View Full Version : Become a legend/ what konami could fix/improve/add?
zanteive
03-07-2009, 15:16
The sure is that many many many people play become a legend... so... konami should fix/improve/add "things" to BAL.
I know if gameplay changes Bal will change too but... i think the details will make it better...
What Lad
04-07-2009, 14:50
the manual pass doesn't count as an assist. meaning when you cut a team open with your own vision and flair, you won't get the stat bonus for doing so.
just play rigidly and on rails.
also the AI controlled players never make risky passes ever. you can run into great positions but they'll turn around and square it back to someone every time.
zanteive
14-07-2009, 08:03
konami should fix the edit mode cause all players without real faces are the same. 80% of them are like brothers and cousins, so if its dificult to have for each player his real face give us more options to edit mode to make them urselves...
StaVriS92
14-07-2009, 09:46
^ personally i don't have problem editing players faces by myself and i can make them look very real! edit mode is something i like most on PES! and i never played BAL, it really needs a lot of improvement!
zanteive
14-07-2009, 11:02
^ personally i don't have problem editing players faces by myself and i can make them look very real! edit mode is something i like most on PES! and i never played BAL, it really needs a lot of improvement!
file stavri you should try bal i think it is the best part of pro.i'm already big fan of editing players and my opinion is that edit mode needs a lot of work...
For me the thing they MUST make better is the general rating system after the game. I mean for goodness sake, it's only really possible to get an 8/7.5 etc if you score goals or assist. That makes it useless to select DMF or CMF positions. When someone doesn't score or assist goals it doesn't mean they had a shit game. I played be a pro for like 5 matches, and it just pissed me off making no errors, passing at 100% completed to see my match rating being 6 or 6.5!
FIX IT KONAMI!
Also make the money you earn worth something, make it possible to buy training so that you can improve your stats. I do hope they make a LOT of additions and improvements.
StaVriS92
14-07-2009, 20:54
i really agree with the second point of R9NALD9! they should really make the money on BAL to worth something! this is the only thing getting me away form BAL!
Yes fix the ratings, defensively they suck but the also suck offensively. And of course you should be able to play defensive positions, even as a goalkeeper!
I'd like to feel more like part of a team, however every time I go from a crap to a better team, it's always the same story of me having to carry the whole team in my shoulders. Going back to defend properly then rushing toward goal to score. You need to be able to depend on your team members, this will also improve the feeling that you've moved to a better team.
Also, if you call a pass, why does your teammate always has to send a low straight-line pass? Even when two defenders are in your way and you are clear up front, instead of a high through ball, a straight low pass to the defenders feet... Even if said player is world class he'll do this stupid crap time and time again.
Your awards and records should attract better offers.
deadfrog
14-07-2009, 23:44
I always play as DMF, then basically play in a free role between midfield and attack. By being DMF, the position you're put in for set plays is much better, you're more part of the game. I do believe I get rating points for tackles (see my previous post about wanting to play BAL as defender) and crosses though, so it seems there is more than shooting at stake....I might be wrong.
Mixedpapi
14-07-2009, 23:54
i just started yesterday........ i dont like the camera angles so far.
PesMaster1
15-07-2009, 00:38
the option to get interviewed after all the important games ,
as in , how well did you think you done to help your team win the cup ?
and you get options to choose
i just started yesterday........ i dont like the camera angles so far.
YES! Very true, the camera is awful, this is a must fix for 2010! It shouldn't rotate. When it rotates all the controller axis change and you end up running all over the park, it's specially annoying when running down the pitch on the flanks and you end up runnin gout of bounds on your own.... Also when the camera turns 180º when you cross midfield is f*ucking nauseating.
Konami, just copy FIFA's Be a Pro camera, that one really works well, and it zooms in when in the area, it's awesome.
BAL is like 100000000 times better than BaP, but the camera it's a whole different story.
For me the thing they MUST make better is the general rating system after the game. I mean for goodness sake, it's only really possible to get an 8/7.5 etc if you score goals or assist. That makes it useless to select DMF or CMF positions. When someone doesn't score or assist goals it doesn't mean they had a shit game. I played be a pro for like 5 matches, and it just pissed me off making no errors, passing at 100% completed to see my match rating being 6 or 6.5!
FIX IT KONAMI!
Also make the money you earn worth something, make it possible to buy training so that you can improve your stats. I do hope they make a LOT of additions and improvements.
I dunno about that mate. I just had a stonker of a season playing in CMF. Goals, assists, averaging 7's/7.5's. Amount of interceptions you make in those positions makes a difference too.
Your awards and records should attract better offers.
Definitely agree with that. I've just come off a great season, one of the top players in the league, got us into Europe and lower league teams from France, Holland, England etc are the only ones making offers. I'm not sure if selecting 3 positions to play in at the start decreases your ability stats, cos mine have been going up so slowly even though I'm half the time man of the match.
zanteive
16-07-2009, 08:02
i was checking last night the market value for all players... i 'm first with 5000 (year 2021-2) and second is KAISER with 2250 , ronaldo and bla bla bla... i'm taking almost 10 years 5000.. so if they cant put real money at least they can fix how ur player takes the points.. i mean KAISER is 95+ player and i am 90+ and i take double points...
i was checking last night the market value for all players... i 'm first with 5000 (year 2021-2) and second is KAISER with 2250 , ronaldo and bla bla bla... i'm taking almost 10 years 5000.. so if they cant put real money at least they can fix how ur player takes the points.. i mean KAISER is 95+ player and i am 90+ and i take double points...
But Player Value is much more about performance. I got a save where I got transfered to Barcelona for 1800pts, but I was around 75+. Players with this value goes around 700, 800pts...
zanteive
17-07-2009, 07:15
But Player Value is much more about performance. I got a save where I got transfered to Barcelona for 1800pts, but I was around 75+. Players with this value goes around 700, 800pts...
Yes i agree but thats the wrong.. if you took 1800 with 75+, ronaldo and messi should take 4000-5000 points. i mean if u r 23-4 years old and you take already 5000 how many points you should take when u r 30years old and 90+ ??
I got ur point, Zanteive. But I still think Konami almost did it right. Player needs to be paid based more in his performance. But the point system in game is crap imo. 5000 pts to balance the value of players is too little. In example: Ronaldinho transfer to Milan last season. If he has got to Milan 2, 3 years ago, Barcelona would problably get much more money from Milan, because he was on his top performance that time. But he was transfered in a low performance situation, so Milan paid much less. So did Chelsea with Deco. And if you take a look at Master League, you will see that you will get your players with more or less points basing on their performances, and you will get transfer requests on your players based on this points. So it is on BAL.
Another thing is that you took age in the point. The game got a good relation on player hability over age. But that is not enough. Physical stats should act more on players, I think. The way you start a BAL sucks. How a boy with 17 years old, training, get's physical stats that low? I know he is just starting, but if you see any under 20 team base, the guys will have good fitness, great acceleration and speed, but will be on evolution on strenght and tecnique. I think they should take a look at this aspects, and should be good to have some "points to spend" in the creation of player, based on his height and weight. Like a new Huntelaar, ie. Tall, strong, striker. So he should be good on heading, low speed, good body balance... something like this.
Well, enough of typing :D
Sorry for my poor english... is a bit hard to write correctly being Brazilian. cya
zanteive
20-07-2009, 10:05
I got ur point, Zanteive. But I still think Konami almost did it right. Player needs to be paid based more in his performance. But the point system in game is crap imo. 5000 pts to balance the value of players is too little. In example: Ronaldinho transfer to Milan last season. If he has got to Milan 2, 3 years ago, Barcelona would problably get much more money from Milan, because he was on his top performance that time. But he was transfered in a low performance situation, so Milan paid much less. So did Chelsea with Deco. And if you take a look at Master League, you will see that you will get your players with more or less points basing on their performances, and you will get transfer requests on your players based on this points. So it is on BAL.
Another thing is that you took age in the point. The game got a good relation on player hability over age. But that is not enough. Physical stats should act more on players, I think. The way you start a BAL sucks. How a boy with 17 years old, training, get's physical stats that low? I know he is just starting, but if you see any under 20 team base, the guys will have good fitness, great acceleration and speed, but will be on evolution on strenght and tecnique. I think they should take a look at this aspects, and should be good to have some "points to spend" in the creation of player, based on his height and weight. Like a new Huntelaar, ie. Tall, strong, striker. So he should be good on heading, low speed, good body balance... something like this.
Well, enough of typing :D
Sorry for my poor english... is a bit hard to write correctly being Brazilian. cya
actually your english are better than mine. the sure is that if konami puts real money in the table BAL will be better..
zanteive
29-07-2009, 11:42
something else that konami should fix in the negotiation period is that if you have for exmple 4 offers, to let you negotiate (or how we call this) with the teams and let u choose the best offer at the end, i mean that if you dont answer to a team in the first 2 days they will take back the offer , so if you can negotiate with all of them and keep the attention to you,at the end of the period you can choose the best offer and give you the ability to accept one from the early offers.
The possibility to be sponsored too should be good. But a sponsor by itself would be useless... it should make some difference. Or the money you earn from clubs and sponsor should be used in something that could make difference to the player.
scholsey
29-07-2009, 15:09
^ personally i don't have problem editing players faces by myself and i can make them look very real! edit mode is something i like most on PES! and i never played BAL, it really needs a lot of improvement!
well look at it this way: it was the first time BAL was introduced in PES09, so it was always going to be impossible for it to be perfect, so please don't go on about how you think BAL was poor and post possible ideas that can be used for BAL.
godzilliac
29-07-2009, 18:48
Yes fix the ratings, defensively they suck but the also suck offensively. And of course you should be able to play defensive positions, even as a goalkeeper!
I'd like to feel more like part of a team, however every time I go from a crap to a better team, it's always the same story of me having to carry the whole team in my shoulders. Going back to defend properly then rushing toward goal to score. You need to be able to depend on your team members, this will also improve the feeling that you've moved to a better team.
Also, if you call a pass, why does your teammate always has to send a low straight-line pass? Even when two defenders are in your way and you are clear up front, instead of a high through ball, a straight low pass to the defenders feet... Even if said player is world class he'll do this stupid crap time and time again.
Your awards and records should attract better offers.
I agree 100%. If you make no initiatives your team simply lacks any creativity at all. Oddly enough... if you do nothing at all sometimes they manage a goal by themselves. It's my experience that you usually receive a pass at the wrong time. I often found myself in a position that I had an open scoring opportunity but a dumbass team mate prefers to pass backward. When I do receive a pass it´s when I´m surrounded by players of the opposite side.
One way or the other. Either the AI of your team mates has to improve or else we should get more "tools" to control the rest of the team.
i really agree with the second point of R9NALD9! they should really make the money on BAL to worth something! this is the only thing getting me away form BAL!
The only thing your salary can do is hire other players to play with you when you take your legend online.
Here are my suggestions:
1-Being able to fast forward the game while not playing at a much higher speed, even if it means I cannot watch it, I really do not mind. It is painful just waiting to be subbed in.
2-When playing online, you are rewarded points based on succesful team work, and you are shown how they are calculated. It would be useful if we are shown exactly how our rating is calculated in a similar way when playing BAL alone. It would be encouraging and also educating to know exactly how much a failed pass or succesful shot will affect your rating.
3-Simply show my rating as soon as the final whistle is blown!
chewynotcrunchy
31-07-2009, 12:33
I'd start out like Fifa BAP. Having the ability to reallocate your points as you see fit out of a finite amount of say 10000.
Really frustrating creating a 5,9 winger with a speed of 73, acceleration of 70 when I could forego things like shooting accuracy to make him a bit quicker.
You should also be able to adjust your agility rating and weak foot accuracy.
1-Being able to fast forward the game while not playing at a much higher speed, even if it means I cannot watch it, I really do not mind. It is painful just waiting to be subbed in.
3-Simply show my rating as soon as the final whistle is blown!
I completely agree with this, I always go to check my ratings, I'm sure most people do, so why not show them right away.
Die Hard Pes Fan
04-08-2009, 18:57
the option to get interviewed after all the important games ,
as in , how well did you think you done to help your team win the cup ?
and you get options to choose
I sent a email to Konami to ask them to improve or input many things into the game, one of them was to be able to control cut scenes where after games you can select diffrent statements after a match, like the old wwe games.
Let me know what you think of the idea
akhardadat
04-08-2009, 22:01
Note that this is about top player mode, nothing else. Haven't tried anything lower.
AI has to be fixed first. That's the main issue with BaL in my opinion... Teammates are made to be way too stupid. I don't mind them being toned down in terms of speed/power/etc. as increasing difficulty usually does, but making them stupid and unintelligent is not the way to go in my opinion. I suppose this is a problem with the game in general, but AI leaves the wings far too exposed and after certain situations such as throw-ins, the last defender (the fullback) leaves all the space behind him for the AI to expose. There needs to be more organization there.
Also, the computer ALWAYS reduces every situation to a 1v1. That system needs to be changed for the game to become more challenging and for BaL defenders to not look so stupid and concede silly goals. If someone is chasing an opponent, if another defender can help and cut in (diagonally or vertically), it rarely happens. This would be the equivalent of switching players or pressing the help defense button in a normal game - the computer rarely does this.
Attacking options are limited, as the computer rarely picks out decent passes and VERY often runs into the opposition player while dribbling. This happens far too often in your own half, leading to bad situations defensively and not leading to anything on the offensive end. Strikers do this as well, and wingers are probably the most guilty of doing this.
On the same note, wingers do not produce anywhere near enough. In order to actually get them to do something, you have to offer them a short pass route; otherwise, their crosses are often too short or they get tackled off the ball/run into the fullback. Wingers ruin the play far too often.
zanteive
07-08-2009, 10:56
AI is for sure i think, players need DNA like nba 2k9 or nba live 2009, BAL has to do with this , all players need to be deferent
Itsfootballstupid
22-08-2009, 05:03
It looks like Seabass didn't pay much attention to BAL In his interview with the French gaming site gamekult he said that he mostly focus on ML and barely look at BAL I wonder how much of a look the BAL mode got, That's my favorite mode in the game he better not screw it up.
Note that this is about top player mode, nothing else. Haven't tried anything lower.
AI has to be fixed first. That's the main issue with BaL in my opinion... Teammates are made to be way too stupid. I don't mind them being toned down in terms of speed/power/etc. as increasing difficulty usually does, but making them stupid and unintelligent is not the way to go in my opinion. I suppose this is a problem with the game in general, but AI leaves the wings far too exposed and after certain situations such as throw-ins, the last defender (the fullback) leaves all the space behind him for the AI to expose. There needs to be more organization there.
Also, the computer ALWAYS reduces every situation to a 1v1. That system needs to be changed for the game to become more challenging and for BaL defenders to not look so stupid and concede silly goals. If someone is chasing an opponent, if another defender can help and cut in (diagonally or vertically), it rarely happens. This would be the equivalent of switching players or pressing the help defense button in a normal game - the computer rarely does this.
Attacking options are limited, as the computer rarely picks out decent passes and VERY often runs into the opposition player while dribbling. This happens far too often in your own half, leading to bad situations defensively and not leading to anything on the offensive end. Strikers do this as well, and wingers are probably the most guilty of doing this.
On the same note, wingers do not produce anywhere near enough. In order to actually get them to do something, you have to offer them a short pass route; otherwise, their crosses are often too short or they get tackled off the ball/run into the fullback. Wingers ruin the play far too often.
Great post, man. Everything is spot on. 100% agree. This is real stuff, concerning gameplay, from a devoted player!
I hear you, Itsfootballstupid! Come on, Konami! Don't let us down! Show BAL some love, it's a really good gamemode, groundbreaking stuff right here. It just needs a few more tweaks and twists to be excellent.
Make player development easier. If you score seven goals against Barcelona, your sub attribute points aren't going to go up by five are they? It's bullshit how me and my cousin played around twenty five games and in total we got around 4 full points up. May I also add we scored around two or three goals every match.
zanteive
05-09-2009, 07:27
i choose wich parts of bal must change:
if gameplay, graphics , edit mode and bla bla change bal will change too so bal needs to change points to real money, to let us use the real leages not ligue 1,2 ,d1 and the others, uefa champions leage/europa leage not european championship and cup and something very importand to me to let us edit the curent team roster from bal mode.
Make player development easier. If you score seven goals against Barcelona, your sub attribute points aren't going to go up by five are they? It's bullshit how me and my cousin played around twenty five games and in total we got around 4 full points up. May I also add we scored around two or three goals every match.
Definitely spot on! Its frustrating to see your own player level up so slowly.
davor-henry
08-09-2009, 14:38
i see many things that could be improved there.....
1) Most important is the AI, the players controled by computer are very stupid and predictable...if that improves I believe beeing a part of the team in BAL would be very enjoyable
2) Training should definetly be much more then just playing games....i think we would enjoy some sprint chalenges or have some passing games (like those challenges in training mode from main menu), freekick challenge.....and using those we could improve our stats, not waiting for a match to get a freekick so you could improve in that, if you want to practise that you will get a chance
3) to play as a defender, r/l back, goalkeeper.....and be properly awarded for tackles, interceptions, clean sheet....not only goals and assists
4) many additions not related to match playing.....like spending money you earn, they could add animations of cars,houses...which comes with money and fame ;)
or singning a sponsorship contract that tells you which boots you should wear....
5) adding some more animations instead of just showing pictures, like presentations when you sign for a new club, give interviews, sign autographs...not just the animations when you retire or get the ballon d'or
i know i'm asking allot i would be happy if only one of those things end up in the game, but i hope you agree with me
zanteive
09-09-2009, 14:55
i see many things that could be improved there.....
1) Most important is the AI, the players controled by computer are very stupid and predictable...if that improves I believe beeing a part of the team in BAL would be very enjoyable
2) Training should definetly be much more then just playing games....i think we would enjoy some sprint chalenges or have some passing games (like those challenges in training mode from main menu), freekick challenge.....and using those we could improve our stats, not waiting for a match to get a freekick so you could improve in that, if you want to practise that you will get a chance
3) to play as a defender, r/l back, goalkeeper.....and be properly awarded for tackles, interceptions, clean sheet....not only goals and assists
4) many additions not related to match playing.....like spending money you earn, they could add animations of cars,houses...which comes with money and fame ;)
or singning a sponsorship contract that tells you which boots you should wear....
5) adding some more animations instead of just showing pictures, like presentations when you sign for a new club, give interviews, sign autographs...not just the animations when you retire or get the ballon d'or
i know i'm asking allot i would be happy if only one of those things end up in the game, but i hope you agree with me
why you need to spent the money you earn to houses and cars?? it's a football game not gta. but i agree with all the other u said.
davor-henry
09-09-2009, 16:32
its an idea from Fifa manager, wouldnt be nothing vital to the game, just a little award like the better player you are the better car you drive that's all....but thats just my opinion
zanteive
11-09-2009, 12:22
its an idea from Fifa manager, wouldnt be nothing vital to the game, just a little award like the better player you are the better car you drive that's all....but thats just my opinion
i think a football magazine with your player in the first page and the option to save it could be nice.. you know what i mean.. every month that magazine to make a cover with the best player!!!!!!!:D
davor-henry
14-09-2009, 16:15
i think a football magazine with your player in the first page and the option to save it could be nice.. you know what i mean.. every month that magazine to make a cover with the best player!!!!!!!:D
i dont think anyone would complaine.....its the little things that make a big difference ;)
zanteive
22-09-2009, 08:11
i think konami should tell us something about BAL. last night i checked pes2010.com and i didn't saw anything about.. they should let us know if there going to do something on bal.. you ll tell me that if they change gameplay, ai, and bla bla ,BAL will change too , but i think bal fans wants to know more... :rolleyes:
joeythomas7
03-10-2009, 13:17
Been playing all the PES games for many years. Usually love ML but last year played BAL. Even tried FIFA 09 BP mode.
These are the changes I would most like to see in BAL. They are based around the premise of when i start a BAL season I have an image of the player I would like to become. This is often spoilt by the below limitations and results in the longevity of the game. Importance rated on a 'MUST SHOULD COULD' scale
MUST -Match rating - more than just scoring/assists. Often feel like I have had a solid game but will get 6 or less.
SHOULD -Stats - being able to compare your performance stats to all other players. What's your pass completion compared to Xavi? etc. Ala champ man - not to that scale but closer would be good.
MUST - Player development - more control over how your player's ability improves. This is fundamental to meeting the 'vision' of the player you want to create. Why can't my player improve balance without improving defence? etc.
MUST -Player influence - As your reputation increases with your club you should be able to specify preferred playing position. Fed up with signing for a team as a promised AMF and then being played DMF.
COULD - BAL training - training sessions for your player to take part in eg dribbling, finishing, speed, agility etc. This would directly affect your player abilities, however it would have to be possible to chose an area and then simulate. The training chosen could also be limited/enforced by manager based on performance or team needs. Eg team needs a freekick taker, your passing was bad in a match etc.
All in all a succesful outing in PES 09 but would prefer less focus on developing cosmetics and more focus on content and depth.
A new camera angle. The ability to develop weak foot and free kick skills. And a bit more negotiation details. "Communication" between player and manager. For instance if you get number 25 in the first season then you play a good season - then they should offer you a "better" number..
And now it's to easy getting to play other positions than your first prefered.
When i've played 2 games at an other position i can suddenly play it when i check my stats..
zanteive
13-10-2009, 12:58
A new camera angle. The ability to develop weak foot and free kick skills. And a bit more negotiation details. "Communication" between player and manager. For instance if you get number 25 in the first season then you play a good season - then they should offer you a "better" number..
And now it's to easy getting to play other positions than your first prefered.
When i've played 2 games at an other position i can suddenly play it when i check my stats..
they should add players cemistry too. if some players dont like each other we must see this in the cort
Yeah true, mate. I have to say that i disagree with the ones saying that player abilities raise to slowly. I think it's realistic. If it went like a rocket just because you scored against barce, i think you would find it too boring and easy..
Mr. Mark
02-11-2009, 21:47
Here are two things that I think are rather simple and important.
1. Actual contract for a set amount of years. With that being the case you have the ability to put in a transfer request or the team can sell you out, but at that point you will be given the choice, but you will be forced to choose. Or if you are on a lower team and you don't put in a trasnfer request the manager will show you what teams are trying to pry you away. The big thing I want this for is so that when I sign for a team, I can't be dropped after a year like what occasionally happens in 2009.
2. Currency has a role besides online play. I think currency should help you in some way. The big thing I'm thinking is you can improve your player. You can either request extra practice time if you don't have much of a salary yet, but when you get big time you can get a personal trainer. With the personal trainer you would be able to do those training exercises that we use to be able to do. Extra practice would just be a in team scrimmage that would generate stats for everything where the personal trainer would be specific skills.
Training Drills! - Little exercises each week that will help you player develop
Ratings. - A running Joke compared with how the fifa pro analyses a match and a players input.
Personality/media profile. - Maybe have off the field scenarios, press conferences with questions to answer, Options of what you do in spare time charity events or Night clubs, after all personality is a trait managers look for in a player.
Something i would like to see is player stats improveing while playing online in legends, its frustrating that if you play more online legends than offline your players stats do not improve during these games.
Also i just finished a season as top scorer in the champions league and premiership and was offered transfer to athletico madrid but then had to spend weeks in training to make the team not very realistic.
stottmeister
09-12-2009, 14:17
am i missing something at the end of the season, in ML you can train players in various fields when there are no matches sceduled but in BAL i cant find this option.
surely this must be in the game.
I'd like to see NORMAL gameplay, not just a bunch of retarded zombies running around, twisting, bending, kicking ball far away from you e.x CB is trying to dribble past whole pitch, when that doesn't work he's kicking the ball to the other end of the pitch. AI is shit!!! Oh, I forgot about this one... you are makin' final pass (triangle PS3), there's nothing but your teammate and GK, and 90% of time he'll make a fu***ng SLIDE to kick the ball!!! OMG, it's second year with the same crappy shots!
Didn't read the entire thread so it may have been mentioned.
Let us play for ANY team we want. In 2009 we had the option to make our own mixed league therefore inputting our favourite team so we can eventually play for them down the road.
This feature is missing in 2010 and I ask myself why? Stupid thing to omit in my opinion. Makes BAL less attractive now. FIX IT!
The form arrows. This is just dumb in BAL because you have no control over it, once I didn't play for 5 games straight because I had blue or purple arrows. They are fine in master league but how dumb it is to make me watch 5 games in a row? JUst make it green all the time.
Speaking of watching, you should be able to skip the matches or the part that you aren't playing.
There needs to be instant feedback on how well you are performing, like FIFA, and also you shouldn't need to wait for the end of the match to check your stats.
AFAIK the game doesn't care if you made a great pass but your teammate miss the shot, this needs to be fixed.
When I changed team even though I was one of the highest rated players I had to go into the reserves?! This is lame and needs to be addressed.
For some reason I gained the DM position now every team wants me to play that, you should have some control over where you play.
Give us the option to play as the goalkeeper, with fully manual control of diving to parry, catch or punch. also allow us to use trigger buttons to crouch the goalkeeper or make him stand up and reduce the angle for the attacking player to score
I cba to read most of these but im addicted to BAL despite it being an absolute crock of shite.
when the AI get into a crossing position, they never do. they just lose it. unrealistic.
corners ALWAYS GO TO THE FRONT POST. EVERY SINGLE TIME. WTF
has anyone else noticed that regardless of how fast your player is, when bearing down on the last defender 99% of the time, when you knock it past him he all of a sudden becomes Usain Bolt and casually walks away with the ball....?????
i have been fouled in the box more times than there are blades of grass on the pitch and, as yet, no pens given. how is this possible??? the only penalty my team have had on BAL was because a player was sliding outside the box and there was a mix up and some poor sod who wasnt even trying to be tackled went over.
BUT in your own box, when tackling, penalties are far too easy to give away. the other day this happened:
i did a slide tackle to try and block a shot (no one around) then when i was getting up, a player walked into me and the whistle went. straight red card as well. just for standing up. good god that was stupid.
AI need to make better decisions. my teamates always lose it when they go to dribble because they dont pass.
OMG THE CHIP THROUGH BALLS!!! so very awful they are. 1/50 actually gets to the player aiming for. otherwise it goes to the keeper, is offside, or goes out of play.
For some reason the computer decides it wants to interfere with my run. il be sprinting forward or back then all of a sudden my player stops. then starts going again. winds me right up that does.
Headers are stupid.
Formation changes. they dont happen. if a team hasnt won a game in 10 then why dont they change the formation like they would in real life??
weak foot acc/frequency. surely that is all to do with when the person playing decides when to shoot and what sort of position to shoot from so reflect that in the stats.
Response stat. wtf. response should not exist because that is about how quickly the human playing can react.
scoring from crosses. It seems that on the rare occassion that a cross is coming for me, even tho im madly tapping square, my player insists on taking a huge wobbly touch - and then losing the ball. what the hell.
scoring at all. to me, it seems that the computer decides if it wants the ball to go in or not, and not that much to do with the player's shot acc. i scored loads more long rangers when i had an 80 shot than i do now with a 90 shot. sometimes real pea rollers go in cos the keeper just lets it in. not realistic. (or maybe that is konami's way of simulating mistakes - if so its just crap)
the lack of power of free kicks taken in own box. you put full power on and it doesnt even reach half way. i know this is stupid because i can kick it further than that and im no professional.
captains being subbed off..... not likely unless injured.
similar to players all of a sudden becoming really fast, they sometimes become really strong. absolutely mad.
right rant over for now. i adore this mode but there are some HUGE issues.
The Eristic
16-01-2010, 10:23
The form arrows. This is just dumb in BAL because you have no control over it, once I didn't play for 5 games straight because I had blue or purple arrows. They are fine in master league but how dumb it is to make me watch 5 games in a row? JUst make it green all the time.
Why not make them based on how well you play? That's pretty much what form actually is. Get an 8.0 with a goal and an assist against Real Madrid in CL, MOM, all with a purple arrow, and next matchday, the arrow is still purple, but plus a little fatigue, which means you're benched, and you know what happens if you were to, god forbid, choose to rest a game... Hope you weren't going for that undefeated trophy.
lampard kw
16-01-2010, 10:50
Why the not add the D2 for the game !?!?!?1
Why not make them based on how well you play? That's pretty much what form actually is. Get an 8.0 with a goal and an assist against Real Madrid in CL, MOM, all with a purple arrow, and next matchday, the arrow is still purple, but plus a little fatigue, which means you're benched, and you know what happens if you were to, god forbid, choose to rest a game... Hope you weren't going for that undefeated trophy.
That would be the ideal solution, except for the fact the ratings are so out of whack and I doubt it will be fixed any time soon.
lampard kw
05-02-2010, 15:27
add CB, SB , and GK
CallzMcfc22
13-02-2010, 21:36
It would be very realistic if you got signed by one of the top clubs and then loaned out to a smaller club
I have been playing PES since the first one. I am a big fan. It has been always better than FIFA. After I purchased PES 2010, started to play become a legend. It is not as good as the game. Excuse me but there are a lot of things to fix. You must really work on these. So let's start:
1- Salary must be based on the real money rates like US dollar etc.
2- Contracts should be 1,2,3 years. The club that you play can loan you to another club. I am 24 and almost I played for every team in Premier Division. This is nonsense.
3-Transfers of some players must be restricted. For example Gerrard got transferred to Man U. This is impossible in real life.
4- ***** This is a really interesting issue. The club you play, can not play as good as it used to play. Your wingers can not cross any balls. Each game you concede 2 maybe 3 goals.I got transferred to Liverpool. They were first on the table. After a season we could make 8th on the ranking table. Without you, processor is simulating the matches so different.
5- **** This is pretty important, too. My player has 92 acceleration and 94 pace. Still I am not faster than Paul Scholes. He is a slow motion player:))) So this is ridiculous.
6- The loosing team's players are passing each other on their half and not sending the ball to other side when only minutes left for the end of the game. AI must be smarter that that. Also when a AI playes loses the ball, he just freezes and does not try to get the ball back.
Especially 4,5,6 are important bugs for the game. Please fix these soon. Thank you.
byrnie05
08-03-2010, 20:18
It would be very realistic if you got signed by one of the top clubs and then loaned out to a smaller club
Yep. And on that basis, I posted on here the last time I visited that I've joined Genoa as my first team and my 17-year-old striker is keeping Hernan Crespo out of the side and when I first started coming on as his sub, I'm wearing the captain's armband. Completely kills the realism and the annoying thing is, with some care and effort, it need never happen.
Please Konami, show you care or drop the franchise, because we're not getting the innovative, well made games we did in the last generation.
shetland scot
30-03-2010, 14:17
Why the not add the D2 for the game !?!?!?1
great idea, if you play for a team that cant win the league or get into europe then you have nothing to fight for, no relegation battle. this is the best suggestion so far.
also scrap the stats improving system, they go up way to slow and dont allow you to strengthen how you want. why not make it that u earn points and use them to build up your stats how you want similar to the fifa be a pro. use your yearly points value to but special abilities and train your self up? that way if you are a striker but you can build up shot acuracy first so even if you are slow and weak you would be able to finish the chance you get.
Some dudes saying that the salary we earn should be allowed to buy some training program to improve our stats. Good point. But i m thinking that why dun Konami allow us to use salary to buy some stat-improving boots which is basically almost the concept of training program. Imagine that u can only wear the best boot only when you earn the highest salary in the game? sense of achievement man
I got ur point, Zanteive. But I still think Konami almost did it right. Player needs to be paid based more in his performance. But the point system in game is crap imo. 5000 pts to balance the value of players is too little. In example: Ronaldinho transfer to Milan last season. If he has got to Milan 2, 3 years ago, Barcelona would problably get much more money from Milan, because he was on his top performance that time. But he was transfered in a low performance situation, so Milan paid much less. So did Chelsea with Deco. And if you take a look at Master League, you will see that you will get your players with more or less points basing on their performances, and you will get transfer requests on your players based on this points. So it is on BAL.
Another thing is that you took age in the point. The game got a good relation on player hability over age. But that is not enough. Physical stats should act more on players, I think. The way you start a BAL sucks. How a boy with 17 years old, training, get's physical stats that low? I know he is just starting, but if you see any under 20 team base, the guys will have good fitness, great acceleration and speed, but will be on evolution on strenght and tecnique. I think they should take a look at this aspects, and should be good to have some "points to spend" in the creation of player, based on his height and weight. Like a new Huntelaar, ie. Tall, strong, striker. So he should be good on heading, low speed, good body balance... something like this.
Well, enough of typing :D
Sorry for my poor english... is a bit hard to write correctly being Brazilian. cya
I like your idea about the physical fitness about the player. I think if they want to be more realistic, the weight/height ratio should be a consideration to decide the physical fitness of a particular player. You expect Berbatov is as fast as Walcott? Konami should start thinking that there is limited room for development in certain attributes of player. If not, most people will aim at speed demon type of players, with extremely great strength and all as skillful as Messi and C.Ronaldo. Sometimes limitation in players' ability can create uniqueness and adds challenges to us when making a new player.
It has probably been said before, but PLEASE, let me choose ANY CLUB I want in Become a legend. Do not force me to pick from a pre-determined list. This was a BIG reason why I sold PES2010 shortly after buying it.
Please, and Thank you Seabass and associates
I think there needs to be some sort of player/manager interaction. For example I just started my first BAL, creating a left sided WF. Signed for villa where I'm now a first team regular but I'm constantly being played as either a FW or a RMF. There should be an option to approach the manager voicing your concern (the same way players are unhappy in ML) and demand that you are played in your preferred position and if your demands aren't recieved ou should be able to hand in a transfer request.
Transfers are unrealistic too, tottenham hotspur signed Rooney on mine and barca sign marlin harewood :S
I love the mode but I'm concerned about my players improvement because at the end of my first season my overall rating is still on 62 so I'm not too sure whether that's normal or whether my player is crap and going wrong somewhere so it would be nice for there to be some kind of info on how you should be progressing other than the learning curve which seems innacurate to me.
(sorry for any spelling errors I'm on my iPhone and I'm awful at typing on it :D )
For me the thing they MUST make better is the general rating system after the game. I mean for goodness sake, it's only really possible to get an 8/7.5 etc if you score goals or assist. That makes it useless to select DMF or CMF positions. When someone doesn't score or assist goals it doesn't mean they had a shit game. I played be a pro for like 5 matches, and it just pissed me off making no errors, passing at 100% completed to see my match rating being 6 or 6.5!
FIX IT KONAMI!
Also make the money you earn worth something, make it possible to buy training so that you can improve your stats. I do hope they make a LOT of additions and improvements.
You got it all wrong. ur rating gets higher if ur team WINS the match, not when u score a goal or give an assist. I play DMF, and once i scored 3 goals and the opposing team equalised!! i was given a rating of 6.5 . Another time, i gave passes 100% completed and a lot of intercepts, i did not score a goal but my team won the game. I was given a rating of 7.5
so i think ure wrong.
Two things that are absolute musts- Teammates AI (Man U amazing as opposition but when you join they lose all their talent) and training. I also think there should be alot more variety and opportunity to mould your player how you want as after a few BALs it all got a bit samey. I think the training drills should be like challenge training in older PES' eg. free kick training with the targets; also, it needs to be possible to earn all types of player cards. I'm sure there's lots more that i can't think of right now.
PES needs to improve every aspect of the game, its fucking dreadful and is in dire need of an update to fix all of the problems, big fan of previous versions, but this one they certainly did a half arsed job
subotai33
19-10-2011, 03:38
What i hate about the BAL mode is that i do not have 100% control over my player.Why MUST he perform automated runs ?? At corners of opponent e.g. i want him outside of the box,but when i want to run there the player moves into the box.Same with own attacks.
Or sometimes when a teammate is attacking an opponent i want to leave some space between him and my player so that i am a possible pass receiver,but automatically my player turns into the tackling as well.
That's a thing which almost ruined a controller with last year's title already.
Why isn't it possible to give the player 100% control??
I don't want 80% or 95%,i want 100.
It's so disturbing...Passing advice can be turned off,so why can't you do the same with automated running?
Another point is the evaluation after the match.Often i have best mark of my team,get positive feedback from trainer but my reputation is decreasing?? I don't think that's sensible...
Though i must say you guys improved BAL a lot compared to last year.AI is way better,offense and defense.But some small improvements should be made,at least for next year's title.I don't know how much can be changed through patches.
jesmith29
23-10-2011, 08:29
I totally agree with the 100% controll. It's so frustrating when your play takes off on his own.
I've only been playing BAL so far and the one issue that is driving me nuts is this.
I've played 17 games out of 27. In 10 of the games played, half of them, the FF option doesn't even show up and twice I've all of a sudden taken total control of my teammates. This has happened either starting on the bench or being subbed off.
Has anyone else run into this issue?
I play on the PS3 US version and I did the update to ver 1.01.
Whenever the FF option does not work, you also do not get the after match feedback from your manager. It goes straight to the results.
Konami please address this annoying bug in BAL.
I would add some things to PES.
100% control of the player, meaning he won't run back for a ball which might go through a defensive line.
AI for transfers, because it's really weird to see Puyol playing in Real Madrid. This could be supported for BAL players with help from interviews where you can choose answers or simply a "profile" option, as to say, when you start, you have to put in your favorite team or teams and a number of inspirational players. This BAL option should help with transfers to desired teams.
Goalkeeper BAL.
Being able to actually spend your earnings on stuff. Luxuries can be fillers, but we can also enjoy better boots (Thanks, yen21), advertising campaigns (Popularity growth), better medical treatment for injuries and maybe partying and what not, just to add some spice to the "off the field" life.
Eligibility issues in transfers. For example, teams in Serie A can not have more than 3 non-EU players, and playing in Liga BBVA for 5 years would earn a player a Spanish passport. This becomes a complex problem if Kolpak ruling and the Cotonou agreement are taken into account.
BAL features asking for the ball and I think it would be a nice idea to also add an option for asking for a substitution and/or limiting your eligibility for a match, instead of letting that decision to be taken by the AI.
I might have some more ideas later~
the nameless
30-01-2012, 02:56
I have an idea that would put a useless feature to good use. The photo gallery only lets you look at a small picture from a match, and mark it as a favourite. The photos should be high-res, saved to your hard drive, have the option to delete them if you dont like them, but most importantly, you should have the option to make them your in-game main menu wallpaper, instead of that stupid video of the worlds most annoying player (if you dont support Madrid) puffing his stupid cheeks out like a primadonna. Or if not that, let us take a snapshot from a replay (FIFA can) to save to our hard drives.
Maybe even add the option to use custom wallpapers in the PES shop.
Your BAL guy mid strike as your wallpaper, that would be cool. I hope KONAMI do actually look at these boards and do actualy impliment things from suggestions.
Also, please for the love of my sanity, dont force me to look at my stats after everything that happens. Most of the time they are the same as they were 10 minutes ago, when I was forced to look at them.
MayonParaiso
03-04-2012, 22:56
wouldn't it be cool to play as a ref? I think I would like it
god damn everything i hate bal
Jace_River
09-05-2012, 23:48
U-20 selections, at least for the top teams... From every continent.
A really, REAL young team. Maybe called "Reserves" or "team B", just like the reality. This one must be playable in BAL and ML mode.
Leagues Supercups, like Copa del Rey winner against Liga BBVA winner.
Change team in ML mode, it's almost obligatory to include that in this version, and, if is posible, to train national teams.
In the BAL mode, the option to ask your teammates to kick a penalty or free kick, and the option to don't kick (if you're the predeterminated player).
Be the captain in BAL is just a nice band in the arm? Why we can't talk with the coach? Or the club boss? Or our teammates? Or, maybe, take autority in the strategy, I mean, the option of "suggest changes" to the coach in the middle of the match.
No more predeterminated team in BAL, we want choose it like PES 2011... But with more options! At least 2 from each league!
veryshop
16-05-2012, 07:42
Well, this doesn't affect me as i don't do any RWT, but it does seem like Jagex is finding any excuse to stop RWT sites. This "image copyright" is probably just a front to stop the RWT, as I don't think Jagex have said anything about this to other, non-RWT sites.Bill Levkoff Bridesmaid Dresses (http://www.crystalbridals.com/blog/bill-levkoff-bridesmaid-dresses.html)
metsuri69
28-05-2012, 09:26
Master League
To Pes 13 ML, add individual training focus on top of the current Team training focus
Hello!
As in Pes 12 Master League the training was changed to whole team training instead of player focused training from Pes 11. I'd like to see a possibility in Pes 13 to have a team training + focus on each individual player training..
This because it's a bit dumb that for instance a goalkeeper would train the exact same things as other team and neglecting his goalkeeper training.
Add a possibility to have universal training + individual. For instance to player, Physical + Speed. Physical being something which all players train, and to add up THIS particular player trains also Speed.
Bring back Scouting of Pes 11 to Pes 12
I'm really confused that why to Pes 12 the good working scouting system of Pes 11 was removed.
It was really interesting and good feature that in Pes 11 you had to add players to your scouting list and according to your scout level you would get information of the scouted players.
It really puzzles me why it was removed of Pes 12 as it was fully working feature. Please bring this back, it brought joy to scouting and finding talent.
Thanks, and I'm very happy if anyone takes a note of this :)
Smithies
28-05-2012, 17:57
i personally think they should improve the control you posess while not on the ball in BAL, rather than having to press R2 twice to call for a pass, you should be able to press X to call for direct, triangle to call for through ball, L1 and triangle for over the top through ball. Basically the same buttons you use to make the passes should be the same to call for them.
Also, in all game modes, your player should only side foot a shot if you press R2, a lot of players in real life when 1 on 1 will drill a shot past the keeper, but on Pes if you tap shoot in the box he side foots it. This would bring more use of the 'finesse shot' button cause i NEVER use it now because you're usually worst off if you do
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