Top 10: Things that will make PES 2009 great.

[Vitumbiko]

Got this from Video Gamer

This might be old to some but anyway

10. Get rid of the invisible barriers for throw-ins. This has been a bug-bear of mine throughout the series. When taking throw-ins, your player seems to have this magical bubble around him that prevents receiving and defending players from getting too close. This isn't how they do it in real life, and so this isn't how it should be in PES, the most realistic football simulation ever. Get rid Konami.

9. Sort the music out.

PES has always had cheesy music, but PES 2008 has possibly the worst, cheesiest, cringe-worthy music ever heard in a video game. What you get is a small box in the top-right corner which details the song name and the genre, from salsa to drum and bass. Some of the tracks are so mind-numbingly bad, that we've had to turn the background music off entirely just to end the pain. Let me give you some sample lyrics from a piece of original music in the game (you have to imagine this with a Status Quo-type punk rock riff): "Football, soccer, football, soccer, football, soccer, all around the world. Football, soccer, football, soccer, football, soccer, Greatest game of all!" This isn't licensed music, this is god-awful music. Konami, please, do something.

8. Tweak the keepers.

Some players criticised Pro Evolution Soccer 6 for the way keepers seemed to suffer from Paul Robinson syndrome - spilling the ball at strikers' feet whenever a shot comes in. While they've tweaked the keepers in PES 2008 so that it happens less often, it's still heart in the mouth time whenever the opposition let fly from mid to close range. Whatever happened to Dave 'Safe Hands' Seaman?

7. Don't break play up with changes in camera angles.

One of the great improvements in PES 2008 is the ability to take quick free kicks and for refs to be able to dish out cards without the game cutting to a different camera angle. If you have the game set to wide view (of course you do), and you hack Cristiano Ronaldo from behind the ref will trotter over and dish out a card without the camera leaving that view. It's so great that we want it extended to non-shooting free kicks and goal kicks. There's no need for the 'behind the player' camera angle in these circumstances, so keeping the wide view while the keeper trots off to get the ball from a ball boy or a player passing the ball to another so he can take a free-kick in his own half would be fine. Not just fine, it would be fantastic.

6. Skill-based penalties.

As far as we can tell, there's no skill to penalties in PES at all. If you're the keeper you guess the direction and hope for the best. If you're shooting, you press the direction and hope it doesn't hit the post or go wide. While real life penalties are somewhat of a lottery, there's obviously skill involved. We'd love to see Konami introduce a penalty system that somehow took skill to master. How about a return to the way it was in ISS 64 with the boxes?. Oh, and Konami, get rid of those dodgy new keeper camera angles please.

5. Make and share videos of your matches.

Halo 3 has taken game editing to a whole new level with the ability to save videos of matches and share them with friends. How great would it be if you could do that with PES? You could win a seven-goal thriller with your mate then watch it from the perspective of a floating camera that you were in total control of. Then you could share your films with your friends through Xbox Live or PlayStation Network. You could even save your favourite goals or funny moments, edit it together so it looks really cool and then submit it for consideration on Konami's Goal of the Month competition, which everyone can check out through XBL or PSN. How great would that be? Come on Konami, we know you can do it.

4. Overhaul the online offering.

PES 2008 only allows 1 vs 1 matches online, which is disappointing. We'd love to see that increased for the next game, even if it is only 2 vs 2. We'd also love the opportunity to create private leagues with your friends, a bit like The Sun's Fantasy Football. And how about PlayStation Eye and Xbox LIVE Vision support so that you can see your opponent's reaction when you score a last minute winner, and they can see you jumping around the room and screaming your head off? And what about the lag? Playing PES 2008 online is nowhere as smooth an experience as it is offline. While this situation may improve with patches and updates, and we know that completely lag free play is impossible, we'd love Konami to improve the situation for PES 2009.

3. More official licenses and more teams.

It's a question of taste as to whether you like to play in real kits, in real stadiums, with players that aren't named Gills and teams that aren't named North London FC. Personally, I'm a big fan of official licenses in football games. It's one of the best features about FIFA 08 and something that I've always felt adds authenticity to the match experience. It seems like Konami has taken a sideways step with the English Premier League rather than a forward one. Official licenses for Manchester United and Arsenal have been replaced with Newcastle and Tottenham. We know it's very difficult, given EA Sports' exclusive deal, but we can only hope that the situation will improve with PES 2009. We'd also like to see more teams, both national and club. How about the German, Scottish and Portuguese leagues?

2. Improve the graphics.

Now that we're well into next-gen gaming, there's no real excuse why PES' visuals aren't top notch. While player animations and faces (some) are great, playing the game in the main wide angle simply looks terrible when compared with FIFA 08. We're not asking for much, since it's gameplay that really counts, but we'd like to see the crowd receive a lick of paint, the menus re-thought, player kits more real looking and the overall presentation dragged into the next generation. We love the classic PES animation, but a few tweaks here and there wouldn't go amiss.

1. Don't overhaul the game engine. We love PES.

We love it like a fine vintage wine that gets better with age while keeping the essence of what makes it taste so good. All we're really asking for is subtle changes, changes that will give that awe-inspiring gameplay a next-generation, high definition sheen. For years PES has been one of the greatest multiplayer games in the world. The feeling of satisfaction you get from scoring a goal in PES, be it a tap-in at the end of an Arsenal-esque 20-pass move or a Frank Lampard scorcher, is unlike anything in gaming. It's about as close as us mortals are going to get to that uncontrollable burst of emotion professional footballers experience week in, week out. We've been enjoying those feelings on a virtual basis for years, and we want to keep enjoying them for many years to come.

What would you like to see in PES 2009? Let us know in the comments section below.

[hitmanuk2k]

Just to clarify, this list is from VideoGamer.

[DJ Clue]

So its not his 10 things.

[Bunford]

I'd add a couple of things to that list such as:

1. More/real stadiums with realistic atmospheres
By this i mean stadiums for at least all main club and inernational teams with their relevant atmospheres. For example, when AC Milan would be playing Inter Milan you'd sense the tension in the atmosphere and have a 'real' type of atmosphere such as flares etc all happening in the San Siro. And when Bolton are playing Portsmouth, there'd be a less tense atmosphere etc. I know this is a bit adventurous but I think this would add loads to the game as it would create a kind of pressure on the player.

2. Tweak the passing system
The passing system seems to be 75% of the way there. I'd like to see some adjustments though. The main adjustment being that the game detects who you're obviously trying to pass to. I hate when I try to pass to a team mate and cos he's slightly distanced it end up being a weak pass in a general direction to no-one which goes from a throw in. Maybe a more intelligent passing system would be better as these 'passes' to nobody don't happen in real life.

3. Add skillsets
Each player should have skillsets. There could be general ones for most players but could have added specific sets for players with high and individual skill levels like C.Ronaldo, Messi, Ronaldinho, Kaka etc. This is possible as wrestling games are notorious for allocating special skillsets to each individual differing from everyone else. It'd make the game more realistic too. I think this would add to the attacking part of the game as different players would attack in different ways and it'd add variety to the game and keep the 'player' on their toes and would need to actually learn the skills and attacking style of teams.

4. Tweak the AI system
Have the AI of the game take 'true' managerial decisions. For example, if the computer is losing 3-1 and it's late in the second half, they would sub a defender for a forward and change formation to a more attacking style, or whatever would be appropriate to push for goals for that specific team. This is what happens in real football and would keep the leading team guessing and challenge them til the final whistle.

5. Tweak the defending system
Where I actually like a lot of the defending aspect of PES 2008 as it challenges the player, it still needs tweaking. I think it is vital to add more defending varieties. At the moment, there is a sliding tackle option, a press X to wrestle the ball option or hold R2 to stand off. I think real life defending has more variety and perhaps more intelligent sutomatic interceptions and covering defenders for a 'player' should be employed.

6. Get rid of generic scoring methods
These make the game unrealistic at the moment. By generic scoring methods, I mean things like the annoying cut back and the ease of dribbling the keeper etc. These should me more sporadic and random and happen on rare occasions not 99% of the time.

7. Make keepers more intelligent
Keepers should be made more intelligent, in particular in one-on-ones where the striker always either dribbles past or gets the penalty. What happened to Schmeichel style goalkeeping? Keepers should also parry the ball less as the amount of parrying is unrealistic.

8. Include lower leagues
This would make PES dominate over FIFA as you could then have true ML careers going from the lower leagues up to the England League. This is what is the most appealign factor about FIFA and why it is still on the heels of PES. It's time Konami stopped being greedy and invested some money in gaining licenses to use these lower leagues as it make them money by the ton-load in future as this factor alone would convert huge number of FIFA players.

[Vitumbiko]

So its not his 10 things.

Yeah there not mine, thats why i said you guys may have seen this article before. Sorry.

8. Include lower leagues
This would make PES dominate over FIFA as you could then have true ML careers going from the lower leagues up to the England League. This is what is the most appealign factor about FIFA and why it is still on the heels of PES. It's time Konami stopped being greedy and invested some money in gaining licenses to use these lower leagues as it make them money by the ton-load in future as this factor alone would convert huge number of FIFA players.

I don't know if konami would do that.

[souvlakimike]

that would be good tho init

[Vitumbiko]

that would be good tho init

i know with the championship, ligue 2, Spanish 2nd divison(dont kno the spelling), and Serie B: that would make a great master league even without the licensed kits

[Red Owl]

10. Get rid of the invisible barriers for throw-ins.
Yes. This is great, as it would mean 9/10 times you'll have to go for a long throw in, and it introduces SKILL!
9. Sort the music out.
Pro Evo's music has been psychedelic garbage. Always. But if you get FIFA, they have some alright tracks, but 70% ish is R n B stuff that is pain to the ears. BUT they show common sense. R3 and the track is changed. Pro Evo should do something similar - I suggest the Select button/XBox equivalent. But I'd rather Konami spend money on gameplay instead of licensed songs.
8. Tweak the keepers.
Keepers should be easier to beat in the air, the backpass rule should be enforced better, and if it's straight at the keeper, a non-catch should be very rare, unless the shot is absolutely blasted.
7. Don't break play up with changes in camera angles.
You need the camera behind the taker with free kicks and goal kicks if you plan to aim it a particular direction (instead of just Aladycing it up the pitch towards Big Man Up Front). I always play every single dead ball as a pass though, unless it's a corner or a shooting chance.
6. Skill-based penalties.
Definately. As it stands, it's just a lottery, which is awful really.
5. Make and share videos of your matches.
I'dlove to be able to make a highlights package of my games, or at least save the 6 highlight one Konami do at the end of the game.
4. Overhaul the online offering.
I don't have online.
3. More official licenses and more teams.
Pretty hard, The FA has contracted themselves to EA so Konami can only ever have 2 Premiership teams maximum. But at least have good teams, not Spurs and Newcastle!!! (Although it is good how even these two are on Pro Evo)
2. Improve the graphics.
The graphics are alright, it's the editing options that make no use whatsoever of the graphics.
1. Don't overhaul the game engine. We love PES.
Some aspects could be tweaked. Actually I'll rephrase that. Change the defending. It would be nice to have defending that kinda reflects real life, as opposed to Wild West saloon doors.

[lukas9]

they should make online play without any lag like pes6

[The Eristic]

4. Tweak the AI system
Have the AI of the game take 'true' managerial decisions. For example, if the computer is losing 3-1 and it's late in the second half, they would sub a defender for a forward and change formation to a more attacking style...


The AI does that already. They keep changing to three in the back when I'm up by two goals or more, then I wind up winning by five or six! :shocking:

[AgentZero]

yeh nevermind the no licenses for england but i would like a really comprehensive in game edit function. Surely will spark more activity around the forum PES related.

[Dundon's]

It needs a lot more than 10 things sorted before I'll buy it.

[souvlakimike]

ye tru

[Vitumbiko]

It also needs to bring back that pes 6 national thing were u select ur national team

[stuandpolar]

It also needs to bring back that pes 6 national thing were u select ur national team

some good ideas but i think it just needs minor things like -

- PES shop return
- scenario mode return
- full edit return
- more players online, so 4 v4
- online leagues
- master league - able to move clubs (like FM), multiplayer (like FM)
- Unl;imited saved goals (save online goals as well)
- career mode (ie. take one player and train and improve and move from club to club), this was in a previous version and was really good fun

[RangersFC]

Club Chants Would Be Great ! .
And More Licences And Stadiums would Be Sweet 2

[Amateur]

It needs a lot more than 10 things sorted before I'll buy it.

Couldn't agree more. 10 things are not nearly enough to sort out Konami's PES. At the very least, there should be 20 things.

In short, Konami NEEDS to; completely change the crappy gameplay of PES 2008, graphics can be far better (although they are already good), Internet Play must be playable, REPLACE the OLD stats and special skills system - with a better NEXT GEN system of skills, greatly improve the commentary, and a few unimportant things such as licenses, etc, etc..

However, Does Konami haves anything up their sleeve?? By the looks of it - It seems that Konami cannot cope with what the PS3 can offer.

[souvlakimike]

exactly what i think
i think it will be a while till Konami learn the best of the next gen consoles

[fusiongt]

I think the throw-in bubble problem is annoying, but what's more annoying is the fact that each throw in has to take forever to happen. In real life, people can quickly throw the ball in as if it never went out in the first place. It's similar to how you can do a tap free kick now (though doesn't seem to allow it when we actually want it) so why not throw ins as well? Give us 2-3 seconds to decide if we want a quick throw in.

[souvlakimike]

ye!

[PESFan92]

I would like to see penalties improved greatly. Like for big occasions say like the World Cup final or Cup final theres like a pressure meter or something and the shooting gauge is like the one from Fifa where the more pressure you are under the more chance you have of missing it. And the keepers have animations to do as much as possible to put the taker off.

[AgentZero]

i agree with pesfan maybe the penalties should be revamped from just pressing a button to say using the shoulder buttons and the right analog to take it.

also one thing that would cream my pants, ronaldo's free kick animation :w00t :happy: :dribble:

[Cookie]

I hope they include the ability to watch a replay of a previous passage of play, after the ball has gone out of play. I know it won't make PES 2009 great, but still, It's a bit absurd that you can't do this already.

[souvlakimike]

ye like in fifa streets and stuff
that would be sick
and maybe more skills

[Original?]

Get rid of most of the special abilities, the majority should have a true statistic not just an on/off switch. Penalty Taking should be a statistic for example, as should slide tackling, marking and playmaking (renamed as creativity). They should also expand the mentality attribute to bring elements such as temperament into the game to make it more realistic.

[souvlakimike]

ye thats a good idea for the special abilities

[Red Owl]

Get rid of most of the special abilities, the majority should have a true statistic not just an on/off switch. Penalty Taking should be a statistic for example, as should slide tackling, marking and playmaking (renamed as creativity). They should also expand the mentality attribute to bring elements such as temperament into the game to make it more realistic.

Excellent point, up to the part where everyone commits suicide when trying to create a new player.

[souvlakimike]

lol

[Amateur]

Excellent point, up to the part where everyone commits suicide when trying to create a new player.

Then don't create a "new player". Changing the Special Abilities is a MUST for any next gen Football game. 100% agree with 'Original?'. And by the way, Penalty, Sliding Tackle, Marking, etc, etc.. - are all individual techniques, and they should all be individual stats.

[sanjaym]

I think they should show a lot more statistics of the players like amount of appearances for their club,100 league goals, leage home record (like chelsea unbeaten home record) most leage goals score all time etc

[Cookie]

I hope they show the man of the match at the end of a match, like in previous versions of the game. It would also be nice to see a lot more atmosphere when playing, like the crowd booing the away team, and if the dive feature is still including next year, the crowd jeering a player who has dived, throughout the game.

[StaVriS92]

the most important: Improve Antonio Cassano stats!!! :D

[stuandpolar]

I hope they show the man of the match at the end of a match, like in previous versions of the game. It would also be nice to see a lot more atmosphere when playing, like the crowd booing the away team, and if the dive feature is still including next year, the crowd jeering a player who has dived, throughout the game.

yeah, M.O.M needs to return and loads more stats are needed, ground covered / pass completion / team of the month - season / goal of month - season.

basically, it just needs to emulate the great football manager for the master league side of things with the great playability of pro evo, a perfect mix if done right

[cadburyho]

1.more intense contact between players
2.blood and nasty injuries
3.better defensive response to speedy wingers
4.keepers that can taunt
5.unique chants of each club and country
6.referee to be a solid figure for realistic ball deflection
7.real stadium for each club and country
8.real face of each player
9.more international leagues
10. better management mode

Last but not least, currently the ML can be boring at times because invariably the same team will occupy the same top spots. Eg. Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool & MU. But since we are playing the ML for many years ahead it does not necessarily mean that these team will continue to occupy the high positions. I would like to see minnows eg Derby, Sunderland becoming a powerhouse through some complicated programming where they are bestowed with some great classic players in the course of ML competition. Over the course of 10 or 20 seasons, I would love to see a major transformation. Eg. Arsenal dropping to Div 2,
MU languishing at the bottom of Div 2 due to poor succession of great players. ML can only get better.

[Tommy88]

the major thing i want is online improved alot.

1st. no lag.

2nd. atleast 2 v 2

3rd. online leagues and cups.

4th. lots of online stats, say for example you can see peoples top 5 picked teams and how many times theyv picked them. and ther top 5 scorers and how many thev scored. And lots more stuff

[.:jester:.]

i know this might sound a bit sick

but how about actual injuries like cadburyho stated.
but im talking about full on injuries, like if john terry slid into ronaldo and caught his ankle or something, maybe his ankle could break with a replay being shown, or maybe it just says 'ronaldo has a broken ankle' and they can have realistic time off like 8 months or something. with the injury stat being a feature in all the pes games, maybe it could go down or up depending on how many injuries a player picks up in a season. alos better commentary would be good and real money like pounds or dollars or even euros.

[souvlakimike]

i see wot u ar talking about with injuries good idea

[DunkTheJunk]

some good ideas but i think it just needs minor things like -

- PES shop return
- scenario mode return
- full edit return
- more players online, so 4 v4
- online leagues
- master league - able to move clubs (like FM), multiplayer (like FM)
- Unl;imited saved goals (save online goals as well)
- career mode (ie. take one player and train and improve and move from club to club), this was in a previous version and was really good fun


yeah i agree, but u can save online goals, after the game just go on highlights nd press a go through the goals to your one.

[stuandpolar]

yeah i agree, but u can save online goals, after the game just go on highlights nd press a go through the goals to your one.

i didn't realise that, cheers. damn, i need to score another 30 yard volley!!!

[cadburyho]

i know this might sound a bit sick

but how about actual injuries like cadburyho stated.
but im talking about full on injuries, like if john terry slid into ronaldo and caught his ankle or something, maybe his ankle could break with a replay being shown, or maybe it just says 'ronaldo has a broken ankle' and they can have realistic time off like 8 months or something. with the injury stat being a feature in all the pes games, maybe it could go down or up depending on how many injuries a player picks up in a season. alos better commentary would be good and real money like pounds or dollars or even euros.

Jester you do not sound sick. Konami should reflect the game as in real life. The game plays almost like in real life. Konami should not stop and think when it comes to injury. Just reflect it as in a real game. Konami has nothing to lose but everything to gain. It does not sound violent even to a kid even if a player's face suddenly get smashed in due to a messy clearance or a player breaking an ankle due to a heavy tackle cos these things happen in real life. It will even better if Konami add blood to reflect the state of the injury. Football after all is a physical game. Everyone knows that. If blood or nasty injuries are introduced, the game will even be more realistic. Is football a violent game with blood resulting from a tackle? Definitely not, unless if the players end up like in Fight Night or Smackdown vs Raw. And the best thing is that both these games have blood for realism. I just hope that one day Konami will wake up to this idea.

[souvlakimike]

i agree totally
y stop there
maybe like Petr Cechs injury
there is none of that in PES
(hope u get better soon) like Eduardo Da Silva's injury
Cadburyho and Jester i agree
lets hope they do that in Pes2009 and so on

[.:jester:.]

you know if konami included all their original features and added the injuries, i wouldnt hesitate to call it the best football game ever (at that time lol). i would absolutely love it. it would be so realistic, and when you get frustrated with a player you could just ram him into a post haha

nah im joking but that would just top it off for me as far as realism is concerned, and yeah i rekon there should blood, and the players should lay on the floor for ages until the medics came on, and yeah the whole team should surround him to see if hes ok. heck there could even be a punch up if one of the players feel the other was in the wrong or what ever.

basically it would just be so good if it ever happened, so konami if you ever read this FUCKING ADD IT INTO PES 2009!!!

[Red Owl]

Then don't create a "new player". Changing the Special Abilities is a MUST for any next gen Football game. 100% agree with 'Original?'. And by the way, Penalty, Sliding Tackle, Marking, etc, etc.. - are all individual techniques, and they should all be individual stats.

Don't create a new player? So you're saying you want complicated stats at the expense of accessability for 95% of people who play the game?

Say if I wanted to create myself, (I don't like it though, but I know some people who do create themselves or friends) or maybe I want to create a player who is not on the game, like on PES5 I created Daniel Agger when Liverpool signed him, or even the Sheff Wed team, I'm not allowed to because they've made a labrynth of statistics whereupon perfect knowledge of who you're creating (and a shedload of patience) is the only way of getting the best effect. Seriously, that would only appease the hardcore fanboys if that was added.

Also, if you had such a complex, to a point where it's like the lovechild of Football Manager and Wisden, you are going to deter a hell of a lot people than you are going to attract.

And finally, I think Konami would rather buy Northern Rock than spend all their time judging 100 different stats for hundreds of different players. That's just a guess though.

My suggestion: get rid of the Special Ability bit, and introduce some new stats, but not too many. And when you're creating a player, you have the option to do a simpler method, where say it's grouped into a few groups, like Dribbling would cover both Dribble Accuracy and Dribble Speed and Passing Power could cover Long Pass Power and Short Pass Power. Therefore you can make a player without giving up your life, but those who want to see a little stat bar for every aspect of PES is happy.

[Red Owl]

Anyway, my 10 suggestions.

1. Re-introduce goalkeepers.
2. Give defenders at least some sense of positioning
3. Handball rule
4. Easier editing. Actually, editing that was the same as PS2 editing, on that you could make a good attempt at team's kits without having to be sad enough to scan stuff.
5. The Premiership team licenses NOT to cover two middle-table teams who aren't particularly good.
6. Some lifespan to Master League.
7. Improved online play (both the lag improved and rewards for being crap teams like Real Madrid)
8. Music that's not so unbearable that I don't have to mute the TV (although it does mean I get good use of my new DAB Digital Radio)
9. The COM to use tactics to combat your's.
10. More than 4 different tricks. And that's counting the one where you lift the ball up in the air by going down then up on the right stick.

[muzza798]

1.more intense contact between players
2.blood and nasty injuries
3.better defensive response to speedy wingers
4.keepers that can taunt
5.unique chants of each club and country
6.referee to be a solid figure for realistic ball deflection
7.real stadium for each club and country
8.real face of each player
9.more international leagues
10. better management mode

Last but not least, currently the ML can be boring at times because invariably the same team will occupy the same top spots. Eg. Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool & MU. But since we are playing the ML for many years ahead it does not necessarily mean that these team will continue to occupy the high positions. I would like to see minnows eg Derby, Sunderland becoming a powerhouse through some complicated programming where they are bestowed with some great classic players in the course of ML competition. Over the course of 10 or 20 seasons, I would love to see a major transformation. Eg. Arsenal dropping to Div 2,
MU languishing at the bottom of Div 2 due to poor succession of great players. ML can only get better.


THAT HAPPEND WITH ME. i had 5 "big" teams in my pes 6 league and chelsea and barcelona both got relegated in like 2023 or somin and olypiakos and excelcior were my main rivals.

[Red Owl]

Well Newcastle keep making Europe on my game, that's the equivalent of Derby winning the title, surely?

[Vitumbiko]

1) real money
2) real player's birthdays (so ages can be alright)
3) better master league calender
4) (maybe) all national teams from every country in fifa (doesn't matter to me if licensed or not}
5) Portuguese league

[souvlakimike]

to add
i like ur idea of the birthdays and another point when its one of the players birthdays, they are on top form!
another thing is i want greece league, cyprus league, turkish league, german league, english championship, coca cola league etc.
Cyprus national team etc anyother national team they dont have and another good point u said, REAL MONEY!!!
so in uk they have the pound, in the states they have the dollar etc
nice points!

[Red Owl]

to add
i like ur idea of the birthdays and another point when its one of the players birthdays, they are on top form!
Or hungover.

to add
another thing is i want greece league, cyprus league, turkish league, german league, english championship, coca cola league etc.
Cyprus national team etc anyother national team they dont have and

German league should make a comeback, doubt any of the others would appear, no-one other leagues are likely to be on PES for several years.

I would love the Championship on PES, but I have given up that hope. On PES2009 I might try and make Sheffield Wednesday.

[muzza798]

in pes 5 "thee" ronaldo in my game was out for 52 weeks no joke

[KingShorty]

THAT HAPPEND WITH ME. i had 5 "big" teams in my pes 6 league and chelsea and barcelona both got relegated in like 2023 or somin and olypiakos and excelcior were my main rivals.

it's kind of happening in my season right now 2013.. Arsenal are languishing in 13th place, Blackburn is in 2nd, Liverpool 3rd and Chelsea is fighting for a European spot. (I'm using Man Utd and am in 1st).

In the other leagues, Bayern Munich was dominating but now PSV and Ajax are threatening, Ajax won the title last season.

Real Madrid and Barca were dominating the other league, however, Athletico Madrid has broken their strong hold and is fighting both for top spot.

In my Serie A, it's still both Milan's, Juve and Roma with Udinese making a strong push.

As more and more stars from the past are being signed, things are shaking up.

But I do agree, I remember when a couple of big clubs got relegated to Division 3 in the old Winning Eleven/PES games. In one, I think it was Pro Evo 1, Parma had 0 wins 2 draws and 13 losses before winning 15 straight in the 2nd half of the season.

Playing on top player is becoming too easy. I remember when I used to be scared of 6 star matches.

[ARSENALRULE]

Add Brazilian An Argentina Leagues
Portugal League, Japanese League.... Hate Epl Kits So If U Cant Get Sponsors Add More Leagues An Teams Which U Can!!!!

[souvlakimike]

ye, another thing is i hope they have real music, not HOMEMADE!
and also i hope there is alot more non - real players in masterleague coz it sucks buying the same people over and over again!

[Kevthedrummer]

nah im joking but that would just top it off for me as far as realism is concerned, and yeah i rekon there should blood, and the players should lay on the floor for ages until the medics came on, and yeah the whole team should surround him to see if hes ok. heck there could even be a punch up if one of the players feel the other was in the wrong or what ever.

I think including blood means the game automatically has to be rated 15. That's a good sized chunk of the market gone...

Plus, it would really ruin the flow of the game if you had to wait for medics to come on while a player is performing their amateur dramatics. It's bad enough waiting for the ref to blow his whistle for a FK. You'd watch it the first time and always skip it after that.

[PESFan92]

Looks like I will be going to FIFA09 this year.

The thing thats annoying. Konami have the ingredients to make a great/fantastic PES game but they are so lazy. I absolutely loved Euro2008 and i begin to wonder

"This will be what FIFA09 will be like only with club teams aswell"

[muzza798]

no one who loves pes would ever go to fifa. yh maybe play it round a mates house or (though i never will) actually buy it but to buy fifa INSTEAD of pro evo! ok thats too far. ill admit 2008 was a flat game that droped down from pes 6 but it was worth buying and i cant see how anyone would seriously consider fifa. i mean fifa is sooo ucking slow it a joke. fifa know their gameplay is wack so they throw cash and their big dicks at licences to take out the market.

The thing with fifa is, would you buy it if it had the same licences as pes? the answer for the most part is no. and personally, im no goon or anything, but part of the fun is editing the teams to get them rite. when you've edited most of the stuff you want to it just feels so satisfying. i have to due to the 360 aswell.

I would choose the ML over fifas leagues any day of the week. "oooo wow, i get to play in the Australian league. oooo, i get to play in the J league". lets be fuking honest who the hell is actually queer enough to bother to sit down and play those leagues with crap gameplay. no1!! with the master league you can hand pick you entire league and the others which is great. granted it may not be 'official' but who gives a flying fuk. with all the players on fifa just as good as eachother, transfer windows are utter crap cos you could sign PELE and he would be barely better than Senderos.

Its true what most people say. "FIFA is a childrens game". All it has to offer is its officialty which for people who know nothing about football instantly go for whereas the true footy fans and gaming fans out there know pro evo will ALWAYS be no1. i myself used to be a FIFA fanboy but for the past 5 years ive turned around about 10 of my m8s into likeing pes instead and now none of them can stand FIFA now they've experianced fast flowing footy.

Fifa maybe slow but its not realistic slow its just plain dull slow. ask Ronaldo to sprint the legnth of a pitch and i bet pes 2008 would be closer to his finnishing time than fifa would if you did the same on each game. all fifa wannabees should just leave this site cos no matter how over rated this game may well turn out to be licences can only get you so far on fifa and you'll all come crawling back

[El Pocho]

muzza you are so right with that post i admit i bought both FIFA08 and EURO 08 (edit big mistakes and waste of money), i love soccer games but my heart is 100% pro evo, the A-League will never justify i all round crap game, i mean plzz im ozzie our league is like 6 division EPL....

FIFA is just so crap, that even if we get another rushed or not perfect game like PES08 its still way more playable than that deuschebag game that is made in Canada (soccer capital of the world) and changes programmers and developers every year...

[Kevthedrummer]

FIFA is just so crap, that even if we get another rushed or not perfect game like PES08 its still way more playable than that deuschebag game that is made in Canada (soccer capital of the world) and changes programmers and developers every year...

Japan isn't exactly the soccer capital either though...

[Elavius]

no but i'd say they were better than canada

[PESFan92]

PES used to be brilliant "back in the day". Back in the days of PES3. Hell i still play that game now. Ever since PES6 came out everything went slightly downhill. Konami would need to pull off something special this year, i still play PES2008 but i prefer FIFA08.

Why?. It's the AI in PES2008 that puts me off, every time i play a game the scores gaurenteed to be at least 7-4. I can even win 6-0 on Top Player, 5mins. There were a few advantages from this version which was OK.


I love PES I really do, but at the moment i feel FIFA has more to offer than PES2008. The new FIFA09 looks good, The new PES? looks pretty much the same really. I just hope they sort out the AI because thats what has let PES2008 down this year.

[Elavius]

agreed and hopefully that is what they have concentrated on this time

[Dragonfly]

I wonder if they'll bring in the sound of photographers snapping away when the ball gets whipped into the box.

[Elavius]

i dunno that seems a little pointless, i play with the tv muted because of the shit commentary and i'm sure i'm not the only one

[PESFan92]

Your not the only one. I like to listen to good ol' music :smug:

[souvlakimike]

Ye I Really Think They Should Get John Motson And Mark Lawrenson!!! As Commentators, Have A Medical Staff. When You Make A Substitution Or , Make Them Warm Up On The Side, Or Even At The Start Of A Match, Pick 3 Players You Might Use As Subs.and They Warm Up Until U Pick Them, The Longer They Warm Up The Less Likely An Injury Will Occur

[Kevthedrummer]

Ye I Really Think They Should Get John Motson And Mark Lawrenson!!! As Commentators, Have A Medical Staff. When You Make A Substitution Or , Make Them Warm Up On The Side, Or Even At The Start Of A Match, Pick 3 Players You Might Use As Subs.and They Warm Up Until U Pick Them, The Longer They Warm Up The Less Likely An Injury Will Occur

I don't see how anything you've mentioned will improve the game in my opinion. I wouldn't say anything there is that necessary.

[Dragonfly]

Sort of on the subject of subs warming up, I've always thought it would be cool if you could see the sub waiting on the touchline with the 4th official. Obviously, this would only happen if you pause to make substitutions mid-gameplay; if you pause and change players when the ball is out of play, you won't see this - the substitutions will occur as normal. Or, maybe, the substitution won't happen until the ball goes out again, especially if the throw in or set-piece is taken quickly.

Of course, this won't effect the gameplay, but it would be a nice addition.

[souvlakimike]

I don't see how anything you've mentioned will improve the game in my opinion. I wouldn't say anything there is that necessary.

You say this is not necessary, well when PES becomes the best ever , people will look at the little details and see that PES gets all the details.
Anyway, first it will be that the gameplay is crap, then we will say this is crap etc until one day we will pick these little details out and say " where is the 4th official?, why isnt he warming up?, why is the grass so smudged?"

I just think that by finishing the little details will be a big step closer towards a perfect game; there will never be a perfect game, always room for improvement

remember the saying "its the little things that make a big difference

[Kevthedrummer]

but to me, I skip everything, because I want to play the game... I don't want to watch the subs warming up as it wreck the flow of your play (maybe if you paused the game for whatever reason). I see where you're coming from, but that kind of thing is a cool detail, but for 2009 they will have very different priorities

[Alij777]

One improvement i would like is making penalties more exciting. How about selecting how each player will shoot before the penalties start. Even adding options to blast it or chip it in. Even approaching options (C.Ronaldo). Same for goalies. Have multiple diving options. Like aggressive right, semi-aggressive right, or weak right. Fake right- go left. Or you could choose random for everything and watch it. This would entail adding multiple goalie animations to deal with multiple outcomes to make it as realistic as possible.

After all is seleted you watch it like a real penalty shootout on TV at a slight angle. You have control of cheering/celebrations maybe and crowd noice after goals or blocks.

Even have a player ability that has to do with the pressure of taking a penalty kick. This ability would affect accuracy when being down on penalties or when the opposing team makes a great save.

You could switch this option off and playout the same old penalties if you wanted. I know this would be alot of work but it's an idea :P.

[Kevthedrummer]

One improvement i would like is making penalties more exciting. How about selecting how each player will shoot before the penalties start. Even adding options to blast it or chip it in. Even approaching options (C.Ronaldo). Same for goalies. Have multiple diving options. Like aggressive right, semi-aggressive right, or weak right. Fake right- go left. Or you could choose random for everything and watch it. This would entail adding multiple goalie animations to deal with multiple outcomes to make it as realistic as possible.

After all is seleted you watch it like a real penalty shootout on TV at a slight angle. You have control of cheering/celebrations maybe and crowd noice after goals or blocks.

Even have a player ability that has to do with the pressure of taking a penalty kick. This ability would affect accuracy when being down on penalties or when the opposing team makes a great save.

You could switch this option off and playout the same old penalties if you wanted. I know this would be alot of work but it's an idea :P.

This is a really good idea, but in a multilayer game, does this mean your opponent would have to leave the room whilst you picked?

[Alij777]

This is a really good idea, but in a multilayer game, does this mean your opponent would have to leave the room whilst you picked?


For PS lets say:
In multiplayer you could prevent cheating by having the same pre-penalty player screen. You scroll down to first shooter and press x opening "direction of shot" option. All possible shooting directions appear linked to a,b,x,y and even L1-a,b,x,y, L2-a,b,x,y, R1-etc and R2-etc for a possible 4X5 = 20 directions .When you select it it just disaperes and brings up next options like shot power options again linked to buttons. Then approach options.
Same for goalie. You select dive options for each shooter and you can even select random if you get annoyed after the first 5. You can have it all defaulted to random if you want hit start and enjoy the show :).

[S-D-P]

1. Gameplay

The gameplay has to be improved. this years is far to arcadey for someone who has played pes since the first release and it is like a different game. The game is not as challenging or rewarding as say the ps2 version or fifa 08 with pass assistance turned off. The game needs to go somewhat back to its roots where clever play and perfectly timed shots were the name of the game. 90 percent of the time a long shot will fly into the corner and this has to be stopped. it seems the players stance and other factors dont seem to matter anymore. The game is also badly scripted and this is something again that has to be looked at, if you scrutinise games and the league table anybody can see this.

2. Edit Mode

I dont think that it is crucial to overhaul the edit mode but certain things need to be added that in tandem with improved gameplay will make the shelf life improve to the usual standards of playing pes until the netx release. Simple factors such as being able to untuck shirts will give the game even more realism.

There are many other factors that are harder to put into a list such as the inclusion of german teams and this will also be helped by an improved edit mode. Player models also need to be improved as some models look like bad ps2 carnations taken out of a game as bad as club football, Im not talking about the faces here as most of them are photo realistic. Sounds quite sad but the shape of the netting also needs to be changed as that looks extremely unrealistic. Im sre i have forgotten certain points but there are too many.

[Kevthedrummer]

For PS lets say:
In multiplayer you could prevent cheating by having the same pre-penalty player screen. You scroll down to first shooter and press x opening "direction of shot" option. All possible shooting directions appear linked to a,b,x,y and even L1-a,b,x,y, L2-a,b,x,y, R1-etc and R2-etc for a possible 4X5 = 20 directions .When you select it it just disaperes and brings up next options like shot power options again linked to buttons. Then approach options.
Same for goalie. You select dive options for each shooter and you can even select random if you get annoyed after the first 5. You can have it all defaulted to random if you want hit start and enjoy the show :).

yeah I see what you mean. I would prefer that to what we have now for sure. It'd make penalties almost worth doing. Almost :)

[Alij777]

yeah I see what you mean. I would prefer that to what we have now for sure. It'd make penalties almost worth doing. Almost :)

Yeah i mean penalties will always be a guessing game. If it came down to playing with buddies ,in a tournament lets say, I would just agree to select random for everything and watch away for fun.
Why have control of something that's really more fun (sorta) to watch :P. You could have control of camera angles while they line up to shoot. Just select your lineup and enjoy the show. May the best man win.

[Luis_Garcia]

3 things:

1: When you pause during a game, let something be happening in the little box with the manager in. Seems kinda pointless at the moment. So towards the end of the game, trailing by a goal. Have your manager frantically barking orders. And when you make a change of player, when you pause the game see him warming up or something

2: Better grass, it just simply looks horrible and unrealistic at the moment.

3: Smoother graphics, Merge between fifa and pro would be brilliant. But not much change to the gameplay except more possible movements

[muzza798]

Remember in an older pes when you could control the fan noise. or was that Fifa?

[souvlakimike]

i just really hope Konami dont flop this year coz if they do they will lose a lot of fans

[4_3_3]

1. lots more and different sized stadiums - not every stadium has to be 65,000 capacity
2. realistic and adjustable budgets for every club in master league
3. master league replaced with real leagues, including lower leagues of all major european countries: england, germany, france, scotland, italy, spain, portugal, holland, belgium, denmark, sweden, norway etc. infinite number of seasons as before, propper sized champions league, uefa cup etc.
4. south american expansion pack: same as with europe but with south american teams and leagues
5. peter brackley and david pleat commentary
6. pes 5/6 edit mode - pes 2008 edit mode is just dog dirt
7. shirt sponsors in game to choose from, they already are on the adboards, sure it wud be easy to get mansion, toyota, and a load of others.
8. computer AI to be more passing, less dribbling, more realistic AI defenders, less superhuman, better positioning and movement for all players
9. all kits fully editable
10. realistic injuries, injury lengths, fatigue etc for master league

what do you guys think?

[souvlakimike]

well one thing you have caught my eye on and i stronglyy appeal for is more realistic fatigue and stamina bars, look at these big clubs in real life, they practicly use the same team ever match, eg: Manchester United, Arsenal etc.
there may be 1 person that may need to be changed but if you notice, the guy runs (in pes) and his stamina just stays where he left it like he doesnt recover
thats not realistic is it now?

[4_3_3]

they should also make referees fairer, but most of all the master league needs expanding to have propper leagues, i think the ML as it is now is a bit dated tbh, i mean they dont have to have real names for all teams, just have it like This is Football seires used to do.

Basically what we all want if we're honest is pes gameplay in a fifa game lol. if that ever happened i dont think id ever go out again

[2-Face]

Don't care much about the license. I would like to see a online option where you can buy/sell players. For instance if i have trained a self-made player I can sell to anyone around the world, but they have to make it difficult to gain experience. Also when you are not playing allot, or get injury's experiences go down.

Creating your own team and training them everyday. Like a real coach and use that same team to play against others on internet. Cause lot;s of people tend to play allot aka addicts. They should get more advantage because of their time and effort they put into the game

[souvlakimike]

ye that would be great!
nice idea, thatll be really good

[guano90]

im new, but ive been playing PES since it was known as ISS on PS1. and over the years d graphics hav improved but wat has happened to the addidas and puma boots that used to b in d game???... playing with those no name boots takes away from d realness of the game...

cud some one tell me wats goin on wit dat???

[ads]

im new, but ive been playing PES since it was known as ISS on PS1. and over the years d graphics hav improved but wat has happened to the addidas and puma boots that used to b in d game???... playing with those no name boots takes away from d realness of the game...

cud some one tell me wats goin on wit dat???

You DO get Adidas boots in PES 2008.

[souvlakimike]

ye like the predators, f50 etc
the no name ones your talking about have a unusual printed name on the tongue of the boot and says "winning"
whether its refering to winning eleven i have no idea

[shankly is god]

1. lots more and different sized stadiums - not every stadium has to be 65,000 capacity
2. realistic and adjustable budgets for every club in master league
3. master league replaced with real leagues, including lower leagues of all major european countries: england, germany, france, scotland, italy, spain, portugal, holland, belgium, denmark, sweden, norway etc. infinite number of seasons as before, propper sized champions league, uefa cup etc.
4. south american expansion pack: same as with europe but with south american teams and leagues
5. peter brackley and david pleat commentary
6. pes 5/6 edit mode - pes 2008 edit mode is just dog dirt
7. shirt sponsors in game to choose from, they already are on the adboards, sure it wud be easy to get mansion, toyota, and a load of others.
8. computer AI to be more passing, less dribbling, more realistic AI defenders, less superhuman, better positioning and movement for all players
9. all kits fully editable
10. realistic injuries, injury lengths, fatigue etc for master league

what do you guys think?


1 or 2 of your points i agree with but some are just wrong lol get rid of master league?? you mad thats what made pro awesome.....i would like to see the CL chaps dooing the commo..... the shirts would be hard cus they would cost money...

[americano]

hello from portugal.

1.) ever start a game and noticed that by mistake you selected kits more or less the same colour as your opponent? this happened to me, and if it were possible to change kits while you prep your formations, tc., would be apreciated.

2.) how come when there's a big lob to the keepers area, the forward never has a chance to challenge the keeper by heading the ball. in other words, the keeper always jumps and always catches the ball.

i'l try to think of more.

cheers

[papa]

hello from portugal.

1.) ever start a game and noticed that by mistake you selected kits more or less the same colour as your opponent? this happened to me, and if it were possible to change kits while you prep your formations, tc., would be apreciated.

2.) how come when there's a big lob to the keepers area, the forward never has a chance to challenge the keeper by heading the ball. in other words, the keeper always jumps and always catches the ball.

i'l try to think of more.

cheers

This is realistic. Imagine a goalkeeper and a striker who are exactly the same height challenging for a ball. The goalkeeper should win every time because he has the added length of his arms. The striker must wait for the ball to drop to head height.

[souvlakimike]

ye but the strikers never get a good ball, its impossible to score a through ball goal coz the defender always some how gets the ball, no matter wat

[Hunter]

ye but the strikers never get a good ball, its impossible to score a through ball goal coz the defender always some how gets the ball, no matter wat

Never noticed this myself, just the fact when defending you have almost no chance at all of breaking up a computers attack. Especially when every AI player can dribble like Maradona.

[taimo1]

1.take license of boots and teams
2.put many leauges and put L.A galaxy and alahly and egypt national team it wins the african cup 5 times they are kings of africa
3. improve and easier editmode that make us edit everything even nationalty and emblems and beard on default faces
3.improve stats for all players
4.put many motions like shooting and penalties and goal performance ex CR7 stand when he shoot a free kick
5.put many moves like fifa and make it on edit mode that u can put it for any player
6.put all players faces and boots
7.improved story mode with long years and more realistics and put manager mode
8.take license of all cups
9.improve online with out glitches
10.make training challenges so diffcult and need improve camera

thats all
and we must know that konami can do this this is PS3 game nt nintendo 64

[Hunter]

They can't really do some of those improvements though, simply because they're not possible, no matter what platform they're on. EA own the rights to most licenses, so I wouldn't expect to see any top leagues like the Premier League licensed on PES for many years. Another reason most cups won't be licensed for a very long time.

I don't think Konami want to become FIFA either so will avoid implementing 100 tricks or whatever, they'll probably only include about 6 or 7 brand new tricks, which I think is a positive thing.

For the Master League mode, it's already "long years" I believe, I think it's never ending in fact. However making it a "Manager Mode" could be a mistake too, they should maybe involve more tactics and detail into what you're doing with your team etc. However with FIFA's version, don't you have to do ticket prices and all that shit, something a Manager never does ?

PS: You can change the camera angle to whatever you like really when you press Start.

[borsi]

Remember how the intro CG in the previous PES series be like? I was wondering when can we get that kind of graphic quality and gameplay? The pace looks perfect, with the lifelike animation.

Heres the link to the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqxCiraAWMw&feature=related

would be great if Konami can pull off such thing.

[DM86]

Remember how the intro CG in the previous PES series be like? I was wondering when can we get that kind of graphic quality and gameplay? The pace looks perfect, with the lifelike animation.

Heres the link to the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqxCiraAWMw&feature=related

would be great if Konami can pull off such thing.



Yea that intro scene was the bollox. Probably the best PES has constructed. would be great if that was the actual gameplay. I don't see why it can't now to be honest, with the upgrade to next Gen and all.

The shot from 30-35 yards that flies into the top corner is awesome. gave me goose bumps just watching it. Would be great if Konami could provide us with a game that allowed us to score goals that looked like that. Licenses or no licences I'd be well chuffed.

[borsi]

Yea that intro scene was the bollox. Probably the best PES has constructed. would be great if that was the actual gameplay. I don't see why it can't now to be honest, with the upgrade to next Gen and all.

The shot from 30-35 yards that flies into the top corner is awesome. gave me goose bumps just watching it. Would be great if Konami could provide us with a game that allowed us to score goals that looked like that. Licenses or no licences I'd be well chuffed.

Agreed. I dont care bout the licenses if they can do the exact thing as in the CG. The supporters itself gave me goosebumps. I hope they can include Euphoria engine in PES2009 and fix the pace. I miss the dribbling animation in PES6, pes2008 dribbling animation when running seems like a cat stepping on water, just toe to the ground.

[DM86]

Agreed. I dont care bout the licenses if they can do the exact thing as in the CG. The supporters itself gave me goosebumps. I hope they can include Euphoria engine in PES2009 and fix the pace. I miss the dribbling animation in PES6, pes2008 dribbling animation when running seems like a cat stepping on water, just toe to the ground.


Yea, The atmosphere on the stands was defernately buzzing. The fans in PES2008 look like fuzzy cardboard cut-outs. Well apart from the cut scenes of the fans at half time etc. But during gameplay there a joke.

I take in what Seabass was saying in regards to the timescale they had and converting the game to next gen was the main focus. But I don't think he has got the comfort of that type of excuse this year. End of the day, I will stick with PES cos I am a hardcore fan, but most of the people moaning on these forums seem to have turned there back cos of 1 dodgey game. What people seem to be forgettin is there were at least 5-6 games prior to PES2008 that were the bollox. Must be difficult to live up to expectations when you have neared perfection.

I still enjoyed playin this years game up until the last couple of months. But thats possibly cos the new game has taken my attention some what. I just can't wait to hear more news. I don't think I can take 3-4 more months of this.

[borsi]

Yea, The atmosphere on the stands was defernately buzzing. The fans in PES2008 look like fuzzy cardboard cut-outs. Well apart from the cut scenes of the fans at half time etc. But during gameplay there a joke.

I take in what Seabass was saying in regards to the timescale they had and converting the game to next gen was the main focus. But I don't think he has got the comfort of that type of excuse this year. End of the day, I will stick with PES cos I am a hardcore fan, but most of the people moaning on these forums seem to have turned there back cos of 1 dodgey game. What people seem to be forgettin is there were at least 5-6 games prior to PES2008 that were the bollox. Must be difficult to live up to expectations when you have neared perfection.

I still enjoyed playin this years game up until the last couple of months. But thats possibly cos the new game has taken my attention some what. I just can't wait to hear more news. I don't think I can take 3-4 more months of this.

PES2008 was okay in my opinion, though dissappointment in terms of content. I guess I'll stick with PES too bcoz everytime I look at FIFA, eventhough many said they improved, it always feel that the ball and the players are not independent, it always feel predetermined. Ball physics too strange, movement of players doesnt stick to ground. Just doesnt cut it.

[souvlakimike]

i will never leave PES,
totally agree with DM86, all these people are leaving PES because of 1 game that turned out lower than the previous 1.
And i have taken into consideration that SEABASS had very little time to get used to the Next gen but i guess he will have mastered this by now

[Kevthedrummer]

i will never leave PES,
totally agree with DM86, all these people are leaving PES because of 1 game that turned out lower than the previous 1.
And i have taken into consideration that SEABASS had very little time to get used to the Next gen but i guess he will have mastered this by now

maybe not mastered, but certainly coming to terms with

[Whoa09]

I Agree...The PS3 has a lot of potential and konami is not taking that into consideration! Couldn't agree more. 10 things are not nearly enough to sort out Konami's PES. At the very least, there should be 20 things.

In short, Konami NEEDS to; completely change the crappy gameplay of PES 2008, graphics can be far better (although they are already good), Internet Play must be playable, REPLACE the OLD stats and special skills system - with a better NEXT GEN system of skills, greatly improve the commentary, and a few unimportant things such as licenses, etc, etc..

However, Does Konami haves anything up their sleeve?? By the looks of it - It seems that Konami cannot cope with what the PS3 can offer.

[S-D-P]

If the champions league license has been aquired then the stadiums of these teams will be featured?

[pnyce973]

Something i think they should improve are

-More Stadiums
-I think if they want to make it real the ref can call " HAND BALL". i played PES 2008 many times and i see the ball hittin the players hand and is not a foul.. i think that will make it more Real.
-the ability to move players closer to the other opponent in a throw in.
-BETTER ONLINE PLAY. .. LETS be honest this game is stupid online. so unless they fix the lag online. there is no point for an online tournament. U have no idea how many times people scored and like my screen shows that i got the ball and out of nowhere the other team took it and they scored on me... :(
-More Teams. so we wont need patches or modded gaming systems.


some good ideas but i think it just needs minor things like -

- PES shop return
- scenario mode return
- full edit return
- more players online, so 4 v4
- online leagues
- master league - able to move clubs (like FM), multiplayer (like FM)
- Unl;imited saved goals (save online goals as well)
- career mode (ie. take one player and train and improve and move from club to club), this was in a previous version and was really good fun

[souvlakimike]

Ye good pointers