View Full Version : The NEW VIDEO is OUT !
ehsancgfx
11-08-2009, 23:11
here : http://www.jvn.com/jeux/articles/pes-2010-les-strat-eacute-gies-en-vid-eacute-o.html
CryingGallas
12-08-2009, 00:42
Sweet! Just saw it on the WENB site! The gameplay looks the same!
Looks just the same as PES2009, and Konami seem to be a bit behind EA as they did the custom tactics in Fifa 09.
Looks just the same as PES2009, and Konami seem to be a bit behind EA as they did the custom tactics in Fifa 09.
Watching that video, it was clear that these custom tactics are a lot more advanced than the FIFA09 ones.
The tactical side of the game looks really good, but it won't matter if the gameplay stays the same.
They always had the tactical edge to Fifa, to the point where you could actually tell where the little changes were made. But yeah, all about the gameplay this year, we know them cats can deliver the graphics, so they dont need to spend any more on that.
Vitumbiko
12-08-2009, 01:52
Same gameplay as Pes 2009, were those motion cap vids for show or what?
Mullet Taylor
12-08-2009, 02:01
apparently this vid was filmed in June....keep the faith lads, keep the faith
me and my friends are giving pes 1 last chance. if it fucks up this time round, then my friends will go to fifa. i thought pes 09 was well worth the £40 and i got alotta hours outta it.
what i really wanted seems to have been done thus far. master league having real money and champions league....Schwing
Vitumbiko
12-08-2009, 02:07
It better live up to all these expectations. I'm starting to love Fifa.
El Pocho
12-08-2009, 04:00
absolute bullox video, for people who arent following the developement of the game and know this is without any animations added its a crap 50% code (one can hope) are now put off and wont buy the game, get your act together konami, if you aint have anything to show off then dont try to show something off!
The sliders will definately work. At least I'll get much more playtime with my ML.
Judging on that video. It looked like the 50% build with sliders and cards. But I am not sure.
If you look close, the defending is much better, they close more, and it is harder to dribble past every defender. At least that is proved.
One more thing is the speed. It reminded me of pes 6 not pes 08 or 09.
I'm simply not buying the whole video was made in June. If so Konami would be the most stupid company in the history of the world. Who would release a 2 month old video to dissapoint people? Not a chance in hell, if anyone believes that then they deserve to waste their money on PES10.
The gameplay looks 99% like PES09, no drastic improvements like they promised. It's clear they spend all their time on graphics and gimmicks (cards, real money in ML etc.)
I'm seriously not impressed at all.
I'm simply not buying the whole video was made in June. If so Konami would be the most stupid company in the history of the world. Who would release a 2 month old video to dissapoint people? Not a chance in hell, if anyone believes that then they deserve to waste their money on PES10.
The gameplay looks 99% like PES09, no drastic improvements like they promised. It's clear they spend all their time on graphics and gimmicks (cards, real money in ML etc.)
I'm seriously not impressed at all.
When I saw it last night I hoped it was a ploy to lower expectations before gamescom and then blow them out of the water with game play etc. we'll see!
Didn't impressive me me much, looks like '09 but just over complicated tactics that I'd hardly use myself.
He also calls it Pess. Loses points because of that :D.
FIORE_FAN
12-08-2009, 08:03
Well... saw the video the second it was put on last night. What struck me the second I saw it (which deffenetly seems that a lot of people in here have missed) is, that the start/intro is exactly the same as the June video!! So in my view that makes this video some extra footage from back then, which Konami didn't want out to the puplic just jet, because then it would be made puplic too soo for the competition to pick up upon. When we get this video now, then it's because it tells us a lot about some new features that is going to presumably revolutionize PES, that Konami just hinted at earlier - but no one actually knew how it would work. They can show it now, because production is so far ahead, that if the competition would react on this - it is simply too late. (Here I'm especially thinking about the cards system - which seems that FIFA got caught on their bed on that one). It looks very promising and seems to put a whole new dimension into player-individualism.
I presume that the new animations and other big news turns up this weekends gamescom.
I have no worries as of yet, since it in my perspective is obvious that this footage is extra footage from the video in June, which contained information Konami understandably didn't want to go puplic with yet.
Look at the graphics please! Do any of you see any motion-capture graphics? No? Well since we now know for sure, that mo-cap plays a new huge role in the animations/graphics this year, this can really only be footage from the earlier build.
Very exciting weekend up ahead!!! ;o)
Keep the faith guys!! This vid. here doesn't show half of it, as far as I'm concerned.
FIORE_FAN
12-08-2009, 08:15
Oh! By the way. Small notice here:
Anyone noticed that Messi's shirt is untucked?! ;o)
(As I remember, a lot of guys in here have been asking for that for years...)
Tech_Skill
12-08-2009, 08:18
I'm simply not buying the whole video was made in June. If so Konami would be the most stupid company in the history of the world. Who would release a 2 month old video to dissapoint people? Not a chance in hell, if anyone believes that then they deserve to waste their money on PES10.
The gameplay looks 99% like PES09, no drastic improvements like they promised. It's clear they spend all their time on graphics and gimmicks (cards, real money in ML etc.)
I'm seriously not impressed at all.
Lets give them a chance, lets see what they have got at Gamescom.
This playing cards shit actually looks nice you know, nice demonstration proving that these tactics actually work.
Pes is obviously going for 'deep' gameplay, I actually think this game is going to have good longevity in it you know, which has been fifa's problem for ages.
It might just be the vid in june but with a more in depth explaination of the sliders, and im pretty sure they are gonna add some mo cap animations on top of this.
So lets wait and see, pes is going in a different direction I feel in terms of user content and control to fifa.
However, Ill now agree with you on the following, in terms of the gameplay, it does look like pes 2009, not even just because of the lack of animations, but the way the players move off the ball, mark space, the running animations in that vid were off.
Lets see, personally, unless i see drastic changes, this will not be my full time choice of football game this year. It cant offer me what the other game can at this stage, maybe that will change though.
^I agree about animations that's why it's from the 50% build.
Oh! By the way. Small notice here:
Anyone noticed that Messi's shirt is untucked?! ;o)
(As I remember, a lot of guys in here have been asking for that for years...)
Finally someone positive.
As for R9NALD9
Look deeper instead of slating.
That's your problem, you judge without looking deeper.
It is from the 50% build. I am almost 100% positive at least according to wenb.
As for the gameplay. It looks like pes 09, but look deeper. The liverpool defence closed in much better and players don't "glide all over the pitch". Also the speed is slower (not by much, but it is slower).
Die Hard Pes Fan
12-08-2009, 08:36
^^ Yes everybody keep the faith, the lighting on the pitch looks far better. But wait until gamescom, thats when the truth will come out.
In Konami We Trust!
clearly from an older build Ign say they are considering ditching fifa this year for pro having played the latest code and they scored pro 2009 7.2 and Fifa 09 8.9, so the new code must be better. i am keeping the faith. I love the positive guys, i will only become negative once i have played it or maybe the demo
When I saw it last night I hoped it was a ploy to lower expectations before gamescom and then blow them out of the water with game play etc. we'll see!
Maybe, maybe not, but if so it must be the dumbest marketing ploy ever. I have never heard of a company that wants to lower your expectations to impress you. If that is the angle Konami uses, then something is wrong.
As for Shaun7:
Maybe, but Konami will only put the only 65% complete slogan on the gameplay presented at gamescon and everybody will hold onto that. I don't buy it sorry, I'm not saying it's 100%, but in June 4 months prior to release only 50% done, not a chance in hell (ask any game developer).
Tech_Skill
12-08-2009, 08:55
^I agree about animations that's why it's from the 50% build.
Finally someone positive.
As for R9NALD9
Look deeper instead of slating.
That's your problem, you judge without looking deeper.
It is from the 50% build. I am almost 100% positive at least according to wenb.
As for the gameplay. It looks like pes 09, but look deeper. The liverpool defence closed in much better and players don't "glide all over the pitch". Also the speed is slower (not by much, but it is slower).
Let him say what he wants to say.
Look, the last couple of games have been shit, and this gameplay in that vid doesnt look amazing, so he is right to be skeptical, simple as.
Yes, the tactics look good, and yes im sure they work instantly, but the overall gameplay we saw doesnt look great.
Next week better be major improvements.
Die Hard Pes Fan
12-08-2009, 09:01
They need a good game, Konami.
As do we. If it is the fans game, we spend alot on games, we expect great results.
Btw pre order PES 2010 on amazon for £20.
proevofan88
12-08-2009, 09:01
clearly from an older build Ign say they are considering ditching fifa this year for pro having played the latest code and they scored pro 2009 7.2 and Fifa 09 8.9, so the new code must be better. i am keeping the faith. I love the positive guys, i will only become negative once i have played it or maybe the demo
wasnt aware that ign said that
gotta link?
StaVriS92
12-08-2009, 09:11
guys also i think this is the pc version, i think it has many differences between ps3 version!
Pantilimon
12-08-2009, 10:34
From what I've seen until now it's PES 2009 with nice graphic and few changes,I don't have why to be optimistic about this...
Konami talk much and do few.Next week we'll find out the pure truth.
guys also i think this is the pc version, i think it has many differences between ps3 version!
There's no difference between PC and PS3 versions.
The Video in HD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnVcxMuPCF4
Perfectstrik
12-08-2009, 11:00
dont worry guys ive played the newer build and the players and goalkeepers are fully motion captured pes2010 looks so fluid and real now.
this video is a very old build.
^So you played the new build? And it was much better? Great.
Tech and ronaldo, you need to understand that the game was at 50% and animations weren't in yet, they were there, but not in the build (50% one) that the testers played.
I want proof that he has played the latest build.
chinaman
12-08-2009, 11:22
of course he hasn't played the newest build.
Tech_Skill
12-08-2009, 11:23
Tech and ronaldo, you need to understand that the game was at 50% and animations weren't in yet, they were there, but not in the build (50% one) that the testers played.
I think you need to understand how to read
I said this before you jumped in.
It might just be the vid in june but with a more in depth explaination of the sliders, and im pretty sure they are gonna add some mo cap animations on top of this.
Good try though
wasnt aware that ign said that
gotta link?
its on their twitter check it via their website http://twitter.com/teamIGNUK
Rob21C_UK
12-08-2009, 11:39
IMO Konami were never going to release anything new days before Gamescon. This video was released purely to show the new tactics and card systems will be used in play and how your changes effect the way the team plays. I'm really hoping the latest build from Gamescon has a lot more improvements in the game engine but I wouldn't be in shock if it hasn't changed. From the reports recently it seems to be improved to I'm quite upbeat.
Btw, both PES2008 and PES2009 had untucked shirts, the difference being in those games you couldn't choose it in the edit player menu and it happened automatically during the game. Plus its already been confirmed that untucked shirts will be an option in edit player in PES2010, which is nice.
Tech_Skill
12-08-2009, 11:42
IMO Konami were never going to release anything new days before Gamescon. This video was released purely to show the new tactics and card systems will be used in play and how your changes effect the way the team plays. I'm really hoping the latest build from Gamescon has a lot more improvements in the game engine but I wouldn't be in shock if it hasn't changed. From the reports recently it seems to be improved to I'm quite upbeat.
Btw, both PES2008 and PES2009 had untucked shirts, the difference being in those games you couldn't choose it in the edit player menu and it happened automatically during the game. Plus its already been confirmed that untucked shirts will be an option in edit player in PES2010, which is nice.
Can i just say.
I couldnt give a fuck about untucked shirts.
Next gen gameplay is what the game needs.
We might be getting more info in about 20 mins, stay tuned.
It'll be from the noobs forum or offical press release.
Rob21C_UK
12-08-2009, 11:54
Can i just say.
I couldnt give a fuck about untucked shirts.
Next gen gameplay is what the game needs.
We might be getting more info in about 20 mins, stay tuned.
It'll be from the noobs forum or offical press release.
You can ;)
Just responding to another post :)
I think you need to understand how to read
I said this before you jumped in.
Good try though
That, I was referring to ronaldo not you ;)
Rob21C_UK
12-08-2009, 12:13
Noticed that the sandbags are gone from the goals too.
Janus909
12-08-2009, 12:38
They need a good game, Konami.
As do we. If it is the fans game, we spend alot on games, we expect great results.
Btw pre order PES 2010 on amazon for £20.
£20??????? i just checked their website and this doesnt seem to be the case? do you care to elbaorate........
Rob21C_UK
12-08-2009, 12:45
I had a little check of that too last night and it was £19.99 for the X-360 version but today its changed.
Janus909
12-08-2009, 12:52
actually, ignore the above, im guessing your refering to the pc version! booo
Rob21C_UK
12-08-2009, 13:06
actually, ignore the above, im guessing your refering to the pc version! booo
No it was the X-360 version at £19.99, the PC version is £17.99.
Today its now £37.96.
what do you think about the support range slider? i think most people will have it short as long passing on both fifa and pes has never seemed right. its just so random, sometimes you can hit it full power and it goes nowhere and other times it glides miles out of play. some fine tuning needs to happen with accuracy,trajectory and speed of long balls to make it a complete game. also the barca formation, who do they play left mid and right mid? i always thought they played that 433 formation with the awesome passers narrow in the middle?
anyways this is prolly old news but since everybody had a go at this vid i watched one of fifas and the create a setplay looks awesome!
MysteryMan
12-08-2009, 16:55
Noticed that the sandbags are gone from the goals too.
They need to change the whole goal , it just looks ridicilous how its curved at the back, real goals do have some curve but not even remotely close to this , it just looks funny.
Pantilimon
12-08-2009, 18:21
dont worry guys ive played the newer build and the players and goalkeepers are fully motion captured pes2010 looks so fluid and real now.
this video is a very old build.
So the goalkeepers wont move like Flash from the Justice League anymore?
mm I'm being pretty sceptical about this one. I think SOME of the animations have been implemented in that video and it would be quite naive for some of you to believe otherwise. if you look at the way messi took a shot right at the end of the video, it was obviously more like the way he shots in real life one on one. However, i do believe there is a lot of work that has to be done and Konami IMO will rise up to it.
360 control needs to be in there
running animations need to change
that right angle turn players do is also very annoying
But no matter what happens It's pes or nothing. I just don't really like fifa and never will.
SammyGunner11
12-08-2009, 19:04
I'm guessing this video was released on purpose to make us believe that Konami have not done anything to improve gameplay, but for us to focus on the sliders and what not. Then, come Gamescon, they'll wow us with their intended ideas...wishful thinking, I suppose.
Rob21C_UK
12-08-2009, 19:06
mm I'm being pretty sceptical about this one. I think SOME of the animations have been implemented in that video and it would be quite naive for some of you to believe otherwise. if you look at the way messi took a shot right at the end of the video, it was obviously more like the way he shots in real life one on one. However, i do believe there is a lot of work that has to be done and Konami IMO will rise up to it.
360 control needs to be in there
running animations need to change
that right angle turn players do is also very annoying
But no matter what happens It's pes or nothing. I just don't really like fifa and never will.
I'm wondering if that last section at the end is from a different build, the animation does seem better than in the main demonstration of the tactics and cards.
It's PES or nothing for me too, FIFA on the PC is a complete waste of time.
MysteryMan
12-08-2009, 19:47
Next week we will see if Pes will succeed this year or not, it will all become clear then.
It looks like the 1-2 causes defenders to freeze again! and some of the defensive positioning was shocking!
^They actually closed better than in pes 09 even at that early build.
byrnie05
12-08-2009, 21:01
Watching the video and seeing how the gimmicky cards system works just made me realise that on PES6, the players did overlap and play passes along the goal area with ease without having to use a silly card system to activate it; it was just sorted AI and it did it automatically. PES09 definitely didn't have much overlap, even if you adjust the arrows and passing along the box is so hit or miss, but more miss.
Seeing as they could code it back into the AI, this seems like a feature for features sake, I reckon.
MysteryMan
12-08-2009, 22:39
Watching the video and seeing how the gimmicky cards system works just made me realise that on PES6, the players did overlap and play passes along the goal area with ease without having to use a silly card system to activate it; it was just sorted AI and it did it automatically. PES09 definitely didn't have much overlap, even if you adjust the arrows and passing along the box is so hit or miss, but more miss.
Seeing as they could code it back into the AI, this seems like a feature for features sake, I reckon.
But then every defender did it , it wasn't some special ability that only certain defenders do.
Watching the video and seeing how the gimmicky cards system works just made me realise that on PES6, the players did overlap and play passes along the goal area with ease without having to use a silly card system to activate it; it was just sorted AI and it did it automatically. PES09 definitely didn't have much overlap, even if you adjust the arrows and passing along the box is so hit or miss, but more miss.
Seeing as they could code it back into the AI, this seems like a feature for features sake, I reckon.
When I first heard about this I thought on the same lines as you, it seems rather than coding the AI properly to react in certain situations, it was easier to actually list the things they should be doing and but the onus on to the human player to select the right cards.
"Henry likes to shoot across goal inside the 18 yard box...so...cut back pass....." wtf???
Alves @ 4:46 what is that defender doing?
@ 2:18 watch the defender LB marking Messi (I think) where is off to? also look at the RB and CB marking each other and LW left free.
Although I am big fan of PES i think EA will get it right first, if you look at their game play video and watch the defensive positioning they are poles apart. that said its not the final build and I will have to wait and see what gamescom has to offer. I think the culture thing will start to hold Konami back, they respect the attacking side too much and give too much of an advantage going forward. The chipped through ball only works in 09 so effectively because the defender stops and moves back a yard before going forward again. also take BAL as an example, they assumed that nobody would want to play a defensive position! they need start thinking about player awarness and defensive positioning. Again in the video where its on about Alves he is moving forward watching the ball it looks barcelona are about to loose the ball but he is still moving forward and doesnt actually slow down until they have the ball back. Come on Sebass think it through man!
Sorry for the scrambled thoughts!
im just going to wait for the final build before deciding because konami know they must succeed this year so fingers crossed theres better to come
^Yeah true.
BTW, this constant negativity has to stop. Everything is negative to some of these forum members.
The cards will bring player individuality, something that defines the teams, be proud and happy that player individuality is in pes and will continue to evolve with the cards.
proevofan88
13-08-2009, 06:07
Thx to JAMESLV ( for link )
thought I would add this ( since these guys have played the latest code ) I would say they have more authority on this subject than any of us here
IGN:
One intense lunchtime session of PES 2010 later, and we're seriously considering switching back over from FIFA. Very foot, very ball.
Would anyone care to answer why they like it more? Even tho they scored FIFA 09 a 8.9 ( i believe ) and PES 2009 a 7.2....?
Would love to hear...
Jedimaster1
13-08-2009, 06:15
^Yeah true.
BTW, this constant negativity has to stop. Everything is negative to some of these forum members.
The cards will bring player individuality, something that defines the teams, be proud and happy that player individuality is in pes and will continue to evolve with the cards.
I agree. I was actually excited by the card system because I thought finally players will play like they do in real life rather than feeling like every player and team plays the same way -- ala Fifa 09. I want Barca to feel like Barca, Alves to play like Alves. If you ever see him, he pushes up constantly. When Puyol replace him in the CL final, he stayed with backline unlike Alves would've do.
I think PES is making good strides forward and I hope the gameplay is up to par. If it is, and konami can deliver on its promises, then this may be the game we have been waiting for.
Personally I liked Fifa 09, but after a while it just feels like the same game, and online, it is merely a sprint fest. Plus after seeing the latest gameplay footage of fifa 10, it looked the same as 09.
Anyway, can't wait to see what EA and Konami can bring. Remember, competition is a good thing. Just take a look at Madden t0 see what I am talking about.
Fifa vid below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFiB4ttlNfo&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Ffifasoccerbl og.com%2F&feature=player_embedded
Jedimaster1
13-08-2009, 06:18
Thx to JAMESLV ( for link )
thought I would add this ( since these guys have played the latest code ) I would say they have more authority on this subject than any of us here
IGN:
One intense lunchtime session of PES 2010 later, and we're seriously considering switching back over from FIFA. Very foot, very ball.
Would anyone care to answer why they like it more? Even tho they scored FIFA 09 a 8.9 ( i believe ) and PES 2009 a 7.2....?
Would love to hear...
Yeah, nice link!
proevofan88
13-08-2009, 06:57
Yeah, nice link!
Here is the link you Idiot.
( I was just thanking JAMESLV for finding it for me so that I can find waht I need and post it to you guys )
i agree with most of you guys. There is no point making a judgement on it until the final version is out. Thats like going home at half time when liverpool were loosing 3-0 in the champs league final. Just be patient and see what they come up with.
Die Hard Pes Fan
13-08-2009, 21:28
£20??????? i just checked their website and this doesnt seem to be the case? do you care to elbaorate........
Yea sorry dude, it was £20 but those bastards put it up, its happening all over the place.
Sorry again.
Perfectstrik
13-08-2009, 21:31
Here is the link you Idiot.
( I was just thanking JAMESLV for finding it for me so that I can find waht I need and post it to you guys )
top man get as much info as possible
Dragonfly
13-08-2009, 21:32
A guy at work told me he ordered it for £20 from Amazon, then it was full price the next day. I don't think he's received an email cancelling his order or explaining any sort of error.
Die Hard Pes Fan
13-08-2009, 21:47
Just thinking it does seem abit like the June video.
If you remember in the IGN video it was the same intro just speeded up and he wouldnt of went twice, and that was probably filmed in June but Konami probably didnt want that released yet. For some strange reason
Just my opinion.
Hopefully we will get told about licensing/editing at gamescom as I need to know the boots if they are fake like 08 I wont be happy, or like 09 real licensed boots.
Sweet! Just saw it on the WENB site! The gameplay looks the same!
they should improve the gameplay from pes 4/iss deluxe
and the AI from pes 6!
Mullet Taylor
13-08-2009, 22:14
spending money on real boots is a waste of time imo. rather pay what would cost getting proper boots to a few workers who can improve the entire game
im not getting my hopes up though . no expectations so i cant be let down
Die Hard Pes Fan
13-08-2009, 22:26
No I didnt mean waste money on boots, that could be spent on the Bundesliga. And I meant that if they will be turd fake boots or real ones like 09 just the latests models. And I would be happy.
Rob21C_UK
13-08-2009, 22:28
No I didnt mean waste money on boots, that could be spent on the Bundesliga. And I meant that if they will be turd fake boots or real ones like 09 just the latests models. And I would be happy.
Bundesliga is a gonner, EA have exclusive rights to it now. More bully boy tactics by Electronic Arts...
Die Hard Pes Fan
13-08-2009, 22:36
Those EA bastards taking away the Bundesliga, wasting it on there shitty game.:realmad:
Rob21C_UK
13-08-2009, 22:41
My worry is the Prem1er League licence up for renewal next year EA could slam a wad of cash at the FA and have that licence exclusively too... :unsure:
Die Hard Pes Fan
13-08-2009, 22:50
My worry is the Prem1er League licence up for renewal next year EA could slam a wad of cash at the FA and have that licence exclusively too... :unsure:
As I said they should do it fairly but that wont happen, EA wouldnt do that because they are cocks (and they are rivals of coarse).
But it would be nice to get the licensing for once and then watch all the Fifa fans go to PES because they lost there precious licensing.
Jedimaster1
13-08-2009, 22:50
Here is the link you Idiot.
( I was just thanking JAMESLV for finding it for me so that I can find waht I need and post it to you guys )
lol I was thinking him for the link he posted here and thought you were thanking him for the same. No need for harsh words or acting like a jerk. I was just happy with the link he provided on the posts previous.
Man, someone didn't have his coffee today...
Die Hard Pes Fan
13-08-2009, 23:01
@ 2:18 watch the defender LB marking Messi (I think) where is off to? also look at the RB and CB marking each other and LW left free.
I remember hearing AI have cards aswell and they probably have sent two players to close him down, just trying to get a positive out of a tricky situation, its unlikely, but I hope thats just what it was.
byrnie05
13-08-2009, 23:16
I agree. I was actually excited by the card system because I thought finally players will play like they do in real life rather than feeling like every player and team plays the same way -- ala Fifa 09. I want Barca to feel like Barca, Alves to play like Alves. If you ever see him, he pushes up constantly. When Puyol replace him in the CL final, he stayed with backline unlike Alves would've do.
Yeah, I'm all for that, but why add it in as a feature, when it should be hard-coded into the freaking game anyway. It is after all supposed to be a simulation, so without the cards on, are we to expect Barca to play generically like all the other teams will without using cards?
That's not very good at all.
proevofan88
13-08-2009, 23:28
lol I was thinking him for the link he posted here and thought you were thanking him for the same. No need for harsh words or acting like a jerk. I was just happy with the link he provided on the posts previous.
Man, someone didn't have his coffee today...
Hehe naw man. I thought you were trying to be SMART...
Im good dude, no problems here.
manuxinho
14-08-2009, 00:59
the vid looks sweet..can wait...
Jedimaster1
14-08-2009, 01:40
Hehe naw man. I thought you were trying to be SMART...
Im good dude, no problems here.
Cool man. Thanks. Have a good one!
Jedimaster1
14-08-2009, 01:44
Yeah, I'm all for that, but why add it in as a feature, when it should be hard-coded into the freaking game anyway. It is after all supposed to be a simulation, so without the cards on, are we to expect Barca to play generically like all the other teams will without using cards?
That's not very good at all.
I can hear that and agree to a certain extent. I think it is cool to have that as an option of strategy rather than a given. Not all of us want to play like Barca -- although I do :) But some may want to give it a different feel and these cards help that -- like you wouldn't want Alves pushing up when playing a team like ManU or if you are trying to protect a lead.
But it's good its at least there. Although i do get your point.
^Well, if you remove the cards, BARCA will still feel like Barca. I am 100% positive about this one because PES always had the individuality.
i cant see why the premierleague, instead of auctioning off the exclusive rights to the names, can just set a fee for usage. Slightly smaller than the fee the EA are throwing at them. Then they would make even more money because both konami and EA would pay to have the rights.
why couldnt they do that?
shankly is god
14-08-2009, 10:00
EA has the overall rights to the prem meaning no one else can make a bid to "share" said league...total exclusivity
thats rubbish. i have always hated that. just dont see why they dont share. Obviously EA dont want to let Konami have the rights to have 1 up on them but it frustrated the hell out of me.
Die Hard Pes Fan
14-08-2009, 11:08
thats rubbish. i have always hated that. just dont see why they dont share. Obviously EA dont want to let Konami have the rights to have 1 up on them but it frustrated the hell out of me.
Ano I'm sure Konami would share with Fifa ;) but as I said 10 teams each and pay half as much as a full league would be.
EA has the money, Konami doesnt simple. Unfortuatly for us.
EA have alot of sponsorship, everywhere I go I see Fifa 2010 advertised, it gets on my nerves so much.
the premier league is not a big deal really. especially for anybody who frequents these forums. the only disadvantage it brings is that you have to hold of starting a ML or something until one of the many awesome option files are released. there always damn good OF that are more than sufficient. not having the bundesliga is the biggest upset, adding an entire league will be a lot harder than editing some kits, and then it still cant be used in the ML unless its over another league and not just league B which is stupid! (well thats if it continues to be like that in PES10 as it was in PES09)
byrnie05
14-08-2009, 19:44
^Well, if you remove the cards, BARCA will still feel like Barca. I am 100% positive about this one because PES always had the individuality.
Maybe if you play as Barca, but this year's game cheated so much in Master League that you were playing scripts, not the individual style of the opponent.
iamcanadianeh
14-08-2009, 21:20
Yeah, I'm all for that, but why add it in as a feature, when it should be hard-coded into the freaking game anyway. It is after all supposed to be a simulation, so without the cards on, are we to expect Barca to play generically like all the other teams will without using cards?
That's not very good at all.
How can you complain about having options?
:shocking:
Being able to turn off or on one player's runs won't change the way the whole team plays anyway. Sorry, I'm just really not seeing your point here at all. :no:
Perfectstrik
14-08-2009, 21:35
360 dribbling
Those of you experienced with FIFA 09, are fully aware that the players could only move in 8 directions. This actually restricted movement to Up, Down, Left, Right and the Diagonals in between, and for those who noticed it, it made for a somewhat frustrating and unrealistic experience. With 360 Dribbling you now have the freedom to move using all 360 angles, which gives you the freedom to move anywhere you want. This is the first time this is being offered in any football game and means that you will have a much smoother and fluid experience. With the right amount of practice you will be able to dribbling around players like never before. Dribbling is not the only benefit you will get from 360 Dribbling, it now makes passing much more realistic and controllable. Basically you will find yourself making passes not possible before simply because you can now point to anyone on the pitch.
360 Defensive Movement
Like 360 Dribbling, the 360 Defensive Movement allows all off the ball players the freedom to move and defend using 360 awareness. This makes for more accurate slide tackles (being able to pick the exact angle of the challenges), more shoulder to shoulder defending (subtle movements allow you to press against shoulders more easily), and ability to chase and close down opponents.
Whatever people say pes needs this plus a switch to full analog control the d-pads got to go.
ALTHOUGH ea are full of shit as konamis perfect striker 3 on the ps2 had all this back in 2001 and even earlier in perfect striker2 1999 on the n64.
byrnie05
14-08-2009, 23:23
How can you complain about having options?
:shocking:
Being able to turn off or on one player's runs won't change the way the whole team plays anyway. Sorry, I'm just really not seeing your point here at all. :no:
If you have to set-up teams to require cards to make them play like their real life counterpart, then on default they won't be a realistic representation of the real team, that's my point. We have to do so much legwork in editing the game for authenticity, we shouldn't have to give the AI a helping hand, ffs.
Especially as we've been lumbered with the cheating Teamvision for two years, so I see it as a cheek we're expected to spend more time editing a team to react like they would do in real life.
CryingGallas
15-08-2009, 00:13
Yeh I'm not sure about his card system, it seems dodgy to me! But I think that if you turn off the cards for a team such as Barca they should still play like Barca or the game would be totally rubbish.
It would mean that the game relies on a card system when certain play should be harcoded into the system!
turnburger
15-08-2009, 00:22
i hope this new card and tactic system doesn't mean people are gona pause the game every 2 seconds to turn the cards on and off. cus the hole flow of the game would be wrecked
^Pes 2010 really has great graphics. :)
Yeh I'm not sure about his card system, it seems dodgy to me! But I think that if you turn off the cards for a team such as Barca they should still play like Barca or the game would be totally rubbish.
It would mean that the game relies on a card system when certain play should be harcoded into the system!
Ofcourse they will. The cards and sliders (well sliders are necessary for barca to play like real barca) enhance that though.
Tech_Skill
15-08-2009, 12:38
i hope this new card and tactic system doesn't mean people are gona pause the game every 2 seconds to turn the cards on and off. cus the hole flow of the game would be wrecked
This is one of the issues with the sliders as well, they seem to be a menu only option, so every change you make has to be within the menu, which means constantly pausing. It depends on how often you need to make adjustments to the sliders. In fifa I use them to create the overall style of the team and how it should play, for me, I dont change this during the game, i simply use the in game option to make the team more attacking, more defensive etc, so i dont find myself pissing about in the menu mid game. Maybe it will work that way for pes 2010 also.
Die Hard Pes Fan
15-08-2009, 12:50
I think the cards will be a great addition, because I am sick of playing with a big physical side (Bolton, Stoke) and they are playing brilliant football, its just not like that in real life. So it would be good to mix long balls for physical teams and short passing for sexy football teams.
Its just wee intoductions of those things that will make it feel more like you are playing with a team and not playing with another team, if you get what I mean.
Eg. Its no use being Bolton and playing football like Barcelona, its just not right.
^Yeah and the sliders can make that a reality. If they work ofcourse. ;)
I think that the sliders and cards are a great addition. They will add much more longitiviety.
Die Hard Pes Fan
15-08-2009, 15:23
^Yeah and the sliders can make that a reality. If they work ofcourse. ;)
I think that the sliders and cards are a great addition. They will add much more longitiviety.
Yup me too, I think the cards will be a great addition, but I also think the Fifa tactics things dont work, all that greatly. I dont usually use tactics but this will get me more intrested in using them.
The cards will be awesome dont shoot them down just yet until everybody has used them.
iamcanadianeh
15-08-2009, 16:06
If you have to set-up teams to require cards to make them play like their real life counterpart, then on default they won't be a realistic representation of the real team, that's my point. We have to do so much legwork in editing the game for authenticity, we shouldn't have to give the AI a helping hand, ffs.
Especially as we've been lumbered with the cheating Teamvision for two years, so I see it as a cheek we're expected to spend more time editing a team to react like they would do in real life.
I can't imagine why you would have to edit anything. Alves would obviously have his overlapping run card turned on, for example, out of the box. I don't even know if we would have the option of changing cards for other teams other than the one we're controlling, but we might.
Also, I think (just a hunch) these options (on/off) might be controllable in BAL, so that you have some control over your teammates AI in that mode.
I think the card system is great, it'll make teams more unique, i'm loving the sliders. I should be able to get the exact style of play i want.
Die Hard Pes Fan
16-08-2009, 19:42
I think the card system is great, it'll make teams more unique, i'm loving the sliders. I should be able to get the exact style of play i want.
Thats what I said, Bolton will play like Bolton (Long balls).
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