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Very rarely. Suzuka 2006 was a perfect piece of 'balls-out' overtaking. Many drivers today seem to just wait till the pit stops and jump cars in front of them rather than do it the 'Hard' way.
That's because the cars are designed that way. The only time you see overtaking is if a Ferrari or Mclaren driver is coming through the field.
I assure you Raikkonen does overtake on the track, 2005 is a perfect example. He had to come through the field on many occasions but they weren't so memorable as Suzuka. Do you remember Monaco last year? where Kimi overtook Mark Webber? That is easily one of the best overtaking manoeuvres i've ever seen, I rate it higher than his move on Fisichella.
-The Trooper-
23-07-2007, 16:54
That's because the cars are designed that way. The only time you see overtaking is if a Ferrari or Mclaren driver is coming through the field.
I assure you Raikkonen does overtake on the track, 2005 is a perfect example. He had to come through the field on many occasions but they weren't so memorable as Suzuka. Do you remember Monaco last year? where Kimi overtook Mark Webber? That is easily one of the best overtaking manoeuvres i've ever seen, I rate it higher than his move on Fisichella.
Yeah I do. I also remember later that afternoon his McLaren spewing it's guts out all over the track. :laugh: :mellow: :ninja:
I agree that it was a very special piece of driving but in fareness the McLaren was a much better than the Williams it was stuck behind.
I feel Raikkonnen's 'wins' in Britian and France are not as special as Alonso's at the Nurenberg ring. Alonso was not in the faster car and made Massa look like a fool - regardless of problems he might have had.
The point im making is that modern F1 drivers seem to have a culture of 'waiting for the stops' and relying on stratergy. It takes away from the real racing. Michael Schumacher, Kimi Rakkonnen are 2 prime example of this.
Yeah I do. I also remember later that afternoon his McLaren spewing it's guts out all over the track. :laugh: :mellow: :ninja:
I agree that it was a very special piece of driving but in fareness the McLaren was a much better than the Williams it was stuck behind.
I feel Raikkonnen's 'wins' in Britian and France are not as special as Alonso's at the Nurenberg ring. Alonso was not in the faster car and made Massa look like a fool - regardless of problems he might have had.
The point im making is that modern F1 drivers seem to have a culture of 'waiting for the stops' and relying on stratergy. It takes away from the real racing. Michael Schumacher, Kimi Rakkonnen are 2 prime example of this.
I can't argue with that.
Alonso's win was very good. Massa didn't have any problems he just sucks in wet weather conditions, where as Alosno is a genius in the wet. This just shows Massa hasn't improved as a driver.
-The Trooper-
23-07-2007, 18:06
I can't argue with that.
Alonso's win was very good. Massa didn't have any problems he just sucks in wet weather conditions, where as Alosno is a genius in the wet. This just shows Massa hasn't improved as a driver.
Agreed. Alonso is a genuis in the wet. Unlike other drivers, he knows that in wet conditions the parts of track off the racing line have much more grip. Watch him as he closed down Massa in the last 10 laps. He was off-line everywhere, just like Senna.
I almost sound like an Alonso fan. :huh:
Raikkonen is boring and a cunt. Alonso is also a cunt, and Massa a sore loser. Thank you.
Spyker for the champs!
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/3506/adolphbanjo3biqg3.gif (http://imageshack.us)
This just shows Massa hasn't improved as a driver.
This wouldn't be the same Massa at Sauber that struggled to finish races and often pushed his car over it's limits?
He has improved vastly as a driver tbh, considering he's won more grand prixs then he did last year (I think) shows he has improved. He just needs to improve on his wet weather driving.
AgentZero
24-07-2007, 00:28
im still shocked webber ended his series of DNFs
EDIT: bloody hell i didnt see the race but f1 has removed most fo the videos on youtube
-The Trooper-
24-07-2007, 07:47
im still shocked webber ended his series of DNFs
EDIT: bloody hell i didnt see the race but f1 has removed most fo the videos on youtube
Mr. Eccelstone going Mussolini on us. :laugh:
You can't get any F1 video's post 1990 ish. :(
This wouldn't be the same Massa at Sauber that struggled to finish races and often pushed his car over it's limits?
He has improved vastly as a driver tbh, considering he's won more grand prixs then he did last year (I think) shows he has improved. He just needs to improve on his wet weather driving.
That's only because he's in a fast car. Ferrari only wanted him to play second fiddle to Michael. Maybe I was a bit harsh on Massa about not improving, I think he has improved as a driver but he isn't a complete driver compared to the likes of Kimi, Alonso and Hamilton.
That's only because he's in a fast car. Ferrari only wanted him to play second fiddle to Michael. Maybe I was a bit harsh on Massa about not improving, I think he has improved as a driver but he isn't a complete driver compared to the likes of Kimi, Alonso and Hamilton.
No he isn't a complete driver I agree with you, he's easily as good as anyone on that grid in the dry, but he isn't as good in the wet.
AgentZero
24-07-2007, 12:17
Mr. Eccelstone going Mussolini on us. :laugh:
You can't get any F1 video's post 1990 ish. :(
true some reason there is a lot of senna's fatal imola crash
Right, having seen the Alonso pit incident, i say that it was deceptive camara work. The honda pitcrew member was looking directly at Alonso and he wasnt taht close. Also, I dont think Raikonnen really had the race won. Obviously alot happened but i always thought it was Massa's to lose...which he did.
Does anyone else not find it weird taht the Mclarens can use the bridgestone itermediates better than ferarri, considering ferarri helped them develop it over the last few years?
Fernando Alonso is a prick.
What makes you think like that?
Bammers05
04-08-2007, 14:31
Fernando Alonso is a prick.
Agreed
What makes you think like that?
He deliberately stopped Hamilton from pitting straight after his own stop, which as a result prevented Hamilton from being able to do his final flying lap. Alonso got pole, and Hamilton couldn't respond.
Ron Dennis looked furious.
I don't really have a preference for either Mclaren or Lewis Hamilton but it would of been brilliant to see both drivers going for the pole straight after eachother. Hamilton showed Alonso what good sportsmanship is by posing for the pictures with him and not saying anything in front of the camera's. I didn't used to mind Alonso but this shows me what a tool he can be sometimes and obviously proves that he doesn't think he can outdrive Hamilton.
I hope that cunt Alonso gets docked points the cunt.
Also tommorows race will be shite if Raikkonnen doesn't get past Hiedfeld on the first lap.
Well Ron Dennis has a different opinion.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61368
Dennis is simply trying to stop things from boiling over in his cheating cunt of a team.
We know what you did with those documents :ninja:
The Stig
04-08-2007, 20:53
Fernando Alonso reminds me of Thierry Henry. Both great talents at there sports. But there also both arrogant twats.
ALONSO DROPPED 5 PLACES FOR BEING A CUNT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/6929333.stm
McLaren not allowed to score points this weekend.
:) :D :laugh: :w00t :happy:
GIRFUY ya cunt.
Ferrari have a hope in hell! (of scoring some constructors points this weekend)
Ferrari have a hope in hell! (of scoring some constructors points this weekend)
Raikonnen will get smashed into the first corner and Maasa will finish 8th.
Good times.
pbchillin
05-08-2007, 01:12
Excuse my blatant biasedness (if thats even a word?!), but Michael Schumacher got sent to the back at Monaco '06 for deliberately ruining someones elses qualifying...
I know I'm being biased, find a Ferrari fan that isn't...but surely it's the same thing?
Excuse my blatant biasedness (if thats even a word?!), but Michael Schumacher got sent to the back at Monaco '06 for deliberately ruining someones elses qualifying...
I know I'm being biased, find a Ferrari fan that isn't...but surely it's the same thing?
Schumacher was in a different league to everyone else so they had to give him a tough punishment in order to give others (Alonso) a chance. Alonso isn't in a different league so they don't need to do much to him in order to level the playing field.
Good point though and one that hadn't occurred to me.
ALONSO DROPPED 5 PLACES FOR BEING A CUNT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/6929333.stm
McLaren not allowed to score points this weekend.
:) :D :laugh: :w00t :happy:
GIRFUY ya cunt.
Should have been 10 places ffs. Hamilton is going to cruise to another victory.
This is turning out to be a very entertaining season.
I don't see the point in having a race where you can't overtake. It basically just means whatever you do in qualifying and on the first lap determines your position for the rest of the race.
I like Monaco as a venue but it too has a similar problem.
Oh well, at least the cunt didn't get on the podium.
PESFan92
05-08-2007, 15:33
The Race was not a good one in my opinion because it was just a cat and mouse fight between Hamilton & Riakkonen, Heidfeld was completely of the front 2's pace. Alonso should have passed R.Schumacher with or without a heavy car, that is what ruined Alonso's hopes of a podium being stuck up behind the Toyota for most of the race. He had a chance to move up before the first corner but Rosberg blocked him off, Honda where completely slow, Massa should have moved up to at least 8th or 6th but at one point he couldn't even get past Sato who was about 3 seconds of the pace of the front 2. Hamilton my driver of the day, he had so much pressure on his shoulders, Riakkonen is too far behind in the Championship. Bit harsh on McLaren not being able to score constructures points because it was only Alonso not anyone else and they could have atleast said "Alonso can't score any championship points instead of the team not being able to score.
-The Trooper-
06-08-2007, 08:26
Mulit quote time!
Raikkonen is boring and a cunt. Alonso is also a cunt, and Massa a sore loser. Thank you.
Spyker for the champs!
Go Sutil!
Dennis is simply trying to stop things from boiling over in his cheating cunt of a team.
We know what you did with those documents :ninja:
:rolleyes: You and your Scuderia tinted glasses. ;)
I don't see the point in having a race where you can't overtake. It basically just means whatever you do in qualifying and on the first lap determines your position for the rest of the race.
I like Monaco as a venue but it too has a similar problem.
Oh well, at least the cunt didn't get on the podium.
You can over-take anywhere if you have the balls to do so.
Michael Schumacher at Monaco last season, from the back of the grid to 5th at the flag - If a driver has the ability and the will do over-take on track then they will.
Like Ron Dennis said : Half of this years field are useless.
The Race was not a good one in my opinion because it was just a cat and mouse fight between Hamilton & Riakkonen, Heidfeld was completely of the front 2's pace. Alonso should have passed R.Schumacher with or without a heavy car, that is what ruined Alonso's hopes of a podium being stuck up behind the Toyota for most of the race. He had a chance to move up before the first corner but Rosberg blocked him off, Honda where completely slow, Massa should have moved up to at least 8th or 6th but at one point he couldn't even get past Sato who was about 3 seconds of the pace of the front 2. Hamilton my driver of the day, he had so much pressure on his shoulders, Riakkonen is too far behind in the Championship. Bit harsh on McLaren not being able to score constructures points because it was only Alonso not anyone else and they could have atleast said "Alonso can't score any championship points instead of the team not being able to score.
That was something of an anti-statement. At least make it worth my while by putting in "X Driver is a cunt" at the end.
Fucking great season so far. Can't see Alonso at McLaren next year - Back to Renault with Kovalainen?
The latest in the spying row:
Ferrari are adamant "the truth will out" as the paddock at Monza was dominated by rumour and allegation.
In many respects, it was just another day in the world of Formula One this year, but in light of new evidence emerging in the 'spy' scandal, such gossip today gathered increasing impetus.
The World Motor Sport Council are to reconvene in Paris next week, putting McLaren firmly back in the dock and the world title hopes of Lewis Hamilton on the line.
Last Friday, world governing body the FIA issued a letter to all the Formula One teams - and to three unnamed drivers - urging them to divulge any information on the matter.
It is understood one of the responses has led to the FIA deciding to again haul McLaren in front of the WMSC.
The team's drivers Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso were shielded from answering any questions relating to the controversy by the team.
The Woking-based marque also refused to comment for legal reasons, maintaining their stance of wishing to co-operate fully with the FIA.
Needless to say, the furore has played into Ferrari's hands ahead of their home grand prix at Monza this weekend.
Another positive result in front of their adoring tifosi, and a sanction against McLaren next Thursday could turn the title fight their way.
They are certainly eager to see justice is served, and unlike the last time the WMSC met on July 26, they hope to see a penalty imposed.
A team statement read: "Ferrari note the FIA's decision to call an extraordinary meeting of the World Motor Sport Council to examine new evidence that has emerged with regards to the accusation that Vodafone McLaren Mercedes have violated article 151c of the International Sporting Code.
Also, regarding Nigel Stepney:
MILAN (Reuters) - Former Ferrari engineer Nigel Stepney is linked to the attempted sabotage of cars before May's Monaco Grand Prix, an Italian prosecutor has said.
Ferrari have taken Stepney to court in their home town of Modena after a mysterious powder was allegedly found around the petrol caps of their cars days before the race.
Powder also turned up in Stepney's pocket but the Briton has said he was set up.
Modena prosecutor Giuseppe Tibis has completed his file on the case and believes there is evidence against Stepney.
"Certainly from sworn testimony the suspicion exists that it was Stepney who handled the powder that has polluted the petrol," he was quoted as saying in Italian media on Wednesday.
McLaren have been stripped of all of their points in this year's Constructors' Championship, fined £49.2m and must prove that their 2008 car does not include any Ferrari 'intellectual property' before they are allowed to use it for racing. No sanctions have been made against the points earned in the Drivers' Championship.
The fucking cheating cunts.
£49.2m :shocking:
Alonso is a snitch. :laugh:
What's the point of only stripping their constructors points and not the drivers championship points?
Mclaren are fucked in 2008.
£49.2m :shocking:
Alonso is a snitch. :laugh:
What's the point of only stripping their constructors points and not the drivers championship points? Mclaren are fucked in 2008.
Exactly.
They still benefit from winning the Drivers' Championship. This also proves that they blatantly lied the first time around, claiming that nobody else saw the information. Like we didn't know they'd lied anyway :rolleyes:
Hamilton should've shut his mouth last week but he didn't and as a result I now want Alonso to beat him to the Drivers' Championship - and I fucking hate Fernando. Whether I'm right to or not, I also see Lewis' attendance today as arse-licking. For those who don't know, I have held a great hatred for Ron Dennis since I started watching Formula One back in the early 90s.
I'm surprised they didn't give Alonso and Hamilton 20 point deductions just so they would make the thing more interesting, sounds like something the FIA would do. :rolleyes:
-The Trooper-
13-09-2007, 22:22
Someone should tell the F.I.A that the 'F' doesn't stand for Ferarri.
They have been up Ferarri's arse for years. If McLaren had pulled a stunt like in Austria with Reubens and Michael then they would have been instantly exculded. Not just a 'slap on the wrist'.
Complete bollocks.
mufcsean
13-09-2007, 22:49
that's one hell of a fine
Someone should tell the F.I.A that the 'F' doesn't stand for Ferarri.
They have been up Ferarri's arse for years. If McLaren had pulled a stunt like in Austria with Reubens and Michael then they would have been instantly exculded. Not just a 'slap on the wrist'.
Complete bollocks.
Get. Over. It.
Cheating fuckers.
If the FIA were so far up Ferrari's arse, McLaren wouldn't have gotten away with their lying the frist time. Ron Dennis is an absolute cunt and deserves far more than this.
AgentZero
13-09-2007, 23:26
still not worth the 49M if only the spanish FA were as strict.
-The Trooper-
14-09-2007, 10:48
Get. Over. It.
Cheating fuckers.
If the FIA were so far up Ferrari's arse, McLaren wouldn't have gotten away with their lying the frist time. Ron Dennis is an absolute cunt and deserves far more than this.
The point is, McLaren were found guilty the first time but as Ferarri didn't get their own way they complained to 'Mad' Max Mosley who bent himself over to appease them.
I think it was Jackie Stewart who said "Ferarri think they are 50% of Formula 1".
It's obvious to all that they get preferential treatment. Qualifying at Monza last year for example.
McLaren being punished for one rouge employees actions (Stepney and Coughlan were possibly moving to Toyota and Honda) is ridiculous.
It would be interesting to know if any of the McLaren drivers who saw the Ferarri technical information actually knew it was Ferarri data...
McLaren said nobody saw the data. They lied.
I bet you're one of the ones who thinks Ferrari are to blame for the dominance they enjoyed rather than all the other teams who couldn't get their shit together.
-The Trooper-
14-09-2007, 11:03
McLaren said nobody saw the data. They lied.
I bet you're one of the ones who thinks Ferrari are to blame for the dominance they enjoyed rather than all the other teams who couldn't get their shit together.
Hardly. Although 5 years of Ferarri dominance was very enjoyable (sarcasm) I almost got bored of Formula 1.
The Ferarri team from 2000 to 2005 was possibly one the best teams ever. They worked hard for their success and deserved it. Despite all the controversy and team tactics.
McLaren being punished for one rouge employees actions (Stepney and Coughlan were possibly moving to Toyota and Honda) is ridiculous.
It would be interesting to know if any of the McLaren drivers who saw the Ferarri technical information actually knew it was Ferarri data...
Rather obviously, the drivers did know and this has now been confirmed. That Coughlan might have been moving had already been dismissed by McLaren themselves as being nothing pertaining to the case or his actions - you know, back when they made their first blatant lie about nobody else having seen the data?
Can we now put an end to your anti-Ferrari bias or are you never going to accept the facts?
As for Jackie Stewart, he's just playing off his name and history thinking he's a central part of the sport when he isn't. Eddie Jordan, however, is even more laughable.
McLaren have gotten off far too lightly. They deserve to be thrown out of the Drivers' Championship for this season at least.
Read here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/6995240.stm
-The Trooper-
14-09-2007, 19:18
Rather obviously, the drivers did know and this has now been confirmed. That Coughlan might have been moving had already been dismissed by McLaren themselves as being nothing pertaining to the case or his actions - you know, back when they made their first blatant lie about nobody else having seen the data?
Can we now put an end to your anti-Ferrari bias or are you never going to accept the facts?
As for Jackie Stewart, he's just playing off his name and history thinking he's a central part of the sport when he isn't. Eddie Jordan, however, is even more laughable.
McLaren have gotten off far too lightly. They deserve to be thrown out of the Drivers' Championship for this season at least.
Read here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/6995240.stm
The fact that Ferarri have been 'cheating' in Formula 1 for many years without punishment?
Jean Todt and Luca di Montezemolo will be laughing all the way to the bank. (When they cash their $100 mill cheque which will, undoubtedly, find it's way into their hands)
You are correct, it has been revealed that McLarens drivers (Alonso and de la Rosa - no word on Hamilton) knew that the data was from Ferarri.
McLaren boss Ron Dennis has revealed that he was the source of the new evidence that prompted the FIA to revisit the spying case.
The governing body reconvened the World Motor Sport Council after additional evidence came to light, the core of which was an exchange of emails between McLaren test driver Pedro de la Rosa and world champion Fernando Alonso.
As a result, McLaren was thrown out of the 2007 constructors' championship and hit with a record fine.
Dennis said at Spa on Friday that he approached the FIA as soon as he became aware of the existence of the emails.
“Once I became aware that new evidence might exist which I did on the morning of the Hungarian GP (5 August), I immediately phoned the FIA to keep them informed,” he said.
Dennis added that McLaren is still considering whether to appeal Thursday's WMSC verdict.
“We now have seven days to appeal and are carefully considering the company’s position once we have a full understanding of the FIA’s findings,” he said
Ah it all makes sense now. This was the right move in my opinion.
The fact that Ferarri have been 'cheating' in Formula 1 for many years without punishment?
You do get boring after a while you know.
Jean Todt and Luca di Montezemolo will be laughing all the way to the bank. (When they cash their $100 mill cheque which will, undoubtedly, find it's way into their hands)
So it damn well should, it is their research.
AgentZero
15-09-2007, 09:17
pffft who cares bunch of playboys whinging about one another. Mclaren cheated and ferrari are usually c*nts the world still revolves.
Dennis has now confirmed that once he learned of the emails, from Alonso on the morning of the Hungarian GP, he himself told Mosley about them, because he did not want it to come from anyone else.
But what was Alonso trying to achieve by confronting Ron with the emails on that Sunday morning?
Apparently Dennis explained to the WMSC that Alonso had some demands, which are not hard to imagine, but Dennis refused to satisfy them. When this all comes out next week, it will probably look quite bad for Alonso.
http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?Type=James_Allen&PO_ID=40674
Not only is he a wanker but he is a black mailing bastard.
But who is the bigger cunt, Dennis or Alonso? Dennis didn't say anything of this a week ago when he could have done so. The moment he'd gone to Mosley he was free to talk to the media. He also said McLaren were considering appealing based on what the FIA said because McLaren weren't sure that the FIA had satisfied the notion that they knowing used Ferrari data - but Dennis had already seen the emails so he's contradicted himself.
I agree with you about Dennis but Alonso without doubt is the bigger cunt. People say Michael was dirty, well Alonso must be on par with Michael or worse. As much as I hate Dennis, black mailing him because Hamilton has owned him and wasn't getting his way is below the belt.
In short:
McLaren can concentrate on designing their own car instead of stealing Ferrari's ideas, the fuckers.
Still, nice informative post Trooper.
CaptainCabinet
20-09-2007, 15:23
In short:
McLaren can concentrate on designing their own car instead of stealing Ferrari's ideas, the fuckers.
Still, nice informative post Trooper.
Isn't that always the case? :tongue:
Isn't that always the case? :tongue:
:ninja:
The Messiah
30-09-2007, 04:44
Come on the Hamilton!
What are the things on the front wheels of the Ferrari?
Great win for Hamilton. I think it's safe to say he will be the new champion.
AgentZero
30-09-2007, 11:49
fuckin vettel....denied webber some serious points
TBH, visibility was shit.
AgentZero
30-09-2007, 12:40
TBH vettel is shit.
Vettel will be better then Webber ever was.
What a race. :shocking:
Massa/Kubica battle on the last lap was one of the best things I've ever seen in the sport.
Badgerman
30-09-2007, 13:52
That was reet greet.
Echoes of Arnoux-Villeneuve at the end there, don't know what in the flying poop the Japanese tv people were thinking when they cut away from it.
Epic race, loved it.
edit: oh, and Vettel wil be good.
And ohohoho at Webber in the interview, not sure if it was cut out on the replay but live he said something like "Kids, kids with no experience and they fuck things up."
What a grand birthday weekend.
PESFan92
03-10-2007, 16:51
Hmmm...i think i shall be watching F1 Sunday, and hope Alonso..crashes, and Hamilton finish 1st.I would be very happy to see Alonso "THE SHITHEAD" lose the title
The Messiah
04-10-2007, 23:52
I don't really follow F1 that much any more. I just recognise Alonso as a cunt & chose to support Hamilton.
The Messiah
05-10-2007, 00:03
Thats fair enough. Now send me some porn.
Only if you tell me what the cover things are on the wheels of the Ferrari.
Lets see if the FIA show they've got some bollocks today. Their biggest test - do you punish a British driver?
Three drivers have credibly complained and then there's Alonso who we can discount this time.
Take all his points off him and give them to Kimi :w00t
Take back points may be possible.
But give it to Kimi, 0.99% possible.
Lets see if the FIA show they've got some bollocks today. Their biggest test - do you punish a British driver?
And the answer is...no.
The FIA announces that they will not take any actions on hamilton.
damn.
Badgerman
05-10-2007, 19:19
My love for Hamilton knows no bounds simply because of the amount of bullshit everywhere by everyone else.
Alonso's Spanish fans all seem to be the most racist, ignorant cave-men that have taken to the internet to type broken english abuse at Hamilton.
He's the only level headed guy about and it's great to see a genuine cunt like Alonso being beat on the track.
I liked Hamilton until he started spouting absolute bollocks, beginning with his arse-licking of Ron Dennis, his second father. Don't get me wrong, I fucking hate Alonso but I actually want Alonso to win the title more than Hamilton now. Hamilton has changed completely. I know he's had a chaotic first season in which he's done very well but his attitude is a disgrace as far as I'm concerned.
Those guys are missing Brawn and Schumacher.
They are missing Brawn not Michael. As good as Michael is, he wouldn't be able to stop the Mclarens, especially since they cheated ;)
Badgerman
05-10-2007, 19:48
I liked Hamilton until he started spouting absolute bollocks, beginning with his arse-licking of Ron Dennis, his second father. Don't get me wrong, I fucking hate Alonso but I actually want Alonso to win the title more than Hamilton now. Hamilton has changed completely. I know he's had a chaotic first season in which he's done very well but his attitude is a disgrace as far as I'm concerned.
See this is what I'm on about.
People not liking him for no reason. Saying you don't like his attitude with no evidence when a casual glance at Alonso will reveal some really shitty shit
How anyone can like Alonso is beyond me. He was willing to blackmail his own team for starters
It was similar last year when people wanted schumi to win but in that case Schumacher was chasing brilliantly whilst Alonso was still a cunt.
See this is what I'm on about.
People not liking him for no reason. Saying you don't like his attitude with no evidence
No evidence?? I've already stated his comments are why I don't like him so go and read those comments. I even specified one related to severe arse-licking of Ron Dennis. It isn't up to me to copy and paste statements everyone can easily find. If you don't want to bother looking for them, that isn't grounds for stating I've got no evidence of his shitty attitude. He's like a fucking kid with no idea what he's talking about and most recently threw his toys out of his Ron Dennis loving pram.
Alonso is a cunt. No post is complete without that statement.
Badgerman
05-10-2007, 21:40
No evidence?? I've already stated his comments are why I don't like him so go and read those comments. I even specified one related to severe arse-licking of Ron Dennis. It isn't up to me to copy and paste statements everyone can easily find. If you don't want to bother looking for them, that isn't grounds for stating I've got no evidence of his shitty attitude. He's like a fucking kid with no idea what he's talking about and most recently threw his toys out of his Ron Dennis loving pram.
This isn't specifying
I liked Hamilton until he started spouting absolute bollocks, beginning with his arse-licking of Ron Dennis, his second father.
This is just a statement that a) I have no idea what you're referring to and b) have no chance of finding out.
Much like this
He's like a fucking kid with no idea what he's talking about and most recently threw his toys out of his Ron Dennis loving pram.
You're just saying stuff, not making points.
Edit: I think he's come into the sport as humble as anyone in his position could be.
He obviously wasn't born with a spoon in his gob and has got where he has based on his talent. Some of his GP2 races last year were incredible.
If he was half as bad as Alonso then I would have feared having a twunt forced on us for years to come. As it is, the guy has come across as normal, something that seems to be foreign to F1 this year
My point is that you need to go and read what he's said in the last two months or can't comment against what I'm talking about because you don't know.
I can't simplify it any further: read his comments.
Badgerman
05-10-2007, 23:12
I like to think I've got my finger on the pulse and he hasn't said anything out of line.
He hasn't made any F1 faux pas in the way of comparing himself to Senna and co.
He's had to contend with the worst team-mate imaginable whom thinks that he should be the number 1 driver to the point where I think he'd take Hamilton off the road, err, or take him out if it would benefit him.
He's relationship with Ron is different to any other driver-manager relationship around, of course he's not going to threaten to blackmail Ron and the like.
I'm rambling, basically he hasn't said a single thing that hasn't been justified.
It's been a wappy season I guess.
AgentZero
05-10-2007, 23:24
Lets see if the FIA show they've got some bollocks today. Their biggest test - do you punish a British driver?
Three drivers have credibly complained and then there's Alonso who we can discount this time.
ha ha ha ha, na na na na na na
eat them sour grapes!
kidding
I like to think I've got my finger on the pulse and he hasn't said anything out of line.
He hasn't made any F1 faux pas in the way of comparing himself to Senna and co.
He's had to contend with the worst team-mate imaginable whom thinks that he should be the number 1 driver to the point where I think he'd take Hamilton off the road, err, or take him out if it would benefit him.
He's relationship with Ron is different to any other driver-manager relationship around, of course he's not going to threaten to blackmail Ron and the like.
I'm rambling, basically he hasn't said a single thing that hasn't been justified.
It's been a wappy season I guess.
I know he's had a lot to put up with - anyone given Alonso as a team-mate gets my sympathy - but the fact he's so close to Dennis has clearly started to alter his behaviour as I maintain that, at the start of this season, he was a very decent bloke. He didn't have to change the way he has (read his comments) despite how difficult the season has been.
This has been a ridiculous season with everything that has gone on. You almost expect a final twist, but for me Hamilton will win the Drivers Championship.
Anyone but Alonso to win, I can't stand seeing his face on tele all the time.
Anyone but Alonso to win, I can't stand seeing his EYEBROW on tele all the time.
:wave:
Great finale expected. Let's hope for another wet race as that's where all the drama this year has come from.
Lewis Hamilton could face punishment after using two sets of wet-weather tyres during Friday's free practice for the Brazilian Grand Prix in Sao Paolo.
Drivers are only allowed to use one set of tyres during a session and McLaren have admitted to making the mistake.
The stewards are to discuss the situation after the second practice session finishes at 1830BST.
The FIA have no set punishment for the offence, so it remains to be seen what decision will be taken.
Honda's Jenson Button and Super Aguri's Takuma Sato also face a penalty for the same infringement.
Hamilton leads his team-mate and double world champion Fernando Alonso by four points with Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen a further three behind.
Nothing will happen of course.
The big weekend is upon us :w00t
No punishment for Hamilton, just a 15,000 Euro fine for McLaren.
Can't wait for this race, would be brilliant if Massa was involved so it could be a 4-way between all the Ferrari's and McLaren's but a 3-way will do after the recent years.
Hamilton has the edge going into the race then being in second with Raikkonen and Alonso following him in 3rd and 4th. It looks like Massa still might have a part to play but after looking at the cars today he could easily pull away from Hamilton leaving the other 3 to battle it out.
Raikkonen needs to jump Hamilton on the start otherwise I feel any chance he has will be gone.
Badgerman
20-10-2007, 18:28
I'm pretty sure Hamilton getting into 2nd has left Raikonnen up a brown creek.
yay lewis (L)
Raikkonen needs to jump Hamilton on the start otherwise I feel any chance he has will be gone.
Massa needs to take Hamilton out in classic Robotic Michael Schumacher style.
Get him Felipe! :realmad:
Badgerman
20-10-2007, 18:47
It might be a cunning plan on Ferrari's part.
By the looks of things Massa's fueled for roughly half a lap so he'll scoot off, spin round and drive backwards into Hamilton and Alonso, with Raikonnen spending the rest of the race avoiding obstacles placed onto the track by Hamilton.
The race to end all races.
I've also just remembered that Massa gets on well with Alonso. Do it Felipe....that's why you got the contract to 2010. Do it do it do it!
manutdfan1999
21-10-2007, 00:54
All the hopes are on Hamilton now as the enlish lost the final!who believes he will win it? i'm hoping he doesn't COME ON KIMI!
I've also just remembered that Massa gets on well with Alonso. Do it Felipe....that's why you got the contract to 2010. Do it do it do it!
Massa gets on well with Hamilton too. ;)
Alonso is in perfect position to take out Hamilton at turn 1.
Stella Artois
21-10-2007, 15:15
I hope both McClarens combust on the final corner and Kimi overtakes them for the win.
:cool:
I hope both McClarens combust on the final corner and Kimi overtakes them for the win.
:cool:
I'm with you there.
You know we're building up the first corner as Massa or Alonso taking out Hamilton but imagine if Alonso and Kimi tried squeezing Hamilton, fucked it up and took one another off. I'm extremely nervous.
Stella Artois
21-10-2007, 15:59
I think Massa should just ensure that he has the best start anyone has ever had in F1 history, then spin round and attack Alonso and Hamilton as they come towards him.
No one gave a fuck about F1 12 months ago and suddenly we're all meant to care. Jumping on the bandwagon at its best.
I cared about it ;). Don't watch it quite as much as I did during its "boring phase" which I very much enjoyed due to Ferrari dominance.
Anyone but Alonso to win.
Stella Artois
21-10-2007, 17:11
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Nevermind, always next year.
Cannon ball
21-10-2007, 17:20
Its been a good week for English sport.
Yes. If you're a spastic living in a parallel universe.
The way things stand he can easily still do it. He's 11th and at the moment he needs to finish 7th.
Stella Artois
21-10-2007, 17:27
5th you mean.
Raikkonen will win the race, no doubt about it.
What was Nakajima doing? :laugh: Best pitstop ever.
Badgerman
21-10-2007, 18:02
The Japanese drivers seem to be on Kamikazi missions right now.
Where does Hamiliton need to finish to win?
Can't say I like F1 but I'm just interested to see wether he will do it or not
Stella Artois
21-10-2007, 18:21
5th.
Kimi World Champion. Well deserved :D
Badgerman
21-10-2007, 18:34
So the McLaren's get numbers 22 and 23 next season.
Awesome.
FutebolArte
21-10-2007, 18:36
two english chokes in one day.... how do you feel about that?
Badgerman
21-10-2007, 18:37
Two?
Sunderland are hardly representative of England
Looking at his celebrations you wouldn't think Kimi just won the title. :laugh:
Who needs Michael when you have Kimi. :smug:
Who needs McLaren when we have Ferrari. :smug:
Fucking yes!
I honestly thought Hamilton would get back to fifth and when they were discussing Alonso dropping out to aid him if it got to that situation, for some reason I could see Alonso doing it. Amazing season, serves McLaren right for being a bunch of fucking cheaters who would've been thrown out of both championships had a British driver not been fighting for the title and congratulations to Raikkonen.
:happy:
FutebolArte
21-10-2007, 18:53
Two?
Sunderland are hardly representative of England
don't forget the rugby
CaptainCabinet
21-10-2007, 19:06
don't forget the rugby
There was no rugby today?
Fucking yes!
:w00t
I was just waiting for Massa or Kimi to have a suspension/gearbox/whatnot failure in the last few laps, promoting Alonso to the title. Everytime the cameraman zoomed in on them my heart was in my mouth thinking they had a problem.
Commiserations to Lewis, but Kimi's finally got one in the bag. :smug:
:w00t
I was just waiting for Massa or Kimi to have a suspension/gearbox/whatnot failure in the last few laps, promoting Alonso to the title. Everytime the cameraman zoomed in on them to them my heart was in my mouth thinking they had a problem.
Exactly the same for me! Especially with the dodgy director going to a shot of a slow-moving Ferrari, cutting away and then cutting back for a proper look.
Scarface
21-10-2007, 19:29
Well choreographed start by Ferrari; once Alonso had overtaken Hamilton and he slipped off the track, I had a feeling he wouldn't even finish the race, and things then just went from bad to worse for him.
I don't particularly like Hamilton anyway, so i'm glad Kimi won it rather than Alonso.
two english chokes in one day.... how do you feel about that?
Not good, but more satisfied than the Brazilians with their efforts in the Rugby and F1 World Championship I would imagine.
FutebolArte
21-10-2007, 19:56
I only think football matters... as far as everything else, I just got used to rubbing it in cuz I had an english flatmate here...
AgentZero
21-10-2007, 20:09
why did they keep him(Hamilton) out in china?
Stella Artois
21-10-2007, 20:13
They were enjoying some special fried rice in the pit lane and needed one more lap so they could finish.
Or so I've heard.
AgentZero
21-10-2007, 20:20
no one can eat special fried rice in 3 minutes without heartburn.
BMW being investigated for "fuel irregularities". Hopefully they won't be found guilty thus taking their points and positions away giving Hamilton the title. Providing Hamilton gets promoted up the order.
:no:
EDIT: Kimi Raikkonen's world title has been thrown into doubt following an inquiry into the cars of BMW Sauber and Williams at the Brazilian Grand Prix.
Race stewards are investigating alleged irregularites with the cars' fuel.
Williams's Nico Rosberg was fourth in the race, followed by BMW Sauber's Robert Kubica and Nick Heidfeld.
If they were disqualified, McLaren driver Lewis Hamilton would be promoted to fourth, giving him enough points to displace Raikkonen as world champion.
They were enjoying some special fried rice in the pit lane and needed one more lap so they could finish.
Or so I've heard.
:laugh:
BMW being investigated for "fuel irregularities". Hopefully they won't be found guilty thus taking their points and positions away giving Hamilton the title. Providing Hamilton gets promoted up the order.
:no:
Typical of the season.
Stella Artois
21-10-2007, 22:43
Yeah right, the FIA are a bunch of morons. Expect it to be a punishment for next season or some conductors points.
zeemeister
21-10-2007, 22:47
I was shocked by what saw on sky, it's going to put a serious stain on Formula 1 if BMW and Sauber are penalised and Hamilton wins the championship in this manner.
Really, how could feul temperature be a factor, it's fucking nuts.
It isn't the FIA in this case though, the stewards can make their own decision which can then be appealed against in 'court' with or without the help of the FIA depending on their stance. In this case, the FIA will side with McLaren due to a British driver being able to win the championship.
I think Hamilton would be embarrassed to win the title this way. I think if anything the stewards will end up taking the points away from the constructors total, not from the drivers themselves.
Badgerman
21-10-2007, 22:54
Come on the FIA.
You can still win it for Hamilton.
Ban everyone else plz.
zeemeister
21-10-2007, 23:06
Apparently if this doesn't workout for Hamilton they are going to dock points from Raikonnen because Ferrari allowed their documents to get stolen.
Apparently if this doesn't workout for Hamilton they are going to dock points from Raikonnen because Ferrari allowed their documents to get stolen.
:laugh:
Kimi Raikkonen's world championship title for Ferrari has been confirmed as there will be no penalty for BMW Sauber and Williams for fuel irregularities.
:D
The outcome of the 2007 drivers’ world championship has been plunged into renewed doubt after McLaren declared its intention to appeal the decision of the Interlagos stewards not to penalise Williams and BMW Sauber for alleged fuel irregularities.
:realmad:
AgentZero
22-10-2007, 07:16
its liek the Irvine and Hakkinen thing in 1999 which Mika whoel heartedly accepted the championship, i presume Lewis will too.
Apparently if this doesn't workout for Hamilton they are going to dock points from Raikonnen because Ferrari allowed their documents to get stolen.
:laugh:
Quality.
Hopefully the appeal is turned down, knowing McLaren though, they will will probably appeal for months :tongue:
Really glad Kimi won, was nervous for about the last 15 laps, I thought something was going to happen to one of the Ferrari's lol.
Kevthedrummer
22-10-2007, 12:56
F1 has never been so exciting.
zeemeister
22-10-2007, 15:04
and so dramatic. It's a bastard child short of a soap opera....oh wait, Alonso is in it too.
The Stig
23-10-2007, 10:40
I wanna see that mechanic fall over again but I can't find it on youtube. :laugh: It was well funny.
Formula One superstar Lewis Hamilton is to move to Switzerland to escape the excessive public and media attention he has had in Britain over the last year.
The McLaren driver, who came second in the drivers' championship in his debut F1 season, will join Fernando Alonso and Kimi Raikkonen in Switzerland.
"Over there people don't come up to you, they leave you alone and give you space," the 22-year-old told BBC Sport.
"I'm going to a country that I don't know but it's very exciting."
Ironically, the news comes the day after his home town of Stevenage announced that it was naming a street after the McLaren driver.
Switzerland is a popular choice for F1 drivers looking to relocate, with Alonso and Raikkonen - his rivals in this season's thrilling title chase - already living there, along with seven-time world champion Michael Schumacher.
Financial issues may also have played a part in Hamilton's thinking, with wealthy Switzerland residents paying significantly less tax than in the UK.
Hamilton said he had taken the decision with some reluctance.
"It was a tough decision. My dream for years was to move to London - I stayed at a friend's house this weekend in London and I woke up in the morning and just knew it was where I wanted to be," he added.
"But I'll meet new people, new faces and I do have a few friends there and my family and friends from home will be able to come and visit me."
Hamilton said he had found it impossible to live a normal life since soaring to fame in an astonishing rookie season in the sport.
"When I was coming up I knew there were sacrifices you have to make," he said.
"You lose your ability to go places - you don't understand what that means until you get there and you really struggle to lead a normal life.
"I haven't been able to spend much time with my friends or my family - it's not like a normal job, you're travelling all the time, you live out of your suitcase and it's tough to manage that and still live a normal life.
"When you come home and everybody knows you, it makes it so much harder to do normal things.
"I can't go to the cinema. I go to the bathroom in a petrol station and people come in there for autographs."
Hamilton insisted that his relationship with McLaren team-mate Fernando Alonso was not as strained as has been widely reported.
"Me and Fernando get on as well any other two people working together," he said.
"We're not best friends and he doesn't call me up to come to my house but we say 'hi' - sometimes we play Playstation, sometimes we have dinner together.
"At the end of the year we had a big hug and we said what a phenomenal year it had been and I said it had been a pleasure working with him.
"I don't know whose going to be my team-mate next year, I'm not particularly bothered. If it's going to be Fernando then great, but I'm really not fussed either way."
Good move for him, the press are nothing but a distraction.
Plenty more years for Hamilton to win the title and it was one of the best F1 seasons for a long long time.
Bammers05
29-10-2007, 19:51
Good move for him, the press are nothing but a distraction.
Agreed
Double world champion Fernando Alonso has agreed to split with the McLaren-Mercedes team by mutual consent.
In a widely expected move, the 26-year-old Spaniard has agreed terms to terminate his agreement with the Woking squad after just one season of his three-year contract.
Alonso made no secret of the fact at the start of the season that McLaren was the team he had always wanted to race for – but after a turbulent year admits things didn't pan out as he had hoped.
Renault is the most likely destination for Alonso, as he doesn't have many options available to him.
I would love to see Nico Rosberg take his place. He has been immense and deserves a drive at Mclaren, he would definitely give Hamilton a run for his money. Button also deserves a drive at a big team.
Red Bull are favourites apparently :huh:
A Hamilton/Piquet Jr. team would be great, but I'd consider sticking Piquet in such a high status team a risk, despite what Hamilton has done in his rookie year. I say Rosberg or Kovaleinen will go to McLaren. Kubica also a possibility but it seems the BMW is tuned up nicely and perhaps will improve further, so has no real reason to leave the team.
A Hamilton/Piquet Jr. team would be great, but I'd consider sticking Piquet in such a high status team a risk, despite what Hamilton has done in his rookie year. I say Rosberg or Kovaleinen will go to McLaren. Kubica also a possibility but it seems the BMW is tuned up nicely and perhaps will improve further, so has no real reason to leave the team.
I read somewhere that McLaren wanted Button. The biggest British team with two young British drivers would be nice to see.
Stella Artois
02-11-2007, 23:20
It'd be interesting to see how he does. He's always been in relatively poor cars, but he'd no longer have any excuses.
I expect Rosberg to get the spot, he is still young and I think he could possibly challenge with that car.
I can't really see Alonso winning the Championship next year, if he goes to Renault then he will find it hard to be competing for race wins unless they really do improve the car.
I read somewhere that McLaren wanted Button. The biggest British team with two young British drivers would be nice to see.
It'd go wrong. Both would have the ambition of wanting to be the first British champion for however many years it is now and the press would have a field day if one were favoured over the other. I actually like Button - whereas we all know what I think of Hamilton.
AgentZero
14-11-2007, 21:17
Ross Brawn has become Honda's team principal
Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen has confirmed as Formula One world champion after a court rejected a McLaren appeal that could have handed Lewis Hamilton the title instead
The governing International Automobile Federation's independent court of appeal, whose four judges met in London for the hearing on Thursday, said McLaren's protest had been rejected.
"Having heard the explanations of both parties and having examined the various documents and other evidence, the court decided that the appeal lodged by Vodafone McLaren Mercedes is inadmissible," it said.
McLaren had appealed against the decision of stewards at last month's season-ending Brazilian Grand Prix not to penalise BMW Sauber and Williams drivers after an enquiry into temperature irregularities.
Although McLaren said they simply wanted to clarify the rules, any disqualification of the three drivers who finished ahead of Hamilton and subsequent reallocation of points would have changed the outcome of the championship.
Finland's Raikkonen, who won at Interlagos on October 21, beat 22-year-old Hamilton by a single point.
Hamilton, who would have been the youngest champion as well as the first rookie to take the title, had been favourite for the crown before his lead evaporated in the last two races in China and Brazil.
The Briton finished seventh in the final race, behind BMW Sauber's Nick Heidfeld and Robert Kubica and Williams' Nico Rosberg.
Ferrari's lawyer Nigel Tozzi told the hearing on Thursday it would be a "serious injustice" for Raikkonen to be stripped of his title.
"It would be highly damaging for the sport if the title were to be won this way with the fans probably feeling it was more about grubby manoeuvring by the lawyers than by skill behind the wheel," he said.
"As McLaren have always said, the championship should be decided on the racetrack and not in the courtroom"
Best news i've heard all day.
Up yours Mclaren :)
Badgerman
17-11-2007, 01:09
Heikki to McLaren
Alonso to partner Piquet jr at Renault.
I'd guess.
Has anyone noticed Kubica this season?
Imo he's the best rookie in F1, now don't get me wrong I love Hamilton and what he's done for British racing, but look at the car he has, and look at Kubica's, and Kubica was still qualifying in the top 10, and finishing in the top 10.
Plus, he's only 19.
Yeah he's good.
He also managed to overcome Villeneuve (sp?) (which is the reason Villeneuve (sp?) retire from the race)
Has anyone noticed Kubica this season?
Imo he's the best rookie in F1, now don't get me wrong I love Hamilton and what he's done for British racing, but look at the car he has, and look at Kubica's, and Kubica was still qualifying in the top 10, and finishing in the top 10.
Plus, he's only 19.
Kubica's 22. Vettel's the 19 year old.
Double Formula One world champion Fernando Alonso will return to the Renault team next season.
Renault say the 26-year-old Spaniard, who left McLaren last month after a tempestuous season, has signed a two-year deal.
Renault's former test driver, Brazilian Nelson Piquet Jr, has been promoted to the race team as Alonso's team-mate.
Renault would not confirm the value of the contract, although there are reports Alonso will earn £25.2m.
Alonso is believed to have negotiated number one status with Renault.
Finn Heikki Kovalainen, who had an impressive rookie season with Renault in 2007, is expected to move to either McLaren, where he would partner Lewis Hamilton, or Toyota.
Kovalainen, who is managed by team boss Flavio Briatore, was considered by the team to be good enough to challenge Alonso, and therefore keeping him was not in the interests of a harmonious team.
Alonso said: "This is the team where I grew up as a driver in F1. Now it is time for us to begin a new chapter together.
"I am very excited about working with this great team once more, and confident that together we can move back to the front of the field.
"Renault had a difficult year in 2007, but I know that the team has real strength in depth. I am confident they can produce a fast and competitive car and be back at the top in 2008."
Alonso said he had chosen Renault over the other teams interested in him - which included Red Bull and Toyota - because "of their strong track record".
Briatore added: "We are delighted to be welcoming Fernando back home to the team where he enjoyed his greatest success.
"His abilities as a driver and a team leader are well known, and we look forward to forging another strong partnership.
"What's more, he knows the team well and how we operate; he will feel comfortable straight away in this environment."
Alonso had been linked with a return to Renault since it became clear during the summer that his position at McLaren had become untenable.
The relationship between Alonso and McLaren was strained from the start of the season, and it degenerated beyond repair during the spy scandal that rocked the team.
The two parties reached the point of no return during a row between Alonso and team boss Ron Dennis at the Hungarian Grand Prix in August.
During a disagreement about Alonso's status within the team, he threatened to reveal incriminating e-mails about McLaren's knowledge of confidential technical information belonging to Ferrari to governing body the FIA.
Although Alonso soon apologised, that was not before Dennis had phoned FIA president Max Mosley to tell him of his driver's revelation.
McLaren, who were found guilty in July of possessing the Ferrari information but not punished by the FIA , were called back before its world council and this time fined $100m (£49m) and excluded from the 2007 constructors' championship.
Without Alonso, Renault struggled in 2007 because of design flaws in their car and problems adapting to the control tyres that were introduced last season.
They are considered likely to be more competitive in 2008.
Piquet is the son of triple world champion Nelson Piquet, who won titles with Brabham in 1981 and '83 and Williams in '87.
Briatore said: "Nelsinho is one of the most promising young talents in motorsport.
"After his success in [feeder category] GP2, he has spent a year learning the ropes as our test driver and getting to know the team; he is now ready to step up to the next level."
Frenchman Romain Grosjean, the Formula Three Euroseries champion, will step into Piquet's shoes as test and reserve driver.
They will need to sort out the problems the car had if he is going to challenge for the championship again.
MADRID (Reuters) - Formula One driver Lewis Hamilton suffered racist abuse from Spanish fans during testing at the Montmelo circuit in Barcelona, Spanish media reported on Sunday.
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Reports in a number of papers said the McLaren driver was booed and insulted whenever he made his way from the team motorhome and into the pits on Saturday.
The correspondent from sports daily Marca said that shouts of "puto negro" (****ing black) and "negro de mierda" (black shit) were clearly heard and that large sections of the crowd were involved.
"It is not right the way he is being treated," McLaren test team manager Indy Lall was quoted as saying.
Marca said that the circuit director asked for fences to be put up around the McLaren paddock and ordered the removal of banners that had been put up opposite the team's base.
Daily La Vanguardia also said the circuit director had reminded fans of their obligations at the venue.
"We would like to make a plea to the fans to behave correctly, no type of offensive behaviour can be tolerated," circuit director Ramon Pradera was quoted as saying in the newspaper.
Hamilton, who finished runner-up in last year's championship, has become a hate figure in Spain because of his rivalry with former McLaren team mate Fernando Alonso who now drives for Renault.
"McLaren has raced and tested on Spanish circuits for many years and everyone connected with the team regards Spain and the Spanish people with great affection, Lewis included," said a McLaren spokeswoman.
Incidents of racism have plagued Spanish sport, in particular football, in recent years
Poor show. :no:
Can't say I'm surprised. Racism isn't as frowned upon within in the Spanish society as it is back in Britain.
We'll get there eventually.
What an ignorant bunch of cunts.
Can't say I'm surprised. Racism isn't as frowned upon within in the Spanish society as it is back in Britain.
We'll get there eventually.
Evidently. If this had happened in the UK it would've been a major incident. :no:
Stamp out racism. Be like me and just hate every fucker equally! ;)
AgentZero
03-02-2008, 23:52
whats with mclaren and finnish drivers, Hakkinen, Raikonnen and Kovalainen
The Messiah
04-02-2008, 15:43
Poor show. :no:
I bet they cheer on the likes of Eto'o & Henry too when the football is on. :doh:
FutebolArte
04-02-2008, 16:13
I bet they cheer on the likes of Eto'o & Henry too when the football is on. :doh:
dont you remmber a couple of years bac?? the banana and etoo scandal
The Messiah
04-02-2008, 16:33
dont you remmber a couple of years bac?? the banana and etoo scandal
That's what I'm getting at! One weekend they'll happily lick Eto'o arse because he scores a hat trick but the next they'll shout abuse at Lewis Hamilton because his black.
FutebolArte
04-02-2008, 16:56
yeah... it's the nature of he beast... if you don't like someone you'll do anything to piss them off... I bet if he were indian they throw curry or something... In BR racism is illegal.. I think its the only country in the world where if you say something racist, you'll flat out get arrested...
PESFan92
10-03-2008, 18:52
Well, we all know the new season starts with the Australian GP with Qualifying oin Saturday and race on Sunday.
I can't wait for the season to start because we all saw last season what happened and this season could well be even better!.
BMW in my opinion will challenge for the Constructors' Title, i don't think it'll be a dog fight between McLaren and Ferrari.
Riakkonen, who will be defending the title ofcourse, will be looking to add another World Championship to his name, however with the likes of Massa, Hamilton, Alonso eager to win it, it will be hard.
Any thoughts about this season? who will win the Championship and Drivers' Championship this season, who are you surporting through-out the season? what you think of the teams this season?
I know very little about Formula 1, though I enjoy watching it from time to time. I quite liked Hamilton last season, in particular because for me he came out of nowhere and immediately challenged for the title. Raikkonen and Alonso are both twits though.
There's already a Formula One thread somewhere.
martin_cranie
11-03-2008, 05:19
Threads merged.
Anyone heard the suggestion from the McLaren boss about reversing the grid so the fastest start at the back?
Heard it briefly on 5 Live this morning... he reckons it will re-inject some exitement into the series.
Opinions?
AgentZero
11-03-2008, 11:21
i read somewhere that FIA might not continue in melbourne...which i saddened for.
Singapore is going to be amazing this year, a nightime street race.
Valencia should be good too.
PESFan92
11-03-2008, 18:45
The idea of The "Reverse" grid will, in my opinion not work because all the cars in front will be holding the McLarens, Ferraris, BMWs up and it will be cause a massive jam of cars.
The idea of The "Reverse" grid will, in my opinion not work because all the cars in front will be holding the McLarens, Ferraris, BMWs up and it will be cause a massive jam of cars.
I think that's the idea. Forces more overtaking, rather than midless lapping.
How is it going to be done? They qualify then however it finishes they reverse it? Surely the drivers will just drive slower during qualification...
How is it going to be done? They qualify then however it finishes they reverse it? Surely the drivers will just drive slower during qualification...
My first though was the same. The only obvious way is the have the series leader at the rear of the grid and do away with qualifying.
The only other way would be to use the superpole system as in WSB.
I'm not in favour of the reverse gird idea, they already have the engine failure rule in place where a car is demoted 10 places back, so it would be rather pointless. There are more convenient ways of increasing overtaking.
I'm not in favour of the reverse gird idea, they already have the engine failure rule in place where a car is demoted 10 places back, so it would be rather pointless. There are more convenient ways of increasing overtaking.
And now the gearbox failure which results in a 5-place demotion if it doesn't last four races.
There are too many pedantic rules in F1 already, like we need more.
Maybe there is something is simplying the sport, re-inject some of the exitment from yesteryear. I'm not saying the grid reverse system is the way to go, but i've heard worse...
Any chance of getting some F1 bets up Sweey?
I've put a couple of dodgy ones up.
PESFan92
12-03-2008, 21:39
The rules that the FIA come up with are rediculous(sp) i mean if your engine fails and your gear box fails then thats a 15place deduction..In my opinion the rules are stupid, Ok, the engine failure rule was fine, but now this? :no:. Best season in F1 was either the 1997-1998 or 1999-2000 :) how i loved watch Schumacher in them days:w00t
At least they've banned traction control.
The rules that the FIA come up with are rediculous(sp) i mean if your engine fails and your gear box fails then thats a 15place deduction..In my opinion the rules are stupid, Ok, the engine failure rule was fine, but now this? :no:. Best season in F1 was either the 1997-1998 or 1999-2000 :) how i loved watch Schumacher in them days:w00t
Been on the slide since Senna passed away in truth.
At least they've banned traction control.
Yeah, but with all the other driver aids, will they miss it?
Yeah, but with all the other driver aids, will they miss it?
There are no driver aids whatsoever, no lauch control, no computer aids etc, it's all down to driver skill now, so it will be interesting to see how the drivers cope especially in rainy conditions, personally I can't wait. There will be more mistakes from the drivers that's for sure and this season will seperate the men from the boys.
There are no driver aids whatsoever, no lauch control, no computer aids etc, it's all down to driver skill now, so it will be interesting to see how the drivers cope especially in rainy conditions, personally I can't wait. There will be more mistakes from the drivers that's for sure and this season will seperate the men from the boys.
They've removed them all? Bloody hell, that'll cause some chaos!
All they need now is to revert to having a real shift lever & clutch...
AgentZero
13-03-2008, 13:59
might as well wat A1 the concept is much more competitive.
Not seen any A1, thought it was too gimicky.
PESFan92
14-03-2008, 22:28
Riakkonen faster in Practise Session with Hamilton some 0.400 slower. The thing with Hamilton is, last season no-one expected him to do what he did, and he had no pressure on winning the title because he was a Rookie.
Although he is still a Rookie, the expectation is higher this season, and the pressure could go right on his shoulders and could play a massive part in the title race. To be honest now Riakkonen has won the Title, he knows what its like and his confidence will be sky high.
If Hamilton is going to win the title, the first race is vital because if you don't get off to a good start to the Championship, you lack the confidence to go to the next race.
Riakkonen for me will pip Hamilton to the title again. Yes Pip, i think it'll be close again but Ferrari and Riakkonen look good. I will still suport Hamilton this season though and will hope he wins the Title.
PESFan92
15-03-2008, 13:45
Watched the Australian qualifying live, and Hamilton looks in top form, i am impressed with Vetel and Kubica, but what a blow for Riakkonen, after the first session i noticed him, going very slow to the pits i thought he was doing it on purpose but he stopped on the entrance to the pits.
The script couldn't have been better
1 Hamilton
2 Kubica
3 Kovelinean(sp)
Although on Kubica's final lap he ran wide on the fast chucaine, which cost him about 0.200. He was fastest in the final sector than Hamilton, but the first 2 sectors Hamilton was on fire. :cool:
Cracking race so far, Glock has just went off mega style. Theres only 10 cars left and theres still 12 laps left! The traction control is making a big difference. Lewis should still win though hes done fuck all and just not got involved.
Kimi is an idiot and could easily have got at least 2nd but he has made some bad decisions and made some mistakes. Ferrari have been shite.
Loved it when they did the interview with Coulthard after Massa took him out and he said that if Massa didn't admit to his mistake he will "beat the shit out of the little bastard". I doubt that will be on the replay.
Kimi has been all over the place so far.
Edit: Well Hamilton did what he had to do, which wasn't really much apart from a few safety cars to deal with. The Ferrari's were all over the place, Kimi was lucky to make it as far into the race as he did as he made a few mistakes which could of taken him out earlier. Delighted for Heidfeld who was a bit lucky with the way the safety cars worked out but his experience showed. Bourdais was unlucky as he was brilliant throughout until his engine blew late.
I was gutted for for Boudrais and that Coulthard comment was one that only a Scotsman would make. ;)
3 more retirements in those last 12 laps and some last minute drama for Kovalainen. Only 7 finished and one (Barichello) could even get disqualified. :huh:
If all the races are like this without Traction control, its going to be some season. :cool:
I think the qualification is going to be even more important this season. If you can get on the front row it will be huge as the first corner was a mess and being in the pack, in general, always looked like a risk as drivers were going out all over the place. A great start to the season though, should be some cracking races under the new rules.
Kimi already 10 points behind. Ferrari need to sort it out otherwise Hamilton is going to leave Kimi behind and Hamilton is not going give up a lead that easily like he did last season.
PESFan92
19-03-2008, 23:29
Anyone going to predict Malaysia, im going for Ferrari this weekend, because yes ok they had a bad race in Australia, but i do seriously think there will be a Ferrari 1-2 Sunday
Kimi already 10 points behind. Ferrari need to sort it out otherwise Hamilton is going to leave Kimi behind and Hamilton is not going give up a lead that easily like he did last season.
9 actually :tongue:
Anyone going to predict Malaysia, im going for Ferrari this weekend, because yes ok they had a bad race in Australia, but i do seriously think there will be a Ferrari 1-2 Sunday
They didn't just have a bad weekend, at no point did the Ferrari look faster than the McLaren. They definitely need to tweak it to make it more competetive.
F1 is going back to BBC. No adverts! :D
Excellent news!
They'll be on my side - the anti-Hamilton side - for this season at least as they'll want even more people pouring in to BBC coverage in the hope of seeing his first world title in 2009. I agree with what someone has said about it though - there's more to this deal than meets the eye.
PESFan92
20-03-2008, 12:40
Great!, now we wont have adverts every 15 minutes during a race :D
Great News its on BBC, anyone know when it will start?
Next season, the rest of this season will still be on ITV.
If Ferrari want to get back on level terms with McLaren early in the season, Sepang is now the ideal place to do it.
Massa has qualified first, Raikkonen second and both McLaren drivers, who qualified third and fourth, have been handed five-place penalties for obstructing Heidfeld (Hamilton) and Alonso (Kovalainen).
Now all we need is both of the McLaren's to collide, ending each other's race and hopefully a bit more.
Massa should be good at this circuit.
Alonso stated that he thinks that he wouldn't win this time at Sepang.
Grr, I couldn't go there cause I'm cash-strapped and the tickets are not cheap. :(
Good news Sweey, Kovalainen and Hamilton have been been penalised for impeding Nick Heidfeld and Fernando Alonso on their qualifying lap. They both drop back 5 places. :)
Good news Sweey, Kovalainen and Hamilton have been been penalised for impeding Nick Heidfeld and Fernando Alonso on their qualifying lap. They both drop back 5 places. :)
Massa has qualified first, Raikkonen second and both McLaren drivers, who qualified third and fourth, have been handed five-place penalties for obstructing Heidfeld (Hamilton) and Alonso (Kovalainen).
Now all we need is both of the McLaren's to collide, ending each other's race and hopefully a bit more.
;):)
Do you not like McLaren?
;):)
Do you not like McLaren?
I don't hate them, I actually like Hamilton and Kovalainen, it's just that they have a cunt in charge by the name of Ron Dennis who I dispise with a passion.
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5895/owneden8.gif
:laugh:
AgentZero
22-03-2008, 22:02
theyll winz
greenegg
22-03-2008, 22:33
F1 is going back to BBC. No adverts! :D
When it was originally on the Beeb it had no adverts sure but also no qualifying and no actual race correct me if I'm wrong. I think it was just an hour of highlights and such was the ineptness at the time a young Jonathon Ross was presenter. Again I could be wrong but let's hope the BBC have learnt something from ITV.
Greenegg you're loopy. They always showed races but may not have showed qualifying. I watched races as far back as 1991 or 1992.
F1 is going back to BBC. No adverts! :D
Bring back Fleetwood Mac!
Badgerman
23-03-2008, 04:35
When it was originally on the Beeb it had no adverts sure but also no qualifying and no actual race correct me if I'm wrong. I think it was just an hour of highlights and such was the ineptness at the time a young Jonathon Ross was presenter. Again I could be wrong but let's hope the BBC have learnt something from ITV.
There's a Youtube of the Senna lap around Donnington Park with Ross commentating but they've always had the races live, not the qualifying though.
However Bernie has hinted that he expect the beeb to be very innovative with it's F1 coverage so expect even practice available through the interactive service.
But FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GET IT IN HD christ sake it's a premium sporting event and is still in SD in 2008.
50 minutes till the race, can't wait.
Have to watch it through stream here though, as Australian coverage is hopeless, and shows it at like 2am in the morning.
Good to see Hamilton getting pushed down the grid, same with Kova, Ferrari 1-2 today would be good, with McLaren's crashing into each other at the start.
AgentZero
23-03-2008, 07:14
yell tell me about ti...fuck u haterzzz, McLaren FTW.
Need a good Australian driver TBH, so we can see the races live ;)
AgentZero
23-03-2008, 09:27
webber had his chance to move...but stayed:huh::shocking:
Unlucky Massa.
He should have finish second if it's not because of the failure.
Massa's fault, had a easy lead over 3rd, pushed the car too much, didn't need to push that much TBH.
Webber was impressive IMO, kept Hamilton behind him for a lot of laps, didn't get overtaken on the track either by him I don't think.
Congrats to Raikkonen. I'm sure you're happy with him right Rafa?
Kubica is consistent throughout the race too.
PESFan92
23-03-2008, 21:19
McLaren where not very good today, whether it was down to the team or the drivers i don't know, but they were completely off the pace of Riakkonen.
Hamiltons chances of a podium finish, were spoiled, by the first round of pit stops, lost about 12 seconds, due to the front right wheel nut not coming off when they were taking the wheel off. He was strongest on the harder tyer, and the question remains, what might have been if he was on the harder tyer in the middle stint because he was clearly faster than Webber, Trulli, Kubica, Kovelienen(sp) on the harder tyer.
Massa, don't know what he was thinking at about turn 8? when he spun it. But thats traction control for you the drivers can't rely on the car no more, they have to rely on themselves. Perhaps, just a lack of concerntration.
Riakkonen, drove extremely well, easily driver of the day. No one could match his pace. The next 3 races are vital for Riakkonen, because on slower tracks like Monaco, McLaren, i think will do better than Ferrari. But tracks like Bahrain, Malaysia, Spa, Ferrari will do better.
The press conference reminded me why I hate Raikkonen. Might as well put a towel in front of the camera.
The press conference reminded me why I hate Raikkonen. Might as well put a towel in front of the camera.
What exactly did he do? Did I miss something?
I think its his complete lack of personality and the fact he never smiles. Didn't see the press conference but he always looks like such a miserable shit.
PESFan92
24-03-2008, 20:36
I rarley see him happy in an interview.
greenegg
24-03-2008, 20:42
Greenegg you're loopy. They always showed races but may not have showed qualifying. I watched races as far back as 1991 or 1992.
As said I could have been wrong and as was the case I was. I think you're slightly older than me so your memoirs are better. However I was quite sure about the qualifying.
There's a Youtube of the Senna lap around Donnington Park with Ross commentating but they've always had the races live, not the qualifying though.
However Bernie has hinted that he expect the beeb to be very innovative with it's F1 coverage so expect even practice available through the interactive service.
But FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GET IT IN HD christ sake it's a premium sporting event and is still in SD in 2008.
It would look immense in HD. Also since the last time they had it they can learn from it and as you say they can have the whole shebang.
Congrats to Raikkonen. I'm sure you're happy with him right Rafa?
Very happy, angry @ Massa though.
Forza Alonso! :ninja:
I actually hope he did it deliberately and if he did, a job well done. Have a world championship point.
AgentZero
06-04-2008, 12:57
a pole on pole! - best headline ever.
Forza Alonso! :ninja:
I actually hope he did it deliberately and if he did, a job well done. Have a world championship point.
Same here. It will make him look like more of cunt than he already is and hopefully harm his chances of ever joining Ferrari.
Same here. It will make him look like more of cunt than he already is and hopefully harm his chances of ever joining Ferrari.
Yep. Last thing I want is him driving for Ferrari.
What happened?
Zissou, Hamilton had fallen behind Alonso and coming out of a corner, Alonso appeared either to tap the brake slightly or just make an error and fail to accelerate correctly so Hamilton caught him and drove up his rear tyre, losing part of his front wing and being forced into the pits.
Am I wrong to suggest Hamilton had enough time to notice he was catching Alonso and drive around him? There was definitely space on the track.
Zissou, Hamilton had fallen behind Alonso and coming out of a corner, Alonso appeared either to tap the brake slightly or just make an error and fail to accelerate correctly so Hamilton caught him and drove up his rear tyre, losing part of his front wing and being forced into the pits.
Him being the cunt he is, I would go for this.
Him being the cunt he is, I would go for this.
Almost certainly true but if he is sanctioned for it I will be disgusted as it will simply be down to the fact Hamilton is British. After all, nothing happened to Coulthard when he did it to Schumacher in Belgium in 1999 or so and cost him the championship.
It may be sanctioned because of the histort between the two? And how obvious a cock Alonso was in all of it?
It may be sanctioned because of the histort between the two? And how obvious a cock Alonso was in all of it?
But it shouldn't be based on that.
As much of a dickhead as Alonso is and was in the situation last season, Hamilton's a disgrace and deserves his career ended as soon as possible. On a slightly different note, such a shame Jenson Button hasn't lived up to his potential.
Why is Hamilton a disgrace?
Why is Hamilton a disgrace?
All the criticisms he threw out at Ferrari last season, going on and on about how McLaren were squeaky clean, perfect and the only ones deserving of winning either of the championships. How up Ron Dennis' arse he is and was because without that twat's money he wouldn't have made it and his general arrogance. Look at him now...more concerned with spending time in the US with rappers or dodging tax abroad despite saying he would categorically never move abroad. He used press intrusion as an excuse.
AgentZero
06-04-2008, 13:19
fck al u 8erzzz hamilton rulzz LOL!
Good job Fisichella by keeping Hamilton behind him.
EDIT: Not now.
AgentZero
06-04-2008, 13:27
surprised noone has mentioned the mosely ruckus.
surprised noone has mentioned the mosely ruckus.
http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=59815
AgentZero
06-04-2008, 16:32
feck
Nice to see the Ferrari one-two.
Badgerman
11-07-2008, 18:53
Sorry to revive a long since dead thread but I was wondering whether there was enough interest here to start a F1 game in Batracer? (http://batracer.com/-1FrontPage.htm?KrV)
For those of you not familiar with it, you set your car up by testing parameters between 0-100 based on instructors advice.
You set your car up and the game generates qualifications and races on alternating days.
Hard to explain but it's relatively simple and it's a right laugh.
If there's enough interest then I'll set up a private game for Pesgaming.
Phatmann
11-07-2008, 19:14
Sorry to revive a long since dead thread but I was wondering whether there was enough interest here to start a F1 game in Batracer? (http://batracer.com/-1FrontPage.htm?KrV)
For those of you not familiar with it, you set your car up by testing parameters between 0-100 based on instructors advice.
You set your car up and the game generates qualifications and races on alternating days.
Hard to explain but it's relatively simple and it's a right laugh.
If there's enough interest then I'll set up a private game for Pesgaming.
I'd be up for it; it sounds interesting.
Badgerman
11-07-2008, 19:29
Well a full game requires 22 players but I can start a Private game whenever.
Ideally we want about 20 people taking part (if no one loves Super Aguri enough to take them)
If I can drum up enough interest here then I'll start the game and we can have a mad dash for the good seats.
I suppose I am interested, what ever it is.
Badgerman
11-07-2008, 23:45
It's a great game, seriously you bastards.
One piece of advice I'd give is to use as a driver characteristic either thinker of charisma, it enables you to do your test runs at 100 without fail, 100 being the number where you get most feedback.
We shall have a wonderful time.
PESFan92
19-07-2008, 14:45
German Grand Prix Qualifying was entertaining. Massa looked good and thought he should have had pole, but as Allen said Hamilton must have been quick through the stadium section to grab pole.
Hamilton to win tomorrow?
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