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There's been alot of criticism and pessimism surrounding the release of PES10. What little news there has been has been subject to intense scrutiny and negatvity, and in fairness alot of it justified.
Now there seems to be some genuinely good news confirmed for PES 2010 I'd like to know has the optimisim returned? How many of you out there were considering Fifa 10 as a viable option this time round? Has the latest news changed anything for you?
I notice there has been no real news surrounding the online playability - it's still very high on the agenda and if Konami roll out another lagtastic experience it will severly damage their credibility. How many of you are still unconvinced despite the first clear nod of genuine gameplay improvements?
What say you?
i'm pleased with the news, same said with most others but my mood is i just wanna play the damn game!!!
well from seeing the new screen shots i want the game even more
LakoLako
17-08-2009, 16:39
After I the rumour that 360 dribbling was only on PS3, I started to consider getting FIFA instead or getting PES at a later date, something I never wouldve considered a few years ago as I've had every PES, but now I'm defo getting PES as with 360 dribbling confirmed on the xbox and amazing graphics and no more cardboard crowd ill buy PES 2010 now.
Perfectstrik
17-08-2009, 16:48
Chuffed to bits pes2010 will put konami back on the map with fluid player control and a much needed dimension to the gameplay.
I bet dave ruttler of ea feels like the bottom of his world has fallen out.
No doubt about it pes09 was more enjoyable then fifa09 and now with 360 movement and the tactics slider and card system pes2010 will be mind blowing!!!!!!
The only thing is the endless wait for release which cant come soon enough....hopefully its finished and they go head to head with fifa on the 2 of october...
CDDRodrigo
17-08-2009, 16:48
With all the news, I'm sure PES fan will get PES10.
Blade1889
17-08-2009, 16:51
I'm really happy with the previews I've read so far :)
Sounds like the game has many new animations, has been slowed down, looks great and has a great new look ML!
I'm still not getting too excited till I see a proper review though and play the game myself. It seems that previews are always very positive about the game and the writer only writes the negatives once they review the game.
For the first time in a long time im actualy pleased, there actualy trying this year after slowly loosing intrest over the past few years.
I was just exspecting another game with tweaks. Im thrilled with the 360 dribbling, manual keepers, new peno system, and the online tournaments:D
Just pray to god theyv sorted the lag out for good.
Die Hard Pes Fan
17-08-2009, 16:54
See if you put a gigantic list of everything that they have improved/ put in, I think it has the chemistry to be the best PES ever. Anyone agree?
Well i have to be honest and say that i was one of the justified negative people when it came to the future of PES games after the last couple of instalments and the over cooked improvements Konami fed us in the pre-release to those games.
Now with all these reported improvements (hopefully all 100% accurate) i am feeling much more up beat about PES2010. I think Konami could really get back on track this time around, and if its gonna be as improved as they make out then i believe almost all PES fans will be happy to restore their faith in the PES series and give Konami a clean slate which can only be a good thing for Konami and the fans alike.
Mullet Taylor
17-08-2009, 17:07
every year i'm always excited but tbh i'm not reallllly excited yet. The past 2 years has taught me not to get my hopes up but either way i'll be buying the game.
i couldnt wait before this news, now its going to be even harder, so many positive previews. I look forward to the late night WENB podcast, as they playstested today. Suff is also known as the fifa 'fanboy' on the podcast, he has played both and always tells it how it is. But i cant wait, did u see some of the stats for messi and ron http://twitter.com/mrbamber
See if you put a gigantic list of everything that they have improved/ put in, I think it has the chemistry to be the best PES ever. Anyone agree?
The proof's in the pudding and Gamescom will no doubt shed further light and opinion on what's been revealed today but this finally sounds like a genuine step forward for the series if you look at the individual improvements. If they've been executed well (penalty system sounds like it will take a bit of getting used to...) then yes this could be the PES title people have been asking for ever since the series went next-gen.
Die Hard Pes Fan
17-08-2009, 17:34
The proof's in the pudding and Gamescom will no doubt shed further light and opinion on what's been revealed today but this finally sounds like a genuine step forward for the series if you look at the individual improvements. If they've been executed well (penalty system sounds like it will take a bit of getting used to...) then yes this could be the PES title people have been asking for ever since the series went next-gen.
Yes definately mate, everybody was asking for 360 movement, but werent expecting it, and them bamm..... its in, I actually believe Konami that they have been listening to our views.
Nothing matters unless online play works properly. I buy this game every year and it sits on my shelf collecting dust. I only have one friend thats decent enough to play against locally. I hate playing against the computer I want to beat real people.
I dont care about anything else but online play. If the dont fix it this year soccer games are dead to me. They have lost so many fans to fifa for this reason. I dont even remeber how to play this game. 3 years it has been since i played a decent online match.
The longer this goes on the closer we get to the end of pro evo.
^Come one man. Online only??? It's important yes, but the online is not the core game. That matters the most because even online uses the core game's gameplay and graphics.
As for the game. It's really looking awesome. It seems that my waiting and seeing things before commenting really worked. I was right not to judge from the begining.
Pes 2010 improved alot even as a pes game because I have never witnessed a pes game that has all so many new features.
Janus909
17-08-2009, 21:37
Nothing matters unless online play works properly. I buy this game every year and it sits on my shelf collecting dust. I only have one friend thats decent enough to play against locally. I hate playing against the computer I want to beat real people.
I dont care about anything else but online play. If the dont fix it this year soccer games are dead to me. They have lost so many fans to fifa for this reason. I dont even remeber how to play this game. 3 years it has been since i played a decent online match.
The longer this goes on the closer we get to the end of pro evo.
i have to agree with this guy, i am quite lucky that alot of mates play aswell as all my housemates but still.....online is the most important factor in determing this games success, dont get me wrong, i will buy it regardless but i hope to god they sort it out!!! So in response to the thread, all the improvements look fantastic, but am hopeing for some news on the new online system, i guess the annoying thing is that untill they have 10's of thousands of people on their servers, they can never really test it??? ...........:no:
Die Hard Pes Fan
17-08-2009, 21:46
i have to agree with this guy, i am quite lucky that alot of mates play aswell as all my housemates but still.....online is the most important factor in determing this games success, dont get me wrong, i will buy it regardless but i hope to god they sort it out!!! So in response to the thread, all the improvements look fantastic, but am hopeing for some news on the new online system, i guess the annoying thing is that untill they have 10's of thousands of people on their servers, they can never really test it??? ...........:no:
If you havent seen this (probably have) here, go on winningelevenblog.com and there is online pictures, under the name, ONLINE MODE SCREENS RELEASED!
Perfectstrik
17-08-2009, 21:56
online will be good this year to,konami are also working hard on getting that right,i doubt it will ever be totally lag free all the time(what is?) but im sure it will be better then the last two years and more like pes6 on xboxlive.
Lets take the positives,which there are many plus the ign preview which talks about important things like playability and enjoyment plus fluid and organic football....
The 360 thing is massive plus all the other changes like NO invisible walls on throw ins and underarm goalkeeper throws..........let us also not forget the tactical slider and card system massive changes in one year.
Janus909
17-08-2009, 23:04
If you havent seen this (probably have) here, go on winningelevenblog.com and there is online pictures, under the name, ONLINE MODE SCREENS RELEASED!
Cheers bud, yeah i had seen them, all looks alot better than 08/09 but all i want to know is how smoothly it runs. In fairness to the above post, your right, lag will always exsist, but ive heard about Fifa's online system (never played it) and just hope it runs as smoothly as that apparently does! I am however keen to find out about the CO-OP Tournament, sounds like it could be 2v2 from the same console, i hope so anyway!!
Die Hard Pes Fan
17-08-2009, 23:10
Cheers bud, yeah i had seen them, all looks alot better than 08/09 but all i want to know is how smoothly it runs. In fairness to the above post, your right, lag will always exsist, but ive heard about Fifa's online system (never played it) and just hope it runs as smoothly as that apparently does! I am however keen to find out about the CO-OP Tournament, sounds like it could be 2v2 from the same console, i hope so anyway!!
No problem, I think this game will be brilliat, but a stepping stone onto futher greatness.
^Come one man. Online only??? It's important yes, but the online is not the core game. That matters the most because even online uses the core game's gameplay and graphics.
As for the game. It's really looking awesome. It seems that my waiting and seeing things before commenting really worked. I was right not to judge from the begining.
Pes 2010 improved alot even as a pes game because I have never witnessed a pes game that has all so many new features.
I would take be more than happy with 09 if there was no lag problem, in fact 08 would have been OK! Online is important, dont underestimate it. glad the comps are back like pes6.
Must say I am really looking forward to it, started to think that I would have to hang up my pad at 37 after 25 years of footy games, now it looks like it might be needed for a few years more!
As for Dave Rutter, hope he aint feeling too bad, he has brought EA forward a million miles and I would dare say PES with it!
^I think no one understood what I said.
I meant that online is important (ofcourse it is) but in online the game's gameplay wil be used, so if it is lag free but has bad gameplay, what value does online have?
It all depends on how good the core game is.
At this point, I'm trying my best to ignore all the hype. Ever since PES 2008, I always have gotten really hypeed up about the game and listened to the blogs where gaming sites claim that this is the year that Konami reclaim their throne only to be bitterly dissapointed. This year, no hype and definitely no guaranteed release day buy. I plan on giving the game a rent first and then deciding wether to buy. With PES(and really anything in life) the less you expect from something, the less chance there is of being disappointed.
At this point, I'm trying my best to ignore all the hype. Ever since PES 2008, I always have gotten really hypeed up about the game and listened to the blogs where gaming sites claim that this is the year that Konami reclaim their throne only to be bitterly dissapointed. This year, no hype and definitely no guaranteed release day buy. I plan on giving the game a rent first and then deciding wether to buy. With PES(and really anything in life) the less you expect from something, the less chance there is of being disappointed.
gee you really have had your heart broken mate. don't forget, you get what you wish for, low expectations less dissapointment and low demand. demand the best and dont stop until you have got it!
I think Janus, Shaun and Rpro each raise good points here: just how crucial to this titles success is online playability? I've never played Fifa but I've heard that 10 vs 10 is near seamless - unthinkable in PES.
For me online playability is a major part of my enjoyment of the game, and something that has frustrated and infuriated me in equal measure. But as Shaun says, the reported improvements made to the core game already suggest this version has the most genuine steps forward a PES game has seen since the series began. Konami could yet drop the ball if online continues to be a joke, and it would be a real shame if something so simple should spoil all the positives that look to be taking place. Here's hoping the dedicated online team Konami have put in place this year pull it out the bag, cos it's looking like the rest of the team are setting them up for the perfect finish. Or glaring miss...?
Janus909
18-08-2009, 09:44
gee you really have had your heart broken mate. don't forget, you get what you wish for, low expectations less dissapointment and low demand. demand the best and dont stop until you have got it!
ha......^^.....buy the game :) im gonna buy it regardless, there is simply no alternative! looking forward to Gamescom now to see some real presentations of the game!
Janus909
18-08-2009, 09:49
minenow, just had a thought, would be funny if further big news from Konami is that online will feature 10 v 10 online.........!
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I laughed when I heard it the first time round!
chinaman
18-08-2009, 10:26
I bet dave ruttler of ea feels like the bottom of his world has fallen out.
Such a fanboy.
Why can't you hope for 2 great football games?
the news is good, no doubt about that. still feels a bit late though, maybe 3 years late! anyways i will be buying both games, i played a ton of master league but got bored as per usually when all my average players turned into 95+ stars making the league too easy. then i picked FIFA up for £25 and played alot of that, i mainly liked it because the passing moves you could put together felt a lot more fluent and real, but the finishing meant every goal ended up very similar.
any news as to if you can switch clubs in the ML?i think that is desperately needed!
FIORE_FAN
18-08-2009, 10:35
The mood is good!!! ;o)
But as I've stated in another thread: Now I've heard "all" I needed/wanted to hear. Now it's up the game to prove itself - meaning that the demo will let me know just how good this game is.
All the adjustments sound awsome. The new player cards combined with the tactical sliders might just be a stroke of genius for the more simulation'ish gameplay we all want back in the series!!! The sliders alone wouldn't do the job (as in FIFA 09) - but with the player cards, where the real-life player charactheristics (while in control of cpu) should shine through, this might turn out to be what will really seperate the simulation feel from the arcade feel. Personally I love the thought of that!
But I'll also admit that I bought FIFA last year instead of PES - and I've really fallen for the way, that EA has been great at making all the small details shine through. (Especially all the player animations in different situations). I'm afraid I'm going to miss that in this years PES.
But FIFA's biggest fault is that it lacks player individuallity sooo much. If they nailed that part of the game, then I think a lot of people would have huge difficulties choosing a game this year - 'cause FIFA really has stepped up.
But the combination of great player individuality and the more simulation'ish gameplay should settle it for me! If the good old feel of PES is back, with almost no two goals look or feel alike, then it might just turn out be the greatest PES ever. But let's wait for the demo! ;o)
FIORE_FAN
18-08-2009, 10:40
It's not to turn this thread into a PES vs. FIFA. But I just thought that now that we've seen what PES has up it's sleeve, I just wanted to add the latest news about what FIFA has in its sleeve this year. Sounds good too! Great if we'll have two good games this year, as I'm personally no fanboy of either game (although I was a fanboy of PES from all the way back since ISS Pro Evo 'till PES08...) :o)
Anyways! Here's a resumé on what FIFA has in store right now:
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EDIT: Guys, the 360 dribbling is only when NOT USING SPRINT at the moment, found this out a few days ago, its something that EA might work on for this year, but i have to tell you guys now.
FSB's chris davies summary on yesterdays play test
"It’s just such a polished game. That’s the main selling point - all the old niggles have gone and when you factor in the ball physics you get all the passion that some people might say has been missing. Scorching goals, fingertip saves and more. Some stuff I forgot to mention; we played as lower league Spanish teams (which were present, no English ones) and WOW. They were done properly. Different game. Also, when you get a good player, you can murder the opposition with your movement. As Barca Eto’o was a nightmare for the opposition BUT not to the point where it feels like an exploit. That’s one of the strongest feelings I got from today; everything you see is BELIEVABLE.
Players can knock you off the ball, but only players who would be capable, and only in the right situation. It all looks so real. There was never an instance where I said ‘that’s ridiculous’ - things only ever happened when appropriate. That’s the biggest change by far.
Also, we tried assisted for a laugh, and get this - they’ve made it harder. Assisted shots miss the target most of the time! Result! Can you ping-pong passes? Well some have said you can’t - in my experience you can, BUT it’s the defenders who have improved. After a few pings around the field a defender (always better positioned by the way) will stick a foot out and knock it away. Speaking of which you get some wicked deflections, and some amazing reflex saves.
Right, that’s DEFINITELY my last update of the day. Thanks for reading!"
Another one here from The official fifa forum.
Ok before I start just a few things about what I can talk about and what I experienced at the event so you’re all up to date.
-I only played the 6 week old build
-We played on the XBOX360 version only
-I can only talk about gameplay, no leagues, stats, modes etc
-The demo build was there but I can’t comment on it
Now on to the good stuff
Game Speed
A big issue for a lot of people is game speed and for me on the build we played it was perfect. The first few matches I played were on the “Normal” setting and it felt great. There was time in midfield to pass and build up play, I could slow the game down if I wanted and speed it up for incisive break a ways. Me and Tom then tried out the “Slow” setting. I didn’t like this as much it felt a little too slow for me personally but was still much better than 09. But for those who like it really slow you’ll have no issues this year.
Weather
If the weather was poor in Fifa09 then the weather in Fifa10 is nothing short of spectacular. For each stadium you can now choose between Day, Night and Overcast You can also change the conditions to either Dry, Rainy or Snowy!! Now where do I start with snow? It’s FANTASTIC, the pitch is frozen, snow is clearly falling from all camera angles and you can see the players breath it’s honestly brilliant. But Rainy is quite brilliant also, you see splash puddles from players feet when they run and slide tackle and (you’ll love this) me and Tom set a match to Rainy and kicked off, but it wasn’t raining?? We thought “oh a glitch perhaps?” but 30 mins in it bucketed down with rain..........stunned silence!
360 Dribbling
I personally loved 360 dribbling it doesn’t smash you in the face and say “here I am look at me!” It just blends with the whole game to the point where you don’t even notice it anymore. Everything is so much more fluid now and players really feel like they move and react naturally. Now sprinting with 360 some are worried about but don’t! It’s not full 360 when you sprint that’s correct but it’s not 8 directional either I’d say it’s about 16 directions. But it works really well because at full speed no one can run in circles or dance around in real life anyway. When sprinting at top speed you have to bend your runs away from the defender gradually not in sharp drastic movements, it feels really nice.
Skilled Dribble
It’s probably my favourite new element from the play test. Dive in at your peril guys because Messi and Co will tear you apart. You can jink your runs, cut inside, take on the full back and actually beat a man which is pretty much unheard of in 09. But that’s not to say it’s an all powerful super button, if you don’t time it right or dally on the ball the defenders will swallow you up no problem. It’s going to be a real art to master this year when using it yourself and trying to defend agaisnt it. I also found this useful with players like Xavi and Iniesta to create space in midfield, the small players will not be overlooked this year for sure.
Shooting
Once again a huge improvement from 09, the shooting is much heavier now and you can really drive the ball at goal rather than tapping shoot and it going into row Z. For instance I scored a cracking goal with Werder Bremen where I drilled a shot from 20 yards in to the bottom corner of the net. Volleys are also much better Mills scored a great goal with Carew where he chested down in the box and smashed a volley in. Overall shooting is great!
Player Animations
The player animations are great this year, there are so many more you notice as you play multiple games of Fifa10, the way the players sprint, change direction, jump, fall, slide are all great and their off the ball in game animations are even better. Example! I was Italy and cut in from the left and curled a shot towards the far post which clipped the edge of the post and went out for a goal kick. Di Natale (in game) drops to his knees looks the heavens and prays!...........Open mouths all round!
Jockeying/Jostling
This year instead of one default jockey animation there are now about 3 or 4 I noticed, it all depends on the defenders angle and position to how they jockey. And you must time your tackles now, no more holding pressure and the AI tackling for you. In fact after 3 or 4 games I noticed I was barley using pressure as it was pretty much in-affective. The jostling is great this year when players collide it’s really realistic, you no longer feel cheated when someone shoves you off the ball as it entirely depends on the individual situation as to who wins possession. Also some of the tackles are brutal, there were a few incidents where you wince at the ferocity the players show, when they go through someone boy do they go through someone It looks and feels great though and the refereeing is infinitely more clever and responsive this year.
Right that’s it hope you enjoyed it feel free to ask any gameplay related questions. Remember this was the 6 week old build we played and is not representative of the Demo that will be in Cologne!
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The above has been copy-pasted from the "other games" section under FIFA10
Perfectstrik
18-08-2009, 11:28
Such a fanboy.
Why can't you hope for 2 great football games?
Im not a fanboy,eas fifa games just dont do it for me plus i personally feel that fifa09 was overated.
As for dave ruttler he just thought he had trumped konami this year with fifas 360 dribbling.
Remember ea have only had one fairly descent game fifa09 that still was riddled with bugs had ragdoll players,planet no gravity physics,predictable ai,floatie ball etc.
While pes09 was pretty unfinished its still a better game then fifa09....sorry bud but eas fifa games still dont feel right and that ea branding just makes me want to puke.Twenty years ive been playing football games and only once in twenty years have ea produced a half descent game and that was last year.
chinaman
18-08-2009, 11:32
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRmW6n62qcM
i think pes fans will be in a for a pleasant surprise. This is all in game footage edited into a sequence.
^Man, it's just not gameplay. It's the best parts of the gameplay edited together. That's not good enough to decide which game.
Fifa 09 was better than pes 09 for me, but it's far from realistic ( responsivness, individuality, overrating speed because it's the only way to get rid of defenders.. etc...)
But from the trailers, it looked better.
So you just cannot decide on the trailers. You need to play it.
Perfectstrik
18-08-2009, 11:47
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRmW6n62qcM
i think pes fans will be in a for a pleasant surprise. This is all in game footage edited into a sequence.
nothing special still seems planet no gravity and very floatie plus pes2010 looks better and more organic..
chinaman
18-08-2009, 11:49
perfectstrik, how can you say pes 2010 looks more organic or better when there hasn't been a proper video like the above out yet.
EA have always had good trailers but those are close ups, with their best animation crammed into the trailer. need to see gameplay in wide view, and i agree ball physics look a bit sketchy
Rob21C_UK
18-08-2009, 13:20
Once Gamescon is on from Tomorrow there will be plenty of gamplay videos on Youtube from both PES and FIFA. Then we can make our judgements.
On topic, my mood is about 7/10 atm from 5/10 last week.
^so videos will be released tommorrow? Great. :)
Rob21C_UK
18-08-2009, 17:06
^ Gamescon starts tomorrow, so I'm sure some will get recorded tomorrow and the remaining days of the show. Depends how quickly they get posted up on YT.
proevofan88
18-08-2009, 19:25
Top 10 football franchises according to goal.com hehe
http://goal.com/en-us/news/114/mexico/2009/08/18/1447139/top-10-football-computer-games-of-all-time
Rob21C_UK
18-08-2009, 19:34
^Without reading: PES, ISS, FIFA, Actua, Kick Off and SWOS.
After reading: Didn't think about manager games, lol. Can remember Microprose soccer, wasn't too shabby like and also other classic games of note I remember are Emlyn Hughes International Soccer and Matchday I & II on the Spectrum and C64.
^Without reading: PES, ISS, FIFA, Actua, Kick Off and SWOS.
After reading: Didn't think about manager games, lol. Can remember Microprose soccer, wasn't too shabby like and also other classic games of note I remember are Emlyn Hughes International Soccer and Matchday I & II on the Spectrum and C64.
Damn pleased to not see Gazza's soccer with it's dreadful perspective changes in that list!
Rob21C_UK
18-08-2009, 20:02
Damn pleased to not see Gazza's soccer with it's dreadful perspective changes in that list!
There have been plenty of turkeys over the years ;)
Didn't know where to post, but here's the list of Boots;
Adidas Predator Swerve X-TRX SG White
Adidas Predator Swerve X-TRX SG Black
F50 Tunit Blue
Adidas Adipure Black
Nike CTR360 Maestri FG Black/Red
Mecurial Vapor Superfly Orion Blue
T90 Laser Silver/Black/Red
Tiempo Legend FG White/ Blue
Puma V1.08 White/Blue
Puma V-konstruct III White/Blue
Umbro Speciali Black
And 13 slots of random boots. Maybe More boots in the final version.
Die Hard Pes Fan
18-08-2009, 23:45
Didn't know where to post, but here's the list of Boots;
Adidas Predator Swerve X-TRX SG White
Adidas Predator Swerve X-TRX SG Black
F50 Tunit Blue
Adidas Adipure Black
Nike CTR360 Maestri FG Black/Red
Mecurial Vapor Superfly Orion Blue
T90 Laser Silver/Black/Red
Tiempo Legend FG White/ Blue
Puma V1.08 White/Blue
Puma V-konstruct III White/Blue
Umbro Speciali Black
And 13 slots of random boots. Maybe More boots in the final version.
Cheers mate, I have been waiting for a boot list for ages lol, cheers again mate.
Ps Is there any pics of the boots, that you could put down, please.
Nice boot list. I hope the boot editor is good.
Die Hard Pes Fan
19-08-2009, 12:29
Nice boot list. I hope the boot editor is good.
Apparantly there is no boot editor, winningelevenblog.com
simufreak
19-08-2009, 17:14
Do you guys still think PES 10 will be the "return of the king"?:no:
sadly, the videos revealed Konami has a long way to go. Better graphics, but physics are questionable and the movements are still robotic. Gameplay wise, it is still PES 09ish. Very disapointing.
Edit options are sorely lacking too. No snow? No low socks? No neck warmers? No kits getting wet or pitches muddied? no more options for kits?
No more info from the press conference?? wtf????
pes 10 was hyped up like crazy by those idiots at WENB, and now they look very very silly. Fifa 10 meanwhile is eerily getting closer and closer to the real game except they don't have Holland...
Die Hard Pes Fan
19-08-2009, 17:17
Do you guys still think PES 10 will be the "return of the king"?:no:
sadly, the videos revealed Konami has a long way to go. Better graphics, but physics are questionable and the movements are still robotic. Gameplay wise, it is still PES 09ish. Very disapointing.
Edit options are sorely lacking too. No snow? No low socks? No neck warmers? No kits getting wet or pitches muddied? no more options for kits?
No more info from the press conference?? wtf????
pes 10 was hyped up like crazy by those idiots at WENB, and now they look very very silly. Fifa 10 meanwhile is eerily getting closer and closer to the real game except they don't have Holland...
I dont think it will but as I said earlier (I think in another thread), that it wil be a stepping stone/ building block whatever you choose, for future PES'S so dont expect a megatron game (also as I said earlier).
StringerBell
19-08-2009, 17:46
Do you guys still think PES 10 will be the "return of the king"?:no:
sadly, the videos revealed Konami has a long way to go. Better graphics, but physics are questionable and the movements are still robotic. Gameplay wise, it is still PES 09ish. Very disapointing.
Edit options are sorely lacking too. No snow? No low socks? No neck warmers? No kits getting wet or pitches muddied? no more options for kits?
No more info from the press conference?? wtf????
pes 10 was hyped up like crazy by those idiots at WENB, and now they look very very silly. Fifa 10 meanwhile is eerily getting closer and closer to the real game except they don't have Holland...
Neck warmers and low socks are moot points. The gameplays videos look fantastic, ML has been given an overhaul and you havent played the game yet to compare it to 2009. I think Konami have done a lot to improve this years version from 2009. From what I've read from reports the edit mode is supposed to be a step up from 2009 as well. Home made kits are supposed to stand up to the licensed ones. In fact the 2009 edit mode is great in my opinion believe me I've created teams and hundreds of players thanks to the edit mode.
Die Hard Pes Fan
19-08-2009, 17:50
Neck warmers and low socks are moot points. The gameplays videos look fantastic, ML has been given an overhaul and you havent played the game yet to compare it to 2009. I think Konami have done a lot to improve this years version from 2009. From what I've read from reports the edit mode is supposed to be a step up from 2009 as well. Home made kits are supposed to stand up to the licensed ones. In fact the 2009 edit mode is great in my opinion believe me I've created teams and hundreds of players thanks to the edit mode.
Edit mode in 09 was awesome, and I am delighted that it is ameant to been even better.
^True. And please to all of you, the difference between pes 09 first videos and these is pretty notable. But final judgement will be when the demo is released or when we play the full game.
sgmullins
23-08-2009, 21:51
Nothing matters unless online play works properly. I buy this game every year and it sits on my shelf collecting dust. I only have one friend thats decent enough to play against locally. I hate playing against the computer I want to beat real people.
I dont care about anything else but online play. If the dont fix it this year soccer games are dead to me. They have lost so many fans to fifa for this reason. I dont even remeber how to play this game. 3 years it has been since i played a decent online match.
The longer this goes on the closer we get to the end of pro evo.To be honest, the majority of games that you do win on fifa 09 online, the other player instantly quits so you don't get the win anyway.
The_Difman
24-08-2009, 15:53
Please not another FIFA vs PES thread
iosonocanadese
25-08-2009, 14:58
To be honest, I'll be happy with PES 2010 IF...
a) 360 degree control works properly and allows me to actually play through balls, long aerial balls and ground passes exactly where I want them.
b) The graphics look like they do in the Gamescom preview, in which they're rather great-looking.
c) The passing isn't as shitty as it was in PES '09, which almost ruins the game.
d) Players don't have so much trouble controlling the ball and it's not extremely hard to take the ball away from opposition players.
e) Animations are sorted out and player's don't move so robotically and can't make a 90 degree turn on a dime.
That's about it.
That’s a good compilation in my opinion iosonocanadese, I definitely agree with your points.
To be honest, I'll be happy with PES 2010 IF...
a) 360 degree control works properly and allows me to actually play through balls, long aerial balls and ground passes exactly where I want them.
b) The graphics look like they do in the Gamescom preview, in which they're rather great-looking.
c) The passing isn't as shitty as it was in PES '09, which almost ruins the game.
d) Players don't have so much trouble controlling the ball and it's not extremely hard to take the ball away from opposition players.
e) Animations are sorted out and player's don't move so robotically and can't make a 90 degree turn on a dime.
That's about it.
Pretty much sums it all. I agree with you.:)
iosonocanadese
25-08-2009, 16:27
We're glad you approve. :D PES '09 just feels un-finished in some areas. It feels like what you'd expect a Gamescom build to be for instance... lol
Chuffed to bits pes2010 will put konami back on the map with fluid player control and a much needed dimension to the gameplay.
I bet dave ruttler of ea feels like the bottom of his world has fallen out.
No doubt about it pes09 was more enjoyable then fifa09 and now with 360 movement and the tactics slider and card system pes2010 will be mind blowing!!!!!!
The only thing is the endless wait for release which cant come soon enough....hopefully its finished and they go head to head with fifa on the 2 of october...
Dude, you keep on spilling little bits of info every now and then... How is it that you can say this -but- not say who you work for?? Or at least give the slighest confirmation that what you're saying is true.
Anyways,
I'm not saying I believe you... But I do think the animations and responsiveness of the game will be much better/realistic, in the final build. It just doesn't makes sense that we have great-looking Graphics but average Animations.
I mean, Konami know Animations are the poorest aspect of PES09, plus the Graphics were/are not next-gen. So in PES09, both graphics and animations are more or less of the same level.
I'm expecting the same with PES10, animations that are on-par with the next-gen graphics that we've seen at Gamescom.
iosonocanadese
25-08-2009, 19:53
I agree with you, it'd be stupid to have mind-blowing (or as Russell Peters would say, mind-blasting :D) graphics like the ones showcased in screenshots and the Gamescon build and have animations that let it way down. I'm also waiting for some sort of hint from Perfectstrik, the publication he writes for, how and when he got the '95%' build, anything. Surely the name of the magazine he writes for isn't sensitive info...?
So Gamescom is over and what have I learnt? Alot less than I'd hoped for when I started this thread... I really was hoping Konami to come out all guns blazing at Gamescom but once again we're reduced to scraping around for videos that show us little to no evidence of the fabled 360 movement, improved animations or anything else that justifies the belief/hope that this will be the next gen PES title we're all looking for. It does look pretty though... BAH! Photo-realism does not a great game make. At least the AI looks to have been improved...:unsure:
So me bubble is deflated, if not yet burst. I'm clinging to the slim hope that the game will show it's true colours once the demo is released, because once that happens there really is nowhere left to hide.
I don't want to start yet another Fifa vs Pes flame war (sshh Tech-Skill...) but one thing that has interested me about Fifa is the ability to customise set pieces. Has this featured before? With all the hype surrounding 360 movement this is something Konami have not alluded to at all. I'd really like to see something like this in PES, and as long as they're not bullet-proof (ie not guaranteed to score everytime as that would be boring) should we not be lobbying for this to be included in future titles? With all Seabass' exhortations of tactics and strategy, surely this is must?
PES 4eva
26-08-2009, 12:08
does any1 have the inside info on the demo release
The_Difman
26-08-2009, 12:34
does any1 have the inside info on the demo release
Yes
muzza798
26-08-2009, 15:54
I think the game looks decent enough but i can seriously see myself trading it in probably 2 months down the line to get a pre-owned Fifa. With Fifa 2010 i think i'd probably keep it for a year but with pes 2010 i cant see past christmas tbh.
The thing i noticed aswell in the videos is that the movement is fucked up. I saw a corner coming at Riena and 7 players moved about 10 yeards in 0.1 seconds and ran into the goal/net ffs. iT was soooo unrelistic and i think the gameplay still hasnt been utilized.
Its kinda hard to tell how good it is because they only seem to let complete cretons with parkinsons disease play this game and upload videos. No offence anyone.
But if we look at the game from the bright side;
The defending looks improved
Defenders close down better
AI is better
Harder
Individuality is improved greatly
I think that those are clear improvements from the videos shown so far. But final judgement will be when we play the game.
iamcanadianeh
26-08-2009, 16:42
I agree with you, it'd be stupid to have mind-blowing (or as Russell Peters would say, mind-blasting :D) graphics like the ones showcased in screenshots and the Gamescon build and have animations that let it way down.
IMO animation is much harder to get right.
Look at this video from 5:10 onwards! I am starting to believe again! Does the keeper look good here or what!?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiMLxdKJ1Gw&feature=channel
It would take a fifa keeper too long to get up and make the 2nd save!!! Go Seabass!
^Excactly. The keepers are looking good this year.
Oh and btw, I do not mind keeper mistakes. In reality even Buffon makes mistakes.
PES 4eva
27-08-2009, 07:15
Yes
and... whens the exact release date of this demo?
PES 4eva
27-08-2009, 07:20
^Excactly. The keepers are looking good this year.
Oh and btw, I do not mind keeper mistakes. In reality even Buffon makes mistakes.
i hope you dont mean " i don't mind kepper mistakes" as in when theres a back pass to the keeper, instead of passing to a defender or booting it foward (like a human) they decide to slide tackle the ball and then its either an own goal or the nearest opposing attacker latches onto it and scores :realmad:
sorry mods/admins for double posting
Sabatasso
27-08-2009, 09:25
Nothing matters unless online play works properly.
Online play is uninteresting in my opinion, a footy game should have enough entertainement as a stand alone single player game and online exhibition matches interest me where the sun don't shine, honestly.
It is at best a nice addition, but should only be focused on after everything else is 95% (or more) perfect.
Sabatasso
27-08-2009, 09:33
But if we look at the game from the bright side;
The defending looks improved
Defenders close down better
AI is better
Harder
Individuality is improved greatly
I think that those are clear improvements from the videos shown so far. But final judgement will be when we play the game.
So true, I'm happy as long as it's a step up from PES2009, wich I still find annoyingly entertaining despite it's flaws.
PES6 was a incredible game when it came, PES2009 was not, but it's still a step up from the previous versions in my opinion.
So if 2010 is better than 2009 overall, then I am happy.
Most of all I want to see a vastly improved Become a Legend, wich is the aspect of the game I enjoy the most, I have not played a single Master League game on pes2009 yet and I'mnot going to!
cheers guys, and good luck with 2010!
Die Hard Pes Fan
27-08-2009, 12:04
So true, I'm happy as long as it's a step up from PES2009, wich I still find annoyingly entertaining despite it's flaws.
PES6 was a incredible game when it came, PES2009 was not, but it's still a step up from the previous versions in my opinion.
So if 2010 is better than 2009 overall, then I am happy.
Most of all I want to see a vastly improved Become a Legend, wich is the aspect of the game I enjoy the most, I have not played a single Master League game on pes2009 yet and I'mnot going to!
cheers guys, and good luck with 2010!
I dont think Become A Legend has improved with things, maybe I am wrong but I remember seeint it somewhere.
@shaun7
Excactly. The keepers are looking good this year.
Oh and btw, I do not mind keeper mistakes. In reality even Buffon makes mistakes.
I think its bad that they make mistakes, yes they do in real life but the simple shots that they palm right in to your strikers path, I dont know how much goals I scored because of this, yes I scored but it annoyed me that they drop easy shots.
^That should be lessend in pes 2010 for sure. But still every keeper sometimes does it.
Look at Frey yesterday. He punched the ball several times when he could have caught it easily (considering his skill).
and... whens the exact release date of this demo?
i thought you had insider info?
Have a look at the link below:
http://winningelevenblog.com/blog/psm3-preview-latest-pes-2010-code/
Although the same magazine also said this!
Pro Evolution Soccer 2009: 88%
Sterling footy action but the lack of new ideas is starting to grate.
FIFA 09: 83%
The best FIFA yet, but EA are still a few goals short of the title.
What do we believe?
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