View Full Version : The Always Disappointing "Classic Players".
I know The priority of Konami has always been (with the exception of PES08) the gameplay -however- after playing PES4, PES5, and PES6 -I- cannot help but wonder WHY Konami still hasn't included a single "Classic Player" with his real-life face.
I know it's not a huge deal, but in my opinion it is disappointing to see that players such as Peter Crouch have spot-on (customized) faces -while- on the other hand, all-time greats such as Pele and Maradona have random faces that aren't even slightly similar to their real-life counterparts.
So I'm just curious.. Why is that?? Konami needs some Licenses they don't have?? Or Konami simply doesn't takes the time to at least customize the Classic Players?
I'm just wondering, because even if Konami (for whatever the reason) can't have players named as "Diego Maradona" or "Pele" or "Johan Cruijff" -I- think that customizing their faces would please some fans -as- we can easily change the names ourselves.
And by the way, I also noticed that EA Sport's FIFA has featured a "Classic XI" team in their latest games (FIFA07 and FIFA08) -and- the Cassic XI team includes; Franco Baresi, Franz Beckenbauer, Zico, Gheorge Hagi, Eric Cantona, and a few others.
So, NOT even EA Sports has managed to include the Classic Players that people really want to see; Diego Maradona, Pele, Johan Cruijff, Alfredo Di Stefano, Garrincha, Roberto Baggio, George Best, Bobby Moore, Eusebio, Zinedine Zidane, Michel Platini, Carlos Valderrama, Fernando Hierro, etc, etc..
I think it is because of Licenses.. but I'm not sure, and I certainly don't have any FACTS to confirm that -So- any reliable information about this would be appreciated.
Anyways, I made this Post; Firstly because I wanted to know if someone knows WHY is this. Secondly, to see what some of you think about this -and- Mainly, because I wanted to post my own Solution to this Unimportant Issue.
My Alternative is this.. If anyone can remember PES4, PES5 or PES6 -then- you'll be familiar with the Editing Modes and with the FACT that we could create Boots such as; Nike Vapors, Puma Legends, Uhlsports, Diadoras, Asics, etc, etc..
So I think a simple ALTERNATIVE to this Issue could be done by using the same concept of the "Boot Editing". For Example, unlocking a Classic Player's Face by doing a series of combinations (similar to the ones we had with the Editing of the Boots).
This way, even if Maradona is some Argentine named "Arjona" and haves some random face -We- can "unlock" Maradona's face by doing a particular series of combinations between different noses, eyes, lips, cheeks, hairstyles, etc, etc..
I think this would be a good and simple alternative to that small issue, and it would also be a New Feature to the Editing Mode.
lol screw you dick head
also. zico, baresi and beckenbauer are 3 of the best ever players so stop your bitching
I've only played with classic players since they've been available, in one ML....
That's 5 or 6 different games, dozens of MLs and only one had classics...
It's fun to see their stats and all, but I don't actually use them....
.:jester:.
24-10-2008, 23:50
tbh unless they're are in a classic XI team then i dont see the point in them, at least fifa make use of em.
do you have any idea how much money Maradona demands to have his likeness in a video game?
are you aware of the copyrite laws you are asking Konami to infringe by having them put in spot on faces for pele, maradona etc. but change their names?
you are an idiot. if you want this done then send konami at least 10 million euros.
proevofan88
25-10-2008, 00:36
lol why dont u guys calm down? he posts about classic players all the time, he likes it and so be it. No need to crazy on him because of that.
anyway, never was a big deal to me with classic players but it certainly not hurt to have them in the game
does anyone no if te brazilian Ronaldo is in the game as a classic player?
The only "Dick Heads" and "Idiots" in here are you guys, what?? Did you think Konami had a License to have exact Copies of Nike Vapors??
Well, NO they didn't had a License for that -and- yet, they (somehow) managed to get them Nike Vapors into the game.. They did the same with other Boots as well.
So it is quite simple to be honest, they create some Distorted Faces of Zidane, Pele, Maradona, etc, etc.. They give them random Names, random Hairstyles, etc, etc.. This way, we would have to Tweak with the Faces ourselves, change the Dimensions, change the Hairstyles -until- we can finally achieve spot on versions of themselves.
Just like we did with the Nike Vapors.
By the way, Konami still had the Faces of Roy Keane, Dennis Bergkamp, Zinedine Zidane, and a few others -AFTER- they had Retired. Roberto Baggio is a Retired player, Valderrama is another retired player, Maradona is another retired player, etc, etc..
How can they feature Zinedine Zidane's Face -but- not Maradona's?? If anything, the only player who would actually charge for this would be Pele and Maradona -but- they could easily feature Roberto Baggio, Romario, Beckenbauer, Johan Cruijff, and the rest of them. Of course, Not with their Names, but Who would care as long as they have their Proper Faces.
Most of you don't care about Classic Players -and- that's fine with me.. But as a Long Time Football Fan, I would like to have spot on versions of the greatest exponents of Football. This way I can create a decent looking All-Time XI.
And lastly, I don't know Why I even take the Time to argue with Kids who can only come up with comments such as "Dick Head" and "Idiot". I mean, was it nessesary?
ibrarocks
25-10-2008, 11:06
I'm PES player since 1998 (it was ISS back than), but this year I chose FIFA over PES. I always had Classic Players in my ML team. I'm a big fan of Legends. On FIFA, the faces are spot on in Classic XI, BUT there only 15/16 players. Your idea is great, but I doubt Konami will add it, cause there few people, like us, who loves to use legends.
I'm PES player since 1998 (it was ISS back than), but this year I chose FIFA over PES. I always had Classic Players in my ML team. I'm a big fan of Legends. On FIFA, the faces are spot on in Classic XI, BUT there only 15/16 players. Your idea is great, but I doubt Konami will add it, cause there few people, like us, who loves to use legends.
I think the Reason why so much people don't care about "Classic Players" -is- because, lets be honest, Classic Players look crappy with their random Faces. It makes the game Look and Feel Cheap.
I think it would be completely Different if the likes of Pele and Maradona actually looked like themselves, then we would probably have a lot of fans creating their own All-Time XI Teams.
Wich I kind of find odd.. I mean, any self-respecting Football Fan would love to play Maradona with Pele, with Cruijff, with Romario, with Eusebio, with Baggio, etc, etc..
The Boring part is that it always works, it would be far more pleasing if the game provided more of a challenge in terms of Team Selection/Team Chemistry.
As for Classic Teams vs the Realism of the game, In this aspect I couldn't care less about the Realism of the Game -as- I'm more interested in creating All-Time Teams, and then mixing them altogether with Modern Teams.
By the way, you said you're going to play FIFA09 this year, for How Long have you played FIFA09?? Maybe you might find yourself buying PES09 in a week or two.
If so, I'm pretty good at creating accurate versions of Classic Players in PES, not Identical, but fairly accurate. So if you get to play PES09 for whatever the reason, I can Post a few of the ones I've managed to create.
Guys.. behave yourselfs. They can't even get the current players faces right (I mean the majority of players have fake faces. The players wth real faces look quality). There are not enough licensed players in the game without them worrying about a bunch of classic. I agree if they had implemented these players, then I wouldn't grumble. More the merrier, but I would rather have real current players faces then classic. Just a waste of memory in my opinion. I mean, they have classic fuckin Germany, but the current German team is all fake. Konami aint got a bloody clue.
Guys.. behave yourselfs. They can't even get the current players faces right (I mean the majority of players have fake faces. The players wth real faces look quality). There are not enough licensed players in the game without them worrying about a bunch of classic. I agree if they had implemented these players, then I wouldn't grumble. More the merrier, but I would rather have real current players faces then classic. Just a waste of memory in my opinion. I mean, they have classic fuckin Germany, but the current German team is all fake. Konami aint got a bloody clue.
Yeah, you'd rather have a LOT of average players -instead- of the Most Influential Football Players yet.. I'm sorry, but that's BS.
Waste of memory?? The UEFA Champions League being a Separate Mode.
But yeah, Classic Players aren't really a Priority -although- I'd rather have Pele and Maradona with their Real Faces over ANY of the current players.
Well sorry to piss on ya bombfire mate, but it aint gonna happen.
I never said jackshit about the CL... But that is a move in the right direction.
Why live in the past mate, you need to move on.
Well sorry to piss on ya bombfire mate, but it aint gonna happen.
I never said jackshit about the CL... But that is a move in the right direction.
Why live in the past mate, you need to move on.
It's not about living in the Past.. it's just about Recreating something you'd like to see, for example Pele and Maradona playing on the same Team, simply seeing and playing as a "Fantastic" Team.
Still, even if Classic Players had their proper faces, it would be Impossible to have a Realistic Simulation of How it would (or should) turn out.
The current set of Stats and Special Abilities is very Outdated -and- we still cannot create accurate versions of Extraordinary players such as; Pele, Maradona, Cruijff, Valderrama, Riquelme, Zidane, Romario, Van Nistelrooy, etc, etc..
We still don't have real TEAMS, we don't have Team Chemistry, we don't have Player Tendencies, etc, etc.. The team with the better players usually wins.
And we all know that it isn't all about playing Kaka, with Leo Messi, with Cristiano Ronaldo, with Fernando Torres, with Ibrahimovich, etc, etc..
A TEAM is a much more Interesting and complicated thing, I think Konami would provide us with a better challenge if they actually Introduced something New into the game.
Maybe, a few New Stats and Special Abilities, a New Feature such as Player Tendencies. Something that can challenge us into making and dealing with a Realistic TEAM -rather- than just having Stats determining How good a TEAM is or should be.
Anyways, considering that, even if all the players had their proper Faces; Pele, Maradona, Cruijff, everyone.. I still would not "Feel" the Differences between them, I still would not feel certain Restrictions that should be in the game.
So basically, you get a better range of Differences between players in PES, as in FIFA every player feels more or less Identical.
But still, the current set of Stats and Special Abilities available in PES isn't nearly enough to cover for Unique players such as the ones I've already mentioned. So again, considering this, I don't really care about Classic Players with their proper Faces for Now.
If anything, I can Already create fairly accurate versions of the Legends I want.. But still, I'm just saying, I don't see what's so hard about Including the greatest exponents of Football in a Football Sim.
I mean, that just sounds Logical to me -Any- Next Gen Football Sim should feature Maradona, Pele, Cruijff, Zidane, and the rest of them. Just like any Boxing game should feature Muhamad Ali as an unlockable character.
Although Like I said, even if Classic Players where Fully Edited, it would be like driving a Ferrari with a Honda motor. It just looks the part, but doesn't "feels" like it.
I totally agree. This should be something we shouldn;t need to ask for. They should get rid of the fuckin Japs & the Korean team. I mean, who in Europe actually plays with those 2 anyway? Just a waste of time them creating all those asian faces. They all look the fuckin same anyway.
I totally agree. This should be something we shouldn;t need to ask for. They should get rid of the fuckin Japs & the Korean team. I mean, who in Europe actually plays with those 2 anyway? Just a waste of time them creating all those asian faces. They all look the fuckin same anyway.
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No faces for classic players 'cos dumbass kids these days haven't got a slightest idea who is Batistuta, Romario, Matthaeus, Baresi... And the game itself is, unfortunatlly, meant especially for them - Dumbass kids. That's why KONAMI won't bother with the greatness of classic ones.
I totally agree. This should be something we shouldn;t need to ask for. They should get rid of the fuckin Japs & the Korean team. I mean, who in Europe actually plays with those 2 anyway? Just a waste of time them creating all those asian faces. They all look the fuckin same anyway.
Bit rasistic but quite right.
.:jester:.
26-10-2008, 09:47
I totally agree. This should be something we shouldn;t need to ask for. They should get rid of the fuckin Japs & the Korean team. I mean, who in Europe actually plays with those 2 anyway? Just a waste of time them creating all those asian faces. They all look the fuckin same anyway.
not being funny but seeing as konami are an asian company, i think they have every right to put in the japanese team etc. and plus how is getting rid of those teams going to make it easier to create the legends?
LostHorizon
26-10-2008, 09:58
I remember picking up zidane, platini and baggio either in PES6 or 08, my juve was invincible! Anyway, what they need is to join forces with football manager. will be the best game ever!
not being funny but seeing as konami are an asian company, i think they have every right to put in the japanese team etc. and plus how is getting rid of those teams going to make it easier to create the legends?
What I meant is rather than spending all that time creating those realistic Japanese & Korean players faces, who I doubt anyone here actually pays attention to (I may be wrong) they could spend more time on focusing on classic players.
I didn't say it would make the game better.
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Blow me!!!
Understand what you mean by the faces, but what I would really like to see is Konami put in classic CLUB teams, just like the national teams. i.e Classic Man Utd, Classic Liverpool, Barca, Real Madrid, Juve, bayern etc etc It would give a place to put these players instead of unlocking lists of the players, you would unlock the teams instead.
It could be teams for a club's whole history or just for a specific era such as Man Utd 1997-2001, AC Milan 1990-1995 or Liverpool 1977-1981. Shame that Konami doesnt listen to their fans much ....
BTW, What happened to the PES shop (PS3), does that mean I have to win the trophies to unlock stuff, cos thats way too long ....
lexandro
26-10-2008, 14:12
Frankly I couldnt care less if the Classic players and teams were dropped from the game entirely. Imo the classic players are simply a nice add-on that is not even required. All this bitching and moaning about how they dont have life like faces is a joke. Since when did graphics make a game? It doesnt matter how flashy or fancy pants a game looks if it plays like crap. PES09 is head and shoulders above last years shambles especially now that online actually works properly (most of the time).
I see it as a total waste of time and resources that could be spent in other areas to improve the game than have classics at all let alone have them lifelike.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong as I haven't checked but can't you edit the appearance of the classic players just as you can with the normal ones?
If so then all you need is Krook's fantastic "Ultimate Classic Player Thread" http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=27490&highlight=ultimate+classic+pla yer
This has better appearances and stats for most classic players, along with ones which are not in the game created from scratch.
For example, a better version of Pele:
PELE
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Better App.
Appearance-
Head-
Face: Build Face
Skin Col: 4
Head H: +1
Head W: -1
Position: 0
Brows: 16/-3/-1/+3
Eyes: 29/0/-2/0/+2/2/Black 2
Nose: 3/+2/+2
Cheeks: 3/+1
Mouth: 9/0/0
Jaw: 1/+2/+1
Hairstyle-
Type: Special
Shape: 46
Hair Colour-
Type: Pattern
Pattern: 8
Facial Hair-
Type: 108
Colour: 8
Hope this helps you.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong as I haven't checked but can't you edit the appearance of the classic players just as you can with the normal ones?
If so then all you need is Krook's fantastic "Ultimate Classic Player Thread" http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=27490&highlight=ultimate+classic+pla yer
This has better appearances and stats for most classic players, along with ones which are not in the game created from scratch.
For example, a better version of Pele:
Hope this helps you.
Really appreciate that you're trying to help -but- I can create much better faces, its much better to use Real Faces, for example, Luka Modric's Face makes a fairly accurate version of Johan Cruijff.
In my opinion, "Build Faces" always look Cheap no matter why.. But if you take some Real Faces, such as Luka Modric's, and you tweak with the Dimensions and Hairstyles, etc, etc.. you can achieve decent versions of Some Classic Players.
I haven't bought the game yet, but as soon as I get it I'll Post some Appearances. But thanks anyways.
dalechapman
26-10-2008, 18:51
i personally would rather see zico play than fernando hierro.
i personally would rather see zico play than fernando hierro.
I think most of them should be in the game.. Zico should definitely be in the game, as well as Fernando Hierro.
I think we have all gotten used to the "add one take one out" thing. Why would it be so hard to have Zico and Hierro in the same game?? Those are just 2 Faces, how hard can it be??
Frankly I couldnt care less if the Classic players and teams were dropped from the game entirely. Imo the classic players are simply a nice add-on that is not even required. All this bitching and moaning about how they dont have life like faces is a joke. Since when did graphics make a game? It doesnt matter how flashy or fancy pants a game looks if it plays like crap. PES09 is head and shoulders above last years shambles especially now that online actually works properly (most of the time).
I see it as a total waste of time and resources that could be spent in other areas to improve the game than have classics at all let alone have them lifelike.
I respect your Opinion.. but I will be honest, I despise that king of thinking, WHY shouldn't they be included?? Because you don't know the 1st thing about Football?
I mean, How much Time do you think it takes to simply create a couple of Faces?? Including Classic Players with their proper faces would in no way, shape, or form -be- a waste of time, simply because it doesn't takes much time to do it.
Waste of Time?? Including a Separate Champions League Mode that isn't even Fully Licensed. That's a waste of time and money.
Since when did graphics make a game? Since we have Next Gen Consoles, that one was Obvious.
But whatever, if you want to Label things as a "waste of time", that's your opinion and your entitled to it. I just happen to think that type of thinking is restrictive and negative, a waste of time if you ask me.
lexandro
26-10-2008, 20:24
I respect your Opinion.. but I will be honest, I despise that king of thinking, WHY shouldn't they be included?? Because you don't know the 1st thing about Football?
Sorry but I am not some out of touch american kid who knows nothing of football. I played football for a junior team when I was younger and know my role very very well. I have followed the same team since I was a child and have attended plenty of matches in my time. I am infact a proud member of the Tartan Army and have traveled to watch my country play many times. I also regularly watch live matches, and highlights of club teams and nations.
I mean, How much Time do you think it takes to simply create a couple of Faces?? Including Classic Players with their proper faces would in no way, shape, or form -be- a waste of time, simply because it doesn't takes much time to do it.
Face scanning involves getting the rights to have them(the player) in the game for the devs, some players this is frankly impossible to do. Other simply wont allow there countanace to be in a computer game regardless of who makes it. Other request exorbatant fees that are simply a drain on resources that could be better spent elsewhere. The process itself also requires the subject to be present for an accurate face scan to be taken. This means making the subject available to get the scan which might be a busy time and impossible for them or one that they simply refuse to do.
Waste of Time?? Including a Separate Champions League Mode that isn't even Fully Licensed. That's a waste of time and money.
Agreed. I have no interest in playing the Champions League mode. I dont see the need for it at all tbh, its imo again a waste of time, effort and resources
Since when did graphics make a game? Since we have Next Gen Consoles, that one was Obvious.
Really this is a farsical statement. So called "next gen" consoles are actually THIS gen consoles, and all have coding and hardware limitations. Graphics alone will not and never will "make a game", we have already seen it many times before. Indeed we only have to take a glance at Crysis sales to seet that graphics do not gaurantee a good product. Crysis blows everything on consoles out of the water for graphics, but its gameplay is lacking and sales have suffered for it. Not only that but the Wii has outsold both 360 and PS3 and has last gen graphics hardware. There are people still playing on the PS2 who are happy with what they have.
But whatever, if you want to Label things as a "waste of time", that's your opinion and your entitled to it. I just happen to think that type of thinking is restrictive and negative, a waste of time if you ask me.
Realising where a games strengths are and seeing the need for improvements in them is a key factor in having a good franchise. There is nothing negative about pointing out where improvements can and should be made to improve the gameplay, and immersion of the game. But there is really no need to have every single player with a lifelike face, nor is it even possible to do by the devs.
You do also have the option I do believe to add in a scanned picture for a players face if you happen to have one so your not totally hamstrung from doing so. There had to be some limitations in what the devs can and do add due to budgets, time constraints, engine and hardware limitations, and availability.
I totally agree. This should be something we shouldn;t need to ask for. They should get rid of the fuckin Japs & the Korean team. I mean, who in Europe actually plays with those 2 anyway? Just a waste of time them creating all those asian faces. They all look the fuckin same anyway.
Racist pondlife. I was quite prepared to take your post and give you a reasonable reply. But a twat like you doesn't deserve a reply. Please fuck off.
Racist pondlife. I was quite prepared to take your post and give you a reasonable reply. But a twat like you doesn't deserve a reply. Please fuck off.
I love you too.
i still don't understand what all you guys are bitching about.
i use the classic players. me and my mates at uni make teams including the best current and classic players. for example, i have maradona and van basten up front, whereas one of my mates has pelé, eusebio and romario. but why would we give a crap that they don't look like they're supposed to when its been the same for years and obviously not going to chance because..............they're not licensed. like we all know. but its fun. the main point of video games.
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Don Sweey
27-10-2008, 08:46
I totally agree. This should be something we shouldn;t need to ask for. They should get rid of the fuckin Japs & the Korean team. I mean, who in Europe actually plays with those 2 anyway? Just a waste of time them creating all those asian faces. They all look the fuckin same anyway.
We don't tolerate racism. Idiot.
i still don't understand what all you guys are bitching about.
i use the classic players. me and my mates at uni make teams including the best current and classic players. for example, i have maradona and van basten up front, whereas one of my mates has pelé, eusebio and romario. but why would we give a crap that they don't look like they're supposed to when its been the same for years and obviously not going to chance because..............they're not licensed. like we all know. but its fun. the main point of video games.
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We don't tolerate unnecessary abusive language either. As I can't even work out which one member you ight be aiming your last line to, I'll assume everyone.
Sorry but I am not some out of touch american kid who knows nothing of football. I played football for a junior team when I was younger and know my role very very well. I have followed the same team since I was a child and have attended plenty of matches in my time. I am infact a proud member of the Tartan Army and have traveled to watch my country play many times. I also regularly watch live matches, and highlights of club teams and nations.
Face scanning involves getting the rights to have them(the player) in the game for the devs, some players this is frankly impossible to do. Other simply wont allow there countanace to be in a computer game regardless of who makes it. Other request exorbatant fees that are simply a drain on resources that could be better spent elsewhere. The process itself also requires the subject to be present for an accurate face scan to be taken. This means making the subject available to get the scan which might be a busy time and impossible for them or one that they simply refuse to do.
Agreed. I have no interest in playing the Champions League mode. I dont see the need for it at all tbh, its imo again a waste of time, effort and resources
Really this is a farsical statement. So called "next gen" consoles are actually THIS gen consoles, and all have coding and hardware limitations. Graphics alone will not and never will "make a game", we have already seen it many times before. Indeed we only have to take a glance at Crysis sales to seet that graphics do not gaurantee a good product. Crysis blows everything on consoles out of the water for graphics, but its gameplay is lacking and sales have suffered for it. Not only that but the Wii has outsold both 360 and PS3 and has last gen graphics hardware. There are people still playing on the PS2 who are happy with what they have.
Realising where a games strengths are and seeing the need for improvements in them is a key factor in having a good franchise. There is nothing negative about pointing out where improvements can and should be made to improve the gameplay, and immersion of the game. But there is really no need to have every single player with a lifelike face, nor is it even possible to do by the devs.
You do also have the option I do believe to add in a scanned picture for a players face if you happen to have one so your not totally hamstrung from doing so. There had to be some limitations in what the devs can and do add due to budgets, time constraints, engine and hardware limitations, and availability.
Fair enough.. although the part about being an "out of touch american kid who knows nothing of football" -is- way off. I played Football at Amateur Level, I still play Football every now and then, and I have to say I've played every position there is to play in Football.
Sadly, I was born in the wrong Country -and- my Laziness didn't match my skill. But regardless, I always have fun when playing wich is always useful.
As for "Graphics making a game".. Maybe I wasn't clear enough, NO Graphics alone will never make a good game -but- since we have Next Gen Consoles (still Next Gen as far as I'm concerned), people expect Both the Gameplay and the Graphics. This is Why we pay 500$ for a Next Gen Console.
And as for Classic Players, wich is the topic of this thread, Why would Classic Players looking properly be a waste of Time?? The way I see it, it wouldn't be a waste of time because it doesn't takes that much time to begin with.
Konami didn't had a License for featuring Nike Vapors in the older versions of PES -and- yet, they managed to feature Nike Vapors without the License. They could do the same with the Classic Players.
It isn't really important, it isn't a priority, but then again How hard can it be to Edit some 20 Faces?? I can guarantee Italian customers would prefer to see Roberto Baggio and Franco Baresi in full detail -rather- than having Alan Smith and Peter Crouch with spot on Faces.
That's all I'm saying.. I just don't see how such a simple thing can be considered a waste of time. In my opinion is just laziness from Konami's part.
They should know that seeing spot on versions of Peter Crouch and Robinho -and- then seeing the likes of Pele and Maradona looking all crappy.. that's just Diminishing. If that's How their going to include The Greatest Exponents of Football into the game -then- Why even bother??
It still is a waste of time to edit some Classic Players with crappy looking faces and Inaccurate Stats, even more so considering no one will bother using them.
Bottom Line?? I think proper Faces would give those "Classic Players" a purpose in the game, maybe Unlocking Pele or Maradona and actually using them, etc, etc.. It would definitely add more Value to the "PES shop" -and- it really doesn't takes much time to do.
I just don't see How it would Restrain the Development of the series.
Frankly I couldnt care less if the Classic players and teams were dropped from the game entirely. Imo the classic players are simply a nice add-on that is not even required. All this bitching and moaning about how they dont have life like faces is a joke. Since when did graphics make a game? It doesnt matter how flashy or fancy pants a game looks if it plays like crap. PES09 is head and shoulders above last years shambles especially now that online actually works properly (most of the time).
I see it as a total waste of time and resources that could be spent in other areas to improve the game than have classics at all let alone have them lifelike.
Right. Fuck graphics. Let's all go back to 2D gaming. Pac Man anyone?
do you have any idea how much money Maradona demands to have his likeness in a video game?
are you aware of the copyrite laws you are asking Konami to infringe by having them put in spot on faces for pele, maradona etc. but change their names?
you are an idiot. if you want this done then send konami at least 10 million euros.
Fuck Pele and Maradona! They are overrated anyway.
We don't tolerate racism. Idiot.
We don't tolerate unnecessary abusive language either. As I can't even work out which one member you ight be aiming your last line to, I'll assume everyone.
Fuck you, nerd! What 'bout your 'abusive language'? What's with that 'idiot' line?
222eddie
29-10-2008, 04:16
I never play online cuz i dont need to... I play this game with my homies all the time. We make our own teams with the best players NEW players and classic players is so much fun... PELE, MARADONA, GULLIT,EUSEBIO,RONALDO, etc... We bet money each goal is dolla !!! jaaaa
Fuck Pele and Maradona! They are overrated anyway.
And, you know absolutely Nothing about Football.. or at least you wouldn't recognize an "extraordinary" player if it hit you straight in the face.
Let me guess, Leo Messi and Ronaldo are better?? Maybe Cristiano Ronaldo and Kaka also? Or is Zinedine Zidane the greatest?
You should really keep those comments to yourself.
Right. Fuck graphics. Let's all go back to 2D gaming. Pac Man anyone?
Yeah, keep lying to yourself.
I never play online cuz i dont need to... I play this game with my homies all the time. We make our own teams with the best players NEW players and classic players is so much fun... PELE, MARADONA, GULLIT,EUSEBIO,RONALDO, etc... We bet money each goal is dolla !!! jaaaa
That's great, I always want to play Tournaments in wich the Champions pockets some 20$ or so -but- my friends are just stingy, cannot do anything Money oriented with them. Online will never beat playing at Home with your mates.
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