
Taking us from a struggling Division one club, to a struggling Premiership club on about 7m. Now I'd hardly call that money. Admittedly we have had the funds over the past three seasons yes, though it's hardly like we've spent ridiculously then.
Stella Artois
15-12-2007, 10:09
Taking us from a struggling Division one club, to a struggling England League club on about 7m. Now I'd hardly call that money. Admittedly we have had the funds over the past three seasons yes, though it's hardly like we've spent ridiculously then.
He's become a chequebook manager. Don't even begin to tell me otherwise.
Your player turnover ratio is ridiculous, and just how many of the Championship winning side do you have left?
It was a great achievement to get you promoted, but where were you headed before Gydamak turned up and pumped some funds into the club?
Believe me, it does when you remember Pompey of 1999 and before. :tongue:Fuck that, Keegan's achievements at us out gulf 'Arry by quite some margin, factamundo! Can't see that happening again for a while though.
Just let us not mention England. :blush:
CaptainCabinet
15-12-2007, 10:17
He's become a chequebook manager. Don't even begin to tell me otherwise.
Your player turnover ratio is ridiculous, and just how many of the Championship winning side do you have left?
It was a great achievement to get you promoted, but where were you headed before Gydamak turned up and pumped some funds into the club?
I think that's what I meant, by "Admittedly we have had the funds over the past three seasons yes"
Just how many of your squad from 2002-2003 season are left?
You say that, and actually it was not Gaydamak that saved us that year. Tranfers for David, Mendes and Benjani were already in the running before Gaydamak took over, so that just leaves two regular players that were bankrolled by the new chairman, hardly a crime is it?
Stella Artois
15-12-2007, 10:21
I don't think you can compare our turnover to yours. We brought in players for absolutely fuck all, then after a few years sold them on for a profit when they'd gone beyond the call of duty. Harry on the other hand signed players at random and got rid of them when he found them to be useless - Douala (sp?) in particular, springs to mind.
You honestly believe that you'd have survived without Gydamak?
By the way, Benjani was bought on Wenger's recommendation. ;)
CaptainCabinet
15-12-2007, 10:25
I don't think you can compare our turnover to yours. We brought in players for absolutely fuck all, then after a few years sold them on for a profit when they'd gone beyond the call of duty. Harry on the other hand signed players at random and got rid of them when he found them to be useless - Douala (sp?) in particular, springs to mind.
You honestly believe that you'd have survived without Gydamak?
By the way, Benjani was bought on Wenger's recommendation. ;)
The fact remains, from the regulars of your 2002/03 season, you have none left in your current squad, a whole one less than us. I don't think it's at all at random. Douala, Olisedebe et al are indeed all examples of when gambles didn't pay off.
I think we would have indeed survived without Gaydamak, we wouldn't be anywhere close to where we are now however.
I think we all know about Wenger's recommendations, and I think most of the people on the south coast thank him for that. ;)
Meyyappan
15-12-2007, 11:06
The fact remains, from the regulars of your 2002/03 season, you have none left in your current squad, a whole one less than us. I don't think it's at all at random. Douala, Olisedebe et al are indeed all examples of when gambles didn't pay off.
I think we would have indeed survived without Gaydamak, we wouldn't be anywhere close to where we are now however.
I think we all know about Wenger's recommendations, and I think most of the people on the south coast thank him for that. ;)
Any source that says wenger recommended benjani:unsure:
CaptainCabinet
15-12-2007, 11:07
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Any source that says wenger recommended benjani:unsure:
Harry Redknapp and Wenger and Benjani confirming he did?
Meyyappan
15-12-2007, 11:13
Can you give me a link please?
Stella Artois
15-12-2007, 11:31
http://www.4thegame.com/club/portsmouth-fc/player-profile/28049/benjanimwaruwari.html
Benjani Mwaruwari signed for Portsmouth from French side Auxerre in January 2005. Despite finding life in France hard before the move, he scored 19 goals in 72 league games for Auxerre and was a hero in their 2005 French Cup triumph, scoring in the 2-1 defeat of Sedan in the final. However, he is happy to have moved to Fratton Park.
"I'm very happy to join Portsmouth, I like English football and I want to score goals here," said Mwaruwari.
"I had the chance to join Marseille but I preferred to come here - I speak English but my French was still bad.
New boss Harry Redknapp added: "He's quick and strong, can play and join in with other people. I spoke to Arsene Wenger about him last week. He told me if you can get him, get the next plane over there and bring him back."
He played sixteen times in his first few months at Portsmouth and scored once - the first in a 2-1 victory at Wigan.
This success continued in the 2006/07 season and he is now one of the most important members of Harry Redknapp's team.
CaptainCabinet
15-12-2007, 11:32
New boss Harry Redknapp added: "He's quick and strong, can play and join in with other people. I spoke to Arsene Wenger about him last week. He told me if you can get him, get the next plane over there and bring him back."
I like how that bit sounds like Harry was in the slave trade. Or is that more a slight on me? :erm:
dj_frixshon
17-12-2007, 18:30
all these muppets moanin on about us having an english manager sound stupid to me. why would anyone one want to appoint someone who is going to do nothing with the shambolic england side when theres a perfectly good world class proven manager begging for the job.
ince and his band of merry idiots just sound like there jealous because they are the following..........simply not good enough to be at the very top!
wrathchild_uk
17-12-2007, 20:59
Don't really see how there aint no decent English managers...any random ex player could take charge and do a great job for all we know. McCunt did a shit job but u'd probably put him last on the list of English managers. Hoddle did no worse than Sven and werent paid 10 billion pounds either..
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