View Full Version : FIFA looks better than PES
rai4manu
10-07-2008, 12:16
Yes, FIFA looks better than PES but PES just plays better!
I am from sub-continet and I am not an expert in football but I like to play football games on my consoles. I started playing PES series by playing PES 5 and I also played FIFA whenever a new game comes out but to my conclusion:
FIFA:
Presentation: 7/10
Graphics: 8/10
Gameplay: 3/10
Ball Physics: 5/10
Players movement: 5/10
PES:
Presentation: 5/10
Graphics: 6/10
Gameplay: 9/10
Ball Physics: 8/10
Players movement: 7/10
I think PES should also make some changes in menu and player selection screens because it is almost the same in every game since I am playing i.e. PES 09
Your comments?
I think player appearances in PES are way better than FIFA.
I would have given fifa's gameplay a higher score. About graphics, I don't know what people are seeing in FIFA. They're both good. Fifa has awesome looking stadiums while PES has awesome life like players. From a distance PES looks better also. I saw side by side comparisons, both game were played from a far camera angle on an HDTV @720p.
o0oGedo0o
10-07-2008, 13:40
gameplay 3/10 ?? that's funny.
ThierryHenry14
10-07-2008, 13:55
OP you talkin about Fifa 08?
Rkid005uk
10-07-2008, 14:30
I agree the presentation of PES is shocking, it is reminiscent of the N64 version still. ALl very Japanesse. Take a look at Tiger WOods, the presentation is awesome, what next Gen games should look like.
Effort!!!!
ThierryHenry14
10-07-2008, 14:35
Yes, FIFA looks better than PES but PES just plays better!
I am from sub-continet and I am not an expert in football but I like to play football games on my consoles. I started playing PES series by playing PES 5 and I also played FIFA whenever a new game comes out but to my conclusion:
FIFA:08
Presentation: 8/10
Graphics: 8/10
Gameplay: 8.5/10
Ball Physics: 8/10
Players movement: 7/10
PES:2008
Presentation: 5/10
Graphics: 6/10
Gameplay: 6/10
Ball Physics: 5/10
Players movement: 5/10
I think PES should also make some changes in menu and player selection screens because it is almost the same in every game since I am playing i.e. PES 09
Your comments?
Fixed
cescf4bregas
10-07-2008, 15:16
personally i reckon the graphics/player appearence is better on PES...when comparing licensed teams on PES with licensed teams on FIFA. if PES was fully licensed, i believe it would look so much more accurate than FIFA. all the players look obese and cartoony on FIFA...or is it just me?!?
The faces look incredible in FIFA. But the body movement suck sometimes. And to be honest i like the ones in PES better. For me the body movement is much more important. I hope KONAMI will work on that.
I still love the movement in ISS64.
And if you are honest, the details only matter in replya's and close up view. From far away you can hardly see it.
personally i reckon the graphics/player appearence is better on PES...when comparing licensed teams on PES with licensed teams on FIFA. if PES was fully licensed, i believe it would look so much more accurate than FIFA. all the players look obese and cartoony on FIFA...or is it just me?!?
It's just you....
ThierryHenry14
10-07-2008, 16:25
Fifa looks alot more detailed this year.
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3444/fifavspespp3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
you gotta be hones man look at fifa the one in red kinda runs like a zombie
you gotta be hones man look at fifa the one in red kinda runs like a zombie
Paul Scholes is a zombie.
Personally I think they both look very good. It will come down to gameplay.
Personally I think they both look very good. It will come down to gameplay.
Yeah very true
Paul Scholes is a zombie.
lol
shankly is god
10-07-2008, 22:30
i think that on graphics fifa will be slightly better because of lighting and other aspects.... but like us all say gameplay is what matters....i would say that fifa has been coming close but pes is still leading the way.
rai4manu
11-07-2008, 13:51
Thanks guys for your replys and opiniions.
First of all let me clear that I have played FIFA 08 on XBOB 360 & PES 2008 on PS2.
By saying that graphics in FIFA are better I mean FIFA is very cosmetic. Player Kits, faces during match replacements looks very good and that's very much all. It is good for kids.
When it comes to gameplay FIFA is not even close to PES 08 which is the lowest game in PES series I have played so far. I don't play master league or P1 vs com but mostly (90%) I play human vs human with my cousins and we gave try to both the games with alot of interest but in our opinion FIFA's gameplay is nothing when compared to PES especialy in human vs human matches. In PES you have a special feeling of somehow controling the gameplay of your team but in FIFA no such feelings.
shankly is god
11-07-2008, 13:58
Thanks guys for your replys and opiniions.
First of all let me clear that I have played FIFA 08 on XBOB 360 & PES 2008 on PS2.
By saying that graphics in FIFA are better I mean FIFA is very cosmetic. Player Kits, faces during match replacements looks very good and that's very much all. It is good for kids.
When it comes to gameplay FIFA is not even close to PES 08 which is the lowest game in PES series I have played so far. I don't play master league or P1 vs com but mostly (90%) I play human vs human with my cousins and we gave try to both the games with alot of interest but in our opinion FIFA's gameplay is nothing when compared to PES especialy in human vs human matches. In PES you have a special feeling of somehow controling the gameplay of your team but in FIFA no such feelings.
they use a different engine for the graphics and at first look yer id say fifa is way better..i love the stadium graphcis they do look very realistic, but i think on the full game player likeness will suffer, i guess we can only judge when there out eh!
rai4manu
11-07-2008, 14:48
Yes, you are right, lets see when both of them comes out.
milly_willy
19-07-2008, 18:47
they use a different engine for the graphics and at first look yer id say fifa is way better..
I agree but...
According to Konami: ‘The new game has undergone a stunning graphical update to ensure its players look and move even more like their real-life counterparts.
So by the time it comes out, pes 09 should look better :)
Gooner26
19-07-2008, 19:12
Not including the 09 edition, Pro Evo has always looked and played better than FIFA. This year it looks as good, but not better.
^I won't comment on the screenshots until I see more and maybe an HD gameplay movie. That would be my final judgement but judging from those screenshots the stadiums do look better.
shankly is god
19-07-2008, 20:40
yer i agree with shaun..... and yea by the time that its due for release they can improve it hugely....... i still think pro will be better like now when ever i get a chance i rather play pro 2008 than fifa 08
Paul Scholes is a zombie.
Dammit! you said exactly what i wanted to say.
FIFA does looks good, but after my FIFA 03 and 06 experience, i will never play that game again
Dammit! you said exactly what i wanted to say.
FIFA does looks good, but after my FIFA 03 and 06 experience, i will never play that game again
you will!
Thanks guys for your replys and opiniions.
First of all let me clear that I have played FIFA 08 on XBOB 360 & PES 2008 on PS2.
By saying that graphics in FIFA are better I mean FIFA is very cosmetic. Player Kits, faces during match replacements looks very good and that's very much all. It is good for kids.
When it comes to gameplay FIFA is not even close to PES 08 which is the lowest game in PES series I have played so far. I don't play master league or P1 vs com but mostly (90%) I play human vs human with my cousins and we gave try to both the games with alot of interest but in our opinion FIFA's gameplay is nothing when compared to PES especialy in human vs human matches. In PES you have a special feeling of somehow controling the gameplay of your team but in FIFA no such feelings.
You should try playing PES 2008 on PS3 -the- game is just as bad as FIFA08, maybe even worst..
I agree but...
According to Konami: ‘The new game has undergone a stunning graphical update to ensure its players look and move even more like their real-life counterparts.
So by the time it comes out, pes 09 should look better :)
Most people are saying that "the graphics are almost the same as in PES08" -however- I have noticed clear noticeable improvements in the screenshots.
I guess we'll get to see that when the demo comes out. But still, I'm pretty convinced that the graphics will look great.. The thing that really concerns me is if PES09 will play as good as it looks -because- PES08 surely didn't.
Anyways, I like that quote; "‘The new game has undergone a stunning graphical update to ensure its players look and move even more like their real-life counterparts."
Does this means that Konami will actually release a "New Game" -instead- of a tweaked version of PES08 (or PES6). And, "move even more like their real-life counterparts" -I- suppose, Seabass and his team have introduced even more Dribbling Styles.
It would be massively cool if distinctive players such as Juan Roman Riquelme or Zinedine Zidane actually moved and dribbled like their real-life counterparts.That's something I haven't seen in any Football Sim yet, and I would really appreciate it IF further differences where established.
Differences between players with different (or distinctive) Types of Movements and Dribbling moves. Examples?? Cristiano Ronaldo is technically gifted, and although distinctive, his movements are STIFF -on- the other hand, Zinedine Zidane (or Robinho, or Riquelme) is technically gifted and distinctive, but haves an elegant-fluid style of Movement WHEN the ball is at his feet.
That's something that is really disappointing for fans of the aesthetic, it is always disappointing to see that distinctive players such as Zidane and Riquelme Move and Dribble in the same exact manner as everyone else.
Konami should give more life to the players on the game. We already have 4 different dribbling styles in the PES series, the same dribbling styles that have been around for some 5 years or so -maybe- Konami has decided to finally improve on that aspect, maybe PES09 will boast 10 Different Dribbling Styles -or- Trademark Dribbling moves.. PES09 could offer something NEW to the series.
^You're abseloutley right on the dribbling part. I would really like to see it in the new game. It could really improve the game's realism. I can't wait for a gameplay movie.
^You're abseloutley right on the dribbling part. I would really like to see it in the new game. It could really improve the game's realism. I can't wait for a gameplay movie.
Maybe New Dribbling Styles -or- New Stats that influence the dribbling style of a player.. Maybe such a thing won't make a HUGE difference to the gameplay. BUT the LIFE and realism it would add into the game -would- surely compensate for it's lack of gameplay relevance.
I mean, how disappointing is it to have players such as Frank Lampard, Steven Gerrard, and Michael Ballack -Dribbling and Moving- in the same exact manner as Zinedine Zidane and Juan Roman Riquelme.
There are many differences and variations.. For example, although both are fast and gifted, Leo Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo have clear differences in their Technique. Leo Messi seems to FLOAT through the pitch (much like George Best) -while- on the other hand, Cristiano Ronaldo looks much more STIFF in his movements.
Some would say that Leo Messi is more gifted, others would say he haves more flair, or some would simply say that "Messi is more graceful" -but- the FACT still remains that they have Different styles of Technique.
Suggestions?? New Technique Stats -or- New Dribbling Styles, etc, etc.. Surely something can be done about this. However, a completely different matter is IF Konami actually took the time (and effort) to work on this aspect of the game.
DunkTheJunk
20-07-2008, 11:04
tbh.. the gameplay on pes is tons better than fifa.. if you see the movements of players.. pes players move alot more realisticly.. graphics probably be better on fifa, but its the gameplay that counts..
muzza798
20-07-2008, 13:09
I think pes's graphics look better.
The lighting affects in fifa are stupid, unrealistic and make their heads look white.
you will!
You sure about that? my next buy is pes2008 and pes2009, FIFA experience was too much of a nightmare.
kryptic27
20-07-2008, 14:49
fifa graphics look fantastic from far but when you zoom in on the players they look zombified n discoloured only a few players look real eg. rooney, ronaldinho apart from that most of the players on pes look exactly like their real life counterparts. oh ye and another thing in fifa when you play at night in the game the pitch and stadium look awfully dark and gloomy when in real life stadiums are well lit.
rai4manu
22-07-2008, 07:58
fifa graphics look fantastic from far but when you zoom in on the players they look zombified n discoloured only a few players look real eg. rooney, ronaldinho apart from that most of the players on pes look exactly like their real life counterparts. oh ye and another thing in fifa when you play at night in the game the pitch and stadium look awfully dark and gloomy when in real life stadiums are well lit.
By better graphics of FIFA I mean graphics in cut scenes and celebrations etc.
AgentZero
22-07-2008, 08:22
PES in my eyes have always had nicer player modelling.
Next gen version of Pes 2008 has better graphics than next gen Fifa. But Fifa's difference in graphics between the ps2 and ps3/360 is huge but still Pes has better graphics especially the players.
PESAM411
29-07-2008, 18:09
I think player appearances in PES are way better than FIFA.
definatly
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OH YEAH
New fifa pic looks amazing
http://bp0.blogger.com/_vffBWzB_25Y/SJG5Mq9LCHI/AAAAAAAAAI8/v4EoRoSL6k0/s1600-h/FIFA360_7%5B210906%5D.jpg
the fifa 08 gameplay is better than pes 08 no one can argue with that, but it isnt better than the ps2 version. maybe i am being to optimistic but i cant see fifa being better than pes this year. If the gameplay we all know and love returns then pes cant be beaten. In terms of graphics both games have there own look, fifas player models and quite over exaggerated but when playing the game it does look perfect and this is something that should improve this year. I still and always have believed the player appearances on pro beat fifa hands down. Some players such as amauri have there appearance in fifa but they all look plastic. To sum up if pes goes back to the great simulation it was rather than the arcade mess of this year then the good times are back and fifa can leave my life.
the fifa 08 gameplay is better than pes 08 no one can argue with that, but it isnt better than the ps2 version. maybe i am being to optimistic but i cant see fifa being better than pes this year. If the gameplay we all know and love returns then pes cant be beaten. In terms of graphics both games have there own look, fifas player models and quite over exaggerated but when playing the game it does look perfect and this is something that should improve this year. I still and always have believed the player appearances on pro beat fifa hands down. Some players such as amauri have there appearance in fifa but they all look plastic. To sum up if pes goes back to the great simulation it was rather than the arcade mess of this year then the good times are back and fifa can leave my life.
I agree with you on the fact that from far Fifa does look perfect. However when you watch the replays and such on Fifa 08, the players have very wierd and quirky movments and their face seem completely expressionless.
In terms of gameplay, I was dissapointed with both games. Pes feels way too arcadey while Fifa 08 is just way too slow. When playing World Class on Fifa 08 it is almost impossible to score from a counter attack. This gets pretty annoying and results in the same kind of goals being scored over and over again( goals that curl into the net from the edge of the box.)
With all that being said, I do think that PES 09 will be better than Fifa 09. All Konami needs to do is fix online play, give a new mode to play(Be A Legend sounds interesting) and fix the gameplay to give it a more tactical feel.
^Fixing gameplay is the best they can do. I want a game that relys on other stats rather than strength and speed which was in pes 2008's case. I hated that. I mean yes in real life those 2 facotrs can be a fact in a football game but there are other stats that are important. Oh and I want 100% better defending.
^Fixing gameplay is the best they can do. I want a game that relys on other stats rather than strength and speed which was in pes 2008's case. I hated that. I mean yes in real life those 2 facotrs can be a fact in a football game but there are other stats that are important. Oh and I want 100% better defending.
Exactly, there's nothing wrong with including Pace and Strength -however- they should give even more importance to aspects such as Defending, off-the-ball movement (Tactical Awareness), Dribbling, and Passing.
They should give a priority to "Passing and Movement" -wich- is something that doesn't requires "star-players" to do it effectively.
And again, if Konami; fixes the Movements, introduces a Next Gen Dribbling and Defensive system, establishes a 50/50 balance between Defensive Play and Attacking Play, turns "Shooting" into something easier (with world class finishers) -while- at the same time making the space required to score a goal harder to find..
If Konami does similar changes (in this case Improvements), then they should have a good game. With that said, I'm not really exited about PES09 -but- I do want to know what Konami has been doing for the past 2 years.
Is PES09 just another polished PES4?? Or is it a new PES with more depth and substance to it?
First PES09 trailer: http://www.video.dpadmagazine.com/20...er-2009-messi/
Gotta say the graphics do look impressive in motion.
First PES09 trailer: http://www.video.dpadmagazine.com/20...er-2009-messi/
Gotta say the graphics do look impressive in motion.
mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, FiFA09 graphic wise looks better, check it out on the FiFAO9 website, but the motion of this Proevo09 looks better and the graphics still improving
mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, FiFA09 graphic wise looks better, check it out on the FiFAO9 website, but the motion of this Proevo09 looks better and the graphics still improving
FIFA is very visually impressive, always been better than PES imo.
First PES09 trailer: http://www.video.dpadmagazine.com/20...er-2009-messi/
Gotta say the graphics do look impressive in motion.
It's been said that the video is actually A "PES08 video" labeled as a "PES09 video"..
I was worried because a part of the the crowd actually disappeared by the 27th second of the video clip, and also because the Graphics look exactly the same as last year.
That video clip does NOT haves the Graphics we've seen in the pics.
And even if it really is PES 2009, then the Graphics are disappointing in my opinion -and- it looks as though Messi will be uncontainable -just- like in PES 2008.
I hope that's a PES 2008 video.
Messi looks uncontainable? Where did you get that from?
He did barely anything in that video and even then he only featured more because he's the coverstar.
Personally I'm looking forward to this game, WENB were right about Messi being the coverstar, were right about the Champions League licensense, and their last podcast said after playtesting the game is back to its very best, so I'll believe that too.
It's been said that the video is actually A "PES08 video" labeled as a "PES09 video"..
I was worried because a part of the the crowd actually disappeared by the 27th second of the video clip, and also because the Graphics look exactly the same as last year.
That video clip does NOT haves the Graphics we've seen in the pics.
And even if it really is PES 2009, then the Graphics are disappointing in my opinion -and- it looks as though Messi will be uncontainable -just- like in PES 2008.
I hope that's a PES 2008 video.
Hey Amateur, ive got a bad feeling that it was said tongue-in-cheek, and that the living nightmare we dreaded has come true.... i.e. that IS a PES 2009 in the video
Hey Amateur, ive got a bad feeling that it was said tongue-in-cheek, and that the living nightmare we dreaded has come true.... i.e. that IS a PES 2009 in the video
I'm a little confused because Peter Willis said that "Konami have released footage of what appears to be Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 and labelled it PES 2009. It is unconfirmed who made this error, but we’re trying to clear it up ASAP".
So I don't know if it is PES 2009, or not.. However, I did noticed that the crowd is clearly NOT the same crowd we had in PES08. So, it could very well be PES 2009.
And as for Messi being "uncontainable" -I- said that because I find it funny that Messi is doing Roulettes and Cuts.. I mean, yeah Messi is great at cutting the ball and at getting past opponents with the most basic Dribbles; Body Feints, Cutting the Ball, changes in speed.
But really, when has Leo Messi ever performed a 360º spin??
And by the way, if it is PES09 -then- the Graphics have barely changed at all.
I think Peter Willis was venting his frustration.... the reality is this is Pes 2009, love it or hate it......
All we can do is get on our knees and pray that Konami will perform a miracle and come out with something that bows us out of the water...
I know everything has its lifecycle, but it would be really sad if pes was nearing the end of its as the whole organisation may crumble with Kojima productions being absorbed by a bigger company...
I think Peter Willis was venting his frustration.... the reality is this is Pes 2009, love it or hate it......
All we can do is get on our knees and pray that Konami will perform a miracle and come out with something that bows us out of the water...
I know everything has its lifecycle, but it would be really sad if pes was nearing the end of its as the whole organisation may crumble with Kojima productions being absorbed by a bigger company...
That short video clip was Disappointing to say the least.
However, I'll try to reserve the comments until after I get to see a proper video clip of the Gameplay.
By the way, it's not like the Graphics aren't good.. the thing that disappoints me is that the players faces still look lifeless -it- would be cool to see some animations such as; the players breathing after a run, or the player moving their mouth after a particular play, etc, etc..
I think the Graphics are fairly good for a PES game, but they should have better animations.
And that's the thing I noticed about FIFA.. I personally don't like what I've seen so far about FIFA09 -because- it's just a highly polished FIFA08. However, something I did liked where the animations; players moving their mouths, players pointing where they want the ball, players moaning to the ref, etc, etc..
But anyways, that videoclip is way too short to make anything out of it.
^Completely agree. The video clip is way too short.
http://www.videogameszone.de/?menu=browser&mode=article&article_id=654330&entity_id=216518,216517&image_id=869074&page=1&order=
^Completely agree. The video clip is way too short.
Excactly. It's too short to decide and in the trailer they wanted to make Messi and Argentina win so no one can comment on the gameplay.
I agree with you on the fact that from far Fifa does look perfect. However when you watch the replays and such on Fifa 08, the players have very wierd and quirky movments and their face seem completely expressionless.
In terms of gameplay, I was dissapointed with both games. Pes feels way too arcadey while Fifa 08 is just way too slow. When playing World Class on Fifa 08 it is almost impossible to score from a counter attack. This gets pretty annoying and results in the same kind of goals being scored over and over again( goals that curl into the net from the edge of the box.)
With all that being said, I do think that PES 09 will be better than Fifa 09. All Konami needs to do is fix online play, give a new mode to play(Be A Legend sounds interesting) and fix the gameplay to give it a more tactical feel.
i agree with you on the counter attack comment, it can be quite stale but i did like the challenge of fifa when playing with pass and shotting assistance turned off, this does make the game different and physics aloow you to create clever passing sequences. this wont matter when pes is released
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