Replace J. Champion by someone who actually KNOWS soccer?

[godzilliac]

I simply turned the sound level of the commentating dynamic duo to zero. They just remind me a tad too much about Waldorf & Statler from the Muppets.

While Lawrenson shows some sense of nuance at times, Champion just has to keep bickering about everything. Every shot that doesn´t lead to a goal is "a waste of effort", every time the opposition shoots (even when it´s off target) he keeps preaching how the defence gave too much room, when my team draws against FC Barcelona he gives crap like "we shouldn´t be struggling against teams like that and the manager knows that".

In the next editions I would suggest to get rid of him or transform him into someone who´s more knowledgeable about soccer. As for now he´s just a cynical, oversaturated old hag.

[godzilliac]

Oh my God....who´s actually more stupid here? Of course I realize it´s not a real person giving life comments during the game. My whole plea was about implementing a more indepth comment during the game and not just a negative review because you missed a goal or a team had a chance to shoot against you.

You seem a bit deluded from reality, pal. Take a break from your computer and try being a nOOOOOOOb again. I´m sure it´ll refresh your pattern of thinking.

[godzilliac]

I give up. Your inability to see the point in a text in combination with your fixation about newbies makes any discussion with you pointless. Also I didn´t realize the extent of your affection for the voice actors. Sad little man you are.

[Baddar]

I see MatTheCat's point.

It's not Champion's/Lawro's fault they say stuff in game at points when they really shouldn't.

It doesn't stop Champion and Lawro being awful though.

[Rob21C_UK]

I don't mind Champion (although i'd like someone better) but Lawrenson is so wooden. He doesn't "act" like he's at a real game he just reading lines on a script.

[godzilliac]

Of course you can´t blame the commentating duo. My point is that their voices are used in a rather poor combination with what´s actually going on during the gameplay.

The programming doesn´t seem to be a able to make a better distinction in what is a nearly missed chance or when a shot blatantly misses it´s target. It could also go the other way...sometimes I really miss the target but the opposing goalkeeper catches the ball anyway after which Champion comments "oh, that was a chance there". While it really wasn´t a chance at all.

I´m sure that the real Champion wouldn´t always be happy with the quality of the comment. It´s basically the same problem that occurs with the rating system. You can really get a good score by making several interceptions during a game, even though those interceptions didn´t create any danger at all. On the other hand, if you created several chances to score, with lots of near misses and eventually able to strike once...you can end up up with a rating of only 6.0 and a lower shot ratio.

I realize that the commenting isn´t part of the core of the game. But the way it is now doens´t really add to the fun of the game and I find it much easier to focus without listening to the commentating as it often doesn´t seem to "capture" the spirit of the game.

[What Lad]

I don't mind Champion (although i'd like someone better) but Lawrenson is so wooden. He doesn't "act" like he's at a real game he just reading lines on a script.

i agree. this is because mark lawrenson's job at the bbc is to sit in a nice cushy studio havin a cup of tea with his mate linekear and quietly chat over the days games with a rich tea or maybe even a jammy dodger

meanwhile at konami HQ
SEABASS: "ALRIGHT LADS, word on the street is that pro evo 6's commentators were TERRIBLE. sack the sound guy. guys we are going to revolutionise commentary from the ground up. we are going to use a unique new engine called teamcommentaryvision, we are going to have TWO new commentators. here is that list of new features in full:
+ 1 new commentator
+ 1 new commentator

now all we need to do is find two people that once spoke about football on tv. somebody get my laptop, we're going googling..."

this is actually how it transpired, i was there listening in from an air vent i'd snuck into

[Rob21C_UK]

i agree. this is because mark lawrenson's job at the bbc is to sit in a nice cushy studio havin a cup of tea with his mate linekear and quietly chat over the days games with a rich tea or maybe even a jammy dodger

meanwhile at konami HQ
SEABASS: "ALRIGHT LADS, word on the street is that pro evo 6's commentators were TERRIBLE. sack the sound guy. guys we are going to revolutionise commentary from the ground up. we are going to use a unique new engine called teamcommentaryvision, we are going to have TWO new commentators. here is that list of new features in full:
+ 1 new commentator
+ 1 new commentator

now all we need to do is find two people that once spoke about football on tv. somebody get my laptop, we're going googling..."

this is actually how it transpired, i was there listening in from an air vent i'd snuck into

That sounds about right. I knew Lawrenson wouldn't be a good choice when I heard he was going to be co-commentator in PES2008 when I re-installed FIFA2000 (I think) to find out how he was in that. Still I was hoping with a better script and it being 8 years on he'd be better but he wasn't. Chris Waddle on one of the other FIFA games was even worse, lol.

The best commentary i've heard in a game (bearing in mind i've never played a FIFA game since FIFA2002) was Barry Davies in Actua Soccer 1,2 & 3. Felt like he was commentating on a proper match even though it was limited by the fact they came out in 1996/97.

[Eduardo Dubs]

I read on the interwebs that Mark Lawrenson is planning to sue Konami, for some reason. Can someone confirm this?

[Barca FC]

The commentry has been poor for FAR to long. I think now our expectations have also been raised along with the move to next gen gaming. In my opinion, I have never liked Martin Lawrenson and John Champion is average. For me there are more commentators they could get...although Im not advocating Jonathan Pierce for the job. I think the commentators voices dont suite the game (strange as that may sound).

I would prefer Martin Tyler and Andy Grey...simply because whenever there is a BIG premier league game on tv (SKYSPORTS in the UK), i associate the occassion with the level of commentry i am going to get...and on tv those two are pretty good.
So i think the game needs good commentators. Sticking Martin Lawrenson is just wrong.

Think about it...commentators work as a duo. 1 guy is an announcer (calls names, gives general information) the other guy is more of an analyst (giving his views and also a bit of history). Now when you pair the PES commentators together, you mess everything up because Lawrensons analysis is shocking and Champion cannot keep up when the pace of the game is as rapid as it is.

They need to change those two because now the perception fans have with the games commentry is its shyt! And as soon we hear those guys voices in the next game...we will already expect rubbish.

So Konami please:
1. Change the commentry team
2. Change the commentry scripts. (Remove biased analysis which critisizes human players for not making substitutions)
3. Create an aspect of the code that actually analyses the game based on the stats. eg. if the persons possession stat is high after 15min, perhaps a comment from the second commentator on how the team is keeping the ball is appropriate.

This will help bring the games commentry closer to what is actually happening.

[PesMaster1]

yes i agree , with 1 , 2 and maybe 3 after the 25 or 30 minutes would be better

yes the commentator are very very poor in my opinion

mark lawro and jon champion = rejects to be honest

i would love gerry armstrong and maybe another good one

also the ITV commentators are the greatest , jim beglin and clive tydsley and peter drury also is a legend

[Rainey]

I would ITV commentators, for me the best partnership is the sky sports team onf andy gray and martin tyler.

I would love to see Peter Brackley back. But in all honesty, its the script that needs improving on.

[Mullet Taylor]

im happy enough with those 2 on board. wouldn't feel like pes without them :)

[liverpoolsco]

The commentry has been poor for FAR to long. I think now our expectations have also been raised along with the move to next gen gaming. In my opinion, I have never liked Martin Lawrenson and John Champion is average. For me there are more commentators they could get...although Im not advocating Jonathan Pierce for the job. I think the commentators voices dont suite the game (strange as that may sound).

I would prefer Martin Tyler and Andy Grey...simply because whenever there is a BIG England League game on tv (SKYSPORTS in the UK), i associate the occassion with the level of commentry i am going to get...and on tv those two are pretty good.
So i think the game needs good commentators. Sticking Martin Lawrenson is just wrong.

Think about it...commentators work as a duo. 1 guy is an announcer (calls names, gives general information) the other guy is more of an analyst (giving his views and also a bit of history). Now when you pair the PES commentators together, you mess everything up because Lawrensons analysis is shocking and Champion cannot keep up when the pace of the game is as rapid as it is.

They need to change those two because now the perception fans have with the games commentry is its shyt! And as soon we hear those guys voices in the next game...we will already expect rubbish.

So Konami please:
1. Change the commentry team
2. Change the commentry scripts. (Remove biased analysis which critisizes human players for not making substitutions)
3. Create an aspect of the code that actually analyses the game based on the stats. eg. if the persons possession stat is high after 15min, perhaps a comment from the second commentator on how the team is keeping the ball is appropriate.

This will help bring the games commentry closer to what is actually happening.

I certainly don't agree with you that Lawrenson and Champion are bad commentators. Do you ever listen to them in real life? They are two top class commentators. What the real problem is the script that they are given to read from. They aren't given the best lines to read and so it comes out with commentry that sounds jilted and doesn't always run together smoothly as you get comments that really don't alway fit with the situation being spoken. Now, I am up for the addition of other commentators to join the team but not to replace Lawrenson and Champion. I think it would be better to get recordings of real commentry that they give on a game and use that instead, just free them up and play them a game and let them commentate on it to give the game a more natural flow to it. I think some stats analysis would be good, certainly in older versions of PES Brackley and Brooking would talk about possesion and creating chances etc. which reflects reality and was a nice little touch so that coming back would be good but to ask for Sky Sports commentators would be a bad move. If you want to listen to them go play FIFA!

[liverpoolsco]

I simply turned the sound level of the commentating dynamic duo to zero. They just remind me a tad too much about Waldorf & Statler from the Muppets.

While Lawrenson shows some sense of nuance at times, Champion just has to keep bickering about everything. Every shot that doesn´t lead to a goal is "a waste of effort", every time the opposition shoots (even when it´s off target) he keeps preaching how the defence gave too much room, when my team draws against FC Barcelona he gives crap like "we shouldn´t be struggling against teams like that and the manager knows that".

In the next editions I would suggest to get rid of him or transform him into someone who´s more knowledgeable about soccer. As for now he´s just a cynical, oversaturated old hag.

Well to be honest I think that keeping Lawrenson and Champion in the game would be a good idea. In real life they are good commentators and analysists. I think that its more to do with the scripts that they are given to read which let the game down. Its also a case of getting to be more relaxed at recording on your own. It is a very unnatural situation for a football commentator to sit in a recording studio and read a script instead of sitting infront of a live game. Lawrenson did sound more relaxed this year than he was last year and they did improve the variety of what was said and when but it still didn't seem as good as it could be. Now, to be honest I would like the two commentators to be kept but allow them to be free to commentate as they would do in real life. Perhaps use real life commentry from them or give them a live match to commentate on or something like that...


i agree. this is because mark lawrenson's job at the bbc is to sit in a nice cushy studio havin a cup of tea with his mate linekear and quietly chat over the days games with a rich tea or maybe even a jammy dodger

meanwhile at konami HQ
SEABASS: "ALRIGHT LADS, word on the street is that pro evo 6's commentators were TERRIBLE. sack the sound guy. guys we are going to revolutionise commentary from the ground up. we are going to use a unique new engine called teamcommentaryvision, we are going to have TWO new commentators. here is that list of new features in full:
+ 1 new commentator
+ 1 new commentator

now all we need to do is find two people that once spoke about football on tv. somebody get my laptop, we're going googling..."

this is actually how it transpired, i was there listening in from an air vent i'd snuck into

This is a really terrible comment. Do you know that Lawrenson is an analyist for live radio? He is really good doing live commentry for BBC Radio 5live. What your saying here is really rediculous. Now, I think that a change of commentators was good for PES 2008. Having Brooking and Brackley for another year would maybe not be so great a change is good in that respect. Now, I do think that they could improve the script they read from or allow them to just commentate naturally on a real game. I am sure they are able to do that and produce more appropriate comments and a more dynamic commentry.

[Rob21C_UK]

Lawrenson is a bad actor, that's why he should be replaced. Yes he's a decent analyst on the radio and TV but he can't read from a script and can't act like he's at a real match when doing the voiceovers in the game. He was bad on PES2008/09 and on FIFA 2000, even Brooking was better.

[Barca FC]

I think Lawro and Champion are not the best commentators! Now maybe you are a big fan of them because you love them on BBC and FA Cup...im not faulting you for that. But Andy Grey and Martin Tyler do a pretty good job and given a choice I would prefer them. Credit to FIFA for grabbing them and Im not bitching or saying I want Konami to steal them but I think i would prefer better commentators from the grandads we have on PES. Its like the kits, yes you can do without them but given a choice you would not say no.

Yes the scripts are bad! I know that. We all know that. But in terms of their voices, I think PES needs a fresh start with two new commentators.

[PesMaster1]

yes they do need two new ones , gerry armstrong is the best commentator in the world along with jim beglin , would be a dream team

[CryingGallas]

I agree new commentators would be great who keep up with the pace of the game!

[Baddar]

yes they do need two new ones , gerry armstrong is the best commentator in the world along with jim beglin , would be a dream team

Those two? A dream team? How so?

They're both summarisers, for a start. Neither are proper commentators, so the two of them together on a game would never happen.

That said, I like both of them, but they'd never "call" a match together.

[liverpoolsco]

I think Lawro and Champion are not the best commentators! Now maybe you are a big fan of them because you love them on BBC and FA Cup...im not faulting you for that. But Andy Grey and Martin Tyler do a pretty good job and given a choice I would prefer them. Credit to FIFA for grabbing them and Im not bitching or saying I want Konami to steal them but I think i would prefer better commentators from the grandads we have on PES. Its like the kits, yes you can do without them but given a choice you would not say no.

Yes the scripts are bad! I know that. We all know that. But in terms of their voices, I think PES needs a fresh start with two new commentators.

I don't think that they need to change the commentators. If you heard Jon Champion on his tv commentry he sounds great and keeps a good commentry going. He is good in Champions League games and also in international games such as European Championships and World Cup. I think perhaps the way they go about recording the commentators and the setting that they put them in should be reviewed...

yes they do need two new ones , gerry armstrong is the best commentator in the world along with jim beglin , would be a dream team

I know who Jim Belin is but I have never heard Gerry Armstrong... Is he an international English commentator? He isn't someone i have come accross in the UK.

I agree new commentators would be great who keep up with the pace of the game!

:brickwall: Its not the fault of the commentators its more to do with the programming of the commentry in the game!

[liverpoolsco]

Well, its a very bizzare to be stuck in a studio and told to act like its a football match! Its pritty hard. I think that PES 2009 was better from him but I think they maybe they could take them to a real match and get them microphoned up and get some proper commentry!

[Mullet Taylor]

how can konami fix whats not broken ? lawro and champion are probably the cheaper option as konami have already got alot of recordings from them plus new ones. id rather see more effort put into the ml, bal and online

lets be honest, how many of us play with mute / music playing when playing pro ?

i'll be gutted if lawro's roar of " THE VOLLE " isnt in the new one

[Baddar]

liverpoolsco:

Gerry Armstrong is the Irish bloke who is one of Sky Sports' La Liga "experts". He's an expert because he spent a couple of years at Mallorca in the early eighties. >_>

[dan80]

lol MARTIN Lawrenson but yeah i agree that they r shit but apprently there will be the same this year but more improved

[Rob21C_UK]

Its only because Lawrenson isn't a good actor, in-game commentary is just like acting in a show/film. Andy Gray in FIFA sounds authentic because he can act like he is at a real match even when he's reading from a script.

Having said that, just like in a film, its up to the director to make sure he does it right so maybe its more to do with that.

[Barca FC]

As far as Im concerned the commentry team is boring. In fact lets look at this another way. Commentry is a critical part of any football match when you are a spectator. I dare you to watch the next Champions League final without commentry and to see whether you will have the same level of satisfaction.

Now when you consider that a lot of people are now turning off the commentry because it has become this bad, then to me at leaste I think Konami needs to do something about it. Im not saying you cannot enjoy the game without commentry but Im sure thats not how Konami want the game to be enjoyed and I know even they would agree with me (or they would remove it entirely).

So the Lawro and Champion have to go. I hear they will be in the next one and thats a shame...so look forward to another forum post from me next year asking for them to be changed :D.

[soc160]

I woudnt change the comentators myself, i think John Champion has a unique voice and is a great commentator, at lest he is in real life, i dont care about lawrenson though but theres not point changing him. The only person id rather have is Clive Tydsley simply because he gets over dramatic alot of the time, specially on champions league nights. But anyway its the script and the speed its played at that needs too be improved, people will compare the games commetary to fifa's. We all know fifa's commentary is better but even at that i have played FIGHT NIGHT ROUND 4 recently and the commentary in that is top notch, with background stories commentators having discussions and making comparisons. Another thing, anyone calling for andy gray and martin tyler should forget about it, there working for sky and probably on an exclusive deal with fifa.

[scholsey]

tbh, Lawrenson is only good and damn funny when he works with John Motson for BBC.
Two commentators I would like to see are Clive Tydsely (sorry if I spelt the name wrong) and Andy Gray. Martin Tyler IS a good commentator too.

[PesMaster1]

andy gray sucks to be honest , also clive tydsley i defo agree with him , along with Jim Beglin would be great

[konamiking]

For everyone who doesnt like the commentating in pes 2009 and earlier releases then i would reccommend not only watching the video i have posted below but to read some of these suggestions i have reccomended:
1. historical content--eg here an former gunner who could be competing against his team in the final!
2. louder and faster more commentatin ( make it frantic)
3. commentating relevant to the movement, passes, players, through balls, shots, rebounds, corner kicks and the stadium.

Last of all, listen to the commentating in the video below which is of a game player that would live in history of the minds of both liverpool and arsenal fans, it could only be ashavins 4 goals at liverpool.
Arshavins Poker-- Arsenal Vs Liverpool 4-4
lISTEN TO THE COMMENTATORS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBaQlzzV86Y

[Eduardo Dubs]

I'm not really a fan of European commentators at all. Not only are they extremely boring, but they make the whole experience just sound so much worse!

If you really wanted to listen to some good narrators, I'd suggest looking up José Silvério, o Pai do Gol! But of course narration will never reach his level on video games, it's impossible.

[Trevi]

How about Luis Omar Tapia, to me he was the best ever.

[konamiking]

This is Jon Champion!! who is in pes 09 but i dont know who the other guy is but it is a really good combination

[PesMaster1]

gerry armstrong (la liga) best commentator in the world

jim beglin is the best in england , lets have these two in it

[Eduardo Dubs]

This is Jon Champion!! who is in pes 09 but i dont know who the other guy is but it is a really good combination

You aren't making a lot of sense...
lol

[Sweey]

Threads merged.

[GoonerJosh80]

The commentry has been poor for FAR to long. I think now our expectations have also been raised along with the move to next gen gaming. In my opinion, I have never liked Martin Lawrenson and John Champion is average. For me there are more commentators they could get...although Im not advocating Jonathan Pierce for the job. I think the commentators voices dont suite the game (strange as that may sound).

I would prefer Martin Tyler and Andy Grey...simply because whenever there is a BIG England League game on tv (SKYSPORTS in the UK), i associate the occassion with the level of commentry i am going to get...and on tv those two are pretty good.
So i think the game needs good commentators. Sticking Martin Lawrenson is just wrong.

Think about it...commentators work as a duo. 1 guy is an announcer (calls names, gives general information) the other guy is more of an analyst (giving his views and also a bit of history). Now when you pair the PES commentators together, you mess everything up because Lawrensons analysis is shocking and Champion cannot keep up when the pace of the game is as rapid as it is.

They need to change those two because now the perception fans have with the games commentry is its shyt! And as soon we hear those guys voices in the next game...we will already expect rubbish.

So Konami please:
1. Change the commentry team
2. Change the commentry scripts. (Remove biased analysis which critisizes human players for not making substitutions)
3. Create an aspect of the code that actually analyses the game based on the stats. eg. if the persons possession stat is high after 15min, perhaps a comment from the second commentator on how the team is keeping the ball is appropriate.

This will help bring the games commentry closer to what is actually happening.


This is spot on the scripts are terrible in general and the commentary doesn't bear any relevance half the time. Lawerson and Champion are in for 2010 but the commentary is meant to be more game specific. I would love Tyldsley he'd be awesome and one other from ITV or Sky. Imagine Tyldsley in the CL final with only a minute to go and you equalise
NAME ON THE TROPHY!!!:w00t

I still think his commentary in the Man Utd v Bayern CL final in 99 was some of the best commentary I've heard.

if he was still alive I would have gone for Brian Moore as well because he was knowledgable abd spot on.

Imagine the last game of the season in the last minute of your master league game and you need to win you go through

THOMAS..... IT'S UP FOR GRABS NOW!!!!:w00t

In a nutshell the scripts and programming have to be a lot better

[PesMaster1]

okay , champion and lawro for pes 2010 , tyldsley is the best commentator around after Gerry Armstrong , jim beglin and tyldsley are amazing

[goldman132]

Champion is fine, its Lawrenson that ruins it. He's so cringeworthy in real life and in the game. Hopefully for PES 2011 he's gone

[Rob21C_UK]

Champion is fine, its Lawrenson that ruins it. He's so cringeworthy in real life and in the game. Hopefully for PES 2011 he's gone

I agree, also the script needs to be a lot better with a lot more variation. How many times do we have to hear Lawrenson say "Thats another chance to equalise just gone begging....". Replace him with someone who can act the part as well as being a good co-commentator. Some direction while recording wouldn't go amiss either.

[Robertinho]

I agree that it isnt commentators fault for such stupid phrases....Lawrenson could be better used to give information on team instead of being quiet all the time and Champion should give overall opinion on game.

Its annoying when they critize about not making subs or when ball is not going towards goal they are pretty noisy and when you score it they are quiet like a lamb.

Listen to him because he could replace champion more than good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS6Np-g_h5w

Look at these also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7MgWD3Wl-M&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKxGt2BzGR8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iR9c927roE&feature=related

These are simply hilarious to hear,now that is not being quiet and booring.

[muscularmatt]

the thing that annoys me about lawro is he says the word 'target' like a retard

[PesMaster1]

pes 2012 should have gerry armstrong for la liga commentator!!

should be able to select up to 10 different commentators

[Nysp]

I'm not really a fan of European commentators at all. Not only are they extremely boring, but they make the whole experience just sound so much worse!

If you really wanted to listen to some good narrators, I'd suggest looking up José Silvério, o Pai do Gol! But of course narration will never reach his level on video games, it's impossible.

I prefer Everaldo Marques (PT-BR) from ESPN or even Paulo Andrade.

[S-D-P]

Anyone else find it off putting when champion screams "nooowwwwwwwwwww" I always fluff my chance lol.

[MikeyM24]

This is spot on the scripts are terrible in general and the commentary doesn't bear any relevance half the time. Lawerson and Champion are in for 2010 but the commentary is meant to be more game specific. I would love Tyldsley he'd be awesome and one other from ITV or Sky. Imagine Tyldsley in the CL final with only a minute to go and you equalise
NAME ON THE TROPHY!!!:w00t

I still think his commentary in the Man Utd v Bayern CL final in 99 was some of the best commentary I've heard.

if he was still alive I would have gone for Brian Moore as well because he was knowledgable abd spot on.

Imagine the last game of the season in the last minute of your master league game and you need to win you go through

THOMAS..... IT'S UP FOR GRABS NOW!!!!:w00t

In a nutshell the scripts and programming have to be a lot better

Agree totally. Clive Tyldesley and And Townsend's commentary in FIFA WC2010 was the best I've ever heard in a football game. Konami should break the bank and get them for PES, but at the very least they need to make the commentary script more organic and freeflowing. EA I believe actually record their commentary tracks with Tyler and Smith watching a video of a match.

Champion and Beglin would be alright, if the commentary was allowed to flow. Sudden exclamations of "Knocks here!" or "NOW" do not make the game immersive in the way commentary should.

What the heck does "Knocks Here!" mean anyway? It's completely random.