slipknot

[evil m1k]

does any one here actually like slipknot????
theyre albums rock and so do there side bands murderdolls and stone sour!!!!

ROCK ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Definitely Maybe]

Excessive shouting and stupid masks.... No thanks.

[Zoidberg]

They wear the masks because they're a bunch of acne-ridden losers, they need to create an image to sell to people who like to rebel, or like to think they're rebelling anyway. "We're gonna shout really loud and play distorted instruments cos Daddy doesn't like it".

On other words...shit :)

[Mambo]

I'd rather pluck my pubic hairs one by one and then eat them

[GFK]

Totally crap Slipknot. What are the ''singing'' about if you can call it singing! they are schouting about what?! Its al bullshit. So I totally agree with Mambo.

[stevieboy]

Not really my cup of tea either...Nearly got hit in the face by one of the little tossers flickin' Ali G stylee hand signals at another wannabe yank in town the other day. Wouldn't mind, but this is sleepy Sussex we're talking about NOT the Bronx.

[Zero]

They must be up there in the top 5 for music you listen to while self harming with a compass and shouting "make me bad!".

It's stupid complete trash like them sell. There I was thinking music should be pleasant to the hear.

[L . F . C]

slipknot are crap alls the say is im gonna kill you i'll slit your fuckin throat (raaargh)

[Pig]

Slipknot is what I imagine shit sounds like. Its not really suprising that people who listen to that crap think they are depressed, they are depressed because they have spent their hard earned money on a CD that would make deaf people pissed off.

[L . F . C]

agreed

[Mambo]

Do you know what pisses me off even more? Those cocks are filthy shitting rich thanks to that crap.

[Pig]

One day they will be brought to justice. Making noise (not music) that bad should carry the death penalty.

[adams9802]

Slipknot, Korn, Godsmack are all terrible american abominations and I'm sorry...

[munky]

I thought the English liked Slipknot

[A Perfect Gary]

Ah... Slipknot... they're certainly... interesting, if only because 13 year olds say they are (not that there's anything wrong with being 13, i'm pretty sure i was once...)

Personally I think they are unnecessarily heavy, though I'm sure fans will disagree, and the point which I find most interesting about them is that Mick Thomson (I think that's his name) cites a load of neo-classical guitarists as influences, and even played some music in the style to prove the point for a guitar mag, then he disregards it for playing in Slipknot...

Ah well... anywho, to summarise, Slipknot = Over-rated and image driven

[munky]

Every band has their own style and fans. It's not a matter of the interests of 13 yearolds. The comment you made the there is totally ignorant and pointless.

[A Perfect Gary]

Ok then, I'll continue to elaborate the point then, ok?

Slipknot are a band that, be it through their choosing or not, have made their entire existance based around an image, consisting of masks, and all dressing in boilersuits, or whatever else they all wear. This takes a back seat to any sort of musical ideas that they try to put forward, which aren't that great.

Before I go further, I've listened to the self-titled album, and some of Iowa, so I know what I'm talking about (just to clear that up...)

Now, as I mentioned before, Mick Thomson is quite the good technical guitar player (Joey Jordison has been quoted as saying that it's an honour (or words to that effect) to have a better technical player play his riffs and ideas, such as Wait and Bleed), however from what I've heard of them, there's not a lot there that comes close to showing his full potential. However, despite not showing off his chops to their fullest he's more than happy to walk around dressed in what could be loosely described a uniform, playing relatively simple riffs on a vastly down-tuned guitar.

Next up, Corey Taylor, a picture of whom is handily provided in the form of munky's avatar... Now, there's no denying that the guy has a powerful voice, and he has a good range of tone within his voice, but in Slipknot interviews, he is putting on an act the entire time... Compare a Slipknot interview to a Stone Sour interview, and it's like talking to 2 different people. Now this may be jumping to conclusions, but I'm going to assume that he's putting the act on in Slipknot, both due to the image-driven nature of the band, and the fact that Stone Sour was his first band (not sure if the lineup is the same, but it's the same name, with the same singer...) Now that is an aspect of the band aimed at, and marketed towards impressionable people, who are more likely to lie in the younger teen years, due to the fact that they are more likely to connect to an image, and the fact they are in their formative years, so by nature they'll latch on to something (this is something I know from personal experience, so don't anyone say I'm being "ignorant" about that)

Now, for my point on a member, Joey Jordison, who is probably more rated in his field by people who aren't fans rather than those who are, simply because most fans don't take the time to understand what the musicians are doing, and how it compares to others in the same area of music. Again this is from experience of talking to fans of Slipknot who are clueless, and come out with lines such as "yeah, he's class" and "it's just soooo heavy" when trying to discuss the technical points of the music...

Anywho, I'm gonna balance this by quoting something I read somewhere - "Anyone that can get 9 guys into a room, and come out with something that doesn't sound like dirge are a force to be reckoned with" (I'm sure some people here may disagree, but i digress...). I agree with this because there are elements that are good, but all of the heaviness of the music is a part of the image, the excessively downtuned guitars being a factor in favour of this view...

So... if I was too ignorant and pointless before, hopefully I'm not now... I hoped I could comment on a similar as everyone else, but apparently I have to justify everything I say, so I will... and I stand by my summary:

Slipknot = Over-rated and image driven

Gary

[munky]

I agree with your comments upon Joey Jordison. He's one of the best drummers out there.

The thing I don't get is the marketing part. I suggest that you read the text in the Iowa inlet that starts with the words " Understand this: This has never been a popularity contest...." Those guys are out there for doing music. The marketing is done by Roadrunner Records (shit- in other words).

About Corey, you need to make clear the dates of the Slipknot interviews. If you're talking about 2001, I totally agree. But closer to date, he often used statements such as "Stone Sour = Honesty, Slipknot = Shit". And he always talks about how good it makes him feel when he's with Stone Sour. So you see Corey is done with Slipknot after the upcoming album in April.

And for the images, I don't think that it's really important. If they were aiming to hide their identities, why would Corey, Jim, Joey, Shawn be unmasked for their side projects? Don't bother the masks, just keep on with the awesome vocals and riffs they've got.


Munk

[A Perfect Gary]

Yeah, props to Joey, but I still think that the comment in the Iowa inlay is fairly redundant when you take into consideration the fact that the image was in place way before then, but I digress...

The Corey interviews i couldn't give u dates for coz it's my impression of them as a whole, though it seems that he acknowledges this himself, which is fair enough.

Despite the whole masking/unmasking issue, there's no denying that when you see a guy on stage with a mask on in a boilersuit, there's only Slipknot that you're gonna think of (well... maybe Mushroomhead... though I'm not sure if they wear boilersuits... plus their singer doesn't wear a mask...) and in that fact alone the marketing has worked, as you associate that image immediately with that band...

Also, while we're talking about side-projects (which i assume will become primary projects soon) Inhale by Stone Sour was one of my favourite singles of 2003, and I have nothing but respect and admiration for Corey and Joey's musical abilities, and I'm not going to comment on the rest of the band due to lack of knowledge on the subject...

Peace out

Gary

[munky]

Alright, despite those 10 year olds, Slipknot does great music IMO. They might be too brutal for some, and those 'some' need to point out the trend and selling out fact every time.

Slipknot is great, no denying. Thus they are from Iowa, "middle of nowhere", so give them a chance to prove themselves. OK, that was stupid.


MunkMan

[A Perfect Gary]

Some of the aspects of Slipknot are pretty good, the production in particular being pretty great, but the problem that I have with them is that they have little or no contrast within the songs, and a very one dimensional outlook on their musical vision in general...

I agree with you saying they're too heavy for some, because they are, one size doesn't fit all etc. but I know that that isn't the problem that I have with them... (I did say they were unnecessarily heavy, but not too heavy...) The way I see it, they're kind of self-nullifying, as there's nothing to measure the heaviness against, or more accurately, the intensity...

This is evident when you listen to bands such as Tool (example: Parabol/Parabola from the album Lateralus) and Machinehead (example: Imperium from the album Through The Ashes Of Empires), who can spend the time building up to something so that when it comes the contrast makes it that much more noticable. Also it's worth noting that they were the first two bands that came to mind and the use of contrast of either volume, intensity, tempo, timbre or any other musical device, or combinations of the above (I know that's jumbled, but I'm trying here :)) are noticeable in many different types and genres of music, from classical to pop to progressive rock to almost anything else...

Basically they, as a group, seem to over do the whole "angst" thing that they're about, at the expense of musical devices that would in fact accentuate the emotional content of the song...

Anywho, I'm not gonna slag them off too much, coz I don't mind them, though I still think they're over-rated in many circles, and munky, to give you an idea of where I'm coming from, I'd recommend you listen to some Tool (yeah, I'm border-line fan-boy, so sue me) or some Dream Theater as they are both a lot more diverse than your standard metal bands, Tool in an emotional sense, and Dream Theater in a virtuosically musical sense (John Petrucci (guitarist) and Mike Portnoy (drummer) could quite easily be classified as virtuosic in their respective fields without too much argument)

Anywho, take it easy

Gary

[Pig]

Slipknot = Over shit and shit driven.

It is the perfect music to take 36 paracetamol and a litre of vodka to.

[adams9802]

Or enough heroin to make the screaming stop

[munky]

I've got Aenima and Tool kicks ass.