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Vitumbiko
02-07-2008, 04:05
Okay guys I know I'm wondering into enemy territory but i just couldn't help but to think "can Fifa out do Pes AGAIN?"
Fifa 09
EA Sports Delivers Platform Specific Experience for Fifa Soccer 09 (PC)
http://pc.ign.com/articles/885/885597p1.html
FIFA 09 First Look (360)
http://pc.ign.com/articles/885/885622p1.html
I really hope konami works out the AI and the game speed problems found in 2008. Fifa 2009 so far looks like fifa 08 (graphic) but you'll have to wait to fully decide.
Okay guys I know I'm wondering into enemy territory but i just couldn't help but to think "can Fifa out do Pes AGAIN?"
Fifa 09
EA Sports Delivers Platform Specific Experience for Fifa Soccer 09 (PC)
http://pc.ign.com/articles/885/885597p1.html
FIFA 09 First Look (360)
http://pc.ign.com/articles/885/885622p1.html
Well unfortunately, this might be the case for 2009 because I've seen video clips of FIFA09's gameplay, and it looks like a really decent game this time around. David Rutter (the producer of FIFA09) even said that they have added New Player Attributes along with the noticeable improved responsiveness.
Also, players in FIFA no longer look like they are skating through the pitch -this- coupled with the improved responsiveness makes it a potential alternative to PES6.
I hope seabass haves something up his sleeve because FIFA09 looks like bad news for Konami.
proevofan88
02-07-2008, 09:35
Idk what this thread meant by AGAIN?.. people give FIFA 08 props for ADDING NEW FEATURES and b/c EA says they are TRYING HARD. well i mean i can promise you that no person that plays FIFA08 and PES 2008 ten matches in each game will say that PES 2008 had much more exciting gameplay and moments. HOWEVER.....FIFA 09 looks like it can actually be fun in its own way IF THINGS DO GET BETTER! PES 2009 for me is a no brainer.....seabass himself said he saw the criticism and he will have addressed most of the issues ( gameplay wise and modes )
proevofan88
02-07-2008, 09:36
well i mean i can promise you that no person that plays FIFA08 and PES 2008 ten matches in each game will say that PES 2008 well i mean i can promise you that no person that plays FIFA08 and PES 2008 ten matches in each game will say that PES 2008 had much more exciting gameplay and moments
I meant to say "WILL SAY THAT FIFA 09 had much more exciting gameplay and moments.... because it doesnt !
Im not exactly sure after reading the article about the how the gameplay in PC will be, but FIFA 09 PC sounds like PES 08 for Wii, where you select the players and move them around not some FPS game like they said it is, but I dunno, the demo still isnt out yet though. If it is then, is it something that FIFA franchise trying to do? Taking PES features?
El Pocho
02-07-2008, 10:58
dude...fifa 08 sucked...
it was wack...
graphics aint nuffin.....
fifa 09 will do aswell...
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truth be told...
nicely said.. pes rules fifa
FIFA 08 was awful in my honest opinion. I did like PES20008, though the lag and stumbles online are cringe worthy.
Both aren't fantastic though, so I hope one of them is truly motivated now to create something worth playing for months.
Although pes2008 was a bit of a disaster. Fifa is a complete Disaster. Fifa is all about tricks and impossible goals. When you go on a FIFa forum they only talk about how they want the next fifa has to have easy tricks., easier way to score bicycle kicks etc. Fifa has always been a game for fantasy soccer players. The last couple of years they have made good improvements, but still the goals are unrealistic. For example when you are at a 90 degrees angle of a post you can still score. In real life this maybe happens 1 in 10000 times but in FIFA you score all the time.
When the 2 games out then we can tell.
I'm with Barry. Hoping we get one game worth shouting about, the gameplay in Euro 2008 was way better than FIFA 08, and a couple more improvements EA could be onto a total winner with FIFA 09.
But it's all about opinions, I love PES 2008 and apparently i'm one of a few who do love it.
I'll certainly give both games a bash and see what happens.
Vitumbiko
02-07-2008, 16:33
Okay some how Pes was good, but it has some AI problems, but in my opinion I played Fifa and i was hooked on the Online Play, something which Pes needs to work on. And I mean the commenting and Graphics (on 360 and PS3) blew Pes away. And what i've seen from the new Pes it has a chance to blow Fifa away Graphically, but commenting needs some serious work. I mean Pes have two of the best commentators in the world and it sounds like complete nonsense in the game. So in my opinion Fifa won the round, but i truly hope Pes can change.
No wonder Pes got a 6.0 and 7.0 out of 10.0
And Fifa got a 8.5 out of 10.0
ThierryHenry14
02-07-2008, 16:34
Fifa > Pes after last year's outing's and I expect Fifa 09 to be better than Pes2009 this year.
People should stop this nonsense that FIFA is better. Fifa has had some major improvements over the years. But pes2008 is still better. if you like fantasy goals (easy goals) running 100 mtrs doing simple tricks not losing the ball and if you want licensed clubs and names then buy FIFA, but don't come crying if you are not getting the satisfaction. If you want to jerk of on real names and real clubs and Rooney's realistic face then go ahead.
What i have noticed the couple of day' is that a lot of people moan because the gameplay has changed in pes2008. But doesn't the game play change every year? in the first pes you could shoot from far and still strike a goal. in pes 6 it's almost impossible. Some like this some don't. i love to shoot from far. So for me pes 6 was a little bit disappointing. But what if pes2009 will be balanced. So only players with a good kick can score from far. I think we all would be satisfied (just a example out of hundred).
Fifa09 got real names real clubs nice graphics. And to be honest i don't give a @#%@#. As long shooting and the goalies are harder to beat then it's another pes and maybe i'll buy a ps3 again.
i don't think FIFA won last year and i don't think they will win this year because they are too far behind ( gameplay wise and that's what counts for me) and that's saying something because PES 08 with all it's flaws this year still plays better football then FIFA08 .( NOW THAT'S A BIG GAB WHEN UR BEST YEAR STILL CAN'T COMPARE TO OUR WORST YEAR).
it makes me think of when KOBE first came to the NBA alot of people said he would be the next JORDAN or even better. well i am still waiting to see that and that's FIFA they have all the hype and promise and still always come up short.
if you like fantasy goals (easy goals) running 100 mtrs doing simple tricks not losing the ball
That part alone clearly shows you haven't played FIFA 08, and if you did, you did on Amateur. That description is better suited for PES 2008 and its ridiculous scorelines (except for the tricks part. In PES 2008 you just have to run 100 mtrs doing nothing). We're talking next-gen here, of course.
In my opinion, FIFA 09 will be the better game overall, but I'm pretty confident PES 2009 will get back on track gameplay-wise, and if that's the case then it'll play better for sure, and I'm getting it.
Today, the best footy sim is surely PES 6. And I say this after having tried PES 2008 for 4 months, having played FIFA 08 exclusively for 4 months, EURO 2008 for a couple of weeks, then going back to PES 5 for a while and finally returning to PES 6.
FIFA 08 is very deep and more realistic than PES 2008, but animations need refining, and the game kinda falters when it comes, for example, to a quick counter attack. It lacks some punch in quick plays. EURO 2008 was a bit better, so maybe FIFA 09 will correct these issues. If so, I'm getting it for sure.
Hopefully, by November I'll be playing two great football games.
And about the poll, yes, I think fifa *can* outdo PES, only if PES 2009 is as suckass as PES 2008. Which I don't think will be the case.
I have both games. So don't even think I haven't played fifa(i have some nerdy friends who love scoring fantasy goals without trying the effort, i let them have some fun in their lives). The evidence is overwhelming. Just go on youtube allot of fantasy goals there. They should change that. Also if you ignore the fact that with FIFa doing tricks will get you a goal easily then you are lying.
ThierryHenry14
02-07-2008, 19:44
I have both games. So don't even think I haven't played fifa(i have some nerdy friends who love scoring fantasy goals without trying the effort, i let them have some fun in their lives). The evidence is overwhelming. Just go on youtube allot of fantasy goals there. They should change that. Also if you ignore the fact that with FIFa doing tricks will get you a goal easily then you are lying.
You have Fifa 09 and PES2009 already.:shocking:
PESFan92
02-07-2008, 20:21
I think its too early to be doing a poll. But, there's no doubt about it that FIFA is getting there. I mean how many of you's back in the days of "PES3" remember saying
"PES is the best football game" "FIFA will never be as good as PES". Now we have some members saying, who said something similar to the above,
"FIFA is a really good now" "I play FIFA more"
Where PES had its prime, i think FIFA are now doing that now and, to be honest, FIFA will out sell PES this year.
But thats based on the screenshots and previews i've seen.
Just go on youtube allot of fantasy goals there. They should change that.
If we take Youtube as a factor, then search PES 2008 and you'll find 80% of the goals are 30-yard screamers, but that doesn't mean it happens all the time.
Also if you ignore the fact that with FIFa doing tricks will get you a goal easily then you are lying
My style of play is not tricksey at all, but maybe that's because I use to play with lower-echelon teams, and I can tell you tricks didn't do squat for me there. Besides, if you ignore the fact that in PES 2008 just running with a bulky striker will get you a goal easily, then you're the one who's lying.
So if what you say about FIFA is true, then both games have a similar weakness, only that in PES it requires no skill at all.
The thing PES has and FIFA still doesn't is that special spark that makes it feel so lifelike at times. However, for the first time FIFA has gameplay strengths to make up for that: realistic pace, all kinds of manual passes, and oh yeah, it also makes it hard for you to score 5 goals per game, something I hope Konami fixes this year.
If we were talking FIFA 08 vs PES 6, then I'd shut my mouth. But to say PES 2008 is vastly superior makes no sense. Both games have different weak points, but PES 2008 has many more...
PESFan92
02-07-2008, 21:03
If we take Youtube as a factor, then search PES 2008 and you'll find 80% of the goals are 30-yard screamers, but that doesn't mean it happens all the time.
My style of play is not tricksey at all, but maybe that's because I use to play with lower-echelon teams, and I can tell you tricks didn't do squat for me there. Besides, if you ignore the fact that in PES 2008 just running with a bulky striker will get you a goal easily, then you're the one who's lying.
So if what you say about FIFA is true, then both games have a similar weakness, only that in PES it requires no skill at all.
The thing PES has and FIFA still doesn't is that special spark that makes it feel so lifelike at times. However, for the first time FIFA has gameplay strengths to make up for that: realistic pace, all kinds of manual passes, and oh yeah, it also makes it hard for you to score 5 goals per game, something I hope Konami fixes this year.
If we were talking FIFA 08 vs PES 6, then I'd shut my mouth. But to say PES 2008 is vastly superior makes no sense. Both games have different weak points, but PES 2008 has many more...
Well said. From one of the videos ive seen, the gameplay looks much much better. I also hope Konami fix the goalkeepers. But well lets face it, how many of you think Konami can actually do it this year?. For the past 3 years they seem to have been lazy. I will eat my words if PES09 is a brilliant game.
Duggano7
02-07-2008, 23:38
fifa will never out do pes, with there marshon of player, the little chubby bastards.
You have Fifa 09 and PES2009 already.:shocking:
lol....no i have fifa08 and pes2008
PacMan
i am not saying pes is more superior. I just think it's better depending on what you like. Yes i do like screamers and yes in pes2008 it's a easy way to score, So Konami should balance the game more to satisfy us both. Screamers don't happen so often but they also don't take it all out.
i was saying that with FIFA it has been the same year after year only from fifa08 there have been major improvements and I acknowledge this, but there are allot of people here on the forum bashing pes2008 like it is a disaster. FIFA and PES are two totally different games. It just depends on what you like.
When we compare pes6 with pes 2008 i prefer 2008 because I like the pace, it's fast and kinda arcade like. With pes6 scoring was impossible from outside the box, that was one thing i didn't like and the goalies were way to weak 1on1. If they can balance that out I will be a happy man. That's all
Tetsuo0410
03-07-2008, 00:07
i really hate the graphics in fifa, don't know why everyone says they are better then pes's. yeah more players are running around, but graphicly it looks terrible. in replay zoomed in its ok, but from far away, gaming perspective, it just doesnt do the trick. ill stick to pes. and dont let me get started about gameplay
^Agreed. Pes is better in graphics. Fifa's player faces doesn't look that good compared to pes. The ONLY thing in graphics that fifa has better are the stadiums and the overall lighting. Apart from that, pes's graphics are superior.
I'm with Barry. Hoping we get one game worth shouting about, the gameplay in Euro 2008 was way better than FIFA 08, and a couple more improvements EA could be onto a total winner with FIFA 09.
But it's all about opinions, I love PES 2008 and apparently i'm one of a few who do love it.
I'll certainly give both games a bash and see what happens.
I agree, it's all a matter of opinion; People who know what REAL FOOTBALL is will always choose PES over FIFA. On the other hand, casual gamers who do not REALLY understand Football will most likely choose FIFA.
I think FIFA09 looks like a very decent game, it looks like a legitimate alternative to PES6. However, one of FIFA's main flaws is still in the damn game; The Dribbling Controls, the unrealistic Dribbling Tricks that are performed via the Right Analog Stick (R3 button) -the- Dribbling System that makes everything play and feel so arcadish in FIFA.
I mean, for starters -if you're skilled enough- you can dribble just about anyone with proper timing. And to top it off, in order to perform the simplest of tricks -you- have to push and hold the L2 button and THEN use the R3 button (Right Analog Stick). It is just too slow and complicated for the gameplay, you have to basically have it all planned out before doing a SIMPLE Dribbling move -THIS- makes FIFA play more like an RPG game.
Anyways, that is mainly why I will choose PES over FIFA again this year -but- my patience is running short, and I do hope that Seabass and Konami show a little more decency to their customers. I want to see New Player Attributes because New Stats are needed in order to establish FURTHER differences between different players.
[QUOTE=2-Face;1282182]lol....no i have fifa08 and pes2008
PacMan
i am not saying pes is more superior. I just think it's better depending on what you like. Yes i do like screamers and yes in pes2008 it's a easy way to score, So Konami should balance the game more to satisfy us both. Screamers don't happen so often but they also don't take it all out.
i was saying that with FIFA it has been the same year after year only from fifa08 there have been major improvements and I acknowledge this, but there are allot of people here on the forum bashing pes2008 like it is a disaster. FIFA and PES are two totally different games. It just depends on what you like.
When we compare pes6 with pes 2008 i prefer 2008 because I like the pace, it's fast and kinda arcade like. With pes6 scoring was impossible from outside the box, that was one thing i didn't like and the goalies were way to weak 1on1. If they can balance that out I will be a happy man. That's all[/QUOTE
Dude, it's all about the skill.. I used to score Long Range Goals ALL THE TIME.]
lol....no i have fifa08 and pes2008
PacMan
i am not saying pes is more superior. I just think it's better depending on what you like. Yes i do like screamers and yes in pes2008 it's a easy way to score, So Konami should balance the game more to satisfy us both. Screamers don't happen so often but they also don't take it all out.
i was saying that with FIFA it has been the same year after year only from fifa08 there have been major improvements and I acknowledge this, but there are allot of people here on the forum bashing pes2008 like it is a disaster. FIFA and PES are two totally different games. It just depends on what you like.
When we compare pes6 with pes 2008 i prefer 2008 because I like the pace, it's fast and kinda arcade like. With pes6 scoring was impossible from outside the box, that was one thing i didn't like and the goalies were way to weak 1on1. If they can balance that out I will be a happy man. That's all
Dude, it's all about the skill.. I used to score Long Range Goals in PES6 all the time.
^Agreed. Pes is better in graphics. Fifa's player faces doesn't look that good compared to pes. The ONLY thing in graphics that fifa has better are the stadiums and the overall lighting. Apart from that, pes's graphics are superior.
I also agree. Many people prefer FIFA's graphics, tagging them as "Superior" -but- I have copy-pasted the pictures, I have done side-by-side comparisons and I just prefer PES's Graphics.. the faces look better, and the grass also looks better.
And again, I don't see much difference between the graphics now. Back in the PS2 there was an obvious difference -but- now Both games have good graphics, a little disappointing for a PS3 game, but they are decent graphics nevertheless. The ONLY difference now is in the GAMEPLAY.
Dude, it's all about the skill.. I used to score Long Range Goals in PES6 all the time.
I have scored them too, but what I was saying is when it's easier there might be people who will like the game better. Some people just don't like the hardness of pes that's why they go to fifa.
but thats why pes is better than fifa, it has more of a challenge as its a harder game.. when i get a new pes game i always get whipped by the comp but when i play a fifa game for the first time i win easily. if they make pes easier for the masses then they will lose some of the real hardcore pes fans and that would be a shame
Vitumbiko
03-07-2008, 14:36
more on fifa doesn't sound too good for pro evo
http://www.gamingaccess.com/index.php?news_id=13173
We had a chance to see FIFA 09 for the first time at EA's Season Opener event a few weeks ago. Although some of the most exciting features are still under wraps until E3, we did have a chance to check out the gameplay improvements made to this year's game.
Many of the gameplay improvements that debuted in UEFA 08, EA's other soccer game (released earlier this year), have found their way into FIFA 09. These changes include the implementation of weather, interactive celebrations, adaptive team AI, and dynamic crowd reactions. Although some of the changes merely add a visual flair to the soccer experience, others such as rain games will have an impact on gameplay and strategy. Long passes will become more difficult to complete because the ball may get muddled in wet patches scattered across the pitch. Player movement will also be affected because ballhandlers will be unable to make quick cuts, and less-agile players may slip in the wet terrain
Improved controls and branching dribble animations should make players like Ronaldinho even more dangerous.
However, of all of the changes carried over from UEFA, adaptive team AI may have the greatest impact. Given the great contrast in team skill levels in UEFA, EA implemented an adaptive AI that used realistic team strategies based on the team's opponent. For instance, a team with less talent may choose to play a defensive game against a more-skilled opponent by dropping 9 or 10 defenders back to defend their goal. The end result is that games with uneven opponents will still offer a challenging experience. This feature will undoubtedly impact FIFA 09 as well. Popular club teams such as Barcelona will find it more difficult to score against less-heralded opponents. In addition, it is EA's hope that this will encourage gamers to try out other teams.
Another issue that EA's FIFA development team knew was unhappy with in previous iterations was the herky-jerky transition between dribbling animations, especially when the player made drastic directional changes. The root cause of this was the absence of branching animation mechanics (a feature that is becoming popular in other EA Sports games). Previously, one animation had to play to completion before the next one could start
However, in FIFA 09, directional changes during a dribbling animation will dynamically branch to other variations. This will have implications on both the offensive and defensive sides of the ball. More responsive controls will give the ballhandler more options. On the other hand, the fluid motion of animations should make it easier for defenders to anticipate ballhandler movement and adapt in kind.
Another issue that EA's FIFA development team knew was unhappy with in previous iterations was the herky-jerky transition between dribbling animations, especially when the player made drastic directional changes. The root cause of this was the absence of branching animation mechanics (a feature that is becoming popular in other EA Sports games). Previously, one animation had to play to completion before the next one could start. However, in FIFA 09, directional changes during a dribbling animation will dynamically branch to other variations. This will have implications on both the offensive and defensive sides of the ball. More responsive controls will give the ballhandler more options. On the other hand, the fluid motion of animations should make it easier for defenders to anticipate ballhandler movement and adapt in kind.
Branching animations are just one aspect of how FIFA 09 has improved on player-to-player interaction. EA developers have overhauled player physics in this year's game to provide more-realistic player motion, especially when colliding with other bodies. We saw this trend first in UEFA 08 with the new free-motion header system, which let players jostle for position while the ball was in the air. This idea has expanded in FIFA 09, factoring in player speed and weight. Larger players will now be able to dominate collisions and use their weight to leverage better position on headers or fights for possession. Although player jostling during a dribble was seen in UEFA, application of weight now adds another element of strategy to the gameplay. For instance, larger defenders need not risk a slide tackle when they would control the jostle.
Speed of the player will now dictate length of slides and collision momentum. This is an important addition because penalties on slides have been toned down from years past (though obviously slide tackles from behind will still elicit a call). Sliding for the ball is now a viable defensive strategy, but the effectiveness of the slide will depend on the defender's speed. To balance this on the offensive end, players will no longer enter into a canned falling animation when taking a slide. Instead, if the leg being swept is not the plant foot, the offensive player will simply stumble momentarily while remaining on his feet.
Another feature seen earlier this year in UEFA is the evolution of FIFA 09's Custom Team Tactics. The feature will let you augment 11 tactical sliders across 140 attacking and 40 defending options. By doing so, you will be able to specify to your CPU teammates exactly what actions to perform in various situations. For instance, on the defensive end, you could direct your teammates as to when and in which positions to bring a help defender to pressure the ball. Custom Team Tactics will probably have the greatest impact online, where potentially each opponent will have teams catered to his or her style of play.
With over 50,000 combinations in Custom Team Tactics, you will have greater control of your teammates than ever before.
Finally, EA has also ramped up one of the most anticipated features from last year's game: Be a Pro. As in FIFA 08, this feature will let you take control of a single player (in player-lock) and master his positional responsibilities. As a striker, this may involve scoring goals, whereas as a defender it may simply involve winning back possession for your team. FIFA 09 carries this game mode further by letting you play a four-season campaign in your attempt to become a national legend.
FIFA 09's focus on improving gameplay should make an already solid series that much stronger. Realistic player physics and branching animations have received positive responses in other EA games and will now add a new element to FIFA's gameplay. Similarly, initiatives to improve team customization will allow gamers and their CPU-controlled teammates to play with greater synergy, limiting AI handicaps. We will bring you more news on FIFA 09 once we learn more at E3 in a few weeks.
Vitumbiko
03-07-2008, 14:42
yet more on fifa
FIFA 09 for PC is next generation!!! The king PES has competition
http://www.gamingaccess.com/index.php?news_id=13182
Electronic Arts Itoday revealed it has created platform specific experiences for its popular FIFA 09 football franchise from EA SPORTS. FIFA 09 has been designed and customized to deliver a unique gameplay experience that takes advantage of the hardware specifications of each available platform— the PLAYSTATION 3 computer entertainment system, Xbox 360 video game and entertainment system, Wii home video game system, PC, PlayStation 2 computer entertainment system, Nintendo DS, PSP (PlayStation®Portable) system and mobile—when it is released worldwide this autumn.
“We have listened and responded to gamers and football fans around the world by building customized gameplay experiences for FIFA 09 on each platform,” said Andrew Wilson, Vice President & Executive Producer for the franchise. “Everyone wants to play a football game that is customized to their system and delivers a unique and enjoyable experience. We understand that and have innovated features, created new modes and designed controls that are tailored to each specific platform.”
With over 250 additions and enhancements to core gameplay, FIFA 09 on the PLAYSTATION 3 system and Xbox 360 deliver an authentic football simulation that enables you to customize the game to suit your style and ability. New animation technology creates more responsive first-time shooting and passing, faster and more controlled dribbling, and improved trapping. New player momentum physics, which exploits the power of these platform engines, delivers realistic player collisions, authentic jostling for the ball, and more variation in tackling.
“We listened to our consumers to make the changes that they wanted,” said David Rutter, Producer of FIFA 09 on the PLAYSTATION 3 system and Xbox 360. “No other game has over 250 feature changes and additions focused on improving core gameplay. We have an absolutely authentic recreation of the real sport through attention to detail.”
For the first time, go inside the game engine to customize the strategy and positioning of your teammates to decide exactly how your team will play in any situation. With new Custom Team Tactics you have all the tools to become a first-team coach. Adjust and customize tactical settings so CPU players and your team perform just like the real-world team plays and make strategic decisions to exploit your opponent’s weaknesses, all on-the-fly. The popular feature innovation Be A Pro has expanded to a career mode called Be A Pro: Seasons where you can choose or create a professional player and then develop his skills at a single outfield position over four years with the ultimate goal of becoming a national legend. The matchday experience is now true-to-life with a referee and linesmen on the pitch. Plus, crowds, stadium atmosphere and commentary have all been regionalized in exact detail.
On the Wii, enjoy FIFA 09 All-Play one of two ways—a Wii-specific take on the authentic ‘11 vs. 11’ simulation or over-the-top ‘8 vs. 8’ arcade action within a stylized environment with Mii™ versions of your favorite superstars, like Ronaldinho and Wayne Rooney. Refined motion and point-and-play controls make playing FIFA 09 All-Play even more intuitive and perfectly balanced for gamers of any ability to enjoy fun, football action. Choose to play the style that best suits your skills from advanced controls for experienced players to new EA SPORTS™ All-Play controls that enables novice players to focus on fun using simplified controls with AI assistance.
“You’ve never played football like this before,” said Kaz Makita, Line Producer of FIFA 09 All-Play. “Our new ‘8 vs. 8’ Footii Match enables you to play an exaggerated style of football where the personality of your Mii comes to life. You can play with your Mii characters against or alongside some of the biggest stars in a truly unique football experience tailored specifically for the Wii version of FIFA 09.”
FIFA 09 on PC now features leading-edge visuals that deliver graphics that exploit the power of hi-spec gaming PCs, as requested by PC gamers. Star players are featured in photorealistic quality with remodeled likenesses for ultra-realistic gameplay. FIFA 09 on PC also features customizable mouse gameplay controls that deliver deeper, more intuitive command over your squad. Plus, customizable widgets are now integrated into the menu system to connect you to the FIFA community and real-world football so you stay connected while playing FIFA 09.
“We are committed to investing and innovating to create a PC specific experience,” said Producer Paul Hossack. “Gamers want a gameplay experience exclusively for PC and FIFA 09 on PC delivers this.”
With 500 new animation sequences and all-new collision and shielding systems—representing the biggest innovations to the multiplatform EA SPORTS football engine in four years— FIFA 09 delivers more responsive, intelligent and realistic physical action on the PlayStation 2 system. The new collision detection system with 360 degree coverage enables players to behave according to their physical attributes where player speed, direction and strength determine everything from the severity of the collision to the outcome of possession. Changes to the animation system reward the skillful gamer during one-on-one situations between attackers and defenders. Tuned acceleration attributes enable swifter virtual players to possess quicker first steps and gain advantage in sprints. Plus, four new skill moves—scoop turns, rainbow flicks, heel-to-heel knocks and ball rolls—give you a total of 32 tricks in your arsenal to perform just like Ronaldinho.
FIFA 09 on the PSP system and Nintendo DS now include the innovative Be A Pro feature, including the unique Be A Pro camera that re-creates the rush and excitement of racing in on goal, designed exclusively for each system.
Additional major feature innovations for PLAYSTATION 3, Xbox 360 and PC will be revealed later this month and announced at the Leipzig Games Convention in August.
BlueScouse
03-07-2008, 18:48
I have both games. So don't even think I haven't played fifa(i have some nerdy friends who love scoring fantasy goals without trying the effort, i let them have some fun in their lives). The evidence is overwhelming. Just go on youtube allot of fantasy goals there. They should change that. Also if you ignore the fact that with FIFa doing tricks will get you a goal easily then you are lying.
Don't be such a tit mate Look at this video, hell the first goal in it is ridiculous! Then on 4.46 Toure scores a goal from 35-40 yards, top corner, no backlift with the ball at his feet and it flies into the top corner!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NkEvR7dpVbM
Since i've played FIFA i've not scored one like that at all. PES this year was full of shit keepers, stupid scorelines and defenders scoring goals from light years away. Worst PES ever and i've been a fan since i was a kid back in the ISS days ffs.
zeemeister
03-07-2008, 19:59
@vitumbiko. Fifa releasing a good game is not necessarily a bad thing. Konami need the kick in the ass.
@vitumbiko. Fifa releasing a good game is not necessarily a bad thing. Konami need the kick in the ass.
Yeah, this is actually a win-win situation for -us- the customers. Konami was too laid back before -and- you can notice that because you can play PES6 and go all the way to PES4 and still feel right at home.
PES5 was a tweaked version of PES4 -and- PES6 was a re-tweaked version of PES4. It is a FACT that most PES fans would be more than happy with a version of PES6 with Next Gen Graphics -but- I just think that after 4 years of the same $hit, it is about time Konami takes it further than PES4.
Better competition from FIFA can only help in that respect.
Don't be such a tit mate Look at this video, hell the first goal in it is ridiculous! Then on 4.46 Toure scores a goal from 35-40 yards, top corner, no backlift with the ball at his feet and it flies into the top corner!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NkEvR7dpVbM
Since i've played FIFA i've not scored one like that at all. PES this year was full of shit keepers, stupid scorelines and defenders scoring goals from light years away. Worst PES ever and i've been a fan since i was a kid back in the ISS days ffs.
I think you all misunderstood what i was saying. i am just saying stop bashing pes2008. it's not that of a disaster. FIFA has some failures and PES got some. But if i can have a opnion i would say FIFA still sucks comapred to PEs. Those who have played PES for years and now suddenly say they will go with FIFA are liars. BEcause FIFA is a totally different game. But FIFA 09 looks nice, but doesn't mean it plays nice. well see
^Agreed. Pes 2008 is still the best football game but I hope they fix certain issues like pace controls the match because it's irritating.
PES5 was a tweaked version of PES4
Completely disagree. PES 2008 is more of a tweaked version of PES4 in my opinion.
PES5 was more like an improved PES3 (slower, more subtle, good player dynamics). PES4 was all about speed, likewise PES 2008.
You do have a very good point though on this being a win win situation. Konami have had a kick up the arse. I will quite happily buy FIFA '09 if they stuff up the latest PES. Seabass has been riding his luck since PES6, which took well over a year to iron out online problems. Bring them both on. That's what I say.
PS. Can anyone help me design my own football game? I have the ideas. Just need someone to program it. My idea is very simple. It's all to do with momentum/acceleration. Something both PES and FIFA have never really addressed!
Vitumbiko
04-07-2008, 16:05
@vitumbiko. Fifa releasing a good game is not necessarily a bad thing. Konami need the kick in the ass.
yea true
Completely disagree. PES 2008 is more of a tweaked version of PES4 in my opinion.
PES5 was more like an improved PES3 (slower, more subtle, good player dynamics). PES4 was all about speed, likewise PES 2008.
You do have a very good point though on this being a win win situation. Konami have had a kick up the arse. I will quite happily buy FIFA '09 if they stuff up the latest PES. Seabass has been riding his luck since PES6, which took well over a year to iron out online problems. Bring them both on. That's what I say.
PS. Can anyone help me design my own football game? I have the ideas. Just need someone to program it. My idea is very simple. It's all to do with momentum/acceleration. Something both PES and FIFA have never really addressed!
I don't know.. I think PES4 is pretty much the same game as PES6, I had them both and I never noticed a clear difference between them. They had the same exact Graphics, with the same exact system of "Stats and Special Abilites" -with- the same controls. I think PES6 was a tweaked versions of PES4 -and- I think PES4, PES5, and PES6 are more or less the same game with some slight tweaks.
Actually, I think PES5 was slightly more enjoyable than PES6 -but- still they where basically the same games with updated kits.
And as for PES08, it is plain BAD -PES6- was much better. Only thing positive about PES08 is the graphics, and that Konami covered the BASICS -so- now I suppose Konami sorted out some of the issues (flaws); the exaggerated importance of PACE, the Robotic Movements, the Lack of Player Attributes, etc, etc, etc.. the list of flaws is endless.
Anyways, you want to design your own Football game??
Pes 5 AI was the best. It had the right balance between defending and attacking. Pes 2008 was good also especially the graphics on HD. The only thing pes 2008 has that are really bad are the game speed and the fact that pace controls the match. In pes 5 it was not the case.
rockya13
06-07-2008, 12:31
i had fifa 08 this year but instead of fifa 09 im gonna buy pes2009
MatTheCat
07-07-2008, 20:32
Depends on what platform you are playing PES or Fifa on. If like me, you game on a PC that could piss all over any 360 or PS3 twice over in terms of performance, then it is either going to be PES or nothing.
In their wisdom, EA have decided that FIFA09 on PC will be 'current gen' or PS2 style (which is actually VERY OLD GEN) whilst we all know that PES on the PC gets the so-called 'next gen' treatment.
So even the quality of the games turns out to be a repeat showing of last year with FIFA largely outclassing PES, for PC gamers, PES will have no competition.....which is not a good thing.
Depends on what platform you are playing PES or Fifa on. If like me, you game on a PC that could piss all over any 360 or PS3 twice over in terms of performance, then it is either going to be PES or nothing.
In their wisdom, EA have decided that FIFA09 on PC will be 'current gen' or PS2 style (which is actually VERY OLD GEN) whilst we all know that PES on the PC gets the so-called 'next gen' treatment.
So even the quality of the games turns out to be a repeat showing of last year with FIFA largely outclassing PES, for PC gamers, PES will have no competition.....which is not a good thing.
You're screwed.. you know that, right???
Still, why doesn't any company makes a great Football game for PC?? It puzzles me that apart from EA Sports and Konami, there's not a single company interested in producing The best Football game for PC.
After all, a PC should be better than any PS3 or 360 -and- most people have PCs. So I really don't understand why no one else has bothered to make a Football game that outclasses any PS3 Football game.
shankly is god
07-07-2008, 23:07
You're screwed.. you know that, right???
Still, why doesn't any company makes a great Football game for PC?? It puzzles me that apart from EA Sports and Konami, there's not a single company interested in producing The best Football game for PC.
After all, a PC should be better than any PS3 or 360 -and- most people have PCs. So I really don't understand why no one else has bothered to make a Football game that outclasses any PS3 Football game.
i think the only reason that a pc is better than the games consoles is because they can be heavily modded and alot more can be added but on the level of gameplay and graphics i am yet to see a pc game that is for better than console versions
muzza798
08-07-2008, 00:33
On pro evo online they should have a mode where you select any player in the world and make your own starting 11. i think it would be very good and no, not every1 will choose the same old players
Man what is wrong with konami, check out this pictures of stadiums in fifa 09 and pro 2009!
The crowd in PES don't look like people!
This is Fifa
http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/images/community/fifa09/fifa0902.jpg
http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/images/community/fifa09/fifa0903.jpg
PES 2009
http://www.pcaction.de/?menu=browser&mode=fullscreen&article_id=648513&entity_id=-1&overview=yes&pic=2008/06/01405342.jpg
http://www.pcaction.de/?menu=browser&mode=fullscreen&article_id=648513&entity_id=-1&overview=yes&pic=2008/06/ss02.jpg
I kind of don't understand. This year, Fifa 08 had the more realisitic gameplay and PES 2008 felt a bit like an arcade game. Yet people are still complaining about goals being too easy to score in Fifa 08. In top difficulty in Fifa 08, even taking an accurate shot from 25 yards out is quite a challenge.
muzza798
08-07-2008, 03:10
if people just stopped playing with the D-pad then konami could base some bloody real animation using the stick to control the player. if i dont see some moving footage soon im gonna go crazy. i just wanna know. will it be shit or good!!
^But the D pad gives you much better control than the stick. You could always press the stick a bit wrong and bump into the defender and end up loosing the ball.
Both fifa and Pro look very good from the screenshots that Whoa09 posted.
muzza798
08-07-2008, 05:37
yh i know what you mean cos i used to play it on the ps2 but i have a 360 now so i use the stick and once used to it i realised how much better it was. the ps3 sticks are a little different so i guess it may be harder on that
Man what is wrong with konami, check out this pictures of stadiums in fifa 09 and pro 2009!
The crowd in PES don't look like people!
This is Fifa
http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/images/community/fifa09/fifa0902.jpg
http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/images/community/fifa09/fifa0903.jpg
PES 2009
http://www.pcaction.de/?menu=browser&mode=fullscreen&article_id=648513&entity_id=-1&overview=yes&pic=2008/06/01405342.jpg
http://www.pcaction.de/?menu=browser&mode=fullscreen&article_id=648513&entity_id=-1&overview=yes&pic=2008/06/ss02.jpg
There's no doubt that the crowd in FIFA is better than the crowd in PES -but- I have to say that in my opinion the player's faces in PES09 look better than the ones I've seen in FIFA09.
Just look at Tevez and Messi, they are spot-on. If only Konami also edited the faces of Maradona, Pele, Cruijff, and the rest of the CLASSICS.
Overall, I think FIFA haves better Crowds and Stadiums -and- PES haves more realistic looking Players.
And again, the Graphics are really a non-factor nowadays -because- both FIFA and PES have good graphics. The decisive difference will be the gameplay and the controls.
^But the D pad gives you much better control than the stick. You could always press the stick a bit wrong and bump into the defender and end up loosing the ball.
Both fifa and Pro look very good from the screenshots that Whoa09 posted.
The stick will always be better, it just takes a little getting used to. Once you get it right, you'll forget about the D-pad.
Anyways, you want to design your own Football game??
Why not? I remember sending off game designs about ten years ago. Got a week long stint at Psygnosis (the original creators of Wipeout) in Liverpool, but failed to get through. They had us designing levels using the original Quake level design technology. BTW I can't program. I'd need someone to do that!
My idea for a football game would have some major differences from Pro Evo and FIFA. For one, forget about image rights/sponsorship. Aint happening. Too expensive. Would have to start as simply the blue versus the red team (or green, yellow purple).
Dynamics wise though this is what I want to see. I want to see fluid body motion. I want to see players building up significant speed (a la Ronaldo), but then the control of the player would be severly hampered. For example, Ronaldo could make sharp turns and shimmies at slight angles at top speed, but wouldnt be able to stop immeadiately. Therefore, you would have a trade off. Lets say your defender is pegging it after a striker, the striker simply side steps, and the defender cannot stop his run, and ends up over running. PES does have these concepts in a very basic form, but not in a very realistic way. I want to see the players I'm controlling almost running on ice (not that extreme, but you get the point). A skilled player would be able to run at top speed at an opponent, and then use momentum to dodge/fly by the defender. A player with lesser skill would either run into the defender, or end up mis controlling the player/ball.
I want to re-create the whole body dynamics of football. Imagine playing a footie game and doing the Pele body swerve of the 1970 Mexico World Cup. How cool would that be? (only this time, you'd score from it).
^But the D pad gives you much better control than the stick. You could always press the stick a bit wrong and bump into the defender and end up loosing the ball.
Both fifa and Pro look very good from the screenshots that Whoa09 posted.
I'd have to strongly disagree, the analog stick for the Xbox 360 gives you full motion and therefore more control and options. The D-Pad was always my first choice when I played the PS2 versions, but now we're next-gen, the D-Pads are just limited to what you can do in comparison to an analog stick.
shankly is god
08-07-2008, 12:13
I'd have to strongly disagree, the analog stick for the Xbox 360 gives you full motion and therefore more control and options. The D-Pad was always my first choice when I played the PS2 versions, but now we're next-gen, the D-Pads are just limited to what you can do in comparison to an analog stick.
yer agreed i think that its also because of the position of the analog stick on the controller for the xbox wich makes it easy to use....i have pes on ps3 and i can only use the analog but its a bit anoying its far away but i get used to it..... the analog stick i feel has alot more response.
If you turn pass assistance and make everything manual fifa 08 is excellent and better than pes 360. I still am more excited about pro though and if the gameplay is improved pes 09 will be back at the top.
I'd have to strongly disagree, the analog stick for the Xbox 360 gives you full motion and therefore more control and options. The D-Pad was always my first choice when I played the PS2 versions, but now we're next-gen, the D-Pads are just limited to what you can do in comparison to an analog stick.
Well yes but I meant in PES 2008 the analogue is not good enough. The 360 controller is a huge advantage over the ps2 one.
Original?
08-07-2008, 18:13
Just a note to everyone, the analogue stick can move in 360 degrees, yet the game does not actually register 360 degree motion. Therefore the analogue actually gives you no further control over your player, use whichever feels more comfortable, though to suggest the analogue stick is any better is a little foolish. The vast majority of the best players (tournament players), and Seabass himself, apparently use the D-Pad which would give weight to the opposing argument.
Lastly there is no D-Pad on the 360 controller, what Microsoft has labelled as a D-Pad is a broken low-profile analogue stick... it's dire.
Why not? I remember sending off game designs about ten years ago. Got a week long stint at Psygnosis (the original creators of Wipeout) in Liverpool, but failed to get through. They had us designing levels using the original Quake level design technology. BTW I can't program. I'd need someone to do that!
My idea for a football game would have some major differences from Pro Evo and FIFA. For one, forget about image rights/sponsorship. Aint happening. Too expensive. Would have to start as simply the blue versus the red team (or green, yellow purple).
Dynamics wise though this is what I want to see. I want to see fluid body motion. I want to see players building up significant speed (a la Ronaldo), but then the control of the player would be severly hampered. For example, Ronaldo could make sharp turns and shimmies at slight angles at top speed, but wouldnt be able to stop immeadiately. Therefore, you would have a trade off. Lets say your defender is pegging it after a striker, the striker simply side steps, and the defender cannot stop his run, and ends up over running. PES does have these concepts in a very basic form, but not in a very realistic way. I want to see the players I'm controlling almost running on ice (not that extreme, but you get the point). A skilled player would be able to run at top speed at an opponent, and then use momentum to dodge/fly by the defender. A player with lesser skill would either run into the defender, or end up mis controlling the player/ball.
I want to re-create the whole body dynamics of football. Imagine playing a footie game and doing the Pele body swerve of the 1970 Mexico World Cup. How cool would that be? (only this time, you'd score from it).
Well, designing a Football game would be a dream for me.. would love to do it, but unfortunately I don't know the first thing about programing, etc, etc..
However, I am 100% certain that PES can be much better, and that Konami takes it SLOW on purpose.
And again, I don't know much about programing or anything that regards that -but- I think Konami and EA Sports should have someone (or a couple of people) who works as the Director of the game, or the Architect of the game.
You know, because probably many of the Teams who work on games such as FIFA and PES aren't the most experienced people Football-Wise. There are people that might NOT know how to deal with a computer, but regardless of that have an outstanding Football knowledge.
And then again, maybe there is someone who does that Job, maybe Seabass does that job. But regardless, I think that having one or a couple of Football experts would facilitate the job of Konami. Just having someone to play the game, analize the game -and- say what needs to be done. In other words, something similar to the relationship between an Engineer and an Architect.
The Engineers are the ones who really do the work -and- the Architect does the design and gives the direction. Again, maybe Konami and EA Sports have someone who does something similar. But having even more help and ideas from Football Experts can only help.
And by Football Experts I mean people who have actually taken the time to watch Football in the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, all the way to the Modern Era. Football Fans who have a clear IDEA of how Football has changed through the years -and- of how great players are supposed to play, and of what great football really is.
In short, Football fans who really understand Football. Football fans who acknowledge that Football is team game -and- that the best TEAMS aren't always made by the best INDIVIDUALS. And that in order to produce a proper Football game you MUST establish Fundamental Differences between Different Players and Different Positions.
That is the knowledge that seems to be missing in current Football simulation games -something- that can be evidenced by simply playing the games and experiencing all the flaws; Average players making incredible runs and dribbles, a limited set of Stats and Special Abilities that cannot establish Important differences between players like Ballack and Riquelme, skillful players CONSISTENTLY giving the ball away cheaply, etc, etc..
But anyways, you mentioned the "Dinamics and body motions" -and- I also think that is something that must be addressed soon -Because- by playing the game you can see that really skillful players such as Messi, Robinho, and Cristiano Ronaldo kind of give the ball away easily.. I usually win the ball by simply running in front of the attackers, because they ALWAYS touch the ball too far -and- that is how I always win the ball so easily.
We should work harder in order to win the ball back because gifted players such as Leo Messi rarely give the ball away like that. That is, that Defenders should steal the ball -NOT- the other way around; attackers practically giving the ball away to the defenders.
I think skillful players should be harder to defend -while- at the same time, Defenders should be better equipped to deal with such skillful players. Meaning that Defensive Play should also have more depth and substance to it.
So I think skillful players should have even better movements and changes of speed to make them harder to defend -while- world class Defenders should have better tackling, marking, responsiveness, and positioning in order to defend against the most gifted players.
There must be a balance between Attackers and Defenders -as- a game that discourages defending and makes attacking EASY -will- always be boring and mediocre.
Just a note to everyone, the analogue stick can move in 360 degrees, yet the game does not actually register 360 degree motion. Therefore the analogue actually gives you no further control over your player, use whichever feels more comfortable, though to suggest the analogue stick is any better is a little foolish. The vast majority of the best players (tournament players), and Seabass himself, apparently use the D-Pad which would give weight to the opposing argument.
Lastly there is no D-Pad on the 360 controller, what Microsoft has labelled as a D-Pad is a broken low-profile analogue stick... it's dire.
Even if there is no difference, the analog stick still haves some positive things to it. For one thing, I can play 2 to 4 hours with the stick and my fingers don't get any blisters.
And apart from that, I just got used to the Analog Stick.
By the way, why so much argument about the D-pad and the R3 button?? We can use BOTH.
Just a note to everyone, the analogue stick can move in 360 degrees, yet the game does not actually register 360 degree motion. Therefore the analogue actually gives you no further control over your player, use whichever feels more comfortable, though to suggest the analogue stick is any better is a little foolish. The vast majority of the best players (tournament players), and Seabass himself, apparently use the D-Pad which would give weight to the opposing argument.
Lastly there is no D-Pad on the 360 controller, what Microsoft has labelled as a D-Pad is a broken low-profile analogue stick... it's dire.
Surel you can't use the D-Pad for manual control passes, therefore the analog stick gives you further control. I now play PES on the Xbox 360, and as you say the D-Pad for the 360 controllers is simply broken and absolutely terrible, leaving the player no alternative but to use the analog sticks. The analog stick is definetely a more comfortable tool though, plus it feels a lot smoother to move etc, as it should do.
Well still in Pes 2008 the analogue is not good enough. The player movement wasn't that good. Also if you for example press left and then up (in 90 degrees motion) the player side steps the opponent and if you do it right you'll pass the defender. Now how could you do that with the stick? I find it pretty hard. I would like to train with the stick because your fingers hurt when you play with the D pad.
The stand out thing for me with next gen pes is that even if you play a great pass if feels like the computer has done it for you which goes against what pes is all about. This is a crucial year for both of these games and i am confident pes will prevail although some serious work needs to be done. I fifa is to match pes than the resposiveness of players need to improve. The strange things is no matter how good fifa does get i will always want to play pro, apart from this years version that was terrible and makes me go back to ps2
ThierryHenry14
09-07-2008, 16:24
Think of PES on the left and Fifa on the right.
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cescf4bregas
09-07-2008, 16:47
NEVER!...i even put up with this glitched version which we call PES2008 on PS3 rather than going to FIFA 08...i hope konami appreciate us fans and bring Pro Evo back to it's prime once again
Chelseaboy19
11-07-2008, 15:48
Man what is wrong with konami, check out this pictures of stadiums in fifa 09 and pro 2009!
The crowd in PES don't look like people!
This is Fifa
http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/images/community/fifa09/fifa0902.jpg
http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/images/community/fifa09/fifa0903.jpg
PES 2009
http://www.pcaction.de/?menu=browser&mode=fullscreen&article_id=648513&entity_id=-1&overview=yes&pic=2008/06/01405342.jpg
http://www.pcaction.de/?menu=browser&mode=fullscreen&article_id=648513&entity_id=-1&overview=yes&pic=2008/06/ss02.jpg
At least the crowd don't look as bad as this.
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3597/nextgencrowdco6.jpg
Who ever says Fifa has better graphics is just a fifa fan and vice versa. They're both good at certain points but from a distant camera Pro has always looked better. But for this we'll have to wait until the next realease to fully decide.
just read on another site fifa 09 only has 4 seasons in career mode!!! 1-0 to pes already
http://playstationuniverse.wordpress. com/2008/07/10/fifa-09-career-mode-to-be-4-seasons-long/
just read on another site fifa 09 only has 4 seasons in career mode!!! 1-0 to pes already
http://playstationuniverse.wordpress. com/2008/07/10/fifa-09-career-mode-to-be-4-seasons-long/
Yeah but you forgot to mention that FIFA's 4 year career mode WILL include the FIFA World Cup and UEFA Euro Cup.
playstationuniverse - "Continuing our Fifa 09 blowout day, EA have confirmed to us that the Career Mode in the PS3 version will be 4 seasons long and will have a few special new features."
"You will now be able to choose a international team and guide them to World Cup and Euro glory, also this will considerably shorten career mode as there will not be as many matches to play."
I think that's actually a 1-0 against PES -and- if PES doesn't includes the UEFA Champions League into the Master League -then- it will feel like a 2-0 in FIFA's favor.
We'll see.. it seems PES acquired the License for the UEFA Champions League -while- on the other hand, FIFA haves the License for the FIFA World Cup and UEFA Euro. Surprising?? Not at the very least.. FIFA always succeeds in including more Licenses.
However, the important thing will always be the gameplay. So let's see who haves the better gameplay -whom- by the way I expect to be Konami's PES.
c'mon though 4 YEARS. by the time you are starting to get a name for yourself as a manager and sign better players it's time up. i buy both pes and fifa each year and this happened in fifa a few years ago when your career only lasted 5 years and it ruined it for me. i decided to go yeovil town and by the time i reached the top division my career was up. hopefully the 4 years is be a pro mode only if they are including international competitions.
^Well yeah no matter what they iclude in it, 4 years will simply destroy it.
@Amateur You're right also but 4 seasons are very limited.
^Well yeah no matter what they iclude in it, 4 years will simply destroy it.
@Amateur You're right also but 4 seasons are very limited.
I agree.. 4 Seasons is just too short -even- if it haves the World Cup and Euro Cup.
But still, Konami should include the UEFA Champions League in the Master League -otherwise- the License will be poorly used.
Fifa was by no means better than PES 2008 but UEFA Euro was really close and even manage to beat the problematic PES 2008 effort in some cases. The thing is that for us, players and not fan-boys, it's irrelevant who wins but it's very rellevant who will deliver the closest football simulation with the best playability and options. Yes I know, its...Pro Evo FIFA 2012 but, since that's impossible I suppose we will have to let Konami and EA prove themselves to us and not we, to prove our loyalty to one or another multinational software firm. That is if we don't own EA or Konami or have personal reasons to favor one or another. Let them continue their contest guys! So far it proves constructive since FIFA's are marginally improved and I really hope Seabass and Konami learned their bitter lesson from the disastrous(in my opinion) PES 2008...
symiester
15-07-2008, 13:17
What do you mean again, when has the mockery, of a shame that is called Fifa ever out done Pes ????
Fifa DIDN'T outdo Pro last year from what I recall.
What do you mean again, when has the mockery, of a shame that is called Fifa ever out done Pes ????
Well, I thought FIFA 2003 was a brilliant game... but I don't recall it ever out-doing Pro any other year.
As Roy Walker would say "It's good, but it's not right."
http://www.schoey.com/images/v3-frontpage_catchphrase.jpg
That's my general feeling of FIFA.
I'm willing to bet that'll be my feeling with FIFA '09.
PES had one bad year and now everyone loves FIFA. Then buy FIFA next year and leave PES behind. I for sure will buy both and there is one thing i know they both run on the same engine they have used in earlier PES and FIFA and PES has always won win their engine and gameplay and it will be this year. until they both don't start making a new engine for a new football game then the only thing we will see is improvements but not major gameplay differences and that's a fact.
BlueScouse
15-07-2008, 16:08
just read on another site fifa 09 only has 4 seasons in career mode!!! 1-0 to pes already
http://playstationuniverse.wordpress. com/2008/07/10/fifa-09-career-mode-to-be-4-seasons-long/
Erm, no read it properly mate. The 4 seasons is for the Be A Pro mode which includes the world cup. The normal career mode spans around 15 seasons. Get your facts right first eh lads.
PES had one bad year and now everyone loves FIFA. Then buy FIFA next year and leave PES behind. I for sure will buy both and there is one thing i know they both run on the same engine they have used in earlier PES and FIFA and PES has always won win their engine and gameplay and it will be this year. until they both don't start making a new engine for a new football game then the only thing we will see is improvements but not major gameplay differences and that's a fact.
Fully agree sire, all FIFA's done is kept the same awkward passing and strange shooting, and put a load of right analogue stick bollocks on the top of it. Worst thing they ever did was when you pressed something like L2, and it gave you an option of three people to pass to - hardly useful in a fast paced football game.
ThierryHenry14
15-07-2008, 18:54
PES had one bad year and now everyone loves FIFA. Then buy FIFA next year and leave PES behind. I for sure will buy both and there is one thing i know they both run on the same engine they have used in earlier PES and FIFA and PES has always won win their engine and gameplay and it will be this year. until they both don't start making a new engine for a new football game then the only thing we will see is improvements but not major gameplay differences and that's a fact.
2 years PES6 was a let down in my opinion aswell as PES2008.
Fifa was by no means better than PES 2008 but UEFA Euro was really close and even manage to beat the problematic PES 2008 effort in some cases. The thing is that for us, players and not fan-boys, it's irrelevant who wins but it's very rellevant who will deliver the closest football simulation with the best playability and options. Yes I know, its...Pro Evo FIFA 2012 but, since that's impossible I suppose we will have to let Konami and EA prove themselves to us and not we, to prove our loyalty to one or another multinational software firm. That is if we don't own EA or Konami or have personal reasons to favor one or another. Let them continue their contest guys! So far it proves constructive since FIFA's are marginally improved and I really hope Seabass and Konami learned their bitter lesson from the disastrous(in my opinion) PES 2008...
Well said that man!
Check this new Fifa Screenshots
http://bp1.blogger.com/_vffBWzB_25Y/SGpV1erolQI/AAAAAAAAAG0/PxbIZW04NYE/s1600-h/Veltinscolor.jpg
http://bp0.blogger.com/_vffBWzB_25Y/SGpVuwndg7I/AAAAAAAAAGs/z5Or5vHM1Nk/s1600-h/FIFA+09+Screenshot+01.jpg
http://bp0.blogger.com/_vffBWzB_25Y/SGpS-xQ1RzI/AAAAAAAAAGc/wUn7hQFfrs4/s1600-h/FIFA+09+Screenshot+Benzema.jpg
The third one is funny because most of the fans are sitting sideways
HAHAHAHAHA!
But Fifa is looking great
It's all going to come down to Gameplay because graphic wise FIFA has destroyed PES or former winning eleven here in the U.S
Check this new Fifa Screenshots
http://bp1.blogger.com/_vffBWzB_25Y/SGpV1erolQI/AAAAAAAAAG0/PxbIZW04NYE/s1600-h/Veltinscolor.jpg
http://bp0.blogger.com/_vffBWzB_25Y/SGpVuwndg7I/AAAAAAAAAGs/z5Or5vHM1Nk/s1600-h/FIFA+09+Screenshot+01.jpg
http://bp0.blogger.com/_vffBWzB_25Y/SGpS-xQ1RzI/AAAAAAAAAGc/wUn7hQFfrs4/s1600-h/FIFA+09+Screenshot+Benzema.jpg
The third one is funny because most of the fans are sitting sideways
HAHAHAHAHA!
But Fifa is looking great
It's all going to come down to Gameplay because graphic wise FIFA has destroyed PES or former winning eleven here in the U.S
I don't know if you've ever noticed it -but- FIFA never looks as good as their "screen-shots" suggest. FIFA's gameplay graphics aren't very good in FIFA08 (even though they showed some impressive screen-shots).
Don't be fooled by their touched up pics, completely irrelevant to the gameplay.
Fully agree sire, all FIFA's done is kept the same awkward passing and strange shooting, and put a load of right analogue stick bollocks on the top of it. Worst thing they ever did was when you pressed something like L2, and it gave you an option of three people to pass to - hardly useful in a fast paced football game.
That's just like their Dribbling Tricks, you have to press and hold the L2 Button -and- then and only then, can you do some Dribbling Tricks via the R3 Button (Right Analog Stick).
It is hardly useful in a Football Match.. since when is Dribbling something you plan that much?? Dribbling is all about simplicity and intuition. Having to press and hold the L2 Button -only- to then start using the R3 Button takes far too LONG -It- takes the element of surprise right out of it, and it becomes Predictable and BORING.
And it becomes Boring simply because -although- you can easily predict what the opponent is going to do next, although you KNOW exactly which Dribbling Trick the opponent will try on you -you- cannot prevent it from happening.
If you have mastered the Right Analog Stick (R3) -then- no one will stop you. Might sound fun from a certain perspective -but- from a serious Football fan's perspective it is just plain predictable, unrealistic, and boring -it- feels like an RPG Football game.
Leo Messi, Diego Maradona, Johan Cruijff -WHEN- have you ever seen this players doing the flashy-but-ineffective dribbling tricks we consistently see in FIFA?? FIFA is so full of Fantasy that it isn't even Fun to Play.
I don't know if you've ever noticed it -but- FIFA never looks as good as their "screen-shots" suggest. FIFA's gameplay graphics aren't very good in FIFA08 (even though they showed some impressive screen-shots).
Don't be fooled by their touched up pics, completely irrelevant to the gameplay.
Well yes you're right. When I saw the screenshots of Fifa 08 I thought it looked very good. Then I played it (in HD) at a gamestore and the graphics weren't that good.
Well yes you're right. When I saw the screenshots of Fifa 08 I thought it looked very good. Then I played it (in HD) at a gamestore and the graphics weren't that good.
I bet the same thing will happen with FIFA09.
EA Sports are very good at selling crap -although- FIFA09 is clearly an exception.
EA is like SONY, they show off and 2 years later they say no we are sorry we canceled it. They always show us amazing screens and movies but when you play it you wanna throw it out of the window, like I did with FIFA 03
nikicampos
17-07-2008, 21:12
Check this new Fifa Screenshots
http://bp1.blogger.com/_vffBWzB_25Y/SGpV1erolQI/AAAAAAAAAG0/PxbIZW04NYE/s1600-h/Veltinscolor.jpg
http://bp0.blogger.com/_vffBWzB_25Y/SGpVuwndg7I/AAAAAAAAAGs/z5Or5vHM1Nk/s1600-h/FIFA+09+Screenshot+01.jpg
http://bp0.blogger.com/_vffBWzB_25Y/SGpS-xQ1RzI/AAAAAAAAAGc/wUn7hQFfrs4/s1600-h/FIFA+09+Screenshot+Benzema.jpg
The third one is funny because most of the fans are sitting sideways
HAHAHAHAHA!
But Fifa is looking great
It's all going to come down to Gameplay because graphic wise FIFA has destroyed PES or former winning eleven here in the U.S
LOL, look at the third one, come on peolple, FIFA???, it's a joke, it looks like a monkey running.
And by the way, Fifa better graphics?????, look at the faces, awful, look at eh bodies, everybody has the same body, no shoulders, and when you are playing, you can not tell anyone apart.
On the other hand, PES, the faces, look like real people, the players all have their real life appearance, when you are playing, you can tell who has the ball without looking at the name.
For me, Fifa is so full of shi..........
ThierryHenry14
17-07-2008, 21:20
Well it's not a finished game so just wait until the final game.
LOL, look at the third one, come on peolple, FIFA???, it's a joke, it looks like a monkey running.
And by the way, Fifa better graphics?????, look at the faces, awful, look at eh bodies, everybody has the same body, no shoulders, and when you are playing, you can not tell anyone apart.
On the other hand, PES, the faces, look like real people, the players all have their real life appearance, when you are playing, you can tell who has the ball without looking at the name.
For me, Fifa is so full of shi..........
Don't you just love people saying FIFA destroys PES. FIFa is carbage all the way. Even the graphics are shit. Trust me i have played all of them
^Agreed. So far (fifa 09 and pes 09 aren't counted) Pes has destroyed Fifa in terms of graphics mostly.
nikicampos
18-07-2008, 08:14
Don't you just love people saying FIFA destroys PES. FIFa is carbage all the way. Even the graphics are shit. Trust me i have played all of them
I know, it's so hard for me to undestand people who say Fifa is better than PES, ok, if you like fifa, perfect, that's your taste, i respect that, but don't come and say that it's better than PES, and that it has better graphics, since PES on PS2, you can tell who the player is, the face is so real, i could go on and on, but worthless.
So, to anyone who is a Fifa fan, and you think fifa 08 was the best football game ever, LOL, perfect, just keep on buying fifa, and stop trying to compare the two games, it's like apples and oranges, just be happy with your game, i know i will be with PES 2009.
And ThierryHenry14, even if it's not a finish game, look at euro 2009, the bodies look like monkey, no shoulders, and for what i see in that picture it's what fifa thinks is cool. Plus, the game is not going to look like that, Photoshop anyone?????
Very well said......... Whe I first bought winning eleven 6 for ps2 I was very pleased and since than it's been all bout winning Eleven or PES as it is now called! I know, it's so hard for me to undestand people who say Fifa is better than PES, ok, if you like fifa, perfect, that's your taste, i respect that, but don't come and say that it's better than PES, and that it has better graphics, since PES on PS2, you can tell who the player is, the face is so real, i could go on and on, but worthless.
So, to anyone who is a Fifa fan, and you think fifa 08 was the best football game ever, LOL, perfect, just keep on buying fifa, and stop trying to compare the two games, it's like apples and oranges, just be happy with your game, i know i will be with PES 2009.
And ThierryHenry14, even if it's not a finish game, look at euro 2009, the bodies look like monkey, no shoulders, and for what i see in that picture it's what fifa thinks is cool. Plus, the game is not going to look like that, Photoshop anyone?????
I know, it's so hard for me to undestand people who say Fifa is better than PES, ok, if you like fifa, perfect, that's your taste, i respect that, but don't come and say that it's better than PES, and that it has better graphics, since PES on PS2, you can tell who the player is, the face is so real, i could go on and on, but worthless.
So, to anyone who is a Fifa fan, and you think fifa 08 was the best football game ever, LOL, perfect, just keep on buying fifa, and stop trying to compare the two games, it's like apples and oranges, just be happy with your game, i know i will be with PES 2009.
And ThierryHenry14, even if it's not a finish game, look at euro 2009, the bodies look like monkey, no shoulders, and for what i see in that picture it's what fifa thinks is cool. Plus, the game is not going to look like that, Photoshop anyone?????
Agreed. Everyone should play the game that he likes best.
You will always call your game the best.
I know, it's so hard for me to undestand people who say Fifa is better than PES, ok, if you like fifa, perfect, that's your taste, i respect that, but don't come and say that it's better than PES, and that it has better graphics, since PES on PS2, you can tell who the player is, the face is so real, i could go on and on, but worthless.
So, to anyone who is a Fifa fan, and you think fifa 08 was the best football game ever, LOL, perfect, just keep on buying fifa, and stop trying to compare the two games, it's like apples and oranges, just be happy with your game, i know i will be with PES 2009.
And ThierryHenry14, even if it's not a finish game, look at euro 2009, the bodies look like monkey, no shoulders, and for what i see in that picture it's what fifa thinks is cool. Plus, the game is not going to look like that, Photoshop anyone?????
PES on PS2 is a much better game than any FIFA version -however- PES on PS2 haves crappy graphics, that's a FACT.. FIFA had better graphics in the PS2.
Anyways, I agree that PES08 haves better graphics than FIFA08 -or- at least better looking players -as- the players on FIFA08 look like zombies. And yet again, FIFA never looks that good during gameplay, all those screenshots are just touched-up (photoshop) pics to lure casual gamers.
Bottom Line?? The graphics are completely irrelevant THIS time around -and- the Gameplay should be decisive.
goalgerd
18-07-2008, 17:25
fifa will be better this year,konami wont release any info cos they done nothing with the 2008 game
PES on PS2 is a much better game than any FIFA version -however- PES on PS2 haves crappy graphics, that's a FACT.. FIFA had better graphics in the PS2.
Anyways, I agree that PES08 haves better graphics than FIFA08 -or- at least better looking players -as- the players on FIFA08 look like zombies. And yet again, FIFA never looks that good during gameplay, all those screenshots are just touched-up (photoshop) pics to lure casual gamers.
Bottom Line?? The graphics are completely irrelevant THIS time around -and- the Gameplay should be decisive.
Amen,
You are right the Animation on FIFA look retarded. Did any of you guy's notice how suddenly they make a 90 degree or 180 degree in FIFA when doing tricks??. i mean that doesn't happen in real life. In fact in real life it happens very often that some one can make a fast 90 degree or 180 degree turn. The tricks on FIFA are ridiculous.
Photoshop, definitly on some pictures. Especially on the pictures where they want to make the players look better than the background. it's just Silly.
the funny part is casual gamers fall for this shit
fifa will be better this year,konami wont release any info cos they done nothing with the 2008 game
Impossible.. very unlikely because Konami cannot afford to do this AGAIN, it's that simple -IF- Konami releases a version of PES08 with updated kits and modes -then- they will loose a good part of their fan base.
PES09 will be decisive for the series.
Something that PES has always done well is the Animations because have you guys notice that when you win a cup in PES the players actually get excited and a lot of celebration is done and the trophy is lifted and you actually feel it as if you were in the match.
On the other hand in fifa when you win a cup the celebration lasts for like 10-30 seconds seriously and it doesn't even feel like you have won anything.
Same thing with goal celebrations and the intro to a match!
In other words Winning eleven( PES ) is still the best soccer game out there!
PES RULEZ!
FIFA...UuuMMm! it's ok !
Something that PES has always done well is the Animations because have you guys notice that when you win a cup in PES the players actually get excited and a lot of celebration is done and the trophy is lifted and you actually feel it as if you were in the match.
On the other hand in fifa when you win a cup the celebration lasts for like 10-30 seconds seriously and it doesn't even feel like you have won anything.
Same thing with goal celebrations and the intro to a match!
In other words Winning eleven( PES ) is still the best soccer game out there!
PES RULEZ!
FIFA...UuuMMm! it's ok !
dude don't get me started :D, but i will add another one to that. When a penalty is given, that's just awesome, the animation... like in real football.
would love to see a option where you as a head of a team have to calm down players otherwise they will get a card, just a thought for pes 2016
Impossible.. very unlikely because Konami cannot afford to do this AGAIN, it's that simple -IF- Konami releases a version of PES08 with updated kits and modes -then- they will loose a good part of their fan base.
PES09 will be decisive for the series.
I hope.
Also Pes is better in every part of the football game except for the licenses and modes.
I hope.
Also Pes is better in every part of the football game except for the licenses and modes.
Or to some people's eyes, PES was better in most aspects -but- NOW it seems the tides have changed -because- in actuality, PES08 feels and plays like the most arcadish Football game around.
Konami needs to release a New game, a Different game.. a better game. The game we've been expecting since the start of the current generation.
I was just going trough youtube and I came Across this trailer for the xbox 360 for winning eleven or PES and this game looks awesome!
This is what I'm talking about the animations! you can see the crowd with their huge flags and little flags and goal celebrations that it makes you feel as if you were in the game
Something that fifa has never had!
Check it out!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeF2n-Y4t7A
The animations are pretty good. Is that Pro 6?
Personally I hope that fifa produce their best game ever this year, and yes even be better than PES, Konami might then pull their finger out and produce something worthy of its fanbase. Obviously this is said not knowing what PES2009 has to offer and from piecing together some of the interviews etc. it should be pretty good.
Well this was winning eleven 2007 or PES 2007The animations are pretty good. Is that Pro 6?
Well this was winning eleven 2007 or PES 2007
yes that was pes 6. The best pes of all of them on the xbox360. I did not like it on the pc and ps2. The xbox360 version was awesome. The crowd was really alive
^I never played Pes6 on the 360. Didn't have my 360 at that time unfortunately.
You know yesterday I slept over at my friends house and we decided to try out fifa 08 for the Ps3....see we put the game in and it was pretty ok but then we got bored of it so we decided to play Winning eleven Pro evolution Soccer 2007 for PS2 and man that game kept us awake for the rest of the night way better than FIFA! NO doubt!
PES RULEZ!
goalgerd
20-07-2008, 21:04
yeah and with new be a ref mode pes will dominate again hahha
Really where you hear that?
Something else that has always put PES ( Winning Eleven ) is its edit mode!
I really don't care if Konami doesn't get the licenses for the leagues like fifa because with edit mode you can do that and much more!
Who needs licenses when you have edit mode?
WInning Eleven Rulez!
^Yeah Pes is the best. In a football game I'd rather see the animations and gameplay rather than licenses.
raymondip
24-07-2008, 16:44
well fifa not the same grade/class as pes so far trust won't be for the next few years
^Yeah. Pes's football feeling is still there even in 2008. I wish they work on the game speed though.
muzza798
25-07-2008, 05:36
in the sneak preview they have said the game speed is alot slower
atlassoft
30-08-2008, 02:00
i think fifa 09 will be better all of its moves was motion captured and its gameplay is very better
on pc fifa wil have a big graphic change i hope fifa break pes!
raymondip
30-08-2008, 05:42
i think fifa 09 will be better all of its moves was motion captured and its gameplay is very better
on pc fifa wil have a big graphic change i hope fifa break pes!
:blush:, well, you might say that as a fifa fans but indeed, fifa has been much pretending to be more pes style than ever.
so.................
FutebolArte
30-08-2008, 07:49
again??? man who is the tit that thought the gameplay was better?
PESFan92
30-08-2008, 13:25
I actually think, looking at the PES2009 videos on youtube, PES2009 can be better than FIFA09. Everything seems great so far, gameplay looks so much better than PES2008.
I'l be buying both for sure.
vietfan09
30-08-2008, 13:49
both games equal each other !!!
Each have different taste and kind of gameplay to be honest. So
PES 2009 VS FIFA 2009 ....Whichever game you like the most ..pick it !!
But this is PES Fan site so no matter what ..we buy PES 2009. PES tradition is always in our heart . We love it . So if PES have done anything wrong since 2008 version , then they will fix everything and more and more feature than ever in this version.
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BEST REGARD PES 2009
greekwow
30-08-2008, 14:02
FIFA 09 off course. it is real new gen game insteed of PES that seems old with same old arcade gamplay and low end graphics
vietfan09
30-08-2008, 14:05
FIFA 09 off course. it is real new gen game insteed of PES that seems old with same old arcade gamplay and low end graphics
Please if you say something about something ..please makes a note for yourself . PES 'S Graphic is not arcade same old game everyyear. ( Not to mention about fifa graphic )
But that 's ok ...I'm not here to argue with you . Just want to let u know about what u saying . Read and make some research before your post . Don't just spam your idea out of nowhere .
Thank you
FIFA 09 off course. it is real new gen game insteed of PES that seems old with same old arcade gamplay and low end graphics
STFU fanboy. I don't wanna start a war but you are a very annoying Fifa fanboy . I respect your opinion to like Fifa but to say that Pes is arcade and has low graphics, is just pure fanboyism.
greekwow
30-08-2008, 15:45
STFU fanboy. I don't wanna start a war but you are a very annoying Fifa fanboy . I respect your opinion to like Fifa but to say that Pes is arcade and has low graphics, is just pure fanboyism.
i was PES fun until FIFA 08. so stop talking about fanboyism. And dont forget that this topic is about FIFA 09 vs PES 2009.
so i CAN tell my opinion.
I never said anything about your opinion. I respect it but I don't respect the lies and hatred you have towards Pes. You're lying about it. It's not arcade and the graphics are pretty good. To tell the truth Fifa has better stadiums but pro has a better player models and faces. So graphics they can get the same score.
ihitbaboons
30-08-2008, 15:58
i was PES fun until FIFA 08. so stop talking about fanboyism. And dont forget that this topic is about FIFA 09 vs PES 2009.
so i CAN tell my opinion.
Just stating my opinion.
I think your a fanboy.
greekwow
30-08-2008, 16:01
I never said anything about your opinion. I respect it but I don't respect the lies and hatred you have towards Pes. You're lying about it. It's not arcade and the graphics are pretty good. To tell the truth Fifa has better stadiums but pro has a better player models and faces. So graphics they can get the same score.
i think the models from FIFA08 are much better than PES08 models.
freestyleh7
30-08-2008, 16:13
PES 2008 vs FIFA 08 my opinion list:
Player Models: PES 2008
Gameplay: PES 2008
Graphics: FIFA 08
Commentary: FIFA 08
Online: FIFA 08
Button Controls: PES 2008.
both games to me were evenly matched, and thats my point of view.
PESFan92
30-08-2008, 16:41
i think the models from FIFA08 are much better than PES08 models.
You obviously know nothing about football games. FIFA models look like they are made of plastic.
Read the post above mine, that guy knows what his talking about.
^Excactly. Pes models are better. Also player models are a big part of the graphics.
chinaman
30-08-2008, 18:22
STFU fanboy. I don't wanna start a war but you are a very annoying Fifa fanboy . I respect your opinion to like Fifa but to say that Pes is arcade and has low graphics, is just pure fanboyism.
Have a look at your latest post which says pes models are better.Is that not pure fanboysim?...when the fifa 09 screenshots and videos clearly show that the player models in fifa 09 are better than in pes 09. And the latest review of fifa 09 from a certain ps3 mag has given it 9/10 when it gave fifa 08 6/10 last year and pro evo 08 9/10. What do you say to that?
Have a look at your latest post which says pes models are better.Is that not pure fanboysim?...when the fifa 09 screenshots and videos clearly show that the player models in fifa 09 are better than in pes 09. And the latest review of fifa 09 from a certain ps3 mag has given it 9/10 when it gave fifa 08 6/10 last year and pro evo 08 9/10. What do you say to that?
Some people prefer a Volkswagen over a Ferrari. i do to
Have a look at your latest post which says pes models are better.Is that not pure fanboysim?...when the fifa 09 screenshots and videos clearly show that the player models in fifa 09 are better than in pes 09. And the latest review of fifa 09 from a certain ps3 mag has given it 9/10 when it gave fifa 08 6/10 last year and pro evo 08 9/10. What do you say to that?
Do you even know what people look like ? FIFA's player models are seriously poor, everyone with a hint of unbiasness knows this. FIFA has always had graphically better stadiums, crowds and what not, no doubt about that. But the player models in FIFA are terrible, the body's aren't proportioned right at all. They simply aren't lifelike, so don't blatently lie. It isn't even a matter of opinion, it just depends on whether you have eyes or not.
chinaman
30-08-2008, 18:40
2 face some people are stupid.
chinaman
30-08-2008, 18:42
Do you even know what people look like ? FIFA's player models are seriously poor, everyone with a hint of unbiasness knows this. FIFA has always had graphically better stadiums, crowds and what not, no doubt about that. But the player models in FIFA are terrible, the body's aren't proportioned right at all. They simply aren't lifelike, so don't blatently lie. It isn't even a matter of opinion, it just depends on whether you have eyes or not.
i sure know that shorts arent cylindrical and dont look as if they are being repelled from the players leg by an invisible force field. I also know that football kits arent all shiny like they were in pro evo 08. I also know that pl;ayers dont run like mario and luigi, also in pro evo 08.
Least player's body's and their limbs are the correct proportions. The players in FIFA all look like crosses between ogres and the hunchback of Notre Dame.
chinaman
30-08-2008, 18:53
hunter, maybe you need a new tv or change the format of your tv screen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4dttjlCxpA
I dont see any ogres here...
FIFA's graphics have vastly improved since arriving on next-gen, but that is to be expected. I think Hunter is refering to those FIFA's on the PS2, back then, they did look like ugly disproportionate ogres, and many faces were repeated on even top England League teams.
PES looked so much better back then, but Konami really need to start focusing on next-gen systems to get the best out of the PES franchise and up the graphics once again.
chinaman
30-08-2008, 20:24
singey, cheers for the reply. I respect your opinion but what many pes fans keep going on about is fifa current generation.
I am talking about NEXT GEN!!!! ps3/xbox360.
I was referring to FIFA 09 on the Xbox 360. I downloaded the trailer off the Marketplace and watched it, the grass and stadium etc looked perfect but the player's body's looked awful again. Completely disproportionate, if the gameplay is great then I can't see it affecting my overall opinion on the game much then but I'm simply saying that the player's body's are terrible.
PES 2008 player models had just about the correct body proportions and the players looked human size. However what ruined it was the "added gloss" that Konami put on them to make them seem like shiny dolls. However the player's body proportions were still spot on.
Have a look at your latest post which says pes models are better.Is that not pure fanboysim?...when the fifa 09 screenshots and videos clearly show that the player models in fifa 09 are better than in pes 09. And the latest review of fifa 09 from a certain ps3 mag has given it 9/10 when it gave fifa 08 6/10 last year and pro evo 08 9/10. What do you say to that?
Not fanboyism at all. It's facts. To say that even player models look vbetter in Fifa is just pure fanboyism. I already PROOVED that I'm not a fanboy because I admit anything and this year Fofa is really good like Pes. Also I was the one to say that the stadiums are better in fifa but the player models are not.
chinaman
30-08-2008, 22:19
Hunter, maybe you were using the wrong camera view when playing the game. Should use dynamic. If not, then there I feel sorry for you dude that you just can't see that the player models are perfectly fine...
Have a look at your latest post which says pes models are better.Is that not pure fanboysim?...when the fifa 09 screenshots and videos clearly show that the player models in fifa 09 are better than in pes 09. And the latest review of fifa 09 from a certain ps3 mag has given it 9/10 when it gave fifa 08 6/10 last year and pro evo 08 9/10. What do you say to that?
If FIFA09 Player Models are so good (as you say) -then- why do they look like Retarded Mutants?? Seriously, is that supposed to "Look" Realistic??
I am Definitely Not a Fanboy, and although it's still an Opinion.. I think that PES09 Player Models are clearly better than FIFA's.
EA Sport's EURO 2008?? Have you played this game? Have you Noticed that Black Players are Literally Black? So Dark that you can't even notice any Facial Details?? In my Opinion, Player Models in FIFA08 and EURO08 are plain embarrassing.. I didn't even bothered watching the replays the few Times I've played those games.
On the other hand, PES08 had some Impressive Player Models, Ronaldo was pretty impressive -and- yes players looked like Wax figures in PES08, but they still had some great Facial Details.
By the way, PES09 seems to have Finally sorted out How to use the Lighting properly.. wich resulted in Players No Longer looking wax-like.
FutebolArte
30-08-2008, 22:42
Hunter, maybe you were using the wrong camera view when playing the game. Should use dynamic. If not, then there I feel sorry for you dude that you just can't see that the player models are perfectly fine...
pes models look the same on all cameras
FutebolArte
30-08-2008, 22:43
If FIFA09 Player Models are so good (as you say) -then- why do they look like Retarded Mutants?? Seriously, is that supposed to "Look" Realistic??
I am Definitely Not a Fanboy, and although it's still an Opinion.. I think that PES09 Player Models are clearly better than FIFA's.
EA Sport's EURO 2008?? Have you played this game? Have you Noticed that Black Players are Literally Black? So Dark that you can't even notice any Facial Details?? In my Opinion, Player Models in FIFA08 and EURO08 are plain embarrassing.. I didn't even bothered watching the replays the few Times I've played those games.
On the other hand, PES08 had some Impressive Player Models, Ronaldo was pretty impressive -and- yes players looked like Wax figures in PES08, but they still had some great Facial Details.
By the way, PES09 seems to have Finally sorted out How to use the Lighting properly.. wich resulted in Players No Longer looking wax-like.
chinese people don't know bout no black people... :no:
chinaman
30-08-2008, 23:36
pes models look the same on all cameras
yeh they look current generation.
i cant be asked to explain anymore. You'd probably say a piece of turd is better than fifa due to your bias. The only good graphics on pes are the faces. The player models all look th esame. Shorts are repelled by a magnet around the player's legs. There's no texture/detail on it, no creases. Everyone looks shiny ,which is bad enough.
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2007/261/938663_20070919_screen001.jpg
tell me what is wrong with this player model from fifa 08 ps3? It's perfect.
http://www.consolemonster.com/media/0000000835/screenshots/0000000835-L-081ccad.jpg
Now look at the pro evo 08 ones, they look so basic, so bland, so lifeless, no textures on the shirts, and each player looks the same apart from the face.
FutebolArte
30-08-2008, 23:40
grafix shmafix... I want gameplay homeboy...
yeh they look current generation.
i cant be asked to explain anymore. You'd probably say a piece of turd is better than fifa due to your bias. The only good graphics on pes are the faces. The player models all look th esame. Shorts are repelled by a magnet around the player's legs. There's no texture/detail on it, no creases. Everyone looks shiny ,which is bad enough.
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2007/261/938663_20070919_screen001.jpg
tell me what is wrong with this player model from fifa 08 ps3? It's perfect.
http://www.consolemonster.com/media/0000000835/screenshots/0000000835-L-081ccad.jpg
Now look at the pro evo 08 ones, they look so basic, so bland, so lifeless, no textures on the shirts, and each player looks the same apart from the face.
Dude.. Every player in FIFA looks the same except for the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Kaka, Leo Messi, and a few other Super Stars.
PES haves a much larger Variety of Faces -so- apart from the Popular Super Stars, we still get to see some Proper Looking Average players. It's a shame they don't Edit the Classic Players.
And as for the FIFA pic, Somehow Wayne Rooney in FIFA08 does Not looks like Rooney.. I don't know, this is where it becomes a matter of Opinion.
And in my opinion, PES08's Ronaldinho resembles Ronaldinho quite well.. yes he looks similar to a Wax figure -but- the Facial Details are good. Although, poor use of the Lighting.
Anyways, I don't like How Rooney looks in that Pic, he just doesn't looks "Normal".
chinaman
30-08-2008, 23:46
grafix shmafix... I want gameplay homeboy...
lol a pes fan was going on about pes having better player models. Well Ive found two screenshots of player models from the internet and clearly fifa has the better player models too.
And of course fifa 09 has the better gameplay as shown countless times. You probably are happy with your windows 95 too.
chinaman
30-08-2008, 23:49
Dude.. Every player in FIFA looks the same except for the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Kaka, Leo Messi, and a few other Super Stars.
Somehow, Wayne Rooney in FIFA08 does Not looks like Ronnay.. I don't know, this is where it becomes a matter of Opinion.
And in my opinion, PES08's Ronaldinho resembles Ronaldinho quite well.. yes he looks similar to a Wax figure -but- the Facial Details are good. Although, poor use of the Lighting.
Anyways, I don't like How Rooney looks in that Pic, he just doesn't looks "Normal".
I agree totally that his face looks messed up, but you were talking about playere models. The player model is the body and shirt and boots and face. Fifa 08 wins on all acounts apart from the face, which can be fixed. But the player models as proven are superior on fia 08, and no matter how much you want to believe that the pes models are better, the reality is, they arent.
One thing about the FIFA sceens in comparison to the PES is that the formers players look like their standing on green concrete as the studs are visible when standing at all times whereas the latters behave similar to reality, i.e. the studs pierce the ground.....
thats me just being pedantic tho ;)
chinaman
30-08-2008, 23:51
http://news.softpedia.com/images/extra/large/fifa08news_002-large.jpg
And look at the screenshot above, no every player definitely does not look the same. Look at the shirt details, etc.
chinaman
30-08-2008, 23:53
One thing about the FIFA sceens in comparison to the PES is that the formers players look like their standing on green concrete as the studs are visible when standing at all times whereas the latters behave similar to reality, i.e. the studs pierce the ground.....
thats me just being pedantic tho ;)
haha likewise, I could say that pes players' feet are digging into the ground as you often see part of their foot disappear into the ground when they strike the ball.
And in real life, studs don't dig completely into the ground, otherwise you would find it difficult to run. They provide grip.
I dunno how much football you play in real life, but when I play the studs leave a mark in the turf, hence them breaking the surface of the ground......
Conversely, studs not piercing the ground at all must mean the person must have some David Blaine type levitation skills....
chinaman
31-08-2008, 00:01
I play a lot of football actually and yes pierre, they do leave a mark in the turf, but what I am saying is that they dont petrude 100% into the ground. If that was the case, imagine how hard it would be to get them out. Obviously the softer/wetter the pitch the more they dig into the ground, so on a really wet surface it would go 100% into th ground but on a dry normal surface, it would dig in enough to provide grip. I mean, you are playing on turf, not mud.
Anyway, you are now picking on another thing from fifa