View Full Version : Bring back the trick stick!!
Vitumbiko
19-07-2009, 01:17
In Pes 2009 I always hated it when you were running with a player and all of a sudden he would some random trick like the roulette, it was annoying, so please Konami bring back the trick stick!
I agree too. But it did return according to WENB.
Stormrider
19-07-2009, 06:44
Just have the option to use dpad tricks or trick stick cuz I like the dpad style.
shankly is god
19-07-2009, 16:03
just put it back to old pes games..button bashing combination's to do the tricks thats one of the things i loved about pes
chewynotcrunchy
20-07-2009, 12:32
Using the left trigger to activate the trick stick would allow you to use the right stick for both the manual pass and keep everyone happy.
Vitumbiko
20-07-2009, 18:48
I don't like the Manual Pass at all, It would be better if you use the left trigger stick to aim where u want to pass and just press the pass button to measure the power and pass.
And could one off the Moderators move this to the suggestion area. Thanks
the special1
24-07-2009, 12:18
absolutly pointless the new passing system bring back the trick stick
serialmania
24-07-2009, 14:20
Agreed!
I agree 100%.
i don't, i'm sorry
Janus909
30-07-2009, 09:53
nah i also disagree,
i use the trick quite alot, especially when playing with tevez or deco, to have to quickly move my hand back over to the left stick would be a complete pain aswell as make it obvious to my oppentent as to what im about to do.....its rare that i will do a 360 spin by mistake, for you that are complaining about that, you prob wanna get a bit more control over your player / own technique :ninja:
although in fairness I can understand how this would upset people who play using the left stick, i always use the d-pad!
nah i also disagree,
i use the trick quite alot, especially when playing with tevez or deco, to have to quickly move my hand back over to the left stick would be a complete pain aswell as make it obvious to my oppentent as to what im about to do.....its rare that i will do a 360 spin by mistake, for you that are complaining about that, you prob wanna get a bit more control over your player / own technique :ninja:
although in fairness I can understand how this would upset people who play using the left stick, i always use the d-pad!
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe people refer to the right analog stick as the trick stick. The left analog stick was only for directions.
The right stick was also used for manual passes, but you had to click the stick for it to activate the pass.
I was used to this setup.
shankly is god
30-07-2009, 11:02
the pes 5 trick combination was the best IMO so i hope it will be reproduced with maybe a few updates on combo's
^True. But according to WENB the trick stick is back.
shankly is god
30-07-2009, 16:03
havent read any posts on this whats the trick stick dude
I believe it's doing tricks with the right analogue button + R2.
iamcanadianeh
30-07-2009, 21:43
http://kitanamedia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1066&start=20
Sounds like it'll be a bit different this year, with the trick being done mostly by holding R2. I'm all for it. The big loss for me in PES 09 was that I can no longer do the drag back/v-feint effectively. The odd accidental roulette isn't the biggest problem IMO, but it seems to be something a lot ofpeople have experienced...
Jedimaster1
30-07-2009, 21:57
Here is the blog from WENB: http://winningelevenblog.com/blog/tricks-return-to-r2rt/
It has returned to the R2/RT button.
Jedimaster1
30-07-2009, 22:00
Btw, to all you haters, this is just another example that they are listening -- btw, for my street-cred, I own both games and am not a particular fanboy to either game (though I do prefer PES over FIFA so far...).
Yay a confirmation. I like the R2 thing.
I agree too. But it did return according to WENB.
yeah thats what i heard aswell
dukes1979
31-07-2009, 20:13
I 100% Agree Trick Stick Please As The D-pad Tricks SUCK!! Running then out of nowhere a trick is performed IT DRIVES ME MAD:realmad: So I Have To Agree, I Miss The Trick Stick & Would Love Konami To BRING IT BACK PLEASE:(:(
Im definitely glad they're changing it up coz i honestly dont seem to bother doing or attempting half the stuff i used to on previous versions and i guess the button layout for tricks has to be the main reason. Im also rubbish at doing chip shots these days since they tweaked it so i barely attempt to use any extra techniques other that the stepover, feint and lob pass when i play now.
pes should also have more tricks and skills
Maybe...but there are nice tricks and low key ones that happen naturally during play in certain situations if you have players with a high enough technique rating. Ive encountered a few nice moves in my time but there just not done manually.
svrmaster
04-08-2009, 20:00
there should be a option in the game but for psp they should leave it
I've no idea why people are buzzing over the new supposed trick "stick". From what I've read it's still on the god damn d-pad, just now we hold RT/R2 as well. To me, that's just as bad, any tricks involving the d-pad is terrible.
Konami should simply put the tricks back on the right analog stick, but we should hold the RT/R2 button so manual passers still feel happy.
As far as I can see, it's still on the d-pad so why are people getting excited?
^That's new to me because I didn't see that anywhere. Still if you hold R2 and do moves with d pad (or hopefully with the analogue left or right) it would be great. At least better than in pes 09.
How you all doing?
So what is the latest news on the right analogue? Will it still be wasted on the manual passing or will it go back to normal i.e tricks?
I made a few posts regarding this subject on the winningeleven website see here:
http://kitanamedia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=442&start=100
and the lowlife owner if anyone questions him goes on a power trip and bans me.
But my whole point is the trick stick as you call it should return, it is very crucial part of the game as you can see by looking at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfomSilKhxs
(Watch in HQ)
I would love if they can give us an option to configure our controls so that we can go back to the PS2 days that way everyone can be happy.
Discuss........
byrnie05
14-08-2009, 19:49
The thought of having tricks on a d-pad when you're using the left analogue to move the player is ludicrous ergonomics.
To be effective, human's would need a third 'Pro Evo' arm.
Run, run, run, run, stop. Move hand to do trick. Run, run, run, run. No thanks.
What point is manual passing when we know the analogue stick is 8-way control?
The thought of having tricks on a d-pad when you're using the left analogue to move the player is ludicrous ergonomics.
To be effective, human's would need a third 'Pro Evo' arm.
Run, run, run, run, stop. Move hand to do trick. Run, run, run, run. No thanks.
What point is manual passing when we know the analogue stick is 8-way control?
That's exactly why it is so absurd my man.
Why exactly would they even entertain this idea let alone implement it is beyond me.
If it aint broke why fix it? The controls were fine just concentrate on making the game play like it used too i.e the PS2 days.
Hopefully more people share this concern and if Konami really is listening please give us an option to configure it on the right analogue.
Perfectstrik
14-08-2009, 21:10
the right trick sticks not coming back,tricks will be made by a combination of the r2trigger and left thumbstick.This way you do not accidently do a roulette but maintain the logic of controlling tricks by using the primary means of control ie the d-pad or left thumbstick.Think about it tricks are movement so should be controlled by the same method as you move,is this not logical?
Perfectstrik
14-08-2009, 21:11
360 dribbling
Those of you experienced with FIFA 09, are fully aware that the players could only move in 8 directions. This actually restricted movement to Up, Down, Left, Right and the Diagonals in between, and for those who noticed it, it made for a somewhat frustrating and unrealistic experience. With 360 Dribbling you now have the freedom to move using all 360 angles, which gives you the freedom to move anywhere you want. This is the first time this is being offered in any football game and means that you will have a much smoother and fluid experience. With the right amount of practice you will be able to dribbling around players like never before. Dribbling is not the only benefit you will get from 360 Dribbling, it now makes passing much more realistic and controllable. Basically you will find yourself making passes not possible before simply because you can now point to anyone on the pitch.
360 Defensive Movement
Like 360 Dribbling, the 360 Defensive Movement allows all off the ball players the freedom to move and defend using 360 awareness. This makes for more accurate slide tackles (being able to pick the exact angle of the challenges), more shoulder to shoulder defending (subtle movements allow you to press against shoulders more easily), and ability to chase and close down opponents.
Whatever people say pes needs this plus a switch to full analog control the d-pads got to go.
ALTHOUGH ea are full of shit perfect striker on the n64 had all this back in 1996.
byrnie05
14-08-2009, 23:29
the right trick sticks not coming back,tricks will be made by a combination of the r2trigger and left thumbstick.This way you do not accidently do a roulette but maintain the logic of controlling tricks by using the primary means of control ie the d-pad or left thumbstick.Think about it tricks are movement so should be controlled by the same method as you move,is this not logical?
But whilst you're dribbling, having to stop a dribble to do the trick is still flawed. Your right hand is not doing much more than sprinting when dribbling, so why remove the function of controlling dribbling and the tricks at the same time, instead of having to stop one to do the other?
I hope with the feedback they have received someone has pointed this irritation out to Konami.
You can't control player movement and do a trick at the right time it's not possible your timing has to be out of this world to be able to pull it off when necessary.
Now apparently from what I have read they implemented a new system which now you have to hold R2 which eliminates random moves but still this is flawed you would have too stop your dribble and then perform a trick by then any decent player would be able to steal possession from you.
All this new control method does is eliminate the randomness of tricks, it is still FLAWED.
Konami just keep it simple and revert back to the old system or give us the option to configure it back to the right analogue.
Everyone will be happy that way......... It really is such minor issue but a hindrance to say the least which can be resolved so easily.
What kind of new gestures techniques have you included this time?
We had two wills: the first was designed to make the gestures available on the left stick but do not abuse it. That’s why most of feints can be made using the directions, with combinations as needed. But at the request of fans and in the light of various surveys that have been made, we’ve added new dribbles that can be launched with the right trigger and right stick. It’sa return to what was already known in the past, but enriched with feints and many more subtle. This version will require therefore even more anticipation and a thorough reading of the game of the opponent, to know whether to engage or not.
Does this mean what I think it does?
We can perform the Marseille turn and the flick up on the right analogue like it used to be:unsure:
iosonocanadese
21-08-2009, 18:31
ALTHOUGH ea are full of shit perfect striker on the n64 had all this back in 1996.
lol yep, I own ISS 64, great game and has 360 degree movement and passing. Many of the 'innovations' FIFA has made these last two years can be found in ISS 64.
The Liverpool Way
21-08-2009, 19:37
1,000,000% Agree. Bring Back the trick stick.
Post this is Konami Feedback so they know.
genexsis
21-08-2009, 21:20
1,000,000% Agree. Bring Back the trick stick.
Post this is Konami Feedback so they know.
Its already confirmed by seabass in an interview.
Tricks stick is back..
r2+ right stick or some feints with D-Pad.
Roulette is still on left stick but also on the d-pad and right stick..
So I am understanding that interview with Seabass correctly: the roulette etc is back on the right?:shocking: if yes then I am going to pre order the game now:unsure:
Itsfootballstupid
22-08-2009, 00:06
Yes the trick stick is back from the gamekult interview, if some people are honest with themselves they will admit that Konami is doing their best to satisfy their customers this year, can't wait for this game.
That would definitely be a step in the right direction out of the many things that needed changing I don't understand why they removed something that was perfect the controls should be the least of their worries......
Can you link me to the gamekult interview plz? If true then thank you Konami.
Itsfootballstupid
22-08-2009, 00:27
That would definitely be a step in the right direction out of the many things that needed changing I don't understand why they removed something that was perfect the controls should be the least of their worries......
Can you link me to the gamekult interview plz? If true then thank you Konami.
The interview was originally in french so I google translated it. just click in pes interview on the page.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.gamekult.com/&ei=WyuPSqHSHsuWlAffkPWjDA&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dgamekult.com%26hl %3Den (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.gamekult.com/&ei=WyuPSqHSHsuWlAffkPWjDA&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dgamekult.com%26hl %3Den)
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