New information leaked ? [Archive]

Hunter

23-07-2008, 13:14

Just been reading through an old PES forum I used to visit which was a PES League site (www.pelluk.co.uk), and it seems some information has been leaked. There is several pages in the thread so I've gone through it and picked out the information from the source. Note: I'm simply copy and pasting what the source has stated, but putting it in number order to make it easier to read:

1. Man Utd & Liverpool are the licensed teams.
2. Spanish League has not been axed. Same leagues as PES2008.
3. You CAN use Master League teams online!!
4. New Game mode entitled "Become a Legend" more on this later.
5. There is NO Official Licensed Champions league mode. Despite the rumours. More to follow.
6. 19 Stadiums including Wembley. Ps3 version though so could be different.
7. No Bayern Munich.
8. The team replacing Bayern is Zenit St Petersburg, with an improved Arshavin.

Here is an interview the member of the PES League site has done with his source, this shows some extra details:

With regards to the gameplay, would you say it resembled PES6 or PES2008, and what aspects differ.

The gameplay is PES2008, the way it should have been. You can no longer run straight through everyone with Etoo or Ronaldinho without any effort but you can beat players by running if you time your moves correctly. It is very realistic and the AI in defence and attack is massively improved.

The refereeing in PES2008 was abysmal, has it got any better? (please elaborate with examples i.e bringing play back etc)

The refereeing is probably the same although the collisions are much better so the decisions are often correct. The diving works better too. Managed to win a pen with an expertly timed dive over a defenders outstretched leg - looked class.

PES2008 definitely favoured the attacking side with scoring being particularly easy. Is this the case in 2009?

Shots don't seem to be as easy as 2008 and the keepers cover their area much better. Obviously if you get up to them and pass across them its easy but that's the same in real life. The defence also like to play cat and mouse with the offside trap so it’s harder to get in to create the easier chances.

Have we finally moved into the "Next Gen" or are we still polishing a turd (graphics wise)

The graphics are similar but the lighting effects (floodlights/sun etc) are spectacular. It really adds to the feel of the game, definitely the best I have seen in a sports game but I haven't seen Fifa 09 yet

PES2008's goalkeepers were total garbage. Please tell me they've improved.

They seemed to have improved but after only a day, I can't be 100% sure. I haven't seen one soft shot being fumbled and tapped in though so that's a good thing.

Who are the officially licensed England League teams?

Liverpool & Man Utd although most sides have nearly every player's real face.

Please list the leagues included.

The same as last time, England, France, Spain, Holland & Italy

Any major non leagued teams removed or added?

Off the top of my head I think the only change is Zenith St Petersburg replacing Bayern Munich

Off the top of ur head, how many stadiums are there, and which famous ones are new? i.e stamford bridge etc

There are 19 stadiums, the only new one I remember is Wembley, although I suspect Old Trafford & Anfield will be there as part of the licensing agreement eith the 2 clubs

You mentioned "become a legend" mode. Can you explain this in more detail? & how it relates to the "new exciting online mode"

You create a player and start off at a team - A made up side (Think it's a youth side). You control just yourself (With the Be a Pro mode camera from FIFA). As you play your player improves in stats and sides become interested and make offers for your services, I had Hull & Everton after me.

When you save your player stats, you can then take him online to team up with other "legends". This adds a whole new side to the game as you can actually play in a side day in day out and have leagues set up etc. I haven't really got far into it but it is a great addition in my opinion.

does this imply that u can play online with other ppl playing inthe same team as u???

yeah. I am not sure how many you can have but I have heard its 7 vs 7, don’t quote me though as this is 2nd hand info (tough I’m quoting you anyway!)

Any word on online lag yet?

I don't work on the online section of the game but I am assured that the lag is 100% a thing of the past and this years will be the smoothest yet.

Of the big names, who has been greatly improved stat-wise, and have any of the silly super slags been downgraded?

Most of the stats are the same as last year (not completely finished yet) but Arshavin is better but not amazing. The slags dont need to be downgraded as the collisions are calculated better so its just a matter of defending them right. In my opinion your league wouldn't need to remove any players as Messi can be handled by a competent defender as long as you time your challenges.

If you had to be disappointed with one thing, what would it be?

There are a couple for me (But I could be over critical). Crossing seems to be a bit floaty (from corners) and the shooting has completely changed again so it needs a good practise again. Shooting like PES 2008 will result in you scoring 0. This isn't so much a bad thing but a nuisance.
Also on the be a legend mode the user is unable to create a goalkeeper or defender to play with which is a shame

I am disappointed that Bayern have gone and the master league hasn't changed - even the menus are the same.

Overall its the best footy game out there by a country mile up to now. Roll on October for the release

Links:

Thread with details. (http://pelluk.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1228&st=0&sk=t&sd=a)

Interview. (http://www.pelluk.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1248)

ThierryHenry14

23-07-2008, 13:15

Be A Legend hmmm..

Dragonfly

23-07-2008, 13:22

No Bayern Munich? :sullyfail:

I like the Be A Legend idea, and I don't really mind not being able to be a defender or goalkeeper, because, let's be honest, everyone wants to get the glory.

CRISSGRAN

23-07-2008, 13:23

This seems very very fishy to me. Who was this mole? What is he in relation to the games development? Why would he blatantly break an NDA? Whiffs of bullshit to me, especially the Be a Legend mode.... Oh well, we can only wait

2-Face

23-07-2008, 13:27

Well if this is true then i was right all the time. just a PES upgrade. only one thing is missing in a interview Seabass said there will be many modes, one mode he mentioned he stated that you will have several games where a team is behind or score a hat trick in a couple of minutes. These were Sebass words, why is it not mentioned by this person?

ads

23-07-2008, 13:28

Sounds great but I've learned to take these things with a pinch of salt over the years. Fingers crossed though. Be A Legend sounds good though.

Red Owl

23-07-2008, 13:37

8. The team replacing Bayern is Zenit St Petersburg, with an improved Arshavin.

But Arshavin won't be at Zenit!

The other rumours sound pretty solid though - can't wait to play Master League online, if that one is true.

Punzz

23-07-2008, 13:39

I am disappointed that Bayern have gone and the master league hasn't changed - even the menus are the same."

If this turns out to be true, I wont be buying it. Still haven't changed the Master League? I find that very hard to believe

shaun7

23-07-2008, 13:51

There's really soe good points about this if it was really true. I'm really interested on the be a legend mode and the new gameplay.

01srainey

23-07-2008, 13:55

sounds good

Badgerman

23-07-2008, 13:56

This sounds believable because it all sounds quite plausible.

Time will tell.

Punzz

23-07-2008, 13:56

Lami

23-07-2008, 13:57

Thanks Hunter. I quoted you on other forums :)

Hunter

23-07-2008, 14:09

The 'new gameplay' doesn't sound too hot. I would have thought the bulk of that post of his would focus on the game play and not talking about stats and online lag. Sure they are important but no where near as important as the gameplay. The graphical side is disappointing too.

Again this info could well turn out to be false but we've got to talk about something really haven't we? We haven't had any new information from Konami for a month

Yeah, news seems to be quite dry lately so it's definetely something to discuss. It does seem like this could be quite possibly true though, shame about the Master League though, maybe they've neglected it and focused on the online and the new modes ?

2-Face

23-07-2008, 14:09

There is NO Official Licensed Champions league mode. Despite the rumors. More to follow.

What was this fuss about the CL is in it? and now it isn't?

people at WENB believe this rumor is true. I am now definitly waiting for leizpig since everyone has their own rumors now.

Guillermo

23-07-2008, 14:09

I find it hard to believe that 'lag is a thing of the past' knowing Konami.

Where's the Champions League license in all this?

Hunter

23-07-2008, 14:15

I find it hard to believe that 'lag is a thing of the past' knowing Konami.

Where's the Champions League licence in all this?

That's what I'm wondering, maybe they're doing a seperate game after all, or simply just implementing it into the "League Mode" with the other leagues involved. Sure more information will be leaked soon enough though, can't wait.

It's make or break now for Konami.

BarnDoor

23-07-2008, 14:17

If this is true, honestly the guys making PES must be the laziest developers around. I can't believe we're getting no extra teams again. Even shit international teams like Georgia, Iceland, Macedonia, etc. I thought it was a limitation thing concerning the PS2 but evidently not.

2-Face

23-07-2008, 14:23

What will bother me the most is that you we won't have 360 degree direction and a free will to pass where ever you want and most importantly shoot where ever you want, where the accuracy of the best would still be 80%. Now that's would be awesome, just making it almost impossible by scoring out side of the box is just a cpu decisions. Konami has to begin working a new engine.

doyin

23-07-2008, 14:25

Well its looks good, i mean the gameplay will be more real and better.

I agree with BarnDoor thats just fecking lazy of them, not wanting to add more leagues, the licenced teams better be worth it

Champions league licence: thats just messed up they arent putting it there and who the feck cares about an improved Arshavin with no Bayern munich, i can improve Arshavin by myself just by tweaking with his stats, so what they are trying to say is that a Zenit pts Burg club with an improved Arshavin is better than the whole talented club of Bayern munich. I am sickened, at least Champion league licence would have made the Master League better.

milly_willy

23-07-2008, 14:25

No CL? and the legend thing is just a rip off of be a pro.

Graphics are the same? Thought Seabass said it had 'under gone a stunning graphical update...'

Dragonfly

23-07-2008, 14:27

Thanks Hunter. I quoted you on other forums :)

http://www.winningelevenblog.com/news/huge-pes-2009-leak-hits-the-net/

Hunter

23-07-2008, 14:33

I'd rather have the name of person who created the leak on that site to be honest, makes me feel cheap since I did nothing but c/p it here.

His name is Sparky from www.pelluk.co.uk.

skullverine

23-07-2008, 14:38

If it's true then I'm quite disappointed that there was no mention of changing the Master League system. No Bayern Munich either :/

wrathchild_uk

23-07-2008, 16:01

That information could be aload of bs though...no question is even asked about the edit mode.

Rkid005uk

23-07-2008, 16:10

i smell something, sniff sniff

Amateur

23-07-2008, 16:10

That's what I'm wondering, maybe they're doing a seperate game after all, or simply just implementing it into the "League Mode" with the other leagues involved. Sure more information will be leaked soon enough though, can't wait.

It's make or break now for Konami.

I've read in a couple of different sites that Konami have indeed acquired the UEFA License -and- WILL be including the Champions League in future games.

What remains to be seen, is IF Konami have included the Champions League in PES09. And it's also been said that future versions of PES (2010) will have plenty of Licensed teams because of the UEFA License.

Hope it turns out to be true, I personally think it's true.. But honestly, my MAIN concern is the GAMEPLAY -something- that was barely mentioned in the interview.. disappointing to say the least.

I think that interview is NOT reliable -because- surely after PES08, most interviews will focus on the Gameplay (and Edit Mode) of PES09 -rather- then on the Licenses, or the Online Lag, etc, etc.. Konami knows most of their fans are in it for the Gameplay.

Vitumbiko

23-07-2008, 16:24

What!!! No Bayern Munich??? Well thAT SUCKS....BUT ANYWAY i like the be pro idea

Hunter

23-07-2008, 17:31

I've read in a couple of different sites that Konami have indeed acquired the UEFA License -and- WILL be including the Champions League in future games.

What remains to be seen, is IF Konami have included the Champions League in PES09. And it's also been said that future versions of PES (2010) will have plenty of Licensed teams because of the UEFA License.

Hope it turns out to be true, I personally think it's true.. But honestly, my MAIN concern is the GAMEPLAY -something- that was barely mentioned in the interview.. disappointing to say the least.

I think that interview is NOT reliable -because- surely after PES08, most interviews will focus on the Gameplay (and Edit Mode) of PES09 -instead- of the Licenses, and Online Lag, etc, etc.. Konami knows most of their fans are in it for the Gameplay.

I'm guessing since it was only a promo copy, then Konami may not have implemented the Champions League license into the game yet as they've only recently got it, that's my theory anyway.

SwatPower

23-07-2008, 17:38

just up all the boro team stats to 99 and im safe

Cannon ball

23-07-2008, 18:09

shaun7

23-07-2008, 18:54

I was about 80% sure that there will be a champions league mode. I can't believe that it won't be in the game. I just can't believe it.

borsi

23-07-2008, 19:05

This info sounds false to me, somehow I dont believe it. The master league not improving? No bayern munich? Same gameplay as PES2008? You can tackle Messi if the time is right??(Even in PES2008 you can!) And what is it with diving improved? Seabass said himself that the diving thing wouldnt worked unless it is a right moment and try so that the diving he put in there wouldnt spoil the game(does this sounds that diving need more improvement?) Be A Legend mode sounds interesting though. Also Konami said that there will be a license that changed the image of the game completely, didnt see it in the interview. No word on cover stars? I thought the graphic did improved(you can even see the muscle now), that should be noticeable. And new modes that Seabass promised should be highlighted in the interview, but no word whatsoever.

Some of the info are believable but I thought the overall thing is just ridiculous. Hope Konami give us news soon.

doyin

23-07-2008, 19:39

just up all the boro team stats to 99 and im safe

lol, hehehe

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23-07-2008, 20:12

No CL? and the legend thing is just a rip off of be a pro.

Graphics are the same? Thought Seabass said it had 'under gone a stunning graphical update...'

In fairness the player cam was introduced on Pro a while back with the ability to play as one player.

Certainly not ripped off from Fifa.

DunkTheJunk

23-07-2008, 20:44

i dont think all of it is true.. im thinking that the champions league will be a cup.. not a mode?? like something in master league.. and then mention zenit st petersberg and arshavin improving.. well hes most probably moving to an english side.. also why take bayern munich out of it when theres teams that are less known and not much help to play with.. shooting is differant.. they may change that but i dont think itll be a vast change.. tbh i dont really believe that. but legend thing would be good.. but bit dissapointing not being a defender.. i understand keeper.. coz would be a whole differant controll system.. but defenders should be in it..

SpArKyCFC

23-07-2008, 21:05

with regards to no questions being asked about the gameplay, edit etc, i am not a reporter, it is not a "professional, official" interview. that much should be obvious really. it is just a bunch of questions i wanted to know the answers to, i dont edit the players as i only play online so didnt even think about it lol.

and gameplay? i thought i did? i asked about refs, goalies (MY 2 main gripes on pes2008), and whether or not gameplay resembled pes6 or 2008, the answer was more like 2008. Its very difficult to describe gameplay tbh

it was not the intention of this to be leaked all over the net, so sorry if i didnt get all the info that everyone wants, like i say, i'm not a professional.

Lami

23-07-2008, 21:08

Well atleast you got us some info man :) Keep it up. Should we expect anymore tonight?

Lami

23-07-2008, 21:12

I'd rather have the name of person who created the leak on that site to be honest, makes me feel cheap since I did nothing but c/p it here.

His name is Sparky from www.pelluk.co.uk.

Sorted :)

http://www.winningelevenblog.com/

Miggy

23-07-2008, 21:14

Nice find.

SpArKyCFC

23-07-2008, 21:16

Well atleast you got us some info man :) Keep it up. Should we expect anymore tonight?

i was hoping for some photos, but due to this going asolutely EVERYWHERE in the PES world, i don't blame him for not risking it.

just noticed dunkthejunk's comments about arshavin. are u serious? he's at zenith now, i know he'll be leaving, but where do u suppose konami are going to put him? should they guess which club he's going to? he has to be somewhere!! lmao

as others say, this is definitely not a final build, i can say that 200% for a fact as there are things to be added, but whether or not a WHOLE new mode will be added, i doubt very much.

Amateur

23-07-2008, 21:27

If this is true, I probably won't buy it. Seriously, do these guys making PES actually bother? Do they care? You would have thought after the disappointment of PES 2008, that they were going to really go for it this time, make a top football game, that would really use the strengths of the next generation consoles. Evidently not.

Completely agree... The reason they (Konami) keep doing this is because Most PES fans are satisfied by a version of PES6 with good graphics.

However, customers should be aware of the FACT that Next Gen Consoles (PS3) are capable of much more than just mere tweaks and new game modes.

And as for Konami, Do they actually care at all?? Do they actually bother? I mean, by stating that "The gameplay is PES2008, the way it should have been" -they- are openly admitting that PES08 should not have been released in the 1st place.

And, "Most of the stats are the same as last year" -this- translates into Most of the Stats in PES09 are the same we've been using since 2004.

I don't understand.. Shouldn't a Next Gen game have NEW GAMEPLAY FEATURES (not ridiculous features such as "Diving" -but- features that are actually useful), NEW STATS, NEW CONTROLS, a "Complete Overhaul" in every aspect??

Does Konami expects me to believe that they don't have enough TIME to introduce New (Significant) Gameplay Features?? Because that trick is getting old..

SpArKyCFC

23-07-2008, 21:34

Amateur

23-07-2008, 21:54

i actually love pes2008 as an offline game playing against other ppl. much better than pes6 imo. all it needs is to be slowed down slightly, and make it harder to score. then fix the lag online and i'd be extatic.

nice graphics are one thing, but really the gameplay is what concerns me.

Dude, I don't mean to disrespect but.. PES08 is bad, even Konami themselves openly recognize that FACT.

The game needs much better movements, much better AI both Defensively and in the Attacking part of the pitch, New Controls, New Stats, New Gameplay Features, the list of things that PES08 can improve is endless.

And Bottom Line still is that the PS3 is capable of a much better system of Stats and Special Abilities -and- logically is capable of producing a much better and realistic Gameplay.

PES 2008 is far away from what a Proper Football Sim should be.

Hunter

23-07-2008, 21:54

i actually love pes2008 as an offline game playing against other ppl. much better than pes6 imo. all it needs is to be slowed down slightly, and make it harder to score. then fix the lag online and i'd be extatic.

nice graphics are one thing, but really the gameplay is what concerns me.

Spot on, I honestly wouldn't mind if PES 2009's graphics were identical to that of 2008 as long as the gameplay is improved. All of the points you have just mentioned are required in this new PES, and I'd also add to that, the manner in which the CPU have "super-powers". Whenever I play against the CPU, even if the CPU team is Rosenberg, every player seems to be able to dribble like Cristiano Ronaldo etc.

SpArKyCFC

23-07-2008, 21:57

SpArKyCFC

23-07-2008, 21:59

Hunter

23-07-2008, 22:04

i'll add to that i only play online. so the AI of my opponent doesn't really matter to me. i dont play offline for the very reason that the AI is so frustratingly effective, when it has to be. in that way i can see what u mean about it being poor,

I only played PES6 online because it was so addictive and lag-free however I've always had trouble playing a lag-free game of PES 2008 and have had to resort to Single Player. Hopefully if the online is truly lag-free with this new version then I'd definetely consider joining the PELLUK league again after my successful reign with Paris-Saint Germain. :happy: You'd have to teach me the ropes with all the new transfers and depth that has been added though. ;)

PS: Just noticed that the PELLUK site has taken down the thread with the leaked information ? Any particular reason, or has the guy you interviewed kindly asked for it to be removed ?

Amateur

23-07-2008, 22:11

i think i'm just easy to please :)

i just want to play footy on the console, if i create the goal with passing and movement, and dont score the same goals over and over (like on most footy games it seems), then i'm happy :)

what u say i'm sure is very true. something he said in a text message that wasnt in the interview i posted was that it was basically the "same" engine, but tweaked much better than 2008. for me thats good, but if ur looking for more from it i can see why u'd be disapointed.

I'm disappointed because Seabass promised last year "a Complete Overhaul in every Aspect" -and- now it seems the "Complete Overhaul" was Seabass way of saying "I will just tweak the game slightly".

Tell me one thing, HOW can you justify that the PS2 versions of PES actually have better off-the-ball movement (AI) than the PS3 versions.. How is that Possible?? How could anyone justify that?

Surely, Konami must be doing something wrong, either they have no idea of what to do with Next Gen Consoles -or- they just don't care that much, and always end up releasing the same games with some subtle tweaks here and there.

Even IF the game turns out to be just as addictive and entertaining as PES6 -I- would still be disappointed about the FACT that konami is still using the same system of Stats and Special Abilities they've been using for 5 YEARS now.

I mean, shouldn't PS3 versions have a better set of Stats and Special Abilities?? A set of Stats to actually cover The BASIC ASPECTS properly? It is always disappointing to know that after 5 years -the- game is still basically the same.

WHEN will Konami truly release a NEW Game?? By the looks of it, PES 2010 will be yet another TWEAKED version of PES 2008.. So we'll probably get to see the 1st proper Football Sim (at the very least) by 2012.

kryptic27

23-07-2008, 22:55

if the gameplay is back to itz best and online dusnt lag and the graphics are better then thats good thats all i care about to be honest, optionfiles an patches can sort out kits and teams n everythin. all i want is pro evolution soccer to get back to itz best f i think thats more important then they can start working on new game modes n stuff properly for pes 2010 knowing that they have their proper gameplay back. i think pes 2009 is gunna be a great game but pes 2010 will be the big one.

4everFutbol

23-07-2008, 23:18

Wow. After reading that interview it seems to me we are in for more of the same, lazy, crap from the past 2 years.

"Have we finally moved into the "Next Gen" or are we still polishing a turd (graphics wise)

The graphics are similar but the lighting effects (floodlights/sun etc) are spectacular. It really adds to the feel of the game, definitely the best I have seen in a sports game but I haven't seen Fifa 09 yet"

Is this a joke? THE LIGHTING? WHO CARES ABOUT THE F'n LIGHTING. HOW ABOUT THE PLAYERS YOU MORONS.

Here's to hope for someone else to take over the PES franchise for 2010.

also,
too bad arshavin won't be at zenit by the time this game comes out.

shaun7

24-07-2008, 05:33

^Well you are a bit right but lighting is a very big part of the games graphics. Proper lighting = more realism and graphics. Lighting is the biggest advantage the 360/ps3 got over ps2.

verrnik

24-07-2008, 11:34

^Well you are a bit right but lighting is a very big part of the games graphics. Proper lighting = more realism and graphics. Lighting is the biggest advantage the 360/ps3 got over ps2.
have pes09 german league???

Hunter

24-07-2008, 11:52

have pes09 german league???

Nope, it seems PES 2009 won't include the Bundesliga.

SwatPower

24-07-2008, 12:01

ya i luv das bundesliga

Baddar

24-07-2008, 12:28

2-Face

24-07-2008, 12:38

PESFan92

24-07-2008, 12:45

Very promising things this year.

Become A Legend sounds good. I enjoy Captain Your Country/Be A Pro FIFA. Hopefully its beter than FIFA's one though

Starting In A Youth Team and as you get better you get offers from clubs, maybe you get to captain your country at some point aswell.

good job about Liverpool & Manchester United being licensed and 19 stadiums :O

including Wembley. Maybe this year Emirates is there maybe a few like Goodison, Villa Park, White Hart Line

If the AI is better, as they say, then i will buy it

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24-07-2008, 12:52

"PES2008 definitely favoured the attacking side with scoring being particularly easy. Is this the case in 2009?

...Obviously if you get up to them and pass across them its easy but that's the same in real life."

In other words, the dragback thing still exists. :/

Yes. Same as it does in real life.

I'm sure you'd have something to moan about if the pass button didn't work when you get to a certain point in the penalty area.

It's realistic, it happens, therefore it belongs in the game.

liljovi93

24-07-2008, 13:00

This sounds very good. Online Gameplay was awful last time so lets hope it is much better this year.
Worst things come to the worst, Master League is still the same but if the gameplay is different then it will be much better won't it.
Another thing that sounds good is that all the big name players like Messi wont just walk through the defences anymore!

milly_willy

24-07-2008, 13:34

Have we finally moved into the "Next Gen" or are we still polishing a turd (graphics wise)

The graphics are similar but the lighting effects (floodlights/sun etc) are spectacular. It really adds to the feel of the game, definitely the best I have seen in a sports game but I haven't seen Fifa 09 yet.

Is this the stunning graphical update seabass was talking about?

Amateur

24-07-2008, 13:41

Yes. Same as it does in real life.

I'm sure you'd have something to moan about if the pass button didn't work when you get to a certain point in the penalty area.

It's realistic, it happens, therefore it belongs in the game.

It should be there, because it makes it realistic -BUT- with that same Logic, I'd expect Konami to implement a better system for Tackling and Sliding Tackles.

Because that's what makes it Unrealistic, they keep including "Drab Backs", etc, etc.. But the Defensive Play and Features have gone from bad to worse with PES08. Just as in real life, it is very difficult to get past a Defender via a "Drag Back".

And, that's NOT the case with PES08, as in PES08 you can simply run in a straight line and score the same Goal time and time again.. Boring and extremely Unrealistic.

Konami has even included "Diving" into the game.. I don't understand why they still haven't introduced something more Significant, a more dynamic Defensive system perhaps; Different Types of Tackles in Different Situations -instead- of the same exact Tackle and Sliding Tackle regardless of the situation, or position of the players.

Amateur

24-07-2008, 13:57

Is this the stunning graphical update seabass was talking about?

It could be.. I mean, that's how Seabass talks.. When he says he's going to produce a "Complete Overhaul in every Aspect" -what- he really means is "I will Tweak the game slightly".

And I guess that when he said that PES09 "had undergone a stunning graphical update" -what- he really meant was "PES09 has undergone some slight Tweaks with the Lighting Effects".

I really don't know what to expect from the Gameplay, more of the same I guess.

Amateur

24-07-2008, 14:13

Sebass said in an interview "maybe not next year". this could either mean he is working on a new engine (which is still not finished) and KONAMI again is pushing Seabass to release a tweaked game this year. Or Seabass is still working on the same engine and found out the end of the engine has been reached, so the only thing to do is polish up the graphics and add more modes. The last thing also means no freedom for shooting and passing where ever you want, no smart AI, no realistic goalkeepers etc as in the previous version.

Yeah, PES09 is full of uncertainties.. However, the certain thing is that IF it turns out that Konami have reached the end of the road with the Old Gen Game Engine -then- they might be screwed because PES09 is an important one for Konami.

If FIFA has worked on a New game engine -while- Konami hasn't -then- it is Game Over for Konami.. as simple as that.

That said, Seabass said something about "Maybe Not Next Year" -but- then again, he also PROMISED "New Things and a Complete Overhaul in every Aspect". I just don't see How a tweaked version of PES08 -is- a "Complete Overhaul" in every Aspect.

Has Seabass been working on a New game Engine?? Is he still polishing a turd?? Who knows? FACT still is, that if seabass has NOT been working on a new engine -then- it's over for Konami -as- I expect most fans will NOT keep buying touched-up versions of PES08.

At least, I now I won't be buying PES09 again in 2010. That trick might have worked for the past 5 YEARS -as- I basically spent well over 130$ on the same game with updated kits. But I'm NOT falling for that one again.

I'll probably still buy PES09 -because- PES08 is unplayable. But after PES09 if Konami is still polishing the same Old Gen Engine, still using the same Old set of Stats and Special Abilities (without introducing New Player Attributes), still using the same exact Controls with no NEW Features, etc, etc.. IF that's the case again with PES 2010, then I'm not wasting more ca$h on the same game.

2-Face

24-07-2008, 15:38

Baddar

24-07-2008, 15:44

Yes. Same as it does in real life.

I'm sure you'd have something to moan about if the pass button didn't work when you get to a certain point in the penalty area.

It's realistic, it happens, therefore it belongs in the game.

I see what you're saying, I just meant that one major downfall about PES in the past has been how easy it was to score dragback/cheat/whatever you want to call them...goals.

We've read before every other PES game of the last 3 or 4 years how the defensive side of the AI has vastly improved, and yet, it's still not good enough, or as good as they've made it out to be, at least.

They're saying the AI is going to be much better this time around, but it's something that's said before every PES and Fifa game that's released, so I take it with a pinch of salt.

muzza798

24-07-2008, 16:08

This is an interview from a media person playing an early code befor PES.

- The are more than 19 stadiums as some of those 19 wont even be in the game as it was just an early code. There will be atleast 25.

- The Champions League should be featuring in the ML mode as they bought Liverpool and Man Utd to atleast have some showing of Prem teams in the competition. They cant have a stand alone mode for it as chelsea and Ars would be licensed so it would look crap.

- Liverpool wont have Carlsberg on their shirts as its beer advertising

- The ML wasnt on this early code of the game so wasnt even seen. Could be revanpt so dont go getting upset over nothing because no1 has even seen it yet.

- If you want to get high quality info on this news go to the WENB

Amateur

24-07-2008, 16:29

We have to keep in mind that programmers always talk shit to hype their games. If this interview turned to be right, and many people say it is from a earlier code then even so it's still not good enough. "overhaul"..That could mean anything. one thing is clear now pes 2008 wasn't finished. So this means they had 2 years to create a game we all would love even people who never played a football game. this may come as a shock for you but i haven't played (allot) any of the ps2 PES games, basically because I demand allot. i have played them but i was not a fan. And never was a fan of FIFA. What i am trying to say is that the PS3 is so powerful you can do almost anything you want. And i mean anything. My brother has shown me stuff on how powerful this machine is. What we see now day's is maybe 60% of what the machine is capable of. Now i know programming on the ps3 is difficult, but with all the money they are making from us they should get at least 2 Sony guy's and more programmers. that's all I am asking.

it seems like we can give you the best but each year you have to buy the upgrade cause we wanna make money out of it.

Well, in my opinion FIFA is NOT even about Football, it fails miserably to interpretate Football as it should be.

Although, FIFA 2009 could be something new from EA..

And as for PES, I was a fan of the PS2 versions -however- after playing the same game for 5 YEARS now, I'm just bored of it. That said, I'm very demanding with Football games because I think they have HUGE Potential (as PES5 shows) -but- companies haven't come close to that potential because they keep releasing touched-up-profitable versions.

And with the PS3 I'm even more demanding because the Console is easily capable of producing a game (at the very least) twice as good. I think what we are seeing nowadays, at least in Football Sims, is like 50% of what Next Gen Consoles (PS3, 360) are capable of.

And again, How could anyone justify that the PS2 versions of PES where better than the PS3 versions of PES08??

Honestly, I'm still asking myself; for How Long can Konami keep this going?? It seems PES09 will be what "PES08 should have been" -in- other words, a polished version of PES08 -with- the same Set of Stats and Special Abilities, with the same Controls, Same Gameplay.. it's the same Old game with better Graphics.

Is that the best Konami can manage after 2 YEARS??

SwatPower

24-07-2008, 16:31

Fifa interprets football as good as my balls interpret a vagina

muzza798

24-07-2008, 16:32

This going to be PES 2>>>>PES 3

2-Face

24-07-2008, 16:35

Well, in my opinion FIFA is NOT even about Football, it fails miserably to interpretate Football as it should be.

And as for PES, I was a fan of the PS2 versions -however- after playing the same game for 5 YEARS now, I'm just bored of it. I'm very demanding with Football games because I think they have HUGE Potential (as PES5 shows) -but- companies haven't come close to that potential because they keep releasing touched-up-profitable versions.

And with the PS3 I'm even more demanding because the Console is easily capable of producing a game (at the very least) twice as good. I think what we are seeing nowadays, at least in Football Sims, is like 50% of what Next Gen Consoles (PS3, 360) are capable of.

Honestly, I'm still asking myself; for How Long can Konami keep this up?? It seems PES09 will be what "PES08 should have been" -in- other words, a poloshed version of PES08 -with- the same Set of Stats and Special Abilities, with the same Controls, Same Gameplay.. it's the same Old game with better Graphics.

Is that the best Konami can manage after 2 YEARS??

Well it seems that's the case.

Amateur

24-07-2008, 16:44

2-Face

24-07-2008, 20:44

Anyways, if PES 2009 is just as good as PES5 -then- at least we have a decent Football Sim for the PS3.

And if the Online Mode works properly -then- it should be enough to satisfy most of their fanbase.

That's the only Positive Point I can consider (until now) about PES09.

I have no doubts that the next PES will be great to play. But You and i are demanding people we want quality games not casual games. That's all

Hunter

24-07-2008, 22:38

I have no doubts that the next PES will be great to play. But You and i are demanding people we want quality games not casual games. That's all

We're just demanding Konami actually do their job properly, and that's to release a PES game that functions correctly. No glitchy/shite AI and a game that is playable online. How hard can it really be ? They had it spot on for PES6, minus the presentation and edit mode.

Lugash

24-07-2008, 22:50

I wish people would stop calling PES08 unplayable. Its not a great game, certainly not the best in the series, and quite possibly the worst in the series, but it is still a decent game, especially multiplayer-wise.

PES09 will probably be more of the same unfortunately. This is actually the first time since ISS98 that I will be renting the game before I buy it to see if it is worth the investment. One thisng I would love is for random select mode to make a return.

2-Face

24-07-2008, 23:29

We're just demanding Konami actually do their job properly, and that's to release a PES game that functions correctly. No glitchy/shite AI and a game that is playable online. How hard can it really be ? They had it spot on for PES6, minus the presentation and edit mode.

Of course there should be no glitches and the game should act normal. But i think Amateur and i and i know for sure you too are not satisfied with a proper working pes2008.

Pes2009 should have almost everything we ever dreamed of. They had enough time. if this doesn't happen then w'll have to wait for a new engine. As long Seabass listen to their costumers i have no doubts that he will succeed, but it sometimes seems he does only what KONAMI tells them to do and leaves the Fans in the dark.

i mean look at the latest Video's that are released by EA regarding FIFA09. All they talk about is how they went out in the community and actually listened to what customers had to say. Now that's good marketing.

shankly is god

25-07-2008, 00:42

i really hope that liverpool are liscensed and all the things that are said are true and not fake

hamas313

25-07-2008, 00:43

if and its a big if any of this is true then konami have lost the plot .I for one will not put up with a plie of shit like 2008 with a bit of polish on it will have to try fifa let konami know with your wallet dont buy it

Calzone

25-07-2008, 00:44

Bayern Munich gets the boot? Fuuuccckk that. Peice of shit club takes its place. FUCK OFF

shaun7

25-07-2008, 05:31

I'm also gonna miss Bayern but they were almost useless since there were no germen league.

verrnik

25-07-2008, 08:10

no bundesliga, no la liga....who leagues have pes09????

Lami

25-07-2008, 10:49

La Liga is in.

verrnik

25-07-2008, 10:54

do you know nothing for j-league?????

wrathchild_uk

25-07-2008, 12:16

i mean look at the latest Video's that are released by EA regarding FIFA09. All they talk about is how they went out in the community and actually listened to what customers had to say. Now that's good marketing.

Yea but that won't be happening with Pro Evo as we all know Konami are way to lazy. :crymore:

Amateur

25-07-2008, 13:14

Bayern Munich gets the boot? Fuuuccckk that. Peice of shit club takes its place. FUCK OFF

What I find ridiculous is all the talk about "Arshavin".. Who cares!! with a proper Edit Mode I could easily create him and Zenit.

Bayern Munich, and Werder Bremen -would- have been more appreciated.

Oh and again, How great is it to hear that They will be including Arshavin (Zenit) in the game -but- will NOT feature the Champions League.. Is that something Positive??

And it's also nice to hear yet again, that PES08 was an unfinished product, a waste of money.

wrathchild_uk

25-07-2008, 14:11

Arshavin is already in pes2008 anyway aint he?

eltonp

25-07-2008, 14:14

i think that a lot of these rumour are fake...

Zenith replacing Bayern? CROWN CHANTS edited???

7vs7 online...

oh... comon, it sounds fake for me

SpArKyCFC

25-07-2008, 14:30

Lorenzinho

25-07-2008, 14:38

I, like many others, will most definitely be renting first.

ads

25-07-2008, 14:41

SpArKyCFC

25-07-2008, 14:53

There's no doubt I'll buy it, as I always do, perhaps cos I'm a mug, I don't know. But I love the game.

I did read on a link on another thread about the MP3 option, a rumour at best I'm sure and then further down it mentioned additional editing features being the ability to adjust calf and thigh measurements. Possibly the gayest addition they could have come up with in fairness.

there are a few more additions to the edit mode, new branded boots & balls and stuff but he didnt mention exactly which brands so i dont want to speculate. i agree, thigh & calf measurements?? why???

ads

25-07-2008, 14:59

there are a few more additions to the edit mode, new branded boots & balls and stuff but he didnt mention exactly which brands so i dont want to speculate. i agree, thigh & calf measurements?? why???

Guess it adds ever so slightly to the realism but still, think they could have concentrated their efforts elsewhere.

Ah well, I'm not gonna turn into one of these moaning cunts who expect a perfect game every year and think Konami read these forums and shit themselves when someone says they'll buy FIFA.

Hunter

25-07-2008, 15:27

Guess it adds ever so slightly to the realism but still, think they could have concentrated their efforts elsewhere.

Ah well, I'm not gonna turn into one of these moaning cunts who expect a perfect game every year and think Konami read these forums and shit themselves when someone says they'll buy FIFA.

That's the problem, they should check the PES forums, something they evidently don't do. If they did, I've no doubt that the PES series would be so much better as they'd understand exactly what the majority of the community want. This includes PESFan, Evo-Web and now PELLUK. It seems EA are now checking their community opinions, and this is working as recently the FIFA series seems to be improving.

Amateur

25-07-2008, 15:33

7v7 is a strong rumour heard by the guy, not confirmed but vastly improved online play is. the spanish league is there with fully licensed teams, whether la liga is fully licensed as a league itself he didnt mention.

Zenith replaced Bayern, there was no arshavin talk other than the fact that he played for zenith & they'd improved his stats slightly after his euro display. Was just something he said.

I was just exaggerating about "the Arshavin Talk.." -but- why didn't he talked about the Gameplay?? The only thing he said was that the "AI in Defence and Attack is massively improved".

I mean, isn't that what they always say? "AI has been massively improved"..

Anyways, I just find it odd that he barely talked about the Gameplay.

Amateur

25-07-2008, 15:39

There's no doubt I'll buy it, as I always do, perhaps cos I'm a mug, I don't know. But I love the game.

I did read on a link on another thread about the MP3 option, a rumour at best I'm sure and then further down it mentioned additional editing features being the ability to adjust calf and thigh measurements. Possibly the gayest addition they could have come up with in fairness.

It might sound gay, but I bet the players will look more realistic now.

However, I would rather see more Significant Features such as; New Controls, New Player Attributes (Stats), A New Dribbling System, etc, etc..

Features that CAN actually improve the Gameplay and make it more realistic.

ads

25-07-2008, 15:41

That's the problem, they should check the PES forums, something they evidently don't do. If they did, I've no doubt that the PES series would be so much better as they'd understand exactly what the majority of the community want. This includes PESFan, Evo-Web and now PELLUK. It seems EA are now checking their community opinions, and this is working as recently the FIFA series seems to be improving.

You're right in a way man but how are they gonna please everyone?

I get what you're saying though, it would do them a whole lot of good if they took feedback on board and what the hardcore fans want but at the end of the day the people who moan will inevitably still buy the game.

Amateur

25-07-2008, 16:01

You're right in a way man but how are they gonna please everyone?

I get what you're saying though, it would do them a whole lot of good if they took feedback on board and what the hardcore fans want but at the end of the day the people who moan will inevitably still buy the game.

Yeah that's true -BUT- it is also true that at the end of the day, the people who still buy the same game with updated kits year after year.. are the REASON for Why Konami keeps releasing slightly touched-up games.

It's cheap and profitable.. why Not?? The fans who "inevitably still buy the game" consistently give Konami a License to keep releasing the same game year after year.

Konami should really start looking at forums, and take particular interest in their hardcore fans -because- really, for How long can they keep this going??

Maybe back in the PS2, they had the legit excuse that the PS2 was NOT capable of more -but- What are they going to say NOW?? How can they possibly justify that a PS3 version of PES is actually worst than the PS2 versions?

How can they justify that PES08 haves the same exact set (system) of Stats and Special abilities that PES4 had?? The same Controls, a worthless Editing Mode, etc, etc.. Is this Next Gen?? A touched-up version of PES6 with good Graphics? Surely, many fans of the series will inevitably grow up.

2-Face

25-07-2008, 16:19

Yeah that's true -BUT- it is also true that at the end of the day, the people who still buy the same game with updated kits year after year.. are the REASON for Why Konami keeps releasing slightly touched-up games.

It's cheap and profitable.. why Not?? The fans who "inevitably still buy the game" consistently give Konami a License to keep releasing the same game year after year.

Konami should really start looking at forums, and take particular interest in their hardcore fans -because- really, for How long can they keep this going??

Maybe back in the PS2, they had the legit excuse that the PS2 was NOT capable of more -but- What are they going to say NOW?? How can they possibly justify that a PS3 version of PES is actually worst than the PS2 versions?

How can they justify that PES08 haves the same exact set (system) of Stats and Special abilities that PES4 had?? The same Controls, a worthless Editing Mode, etc, etc.. Is this Next Gen?? A touched-up version of PES6 with good Graphics? Surely, many fans of the series will inevitably grow up.

Only 4 weeks left. When i am at Leipzig I will either destroy the controller or will jump in the air for joy.

and o yeah. if i have chance to see Seebass i will confront him :D

SpArKyCFC

25-07-2008, 16:34

However, I would rather see more Significant Features such as; New Controls, New Player Attributes (Stats), A New Dribbling System, etc, etc..

Features that CAN actually improve the Gameplay and make it more realistic.

he said tricks are done in a new way if that helps :)

Amateur

25-07-2008, 16:40

Only 4 weeks left. When i am at Leipzig I will either destroy the controller or will jump in the air for joy.

Honestly, if I had the opportunity of testing the game at Leipzig -only- to quickly realize it is just a version of PES6 with good Graphics.. I wouldn't be that disappointed. At least it would be playable and addictive.

However, in my opinion Konami cannot keep this going with PES 2010.. it would be simply unacceptable. I will certainly NOT waste my money on a tweaked version of PES09 by 2010.

Anyways, would love to be there at Leipzig.. I hope someone's honest enough to tell us if it's just as arcadish as PES08 -or- more of the same Old (PES4, PES5, PES6, etc..) -or- Something Different (New).

Amateur

25-07-2008, 16:43

he said tricks are done in a new way if that helps :)

That would surely help.. However, a New system for Dribbling is something risky, it needs plenty of time and effort -because- if done properly, it would add something New into the Gameplay, something we didn't had before.

On the other hand, if NOT done properly, New Dribbling Features could turn out to be arcadish, annoying (repetitive), and Unrealistic.

The perfect example is FIFA, they still haven't realized that their Dribbling System is just too slow and complex for Football. Dribbling should be more Simple and Intuitive.

Cannon ball

25-07-2008, 17:21

I just want Konami to add in loads more teams. It seems they have to get rid of one, to add a new one (Zenit for Bayern, Israel for Latvia, etc). I don't understand it, the capacity of the PS3 and 360 means there can be lots of teams, with no need to get rid of any.

I really want lots of new national teams. It sucks that the African and Asia cups starts at the quarters. Just chuck in every nation in the world thats part of FIFA, even the shitty ones like Faroe Islands, Chad, Nepal, etc. The ultimate challenge would be defeating Brazil as Andorra, or with any other crappy team, on maximum difficulty. We would also be able to play the matches everyone secretly wishes they could, like:

Palestine v Israel - In this quite literally explosive Derby match there is more then local pride at stake. If Palestine win, it means the Israelies must get out of their territory. Victory for Israel means they can continually occupy the Palestinian land. Not a match for the faint hearted.

North Korea v South Korea - Victory for the North means their nation will be sawed off from the South, and will become an island. Completely independent.

Afghanistan v USA - No doubt the Afghans will want to get one over on Bush. They have the chance in a football match.

DJ Clue

25-07-2008, 18:38

I Hope they atleast show something in Leipzig, Germany, Games Convention.

rocky6

25-07-2008, 22:32

what happen to Spanish league???????????????

SpArKyCFC

25-07-2008, 22:39

what happen to Spanish league???????????????

the spanish clubs are all there, fully licensed with kits and team names. i could not confirm whether or not the actual La Liga name was used though, but who gives a toss about that in honesty.

Jess C

25-07-2008, 22:57

http://www.winningelevenblog.com/new...news-invasion/

Says the gameplay has significantly improved from last year's version, far cry from simply a fixed PES2008 and the edit mode is a big improvement, in their words, 'to put it lightly'. Take it with a grain of salt if you will, I'm not believing anything until Konami comfirm it themselves and even then I'll wanna play it for myself, but after last year's hype filled fiasco they're veryfying all their sources before they confirm things. Listen before dismissing.

SpArKyCFC

25-07-2008, 23:02

2-Face

26-07-2008, 00:33

Manual Passing with the analogue stick according to WENB. I will stop complaining now. i heard allot of nice features that really get me excited. i hope they work out nicely

Amateur

26-07-2008, 01:37

who said it was a fixed pes 2008?

I expect it (Speculated it) to be a fixed PES 2008..

However, I hope it proves me wrong. And I guess, we can only wait and see.

That said, I've heard the interview with Adam.. Really liked what I've heard, it's reassuring to hear that PES09 will be very different to PES08.

Because that's all I'm asking from PES09.. I don't care about New Licenses, or an updated Master League -all- I care about is the GAMEPLAY and everything that regards IT. I'm NOT asking for something Revolutionary from PES09..

But I did wanted it to be a change of direction, a Significantly Improved game, a Different game -instead- of just another slightly tweaked game that felt exactly as the game it just replaced.

Now, I'm actually excited about this game, because it's (been claimed to be) something different.

Oh and I must add that, yeah the AI has been "massively" Improved.. that's really great News. However, What I really want to know now is WHAT will determine a player's AI?

What determines a player's off-the-ball Movement?? Is it the same Old Special Abilities -or- will it be determined by more precise Stats?

Amateur

26-07-2008, 03:27

I was wondering, IF Master League Teams are playable for Online Play..

Does this means that I can play with a Created (edited) Team -or- is it strictly for Real Clubs??

shaun7

26-07-2008, 05:29

^Either way it sounds awesome. I don't think they gave enough info so no one knows for sure I guess.

Lami

26-07-2008, 08:54

The fact that we will have to learn how to play it and pes 2008 ways not working is good enough for me :)

SpArKyCFC

26-07-2008, 09:32

Does this means that I can play with a Created (edited) Team -or- is it strictly for Real Clubs??

it means you can play with any team that is saved in master league mode, just like on 2008. If u edit a team, but moving players about, then load up a master league using them then u can take them online, but kit editing & team names revert to deafult, but the players do not. If you make a totally custom team using the master league create team function, u can take them online, but there's no way of assigning players to it other than buying them in master league, or selecting from the naff list. Just like 2008 (on 360)

Amateur

26-07-2008, 16:40

it means you can play with any team that is saved in master league mode, just like on 2008. If u edit a team, but moving players about, then load up a master league using them then u can take them online, but kit editing & team names revert to deafult, but the players do not. If you make a totally custom team using the master league create team function, u can take them online, but there's no way of assigning players to it other than buying them in master league, or selecting from the naff list. Just like 2008 (on 360)

Ok, what I want to know is -if- I create some Classic Players via the Editing Mode, and tweak with their Stats -can- I use those players in the Online Mode? Will their Stats (and Names) be the same??

For example, if I use Luka Modric's face to create Johan Cruijff -basically- if I create a player (from scratch) with the same face (number -if- the Editing is similar to PES5) as Luka Modric, and tweak with the Face settings, and then tweak his Stats to match something similar to what Cruijff was.. and then named him "Johan Cruijff".

Can I use the Edited (Created) "Johan Cruijff" in Online Play??

Can I use Created (Edited) Players in the Online Mode -or- is it strictly for non-edited Players??

And what's the difference -if- I make a totally custom team using the master league create team function??

Is there any possible way of playing Online with a created (edited) Team -without- the Kit Editing and Team name reverting to "default"?

If NOT, then that's a huge let-down for me... I mean, how cool would it be to play Online with an Edited Team Kit.

In my opinion, the less restrictive The Online Play becomes -the- better the experience will be.

MontyP

26-07-2008, 17:11

this interview seems questionable...id like to see how the interviewee is connected to the development of the game...otherwise I'm going to be very suspicious

wrathchild_uk

26-07-2008, 19:34

According to that audio interview on winningelevenblog, the edit mode allows you to create badges and sponsors again like in previous pes versions. Theres supposed to be over 80 different kit templates available too.

Sorry if you guys know this already but no one has mentioned it yet...
:ninja:

SpArKyCFC

26-07-2008, 20:34

Ok, what I want to know is -if- I create some Classic Players via the Editing Mode, and tweak with their Stats -can- I use those players in the Online Mode? Will their Stats (and Names) be the same??

For example, if I use Luka Modric's face to create Johan Cruijff -basically- if I create a player (from scratch) with the same face (number -if- the Editing is similar to PES5) as Luka Modric, and tweak with the Face settings, and then tweak his Stats to match something similar to what Cruijff was.. and then named him "Johan Cruijff".

Can I use the Edited (Created) "Johan Cruijff" in Online Play??

Can I use Created (Edited) Players in the Online Mode -or- is it strictly for non-edited Players??

And what's the difference -if- I make a totally custom team using the master league create team function??

Is there any possible way of playing Online with a created (edited) Team -without- the Kit Editing and Team name reverting to "default"?

If NOT, then that's a huge let-down for me... I mean, how cool would it be to play Online with an Edited Team Kit.

In my opinion, the less restrictive The Online Play becomes -the- better the experience will be.

no idea on 2009, as online play is disabled for now. but in 2008 the only way to play online in a custom kit is if u start a master league season using the "create custom team" mode. but doing this means u cannot chose the players to go in and they are all gash.

so to answer ur question, i highly doubt it!! the only thing confirmed is that u can use ur master league team outside of the master league, which hugely hugely implies it is available online, just like 2008.

Amateur

26-07-2008, 20:44

no idea on 2009, as online play is disabled for now. but in 2008 the only way to play online in a custom kit is if u start a master league season using the "create custom team" mode. but doing this means u cannot chose the players to go in and they are all gash.

so to answer ur question, i highly doubt it!! the only thing confirmed is that u can use ur master league team outside of the master league, which hugely hugely implies it is available online, just like 2008.

Well, ignoring the Customized Team Kits, Team Name, etc, etc.. Is it possible IF for example, I create a player from scratch -and- transfer that player to a Real-Club such as Villarreal (or any other Club).

If I'm playing in the Master League with Villarreal -and- I am playing in the ML with the Edited (Created) Player. Can I use a real club with an Edited Player in the Online Mode?? Or is it strictly for non-edited Players?

Because in any case, I can create the players I want (wich are usually Johan Cruijff, Diego Maradona, Romario, Valderrama, Matt Le Tissier, Ronaldo in his prime, and a few others..) and simply transfer them all to a Club such as Real Madrid.

If NOT, I will have to settle for the players available in the game. A less restrictive Online Play would really make a difference for me.

SpArKyCFC

26-07-2008, 23:53

as far as i know all edited players revert to their default stats online, whether they are in master league or not. this is 2008 btw, have no idea on 2009 but i cant see that changing.

stottmeister

27-07-2008, 00:57

Fifa interprets football as good as my balls interpret a vagina

HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!! nicely put

stottmeister

27-07-2008, 01:37

in 2008 i edited the blank league into the championship sides but could not use them in my master league lower division(on the x-box 360). i cant enjoy the mode when my ml has porto or rangers or galatasaray etc in my domestic league. is there any info on wether this will be the same in 2009

Amateur

27-07-2008, 02:40

as far as i know all edited players revert to their default stats online, whether they are in master league or not. this is 2008 btw, have no idea on 2009 but i cant see that changing.

Then, I really don't see the point of Using ML Teams Online -because- it makes absolutely no difference.

shaun7

27-07-2008, 05:13

Maybe it will change in Pes 2009?

Meyyappan

27-07-2008, 05:54

They should try to make it better why in the hell not include bayern munich??

Lami

27-07-2008, 11:07

Guys, You'll need to read this post by Sparky from pelluk (http://www.pelluk.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1419), the same dude posting on here :)

PES 2009 - Some Clarification

Right then guys (& gal if she's still about), after the initial leak on tuesday of some juicy info & an interview with "mole", the interpretation of the info has spiraled somewhat across the web so I thought it best to clarify a few things, and consolidate all the info we have so far into 1 post. No one expected the news to spread so quickly that within 24 hours the whole online PES world had the interview, most featured on their frontpages. Had i have known that, we'd have tidied up the forum, locked up Jamie & i'd have used the spellchecker before posting it :) perhaps even put a bit more thought into the questions :lol:

Winning Eleven Next-Gen Blog (http://www.winningelevenblog.com/) have brought their podcast in early this week and although it is 45 minutes! :shock: i was shocked at how quickly it went by, it was a good listen and worth it if you've got some time spare, as long as you can excuse the over enthusiasm in their voices :lol: Click Here to download it (http://www.winningelevenblog.com/news/podcast-036-news-invasion/). They cover almost everything i have mentioned, and go a little further on some of it, which mole has also confirmed so they are speaking the truth & if anything this should bring more credibility to this info.

There are however moments in this podcast where moles comments are brought into question, but to be honest, it's more a result of misunderstanding rather than incorrect info & the guys over there acknowledge that. It seems to have stemmed from the very first question where i asked about the gameplay. The reply was "The gameplay is PES2008, the way it should have been". The question was asking whether it was closer to PES6 or 2008, so he answered 2008, but with all the things that are wrong with it, put right. This is a very broad statement and i'm shocked at the number of people who read it as "a repaired version of pes2008". Further down the interview he says that the shooting is totally different, and you can no longer run past players with players like Messi, hardly the mark of "a repaired version of pes2008".... He has also told me that the through ball system is also quite different. The point he was trying to make was that it is NOT a new game engine, as some were expecting, it is instead 2008 but with all the bad features improved, like the ease of scoring, poor accuracy of through balls, running through whole teams with 1 talented player. He has also since mentioned that it does run slower than 2008 & that the infamous RT shot now invariably floats into the keepers arms. There is a whole section in the podcast relating to how mole thinks the graphics are the best he's seen in a sports game, but the truth is he never said that at all. He said they were similar ffs, but that the lighting effects were the best he'd seen, not the graphics on a whole, and again this is just his oppinion, + he hasn't seen fifa09.

The guys over on WENB are under embargo on a lot of things so are not allowed to put stuff in writing, but i have signed fuck all so I will attempt to colate the things revealed so far.

The game features fully licensed clubs with kits & club names from Spain, France, Holland & Italy. The game features non licensed clubs from England as usual with the exception of Liverpool & Man Utd who are fully licensed. Carlsberg does not feature on the liverpool shirt. Now the only thing here that should be noted is that although the spanish league has fully licensed clubs, the league itself is not licensed. Meaning it will be called Spanish Division or something, rather than La Liga.

Bayern Munich are no longer in the game. They have been replaced by Zenith St Petersburg, exactly what it says on the tin really.

Adam (in the podcast) touches on a new control system for manual passes in 2009 on the podcast, and later last night let the cat out of the bag on the WENB forum, so i'll just clarify here for u PELL UK'ers who probably haven't been arsed to go over there to look. Manual passes no longer require you to click the right analogue stick to make them, u simply point the right analogue stick in the direction u want to pass and it does. Hold it for longer and it's harder. Simple? yes, a fantastic alteration in my oppinion. But what about tricks I hear you asking... well, all you do is hold down RT and your normal analogue stick (or D-pad if ur xquis1te) turns into a tricks stick, much like the right stick is normally in 2008. Superb!!

Become a Legend Mode, or a total knock-off of FIFAs "be a pro". You start off with a trial match you dont get to see your personal stats until after this match. The better you play, the better your stats are to start off with. After the trial game you get offers from various clubs & once you join you play for the reserves in training against the first team to see if u can force your way in. Really really good idea & a bit of a variation on FIFA's offering, I think it could be the way forward. Obviously from there you begin your career, the better you play the better your stats become.

Online Play. There is no confirmed info from me for online play. There is a strong rumour for 7vs7, but this is far from confirmed. Playing master league teams online is also not 100% confirmed, but they can be used outside of the master league just like on 2008 so for them not to be able to be played online would be completely illogical & stupid on konamis part.

Wembley has been added to the stadiums list, and looks awesome!! Anfield & Old Trafford are NOT in it, despite moles speculation that they might be.

Recently used teams. Something that was announced last tuesday but didn't get picked up on was the addition of a "recently used teams" section on the team select screen. Does exactly what it says on the tin really. Is a useful option in my oppinion :)

Champions League. Is it in is it not? Lots of people seem awfully convinced it will be in there, and from what i'm told they have good reason to be. However mole confirmed that so far there is no sign of champions league at all in the code of 2009 they have. It has been suggested that it could be incorporated into the master league. If this is the case, then it would feature in season 2, which mole has not reached so cannot confirm or deny this. It could also be added in later code, COULD being quite a weak word in his oppinion.

Team Editor. This is where myself and mole have let you down slightly. We have no real interest in the editor in 2008 or 2009. I asked him about it, and he said, "looks pretty much the same as before", now when this was questioned by others in the know he's looked into it more and there are a few additions. This says it all really "i hardly looked at the editor. Bored me to be honest." & i personally agree with that statement. There are additionally licensed boots and balls along with a fuck load of shirt options for all u editing bods to drool over.

There is an option to import chants into the game in the form of mp3 files, these can then be asigned to specific clubs. WEBN seem to think this is unique to the playstation versions of the game, which could well be the case. How exactly you get a file to sound like a crowd chant i have no idea, but i would imagine there will be an array of different files available once all the option file editing goons get their hands on it.

So far NO pictures or Youtube videos posted of the menus are authentic.

There have been no "slowdown" or "framerate" issues reported from anyone who has played the game. & online is running spot-on.

Master League appears not to have been altered at all. Colours and fonts etc have been altered to match the new interface, but the general menu layout etc at first glance would appear the same.

The key thing that mole has been impressed with is the collision detection. Gone are the days where you make a perfect sliding tackle that gets the ball then the man, only for it to be called back for a free kick & yellow card. The physics just work.. for once.

So there you go, everything that has been leaked so far, that I stand by & believe in, in 1 thread. We have an improved PES, a working online, improved gameplay, a new fascinating game mode & the simply scrumptious possibility of more than 1vs1 online!!!! How can this not be great news??

With all this in mind, Season 5 for PELL UK will truely be the best yet with the board drawing on experiances during seasons 3 & 4, & building on them to produce the best format yet, messy forum or not, Total Football Management is here to stay!!

Bring on October!!! :D

skullverine

27-07-2008, 11:36

Meh, no Old Trafford and the Master League hasn't changed at all. The only thing that impress me is the be a legend mode.

Lami

27-07-2008, 11:38

Pretty impressed by this part myself:

The key thing that mole has been impressed with is the collision detection. Gone are the days where you make a perfect sliding tackle that gets the ball then the man, only for it to be called back for a free kick & yellow card. The physics just work.. for once.

Cannon ball

27-07-2008, 11:41

No Anfield or Old Trafford. Man, it gets worse.

SpArKyCFC

27-07-2008, 11:51

No Anfield or Old Trafford. Man, it gets worse.

not yet anyway. others have heard they will be there, but from me, they are not there yet.

Baddar

27-07-2008, 11:57

Lami

27-07-2008, 12:00

That all sounds fine to me.

One thing though, from that it seems the editor is pretty much the same, so would that mean we can only have 8 "uniforms" (or however many it was) in the game, just like 2008? And that we won't be able to change the unlicensed teams' emblems?

If so, that's a let-down. I know there's problems with making illegal option files, but I was under the impression that Konami were allowed to give us the option to input these things, just not do it for us. Like for instance, team names. We have London FC, but it's easily changed to Chelsea by the user. Something similar for the badges like all previous versions before 2008 would be nice.

Team Editor. This is where myself and mole have let you down slightly. We have no real interest in the editor in 2008 or 2009. I asked him about it, and he said, "looks pretty much the same as before", now when this was questioned by others in the know he's looked into it more and there are a few additions. This says it all really "i hardly looked at the editor. Bored me to be honest." & i personally agree with that statement. There are additionally licensed boots and balls along with a fuck load of shirt options for all u editing bods to drool over.

:happy:

EDIT: If we have licensed addidas, nike, and puma boots then surely we have them for kits, balls as well? I'm thinking from past PES experience. The same goes to Trafford and Anfield. Every time we had 2 licensed EPL teams we also had their ground with 'em, no?

Baddar

27-07-2008, 12:19

DJ Clue

27-07-2008, 13:01

The key thing that mole has been impressed with is the collision detection. Gone are the days where you make a perfect sliding tackle that gets the ball then the man, only for it to be called back for a free kick & yellow card. The physics just work.. for once.Hope its true.

ARSENALRULE

27-07-2008, 13:29

sounds shit!!!!!!!!!!!!
im a pro fanatic an i really fort after last years attempt they would come back bigger an better than ever.. more leagues,cups,modes,training schemes an licences.. an top of the list GAMEPLAY!!! SHOOTING, FREE KICKS, VOLLEYS IMPROVED AN THEM STUPID KEEPERS GONE FOREVER!! TIME WILL TELL.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amateur

27-07-2008, 17:09

Guys, You'll need to read this post by Sparky from pelluk (http://www.pelluk.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1419), the same dude posting on here :)

Manual passes no longer require you to click the right analogue stick to make them, u simply point the right analogue stick in the direction u want to pass and it does. Hold it for longer and it's harder. Simple? yes, a fantastic alteration in my oppinion. But what about tricks I hear you asking... well, all you do is hold down RT and your normal analogue stick (or D-pad if ur xquis1te) turns into a tricks stick, much like the right stick is normally in 2008. Superb!!
------------------------------------------------------------------------

What's the "RT"?? And by the way, that New Dribbling Feature about the "Normal Stick" turning (shifting) into a "Tricks Stick" -I- have been saying that since PES6..

FIFA haves it all wrong because it takes too much TIME, holding the R2 + using the Right Stick is too complicated for Football (where TIMING is essential). This will be yet another example of Konami having a better idea of what a Football Sim should be, about the way Controls should be; Simple and Intuitive.

That said, there are LOTS of things that CAN be done with the Dribbling.

Anyways, the game is sounding better already.. One option (that doesn't regards Gameplay) I would like to have -is- to use edited Teams and Player in Online Play. I think that would be awesome, playing Online with my own (created) Team Kits, etc, etc..

Baddar

27-07-2008, 19:02

What's the "RT"?? And by the way, that New Dribbling Feature about the "Normal Stick" turning (shifting) into a "Tricks Stick" -I- have been saying that since PES6..

Anyways, the game is sounding better already.. One option (that doesn't regards Gameplay) I would like to have -is- to use edited Teams and Player in Online Play. I think that would be awesome, playing Online with my own (created) Team Kits, etc, etc..

1) RT = Right Trigger/R1 or R2 maybe?

2) Using edited players and teams can have it's downfalls though. I know I for one wouldn't want to be up against a team with 99's across the board all the time.

Amateur

27-07-2008, 19:09

1) RT = Right Trigger/R1 or R2 maybe?

2) Using edited players and teams can have it's downfalls though. I know I for one wouldn't want to be up against a team with 99's across the board all the time.

In my opinion, it doesn't haves any downfalls -because- you can choose who you're going to play against. If you don't want to play against a Dream-Team then don't..

I mean, it's pretty much the same thing right now, most of the people play with Brazil, Argentina, Barcelona, etc, etc..

In my opinion, playing against star-studded Teams makes a better challenge.

By the way, that's funny -because- when PES6 was released -I- was talking about New (Possible) Dribbling Features that could be introduced for future versions.. and I came up with that same idea about pressing the R2 button and then using the Left Stick as a Feints (or Tricks) Stick.

And aside from that New Feature, there are plenty of things that can be introduced into the Dribbling system.

Anyways, PES09 sounds like a good game.. Hope, it haves a less restrictive Online Play.

SpArKyCFC

27-07-2008, 19:31

On the stadiums, yes, whenever a PL team has been licensed, we've had the stadium to go with them I think.

But wait, was White Hart Lane in 2008? I haven't played the game in ages, but I don't recall it.

Also, just because it says we have a "fuck load of shirt options" it still doesn't mean we can have the real emblems and place them on the shirts of as many teams as we like.

So I'm not holding my breath on that just yet.

i'm not sure if white hart lane or st james' are in 2008. If they are, they definitely aren't called the correct names. Mole originally speculated that they'd be in there & some ppl took it as gospel, but he has checked and they arent there... yet. so doesnt mean they wont be, but is unlikely if wembley has already been added.

SpArKyCFC

27-07-2008, 19:33

Pierre

27-07-2008, 19:42

when are we gonna get some godamn pictures?!!

Chelseaboy19

27-07-2008, 20:37

i'm not sure if white hart lane or st james' are in 2008. If they are, they definitely aren't called the correct names. Mole originally speculated that they'd be in there & some ppl took it as gospel, but he has checked and they arent there... yet. so doesnt mean they wont be, but is unlikely if wembley has already been added.

St James Park' was in the PS2 version of PES2008, but it wasn't called St James Park' it was called 'Magpie Park'.

And White Hart Lane wasn't even included in the game.

2-Face

27-07-2008, 21:15

when are we gonna get some godamn pictures?!!

Within 2 weeks. i know this for a fact cause many people who will get a chance to play the game will leak. it happens almost every year.

NovAGaZ 08

29-07-2008, 16:06

Kevthedrummer

29-07-2008, 16:08

?

what are you asking there?

NovAGaZ 08

29-07-2008, 16:49

Baddar

29-07-2008, 16:51

Anyone know how ta get da pach?

What are you asking there? >_>

Whoa09

29-07-2008, 22:31

I think the diving option is a dumb idea and a waste of a button cause that button could be used for something more important!

PESFan92

29-07-2008, 23:35

Originally Posted by oO SpArKyCFC Oo

PES 2009 - Some Clarification

Right then guys (& gal if she's still about), after the initial leak on tuesday of some juicy info & an interview with "mole", the interpretation of the info has spiraled somewhat across the web so I thought it best to clarify a few things, and consolidate all the info we have so far into 1 post. No one expected the news to spread so quickly that within 24 hours the whole online PES world had the interview, most featured on their frontpages. Had i have known that, we'd have tidied up the forum, locked up Jamie & i'd have used the spellchecker before posting it perhaps even put a bit more thought into the questions

Winning Eleven Next-Gen Blog have brought their podcast in early this week and although it is 45 minutes! :shock: i was shocked at how quickly it went by, it was a good listen and worth it if you've got some time spare, as long as you can excuse the over enthusiasm in their voices Click Here to download it. They cover almost everything i have mentioned, and go a little further on some of it, which mole has also confirmed so they are speaking the truth & if anything this should bring more credibility to this info.

There are however moments in this podcast where moles comments are brought into question, but to be honest, it's more a result of misunderstanding rather than incorrect info & the guys over there acknowledge that. It seems to have stemmed from the very first question where i asked about the gameplay. The reply was "The gameplay is PES2008, the way it should have been". The question was asking whether it was closer to PES6 or 2008, so he answered 2008, but with all the things that are wrong with it, put right. This is a very broad statement and i'm shocked at the number of people who read it as "a repaired version of pes2008". Further down the interview he says that the shooting is totally different, and you can no longer run past players with players like Messi, hardly the mark of "a repaired version of pes2008".... He has also told me that the through ball system is also quite different. The point he was trying to make was that it is NOT a new game engine, as some were expecting, it is instead 2008 but with all the bad features improved, like the ease of scoring, poor accuracy of through balls, running through whole teams with 1 talented player. He has also since mentioned that it does run slower than 2008 & that the infamous RT shot now invariably floats into the keepers arms. There is a whole section in the podcast relating to how mole thinks the graphics are the best he's seen in a sports game, but the truth is he never said that at all. He said they were similar ffs, but that the lighting effects were the best he'd seen, not the graphics on a whole, and again this is just his oppinion, + he hasn't seen fifa09.

The guys over on WENB are under embargo on a lot of things so are not allowed to put stuff in writing, but i have signed fuck all so I will attempt to colate the things revealed so far.

The game features fully licensed clubs with kits & club names from Spain, France, Holland & Italy. The game features non licensed clubs from England as usual with the exception of Liverpool & Man Utd who are fully licensed. Carlsberg does not feature on the liverpool shirt. Now the only thing here that should be noted is that although the spanish league has fully licensed clubs, the league itself is not licensed. Meaning it will be called Spanish Division or something, rather than La Liga.

Bayern Munich are no longer in the game. They have been replaced by Zenith St Petersburg, exactly what it says on the tin really.

Adam (in the podcast) touches on a new control system for manual passes in 2009 on the podcast, and later last night let the cat out of the bag on the WENB forum, so i'll just clarify here for u PELL UK'ers who probably haven't been arsed to go over there to look. Manual passes no longer require you to click the right analogue stick to make them, u simply point the right analogue stick in the direction u want to pass and it does. Hold it for longer and it's harder. Simple? yes, a fantastic alteration in my oppinion. But what about tricks I hear you asking... well, all you do is hold down RT and your normal analogue stick (or D-pad if ur xquis1te) turns into a tricks stick, much like the right stick is normally in 2008. Superb!!

Become a Legend Mode, or a total knock-off of FIFAs "be a pro". You start off with a trial match you dont get to see your personal stats until after this match. The better you play, the better your stats are to start off with. After the trial game you get offers from various clubs & once you join you play for the reserves in training against the first team to see if u can force your way in. Really really good idea & a bit of a variation on FIFA's offering, I think it could be the way forward. Obviously from there you begin your career, the better you play the better your stats become.

Online Play. There is no confirmed info from me for online play. There is a strong rumour for 7vs7, but this is far from confirmed. Playing master league teams online is also not 100% confirmed, but they can be used outside of the master league just like on 2008 so for them not to be able to be played online would be completely illogical & stupid on konamis part.

Wembley has been added to the stadiums list, and looks awesome!! Anfield & Old Trafford are NOT in it, despite moles speculation that they might be.

Recently used teams. Something that was announced last tuesday but didn't get picked up on was the addition of a "recently used teams" section on the team select screen. Does exactly what it says on the tin really. Is a useful option in my oppinion

Champions League. Is it in is it not? Lots of people seem awfully convinced it will be in there, and from what i'm told they have good reason to be. However mole confirmed that so far there is no sign of champions league at all in the code of 2009 they have. It has been suggested that it could be incorporated into the master league. If this is the case, then it would feature in season 2, which mole has not reached so cannot confirm or deny this. It could also be added in later code, COULD being quite a weak word in his oppinion.

Team Editor. This is where myself and mole have let you down slightly. We have no real interest in the editor in 2008 or 2009. I asked him about it, and he said, "looks pretty much the same as before", now when this was questioned by others in the know he's looked into it more and there are a few additions. This says it all really "i hardly looked at the editor. Bored me to be honest." & i personally agree with that statement. There are additionally licensed boots and balls along with a fuck load of shirt options for all u editing bods to drool over.

There is an option to import chants into the game in the form of mp3 files, these can then be asigned to specific clubs. WEBN seem to think this is unique to the playstation versions of the game, which could well be the case. How exactly you get a file to sound like a crowd chant i have no idea, but i would imagine there will be an array of different files available once all the option file editing goons get their hands on it.

So far NO pictures or Youtube videos posted of the menus are authentic.

There have been no "slowdown" or "framerate" issues reported from anyone who has played the game. & online is running spot-on.

Master League appears not to have been altered at all. Colours and fonts etc have been altered to match the new interface, but the general menu layout etc at first glance would appear the same.

The key thing that mole has been impressed with is the collision detection. Gone are the days where you make a perfect sliding tackle that gets the ball then the man, only for it to be called back for a free kick & yellow card. The physics just work.. for once.

So there you go, everything that has been leaked so far, that I stand by & believe in, in 1 thread. We have an improved PES, a working online, improved gameplay, a new fascinating game mode & the simply scrumptious possibility of more than 1vs1 online!!!! How can this not be great news??

With all this in mind, Season 5 for PELL UK will truely be the best yet with the board drawing on experiances during seasons 3 & 4, & building on them to produce the best format yet, messy forum or not, Total Football Management is here to stay!!

Bring on October!!!:D

Am i the only one really looking forward to PES Now? Become A Legend sounds fantastic, if they have improved everything wrong with PES2008, I can't help but imagine that KONAMI have been listening to us and maybe PES2009 can be better than FIFA 09

Jess C

30-07-2008, 05:11

I think the diving option is a dumb idea and a waste of a button cause that button could be used for something more important!

Button combination. L2 + R2 + L1/R1... Hardly a waste of a button.

Jess C

30-07-2008, 05:13

Am i the only one really looking forward to PES Now? Become A Legend sounds fantastic, if they have improved everything wrong with PES2008, I can't help but imagine that KONAMI have been listening to us and maybe PES2009 can be better than FIFA 09

I know I am. Last year's was awful by their standards but it was still enjoyable for the most part (though I finished with it at least a good month or three months or so earlier than I normally do for any Pro Evo), after hearing the last podcast on WENB I gotta say they've got me excited for this one.

shaun7

30-07-2008, 05:29

Am i the only one really looking forward to PES Now? Become A Legend sounds fantastic, if they have improved everything wrong with PES2008, I can't help but imagine that KONAMI have been listening to us and maybe PES2009 can be better than FIFA 09

You're not the only one. I'm also really looking forward to Pes 2009.Pes 2009 ftw. Well I hope so.

Amateur

30-07-2008, 18:49

Am i the only one really looking forward to PES Now? Become A Legend sounds fantastic, if they have improved everything wrong with PES2008, I can't help but imagine that KONAMI have been listening to us and maybe PES2009 can be better than FIFA 09

I'm also looking forwards to PES09, because (even though it is ridiculously outdated) a version of PES6 with good Graphics will always be an enjoyable game.

However, I would really appreciate it if Konami introduces a few New Player Attributes -or- replaces some Old Stats with New Stats.

For example replacing the Old Passing Stats; Short Pass Accuracy, Short Pass Speed, Long Pass Accuracy, and Long Pass Speed -with- Short Ground Pass, Short Lobbed Pass, Long Ground Pass, Long Lobbed Pass, Short Ground Through Ball, Long Ground Though Ball, and Passing Technique.

I would really like to see some aspects improving, for example ONLY 2 Stats determine a player's Dribbling Ability.. So, I would just like to see a PES with more Depth and Substance in every aspect -and- in order to do that Konami needs to introduce some very important Stats that are currently missing.

And again, by plain Logic -in- order to make a better Football game, one must include more Stats and Special Abilities -so- that the game becomes more about Team effort.

Who's the better Defensive Midfielder?? What type of player fits into your Tactical scheme?? This are the things I would like to see in future versions.. the kind of things (questions) that are unimportant now -because- you can effectively place a star-player in ANY Position.

I mean, something that must be improved in current Football Sims is their Tactical Awareness.. How a player reads the game from all different Positions in the pitch.

For example, Juan Roman Riquelme is probably the best player at reading the game (and moving according to it) from the Attacking Half of the pitch. On the other hand, Makelele (although NOT as good at reading play from more Advanced Positions) is just as good at reading play from Deep Positions such as the Defensive Midfielder role.

I would like to see those BASIC differences in future versions of the game.

It is that feel of indifference that really bores me -the- FACT that the Stats and Special Abilities are too Limited to properly cover many BASIC aspects of Football. I would really appreciate it if Konami can turn PES into a more realistic Football Sim.

But anyways, I'm also looking forwards to PES09.. hope it's a decent game, something new and different.

shaun7

30-07-2008, 19:20

^The abilities and stats really bother you do they? Well you're not alone. I hate it because they're so outdated.

Amateur

30-07-2008, 20:02

^The abilities and stats really bother you do they? Well you're not alone. I hate it because they're so outdated.

It bothers me because it just feels so INDIFFERENT.. everyone haves the same Dribbling Moves, any star-player can be successful in any position, Michael Ballack is better than the likes of Riquelme and Zidane, there's no Stats to cover for Shielding, etc, etc..

I mean, the Passing Stats are very outdated, just 4 Stats to cover for Passing?? Passing and Movement makes Football -and- as such Passing and Movement should be a priority.

And what about Finishing Stats (in this case Shooting Stats)?? Not even a Stat for Chip Shots, or Long Range Shots.

And Dribbling Stats?? Dribbling Accuracy and Dribbling Speed? Call me crazy, but 2 Dribbling Stats just doesn't cut it for a PS3 Football Sim. At the very least, future versions of PES should include Dribbling Stats such as; Shielding, Cutting the Ball ability, Dribbling Technique, and Body Feints.

Examples are endless, but I won't bother you with that now.. The point I'm trying to make is that PES6 was good for it's Time, but for a PS3 game it is very Outdated; the Stats and Special Abilities are outdated, the Controls are outdated, etc, etc.. The whole game is outdated because it is merely a touched-up version of the previous installment.

So Bottom Line is that even a version of PES6 with good Graphics and some subtle Tweaks -haves- plenty of room to improve, and some obvious things that must be done in order to improve is to include a system of Stats and Special Abilities that covers all the many Different Aspects about Football.

A Next Gen system of Stats to cover all the many faces of Football; Strength, Pace, Technical abilities, Tactical abilities, Passing abilities, Finishing abilities, Shielding ability, Defensive abilities, Attacking abilities, First-Touch (Trapping) abilities, etc, etc..

All the many Different Types of Skills (and Players) that make Football a Team effort -rather- than a sport run by Individuals.