The GAMESCOM Thread

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Watch Gamescom here:http://www.ea.com/blogs/gamescom

You can watch it on youtube for FIFA 10: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1ltzpZ-Sww

[FIORE_FAN]

Just a suggestion:
How about we use this thread to throw in all the links, news, screens, videos etc. of both PES10 and FIFA10 for comparison from Gamescom?
Then use another thread for discussing and only use this one here for all the the above mentioned.
It would make it so much easier to overlook - now that we'll potentially get bombarded with news etc. - to keep it all i one "small" thread without responses but just links, vids etc.

Then if you've been away for some hours or a day, you would just be able to jump into this thread and find all the news, without having to read through hundreds of posts about which game is the better and so forth...

Anyway - just a proposal. ;o)

[red]

Virtual Pro.........I hope they have done similar in Legends

[FIORE_FAN]

Just did a google on Virtual Pro, since I didn't know what you meant.
FIFAs new kind of "Be a Pro"-mode apparently:
http://www.eafootballworld.com/en_GB/news/FIFA_10_Virtual_Pro

Just stumbled over these PES news. Not the newest of news - but they mention something about a power gauge regarding team formation that I personally hadn't heard of before:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/konami-promises-big-with-pes-2010

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Affraid of getting banned for doubbleposting (again!!?!?)
FIRST GAMEPLAY VIDEO FROM GAMESCOM!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzdBIIaaYNw

[Tech_Skill]

If you have, mods please kill this thread


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If not, discuss.

[Alolo91]

Here is 2 more:

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[FIORE_FAN]

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[byondthought]

Hey Tech_Skill.....


Hmm, TBH its not looking too good to get me back on board, i'll just have to wait for the demo....

Is there a Jockey button..?????

[Janus909]

this has already been posted tech.......anyhow, whilst im here, looks good to me, original gameplay seems to be in tact, its perhaps looks a little bit quicker than i expected but im happy with that. Havent spotted too many new animations yet? Watching a video is great but until the demos comes out ill reserve my full judgement!

ha, just spotted the linesman in game...unless im going mad, there wasnt one in 09 was there? (apart from when given offside)

[Janus909]

(tried to delete this didnt know how, plus wasnt even aware of this double post rule)

[Tech_Skill]

Hey Tech_Skill.....


Hmm, TBH its not looking too good to get me back on board, i'll just have to wait for the demo....

Is there a Jockey button..?????

Yes mate!

bout time.

No jockey button mate, check out the fifa10 thread tho, will see in you there.
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Damn, already posted eh?

But tell me what you think of it though, im about to watch it now.

Come on, talk to tech people.

[Rob21C_UK]

It looks like either the guys playing in those videos do nothing but sprint everywhere and sprinting is 8-way, or it is the X-360 version and they aren't using the Analogue Stick.

Seems to be lot of 8-way movement in those vids but I have seen some 360º flashes like in the original video with the musical intro around 1:15 where the French player is running into the box but is offside.

Waiting for a video of someone who can play the game properly without sprinting everywhere ;)

[Alolo91]

http://kotaku.com/5340579/konamis-gamescom-presser-liveblog

[Hunter]

The first video which is being branded about fills me with hope to be honest, the next two videos are barely visible so I won't comment on them. I'll be merging all these threads into one big Gamescom thread I think and we'll keep all the new videos in the first post as well so people new to the site can immediately see everything. Here's what I have just said regarding the first video though in the other thread which sums my thoughts up nicely at the moment:

"Looks excellent to be honest. Graphically very impressive and it looks a hell of a lot more fluent and free flowing with the new 360 degree movement system.

You can see there is new slide tackling animation as well with a last ditch slide in the box winning the ball, it looked wonderful. Another plus point is the hit detection for collisions looks up to scratch as well, as around the 2:55 mark, two French players collide with each other and react accordingly.

Anyone else notice the nets too? From what I could notice, they looked to be a completely different shape in the sense that they weren't like a box shape, the back sloped down a bit - quite like an old school style of net, and in the video, the net colour looks blue, possibly representing France?"

[FIORE_FAN]

Having played FIFA this year, I personally really miss the justling-animations when batteling for the ball though... Just makes it seem so much more life-like.
Apart from that I think it looks ok! I'm not blasted away by it, but keeping in mind all the new additions with player cards and all, then when we get two gamers who can actually play the game without sprinting all the time, we just might be in for a treat!

[Hunter]

Having played FIFA this year, I personally really miss the justling-animations when batteling for the ball though... Just makes it seem so much more life-like.
Apart from that I think it looks ok! I'm not blasted away by it, but keeping in mind all the new additions with player cards and all, then when we get two gamers who can actually play the game without sprinting all the time, we just might be in for a treat!

Yeah definitely, you've brought up a good point there, both these players in the first video, but especially the guy controlling Germany is shockingly bad at the game. They really aren't doing it justice to be honest, but no doubt plenty more videos will be released in the coming days of skilful players that might make our mouths water (hopefully). :)

[shaun7]

^True, the players playing it aren't that good.
From the videos, the defending and the AI are clearly much better. Defenders close down better and the game is not attack minded. Also the AI seems much harder to pass by and they are more intelligent. It reminded me of pes 6 to be honest. The animations are better but I cannot say for sure because the quality and frame rate of those videos isn't good enough. I won't comment on the pace until I see a proper video nto a video taken with some camera because that causes framerate problems so the pace will vary.

[Rob21C_UK]

ha, just spotted the linesman in game...unless im going mad, there wasnt one in 09 was there? (apart from when given offside)

You're going mad ;) In game Linesmen were introduced in PES2008.

[byondthought]

^True, the players playing it aren't that good.

Thats the biggest problem with Football computer games 65%+ of the people that play them are retarded and dont undertsand how football is played...

[Tech_Skill]

Watching one of the vids now............


Not impressed, where's the 360 gone?, it still looks rigid

And check out those running animations........

Still looks like one man can take on whole teams you know.

What the fuck???

[byondthought]

Watching one of the vids now............


Not impressed, where's the 360 gone?, it still looks rigid

And check out those running animations........

Still looks like one man can take on whole teams you know.

What the fuck???

yup i agree, its more baby steps by the looks.....


Better than 09 no doubt but just dont seem to be enough....

[Alolo91]

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[Perfectstrik]

The first video which is being branded about fills me with hope to be honest, the next two videos are barely visible so I won't comment on them. I'll be merging all these threads into one big Gamescom thread I think and we'll keep all the new videos in the first post as well so people new to the site can immediately see everything. Here's what I have just said regarding the first video though in the other thread which sums my thoughts up nicely at the moment:

"Looks excellent to be honest. Graphically very impressive and it looks a hell of a lot more fluent and free flowing with the new 360 degree movement system.

You can see there is new slide tackling animation as well with a last ditch slide in the box winning the ball, it looked wonderful. Another plus point is the hit detection for collisions looks up to scratch as well, as around the 2:55 mark, two French players collide with each other and react accordingly.

Anyone else notice the nets too? From what I could notice, they looked to be a completely different shape in the sense that they weren't like a box shape, the back sloped down a bit - quite like an old school style of net, and in the video, the net colour looks blue, possibly representing France?"

agreed it looks very special especially the added curl on the long pass and the way players move to recieve the through ball.Also notice the greater freedom in directional passing.

360 movement is something you feel while playing its not always something mega noticable while watching.

Massive improvement to the fluidity and animation though plus its only 80% so theres tweaking still to be done.

[Rob21C_UK]

Watching one of the vids now............


Not impressed, where's the 360 gone?, it still looks rigid

And check out those running animations........

Still looks like one man can take on whole teams you know.

What the fuck???

The sprinting turning circle is exactly like PES2009 but sprinting shouldn't be 360º anyway. Still waiting to see someone actually play the game properly and only sprint when they're in space.

[Tech_Skill]

yup i agree, its more baby steps by the looks.....


Better than 09 no doubt but just dont seem to be enough....

You know what, didnt even realise these vids were, till i saw the fifa forum guys pissing themselves at this shit, so took a look.

That 360 movement doesnt look right to me, looks fucking real rigid.

Passing animations might be better, think tackling animations might have improved as well.

They've crammed that 360 in you know, doesnt look right to me so far, still rigid.

Looks very much like an updated pes 2009.

[byondthought]

You know what, didnt even realise these vids were, till i saw the fifa forum guys pissing themselves at this shit, so took a look.

That 360 movement doesnt look right to me, looks fucking real rigid.

Passing animations might be better, think tackling animations might have improved as well.

They've crammed that 360 in you know, doesnt look right to me so far, still rigid.

Looks very much like an updated pes 2009.

yup, seems like robots again...

its the same as always improved, but nothing ground breaking...

After all the hype bout animations they are a huge let down....

A Jockey button is a must for realism for me now, it just dosnt seem to play like a real game without it...

i'll still give the demo a good go, but i just cant see it being great again(this year)...

[chinaman]

its a polished turd.

they need to start from scratch, new animations, new ball physics and new everything.

Graphics are the only standout.

[Tech_Skill]

yup, seems like robots again...

its the same as always improved, but nothing ground breaking...

After all the hype bout animations they are a huge let down....

A Jockey button is a must for realism for me now, it just dosnt seem to play like a real game without it...

i'll still give the demo a good go, but i just cant see it being great again(this year)...

Ill try to take a more in depth look, but talking about the gameplay itself, im actually shocked after seeing that video.

Konami actually had me thinking this was gonna be the game, i always thought fifa would be better this year, but a few days ago I though they had seriously closed the gap.

Some of these vids doesnt look miles away from the 50% build people were slating.

[Alolo91]

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[byondthought]

Ill try to take a more in depth look, but talking about the gameplay itself, im actually shocked after seeing that video.

Konami actually had me thinking this was gonna be the game, i always thought fifa would be better this year, but a few days ago I though they had seriously closed the gap.

Some of these vids doesnt look miles away from the 50% build people were slating.

I was shocked too, i really thought it would look better.. :shocking:

[Tech_Skill]

I was shocked too, i really thought it would look better.. :shocking:

Look, its happening again, talk about builds, everytime pes is under par, they start using builds as an excuses, its getting so tiring

From pesfan

“I’ll make a few comments regarding what your seeing.

This is a much cut down version of the game with only 4 teams and lots of other features missing, a GC custom demo if you like.
its showing at a pace far faster than the code we have…make of that what you will.
The game we have here looks better than that obviously the hideous shaky cams aren’t helping, hopefully we will get a better video soon.”

What a joke, when is someone gonna stop lying and just say

"This is what you are getting this year"

[Hunter]

Look, its happening again, talk about builds, everytime pes is under par, they start using builds as an excuses, its getting so tiring

From pesfan

“I’ll make a few comments regarding what your seeing.

This is a much cut down version of the game with only 4 teams and lots of other features missing, a GC custom demo if you like.
its showing at a pace far faster than the code we have…make of that what you will.
The game we have here looks better than that obviously the hideous shaky cams aren’t helping, hopefully we will get a better video soon.”

What a joke, when is someone gonna stop lying and just say

"This is what you are getting this year"

Maybe they're being honest? We've already seen a few different builds this year, one of which didn't even have the 360 degree movement in. So it's completely feasible that there is a few different demos knocking about. Either way, the video of the gameplay in the first post looks decent to me so I don't mind.

[byondthought]

Look, its happening again, talk about builds, everytime pes is under par, they start using builds as an excuses, its getting so tiring

From pesfan

“I’ll make a few comments regarding what your seeing.

This is a much cut down version of the game with only 4 teams and lots of other features missing, a GC custom demo if you like.
its showing at a pace far faster than the code we have…make of that what you will.
The game we have here looks better than that obviously the hideous shaky cams aren’t helping, hopefully we will get a better video soon.”

What a joke, when is someone gonna stop lying and just say

"This is what you are getting this year"

LOL, dont worry Pes2011 will be the the best game ever hehe and round and round we go....

It does look better than 09 and im sure it will play better too...

I just think there wasting money on player faces that you only see in cut scenes really and animations that dont look much improved.. they have had the same producers they have had for years, maybe the well has run dry..!!!

TBH i think they need to make a huge investment and bring in some European developers....

[Tech_Skill]

Maybe they're being honest? We've already seen a few different builds this year, one of which didn't even have the 360 degree movement in. So it's completely feasible that there is a few different demos knocking about. Either way, the video of the gameplay in the first post looks decent to me so I don't mind.

I cant lie, ive seen 2 vids now....

I cant pretend this looks like an amazing step forward, just cant do it.

Fair enough, im sure the user content will be real nice.

But in terms of actual gameplay, this doesnt cut it for me.

On the net right now, the response isnt great, particulary on youtube. (thats being nice too)

After the "gamescom is gonna be amazing" stuff, this is isnt good enough

How fucking stupid do WENB look right now.......

Apparently they were "stunnned in slilence" when they heard the gamescom news...fucking el, mate, when i saw that video expecting great things, i felt like stone cold steve austin gave me a stunner.

Only thing good to come out of this is

1) Evo web for saying a big fuck you and breaking NDA so people who buy this shit didnt have to salivate anymore for the game whilst wenb and konami bullshit people into making them think its incredible.

2) Pesgaming for

a) doing an honest playtest which after seeing this vid, is the only credible one about ive seen.

b) reporting facts, not bullshit.

[Hunter]

when i saw that video expecting great things, i felt like stone cold steve austin gave me a stunner.

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You can't be expecting a good response on YouTube, that's even more silly than the comments on their site. I'm genuinely surprised it hasn't already escalated into a mass racist argument.

Personally, I think we have to play the game to really feel the difference, and for me, the game looks solid, I've always been an optimist so that will no doubt contribute towards my opinions. I even enjoyed PES 2009, so I'll feel in heaven with PES 2010 by the looks of things. "If" online is completely fixed, and is similar to PES6's quality, then I'll be playing it all year round.

[john4]

meh. dont really want to pass judgment. as it seems to be every year we get a bunch of videos played by retards! they all suck! i dont think i saw one decent bit of skill, pass or long range effort. the people who go to gamescon seem to be the people you play online who just run down the wing and pass across goal!

i really do hope there are a ton more animations, these can help create a better fell and atmosphere in game. i liked it that in fifa you could press lb to tell a teamate to run for a through ball and they would point to the space, just little authentic things like that, doest take too much effort but makes the game feel alot more polished.

[Fifer]

Am I the only one that thinks it looks good? :S

It's just the little touches, the way the passes flow into the running animations etc. In my opinion the engine wasn't that broken in the first place, it just needed to be more fluent. All I really wanted was a revamped master league and a really good online mode. If I get all three of those (looks like 2 are sorted already) I'll be a happy man.

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

You know what, didnt even realise these vids were, till i saw the fifa forum guys pissing themselves at this shit, so took a look.

That 360 movement doesnt look right to me, looks fucking real rigid.

Passing animations might be better, think tackling animations might have improved as well.

They've crammed that 360 in you know, doesnt look right to me so far, still rigid.

Looks very much like an updated pes 2009.

I agree with you, they rushed in the 360, because they probably shit a brick when they heard Fifa had 360 movement.

[byondthought]

meh. dont really want to pass judgment. as it seems to be every year we get a bunch of videos played by retards! they all suck! i dont think i saw one decent bit of skill, pass or long range effort. the people who go to gamescon seem to be the people you play online who just run down the wing and pass across goal!

i really do hope there are a ton more animations, these can help create a better fell and atmosphere in game. i liked it that in fifa you could press lb to tell a teamate to run for a through ball and they would point to the space, just little authentic things like that, doest take too much effort but makes the game feel alot more polished.

Too true, i heard that their holding the international retard convention in the room next door and a few of um seemd to have wandered over to Konami and EA stands,...!!!

[Tech_Skill]

I agree with you, they rushed in the 360, because they probably shit a brick when they heard Fifa had 360 movement.

We'll see.

I mean, i dont buy the 'shit players' theory yet, i saw a vid with a bloke passing it around, wasnt horrendous looking, just looked like an update pes 2009, those turning animations are still off as well.

Sorry guys, I cant lie about this shit,

That gamescom shit aint all that.

What about the edit nets ???

Is that in there?

However shit the gameplay is, i wanna try that shit.

[shankly is god]

Konami next introduced Pro Evolution Soccer 2010. Shingo 'Seabass' Takatsuka, producer, PES Productions at Konami, chatted about the latest improvements to the acclaimed soccer (or football, if you're European) series. "I think some of you played the demo version of PES 2010 back in June."Some of your important comments are implemented when we made the final adjustments and even added some new things in the game. We received so many requests about new moves for players that we added about 300 movements. We also heard many requests about the keepers and we did manage to implement these as well," said Takatsuka. Players can now move in all directions -- not just eight, he added. He then demoed a trailer representing the PS3, PC and Xbox 360 versions of the game. PES 2010 for Wii will be released in Europe on November 19; on PS2 and PSP on November 5; and on PS3, 360 and PC on October 22.

http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/101/1015452p1.html

[Tech_Skill]

We received so many requests about new moves for players that we added about 300 movements.

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Are these 300 movements in the 72.8596% build then?

[02mike]

i don't really know what to think TBH. Can't say it's an amazing improvement, but it's an improvement nonetheless. Give it a year or two :no: by that time all their fans would have gone

[shaun7]

Am I the only one that thinks it looks good? :S

It's just the little touches, the way the passes flow into the running animations etc. In my opinion the engine wasn't that broken in the first place, it just needed to be more fluent. All I really wanted was a revamped master league and a really good online mode. If I get all three of those (looks like 2 are sorted already) I'll be a happy man.

I also think it looks good. Check my post. :)
But still I cannot say for sure.
Campare these to pes 09 first videos and it's a clear improvement for sure even if you refuse to see it.

[Janus909]

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You can't be expecting a good response on YouTube, that's even more silly than the comments on their site. I'm genuinely surprised it hasn't already escalated into a mass racist argument.

Personally, I think we have to play the game to really feel the difference, and for me, the game looks solid, I've always been an optimist so that will no doubt contribute towards my opinions. I even enjoyed PES 2009, so I'll feel in heaven with PES 2010 by the looks of things. "If" online is completely fixed, and is similar to PES6's quality, then I'll be playing it all year round.

totally agree with this hunter, i've been playing PES09 all year and would be devistated if the game totally changed and as you say a couple of tweaks here and there along with a fixed online system, i to will be in heaven.

Tech you need to realise EVO has a huge huge fan base of gamers who love what the game provides, your continous rants are boring, we are happy to see subtle changes year by year, if everything changed a whole new game would be created and we would loose all the things we love about evo! cant wait for the demo now, anyone got an idea of its release??

ps - cheers for the yellow card hunter, still fairly new to the forum so didnt even realise double posting was against the rules, anyway all good!

[Perfectstrik]

i cant believe this negativety based on a couple of poor quality gameplay videos being played by people that are bad at pes and probably using the d-pad.

Are you people blind,open your eyes theres a massive difference to pes09.

What where you really expecting pes09 was a pretty descent game and this looks like a huge improvement on that,its football how can you drastically change the way football is played even real pros move in a angled way.

I can see the difference because im someone that has actually been playing pes09 for the last year.

Look how smooth the passing is and the improved ai and teamate reactions.Theres even a great snippet of where a fullback does a long ball to his forward and the ball curls towards him rather then going flatly up the line like pes09,im even seeing movement and passing angles we have never had in pes.

Remeber also fifa10 will be finished now where as pes2010 has work still to be done.Also had a look at the fifa gamescom video and it looks ok,yes the animation is smooth but this is a finished product not a beta version like pes2010.

If you look at the player modelling of pes2010 it looks better then fifa10,plus fifa10 still looks very floatie especially the players.

[FIORE_FAN]

Just for comparrison - and not to sound like a fanboy - then here's a FIFA10 vid.
http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_fifa_10_gamescom_gamepl ay-12434_en.html

The animations just look sooo much better. Look at how many different animations there are when Ibrahimovic starts his dribble-raid at around the 12 min. mark on the gameclock! Everytime he touches the ball it's a new way he does it?!

Luckily for Konami, EA thus far, hasn't been able to nail those player individualities. If they'll get that part of the game right, I think it'll be a huge nail in the Konami coffin... :crymore:

FIFA does look more organic at this stage. Right build from Konami or not...:unsure:

[genexsis]

We'll see.

I mean, i dont buy the 'shit players' theory yet, i saw a vid with a bloke passing it around, wasnt horrendous looking, just looked like an update pes 2009, those turning animations are still off as well.

Sorry guys, I cant lie about this shit,

That gamescom shit aint all that.

What about the edit nets ???

Is that in there?

However shit the gameplay is, i wanna try that shit.


You know what i like about this forum and people like Tech is that you can talk freely here without getting a bann..

I've seen FIFA 10 Video on Fifa Blog. It blows PES away..

The only reason i dont play FIFA now is because its too easy to score.
While in PES if you are new you get owned.

But i have to face defeat..

I'm a PESFAN 4 life.. FIFA is better and still i'm staying at PES..

This is really funny... we got nothing big or new at gamescon.. just old and already leaked stuff even the trailer was old footage..

Incredible.. why even book a flight to gamescom?

[Tech_Skill]

i don't really know what to think TBH. Can't say it's an amazing improvement, but it's an improvement nonetheless. Give it a year or two :no: by that time all their fans would have gone

Thank you

Some Honesty right there.

Now, someone tell me, is edit nets in???

If its not, im gonna message david rutter and get him to put in fifa instead.

Fucking cracking idea that is, im ashamed to say it, but even when konami was talking about 360, all i could think of was.....edit nets.

[shankly is god]

^^ fifa 10 looks exactly the same as 09 mate so disapointed as i get bothe games....you cant tell about 360 movement at all.....

im really like this years pes looking really good...cant believe some people in here are bad mouthing it...honestly

[shaun7]

i cant believe this negativety based on a couple of poor quality gameplay vidoes being played by people that are bad at pes and probably using the d-pad.

Are you people blind,open your eyes theres a massive difference to pes09.

What where you really expecting pes09 was a pretty descent game and this looks like a huge improvement on that,its football how can you drastically change the way football is played even real pros move in a angled way.

I can see the difference because im someone that has actually been playing pes09 for the last year.

Look how smooth the passing is and the improved ai and teamate reactions.Theres even a great snippet of where a fullback does a long ball to his forward and the ball curls towards him rather then going flatly up the line.
Finally someone who sees difference. This forum is so negative.
Just for comparrison - and not to sound like a fanboy - then here's a FIFA10 vid.
http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_fifa_10_gamescom_gamepl ay-12434_en.html

The animations just look sooo much better. Look at how many different animations there are when Ibrahimovic starts his dribble-raid at around the 12 min. mark on the gameclock! Everytime he touches the ball it's a new way he does it?!

Luckily for Konami, EA thus far, hasn't been able to nail those player individualities. If they'll get that part of the game right, I think it'll be a huge nail in the Konami coffin... :crymore:

FIFA does look more organic at this stage. Right build from Konami or not...:unsure:

:shocking: Shocking really. Fifa is better in animations very true, but until fifa can have player individuality and fix the response time, and actually make dribbling effective, maybe then it can beat pes and then we can call it realistic. But until that happens, fifa is never gonna be a realistic game no matter how good the animations are.

[Tech_Skill]

^^ fifa 10 looks exactly the same as 09 mate so disapointed as i get bothe games....you cant tell about 360 movement at all.....

im really like this years pes looking really good...cant believe some people in here are bad mouthing it...honestly

Without going into detail about fifa too much

1) As i said from day one, graphics, its not gonna look much different to 09

2) You can see the 360, look at a fifa vid and then look at any one of the pes threads in here.

3) If you think pes 2010 looks great, good for you mate, your opinion, i just give mine.

[shankly is god]

for me fifa 10 is 09 with updated kits thats all....

pes 2010 has made such a massive improvement

[Tech_Skill]

for me fifa 10 is 09 with updated kits thats all....

pes 2010 has made such a massive improvement

Okay then dont buy fifa, buy pes then.

[shaun7]

Just seen the fifa video. The animations are really awesome. But again. Dribbling not effective or at least who's playing it doesn't know how.
BTW I just cannot see 360 movement in both games. Maybe you need to play it to actually feel it.

[Hunter]

Thank you

Some Honesty right there.

Now, someone tell me, is edit nets in???

If its not, im gonna message david rutter and get him to put in fifa instead.

Fucking cracking idea that is, im ashamed to say it, but even when konami was talking about 360, all i could think of was.....edit nets.

Well, we've been told editable nets are in, but only by someone who has the beta build. The individual was right about everything (from Evo-Web) so we've no reason to doubt him. The nets in the PES 2010 gameplay video are visibily different, having a different shape to them and the nets being blue for a start.

Either way, I think we can all say the improvement doesn't look like a "hugely amazing" leap forward, but hell, it's certainly a good improvement in my eyes and considering these are poor quality videos, from camera phones and the like, I'm definitely happy. These tied in with the new ML features, editable things, non-lag online (fingers crossed) - PES 2010 could potentially be excellent.

[shankly is god]

^^ i will be buying pes but my brother buys me fifa i wont complain because as you said it will be different when you play.... im not looking for an argument here lad just saying these vids have come out and details of editible nets and certain people still wont here any of it... the video showing movement looks really nice and some of that game play looks ace...just cant really understand how you and someone else wont give it a chance.....

[byondthought]

Gamersyde vid is really unrealistic football... why cant they get decent players...

the Cross from messi is a Joke

[FIORE_FAN]

Just seen the fifa video. The animations are really awesome. But again. Dribbling not effective or at least who's playing it doesn't know how.
BTW I just cannot see 360 movement in both games. Maybe you need to play it to actually feel it.

I think it shows just a little here and there. Not while sprinting, mind, but here and there you can see, the players turning in smaller angles/degrees than the usual 45 degrees at every turn...
Both the PES and FIFA displays that in more occations, you just have to look at every little turn.
With only 8-way direction, you could only turn in 45, 90 and 180 degrees movement. I believe that you are able to see at least 22,5 degrees movement (and maybe even down to 11-12 degrees movement) in these videos, which is what both EA and Konami calls 360 movement.;)

[chinaman]

also, because of the camera they are using, you don't see the full effect because the players are so small. They seem to be using tele view. Would be better using dynamic which is closer but not too big. I just think the messi cross was unrealistic as hell, as was the henry goal.

[shaun7]

I get what you're saying fiore ;)
But I still think we have to play it to see the proper 360 in action or at least more angles in action. :)

[02mike]

lol some of the excuses I've seen on here have been ridiculous such as "it's because of the camera angle so you can't see the full effect of gameplay" lool that so much bull. Let's face it Konami have made improvements, but the gameplay still looks a bit robotic, though this is far less than last year. They also still haven't got it 100% correct on gameplay and i think they know that.

Personally, i think all they need to do is sort out running animations, the way players do that sharp turn (a lot less this year from what I've seen) and also player movement.

I would never buy fifa in a million years, but as a die hard fan I'd rather face up to the truth, rather than be in self-denial.

[john4]

Finally someone who sees difference. This forum is so negative.


:shocking: Shocking really. Fifa is better in animations very true, but until fifa can have player individuality and fix the response time, and actually make dribbling effective, maybe then it can beat pes and then we can call it realistic. But until that happens, fifa is never gonna be a realistic game no matter how good the animations are.

not all the animations though, sure the pointing for space is nice and the running looks better but when you get slide tackled on 09 the massive sideways leaps into the air are just plain stupid.

for me PES wins on graphics close up, FIFA looks better far away. FIFAs passing wins but both games lack the ability to do useful long balls. and PES wins on shooting, for the first time i have played alot of FIFA this year, first time since FIFA 98 or something ridiculous. and i have liked it, but the one place it is far from rewarding is with its goals. i bit of time and you learn how to finish then every finish starts to look the same, PES has a lot more individuality with the shooting. (talking about 09 of both games of course) i think FIFA came on leaps and bounds for 09 and PES has pottered along since PES6. the vids of both 2010 games look very similar to the 09 games but both games release demos prior to release so i am sure they must feel incredibly different otherwise people will download the demo, realise they are pretty much a minor upgrade and not bother buying.

theres always a learning curve with the new PES games but these noobs who are playing are ridiculous!dammit take a shot from outside the area, show us something we havent seen in every online game we have ever played!

also i pray they remove that god awful toe poke animation when your through on goal shoulder to shoulder with somebody and they do a pathetic little toe pop straight to the keeper! its been in the game for way too long now!

[Rob21C_UK]

I've seen precious little 360º movement in any of the PES vids. In that FIFA video Tech linked you can see 360º from the very start all the way through. Still this could be down to the plebs playing the game with a D-Pad on a non PS3 version.

Have to say the animations in FIFA10 are way better than PES, even though they do "ice skate" once or twice. It seems to me after watching about 5 or 6 different PES videos, the only motion captured animations I can see are all shooting animations (which do look nice). Everything else looks the same as PES2009 to me animation wise, especially running and those 180º passes.

Graphically it looks fantastic and will wait for the demo to feel how it plays. Still getting it on day of release as FIFA on PC is stuck back in 2007.

[shankly is god]

where is this noob video...

[Tech_Skill]

Now for tech_skill's

PES HALL OF SHAME

First induction: WENB

Reason: On gamescom they basically said "When we heard about the big news at gamescom, there was silence in the room, its that big"

Read the above to yourself out loud 3 times, then watch the gamescom videos.....

What a bunch of drama queens.

[shaun7]

I agree that the animations in those videos aren't awesome, but there is a notable difference in the way they move. See it properly. It's much better than in 09. Not up to fifa's animations though.
But look deeper. The defence. Biggest problem in pes 09.
See how better they close up, see how better they clear the ball. Also even the way the AI positioning is, it's much better than in pes 09.
Another problem in pes 09 was AI and difficulty.
I can comment on the difficulty. LOOK at the videos on youtube (not the one Gamersyde posted, because it surly low level difficulty) where there is a player vs the computer. The computer closed spaces much better and it's proved by those who played it that it is harder than 09.
So if you look deeper, you can see differences.

[shankly is god]

Now for tech_skill's

PES HALL OF SHAME

First induction: WENB

Reason: On gamescom they basically said "When we heard about the big news at gamescom, there was silence in the room, its that big"

Read the above to yourself out loud 3 times, then watch the gamescom videos.....

What a bunch of drama queens.

I would love to know that if this was the other way around and it was EA's fan base who was mentioning this what would your reaction be.....

[FIORE_FAN]

Gamersyde vid is really unrealistic football... why cant they get decent players...

the Cross from messi is a Joke

What's that Messi cross "everybody" is talking about??!?!?

[Tech_Skill]

I would love to know that if this was the other way around and it was EA's fan base who was mentioning this what would your reaction be.....

Mate, ironically fifa soccer blog is wenb, same people behind that shit. lol

Dont even get me started on the allegations that Adam was telling people pes couldnt match fifa's animations.....

then next minute talking like pes was gonna be the second coming.

Check this out, heres what he thinks about pes animations

"Animations looked really nice, some of them were out of this world!"

Not hating on pes, but out of this world????

Shocking........

[shankly is god]

ha ha...yer this pes vs fifa thing is quite something....no one will really no untill we have copies in our hands....

i liked the movement in the first pes video posted on here you saw kyut dodging del piero i think...al be it and FMV but looked nice...

btw where is this fifa video showing 360 movement you posted cant find it??

[Rob21C_UK]

I agree that the animations in those videos aren't awesome, but there is a notable difference in the way they move. See it properly. It's much better than in 09. Not up to fifa's animations though.

Yeah there are a lot smoother animations but they seem to me to still be animated and not mo-capped. Look like PES2009 running animations with extra frames added.

[Tech_Skill]

ha ha...yer this pes vs fifa thing is quite something....no one will really no untill we have copies in our hands....

i liked the movement in the first pes video posted on here you saw kyut dodging del piero i think...al be it and FMV but looked nice...

btw where is this fifa video showing 360 movement you posted cant find it??

i didnt post anything of the sort, people getting confused, i can see it in all the videos anyways, ill see what i can dig up.

[Perfectstrik]

What's that Messi cross "everybody" is talking about??!?!?


ITS A GREAT CROSS THAT HENRI POKES IN AND IT SHOWS HOW MUCH MORE THE BALL CURLS.

IVE SEEN MESSI DO ONE OF THESE IN LA LIGA SO IT DOESNT LOOK UNREALISTIC.


http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_pro_evolution_soccer_20 10_gamescom_gameplay_part_1-12435_en.html

[Perfectstrik]

i didnt post anything of the sort, people getting confused, i can see it in all the videos anyways, ill see what i can dig up.

your doing my head in mate with your pes2010 negativety,wake up and smell the coffee bud pes2010 looks brilliant and i bet its great to play.

in the videos you have a load of crap pes players that do nothing but pass,pass,walk the ball into the goal.


i imagine when a skilled player who is creative is playing i its so different plus i dont give a rats ass what fifa are doing pes is always far more playable and more of a game.

look at the horrible skating in fifa10 i havent seen this in one of the pes2010 videos.

[Tech_Skill]

your doing my head in mate with your pes2010 negativety,wake up and smell the coffee bud pes2010 looks brilliant and i bet its great to play.

in the videos you have a load of crap pes players that do nothing but pass,pass,walk the ball into the goal.


i imagine when a skilled player who is creative is playing it its so different plus i dont give a rats ass what fifa ae doing pes is always far more playable and more of a game.

I didnt know crap players made the running animations look like that............

ps. double post btw.

[Rob21C_UK]

i didnt post anything of the sort, people getting confused, i can see it in all the videos anyways, ill see what i can dig up.

Sorry Tech, was my bad. :blush: Was FIORE_FAN who posted the FIFA 10 link.

[Janus909]

urmm, just watched a FIFA 10 gameplay video, to me it looks kinda strange, the players seem as if they are all chasing after the ball, also in appearance are strangley small and just look out of place as they run around! Not for me.......will try the demo tho

[shankly is god]

i didnt post anything of the sort, people getting confused, i can see it in all the videos anyways, ill see what i can dig up.

shaun mentioned a video that was gameplay i am asuming that you posted..showing the 360 dagree football...

ok well rob21 can you post it here mate i aint seen it yet

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

Everybody check out my new thread, something that would be very interesting to get your thoughts about it.

Oh yea its called: Other Football Games.

Sorry guys it got moved to Other Gaming.

[Tech_Skill]

Sorry Tech, was my bad. :blush: Was FIORE_FAN who posted the FIFA 10 link.

Yeah, and that doesnt look great either, the best one ive seen so far is the one from the oldest build (note how im not using builds as an excuse for fifa)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M2B0Jahxkk

This is the earliest build from the emirates version months ago. (asthetically its fifa 09)

Not hating on Pes 2010, not saying pes hasnt made a step forward....

but I cant say the gameplay looks better than this, but thats my opinion.

[shankly is god]

Yeah, and that doesnt look great either, the best one ive seen so far is the one from the oldest build (note how im not using builds as an excuse for fifa)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M2B0Jahxkk

This is the earliest build from the emirates version months ago. (asthetically its fifa 09)

Not hating on Pes 2010, not saying pes hasnt made a step forward....

but I cant say the gameplay looks better than this, but thats my opinion.

dont you get pissed off with the same things years running...like crappy to none cup celebrations...the same goal celebrations throughout the game...and the same start to a game where one captain is looking at the other trying to intimidate him...Ive seen these for the past 3-4 years now very tedious

[chinaman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ONdbvPv62A

new vid?

[Tech_Skill]

dont you get pissed off with the same things years running...like crappy to none cup celebrations...the same goal celebrations throughout the game...and the same start to a game where one captain is looking at the other trying to intimidate him...Ive seen these for the past 3-4 years now very tedious

We need to get back onto pes 2010 more.

But to finish

No cup celebration in fifa is a disgrace, fact.

I dont like the goal celebrations too much either

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

Is it just me or at set plays the taker looks really fat.

I first thought the referees were more leaniant, 1:28 would of got a yellow maybe a red in older PES games. Until the guy got two straight reds, first was harsh, second was correct decision.

Did you see inside the tunnel before the match, awesome!

Oh and atleast we got to see some decent players.

[gazbonner]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ONdbvPv62A

new vid?

I think it looks pretty solid and interesting, grass, lighting ect..!
Really need to have a bash to see if it feels right (360 implementation,,ect), Just hope they slow it down and work a bit more on the animation to help make it more fluid, the fifa vid has pretty decent animation wise!, but the ball physics and player steps just looks a bit lightweight to me.. just an opinion;)

Anyway!..fingers crossed!;)

[shankly is god]

The pen system would need to be practiced quite alot im thinking...but did you see those two reds ha ha what a top hat

[SammyGunner11]

Was checking out the new screens for FIFA 10 and I noticed that players can now where those tight undershirts that Rooney and Bosignwa wear. Do you think PES will impliment this feature in their edit mode of the game?

It's picture number 6, under screenshot
http://fifa.easports.com/home.action
Looks sooo cool!

Pro Evo looking TOTALLY AWESOME, by the way. 100% satisfied. Definately better than the former two. There's no doubt that I'll be enjoying PES this year just like I used to in the winning eleven days.

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

Was checking out the new screens for FIFA 10 and I noticed that players can now where those tight undershirts that Rooney and Bosignwa wears. Do you think PES will impliment this feature in their edit mode of the game?

It's picture number 6, under screenshot
http://fifa.easports.com/home.action
Looks sooo cool!

Pro Evo looking TOTALLY AWESOME, by the way. 100% satisfied. Definately better than the former two. There's no doubt that I'll be enjoying PES this year just like I used to in the winning eleven days.

I will be enjoying it too, cannot wait. What do you click I couldnt find the pictures.

[02mike]

yeah i agree with that messi cross. They need to sort that out fast.

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

yeah i agree with that messi cross. They need to sort that out fast.

What cross? What video? What time?

[02mike]

What cross? What video? What time?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPi8iqmdPjM

i don't think he could have done that in real life.

I think with around 20% to go the game looks promising. not all of the motion capture has been inputted yet and a few tweaks here and there should do it.

[shankly is god]

He does do that cross in real life mate

[02mike]

He does do that cross in real life mate

yeah course he does with the outside of his boot that high :no:

don't get me wrong. I am pro-pro evo and think the demo looks promising, but I'd rather people point stupid things like that rather keep quite thinking it's rosy. IMO true pro evo fans look at pros and cons. If you're only willing to look at the pros, pro evo isn't going to be anywhere near fifa come a couple of years. :(

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPi8iqmdPjM

i don't think he could have done that in real life.

I think with around 20% to go the game looks promising. not all of the motion capture has been inputted yet and a few tweaks here and there should do it.

Cheers, he does do that!

Are you from England, if so did you not see Match Of The Day, Luka Modric done a cross just like that.

You dont have to be a superhuman to do it.

[02mike]

Cheers, he does do that!

Are you from England, if so did you not see Match Of The Day, Luka Modric done a cross just like that.

You dont have to be a superhuman to do it.

yup I'm from England. mmm maybe i thought it looked unrealistic because of the animation :erm:

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

yup I'm from England. mmm maybe i thought it looked unrealistic because of the animation :erm:

I was just telling you just to show it does happen.

[SammyGunner11]

I will be enjoying it too, cannot wait. What do you click I couldnt find the pictures.

Just click the new screenshots. It's number 6 on their home page.

[shankly is god]

yer to cross that long on the game does seem unrealistic but in real life you see it all the time....search youtube or messi crosses or something....

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

yer to cross that long on the game does seem unrealistic but in real life you see it all the time....search youtube or messi crosses or something....

Or Tottenham vs Liverpool goals, he will see the cross.

[shaun7]

Yeah there are a lot smoother animations but they seem to me to still be animated and not mo-capped. Look like PES2009 running animations with extra frames added.

I think it looked better than that.:)
As for the messi cross and henry goal. The animation was a bit off, but it can happen in real life. In serie A it happens alot. So it is realistic.
BTW the video that chinaman posted of pes is looking really good. Defending is much improved and the game seems to be smoother.

[byondthought]

no way the messi cross is possible, the running angle and body angle is all wrong the speed of the ball and the way it moves through the air is wrong too.... yes its possible to cross with the outside of the foot but not like that, he stabs at it like a chip...

[shankly is god]

search on youtube then son...

[genexsis]

search on youtube then son...


That pass is impossible.. i searched on youtube cant find it cause its impossible..

The length, curve and speed + body stand of that pass is not possible..

[byondthought]

search on youtube then son...

dont need to ive seen it done in real life mate...

[Hunter]

Yeah, he flicks the ball with the outside of his boot in that PES video as opposed to swinging his leg, which is what is required to belt a ball that far with the outside of the boot.

As long as it isn't as accurate everytime, then I don't mind to be completely honest, I can't see every player being able to do so, possibly just Messi and few others as part of a special "card" ability involving the outside of the boot.

[byondthought]

That pass is impossible.. i searched on youtube cant find it cause its impossible..

The length, curve and speed + body stand of that pass is not possible..

Indeed..!!!

[shankly is god]

it is not impossible at all....you see it all the time in football..jesus have you actually watched any football matches in your lives

[byondthought]

it is not impossible at all....you see it all the time in football..jesus have you actually watched any football matches in your lives

only ones with earth gravity...

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

It is possible, type in youtube. tottenham vs liverpool 2-1 full match highlights (16-08-09), click on LeaguePremierships profile and its over the right hand side.

Sorry for the complicated instructions.

[Tech_Skill]

ive havent seen a player stab the ball without drawing the leg back, and hitting the ball in that spot, making the ball go that fast and in that direction.

[shankly is god]

only ones with earth gravity...

oh shit my bad....i should really stop watching the NASA channel

[byondthought]

It is possible, type in youtube. Tottenham vs Liverpool 2-1 it is the 3rd video down. Watch it then come back and say its impossible.

Sorry click on the link in the description.

i hope you dont mean what Modric did on the weekend..???

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

i hope you dont mean what Modric did on the weekend..???

What? Sorry I edited it there follow those instructions.

[Hunter]

ive havent seen a player stab the ball without drawing the leg back, and hitting the ball in that spot, making the ball go that fast and in that direction.

First time ever? I'm agreeing with you here.

In the PES video, Messi "stabs" at the ball with his foot, he doesn't swing his leg back further than 30cm. No matter what, it's impossible to kick a ball 30+ yards with that much power and swerve, simply by flicking your foot against the ball - you need to swing your leg. Had Messi swung his leg back and "then" connected with the outside of his boot - not a problem really. But to literaly flick his foot without any real swing, and kick the ball so accurately over 30+ yards is a touch ridiculous.

But like I said just previously, as long as it isn't a common occurance, I'm not really bothered.

[The Liverpool Way]

oh shit my bad....i should really stop watching the NASA channel

HaHa!:w00t:w00t

[byondthought]

What? Sorry I edited it there follow those instructions.

what min ??? do you mean when Modric crosses the ball back for Keane(i think) to head at the keeper...

if so thats not the same...

[Desijut]

what is the white line below their names?

http://i27.tinypic.com/34pcmt5.jpg

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

what min ??? do you mean when Modric crosses the ball back for Keane(i think) to head at the keeper...

if so thats not the same...

Thats what I meant yes.

Its not as exaggerated/ far fetched but it still is kinda the same.

[byondthought]

First time ever? I'm agreeing with you here.

In the PES video, Messi "stabs" at the ball with his foot, he doesn't swing his leg back further than 30cm. No matter what, it's impossible to kick a ball 30+ yards with that much power and swerve, simply by flicking your foot against the ball - you need to swing your leg. Had Messi swung his leg back and "then" connected with the outside of his boot - not a problem really. But to literaly flick his foot without any real swing, and kick the ball so accurately over 30+ yards is a touch ridiculous.

But like I said just previously, as long as it isn't a common occurance, I'm not really bothered.

Also to put any swing on a ball your foot needs to come around it to put the spin on it...

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

what is the white line below their names?

http://i27.tinypic.com/34pcmt5.jpg

I would say just a design.

[Desijut]

does the pitch look bigger than in 09?

[byondthought]

Thats what I meant yes.

Its not as exaggerated but it still is kinda the same.

yeah i can understand why you think it might be possible, but the momentum of the ball and angle of the player is differernt...

trust me when your running down the wing with a ball and you kick it how messi does in pes the ball would not react like that...

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

does the pitch look bigger than in 09?

Probably just the same as 09 but just the camera angle they are using.

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

yeah i can understand why you think it might be possible, but the momentum of the ball and angle of the player is differernt...

trust me when your running down the wing with a ball and you kick it how messi does in pes the ball would not react like that...

Exactually no chance any player could get that much swerve and acuraccy. I was just trying to get a point a cross that it can be done slightly.

[Desijut]

true but are you sure about the white line?

[Tech_Skill]

I might be picking but........

Ermm, Henry's finish

1) foot still doesnt touch the ball

2) Old animation, i thought they added 300 new ones?

[Mullet Taylor]

just read threw the entire thread...i have a semi

just wish only proper pes players get a chance first hand to play the demo. every year its the same. people that are mince play and idiots start jumping on the band wagon.

mind last year during a conference, the guy scored from way out with mascherano and the drubbing that got was unreal. Then when we all got our hands on the game, we expierenced how hard it is to score from way out etc. jus giving an example of how these videos shouldn't be taken too seriously

wouldnt surprise me if alot of these vids are played on amature level

bring on october !

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

true but are you sure about the white line?

Not sure, just a guess.

[MysteryMan]

I might be picking but........

Ermm, Henry's finish

1) foot still doesnt touch the ball

2) Old animation, i thought they added 300 new ones?

I agree , hope they fix this.

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

I might be picking but........

Ermm, Henry's finish

1) foot still doesnt touch the ball

2) Old animation, i thought they added 300 new ones?

Unfortuantly I agree:(

[Tech_Skill]

just read threw the entire thread...i have a semi

just wish only proper pes players get a chance first hand to play the demo. every year its the same. people that are mince play and idiots start jumping on the band wagon.

mind last year during a conference, the guy scored from way out with mascherano and the drubbing that got was unreal. Then when we all got our hands on the game, we expierenced how hard it is to score from way out etc. jus giving an example of how these videos shouldn't be taken too seriously

bring on october !

I know where you are coming from, but the animations are the animations, no matter who is playing.

Thats what we are talking about.

Like it or not, it doesnt look that far removed from pes 2009 at all.

[byondthought]

I know where you are coming from, but the animations are the animations, no matter who is playing.

Thats what we are talking about.

Like it or not, it doesnt look that far removed from pes 2009 at all.

Thats what i cant understand, animations were so hyped up..!!!

[Mullet Taylor]

i've played like 100hours worth of my pes 09. why fix whats not broken ? i like pes the way it is, if they change it too much then we risk changing what we all know and love

[iamcanadianeh]

Couple of points:

1. Did EA mess up by releasing the news that they will be employing 360 movement too soon, thus allowing Konami to incorporate it too?

2. Will there be more secrecy in future because of this?

3. Are there maybe some more secrets to be revealed by both companies this year because they don't want the other guys to steal their new ideas?

4. Virtual Pro looks like it will be fun for 12 year olds, or people who aren't serious about realism. It's a typical EA sort of thing to implement, reminds me of the crappy player growth in games like Tiger Woods. I'm surprised they haven't added the ability to buy new shoes, socks, hair gel, etc to improve your stats ;)

It will, however, no doubt appeal hugely to a lot of people, so it could affect sales big time, especially since it's looking like this year's PES is not exactly easy to pick up and play.

My guess is that despite all the effort Konami has put in that EA will still win in the sales department, but of course people are also saying the new PES is loads of fun to play, and online hopefully being fixed will help too, so we'll have to wait and see. Not that I care about Sales. I just want a great PES, and it's looking like it will be awesome this year to me. Animations aren't where I hoped they would be, but they do look improved, and if gameplay is good then I'll be happy.

[chinaman]

pes may be fun but it sure aint realistic which is what fifa provides.

[Tech_Skill]

Couple of points:

1. Did EA mess up by releasing the news that they will be employing 360 movement too soon, thus allowing Konami to incorporate it too?



Not being funny mate but if what we are seeing in those pes gamescom vids is '360 movement' then ea will be announcing fifa 11 updates tomorrow.

Seriously, you cant tell me thats in the same league as the movement in fifa 10.

Not hating, just telling the truth now.

[Desijut]

you can tell that the game has been slowed down which is good, some new animations, surprised one person didnt lay off the other to see if it was true 360, there were hints of it.

But why are most of the people playing the game retarded????

[byondthought]

i've played like 100hours worth of my pes 09. why fix whats not broken ? i like pes the way it is, if they change it too much then we risk changing what we all know and love

Thats just it Konami are caught between a rock and a hard place..!!

They need to see which is the biggest fan base for them.. I think EA have got all the hardcore realism peeps and aint going to give um up easy, where as Konami have all the gamer type people who enjoy the more computer football style of play...

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

i've played like 100hours worth of my pes 09. why fix whats not broken ? i like pes the way it is, if they change it too much then we risk changing what we all know and love

Exactually why I am partly scared/ getting mixed emotions.

I dont want changes that will make PES NOT feel like PES but more like Fifa which I certainly dont like (not saying Fifas a bad game, just that it doesnt feel right for me.)

[chinaman]

i actually think if we combined pes graphics with fifa gameplay, we would have a winner. the pes lighting is very good whereas fifa looks a bit cartoony from distance. However, fifa has so much more variation, different jumping animations, tackling, jostling, shooting, whereas pes feels like each player moves, tackles, shoots in the same way. And the animations in pes are pi55 poor.

[Tech_Skill]

Thats just it Konami are caught between a rock and a hard place..!!

They need to see which is the biggest fan base for them.. I think EA have got all the hardcore realism peeps and aint going to give um up easy, where as Konami have all the gamer type people who enjoy the more computer football style of play...

its a japanese vs europe thingy

The playing cards thing is pure pokemon, not dissing it, but ea would never even think of that yu-gi-oh type shit.

[Janus909]

i've played like 100hours worth of my pes 09. why fix whats not broken ? i like pes the way it is, if they change it too much then we risk changing what we all know and love

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i second, third and fourth that!! :)

[byondthought]

Not being funny mate but if what we are seeing in those pes gamescom vids is '360 movement' then ea will be announcing fifa 11 updates tomorrow.

Seriously, you cant tell me thats in the same league as the movement in fifa 10.

Not hating, just telling the truth now.

TBH i think both will have 16 points, 22.5 degrees around the 360.. not too sure about fifa though it seems to have somthing inbetween that blends it or somthing

[Janus909]

its a japanese vs europe thingy

The playing cards thing is pure pokemon, not dissing it, but ea would never even think of that yu-gi-oh type shit.

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[byondthought]

its a japanese vs europe thingy

The playing cards thing is pure pokemon, not dissing it, but ea would never even think of that yu-gi-oh type shit.

Konami really need to get some european developers on board or th could face even more people not picking up pes for the first time...

your very right about it being a Japanese thing, their all Japanese hehe

[Tech_Skill]

its a japanese vs europe thingy

The playing cards thing is pure pokemon, not dissing it, but ea would never even think of that yu-gi-oh type shit.

When i said this, i didnt mean ea wouldnt pick it cos its a bad idea, just that due to cultural difference, they wouldnt think of an idea like that.

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

Konami really need to get some european developers on board or th could face even more people not picking up pes for the first time...

your very right about it being a Japanese thing, their all Japanese hehe

Agreed but I dont see why they dont put the J-League since they are from Japan, they should have the rights to that surely lol.

[byondthought]

Agreed but I dont see why they dont put the J-League since they are from Japan, they should have the rights to that surely lol.

yeah thats abit strange, does winning eleven have it ???

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

yeah thats abit strange, does winning eleven have it ???

I think so, it would also add another licensed league to the game so why not add it in?

[red]

When i said this, i didnt mean ea wouldnt pick it cos its a bad idea, just that due to cultural difference, they wouldnt think of an idea like that.

So agree with this, gimmick, they could have named them traits, player roles, anything but top trumps! Saying that doesn't FIFA 09 have its own card system?

If I could have only one, and had to choose on the two videos I have seen, EA and Konami, I would plumb for EA, however some time to go yet and the demos of both to be played.

I will buy both though, again!

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

So agree with this, gimmick, they could have named them traits, player roles, anything but top trumps! Saying that doesn't FIFA 09 have its own card system?

If I could have only one, and had to choose on the two videos I have seen, EA and Konami, I would plumb for EA, however some time to go yet and the demos of both to be played.

I will buy both though, again!

Oh yea, I heard ages ago, that the Jackson 5 were aspoissed to be in the game, oviously a big fat lie. (Unless anyone has heard also.)

[red]

Oh yea, I heard ages ago, that the Jackson 5 were aspoissed to be in the game, oviously a big fat lie. (Unless anyone has heard also.)

Sorry, missed your point!

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

Sorry, missed your point!

I heard a rumour a while ago about the Jackson 5 where aspoissed to be in the game music.

[shankly is god]

pes may be fun but it sure aint realistic which is what fifa provides.

LMFAO fifa realistic hahahahahahahahha...

so sami hypia faster than torres is realstic? or how about CL matches not played at night?? oh and wait how about the pinball physics of bumping into everyone not needing to tackle at all...

wow realism at its best

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

LMFAO fifa realistic hahahahahahahahha...

so sami hypia faster than torres is realstic? or how about CL matches not played at night?? oh and wait how about the pinball physics of bumping into everyone not needing to tackle at all...

wow realism at its best

Fifa is far from realistic, sooner people realise that the better. I am not saying that it is a bad game its decent just like PES 2009 but I got/ still get lots of hours from PES 200

[shankly is god]

Fifa is far from realistic, sooner people realise that the better. I am not saying that it is a bad game its decent just like PES 2009 but I got/ still get lots of hours from PES 200

exactly my point mate...when i say the problems in fifa 09 because some loon has said its the best ever etc I will feel its my duty to put them in there place...i like fifa just not as much as pes obv...

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

exactly my point mate...when i say the problems in fifa 09 because some loon has said its the best ever etc I will feel its my duty to put them in there place...i like fifa just not as much as pes obv...

Me too, people sound like Fifa was far far better than PES last year, but I hate to tell them they are both only decent games.

Most people on my Xbox friends list has Fifa there is only like three people including myself that has PES.

If you want me too add you on Xbox so I could have you a few games of PES. Only if you want to of course.

[shankly is god]

^^ I buy pes on ps3 mate just for the editing..( i often spend time on photoshop making kits)...you can add me mate no problem but aint got pes for 360 im afraid...just fifa as i play my brother online

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

^^ I buy pes on ps3 mate just for the editing..( i often spend time on photoshop making kits)...you can add me mate no problem but aint got pes for 360 im afraid...just fifa as i play my brother online

Sure I'll add you anyway. You can see my name on the left.

[shankly is god]

yea no worries mate....have a chat about how noobie tech skill is....ha ha ha

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

yea no worries mate....have a chat about how noobie tech skill is....ha ha ha

lol but he does have some good points.......to much into Fifa for me.

[shankly is god]

ha ha i was joking just to see what he says...but yer wish they would realese new news vids pics anything ha ha im sat here having a ciggy bored as feck flicking in this forum....god :(

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

ha ha i was joking just to see what he says...but yer wish they would realese new news vids pics anything ha ha im sat here having a ciggy bored as feck flicking in this forum....god :(

Lol, I am bored too, it is raining where I am. I'm just hoping people will post some new stuff on this forum or even winningelevenblog or pesfan.

[shankly is god]

yer ima head up the gym now, and its raining quite heavy here... just wanna see some new stuff tho before i go...

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

yer ima head up the gym now, and its raining quite heavy here... just wanna see some new stuff tho before i go...

Im going to go up to the Xbox like a sadass. Before the match tonight and Match Of The Day tonight.

Btw these forums are dead right now, its only seems like me and you are posting lol.

[shankly is god]

yer ill be going to my mates to watch liverpool game like...... should be a good night like for footie

[fick]

Btw these forums are dead right now, its only seems like me and you are posting lol.

Everyone else is reading... thrilling stuff.

[shankly is god]

its because im bored im replying straight away...im off now anyway...fingers crossed more stuff comes out soon...ill be gutted if im on 2mozz and feck all has been posted...

[StringerBell]

Supposedly we are supposed to get a list of the licensed teams today thats what I'm really waiting for.

[Desijut]

no one's saying anything because there is nothing to say

[chinaman]

LMFAO fifa realistic hahahahahahahahha...

so sami hypia faster than torres is realstic? or how about CL matches not played at night?? oh and wait how about the pinball physics of bumping into everyone not needing to tackle at all...

wow realism at its best

only if the person playing with torres is a noob. I mean I can score a goal after dribbling past 10 players with carragher in pes...

pinball physics, it happens in real life. Better than having no variation in pes.

CL played at night in fifa 10. So what PES still don't have the licenses.

Look, I don't care tbh, I'm just giving my opinion. If you're happy to be ripped off for a game that should have been pes 09, then thats fine by me!

[Baddar]

PLEASE GUYS. No FIFA is shit, PES is awesome talk, or vice versa. Everyone's tired of reading about it.

[iamcanadianeh]

Has there been any word yet as to whether the 360 will have custom music this year like on PS3?

[ar31an]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNn0FdlOYxw

PES 2010 Gameplay n.6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrIyQtHNols

new videos still amatuer players playing but the gameplay and graphics looks nice.

[shaun7]

I am a fan of both games so I can talk.
If fifa 10 is like fifa 09 then hey, it's far from realistic. Too many problems not noticed by some blinded fifa fans.
I already mentioned some that are already enough to prove my point.
But on the bright side, fifa 10's animations are really awesome. Improved over 09 in my opinion. But on the gameplay.
360 is shown yes, good point but there are still some bad points.
Players playing the same game (no individuality), dribbling past defenders is close to impossible (the only way to beat them is with speed, where's the technique? Where's messi effective?). Also the slooowwww response seems to be back. These already make it unrealistic.
But I can only say this from a video. I need to play the full game to see.
As for pes. I already said that I prefer fifa 09 to pes 09.
As for pes 2010.
It looks improved from pes 09 like defending (main issue), AI (another main issue in 09) and in my opinion the animations are improved.
In my opinion I am not slating a game or making the other seem great.
It's just mentioning of good and bad points.
I can't say what's the best pes 10 or fifa 10 atm.

[Rob21C_UK]

This on the PESFan forum from TheBoss:

http://forums.pesfan.com/showpost.php?p=8385559&postcount=239

believe what you want, I know for a fact that GC code was built a few months ago, I can tell by the bugs in it that the ball isn't quite touching the players foot in certain animations. Thats the same as the code we played 2 months ago. That bug isn't present in what we have.

Anyway I'm not going to justify anything, I don't think I'm allowed to comment tbh.

We aren't allowed under any circumstance to show what we have because things like licenses aren't signed yet...which of course could cause huge legal problems. The GC code is heavily stripped down to make sure of legal issues, it also needs to be done months before due to all the checking required from all the bodies. I've requested GC code but I doubt I'll be allowed to talk about it anyway.

Final point the videos you are seeing are a very poor representation of the game, filmed badly, played badly. When we get better footage at a later date I am sure it will improve.

If thats the case then no wonder I can't see 360º dribbling...

[Tech_Skill]

This on the PESFan forum from TheBoss:

http://forums.pesfan.com/showpost.php?p=8385559&postcount=239

believe what you want, I know for a fact that GC code was built a few months ago, I can tell by the bugs in it that the ball isn't quite touching the players foot in certain animations. Thats the same as the code we played 2 months ago. That bug isn't present in what we have.

Anyway I'm not going to justify anything, I don't think I'm allowed to comment tbh.

We aren't allowed under any circumstance to show what we have because things like licenses aren't signed yet...which of course could cause huge legal problems. The GC code is heavily stripped down to make sure of legal issues, it also needs to be done months before due to all the checking required from all the bodies. I've requested GC code but I doubt I'll be allowed to talk about it anyway.

Final point the videos you are seeing are a very poor representation of the game, filmed badly, played badly. When we get better footage at a later date I am sure it will improve.

If thats the case then no wonder I can't see 360º dribbling...

Ohhh my daze, the excuses are just amazing.

Video comes out ="Thats a 50% build"

Second video comes out= "Thats still a 50% build, wait for gamescom"

Playtesters arent that impressed with the 60%-70% code "They havent played the gamescom version of pes thats the proper version with all the animations

Gamescom version looks like pes 2009- "That build was months ago, game is so much different, they had to take some of the shit out for legal reasons.

Next up will be the demo and if thats shit it will be.........

"Thats the 99.9% build, they are gonna add 150 news features in the final version"

When does the shit end?

[shaun7]

^You only mention the bad reviews of pes. Why is that? There were good ones aswell.

[willmo]

how come you can still do unrealisteic 90 degree turns?? i thought we were getting new animations. and the move ment dosen't look 360, and the passing look super assisted.

other than that the graphics look good...oh yeah whats with the running? looks like terminator.

i dont mean to be down on the game because i love pes but where is all the news we were promised today? and how come the game is coming out 3 weeks after fifa?? people will be craving a football game come october and alot of pes fans will get fifa, and you know what, if its any good, who can blame them if they dont swap it for or buy pes when it comes out after the shit we have had from them for the past 3 years on next gen.

[Tech_Skill]

^You only mention the bad reviews of pes. Why is that? There were good ones aswell.

Eurogamer said the difference from the early builds of pes 2010 to the newer ones was quite dramatic, thats good.

IGN said they were considering switching to pes over fifa, that was good for pes fans.

Erik from level 7 said there wasnt that much difference and not to expect big things, and so did the boss from pes fan, after seeing what we saw today, we can see why.

Listen what we have seen today doesnt represent 3 years of effort, im sorry, I just dont buy it at all, do you think what we have seen today was being thought about and worked on back on 2007?

[Robertinho]

To cheer you all up!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThAfFoTMUNI


If this looks better than PES 2010 now than I am England Queen.

No,real Fifa 2010 from what I saw in this video is much behind PES in graphic,players are looking dumb and is very hilarious to watch them,golakeeper is funny.
Only positive thing from Fifa 10 is way they sprint nothing more,in this part they done that way better.

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

To cheer you all up!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThAfFoTMUNI


If this looks better than PES 2010 now than I am England Queen.

No,real Fifa 2010 from what I saw in this video is much behind PES in graphic,players are looking dumb and is very hilarious to watch them,golakeeper is funny.
Only positive thing from Fifa 10 is way they sprint nothing more,in this part they done that way better.


It doesnt work the link, you cant click it.
Doesnt matter works now.

That pitch looks good.

I've been evoiding Fifa videos, trying not to be jealous. But for me that is Fifa 09 with sligth improvements. Not trying to sound biased but PES new things look far more intresting, for me especially the card system which I cant wait to use them.

[john4]

what is the white line below their names?

http://i27.tinypic.com/34pcmt5.jpg

prolly just a white line?like for decoration? the way it fades at both ends suggests its nothing like a powr gauge or stamina tab.

cant find a screenshot of the undershirts in FIFA on their site as somebody has mentioned, but anyways i highly doubt it will be implemented into PES, maybe in a few years time. it would be good as come the cold weather you see so many players wearing these now.

one thing that needs sorting on both games is defo the AI. after a while it becomes too easy to score on both games, not too much of a problem, but the attacking AI sucks so you hardly ever conced. i just finished a FIFA season, winning the prem with Leeds and only conceded 18 goals :/ my last ML season i only conceded 27 :/ generally because of my own mistakes like silly pens or free kicks, never from a stunning passing move, long ranger or solo effort by the AI

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

prolly just a white line?like for decoration? the way it fades at both ends suggests its nothing like a powr gauge or stamina tab.

cant find a screenshot of the undershirts in FIFA on their site as somebody has mentioned, but anyways i highly doubt it will be implemented into PES, maybe in a few years time. it would be good as come the cold weather you see so many players wearing these now.

one thing that needs sorting on both games is defo the AI. after a while it becomes too easy to score on both games, not too much of a problem, but the attacking AI sucks so you hardly ever conced. i just finished a FIFA season, winning the prem with Leeds and only conceded 18 goals :/ my last ML season i only conceded 27 :/ generally because of my own mistakes like silly pens or free kicks, never from a stunning passing move, long ranger or solo effort by the AI

Undershirts need to be implimated into the game.

The AI is poor, they improved them defensively but they have seemed to forgot to improve them ?attackingly?.

[john4]

thats it, i think in the last 3 installments, after about a 20 seasons of ML progressively (from PES6-09) i have saved 1 goal scored by the CPU by the fake ballack. i was just watching the last video, bits of the game do look improved, in prior PES games most people just hold onto the run fast button, and the games could be played like that taking away a solid passing approach, that doesn't quite look the case now. however 2 things disappoint, the ref and his red cards! and the fact we have been stuck with the same 2 sliding animations forever! you know the ones, the standard one and the rare one when its kinda of a tackle from behind/side, where they kinda of hook a leg round and fall over. anyways the main appeal for PES 09 was the multiplayer when round at a mates, although i played FIFA solo more it cant stand up to a social gahthering like PES can. i have mates who dont even like football but will play PES quite happily

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

thats it, i think in the last 3 installments, after about a 20 seasons of ML progressively (from PES6-09) i have saved 1 goal scored by the CPU by the fake ballack. i was just watching the last video, bits of the game do look improved, in prior PES games most people just hold onto the run fast button, and the games could be played like that taking away a solid passing approach, that doesn't quite look the case now. however 2 things disappoint, the ref and his red cards! and the fact we have been stuck with the same 2 sliding animations forever! you know the ones, the standard one and the rare one when its kinda of a tackle from behind/side, where they kinda of hook a leg round and fall over. anyways the main appeal for PES 09 was the multiplayer when round at a mates, although i played FIFA solo more it cant stand up to a social gahthering like PES can. i have mates who dont even like football but will play PES quite happily

I think the slide tackles have improved big tim have you not seen some of them.:shocking:

[ZombiFleshDiet]

I think the slide tackles have improved big time have you not seen some of them.:shocking:

Sadly, the Refs still seem broken. In the videos posted today, i have seen 5 red cards dished out and every single one of them was a ridiculous decision.
This small thing is going to ruin the awesome work they are doing on the ML if it isn't tweaked by release. Why play ML if it looks like you are going to have a player sent off almost every game for making what looks to be a great tackle, only for the striker to take a tumble over you and yo uget a straight red. Terrible bug !
Hasn't everyone been complaining about the useless refs since PES 2008?
Why is this not sorted yet ? So strange !

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

Sadly, the Refs still seem broken. In the videos posted today, i have seen 5 red cards dished out and every single one of them was a ridiculous decision.
This small thing is going to ruin the awesome work they are doing on the ML if it isn't tweaked by release. Why play ML if it looks like you are going to have a player sent off almost every game for making what looks to be a great tackle, only for the striker to take a tumble over you and yo uget a straight red. Terrible bug !
Hasn't everyone been complaining about the useless refs since PES 2008?
Why is this not sorted yet ? So strange !

In the first video below the trailor the first slide would of been a booking or red card in prevous PES games, so then I thought great the referees arent as harsh.

But then two straight reds, the first one (Puyol's) was abit harsh but was a booking atleast, the second one (Abidal's) was definately a red because it was a clear goalscoring oportunity.

[ZombiFleshDiet]

In the first video below the trailor the first slide would of been a booking or red card in prevous PES games, so then I thought great the referees arent as harsh.

But then two straight reds, the first one (Puyol's) was abit harsh but was a booking atleast, the second one (Abidal's) was definately a red because it was a clear goalscoring oportunity.

Were they harsh refs in 2009? i only ask because i never played it. The 1st Pes i never bought ( i'm going right back to even the SNES games of ISS! ) because of the shambles of 2008. I guess you are right, it just looked like the Refs are so willing to dish out Reds instead of yellows to every situation from all the video i have seen ( since Pes2008 ). Is it easier to tackle in 2009, as i guess 2010 will be similar ?

[shankly is god]

only if the person playing with torres is a noob. I mean I can score a goal after dribbling past 10 players with carragher in pes...

pinball physics, it happens in real life. Better than having no variation in pes.

CL played at night in fifa 10. So what PES still don't have the licenses.

Look, I don't care tbh, I'm just giving my opinion. If you're happy to be ripped off for a game that should have been pes 09, then thats fine by me!

I play fifa on pro difficulty so i guess im a massive noob considering 80% of people i talk to play it on semi-pro..and i bet you are one of them.....

if your telling me that on fifa you can run past any defender with anyone then you are more deluded than man city fans....

and you were talking about fifa 09 mate so dont say fifa 10 when you know im right about the crappy attempts EA has made at fifa...sure its entertaining but realistic pfft get real...

pes had the CL an EL license so what you just said was BS and also another thing get off the forum if your only into fifa...

and badar you ever herd of a debate??

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

Were they harsh refs in 2009? i only ask because i never played it. The 1st Pes i never bought ( i'm going right back to even the SNES games of ISS! ) because of the shambles of 2008. I guess you are right, it just looked like the Refs are so willing to dish out Reds instead of yellows to every situation from all the video i have seen ( since Pes2008 ). Is it easier to tackle in 2009, as i guess 2010 will be similar ?

Yes referees were harsh! Red Card slide tackles were/ are more fustrating when you defender does a auto slide in the box, gives away a penalty and gets a straight red.

[Mullet Taylor]

i forgot all about the shite they've ben working on this for 3 years. ack i don't care, the game looks the business :)

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

I play fifa on pro difficulty so i guess im a massive noob considering 80% of people i talk to play it on semi-pro..and i bet you are one of them.....

if your telling me that on fifa you can run past any defender with anyone then you are more deluded than man city fans....

and you were talking about fifa 09 mate so dont say fifa 10 when you know im right about the crappy attempts EA has made at fifa...sure its entertaining but realistic pfft get real...

pes had the CL an EL license so what you just said was BS and also another thing get off the forum if your only into fifa...

and badar you ever herd of a debate??

Yo dont bring City fans into this lol.

If Fifa does have the Champions League then they should say to them if you have that aswell as us then we want the P remier League license with you.

P.S- Did you see the United score lmfao.

[shankly is god]

^^ yea sorry but i hate some man city fans who say " yea the league is ours" or "its like watching brazil watching us" you havent won a trophey in 13 years and you think you can get anyone you want.......i wish all the luck to city i dont mind them at all....now getting back to the subject who is that fifa fan boy calling a noob he knows very well im right but due to some loyalty to lazy EA he wont hear it....

he talks about fifa 09 which is already out and i mention my opinion and he reverts to fifa 10....

any new news out for pes 2010 ??

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

^^ yea sorry but i hate some man city fans who say " yea the league is ours" or "its like watching brazil watching us" you havent won a trophey in 13 years and you think you can get anyone you want.......i wish all the luck to city i dont mind them at all....now getting back to the subject who is that fifa fan boy calling a noob he knows very well im right but due to some loyalty to lazy EA he wont hear it....

he talks about fifa 09 which is already out and i mention my opinion and he reverts to fifa 10....

any new news out for pes 2010 ??

Ano, the league isn't ours yet!

Seabass had a interveiw on winningelevenblog.

Thats about unfortuantly, I wonder what happened to the the team list we were aspoissed to get today, as usual news that hasnt turned up.

Oh and the front cover on there to.

[shankly is god]

?? please do elaborate.... front cover?? team sheet?? WTF you on about man ha ha

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

?? please do elaborate.... front cover?? team sheet?? WTF you on about man ha ha

Oh sorry I meant Team List (all the teams in the game), and the front cover is out.

Sorry for confusion........I confuse myself sometimes lol.

[shankly is god]

ok ok thats awesome...fair play but what i want and im sure others do tooo is the player faces of the prem.....where all the players in edit mode are shown so we can see what a fantastic job konami have done to make the players look like them selvs...unlike fifa's frankenstiens

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

ok ok thats awesome...fair play but what i want and im sure others do tooo is the player faces of the prem.....where all the players in edit mode are shown so we can see what a fantastic job konami have done to make the players look like them selvs...unlike fifa's frankenstiens

Yup I need more news, screenshots and videos, all I have been doing is looking at the videos over and over again just looking in closer detail the improvements, the flaws etc.

[shankly is god]

yea ha ha...you know the line up im talking about tho yea...its bee done for like the past 2 years i think..... every player in all eng teams...then spanish etc im loving the liverpool vids where no one goes liverpool and always scores against them ha ha

must be playing on noobie amature

[Alolo91]

Here is the Teams List:

INTERNATIONAL TEAMS

Europe 34 teams

Austria
Belgium
Bosnia And Herzegovina
Bulgaria
Croatia
Czech Republic
Denmark
England
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Hungry
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Montenegro
Netherlands
Northern Ireland
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Russia
Scotland
Serbia
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Turkey
Ukraine
Wales

Africa (13 teams)

Angola
Cameroon
Cote D’Ivoire
Egypt
Ghana
Guinea
Mali
Morocco
Nigeria
Senegal
South Africa
Togo
Tunisia

The Americas (16 teams)

Canada
Costa Rica
Honduras
Mexico
Trinidad And Tobago
United States
Argentina
Bolivia
Brazil
Chile
Columbia
Ecuador
Paraguay
Peru
Uruguay
Venezuela

Asia/Oceania (16 teams)

Australia
Bahrain
China
Iran
Iraq
Japan
Kuwait
North Korea
Oman
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
South Korea
Syria
Thailand
UAE
Uzbekistan

CLUB TEAMS

English League = 19 teams - Manchester United and Liverpool licensed.
French League = 19 teams - Ligue 1 - Fully licensed
Italian League = 19 teams - Calcio - Filly licensed
Dutch League = 17 teams - Eredivisie - Fully licensed
Spanish League = 19 teams - Athletic Bilbao, Barcelona, Deportivo La Coruna, Espanyol, Athletico Madrid, Real Madrid, Real Mallorca, Sevilla, Valencia, Villarreal licensed.

Other Leagues A (56 teams)

Anderlecht
Club Brugge
Standard De Liege
Dinamo Zagreb
Slavia Praha
Sparta Praha
Brondby IF
F.C. Copenhagen
HJK Helsinki
A.E.K. Athens
Olympiakos
Panathinaikos
Marchidegna (fake name)
PAOK
Rosenborg
Huerpojauza C.F (fake name)
Wisla Krakow
SL Benfica
S.C. Braga
FC Porto
Sporting
Dinamo Bucuresti
CFR Cluj
FC Cerchizmajiu (fake name)
Ugonalce (fake name)
Alashergokh F.C. (fake name)
F.C. Kolugavinsk (fake name)
F.K. Ljemorac (fake name)
PFC Ryagzhilograd (fake name)
Lokomotiv Moscow
Spartak Moscow
Zenit St. Petersburg
Aberdeen
Celtic
Hearts
Rangers
FK Crvena Zvezda
AIK
IFK Goteborg
Hammarby Fotboll
Kalmar FF
FC Basel
A.S. Punoichongaux (fake name)
Besiktas
Fenerbahce
Galatasaray
Sivasspor
MFK Trnolevoce (fake name)
Shakhtar Donetsk
FK Metalist Kharkiv
Dynami Kyiv
Boca Juniors
River Plate
SC Internacional
PES United
WE United

Other Leagues B = 17 teams - empty

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

yea ha ha...you know the line up im talking about tho yea...its bee done for like the past 2 years i think..... every player in all eng teams...then spanish etc im loving the liverpool vids where no one goes liverpool and always scores against them ha ha

must be playing on noobie amature

I cant say anything about people playing on Amatuer because I played on that until 2008, now I only play on Regular, because that is all I am, I am not good at the game.

I am going to get slagged off for that. Oh well.

P.S- Added you on Xbox mate.

[shankly is god]

I cant say anything about people playing on Amatuer because I played on that until 2008, now I only play on Regular, because that is all I am, I am not good at the game.

I am going to get slagged off for that. Oh well.

P.S- Added you on Xbox mate.

yea i just accepted it like..... but yea i play regular as i like to win 100% but also like the cpu to score now and again against me...


alo thats one hell of a teams list jesus looking awesome...but la liga not fully licensed again this year :(

and why does the Itialian league constantly change its name

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

yea i just accepted it like..... but yea i play regular as i like to win 100% but also like the cpu to score now and again against me...


alo thats one hell of a teams list jesus looking awesome...but la liga not fully licensed again this year :(

and why does the Itialian league constantly change its name

Oh yes some more news!

Aberdeen and Hearts added thats great.
Northern Ireland still licensed great. Its hectic on Wales not getting licensed as usual.

I wonder who the fake named teams are.

I am now exited again.

[shankly is god]

alolo just mentioned one there

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

alolo just mentioned one there

They must be the Bundesliga teams since EA have the license....Well thats my guess.

[shankly is god]

maybe...they did say that all CL EL teams are there and german teams are certianly there...

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

maybe...they did say that all CL EL teams are there and german teams are certianly there...

Yeah I'd say it was the Budesliga teams.........Which ones?.......Exciting









I would like Bayern Munich, Werder Bremen, Hamberg, Dzekos team cant remember the name, Shalke. I am sure there is more just cant think right now.

[genexsis]

just got yellow carded at pesfan for giving my opinion... like many others lol

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

Wait till you hear these groups in European Championship in my Barcelona Master League, not my groups.

Liverpool
Manchester United
A.C Milan
Inter Milan


PSV
Chelsea
Arsenal
Everton

So unrealistic.

[Dundon's]

Just for comparrison - and not to sound like a fanboy - then here's a FIFA10 vid.
http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_fifa_10_gamescom_gamepl ay-12434_en.html

The animations just look sooo much better. Look at how many different animations there are when Ibrahimovic starts his dribble-raid at around the 12 min. mark on the gameclock! Everytime he touches the ball it's a new way he does it?!

Luckily for Konami, EA thus far, hasn't been able to nail those player individualities. If they'll get that part of the game right, I think it'll be a huge nail in the Konami coffin... :crymore:

FIFA does look more organic at this stage.

Regardless how bad PES is FIFA is still the worst looking piece of shit out there, the players look like they're floating around the pitch and I HATE their collision/turning animations. The shots have always sucked and this will never change because it's built for average gamers who just want to run at the keeper, press shoot and score.

Now log out and don't ever come back.

[danzine]

just got yellow carded at pesfan for giving my opinion... like many others lol

looool and they deleted ya post



has anything been said about BAL as this mode has so so much potential or do i have to wait till next year

[shankly is god]

Regardless how bad PES is FIFA is still the worst looking piece of shit out there, the players look like they're floating around the pitch and I HATE their collision/turning animations. The shots have always sucked and this will never change because it's built for average gamers who just want to run at the keeper press shoot and score.

Now log out and don't ever come back.

i really dont get how people are so deluded..... how the hell can they say fifa is realistic... it just beggers belief

[Dundon's]

i really dont get how people are so deluded..... how the hell can they say fifa is realistic... it just beggers belief

It's realistic in their world, where ever that is.

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

It's realistic in their world, where ever that is.

I think its called Fifa's Shite.

New HQ video out winningelevenblog.com

[Hunter]

No one noticed that in the post on the previous page, it says "19 Premier League teams"? I only received a grade C in Mathematics GCSE, but I'm pretty sure 1 is missing there. I just hope it's a mistype, and I completely presume it's a mistype as there would be no reason to leave out a fake English team.

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

No one noticed that in the post on the previous page, it says "19 England League teams"? I only received a grade C in Mathematics GCSE, but I'm pretty sure 1 is missing there. I just hope it's a mistype, and I completely presume it's a mistype as there would be no reason to leave out a fake English team.

I would say mistype aswell.

In winningelevenblog it says 20 teams.

[Alolo91]

No one noticed that in the post on the previous page, it says "19 England League teams"? I only received a grade C in Mathematics GCSE, but I'm pretty sure 1 is missing there. I just hope it's a mistype, and I completely presume it's a mistype as there would be no reason to leave out a fake English team.

It's wrong. Adam has fixed it now.

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

It's wrong. Adam has fixed it now.

Here mate, you are awesome at getting info for us, keep it up. You have been posting all the info, but we havent got your opinion.

So, what do you think about PES 2010?

[Alolo91]

Here mate, you are awesome at getting info for us, keep it up. You have been posting all the info, but we havent got your opinion.

So, what do you think about PES 2010?

Thanks for the kind words. I really really like it very much. Can't wait for it, but some animations sucks. Especially the passing animation when the player is standing still. That weird Sliding tackle animation is still there too from PES 2009. I have a lot to say but my english isn't so good. :D

[StringerBell]

Bosnia is in!!!! And Angola is back!!! With all the added national teams it will be incredibly easy this time around to make the Bundesliga. I really ca't wait to own ppl online with Dzeko, Misimovic and Ibiesivic !!!

Also the chance to have a proper African cup is a big plus

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

Thanks for the kind words. I really really like it very much. Can't wait for it, but some animations sucks. Especially the passing animation when the player is standing still. That weird Sliding tackle animation is still there too from PES 2009. I have a lot to say but my english isn't so good. :D

I have thought I have seen a new tackling animation but I am not that sure.

[Hunter]

I have thought I have seen a new tackling animation but I am not that sure.

Yeah, I've definitely noticed a new sliding animation, it was in the first gameplay video from Gamescom (probably the first in the thread). The last ditch lunge for the ball in the penalty area, it looked great to be honest.

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

Yeah, I've definitely noticed a new sliding animation, it was in the first gameplay video from Gamescom (probably the first in the thread). The last ditch lunge for the ball in the penalty area, it looked great to be honest.

It did look great, being a defender myself, I was on a hard on.

[soc160]

Anyone notice how small the players in fifa look in comparision with the pitch...

[Alolo91]

I have thought I have seen a new tackling animation but I am not that sure.

Now i remember!! I really like that animation and the new shooting animation from Benzema's goal.

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

Now i remember!! I really like that animation and the new shooting animation from Benzema's goal.

Yup, PES is going to be back, if not 2010 (probably not, as I keep saying a stepping stone/ building block), but probably 2011 they have the foundation to do it.

[shankly is god]

Benzema goal....i maybe missing the plot but wtf

[Alolo91]

Yup, PES is going to be back, if not 2010 (probably not, as I keep saying a stepping stone/ building block), but probably 2011 they have the foundation to do it.

I hoping for this year it will be back as a King. But i agree on what you said. The good news is, i heard that Konami has lot animations left to implent

[Die Hard Pes Fan]

I hoping for this year it will be back as a King. But i agree on what you said. The good news is, i heard that Konami has lot animations left to implent

Good people were slating it because we were aspoised to get more animations, so I am glad this true.

[Jamal99]

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me...... PES community are naive I'm going to be honest and keep it 100:
(If you are easily offended then don't read from this point on)

I saw this coming from miles away and I can't understand why people are acting surprised.
This is just another overcoat how long will they keep covering the flaws? The engine is broken no matter how hard they try integrate, improve and expand the core is broken they need to build from the ground up.

The engine was designed to run on the PS2 and did so excellently and produced the best and most realistic football game to date Pro evolution 6 (WE7).

People are kidding themselves if you think the next gen effort comes even close to the games that were produced on the PS2.
How ridiculous is that when considering the PS3 is 10 times as powerful and gives you options the PS2 does not have.

And please don't take WENB words as gospel the owner of the site is a lowlife bias clown his name is Adam this is the same guy who said PES08 "runs beautifully" and "PES09 is as good as the PS2 games" then he will later contradict himself and say next year is the real deal.......
Watch in a few more months he will do it again.

Dude gets treated to a free meal by a Konami exec and gets to play the latest build early which clouds his judgment It's hard hearing this dude giggling like a school girl and sounding constipated.
Dude is full of shit and I don't know him personally but I would jump out of a moving car to drop kick him.

In all seriousness you can't share your honest opinion I've visited their forum and it is full of clowns riding him and cheering him on with their pom poms pathetic and pitiful some guy got banned for requesting Konami replace the terrible manual passing with the skill system back to right analogue and he said the skills did not concern him and banned him.

His partner though Suff sounds more honest and humble so take that for what it is.

Konami doesn't put food on mine or your table and we don't owe them anything so lets be honest the game looks and plays horribly I could care less about how realistic the player faces are that is just an added bonus.

The game really has lost its magic from the PS2 days.

[StringerBell]

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me...... PES community are naive I'm going to be honest and keep it 100:
(If you are easily offended then don't read from this point on)

I saw this coming from miles away and I can't understand why people are acting surprised.
This is just another overcoat how long will they keep covering the flaws? The engine is broken no matter how hard they try integrate, improve and expand the core is broken they need to build from the ground up.

The engine was designed to run on the PS2 and did so excellently and produced the best and most realistic football game to date Pro evolution 6 (WE7).

People are kidding themselves if you think the next gen effort comes even close to the games that were produced on the PS2.
How ridiculous is that when considering the PS3 is 10 times as powerful and gives you options the PS2 does not have.

And please don't take WENB words as gospel the owner of the site is a lowlife bias clown his name is Adam this is the same guy who said PES08 "runs beautifully" and "PES09 is as good as the PS2 games" then he will later contradict himself and say next year is the real deal.......
Watch in a few more months he will do it again.

Dude gets treated to a free meal by a Konami exec and gets to play the latest build early which clouds his judgment It's hard hearing this dude giggling like a school girl and sounding constipated.
Dude is full of shit and I don't know him personally but I would jump out of a moving car to drop kick him.

In all seriousness you can't share your honest opinion I've visited their forum and it is full of clowns riding him and cheering him on with their pom poms pathetic and pitiful some guy got banned for requesting Konami replace the terrible manual passing with the skill system back to right analogue and he said the skills did not concern him and banned him.

His partner though Suff sounds more honest and humble so take that for what it is.

Konami doesn't put food on mine or your table and we don't owe them anything so lets be honest the game looks and plays horribly I could care less about how realistic the player faces are that is just an added bonus.

The game really has lost its magic from the PS2 days.

Okay i read what you wrote *gasp* it just sounds like your blowing off steam. Your only point is basicly the engine is whats wrong with this game which according to you plays horribly. So my question is what team did you play as in the demo? I might respect and take you rant a little more seriously if you actually played the game. For the record im not praising this game but im certainly not basing it either. The reason is I havent played it yet neither have you.

[proevofan88]

Has anyone seen this video? ( it takes a bit to load )

http://multiplayer.it/video/pro-evolution-soccer-2010-per-ps3/pro-evolution-soccer-2010-pes-2010-videoanteprima-gamescom-2009.hi/

Yeh the difference is not 'TOTALLY NEW GAME' but its HUGE. Honestly, I think its a very big difference. It looks like a football match now. The animations ( while not life-like as FIFAs ) are very noticeable and better...

am I the only one seeing this?

@ Tech 2 things:

1- Yes, the 'BUILDS' excuses are getting on my nerves too..

2- You mentioned something about FIFA never incorporating CARDS into their game...not 100% sure but didnt ULTIMATE TEAM have cards?

[Jamal99]

Okay i read what you wrote *gasp* it just sounds like your blowing off steam. Your only point is basicly the engine is whats wrong with this game which according to you plays horribly. So my question is what team did you play as in the demo? I might respect and take you rant a little more seriously if you actually played the game. For the record im not praising this game but im certainly not basing it either. The reason is I havent played it yet neither have you.
I've played it, it's called PES09 like I said somewhere else:
I'm just being honest my man........ I love Pro evo the PS2 versions but you couldn't pay me to say that the next gen editions are good games.

I was being hopeful last year even after seeing the videos at Leipzig and I believed in the 50/60% codes BS and then realized after playing the demo it was just hype.
Like the saying goes fool me once.......

Hopefully more people voice their opinions maybe Konami then will make a true next gen game. (I doubt it though)

[shaun7]

^Wait, and play it and then comment how bad it is because:
The difference is pretty notable between pes 10 videos and pes 09 first videos. It's just so more difficult to score in pes 10 according to the videos even in a 2 player match, you need skill to score. Or at least fool the opponent and score unlike in pes 09.

[proevofan88]

I've played it, it's called PES09 like I said somewhere else:
I'm just being honest my man........ I love Pro evo the PS2 versions but you couldn't pay me to say that the next gen editions are good games.

I was being hopeful last year even after seeing the videos at Leipzig and I believed in the 50/60% codes BS and then realized after playing the demo it was just hype.
Like the saying goes fool me once.......

Hopefully more people voice their opinions maybe Konami then will make a true next gen game. (I doubt it though)


Opinion is opinion. I cant take that away from you.

I just hope you are not thinking that FIFA10 will be a big imrpovement.

We rightfully slate pes. Why not FIFA?

When will FIFA get individuality?
When will FIFA have longevity and be fun to play for more than a month?
When will FIFA be as customizable?
When will FIFA be as responsive?
When will we feel a difference between 'barcelona' and 'Wigan' in FIFA?

Those are question we should be asking ourselves...

[Jamal99]

Opinion is opinion. I cant take that away from you.

I just hope you are not thinking that FIFA10 will be a big imrpovement.

We rightfully slate pes. Why not FIFA?

When will FIFA get individuality?
When will FIFA have longevity and be fun to play for more than a month?
When will FIFA be as customizable?
When will FIFA be as responsive?
When will we feel a difference between 'barcelona' and 'Wigan' in FIFA?

Those are question we should be asking ourselves...
Personally I don't care for FIFA bolded is one of the reasons why C/P:

I've tried my best to like FIFA 09 I even tried to put my friends and family on to it (we all grew up on pro evolution) but really it just doesn't give you the level of freedom the PS2 pro evo games do.
Not to mention the ball physics are horrible i.e floaty.

I just need a good next gen football game so I can finally put Pro evo 6 (Winning Eleven 2007) away.

[shaun7]

proevofan: Excactly what I said in my other post. But I also added the dribbling part where in fifa it's close to impossible to dribble past a player and actually fool the defender. In reality it happens. Even with a simple well timed feint from a mediocore dribbler. Where in fifa 09 the defenders aren't beaten, not even with messi. You have to use speed to beat defenders not technique.

[proevofan88]

Personally I don't care for FIFA bolded is one of the reasons why C/P:

I've tried my best to like FIFA 09 I even tried to put my friends and family on to it (we all grew up on pro evolution) but really it just doesn't give you the level of freedom the PS2 pro evo games do.
Not to mention the ball physics are horrible i.e floaty.

I just need a good next gen football game so I can finally put Pro evo 6 (Winning Eleven 2007) away.

Got it!

PES6 is really THE game of games.

@ Shaun

Completely agree about the dribbling aspect.

BTW - have you seen that video I posted a few posts ago? I thought it was impressive.

[proevofan88]

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me...... PES community are naive I'm going to be honest and keep it 100:
(If you are easily offended then don't read from this point on)

I saw this coming from miles away and I can't understand why people are acting surprised.
This is just another overcoat how long will they keep covering the flaws? The engine is broken no matter how hard they try integrate, improve and expand the core is broken they need to build from the ground up.

The engine was designed to run on the PS2 and did so excellently and produced the best and most realistic football game to date Pro evolution 6 (WE7).

People are kidding themselves if you think the next gen effort comes even close to the games that were produced on the PS2.
How ridiculous is that when considering the PS3 is 10 times as powerful and gives you options the PS2 does not have.

And please don't take WENB words as gospel the owner of the site is a lowlife bias clown his name is Adam this is the same guy who said PES08 "runs beautifully" and "PES09 is as good as the PS2 games" then he will later contradict himself and say next year is the real deal.......
Watch in a few more months he will do it again.

Dude gets treated to a free meal by a Konami exec and gets to play the latest build early which clouds his judgment It's hard hearing this dude giggling like a school girl and sounding constipated.
Dude is full of shit and I don't know him personally but I would jump out of a moving car to drop kick him.

In all seriousness you can't share your honest opinion I've visited their forum and it is full of clowns riding him and cheering him on with their pom poms pathetic and pitiful some guy got banned for requesting Konami replace the terrible manual passing with the skill system back to right analogue and he said the skills did not concern him and banned him.

His partner though Suff sounds more honest and humble so take that for what it is.

Konami doesn't put food on mine or your table and we don't owe them anything so lets be honest the game looks and plays horribly I could care less about how realistic the player faces are that is just an added bonus.

The game really has lost its magic from the PS2 days.

I agree with the parts in bold. You really cant give your honest opinion on that site.


I dont play PES2009 nor FIFA2009 but in all honesty PES2010 ( from the video that I posted ) looks good to me. How can people not see difference?

[shaun7]

proevofan, Yes I saw that video and it is impressive. It is on regular difficulty and yet the AI is harder, smarter and better positioned. The difference between that and pes 09 is clearly visible. I know about the mistake that the AI made when gerrard was clearly in offside and yet it passed the ball to him, but then again it was on regular. On the other hand, when there was that great pass from one side to another. The AI noticed the gap the human player made by mistake (by taking out the wrong player) and the ball was given to him from the air. That was impressive play.
The difference is really obvious. This game (pes 2010) is clearly much better than 2009 from the videos so far.

[StringerBell]

proevofan, Yes I saw that video and it is impressive. It is on regular difficulty and yet the AI is harder, smarter and better positioned. The difference between that and pes 09 is clearly visible. I know about the mistake that the AI made when gerrard was clearly in offside and yet it passed the ball to him, but then again it was on regular. On the other hand, when there was that great pass from one side to another. The AI noticed the gap the human player made by mistake (by taking out the wrong player) and the ball was given to him from the air. That was impressive play.
The difference is really obvious. This game (pes 2010) is clearly much better than 2009 from the videos so far.

What I really cant get over is the poeple that call this game shit without even playing it. You don't hear poeple saying this is the best game out there becasue they obv havent played it. So why do people write the game off without even giving it a try? I would like to hear Amateur's views on whats been reveled thus far he always wrote some in-depth stuff when it came to dissecting PES.

[R9NALD9]

By the teams list released it seems that there will be 4 leagues only in ML again...that's it really. I enjoyed PES09 for quite some time, but the same shit over and over again just doesn't cut it.

The gameplay of PES09 was enjoyable, but I'm sick and tired of only 4 leagues in ML, it makes everything repetitive. At least there is a lot more depth this year, but I'm sorry, I want to feel as if my team is represented in the football world. Why can't they just add 2 leagues or something. Maybe they did, but I highly doubt it.

I'll take a guess, and say that the rating system after matches will be just as shite as always, which will make ML pointless again as only attacking players can develop decently. I'm sick of this shit.

Sure the graphics look good, sure there is a lot more depth. But I want to develop my WHOLE team, defenders and goalies included, to superstars. I won't touch, and didnt' do last year, BAL since the rating system is fucked.

Fifa isn't perfect, but at least they don't promise us the world and give us retarded shit. A week ago I was waaaay more excited about PES than Fifa, but after seeing the gameplay movies, it's fifa for me sorry.

[shaun7]

^Wel fifa also promised alot of stuff and from the videos, it seems like there is nothing. 360 movement is looking good though.
But I won't bash it before I play it. Same goes for pes. I'll play them both and then comment on which is best.
As for the ML. Be sick and tired all you want because that's it. We cannot do anything about it. Be HAPPY that after all these years, the ML has taken 3 huge steps forward.
Europa league
Champions league
Realistic managment
For me, a years work in the ML with those 3 steps is enough. It's already much better than previous attempts.

[Schulzki]

This says it all, reaction from Adam, the guy who tells every year this is gonna be it.
I'm shocked about this comment, this just means Konami isn't able to give us a next-gen footie in 4 years time!


I think if konami don't get it right this year, I will break down and cry.

No but seriously, I think Seabass will probably get one more year. The community effort started this year, and while the graphics are unbelievable, I think the gameplay will be fully refined next year - complete with community feedback.

PES 2010 looks like its going to be very good overall, but I find myself looking more and more to PES 2011. Not ideal.

[Schulzki]

Another comment from Gamescon:

OK I'll tell you this, the public reception so far has been very very negative.

Just got a call from Adam from XGB and he said fans are running towards PES to play, then quickly stopping and turning away. Main issues? RESPONSE TIMES.

I'm concerned. Not for the overall quality, as I can't see Konami releasing the game like that, but for the damage they are doing showing a code like that at a public showing.


This is getting hilarious, Konami are doing it all over again. What's up with these guys?

[FIORE_FAN]

Regardless how bad PES is FIFA is still the worst looking piece of shit out there, the players look like they're floating around the pitch and I HATE their collision/turning animations. The shots have always sucked and this will never change because it's built for average gamers who just want to run at the keeper, press shoot and score.

Now log out and don't ever come back.

What's your problem - really?!?!
If you'd noticed I've been a member on this site a longer time than you, and you are really one of the old guys in here, since you signed up before 2008!?!
I was just showing a FIFA vid. for comparison reasons on the animations!? Since we've been promised "out of this world" animations for PES this year, I thought it would be good to compare them with FIFA's ditto...
I don't think that the new animations in PES is out of this world - yet! I do, though, think that the animations in FIFA look way better! That doesn't mean it's a better game - and as far as I know - I haven't stated that anywhere!?
So honestly, and once again: What the hell is your problem, with that retarded statement about logging out and never come back?
Fine if you think that FIFA is worst looking piece of shit out there - but a whole lot in here, still wish that PES could have animations like FIFA (- that actually includes Seabass himself) - but I don't go slacking you for your oppinion!
Hell - it's just a game!

[Pantilimon]

Except improved ball physics and graphics there is nothing new or special in this game.The goalkeepers are still moving with the light speed and the gloves are the same only the colour changed in black.

[byondthought]

Another comment from Gamescon:

OK I'll tell you this, the public reception so far has been very very negative.

Just got a call from Adam from XGB and he said fans are running towards PES to play, then quickly stopping and turning away. Main issues? RESPONSE TIMES.

I'm concerned. Not for the overall quality, as I can't see Konami releasing the game like that, but for the damage they are doing showing a code like that at a public showing.


This is getting hilarious, Konami are doing it all over again. What's up with these guys?

Oh dear, i wonder if its havin the same probs as Fifa 08/09 had with its responsiveness, it took them 2 years to get it right (if you believe storys that fifa10 has it fixed) God, how long would it take Konami to fix..!!!