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freestyleh7
18-03-2009, 18:39
Abit early yes but i just saw some interesting information regarding pro evo 2010 on W.E.N.B
# PES 2010 team will have 200 extra people working on the game
# New graphics and animation engine
# The Spanish La Liga license is back, amongst other lost licenses in the past
# The community mode is in
# Master League revamp
# The UEFA Europa License is a target
# 10 vs 10 online is a target
your thoughts, and if you have any other pro evo 2010 information post it up in here saves making another thread.
Phatmann
18-03-2009, 18:43
10 vs 10 online is a target? Perhaps they should start smaller and work on 1 vs 1 a bit more and make it work well rather than aiming to expand to 10 vs 10.
Foxhound
18-03-2009, 18:48
For me, a new game engine is a must.
iamcanadianeh
18-03-2009, 18:48
You could add to that the hint that it will have 360 degree movement. It wasn't an "official" rumour, but something hinted at by a guy with good connections (Caniggia). Since everything is just rumours, and all rumours are pretty much equal, I'd put that one on the list.
BTW - I like the idea of posting latest news on PES 2010, from whatever site it comes from, in here. Even if the news is from elsewhere, it's good for us on PESGAMING to be able to discuss all the speculation freely. This should be sticky IMO so that we can keep it up to date, and reduce the amount of related posts into one main one.
To be honest, I couldn't care. I mean, absolutely everything we've ever been told by Konami since it reached next-gen has been unfounded and often ridiculously exaggerated. I've been playing PES 2009 since release day, and only last week did I start playing FIFA 09 since a friend bought it. I just now need to decide which game I will choose come Autumn.
Even if they have 200 people working on PES 2010, I have no hope to be completely honest. They couldn't even get 1 vs. 1 to work online, so how they are to expand to 10 vs. 10 I'll have no idea. PES6 was perfect online, and didn't need any improving, instead, they just decided to make the next two PES games unplayable online. It's never expansion with Konami, just replacement. They'll remove aspects of each game in order to accommodate new features. I could probably make the statement right now that FIFA 09 will be better than PES 2010 based on Konami's lack of improvements from the last 3 PES installments.
You could add to that the hint that it will have 360 degree movement. It wasn't an "official" rumour, but something hinted at by a guy with good connections (Caniggia). Since everything is just rumours, and all rumours are pretty much equal, I'd put that one on the list.
BTW - I like the idea of posting latest news on PES 2010, from whatever site it comes from, in here. Even if the news is from elsewhere, it's good for us on PESGAMING to be able to discuss all the speculation freely. This should be sticky IMO so that we can keep it up to date, and reduce the amount of related posts into one main one.
This will never ever, ever ever, ever ever, ever be even considered as a sticky.
Reason being, once the n00bs get a hold of it, after maybe 2 pages, it'll turn into a PES vs FIFA debate.
freestyleh7
18-03-2009, 19:41
This will never ever, ever ever, ever ever, ever be even considered as a sticky.
Reason being, once the n00bs get a hold of it, after maybe 2 pages, it'll turn into a PES vs FIFA debate.
Fair point, but isnt this website called pesgaming yellow cards should now be dished out to anyone who mentions fifa 09's goodness or news in this thread.
iamcanadianeh
18-03-2009, 21:42
This will never ever, ever ever, ever ever, ever be even considered as a sticky.
Reason being, once the n00bs get a hold of it, after maybe 2 pages, it'll turn into a PES vs FIFA debate.
You're probably right there :D, but I'd like to see a latest news section on this site or something like it - somewhere to discuss the latest rumours as they pour in.
Don't really care though, just a suggestion.
As for whether these romours will really materialize... Well, geez, nobody knows that, it's just interesting to begin to hear what may be in store for the next version. I personally am not concerned about the future of the series, because I enjoyed PES 09 and can see that although the transition to Next Gen has obviously been difficult for Konami, that things are definitely headed in the right direction. Maybe a bit too slowly for some people, but headed in the right direction regardless.
Anyway, even in the romour mill these are only being sited as targets for being in 2010. The game isn't completed, obviously, so things like 10 vs 10 are just what they are, apparently, trying to achieve.
You could add to that the hint that it will have 360 degree movement. It wasn't an "official" rumour, but something hinted at by a guy with good connections (Caniggia). Since everything is just rumours, and all rumours are pretty much equal, I'd put that one on the list.
BTW - I like the idea of posting latest news on PES 2010, from whatever site it comes from, in here. Even if the news is from elsewhere, it's good for us on PESGAMING to be able to discuss all the speculation freely. This should be sticky IMO so that we can keep it up to date, and reduce the amount of related posts into one main one.
Well the truth is that PES needs 360ª movement, and most of us are expecting 360ª movements in PES 2010.
Can you imagine how sales would go if PES 2010 played with the same 8-directional movements and passing??
Personally, I will not spend another 50 bucks on a game like PES09. I've had enough of 8-directional movements and arcade play. It is not Next Gen and it isn't close to playing like a Next Gen game.
The Graphics could also improve significantly, although IMO it shouldn't be a priority.
And just to speak my mind, I really don't give a damn about the "BAL" or the "10 vs 10". In my opinion those "new features" are just new ways for screwing us over.
Which is pretty much how This business works.. the game never really evolves, and they never show any intention in evolving.
You just buy one of their games, fall in love with it, you start expecting improvements in the next installment.. and then after 4 or 5 years of being a loyal customer -you- finally understand that the game will never evolve.
It's just new paint on the same car. But fact remains that you bought the product for 4 or 5 years.. and that just like you, somebody else, probably younger, will be a 1st time buyer.
Anyways..
I think the priorities should be in bringing back the Fluid Movements of the PES of old. If Konami cannot accomplish this with PES 2010 they will take a serious dip in sales, probably worst than this year's.
Hopefully the "new graphics and animations" will come hand-in-hand with New STATS. Plus a host of New Controls.
Other than that, The game needs New and more Accurate Foundations. Which is pretty much The Bottom Line.
Otherwise, the movements can improve, the graphics, we could even have all the licenses and modes in the world -BUT- if the Stats remain the same, the Gameplay will pretty much remain the same at its core.
And that's where PES should really start improving. They need to Upgrade their Foundations.
I'd like to think they will start doing that with PES 2010. Although I know it won't happen any time soon for whatever excuse or reason. It's a lost cause as far as I'm concerned.
1 ON 1 was tolerable but still awful compared to other games, 2 v 2 was unplayable....so 10 v 10 HA i dont think so.
DublinGunner
19-03-2009, 16:30
TBH I'd love some better atmospheric improvements.
1. Crowd. The crowd looks crap, needs serious improvement.
2. Crowd chants / songs. Would it be so difficult to even pick the top 10-20 teams and have real crowd chants going off during the game?
3. Commentary needs a complete overhaul. How about they say stuff that you'd actually expect from a commentator? i.e. [team] takes the lead, instead of 'they', [player] scores, instead of 'he' etc
4. Ball sounds are terrible, needs improving.
5. It snows at football games. We need snow.
6. Get rid of the stupid really weird round shadows that seem to overlay the normal shadows.
7. Shadows do not cast in shaded areas of the pitch Konami. Grrrr.....
8. In BAL, can we have the real league names? Or at least English/Dutch/Spanish etc instead of league C/D etc
9. Champions league is licensed. Why can this not be incorporated into BAL instead of Euro Championship?
10. Is it that difficult to call the international cup the world cup? (or is this another bloomin' license issue?)
11. For us Irish lads, I'd love to hear Eamonn Dunphy and Johnny Giles ha ha! Never gonna happen but that would be hilarious!
I'll post again when I can think of more!
iamcanadianeh
19-03-2009, 16:42
Well... Seems to me like we're definitely unable to keep this thread on the subject of new rumours and news. Point taken.
DublinGunner
19-03-2009, 16:54
Bugger, I posted my last post in the wrong thread!!
Damn you tabbed browsing.........
TBH I'd love some better atmospheric improvements.
1. Crowd. The crowd looks crap, needs serious improvement.
2. Crowd chants / songs. Would it be so difficult to even pick the top 10-20 teams and have real crowd chants going off during the game?
3. Commentary needs a complete overhaul. How about they say stuff that you'd actually expect from a commentator? i.e. [team] takes the lead, instead of 'they', [player] scores, instead of 'he' etc
4. Ball sounds are terrible, needs improving.
5. It snows at football games. We need snow.
6. Get rid of the stupid really weird round shadows that seem to overlay the normal shadows.
7. Shadows do not cast in shaded areas of the pitch Konami. Grrrr.....
8. In BAL, can we have the real league names? Or at least English/Dutch/Spanish etc instead of league C/D etc
9. Champions league is licensed. Why can this not be incorporated into BAL instead of Euro Championship?
10. Is it that difficult to call the international cup the world cup? (or is this another bloomin' license issue?)
11. For us Irish lads, I'd love to hear Eamonn Dunphy and Johnny Giles ha ha! Never gonna happen but that would be hilarious!
I'll post again when I can think of more!
And with the exclusion of better "Commentaries"..
Do you think any of that will actually change The Gameplay??
A lot of light-weight details that would go unnoticed by most fans because it haves nothing to do with The Actual Gameplay. Wasted effort, in my opinion.
More importantly a new gaming engine. PES of late has lost its fluidity and while I do admit PES 09 is fun as i still play it regularly, it certainly does not have the lasting appeal or addictiveness of older pro evo's e.g. pes 4,5,6....Gameplay changes definitely has to be the focus as they can implement new features all they want but the change in how the game plays will evidently determine whether pes fans love it or hate it.
More importantly a new gaming engine. PES of late has lost its fluidity and while I do admit PES 09 is fun as i still play it regularly, it certainly does not have the lasting appeal or addictiveness of older pro evo's e.g. pes 4,5,6....Gameplay changes definitely has to be the focus as they can implement new features all they want but the change in how the game plays will evidently determine whether pes fans love it or hate it.
Couldn't agree more.. it's good to see more people admitting that.
Because really, it's just annoying that after so many years some people are still asking for the same damn improvement, as if they'd make a significant difference.
PES 2009 could have all the modes in the world, it could have all the licenses money can buy, it could have perfect Online Play -BUT- at its core, it would still be the same old rubbish.
"BAL" mode and "10 vs 10" are just light-weight details, unimportant in the long run.
The important thing is the quality of the Gameplay, which has gone down the drain. It just doesn't feels like Football, it lacks plenty of intensity and substance. It isn't addictive enough.
I feel that too much effort is being wasted on unimportant things such as the "Champions league" and the "BAL" mode. Konami needs to revolutionize their Gameplay from the ground up, they need to revolutionize their Foundations.
I'm repeating myself yet again.. and probably some forum members will be annoyed by that. But if the game remains unchanged, and the flaws remain the same, How can I not repeat myself ?
That said, I think that Next Gen Consoles are capable of a much better Football Sim than either PES09 or FIFA09. And I think we can have an Influence on how PES Evolves from now on. Which is great.
But we must be more realistic, demanding and objective with our demands. Fortunately, the sales have dropped significantly with PES09, and as a result Konami supposedly hired some extra 200 guys to work on PES 2010.
I suppose that Now we can expect Significant Improvements.. Maybe we'll find a host of New Stats and other Relevant Improvements in PES 2010.
Took long enough.
Couldn't agree more.. it's good to see more people admitting that.
Because really, it's just annoying that after so many years some people are still asking for the same damn improvement, as if they'd make a significant difference.
PES 2009 could have all the modes in the world, it could have all the licenses money can buy, it could have perfect Online Play -BUT- at its core, it would still be the same old rubbish.
"BAL" mode and "10 vs 10" are just light-weight details, unimportant in the long run.
The important thing is the quality of the Gameplay, which has gone down the drain. It just doesn't feels like Football, it lacks plenty of intensity and substance. It isn't addictive enough.
I feel that too much effort is being wasted on unimportant things such as the "Champions league" and the "BAL" mode. Konami needs to revolutionize their Gameplay from the ground up, they need to revolutionize their Foundations.
I'm repeating myself yet again.. and probably some forum members will be annoyed by that. But if the game remains unchanged, and the flaws remain the same, How can I not repeat myself ?
That said, I think that Next Gen Consoles are capable of a much better Football Sim than either PES09 or FIFA09. And I think we can have an Influence on how PES Evolves from now on. Which is great.
But we must be more realistic, demanding and objective with our demands. Fortunately, the sales have dropped significantly with PES09, and as a result Konami supposedly hired some extra 200 guys to work on PES 2010.
I suppose that Now we can expect Significant Improvements.. Maybe we'll find a host of New Stats and other Relevant Improvements in PES 2010.
Took long enough.
Im with you all the way on that one Amateur!!
DublinGunner
20-03-2009, 13:23
And with the exclusion of better "Commentaries"..
Do you think any of that will actually change The Gameplay??
A lot of light-weight details that would go unnoticed by most fans because it haves nothing to do with The Actual Gameplay. Wasted effort, in my opinion.
While I do agree with you, you'll notice the first line in my post did state I would be listing 'atmospheric' chenges, not gameplay, which I believe has already been well and truly covered :)
Although the news that they may be using a new game engine does bring a slight glimmer of hope, as they will start about coding player movements, physics etc from scratch, rather than being able to copy code form older versions, and tweaking it badly.
freestyleh7
20-03-2009, 14:15
Exactly, the older versions were classic masterpiece's for the PS2 i thought it was a brilliant idea trying to copy them onto the next-gen console but konami failed misserably i'm afraid, so yeah it is time to start from scratch, these past two years pro evo just hasnt lived up to it's expectations as far as i'm concerned this is konami's last chance.
can PES 2010 actually give us our pro evo back ?
can PES 2010 bring our fans back from fifa ?
can PES 2010 make pro evolution soccer the best football game again ?
Only time will tell, i'll keep you posted on the news.
can PES 2010 actually give us our pro evo back ?
can PES 2010 bring our fans back from fifa ?
can PES 2010 make pro evolution soccer the best football game again ?
Only time will tell, i'll keep you posted on the news.
With the negative publicity surrounding pes and konami at the minute, there has to be a belief that konami can pull if off. We must remember that before the release of the current gen consoles i.e. Xbox 360 and PS3, Konami could not do much wrong in terms of pes 4,5,6...I could not remember a review giving them games below a 9/10. The only real success has been Pes 08 on the wii which has been attributed as innovative and a new fun way to play pes.
There has to be a level of belief that konami can make pes 2010 live up to and exceed the status given to older pes's. Think of Konami losing a 2-0 lead to fifa by becoming complacent in the last few pro evos. Fifa have two away goals so are on their course for victory. All it takes is a goal to win but evidently Konami have to dig deep after losing their lead to find this win.
Anyway with the current focus on "change" by Barack Obama lets hope pes 2010 will incur the same type of "change" in a football videogame sense to make it the best it can be.
sandaweches
23-03-2009, 00:10
Let me first start by appologizing to anyone that thrashed PES09 on the PS3 in the past. I did defend the game then cause i was enjoying BaL in the first couple of weeks, but then moved on to ML and boy was I wrong about how good the game was.
I tried to start the ML several times but with eveytime I just give up and lose interest in the game. The gameplay has changed dramatically for the worst ( i will come back to this point later ). I didn't have control over the cursors (assisted, semi-assisted crap!!) and When I was trying to control the players they were more like ice skating than moving around. Very light and very annoying!! After several days of attempts I just stopped playing PES09. ENough! no more!
Just today I pulledy my PS2 out and luckily I haven't sold it or traded it in. I started playing PES08 on PS2 and winnining eleven 8. I was almost in tears. The gameplay of PS2 is sooooo goood and I love how I have control over the players. They are sturdy and their movements are solid. and oh my god the amount of times my SB or WB were making forward runs into space. the AI was much better than the PES09 on PS3!! and When I score a goal now, it feels like football (that's the reason why I loved this series!!!!).
Since I only bought the PS3 for Pro Evo, I have just listed the PS3 along with the crappy Pes09 on Craigslist. I hope I can correct the mistake of buying it this week. Maybe I give Wii a shot, but i'm sick an d tired of wasting my money on the hope that konami can deliver on their promises. Enough is enough.
I don't think PES 2010 is going to be any different. I think it will have slight modification (the online might work sometimes) and maybe two more clubs will be liscensed and they will certainly say on the back of the game that now better and improved AI!!
10 vs 10 online is a target? Perhaps they should start smaller and work on 1 vs 1 a bit more and make it work well rather than aiming to expand to 10 vs 10.
This.
And the new engine idea seems good to most at the moment, but come November, I wouldn't be surprised if the same people were bemoaning the change.
iamcanadianeh
23-03-2009, 16:36
What do people think the extra 200 people are working on? I think it must be something that any designer can do - i.e. animations and graphics. Could this hint, however, at anything else? Perhaps lower division teams are being added, which would be great for BAL, and ML too. Reserve leagues maybe?
Just today I pulledy my PS2 out and luckily I haven't sold it or traded it in. I started playing PES08 on PS2 and winnining eleven 8. I was almost in tears. The gameplay of PS2 is sooooo goood and I love how I have control over the players. They are sturdy and their movements are solid. and oh my god the amount of times my SB or WB were making forward runs into space. the AI was much better than the PES09 on PS3!! and When I score a goal now, it feels like football (that's the reason why I loved this series!!!!).
I totally agree with you, I recently began playing pes 6 and well it just feels so good. The AI is much better, players make instinctive runs, the game flows better and it is much more difficult to take it around players.
Most importantly as you mentioned when you score a goal, it feels great. At the end of the day pes 09 lacks this. You can create a wonderful goal with passing and running movements but you still don't get that buzz that you get with pes 6.
freestyleh7
24-03-2009, 14:12
What do people think the extra 200 people are working on? I think it must be something that any designer can do - i.e. animations and graphics. Could this hint, however, at anything else? Perhaps lower division teams are being added, which would be great for BAL, and ML too. Reserve leagues maybe?
On W.E.N.B they were talking about that these 200 people are actually working the animations and graphics, but they also thought maybe these 200 extra people have other roles on the game aswell, i personally think konami should consider in getting a dedicated team of people to work on the online mode i heard EA done this for fifa, this is without a shadow of a doubt konami's last chance to make the best football game for the next-gen system's i mean it's nice to see konami impressing the nintendo wii user's with pro evo 09 but seeing fifa doing better then pro evo on the next-gen system's makes me cringe,
Just look at this
Pro Evolution Soccer 4 (9/10)
Pro Evolution Soccer 5 (9/10)
Pro Evolution Soccer 6 (9/10)
Next-Gen "new system new type of game"
Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 (7/10)
Pro Evolution Soccer 2009 (7/10),
it looks scary but i still remain a pro evo fan and i'm sure some of you guys are gonna be patient like me and wait to see if konami can knock out EA this year, the epic battle between konami & EA let's find out who can take the title in october.
iamcanadianeh
25-03-2009, 18:51
200 is a lot of extra people though, don't you think?
It must mean that Konami is making something good. Otherwise it will be unecessary thing to hire som many people.
It must mean that Konami is making something good. Otherwise it will be unecessary thing to hire som many people.
Not necessarily.
A bigger research team perhaps?
Not necessarily.
A bigger research team perhaps?
a bigger research team means more listening to our suggestions, no?
a bigger research team means more listening to our suggestions, no?
We can only hope eh?
We can only hope eh?
true, true.
freestyleh7
25-03-2009, 21:18
200 people working on the game they wont be researchers, i'm only guessing this by the way that if the 10v10 thing is happening under our nose's then that's what the extra 200 people will be used for there will loads of server's that will need maintenance plus the 1v1 & 2v2 aswell.
CDDRodrigo
25-03-2009, 21:28
We can only hope eh?
Regarding PES, hope is my surname.
freestyleh7
27-03-2009, 22:14
Right more news the new game engine for pro evo 2010 is called the euphoria engine and i must say it looks very impressive
here's a video of what the euphoria engine looks like
http://www.everyeye.tv/video/xbox360/euphoria-engine_trailer_267
what do you think ? please give us your thought's on this new engine
Credit to W.E.N.B forums.
CDDRodrigo
27-03-2009, 22:20
Glorious.
it looks great. the only thing i can do is hope for it to be true.
that looks abseloutley stunning ,its true to life movements ,if they get pes to play or to be controlled anything like that ,pes10 will be the best version ever
It looks good... is Konami considering using that??
Or was it just a suggestion by WENB?
freestyleh7
28-03-2009, 11:28
It looks good... is Konami considering using that??
Or was it just a suggestion by WENB?
Nah konami are definatly using this new engine instead of their own, which is very odd of them.
EDITED: So sorry guys this may not be 100% true this is why you shouldnt always listen to your mates rumours.
sweet :cool:
Cheers for the update :thumbsup:
i couldnt see the video where am i clicking to watch it??
Dan80, Where it says "CONTINUA LA NAVIGAZIONE PROSEGUENDO PER: EUPHORIA ENGINE - TRAILER"
You have to click on the light blue bit that says "EUPHORIA ENGINE - TRAILER"
:thumbsup:
i like to see master league will be revamped :)
Luis_Garcia
28-03-2009, 15:28
Umm, source? Have Konami officially announced they will be using the Euphoria Engine? if so, this is great news and means we will have different animations every time, just like I wanted =)
Nah konami are definatly using this new engine instead of their own, which is very odd of them.
EDITED: So sorry guys this may not be 100% true this is why you shouldnt always listen to your mates rumours.
It's cool.. it's just that I checked WENB and didn't find any rumors about Konami and the "euphoria" engine.
But I hope they use a New Engine, and a good one. They really need it, otherwise they will keep loosing customers to EA.
by using the "euphoria" engine, does it mean no more feet combining with heads and players going through the post?
A proper football simulater is what we need like the old games.If they return to this kind of gameplay they will win back the fans.And get the bloody online sorted.
Its a fucking disgrace.
This isn't a wish thread, take your bullshit to the other wish-list threads.
This is for PES 2010 news, not what you want in PES 2010.
unknown_atom
28-03-2009, 20:34
Sounds interesting.
I'm looking forward to it, previous version I wasn't because I didn't see "a great" change. Well, until I bought it my brother who wanted it badly. I'm hoping they bring in more changes personally to the master league, would be awesome to see them expand on it.
Great use of flaming too! Nice to see it.. :|
~Unknown
i couldnt see the video where am i clicking to watch it??
www.specseavers.com
by using the "euphoria" engine, does it mean no more feet combining with heads and players going through the post?
That engine was used for GTA iv. If you played it, then you would know how awesome and realistic the animations are.
CaptainCabinet
29-03-2009, 10:45
www.specseavers.com
All aboard! ¬_¬
CDDRodrigo
29-03-2009, 11:39
That engine was used for GTA iv. If you played it, then you would know how awesome and realistic the animations are.
Exactly. GTA 4 physics are the best avaliable.
www.specseavers.com
:faceplm:
All aboard! ¬_¬
:faceplm: :lol:
So is this use of Euphoria just a rumour, and nothing else?
That engine was used for GTA iv. If you played it, then you would know how awesome and realistic the animations are.thats great! does this man it would have 360 movement?
haha not funny i have found it now and i do like this movement its like if a player falls over it could be diffrent everytime
goldman132
29-03-2009, 22:10
This euphoria engine stuff isn't even a rumour at this stage. Its highly higly unlikely imo
This euphoria engine stuff isn't even a rumour at this stage. Its highly higly unlikely imo
and why do you say that?
DublinGunner
30-03-2009, 11:32
Even if it is true - its only a physics engine when you get to the nuts and bolts of it.
Their game engine will have to utilise it properly for it to make much of a difference.
TBH, I dont really care if a player falls 20 different ways is a match, if when I pass the ball it goes completely the wrong direction, or the player tips it a yard in front to the opposing striker when pass is pressed, or when you tackle a player with 'pressure', give away a fould and get sent off for no reason.
Let alone the fact that physics has nothing to do with fixing completely awful on-line play.
^That engine takes care of all animations and physics. Those are a big part in a football game.
GTA iv even had the weight thing.
Notice this on a motorcycle. Heavy passengers makes the motorcycle heavier.
These sort of details are great even in a football game. Weight/strength thing.
DublinGunner
30-03-2009, 13:40
^That engine takes care of all animations and physics. Those are a big part in a football game.
GTA iv even had the weight thing.
Notice this on a motorcycle. Heavy passengers makes the motorcycle heavier.
These sort of details are great even in a football game. Weight/strength thing.
No, the game engine itself would incorporate elements of the physics engine to make certain things look/feel better. How the ball moves, how players interact, weather maybe - yes, but not much else.
Its the underlying controls that needed to be coded individually away from the actual physics engine that will ultimately determine how well the game plays.
i.e the PhysX and Havok engines. You couldn't make a game entirely with it, but it can be used to enhance elements of the game - just like this Euphoria or whatever its called.
And even still, just because an engine is capable of doing some of these great things - it doesn't mean its implementation is going to be good. An engine can't code itself into a game.
cmccolgan27
30-03-2009, 15:20
What needs to be done is:
get the game back to a modern day "ISS" thats where 90 percent of the fan boys fell in love with the game. sure it had shit graphics back then compared to FIFA but it was the way the ball moved the way the players responded to your commands, the way a shot has a chance to go in with luck and wasnt stuck on a pre coded course. wen fast players really were fast, when big players won the headers. when strong tacklers could win tackles. if they can get back to this style of play and incorporate a decent modernized indepth master league they will be on a winner.
if fifa can sort out their version if master league / manager mode and make the controls more responsive they will eat Poor Pro Evo for breakfast. Seriously i bought a ps3 second hand that is backwards compatible just so i can play ISS again. i have an 18 yo Henry up forward and owen with a shevchenko in his prime beautiful. if they just made the graphics better on this game it would be a hit again
Even if it is true - its only a physics engine when you get to the nuts and bolts of it.
Their game engine will have to utilise it properly for it to make much of a difference.
TBH, I dont really care if a player falls 20 different ways is a match, if when I pass the ball it goes completely the wrong direction, or the player tips it a yard in front to the opposing striker when pass is pressed, or when you tackle a player with 'pressure', give away a fould and get sent off for no reason.
Let alone the fact that physics has nothing to do with fixing completely awful on-line play.
That's exactly what I'm thinking..
Konami can improve the movements, can implement new modes -but- if the Fundamentals remain unchanged, the gameplay will pretty much remain unchanged at its core.
In which case, I'm positive I will not buy a PES09 with better movements.. cause it would still have zero substance to it, the same shitty fundamentals.
There's no Art or Substance to defending, or passing, or dribbling. Which are very important aspects of Football.
When you are one-on-one against a defender, you have a ridiculous advantage over him, you have more explosiveness, and you can easily hold the R2 Close Control and then suddenly do one of those ridiculous 90ª turns.
It almost never fails, and all you have to do is the "fake-shot" which all the players seem to be good at.
When you are defending, what can you do or control exactly?? All I ever do is plain and simply -- Run, run, run, run, and when I'm very close to the target I release all the buttons.. it almost never fails, and it works with every individual, from John Terry to Roman Riquelme.
And as for the passing, it is the weakest aspect of PES09. You basically just pass the ball around until passes start going in the direction you want them to. You can barely even measure or direct the pass, and it feels like it is entirely assisted by the COM.
Better Physics will not change that on its own, more things also need to change.
Hopefully the New Engine, whatever that is, will come hand-in-hand with a host of New Stats and Controls.
No, the game engine itself would incorporate elements of the physics engine to make certain things look/feel better. How the ball moves, how players interact, weather maybe - yes, but not much else.
Its the underlying controls that needed to be coded individually away from the actual physics engine that will ultimately determine how well the game plays.
i.e the PhysX and Havok engines. You couldn't make a game entirely with it, but it can be used to enhance elements of the game - just like this Euphoria or whatever its called.
And even still, just because an engine is capable of doing some of these great things - it doesn't mean its implementation is going to be good. An engine can't code itself into a game.
I know the physics and movements and animations are not everything but at least, it'll give the game a next gen feel.
But yeah, the whole game needs a rework because next gen games can handle a lot more.
i think its time this game had proper manual passing or an option for it even a power bar becaue passes dont go where u want them to and even shooting that needs a complete new animation and acually put the ball where u want it
Freestyleh,...I hate to say I told you so haha
iamcanadianeh
31-03-2009, 18:48
Good call Dale. I couldn't agree more. I keep thinking there is new info, but every time I check this thread it's just more of the same. Wastes my time, really. We are obviously not capable of having a real news thread on this site.
There hasn't been much news lately though, to be fair. At best, all we have is rumours right now. One thing that might be considered a pseudo-rumour which hasn't been mentioned yet is the new PK system in the wii version. Haven't tried it myself yet, but apparently it is expected that it will be carried over to the next gen consoles for 2010.
Anyone tried it?
freestyleh7
31-03-2009, 18:53
Lads it's march, 2009 only just came out 5 months ago.
I don't think we should not expect much until June at least, we will probably see the 1st few screenshots then. For now there is really no point in taking these rumours seriously. Before pes 08 came out it was rumoured that pes 08 on the ps3 was "three times better than on xbox360 due to its blue ray capabilities" What a disaster it turne out to be!
freestyleh7
31-03-2009, 22:07
Sorry guys i know you keep looking at this thread expecting breaking news left right and centre but you need to remember like i said it's still only march pes 2010 is still in development these rumours are important because they could either be true or false, i will without a doubt post whatever news of PES 2010 i come across and i advise you to do the same if you know something that i dont know, but just be patient more news will be posted in time.
zizou4ever
01-04-2009, 06:20
That's exactly what I'm thinking..
Konami can improve the movements, can implement new modes -but- if the Fundamentals remain unchanged, the gameplay will pretty much remain unchanged at its core.
In which case, I'm positive I will not buy a PES09 with better movements.. cause it would still have zero substance to it, the same shitty fundamentals.
There's no Art or Substance to defending, or passing, or dribbling. Which are very important aspects of Football.
When you are one-on-one against a defender, you have a ridiculous advantage over him, you have more explosiveness, and you can easily hold the R2 Close Control and then suddenly do one of those ridiculous 90ª turns.
It almost never fails, and all you have to do is the "fake-shot" which all the players seem to be good at.
When you are defending, what can you do or control exactly?? All I ever do is plain and simply -- Run, run, run, run, and when I'm very close to the target I release all the buttons.. it almost never fails, and it works with every individual, from John Terry to Roman Riquelme.
And as for the passing, it is the weakest aspect of PES09. You basically just pass the ball around until passes start going in the direction you want them to. You can barely even measure or direct the pass, and it feels like it is entirely assisted by the COM.
Better Physics will not change that on its own, more things also need to change.
Hopefully the New Engine, whatever that is, will come hand-in-hand with a host of New Stats and Controls.
Exactly. And I go further!
In PES09, if you master the :R2: button (correct time for tapping after passing, shooting, crossing) and using it for dribbling, you basically win every single game.
Of course, when the CPU does not cheat... :realmad:
Nobody really knows yet if Konami intends to only improve the movements and physics.
But one would think that it is only logical, that with 360ª movement and passing, we will have New Animations, animations that where not possible with 8-directional movements.
And I'm thinking, if the New Engine provides 360ª movements or physics, then it is only logical to have New Stats to determine all those New Animations.
Otherwise, if Konami does uses a New Engine which can provide fluid movements and animations -- PES will be back to the "pick up and play, fluid" game that it once was.
Question is, are "pick up and play games" good enough today?? After all, this are Next Gen Consoles, and many fans expect a more serious "simulation".
So with that in mind, PES 2010 could be very similar to PES6 and PES5. In that, it could turn out to be very addictive and entertaining.. but after giving it a good run, you'll get to see all the flaws with the game, the lack of Stats and the lack of Substance.
Which is something, that to date, Konami plain out refuses to implement -- More Substance..
In fact, it could be argued that Konami has actually taken substance out of the game; the AI doesn't makes the best off-the-ball runs, the passes are ridiculous in many occasions, defending requires zero Thinking now, etc, etc..
Kevthedrummer
01-04-2009, 15:03
Otherwise, if Konami does uses a New Engine which can provide fluid movements and animations -- PES will be back to the "pick up and play, fluid" game that it once was.
I disagree. FIFA was always "pick up and play" where as PES was a lot more difficult and a more accurate simulation, which you had to work on and get used to, which eventually became very rewarding in the gameplay.
This is what has been lost from PES on the next gen.
I disagree. FIFA was always "pick up and play" where as PES was a lot more difficult and a more accurate simulation, which you had to work on and get used to, which eventually became very rewarding in the gameplay.
This is what has been lost from PES on the next gen.
Fair point, maybe you're right. But after so many years of playing them I just think they are closer to "pick up and play games" as opposed to a "serious simulation".
I mean, back in the PS2 PES was definitely Not a "pick up and play game". But I have grown past that, it's 4 or 5 years later, and Today I think that it is a "pick up and play game".
And FIFA was a complete disgrace, it wasn't Football, and as such shouldn't even be considered.
jon_blade
03-04-2009, 14:30
Interesting reading all the posts, I've been a PES player since ISS days and next-gen is abysmal.
There are lots of theories and suggestions but the most important recommendation to Seabass and Co. is this - chuck the next gen code in the nearest fucking bin and start over! I mean everything, from giraffe players animations, breakdancing goalkeepers, crap edit functions, pathetic online, useless camera angles, man the list could go on......
I hold out no hope at the moment and in my opinion, FIFA is only slightly better at present.
If another developer had the balls to create a new football game, then we may see others getting the kick up the arse they deserve......
they need to just take the risk for a new engine i mean it surley cant be worse than the last 2 next gen games
sandaweches
03-04-2009, 15:01
Interesting reading all the posts, I've been a PES player since ISS days and next-gen is abysmal.
There are lots of theories and suggestions but the most important recommendation to Seabass and Co. is this - chuck the next gen code in the nearest fucking bin and start over! I mean everything, from giraffe players animations, breakdancing goalkeepers, crap edit functions, pathetic online, useless camera angles, man the list could go on......
I hold out no hope at the moment and in my opinion, FIFA is only slightly better at present.
If another developer had the balls to create a new football game, then we may see others getting the kick up the arse they deserve......
Very nicely said mate. Totally agree. I really liked "giraffe players animations, breakdancing goalkeepers" :))
that's soo true. and you forgot the AI too.
There is nothing about the next-gen version that is worth anything. and I agree that FIFA is better but still has its own crappy problems.
I think this whole thing about 200 extra workers and re-haul of the engine is just bogus. Since Seabass and the programmers at Konami don't see a problem with PES2009 because they actually released the damn thing, then that's where the problem lies.
and this whole crap going on in different forums about revolution vs evolution, what a load of garbage. The only revolution we'll see is that people for the first time will treat PES like how FIFA used to be treated before next-gen. sad really. Perhaps someone should tell Konami that people used to buy their games because of its gameplay and not because of the multi-million dollar advertisement campaigns with Messi and all over European stadiums!!!
HEY someone please send Gordan Ramsy to Konami and fix this mess!! please!!!!!!!! or as he would say "we're gonna make this a success, YES!"
The only Football Sims worth playing IMO are PES6 or PES5.
FIFA09 and PES09 are both out of date.
If it wasn't for the "Blu-ray" thing, I would've sold my PS3 months ago. It really sucks.
But at least, Konami suffered their 1st significant drop in sales.. I hope that keeps increasing if Konami keeps producing the same garbage.
freestyleh7
03-04-2009, 18:29
Here's the thing i brought a next-gen (xbox360) console expecting better pro evolution soccer games but now i feel ripped off as i'm now playing pro evolution soccer 6 on the PC more then PES 2009 on the xbox 360.
CryingGallas
04-04-2009, 21:02
10 vs 10 online is a target? Perhaps they should start smaller and work on 1 vs 1 a bit more and make it work well rather than aiming to expand to 10 vs 10.
Exactly, if they can't sort 1 V 1 then why try 10 v 10!! And also for there to be a new engine, is not quite reassuring for me!! They said that 2009 would have a new engine and better AI, but the AI are some of the worst I've seen. Defenders just stand there when they should get straight ni there!!
freestyleh7
04-04-2009, 21:50
NEWS UPDATE !
PSM3 To Annouce PES 2010 News Within Weeks,
W.E.N.B are the only guys i can find posting new information about pes 2010 at the moment
"W.E.N.B"
Good old PSM3. Known friends/supporters of Konami, they support the series more than most these days. In the latest issue they not only have a fantastic feature on PES 2009, there’s also a hint at news coming regarding PES 2010. But we have to ask, who’s linking who?
Released Thursday April 9th, the May issue of PSM3 certainly covers PES a great deal. Towards the rear of the magazine you can find an interesting and well delivered mini-feature on certain aspects of PES 2009. Primarily titled ‘The Best 25 Signings In Master League’, it also covers other aspects - like tips on how to score 1-on-1’s, to over/underrated stars in the game.
But its the news in the front of the magazine that certainly will grab most readers attention. In the ‘Insider’ section it details the very same rumours that were launched by this site, without giving specific sources. The full paragraphs reads:
Expect first details on Pro Evo 2010 within weeks - net rumours suggest a much-needed master league revamp, returning licenses (like La Liga) and an official UEFA Cup mode. We’re saying nothing, but brace for official confirmation soon.
Reading that you can see why we’re asking who’s linking who, but the snippet of news certainly gets us excited. Knowing how the media world works, it obvious they know something about the upcoming PES 2010. Not being able to divulge the news officially, they’ve attached themselves to rumours just to have an excuse to report on it - and then add their own input. Because of this, the first and last sentences hold a lot of weight.
Due to the huge excitement about the game from Konami UK, news within weeks is certainly believable.
More news as we have it.
Abit early yes but i just saw some interesting information regarding pro evo 2010 on W.E.N.B
# PES 2010 team will have 200 extra people working on the game
# New graphics and animation engine
# The Spanish La Liga license is back, amongst other lost licenses in the past
# The community mode is in
# Master League revamp
# The UEFA Europa License is a target
# 10 vs 10 online is a target
your thoughts, and if you have any other pro evo 2010 information post it up in here saves making another thread.
Oh wow I'm super late I just posted this on the frontpage!
Vitumbiko
06-04-2009, 16:26
Oh wow I'm super late I just posted this on the frontpage!
You're not the only one ;)
Vitumbiko
06-04-2009, 16:54
Imo all this pes 2010 news is bullshit, they said the same thing about the past 2 pes games and they were shit, I would like to see these changes in pes 2010...
Motion Capturing - Pes need to have realistic player movements, some of the moves in the current Pes and Pes 2008 are computer made and unrealistic.
Bundesliga Back - I don't care if it is not licensed but I want it back, at least player faces and names should be licensed.
More Boots - They did better this year but I would like it to be like Pes 6.
International Challenge Back - I enjoyed it from Pes 6.
Get Rid of the Generic Music - The music is horrible period.
Master League Improved - It should be like Manager mode in Fifa, real money, transfers should be fun (in Pes they are realistic but boring imo), clubs should have different balances (so teams like Fulham don't sign players like Ibrahimovic).
Get rid of the fast paced gameplay - Pes is too Arcade-y now.
New Leagues - Championship would be great but also some of the lower leagues, as well as Argentine League which Pes and Fifa don't have licensed.
Can't wait to see psm3!
Whats PSM3?
I believe it is a magazine.
freestyleh7
06-04-2009, 17:58
Playstation Magazine 3 you can buy it from the local newsagent's.
iamcanadianeh
06-04-2009, 18:54
I kinda doubdt we'll see anything in PSM3 beyond what has already been leaked... But hopefully some pics. Official confirmation of rumours woudl be nice too, hopefully including 360 degree movements, which was hinted at by Caniggia on WENB.
freestyleh7
06-04-2009, 19:31
Oh wow I'm super late I just posted this on the frontpage!
LOL Krishna where have you been son.
LOL Krishna where have you been son.
Got a course I have to deal with so that is my first priority lol
I've signed into here a couple of times but in the next 2 weeks I should be here more often and posting more news.
As for you keep the news coming if you can! :happy:
more lower league english teams or maybe an option to download extra leagues,teams etc
Makavelian
07-04-2009, 15:07
playstation for life:
^^^console whipped^^^^^^:D
^^^console whipped^^^^^^:D
lool I love it! :happy:
KCZombie
08-04-2009, 08:07
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/970/970869p1.html
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/970/970869p1.html
Thanks for the post, wondering has anybody seen the preview in psm3 yet?
I hope they will make better animations for the goal-keeper, and they will make a gameplay like in PES 6, which is the best PES in my opinion.
The first picture with the game
http://www.gamikaze.pl/Resources/Images/GameGalleries/Galerie_Pro_Evolution_Soccer_2 010_Galeria_1_17215_1009_08042 009.jpg
P.S. Is here a Konami programmator to see our suggestions ? :)
CryingGallas
08-04-2009, 19:56
You could add to that the hint that it will have 360 degree movement. It wasn't an "official" rumour, but something hinted at by a guy with good connections (Caniggia). Since everything is just rumours, and all rumours are pretty much equal, I'd put that one on the list.
BTW - I like the idea of posting latest news on PES 2010, from whatever site it comes from, in here. Even if the news is from elsewhere, it's good for us on PESGAMING to be able to discuss all the speculation freely. This should be sticky IMO so that we can keep it up to date, and reduce the amount of related posts into one main one.
360 degree movement would be unbelievable, that would never happen though, Konami are too stupid!! But then again, I think it would be extremely difficult to be able to control the player movement, but it be super-sick!! If they did implement it then it would make the game look so much more realistic!!
I really do hope that the AI is improved, they said that they'll improve it for Pro 2009, but the AI was one of the worst I've seen!
I think I'll wait for at least 1-2 months after release and see the reviews especially on this site and then go out and decide whether to buy it or Fifa!!
iamcanadianeh
08-04-2009, 21:54
Caniggia's an insider, so I would have to put some stake in the rumour. However, 360 degree movement has been a blaring omission from this press release...
Maybe they are saving that bit of news for later???
abdul_cr7
10-04-2009, 01:30
please improve the bugs in online
make it bug-free like fifa
Caniggia's an insider, so I would have to put some stake in the rumour. However, 360 degree movement has been a blaring omission from this press release...
Maybe they are saving that bit of news for later???
It's a double edged tactic..
If they keep avoiding confirmation of using an all-new engine for PES 2010 or implementing 360ª movement into PES 2010.. If they keep avoiding confirmation, people will get increasingly skeptical with the game.
But it could work, if they keep it to themselves and then all of a sudden say that:
"animations now dovetail into each other seamlessly, we have successfully implemented 360ª movement into PES 2010 by the use of an all-new engine"
This confirmation would get everyone excited about the game, which is why one has to wonder WHY they didn't said anything amongst those lines in their 1st press release.
Maybe they are saving it for later.. but one thing is certain, many fans of the series have taken notice of that -and- Konami must also know by now. It will be a huge letdown if the animations remain 8-directional.
ehsancgfx
10-04-2009, 05:53
Most probably 360 movements are not a viale option it then becomes too much a complex thing to handle. fifa09 ps3 version also dont have 360' movemennts cause football game is much more complex than basketball games... so im sure 360' movement is not an option for PES2010
Most probably 360 movements are not a viale option it then becomes too much a complex thing to handle. fifa09 ps3 version also dont have 360' movemennts cause football game is much more complex than basketball games... so im sure 360' movement is not an option for PES2010
To be honest, it's not a big deal for me.. I mean, PES6 haves 8-directional movement and still manages to play fluidly.
I can get used to a fluid 10-directional movement.. but I think PASSING should be as close as possible to 360ª.
I can't stand the rigid 8-directional Passing in PES09, it completely kills the game for me.
To be honest, it's not a big deal for me.. I mean, PES6 haves 8-directional movement and still manages to play fluidly.
I can get used to a fluid 10-directional movement.. but I think PASSING should be as close as possible to 360ª.
I can't stand the rigid 8-directional Passing in PES09, it completely kills the game for me.
I am sceptical as to whether 360 movement would work in a pes engine, but you are right, given the poor animations in pes 09 the game looks poor with the 8 directional passing....
Makavelian
11-04-2009, 13:41
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/970/970869p1.html
[Producer for PES Productions at Konami Digital Entertainment Japan. "We aim to make PES 2010 a more user-friendly, immediate experience that places the emphasis on getting straight into the gameplay
this worrys me statements like that ......Translation, Were dumbing it down
Sorry guys, this will be my first complete year on a next-gen console. Can anyone tell me around when the demo will be released? Obviously not expecting it for a while, but an estimated release date based on previous years would be very helpful :thumbsup:
hmmm.... september or early october
Can the OP update this so we don't have browse through all the pages?
It's 3 weeks before the real game or sooner.
MysteryMan
13-04-2009, 00:19
Im fairly sure it will be released in September , it says it will be released Q3 not Q4 so that means July-August-September
September then, they release them, as Alolo91 said, about 3 weeks before the full game will come out. I hope it improves big time
StringerBell
13-04-2009, 00:50
All I know is this time around I'm buying the Euro version
MysteryMan
13-04-2009, 14:07
Im very impatient thanks to Konami making a sham out of PES09 , if they made a good game id be still playing PES now I don't have soccer to play cuz im bored with Pes... at least summer is around the corner so I can go out play some real soccer.. I wish they would give us few SS soon because im really wondering how players look ever since I saw messi pic.
iamcanadianeh
14-04-2009, 21:20
this worrys me statements like that ......Translation, Were dumbing it down
I read that as meaning that the menus will be easier to navigate for newbies. I know some friends of mine who don't play the series regularly always complain about it being inaccessible due to the menus. I personally don't see it, but I found with the new version on the wii that they weren't very user friendly.
Me and my firends were a bit drunk, of course, but we found ourselves screaming at the screen:
"WE JUST WANT TO PLAY THE F*%@ING GAME!!!!"
Makavelian
15-04-2009, 17:21
:huh:I read that as meaning that the menus will be easier to navigate for newbies. I know some friends of mine who don't play the series regularly always complain about it being inaccessible due to the menus. I personally don't see it, but I found with the new version on the wii that they weren't very user friendly.
Me and my firends were a bit drunk, of course, but we found ourselves screaming at the screen:
"WE JUST WANT TO PLAY THE F*%@ING GAME!!!!"
im not sure how they can make the main menu simpler,but the online
menus needs a improvement.
but if the online lag problems stays the same it'll be useless improving
them
freestyleh7
20-04-2009, 22:34
More news !
W.E.N.B
Posted on the Double Fusion website, it states that they have managed to sign an agreement with Konami for advertising their clients products in PES 2010. Click here for the official press release.
Double Fusion is a games advertising company that works with a large portfolio of well known brands , with an aim to promote those clients in relevant products. It seems that have secured a major coup by grabbing the license for PES 2010, which no doubt will grab a lot of interest from would-be advertisers. What makes it exciting for us fans is the fact that not only will Konami receive a large lump sum for this partnership, but it also means that in-game advertising in the latest PES will be relevant and stay fresh throughout it’s lifespan.
The tools used by Double Fusion are industry leading, and allow advertisers to update the adverts (ad-boards etc) seamlessly and without having to change the code through updates.
So far no official confirmation from Konami has been received, although I’m sure we’ll hear some news on this from their side very soon.
PES 2010 & Double Fusion Deal
http://www.doublefusion.com/press/html/Konami_PES_20_04_09.html
So we get extra adverts.
I'm actually failing to see the benefits of this.
iamcanadianeh
21-04-2009, 19:11
:huh:
im not sure how they can make the main menu simpler,but the online
menus needs a improvement.
but if the online lag problems stays the same it'll be useless improving
them
Agreed. Yeah, I don't see the problem personally, but like I said, some buddies of mine who don't play the game often think the menus are too difficult to use...????
Maybe that's not what they're talking about there in the press release though. Also, I agree that dumbing the game down in any way is usually a very bad decision. That's one of the big mistakes with PES 09 IMO.
they need to have an online beta version so they dont fuck it up again, bet they dont tho as we will all know before release if its another pile of shit.
iamcanadianeh
23-04-2009, 19:18
they need to have an online beta version so they dont fuck it up again, bet they dont tho as we will all know before release if its another pile of shit.
I think that's one of the best ideas I've ever heard. However, some people have different opinions than others... Konami would have to be careful about who was selected (large enough group of people to weed out all the weirdos with strange opinions about things the rest of us might like or not care about).
Have other companies done this for sports games in the past?
DublinGunner
24-04-2009, 15:46
I think that's one of the best ideas I've ever heard. However, some people have different opinions than others... Konami would have to be careful about who was selected (large enough group of people to weed out all the weirdos with strange opinions about things the rest of us might like or not care about).
Have other companies done this for sports games in the past?
Yeah, 'cause an online beta will help fix all the problems...:rolleyes:
BF2142 anyone?
Hey, I'm new here. One benefit to the Natural Motion engine that I'm surprised nobody has mentioned is the self preservation they talked about in the video. They said players would try to balance and prevent themselves from falling down as humanly possible. This would be so huge considering how we all hate the fact our player takes ages to get up from a slide tackle. In general, a player being more aware of where the ball is good as well. If anything, I hope they implement this natural motion animation technology above all else.
Yeah, 'cause an online beta will help fix all the problems...:rolleyes:
It would help, how else can they test it?
Hey, I'm new here. One benefit to the Natural Motion engine that I'm surprised nobody has mentioned is the self preservation they talked about in the video. They said players would try to balance and prevent themselves from falling down as humanly possible. This would be so huge considering how we all hate the fact our player takes ages to get up from a slide tackle. In general, a player being more aware of where the ball is good as well. If anything, I hope they implement this natural motion animation technology above all else.
Yeah it all comes down to animation. I agree with you about hating how long the players take to get up from a slide tackle, it really does take the piss sometimes.
Oh yeah, welcome to the site.
Yeah it's all about the Animations.
Stats and Special Abilities are very important, Player Likenesses are very important... but The Top Priority is The Animations. Without animations you have nothing.
You can clearly see that; when you play PES09 and then play PES5... or when you play PES09 and then play PES6... or when you play PES09 and then play FIFA09.
In my opinion the PES09-Animations are not even good enough for a PS2 Console. It's incredibly bad, it's probably one of the worst engines I've seen... I cannot believe that Konami had the balls to call this pile of shite "next gen".
It feels older than the PS2 versions. I can honestly say that PES5 feels "fresher".
Yeah it all comes down to animation. I agree with you about hating how long the players take to get up from a slide tackle, it really does take the piss sometimes.
Oh yeah, welcome to the site.
Thanks.
With this Euphoria thing implemented, it would be awesome to see a player stumble but try his best to retain his feet and stick with the ball. That enough would get me to purchase it.
I like pes 09, but yeah, the animations are bad.
I cannot get past the Fact that both PES5 and PES6 feel "fresher" than PES09.
Pro Evo 2009 is bad, there's nothing else I can say about it. It feels like an arcade-game with all the edgy/twitchy movements. It really feels very out of date.
I still do not know How Konami ended up with PES08 and PES09... I really don't get it. After PES5 and PES6 they come up with this pile of shite?? And they expect people to be happy about it?
They have a really high mountain to climb, and The Top Priority should be releasing a Video Clip that shows us -and- guarantees us that Pro Evo 2010 will have a New Engine with New Movements and Animations.
I cannot see Konami using the same out of date engine... the current engine simply doesn't feels right. And I don't know about most fans, but I for one will not be buying PES 2010 if it still haves the same type of movements and animations.
I cannot get past the Fact that both PES5 and PES6 feel "fresher" than PES09.
Pro Evo 2009 is bad, there's nothing else I can say about it. It feels like an arcade-game with all the edgy/twitchy movements. It really feels very out of date.
I still do not know How Konami ended up with PES08 and PES09... I really don't get it. After PES5 and PES6 they come up with this pile of shite?? And they expect people to be happy about it?
They have a really high mountain to climb, and The Top Priority should be releasing a Video Clip that shows us -and- guarantees us that Pro Evo 2010 will have a New Engine with New Movements and Animations.
I cannot see Konami using the same out of date engine... the current engine simply doesn't feels right. And I don't know about most fans, but I for one will not be buying PES 2010 if it still haves the same type of movements and animations.
I for one will wait a few weeks after until i decide, if any
i m sure there will be quite a lot of improvements, but just think we should not get too optimistic about them
FIORE_FAN
28-04-2009, 08:07
Don't know if these news have been brought up before - but here goes anyway:
http://www.game.co.uk/News/?lid=11159&ad=09_04_2009
FIORE_FAN
28-04-2009, 08:13
Two articles in a row now that states, that Konami are aming for a return to a more simulation kind of game this year!!! That's what we like to hear!!!
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6207579.html
Again - if this article has been posted earlier, then I'm sorry. Haven't had time to read the entire thread…
freestyleh7
28-04-2009, 14:18
Brilliant finds fiore_fan keep them coming and don't worry about news that's already been posted remember any bit of news helps weither it's old or new.
Great. Looking good so far.
freestyleh7
29-04-2009, 11:57
NEWS UPDATE
New pro evolution soccer 2010 blog by konami opened today
http://uk.games.konami-europe.com/blog.do#blog-entry-103
www.konami.co.uk
We've just finished the first PES2010 announcement, which I'm really pleased with, especially being able to mention so much so early. Plenty to talk about and plenty more to come!
Before I get going with my first blog entry, just a brief intro. I've been at Konami for over 10 years. Life-long PES fan and for the past couple of years I've been PES Team Leader for Europe.
Our focus from now on is to put the fans at the heart of everything. The process started before PES2009 even launched and I've been collecting feedback since from some really valuable sources. Huge thanks to the fan sites and journalists who've been providing excellent feedback. Understandably some of the comments I've
fed back to WEP have been negative and many users have questioned Konami's listening skills. My job this year and looking further into the future will be make sure the voices of our fans heard and push for their feedback to really impact on development.
It won't happen over night, but I have to say that honestly I've been impressed with the way the team are listening.
posted by Jon Murphy
Tut, could've mentioned PESgaming!
Dunno1982
29-04-2009, 13:18
I wonder if any of the Bloggers from here have considered getting in touch with this Jon Murphy chap from Konami to see about getting further information or to find out if they are definately listening to feedback from PESgaming.com site.
To be honest, I couldn't care. I mean, absolutely everything we've ever been told by Konami since it reached next-gen has been unfounded and often ridiculously exaggerated.
YES!!! TOTALLY!!! they said last year that for pes09 they would take away button memory (when your chasing the ball and press the button before you reach it so as to kick it first time) but thats bollox. its only on legends online that it happens. still happens in all other modes. terrible!!!
pes2010 needs proper transfer wheelings and dealings, slack off all this points cr@p... whoever heard of a world record transfer points fee? wake up and smell the football konami coz we wont hang about for ever. and why is there a man stroking a dog on the main menu when your playing master league? i've been going to football for years and never seen anyone turn up with a fuckin scottish terrier!!! especially not in cagliari!!!
CryingGallas
30-04-2009, 00:33
I really don't care about transfer dealings man, seriously I don't, I think they just need to clock the gameplay!! If you are runnnig with the ball and the opposition player nicks it off you! Why does your player keep on running for about 2 seconds before stopping for 2 seconds and then coming back into plaY? They need to sort thwese things out! Plus you should be able to change the level from beginner to top level online!
Dundon's
30-04-2009, 15:11
I haven't the strength to go into what PES needs to do to make this title credible again. I was a massive fan of this game like the most of you but it's like taking back a girlfriend who keeps cheating on you.
The 1st time you might say ok, you did wrong, we can work on it and make things right, maybe you were just expecting too much. The 2nd time you'd be well pissed, outraged and might even throw some digs out before eventually forgiving her, but that 3rd time.... by Jesus God help her.
It's just amazing they used the term Evolution in the last 3 releases, that's all.
PESFan92
02-05-2009, 14:59
I haven't the strength to go into what PES needs to do to make this title credible again. I was a massive fan of this game like the most of you but it's like taking back a girlfriend who keeps cheating on you.
The 1st time you might say ok, you did wrong, we can work on it and make things right, maybe you were just expecting too much. The 2nd time you'd be well pissed, outraged and might even throw some digs out before eventually forgiving her, but that 3rd time.... by Jesus God help her.
It's just amazing they used the term Evolution in the last 3 releases, that's all.
I take you was good at metaphores in school ;)
is there any news in this thread apart from the 1st post? if there is will the thread starter edit the post to save trawling through all this bollox please
luxo.saty
04-05-2009, 01:17
Abit early yes but i just saw some interesting information regarding pro evo 2010 on W.E.N.B
# PES 2010 team will have 200 extra people working on the game
# New graphics and animation engine
# The Spanish La Liga license is back, amongst other lost licenses in the past
# The community mode is in
# Master League revamp
# The UEFA Europa License is a target
# 10 vs 10 online is a target
your thoughts, and if you have any other pro evo 2010 information post it up in here saves making another thread.
*i think that they need to make a game-play a bit more realistic by slowing it down a bit and make ball bounce a bit more just as in real life.
*than make masterleague more realistic (e.g. fifa manager mode)
*la liga licence, german league licence + many more world wide leagues
*more stadiums, more boots and more footballs
*more tricks and turns (e.g. bit of a freestyle in some players who express themselves while they play such as robinho, ronaldinho, c, ronaldo etc.)
*more free kick types, more penalty kick types
*better music in the menu
*challenge mode in training
*and lots lots more but these are the main ones that i always have on my mind...so I hope i will see improvements in PES10 !!!
freestyleh7
04-05-2009, 01:26
News Update !
PesFan.com
Download The Pro Evolution Soccer 2010 Widget
W.E.N.B
"there’s Also A Nice Champions League News Feed, That Keeps All Footy Fans Updated With What’s Going On In Europe’s Premier Football Competition. Finally, There’s A Direct Link To All The Screens Posted By Konami For Pes 2010. Right Now The Solitary Messi Pic Is The Only Screen As Yet, Fingers Crossed More Are Added Soon. The Widget On A Whole Is Fantastic Idea, And Another Nice Surprise For The Fan Base. Together With A Ball You Can Play Around With, And Menu Sounds Straight From The Game, It’s A Must For All Pes Fans"
Download It From W.E.N.B Now !
http://winningelevenblog.com/blog/get-the-pes-2010-widget/
W.E.N.B
Opm France Confirms Cl Integration
In The Most Recent Official Playstation Magazine (opm) France, They Confirmed A Number Of Details That Will Be Included In Pes 2010. Some Of Them Were Mentioned Teasingly In The Press Release Last Month. The Main Information That We Can Take From The Short Article Is That The Champions League Will Be Integrated Into The Master League. Secondly, There’s Also Details On The Ability To Maneuver Your Players In Every Set Piece Play.
luxo.saty
04-05-2009, 01:54
Abit early yes but i just saw some interesting information regarding pro evo 2010 on W.E.N.B
# PES 2010 team will have 200 extra people working on the game
# New graphics and animation engine
# The Spanish La Liga license is back, amongst other lost licenses in the past
# The community mode is in
# Master League revamp
# The UEFA Europa License is a target
# 10 vs 10 online is a target
your thoughts, and if you have any other pro evo 2010 information post it up in here saves making another thread.
10v10 online a target??? excuse me? perhaps they might need to work on 1v1 online first :)
make gameplay more realistic, slowing it down and make ball bounce off the players as in real life and add some more licenced leagues
shankly is god
04-05-2009, 01:56
sounds cool
Mullet Taylor
04-05-2009, 02:05
wonder if the pc version will be same as ps3/xbox. if pes are making a totally new game then surely they will go away from the pc as fifa did
shankly is god
04-05-2009, 02:07
could do mate but EA have always been lazy shits
Mullet Taylor
04-05-2009, 02:11
im praying they do. otherwise ill need to buy myself a ps3
shankly is god
04-05-2009, 02:13
yer i would buy a ps3 mate pes just feels better on the station....easier to edit etc..just dont feel natural on pc or xbox
Mullet Taylor
04-05-2009, 02:22
nah pc is where its at for me. SO easy to put a new option file on. i got a thing from ebay that allows me to plug in my playstation joypads, so happy days :D
nah pc is where its at for me. SO easy to put a new option file on. i got a thing from ebay that allows me to plug in my playstation joypads, so happy days :D
Does it lag on the PC?
shankly is god
04-05-2009, 02:25
yer i got me xbox pad working on my pc but im not a pc gaming person i just play the consoles occasionally with mates at weekend etc for me its alot more social and over cool feeling....each to their own i guess
but yer its alot more editable on pc some of the stuff ive seen makes me jealous
Mullet Taylor
04-05-2009, 02:27
Does it lag on the PC?
not for me man, ive a hd 19inch flatscreen and a decent pc
Some French Playstation Magazine has confirmed that the Champions League will be integrated to the ML... good news, but nothing unexpected as Konami pretty much gave it away with their press release.
3. De la gestion en solo
"La fameuse Master League comprendra désormais un aspect management plus poussé, et l'on pourra gérer son équipe sur du long terme. La Champion's League sera intégrée et on aura droit à une approche beaucoup plus personnalisée au niveau des stratégies d'équipe ainsi que des possibilités individuelles des joueurs."
Translation: Management in solo.
The famous Master League mode now boasts of advanced managerial aspects and you can build up your team in a long-run. The Champions League mode is now integrated into the ML mode, while strategies are more customizable for the team as a whole or for individual players.
Here's an interesting one...
4.Back to simulation roots.
New dribbles, feints, ways of shooting at goal,fluidity in off-the-ball movement and stringing of passes, as well as the keeper have been reworked. The success of passing , crossing, shooting and pulling off tricks with the ball will depend fully on its speed, angle, placement and TIMING.
Does this means that you will not be able to: Run, run, run, run, run -the- entire Length of the pitch??
Will it be about SKILL now?? Will there be a difference between "Dribbling with the Ball" and "Running with the Ball"??
FIORE_FAN
04-05-2009, 07:36
Translation: Management in solo.
The famous Master League mode now boasts of advanced managerial aspects and you can build up your team in a long-run. The Champions League mode is now integrated into the ML mode, while strategies are more customizable for the team as a whole or for individual players.
Here's an interesting one...
4.Back to simulation roots.
New dribbles, feints, ways of shooting at goal,fluidity in off-the-ball movement and stringing of passes, as well as the keeper have been reworked. The success of passing , crossing, shooting and pulling off tricks with the ball will depend fully on its speed, angle, placement and TIMING.
Ooohhh… yes! That sounds awsome!! The rumors still sound to be true, about the game returning to it's simulation roots. Well… maybe this year, we'll be thanking EA for putting such a good game on the market, that gave Konami a run for it's money - so they got paced to make a better game!!!
Here's for hoping!!
:loopy:
Awesome news especially the back to simulation part.
I hope it'll truly be based on skill like in pes5.
Awesome news especially the back to simulation part.
I hope it'll truly be based on skill like in pes5.
PES5 is one of my favorites, but (alike PES6) some things about the game feel like a "yes" or "no" routine.
I didn't feel like I had to use enough skill: it also felt like the COM allowed me to get through, allowing me a couple of opportunities on Goal. There was some Skill to it, but not enough in my opinion.
For one thing, it is impossible to tackle someone without giving away a Free-Kick, This is indication that the PES5 lacks something on the Defensive end.
But regardless, I still love how in PES5 we have a more defined Difference between "Running with the ball" and "Dribbling with the ball". The game kinda forces you into Slowing Down a bit before Dribbling with the ball.
You could RUN and knock the ball forwards into Open Space -but- the game forced you into DRIBBLING whenever the space was too tight.
On the other hand...
With PES09 that Fundamental Difference between RUNNING and DRIBBLING is non-existent... there's just no difference between "Sprinting with the ball" and "Dribbling with the ball". You never actually feel like you're Dribbling with the ball... it feels more like plain out running and running and running.
The disproportions in Space and Time only make matters worst, you also have all the Time/Space in the world to think about whatever you're going to do next.
Anyways...
One of the things that I really want to see massively improved are the Corner Kicks and everything that involves Heading the ball into the net.
We need more control over it; both Defensively and Offensively. PES5 and PES6 both have the same Cheap Corner-Kick Goals... PES09 also haves them -- It would be a huge improvement if Konami finally fixes this annoyance.
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2.Set pieces.
The penalty system has been re-vamped to ensure that shots can be controlled with great precision. All new is the possibility to trigger player runs/ movement during set pieces.( Free kicks, Corner kicks, throw-ins, spot-kick)
4.Back to simulation roots.
New dribbles, feints, ways of shooting at goal,fluidity in off-the-ball movement and stringing of passes, as well as the keeper have been reworked. The success of passing , crossing, shooting and pulling off tricks with the ball will depend fully on its speed, angle, placement and TIMING.
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Hopefully the "movement during set pieces" will finally fix the Random Corner Kick Goals. Perhaps scoring Goals from Corner Kicks will actually require some Level of Skill from now on.
I also like the fact that they mentioned "Placement and Timing" which is one of those Key factors that have gone missing since going Next Gen... Sounds like massive improvements, but talk is cheap.
freestyleh7
04-05-2009, 13:04
News Update !
Guess you guys aint been looking at my news updates.
;)
shankly is god
04-05-2009, 16:57
ive always said pes5 was the best one ever!!! if they can get the feeling back like pes5 with the graphics etc of this current gen consoles that would be awesome....i think i would give op on my social life if it was the case lol
Dundon's
04-05-2009, 17:35
ive always said pes5 was the best one ever!!! if they can get the feeling back like pes5 with the graphics etc of this current gen consoles that would be awesome....i think i would give op on my social life if it was the case lol
100% agree with that mate, it'd be something else, god knows how badly the game needs it right now though.
Guess you guys aint been looking at my news updates.
;)
What updates? can you put all updates in to the original post please? maybe giving credit to who ever posts it up in here. thanks :D
What updates? can you put all updates in to the original post please? maybe giving credit to who ever posts it up in here. thanks :D
There are more news guys.
For one thing, it is impossible to tackle someone without giving away a Free-Kick, This is indication that the PES5 lacks something on the Defensive end.
No, that was an indication of the shite refereeing.
No, that was an indication of the shite refereeing.
It was shite Defending -and- Refereeing...
It was the same one-dimensional defending as always: Run, run, run, run, do not even THINK about anything, and just keep holding the Tackling button until eventually you win the ball back.
You cannot control off-the-ball Defensive runs... you can only "manually" control a defender.
There's so much more to Defending, you need to decide How and Where to Tackle; which is one of those things that we never do in Pro Evo.
Oh, and the fact that Diego Maradona made the perfect Defensive Midfielder... this is also indication that PES5 lacks something on the Defensive End.
Perhaps Konami should think about maybe adding New STATS for "Marking" and "Tackling". I feel that it is a bit out of hand when my Defensive Midfielders are Leo Messi and Sergio Aguero.
Further indication that To This Day; Konami have not bothered fixing this flaw, it's like they don't even bother with the Defensive Aspect of Football... even though Defending is 50% of Football.
shankly is god
06-05-2009, 18:19
I dont kno if it was because i was younger but pes 5 i did get very excited about like every time i made a gerrard/lampard style pass i felt proud of my self like i boasted to my mates who came around and had mini tournaments...scoring goals made me feel proud also like a sense you were good and overall badass at the game....pes5 had such an awesome feeling around it its very sad that modern pes's arnt like that very sad indeed...
i reckon if pes 5 had the edit mode/fan chants/BAL/champions league mode of pes2009then that game would be godly and the best footie game around
^Agreed, although for the power of ps3/360, it's still not enough.
shankly is god
06-05-2009, 19:04
we probably wont see the true power of the ps3/360 untill its about to die and a new console is up for release it always happens....
^In football games maybe yes. But for example Midnight club los angeles, call of duty, GTA IV... They all use most of the console's power.
shankly is god
06-05-2009, 19:10
dont kno about that mate when the ps3/360 is ready for the boot the technology to bring out pure graphics and shades could be immense like the new generation of TV's commin out soon will blow our little socks off!
I dont kno if it was because i was younger but pes 5 i did get very excited about like every time i made a gerrard/lampard style pass i felt proud of my self like i boasted to my mates who came around and had mini tournaments...scoring goals made me feel proud also like a sense you were good and overall badass at the game....pes5 had such an awesome feeling around it its very sad that modern pes's arnt like that very sad indeed...
i reckon if pes 5 had the edit mode/fan chants/BAL/champions league mode of pes2009then that game would be godly and the best footie game around
Spot on. That was what first drew me to PES1; even in a single player game, you felt good when scoring a goal. And lets face it, its even better when you can be cocky to your mate about it. But we haven't really had that since PES6, and even though I like FIFA better than PES this year, that's something that it lacks, and its something that makes a football game for me.
SammyGunner11
09-05-2009, 18:41
I dont kno if it was because i was younger but pes 5 i did get very excited about like every time i made a gerrard/lampard style pass i felt proud of my self like i boasted to my mates who came around and had mini tournaments...scoring goals made me feel proud also like a sense you were good and overall badass at the game....pes5 had such an awesome feeling around it its very sad that modern pes's arnt like that very sad indeed...
i reckon if pes 5 had the edit mode/fan chants/BAL/champions league mode of pes2009then that game would be godly and the best footie game around
I completely agree. Even though the graphics are not up to par with current generation video games, I always felt a sense of enjoyment playing the old winning eleven games.
^Why? The graphics were great for a ps2. I always said this. Pes was always on of the top series because it had graphics and gameplay.
SammyGunner11
12-05-2009, 00:56
Now that I look back at it, I guess you're right. There really isn't that much of a difference in graphics between ps3 and ps2.
I'm sure there's a PS2 vs PS3 graphics comparison out there. Link anybody?
I have both ps2 and ps3 versions.
If you first play the ps2 and then play the ps3 version, you'll say, OK, it's sharper and the colours are better. But then if you go to play the ps2 version, you dont want to see it again because you realize how much the player faces on the ps3 are great.
Now by this I mean that the ps2 versions were great even in graphics but only for a ps2. While the ps3 version has solid graphics.
But still I expected a bit more because a ps3 is so powerful.
I mean look at the first screen on pes 2010. That's the real ps3 power.
FIORE_FAN
03-06-2009, 11:55
Just found this link:
http://e3.gamespot.com/story/6211115/pro-evolution-soccer-2010-trailer-impressions
Just thought it would be easier to keep all the different news in one thread instead of spead all over the place in different places... ;o)
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