View Full Version : Would this be legal for KONAMI to do?
Let's say you have a edit mode where you can change everything about a team player and logo.
Next you have these parts that make up a logo. For instance When you look at F.C Barcelona's logo you can see it has color, it has a Kinda of England flag in there and so on.
Would it be legal to put these things in separately in the game somewhere in the edit mode, so we can add them our self to a whole, to make it a complete logo?
The parts have to be more than just 4 pieces. It should not be noticeable.
That way we can poop on the license
I'm sure they would be allowed to do this, they did with the boot editor a few years back didn't they. We could make Nike Vapors, Diadoras etc I think, so it was obvious what Konami were aiming to do. Maybe they received a telling off for it, but I can't really see this being the case.
muzza798
10-07-2008, 01:29
Why do people care so much about boots for. the ones they have are good enough. I thought the kits were what mattered
I just think people would like options. I know I would, plus I can't imagine it being too hard to implement a boot editor, considering they've had it several times in the past. It just allows the gamer to further personalise players and make them more life-like by giving them the correct boots etc. Obviously the kits matter, but why can't we have both an extensive boot editor and kit editor ? On the PS2 back in the day, I'm sure there was around 40 templates for kits, and we could mix and match them to our desire, now though on the "next-gen" versions, only a choice of 15 is available which is dreadful.
I just think people would like options. I know I would, plus I can't imagine it being too hard to implement a boot editor, considering they've had it several times in the past. It just allows the gamer to further personalise players and make them more life-like by giving them the correct boots etc. Obviously the kits matter, but why can't we have both an extensive boot editor and kit editor ? On the PS2 back in the day, I'm sure there was around 40 templates for kits, and we could mix and match them to our desire, now though on the "next-gen" versions, only a choice of 15 is available which is dreadful.
You know...If this isn't illegal, why doesn't SEABASS include it in the game?You said on the ps2 there were 40 kits? probably made by fans right? Then why can't SEABASS do it? He knows people have been complaining. Or is it just because it's to hard to create this and to put in the game?
shankly is god
10-07-2008, 03:33
I think its a case of they give you an editor and you can do what you want they (konami) take no responsibility of what we the fans do.....remember in pes5 we could make what ever we wanted I for one made the lpool logo and kits called the satium anfield etc so i kno thats illegal because konami didint have the liscence for that but i wanted them so i made them...... thats my price..
PESFan92
10-07-2008, 11:10
You know...If this isn't illegal, why doesn't SEABASS include it in the game?You said on the ps2 there were 40 kits? probably made by fans right? Then why can't SEABASS do it? He knows people have been complaining. Or is it just because it's to hard to create this and to put in the game?
The fact is KONAMI are to lazy to look at these forms, hell they hardly change the game every year. The Champions League is a huge boost. KONAMI should go back to "Old" Edit Mode.
Why do people care so much about boots for. the ones they have are good enough. I thought the kits were what mattered
I don't think it is a case of people caring too much about boots. The issue here is that in the PES versions for PS2 we had a better Edit Mode, and we could create Boots such as; Vapors, Adidas, Diadoras, Puma, etc..
By plain logic, people where expecting much more from the PS3 versions of PES. I mean, if we could create awesome Logos, Kits, and Boots in the PS2 versions -then- logically, we expected an even better Edit Mode for PES08.
And obviously, the PS3 can manage much better Edit Modes than the ones we had back in the PS2 versions. So even if the boots we have already in PES08 "are good enough" -there's- nothing that can justify WHY we had such a crappy Editing Mode in a PS3 game.
If this is Next Gen -then- I prefer the Old Gen.
cescf4bregas
10-07-2008, 15:18
i thought the editing modes in the previous pro evo's was brilliant, i found it quite fun lol
100% legal.
KCET used to put dummy kits on for every team on the old ISS Pro games. So the kits ended up looking like the real thing but not quite the same as the real ones.
I think the reason why they got away with it was because the graphics on the old PS1 made the kits look a little fuzzy so you could not make out the fine details such as the team logo and the kit supplier (Nike, Adidas etc).
They could do it easily if they wanted to.
i found it strange how on the odl PES's the fake names were close, like ronaldo was ronnaldo, and then all of a sudden he was like ranoldid or something stupid what was all that about.
the 2pots about boots, he is clearly just giving an example of what the thread creator is asking hes not "caring so much about boots" but providing a terrific example of what the thread is asknig for, i was gonna provide that example until i started reading and saw the chap already had.
who ever figured out how to make the vapours must of stumbled on it by accident though, it wasnt complicated but it wasnt that obvious either!a rare example of konami been smart!
wyy dont they just give us a boot/kit editor where we have a all the tools of MS PAINT so we can just draw what we want on them
i found it strange how on the odl PES's the fake names were close, like ronaldo was ronnaldo, and then all of a sudden he was like ranoldid or something stupid what was all that about.
the 2pots about boots, he is clearly just giving an example of what the thread creator is asking hes not "caring so much about boots" but providing a terrific example of what the thread is asknig for, i was gonna provide that example until i started reading and saw the chap already had.
who ever figured out how to make the vapours must of stumbled on it by accident though, it wasnt complicated but it wasnt that obvious either!a rare example of konami been smart!
wyy dont they just give us a boot/kit editor where we have a all the tools of MS PAINT so we can just draw what we want on them
Don't know if there are any BIG fans of Classic Players here -but- I would greatly appreciate if Konami uses that same concept to unlock Classic Players faces.
For example, with the Boots you could create Nike Vapors or Puma Legends by doing a series of combinations, etc, etc.. So I think the same could be done to create (in this case "unlock") exact copies of the faces of some of the greatest players of all-time; Maradona, Cruijff, Pele, etc, etc..
And yeah, Konami can be very smart when they feel like it. I just hope they include something "smart" in PES09.
it must be illegal, that is probably why forums such as this are told by the FA that they can not make option files available for download that contain the premier league kits.
is it legal for me to make a t-shirt with a nike logo on it? of course not!
it must be illegal, that is probably why forums such as this are told by the FA that they can not make option files available for download that contain the England League kits.
is it legal for me to make a t-shirt with a nike logo on it? of course not!
What you are saying is not what i meant. Making a tshirt with a nike logo on it and SELL it would be illegal. But if you have half the logo then it wouldn't. KONAMI can put the parts in separately and say they are logo's. But a edit mode would make it possible to combine or blend and that's up to the players.
shankly is god
11-07-2008, 14:02
it wouldnt be illigal if it was persoanl use..only when you make money from it would it then be illegal.
What you are saying is not what i meant. Making a tshirt with a nike logo on it and SELL it would be illegal. But if you have half the logo then it wouldn't. KONAMI can put the parts in separately and say they are logo's. But a edit mode would make it possible to combine or blend and that's up to the players.
I never mentioned selling anything, so why you have added that part in I am not sure!
I think you will probably find that making a copy of anything that is copyrighted is illegal, however you are more likely to be prosecuted if you are doing it for financial gain!
To suggest that putting two halves of a copyrighted logo is little short of ludicrous, do you think that anybody standing in court could deny the real intention of that one?!
The work will have to be done by the guys that enjoy doing such things ( I graciously tip my hat to those aforementioned gentleman) but I agree totaly that the ability to do so should be present within the game.
I never mentioned selling anything, so why you have added that part in I am not sure!
I think you will probably find that making a copy of anything that is copyrighted is illegal, however you are more likely to be prosecuted if you are doing it for financial gain!
To suggest that putting two halves of a copyrighted logo is little short of ludicrous, do you think that anybody standing in court could deny the real intention of that one?!
The work will have to be done by the guys that enjoy doing such things ( I graciously tip my hat to those aforementioned gentleman) but I agree totaly that the ability to do so should be present within the game.
I think shankly is god already answered your question
it wouldnt be illigal if it was persoanl use..only when you make money from it would it then be illegal.
CaptainCabinet
11-07-2008, 19:31
I love how, clearly, everyone obviously knows about all the restrictions placed by the contracts signed by FIFA, the FA, Konami etc.
I love how, clearly, everyone obviously knows about all the restrictions placed by the contracts signed by FIFA, the FA, Konami etc.
Yeah tell us more, or is it a secret?
Yeah tell us more, or is it a secret?
I know nothing of their contracts, but google 'copyright law' and you might get a clue about the general subject.
As I started, sites such as this would be able to host edited option files without the FA getting involved unless they had a legal right to stop them doing so, even when the file is shared freely. this is not just opinion but a fact
zeemeister
12-07-2008, 06:54
Like CC said there are copyright laws in place that we do not understand. Take for example the names of towns or places. In pes 2 you could make a team with the commentary name Manchester. Konami had to remove it though as a result of the F.A./EA agreement.
kirby0079
12-07-2008, 08:21
hey 2-face, just wanted to ask, r u nigerian?
stottmeister
23-08-2008, 12:18
i just skimmed thru this thread so if someone already said this then sorry, my idea is why don't konami go to nike and adidas and puma and so on and get them to license all their kit types for the upcoming year. i mean like if you look at nike goalie tops they are all the same this time out just different colours. last year, the adidas tops were all similar. liverpool and chelsea as an example. then they could let you edit the colour and possibly the logo's in the way you were saying.
Like CC said there are copyright laws in place that we do not understand. Take for example the names of towns or places. In pes 2 you could make a team with the commentary name Manchester. Konami had to remove it though as a result of the F.A./EA agreement.
its difficult to obey such a shi* law, so long as it doesnt say Manchester United or Man U it should be fine, Manchester is a place and surely it would be down to the council there to restrict its use, and even then they shouldnt be able to. im sure i read that dickface Paris Hilton copyrighted "her saying" of "thats cool" or something stupid, its two fecking words that are an everyday occurance in the english language how the hell can you copyright such a thing. the only sensible copyrights are those that state it is against the law to copy music/games ect or plagarise and so on....
I love how people are talking about "personal use" and how it's "only illegal if you sell it on" - we're talking about logos and designs like they're drugs...but yeah, I'm pretty sure they'd be allowed to divide up the logos and designs and then let us put them together - Nike can't copyright half the swoosh symbol, as an example.
proevofan88
23-08-2008, 19:10
Let's say you have a edit mode where you can change everything about a team player and logo.
Next you have these parts that make up a logo. For instance When you look at F.C Barcelona's logo you can see it has color, it has a Kinda of England flag in there and so on.
Would it be legal to put these things in separately in the game somewhere in the edit mode, so we can add them our self to a whole, to make it a complete logo?
The parts have to be more than just 4 pieces. It should not be noticeable.
That way we can poop on the license
well the league will be licensed....it wont be called LA LIGA tho but it will have the teams...so no need to edit.
well the league will be licensed....it wont be called LA LIGA tho but it will have the teams...so no need to edit.
Unless you know SeaBass personally, I find this ridiculously hard to believe. Not having a dig mate, but there's been far too many people confirming that La Liga won't be licensed.
FutebolArte
23-08-2008, 20:47
it wouldnt be illigal if it was persoanl use..only when you make money from it would it then be illegal.
HA!!! I've been saying that about weed for years... LEGALIZE IT
Kristoff1875
23-08-2008, 21:26
Surely Konami can have Nike, adidas, puma etc licences in the game as with the balls. Why can't they put the logos on shirts? I'm sure they could.
I love how people are talking about "personal use" and how it's "only illegal if you sell it on" - we're talking about logos and designs like they're drugs...but yeah, I'm pretty sure they'd be allowed to divide up the logos and designs and then let us put them together - Nike can't copyright half the swoosh symbol, as an example.
Personally, I can't see where the comparison with drugs has come from? :unsure:
For a start, drugs are a tangible substance which can cause serious harm to someone.
The "personal use" thing is a valid benefit of copyright law. It allows the consumer to buy a legitimate copy of a film/music/game and then make a backup copy for themselves as long as they don't sell on the original or the backup copy.
I think what's being mentioned in this thread regarding kits and logo editing are more to do with modding the game and making a backup copy.
Don't quote me on this but I do think that it should be perfectly legal to edit kits and logos in PES so that you can get life-like likenesess as long as you keep the modded version of the game to yourself - same as with most media and entertainment products.
I know I've probably said it a couple of times, but..
Would it be Legal for Konami to Feature the "Classic Players" with their Usual Random Names -BUT- with their Real Faces??
They have done it in the past with German players; random names and random (cheap looking) faces are their Default Settings -but- their real faces can be found in the Edit Mode.. I'm just wondering IF Konami can do the same with the Classic Players, and would it be Legal?
If so, I would really like to see some of the Greatest Players Yet in High Def Graphics. Although Unimportant from a certain point of view, it is increasingly Important that Players in Football Sims (and Sports Sim games in general) Look like their real-life counterparts.
In this case, Classic Players SHOULD look like their real-life counterparts used to look. Even if their Default Settings consist of Random Faces and Random Names, maybe Konami can include their Real Faces somewhere in the Edit Mode.
But anyways, does anyone knows if this is 100% Legal??
Brendever
25-08-2008, 15:27
Konami should be able to put their old edit version of the game. I'm pretty sure you can't copyright, let's say Sporting CP's lion,Lyon's "O"+"L", Hull City's tigers and so on.
The local team names can't be copyrighted as well, no one is going to sue me because I wrote "I want to go to Liverpool" on a book, for God's sake.
My opinion is that YES,it is legal
As lots of people said, you can't use all the symbols together,though, copyright law forbids it. As well as Liverpool FC on commentary. That's copyright law, not everything stated above this sentence and below the last post.
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