stop Complaining

[championsleag]

Wow every thread boo hoo, boo hoo, everyone plays with same teams, I can't win, I never play with a big team, usually i play with benfica, and I have a 620 rating, i beat all big teams, with no cut backs, no garbage. I play the right way, build up play, strong defense. You have to learn tactics, switch your formation, play counter attacking futbol at times. Man, stop crying, and making excuses. The only thing that i read that is legit, is the lag, (cheaters). It is sooo easy to defend the cut backs (U must use your goal keeper). Man up, stop crying and makin excuses. I'm going to start a online league, with table, wins and losses, no point system, all teams availible, one condition, once that team is takin its gone.

[DIECI]

Wow every thread boo hoo, boo hoo, everyone plays with same teams, I can't win, I never play with a big team, usually i play with benfica, and I have a 620 rating, i beat all big teams, with no cut backs, no garbage. I play the right way, build up play, strong defense. You have to learn tactics, switch your formation, play counter attacking futbol at times. Man, stop crying, and making excuses. The only thing that i read that is legit, is the lag, (cheaters). It is sooo easy to defend the cut backs (U must use your goal keeper). Man up, stop crying and makin excuses. I'm going to start a online league, with table, wins and losses, no point system, all teams availible, one condition, once that team is takin its gone.

I agree with you 100% I dont care what team I play against! Im so used to defending the super players like Ronaldo Messi etc that it really doesnt bother me! I tell you what, I played 6 games last night all against Real Madrid... I won 5 and tied 1....I used AC Milan and Inter So theyre not UNBEATTALBE!

[championsleag]

half the time these guys don't even know how to play the game, if you knw how to play pes, the team is secondary. online is always fun no matter what team, cuz you are playing a person. Man i love playing real, and beating them 2-0

[Blaz00r]

I tell you what, I played 6 games last night all against Real Madrid... I won 5 and tied 1....I used AC Milan and Inter So theyre not UNBEATTALBE!

Who ever said they weren't beatable? I always beat those faggots with Bordeaux, so what? It's just fucking annoying to play the same teams agaaain and agaaaain and agaain (and I'm not even talking about playing the same tactic all the time - pass to Messi/Ronaldo and ruuuuuuuuuun).

[douglas93]

I agree that most people who choose barca/real only have one tactic, frustration is they keep trying same thing and they only have to get away with it once...

[dapluto]

half the time these guys don't even know how to play the game, if you knw how to play pes, the team is secondary. online is always fun no matter what team, cuz you are playing a person. Man i love playing real, and beating them 2-0
first bit is not true..if TWO people know how to play the game then the teams are not secondary
interesting...you say that you beat all big teams with benfica and you dont use no cutbacks and no garbage ...by garbage do you mean the early cross...the indirect freekick into the goal, the loong balls and the long shots? cause they all have thier PES glitches LOL

im interested to see your league..i take it that when you start it up you WONT be a big team but rather you will be benfica, unaltered?

i'm in though apparently i need to "open " my ports or something?....

[DIECI]

I pounded the hell out of this loser last night... He picked Barca and said "hello" and I replied, "good luck trying to run with Messi, lol".... He replied "we'll see"
I beat his ass 5-0 and was going for more but ran out of time! I had 20 shots on gol he had 2. Neither one with Messi or Ibra. I saved the highlights because my goals were really class... How can I post them here for you guys to enjoy?

[DIECI]

first bit is not true..if TWO people know how to play the game then the teams are not secondary
interesting...you say that you beat all big teams with benfica and you dont use no cutbacks and no garbage ...by garbage do you mean the early cross...the indirect freekick into the goal, the loong balls and the long shots? cause they all have thier PES glitches LOL

im interested to see your league..i take it that when you start it up you WONT be a big team but rather you will be benfica, unaltered?

i'm in though apparently i need to "open " my ports or something?....

When I play even matched teams I play the right way... When I run into some idiot using Barca or Real all bets are off... I'll do it all, cutbacks (which are not cheese IMO because if you know what you're doing on defense you could stop them since you know theyre coming). People need to leard how to defend, whether its cutbacks, Messi sprinting, early crosses what not. They re all defensible if you know how to play defense! The only time your defense should fail you is when you have button lag, other than that there are no excuses. Plus im tired of the cutback cheese bs! I see teams in do them all the time! I even posted some Youtube links of Barca scoring with cutbacks, Italy in the 2002 WC and more. Just DEFEND, its the funnest part of the game for me honesly!

[Kubi_KZ]

half the time these guys don't even know how to play the game, if you knw how to play pes, the team is secondary. online is always fun no matter what team, cuz you are playing a person. Man i love playing real, and beating them 2-0

Here is an excerpt of a similar discussion I had before.

Being able to teach a lesson once in a while is fun yes, I do it too.

However, [B]having to teach them a lesson every single time hurts.

Have nearly been doing nothing else since PES 2008 online.

The level and quality of online games could be improved if people can be forced to choose teams without superstars that can run around the pitch and walk in the goal.

Honestly, I find it hard to believe that someone has never said to themselves "why do they always choose barca".

Note that barca here is a metaphor for all the top teams.

If every now and then you just wish you could play against an average team, [an option to prevent this] could just be enabled once and then switched off again.

Regards

[DIECI]

Here is an excerpt of a similar discussion I had before.

I understand it could get boring to play the same teams over and over again but its the way it is, people tend to pick big teams, teams that win championships and are in the spotlight more than the lesser teams. This is not a PES phenomena, go play NBA2k10, most games will be against Cleveland or the Lakers.

[Blaz00r]

When I play even matched teams I play the right way... When I run into some idiot using Barca or Real all bets are off... I'll do it all, cutbacks (which are not cheese IMO because if you know what you're doing on defense you could stop them since you know theyre coming). People need to leard how to defend, whether its cutbacks, Messi sprinting, early crosses what not. They re all defensible if you know how to play defense! The only time your defense should fail you is when you have button lag, other than that there are no excuses. Plus im tired of the cutback cheese bs! I see teams in do them all the time! I even posted some Youtube links of Barca scoring with cutbacks, Italy in the 2002 WC and more. Just DEFEND, its the funnest part of the game for me honesly!

Ok, so you are the best PES player in the world, fine?

Let me tell you something, there is no way of defending cutbacks because the cursor switching AI in the game is crap and often don't switch to the player you wanted to, so even if in your head you know how to defend cutbacks (sure, its EASY, just switch to the defender that is inside the box and cover the player the cut back goes to), but most of the times it will end up in a goal because it won't switch to the player you wanted (most of the times it will switch to the player that is chasing the cutbacking player from behind).
Same with early crosses, there is pretty much nothing you can do because the defenders become a bunch of retards and the keeper just stands there watching the ball flies right next to him (and even if you press triangle like mad he only goes out after couple of seconds and its too late), so don't tell people they "need need to learn how to defend", scoring most of those goals is using the exploits of the game.

[sniper09]

half the time these guys don't even know how to play the game, if you knw how to play pes, the team is secondary. online is always fun no matter what team, cuz you are playing a person. Man i love playing real, and beating them 2-0

Yeah, and what happens if the guy does know how to play and picks Real and you pick Benfica? Chances are you'll get your ass owned.

You heard the saying " a good big boxer will beat a good little boxer", well the same applies here. A good big team player will beat a good little team player.

Beating a shitty Real or Barca player is piss easy, try beating someone 650 plus with those teams. It's tough, especially when the game is scripted and has your own defenders kicking the ball against themselves and scoring own goals.

[sniper09]

When I play even matched teams I play the right way... When I run into some idiot using Barca or Real all bets are off... I'll do it all, cutbacks (which are not cheese IMO because if you know what you're doing on defense you could stop them since you know theyre coming). People need to leard how to defend, whether its cutbacks, Messi sprinting, early crosses what not. They re all defensible if you know how to play defense! The only time your defense should fail you is when you have button lag, other than that there are no excuses. Plus im tired of the cutback cheese bs! I see teams in do them all the time! I even posted some Youtube links of Barca scoring with cutbacks, Italy in the 2002 WC and more. Just DEFEND, its the funnest part of the game for me honesly!

So how do you defend Ronaldo when you slide tackle him, connect and he somehow still keeps the ball? You can't barge him off it. The guy has bodybuilder strength and Usain Bolt pace. Tried man marking, it works with the crappy players. Does nothing against the good players

[Kubi_KZ]

I invite you all to take part in this poll:

http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=76206

It is relevant to the topic of this thread (about barca boys etc). Your participation might be vital to the survival of PES..

Cheers

PS. Please take time to read at least the first post till the end!

[DIECI]

Ok, so you are the best PES player in the world, fine?

Let me tell you something, there is no way of defending cutbacks because the cursor switching AI in the game is crap and often don't switch to the player you wanted to, so even if in your head you know how to defend cutbacks (sure, its EASY, just switch to the defender that is inside the box and cover the player the cut back goes to), but most of the times it will end up in a goal because it won't switch to the player you wanted (most of the times it will switch to the player that is chasing the cutbacking player from behind).
Same with early crosses, there is pretty much nothing you can do because the defenders become a bunch of retards and the keeper just stands there watching the ball flies right next to him (and even if you press triangle like mad he only goes out after couple of seconds and its too late), so don't tell people they "need need to learn how to defend", scoring most of those goals is using the exploits of the game.

Im not the best player in the world and I dont claim to be but I know how to defend. As for cutbacks, early crosses etc... I try to prevent them before they happen or.....

DEFENDING CUTBACKS : an simple way to defend them is this.... you pressure the dribbler with your secondary defender, and with your primary defender you slide back into the where the path of the ball will be and you cut off the cut back pass. Practice it and you'll get good at it.

Im not trying to be or sound like an ass but im serious, there are ways to defend these things if you practice and dont get frustrated .

[Blaz00r]

Im not trying to be or sound like an ass but im serious, there are ways to defend these things if you practice and dont get frustrated .

Of course there are ways to defend, and I AM doing the things you mentioned to prevent cutbacks and most of the times successfully, but the fact is that out of 10 times they try to do it in a game, at least one will end up in a goal, if not more.

As for early crosses - pretty much nothing you can do to prevent them before they happen, played this guy who used england with Wright-Phillips and Lennon as LWF and RWF and all he did was running with them and early crossing scoring easy goals, there was nothing I could do, Lennon and Wright-Phillips were just unstoppable due to their speed :angry:

[wengervision]

Wow every thread boo hoo, boo hoo, everyone plays with same teams, I can't win, I never play with a big team, usually i play with benfica, and I have a 620 rating, i beat all big teams, with no cut backs, no garbage. I play the right way, build up play, strong defense. You have to learn tactics, switch your formation, play counter attacking futbol at times. Man, stop crying, and making excuses. The only thing that i read that is legit, is the lag, (cheaters). It is sooo easy to defend the cut backs (U must use your goal keeper). Man up, stop crying and makin excuses. I'm going to start a online league, with table, wins and losses, no point system, all teams availible, one condition, once that team is takin its gone.

I bet you just run down the wing with your fastest player and cross all the time. :rolleyes: Don't tell me what tactics to use...nobody declared yours the best but yourself. And if someone complains about super team users who spend their entire game making love to R1 button, they have every right to!

[dicky_t]

even though i never bought pes10 ,i feel compelled to agree with championsleag ,i know its fustrating when your opponent only goes for the quick player down the wing and the cutback ,it does feel cheap ,ive even complained about it myself on previous versions ,but the fact is ,hes right ,its football altho the end product might be different in real life compared to pes the fact remains most teams open other teams up by having quick tricky wingers

the reason so many ppl get caught out by it ,is because they just throw ppl forward and then expect the computer to automaticaly bring them back too ,the game online makes you think more ,so naturally you have to be tactically more aware ,because your playing a real person instead of a computer program ,the opponent is going to be more direct with quicker passing you have to learn to adapt to it

firstly you have to slow down the runner ,block their runs ,block their passes make them turn and face their own goal if possible this buys you precious time for your players to get back in numbers and more difficult to pass through ,you have to learn to not press the "team mate pressure" button and pull your own players out of posistion ,untill the time is right to do so ,infact the only time you should be using it ,is as stated somewhere else in this thread when your posistioning another defender ,by keeping your defence in posistion and not using "teammate pressure" wether your defensive line be deep or high means even a normal flat back 4 will be covering all the space in the width of the feild giving you the opportunity to stop this type of run before it can be of danger

then you have to learn to defend from the half way line keeping your team compact and difficult to pass and run through ,the best way to do this is pressure the ball carrier with your forwards while leaving your midfeild and defence in posistion ,this greatly reduces any space for the opponent to exploit and makes any ball played forward ,more risky as the chances of the ball been intercepted or the ball carrier tackled are much more in the defenders favour

this is just a simple defensive strategy that most players online dont follow as they are too busy trying to wow the opponent with their attacking abillities that in it self is the worst strategy of all

football is a team game using all eleven players on the feild and using all of them to their strengths

[Blaz00r]

even though i never bought pes10

The rest of your post is just irrelevant. If you never played PES10 online, then you'll never know.

Everything you wrote is all nice in theory, but YOU try stopping them fast players blitzing through your wing, almost impossible.

[dicky_t]

just because i never bought it ,doesnt mean i havent played it or played it online ,the reason i havent bought it and will not buy this years version ,like many i feel the game no longer impresses,but trust me no matter which version of the game you play the above tactics i have mentioned as well as a little defensive know how works well against computer or human

[championsleag]

um No, I don't run the ball down the wing, and I do play players 650 700 with them using real, My point is you must research your team, play master league with them using original roster and do not buy players, it sounds crazy, but what happens is you play master league, buy everyone, then go online with original roster and don't know how to play with them, hense why everyone picks the easy way out and picks real. Every roster has hiden gem players, you must spend time with your team, nuture them, play everyone to see what they are capable. You cant just jump online without research then make excuses! Man shout out if you hear me! Damn! LOL, :lol:

[DIECI]

um No, I don't run the ball down the wing, and I do play players 650 700 with them using real, My point is you must research your team, play master league with them using original roster and do not buy players, it sounds crazy, but what happens is you play master league, buy everyone, then go online with original roster and don't know how to play with them, hense why everyone picks the easy way out and picks real. Every roster has hiden gem players, you must spend time with your team, nuture them, play everyone to see what they are capable. You cant just jump online without research then make excuses! Man shout out if you hear me! Damn! LOL, :lol:



I hear you.... I dont play masterleague but I do research my teams and tweek formations to maximize their talents. Im serious, Barca and Real really do not bother me, I know how to stop them now and have been doing a great job beating people using both Barca and Real consistantly for over a month. It does get boring though LOL but a win is a win! ;)

[championsleag]

I feel you! Master league is why people have trouble online, play league or cup when your only option is original roster, then you see if you are a truly good player. In league mode you have champions league, league cup, plus league, way more fun then building a super power.

[dicky_t]

i agree and disagree with the points raised about master league

firstly i agree with your comments ,that knowing your team ,and playing the default side to your strengths and knowing which player will play well in certain posititons allows you not only to plan your strategy ,but also allows you to change tactics mid game ,this is invaluable when playing another human ,just because you can adapt to the situation ,doesnt mean your opponent cant

secondly i disagree with the comments about master league ,by playing with good players and been able to buy what you want ,allows you to experiment and to find out what certain type of players can do when played in different posistions ,not only that ,when you realise what certain players can do ,can help you pick an average default team that suits your style like benfica do with you,only when you understand what players can do for you ,can help you play better

it beats the ass off picking a team just because some superstar plays at a mega club

[wengervision]

I hear you.... I dont play masterleague but I do research my teams and tweek formations to maximize their talents. Im serious, Barca and Real really do not bother me, I know how to stop them now and have been doing a great job beating people using both Barca and Real consistantly for over a month. It does get boring though LOL but a win is a win! ;)

Are you beating them with another bodybuilding sprinters team or with Wigan?

[senna94]

Wow every thread boo hoo, boo hoo, everyone plays with same teams, I can't win, I never play with a big team, usually i play with benfica, and I have a 620 rating, i beat all big teams, with no cut backs, no garbage. I play the right way, build up play, strong defense. You have to learn tactics, switch your formation, play counter attacking futbol at times. Man, stop crying, and making excuses. The only thing that i read that is legit, is the lag, (cheaters). It is sooo easy to defend the cut backs (U must use your goal keeper). Man up, stop crying and makin excuses. I'm going to start a online league, with table, wins and losses, no point system, all teams availible, one condition, once that team is takin its gone.

you are full of it bro....you should not have to be a LEGEND to beat the laggers/Real Madrid boys. Dont talk formations....bla bla bla.......u know its a problem..accept it and dont take it out on the community. Or go look in the mirror and admire your hair again.

[championsleag]

lol, see this is why the game has its flaws, because losers make excuses. BOO HOO, why you crying, you not going to change it:shocking: Man up!

[dicky_t]

lol ive got to be honest ,i find it hard to beleive that any of you know what your doing ,and have just decided to come here and boast or knock somebody else down, where is the discussion? and the help ,even from the thread starter if your so good explain in detail why your tactics work ,you obviously want to talk about your ability on this game otherwise you wouldnt have started the thread ,all ive heard so far is one defensive tip and the rest how we all should stop crying ,ive barley even played this version of pes ,but yet i have said more in two posts with instructions of what to do ,and what not to do ,than you have shared

simply ,either put up or shut up ,in the same way no one likes cry babies ,no one likes show offs either

[dapluto]

lol ive got to be honest ,i find it hard to beleive that any of you know what your doing ,and have just decided to come here and boast or knock somebody else down, where is the discussion? and the help ,even from the thread starter if your so good explain in detail why your tactics work ,you obviously want to talk about your ability on this game otherwise you wouldnt have started the thread ,all ive heard so far is one defensive tip and the rest how we all should stop crying ,ive barley even played this version of pes ,but yet i have said more in two posts with instructions of what to do ,and what not to do ,than you have shared

simply ,either put up or shut up ,in the same way no one likes cry babies ,no one likes show offs either

agree with this. i would like to see these guys actually beat these 650 plus guys as much as they make it out

infact....i wouldnt mind knowing the ranking of people on here. mine is fake cause i dont play many good players that always chose real or barca as such only reflects my performace agaisnt D2 and 3A players

but these guys seem to smack the sense out of everyone including D1 people. so they should be on high arse rankings

wouldnt mind giving some of them a game or two

[Blaz00r]

you are full of it bro....you should not have to be a LEGEND to beat the laggers/Real Madrid boys. Dont talk formations....bla bla bla.......u know its a problem..accept it and dont take it out on the community. Or go look in the mirror and admire your hair again.
+1.

I bet you're one of those idiots thats spamming "Thank you." "Goal!" "Wow!!!" each time he scores.

[bunnywhi7e]

If you like playing every online game versus someone that uses Barca and Real then goodluck. To me it's boring.

[douglas93]

If you like playing every online game versus someone that uses Barca and Real then goodluck. To me it's boring.

I dont recall it being such an issue in the past, its almost become boring because 90% of people who choose Barca / Real only play one way i.e. pass down line, run. In the end you often get beat by someone who actually doesnt have that much ability which Is the frustrating bit.

[NightAzn17]

Completely agree with the op and everyone else who think that ppl should stop comlaining about real/barca.

funny thing is, half the people who complain about sending the ball down the side and have some fast ass guy run after it do the exact same thing. how do i know this? i've played many people on this forum (not mentioning any names) and they (not everyone) pretty much do the exact same thing with teams that aren't necessarily real/barca. i do agree; it is annoying. im pretty decent at defending as i got a general idea of how to delay ronaldo/messi/eto, etc but it still is true that they will get past you eventually due to sheer luck or cause the game rigged them up way too much.

this is exactly why i stopped playing online: there's just too many flaws to it. people say real/barca users are the most annoying aspects of online play, but i personally think its the people's attitudes. yes, i've made my few share of cool, sporting friends, but there are those that
a. make some excuse that your players are better than his (i had some guy tell me that i only won cause my keeper (van der sar) is jesus)
b. complain that you lag (why are you playing me again then?)
c. somehow accuse that your goal was either cheap, lucky, gay, etc...
d. "GOAL! GOAL! GOAL! GOAL! *Watches every single second of replay*"
You get the point...

[bunnywhi7e]

Let me ask you all something ? In real football do you see a team trying to score a goal just ONE FUCKIN WAY ??? Run run run and just use cutbacks. How is that any fun ? I don't care if you stop them or not, but is that really fun. I play morons who try to either cross for a header or do a cutback 100% of their attacks. As soon as I see their formations which is ALWAYS 4-3-3 I know what's up. I played this guy who did use Argentina, but the dude is just super crazy good. Not once did he use cutbacks or constant headers but he actually scored a few goals and each of them were just beautiful goals. Thats what I call a skill. So all of you that use cutbacks and cross headers constantly come and hold my left nut while you run down with Messi.

[DIECI]

Completely agree with the op and everyone else who think that ppl should stop comlaining about real/barca.

funny thing is, half the people who complain about sending the ball down the side and have some fast ass guy run after it do the exact same thing. how do i know this? i've played many people on this forum (not mentioning any names) and they (not everyone) pretty much do the exact same thing with teams that aren't necessarily real/barca. i do agree; it is annoying. im pretty decent at defending as i got a general idea of how to delay ronaldo/messi/eto, etc but it still is true that they will get past you eventually due to sheer luck or cause the game rigged them up way too much.

this is exactly why i stopped playing online: there's just too many flaws to it. people say real/barca users are the most annoying aspects of online play, but i personally think its the people's attitudes. yes, i've made my few share of cool, sporting friends, but there are those that
a. make some excuse that your players are better than his (i had some guy tell me that i only won cause my keeper (van der sar) is jesus)
b. complain that you lag (why are you playing me again then?)
c. somehow accuse that your goal was either cheap, lucky, gay, etc...
d. "GOAL! GOAL! GOAL! GOAL! *Watches every single second of replay*"
You get the point...


LOL you're so right! I did the same, I play you, bunny, omar and a few others that are in our community but I try not to play quickmatch that much anymore because there is just too much bs with button delay and such. Why is it that when I play you guys were is no button delay and we play fun and fair games? but when I get into a quick match I end up having to quit probably 50% of the time because of this issue?

[DIECI]

Let me ask you all something ? In real football do you see a team trying to score a goal just ONE FUCKIN WAY ??? Run run run and just use cutbacks. How is that any fun ? I don't care if you stop them or not, but is that really fun. I play morons who try to either cross for a header or do a cutback 100% of their attacks. As soon as I see their formations which is ALWAYS 4-3-3 I know what's up. I played this guy who did use Argentina, but the dude is just super crazy good. Not once did he use cutbacks or constant headers but he actually scored a few goals and each of them were just beautiful goals. Thats what I call a skill. So all of you that use cutbacks and cross headers constantly come and hold my left nut while you run down with Messi.

:lol: :lol: :lol: at your left nut comment!

As for the guy you played that was super good with Argentina. Those are the type of people we should invite to our community and add to our friends list ! They're few and far between so when we run into them we should make the best of it and add them! We should welcome a good fair challenge from people! Hell I dont mind losing if the game is played fair and the right way, I've lost to you, Omar, NightAzn17 and others in our community countless times but they're good, fair and hard fought games!

[bunnywhi7e]

:lol: :lol: :lol: at your left nut comment!

As for the guy you played that was super good with Argentina. Those are the type of people we should invite to our community and add to our friends list ! They're few and far between so when we run into them we should make the best of it and add them! We should welcome a good fair challenge from people! Hell I dont mind losing if the game is played fair and the right way, I've lost to you, Omar, NightAzn17 and others in our community countless times but they're good, fair and hard fought games!

DIECI, I need to play you real soon. I now have redeemed myself with Chelsea man. Its just my team from now on. I have a sick line up with really good formation and tactics. Drogba is just deadly with his headers and IMO nobody is better than Lampard from a long range. I was losing and losing due to my own mistakes and shit but now I really can call myself an elite player.

Sometimes when my entire team is slow I know the conditioning home&away is set to random but man when I'm in full speed and good conditioning that's it. Chelsea IMO is the best team in the game when it comes to tactics, passing, counter attack, long range shot takers, free kick takers, btw Deco and Lampard and Drogba watch the fuck out seriously.

And now I have a new way of defending. I don't run after the player now, for example how I stop Messi cutbacks and these idiots:

When he runs down, let him run but run towards your goal and make sure to cover his player who will execute the cutback and possibly score the goal. I see many players and the way they defend by chasing you which is a big big mistake.

This poor guy who surprisingly had Messi and CR9 in the same team ML team I assume he couldn't do shitttt because I just let him run. But then again Chelsea is one of the best defensive team with Terry and Ashley Cole = POWER HOUSE and not to mention the best GK in the game.

[DIECI]

Bunny,

Its on then, tonight we play your Chelsea vs my Inter! "TONIGHT WE DINE IN HELL" LOL!

[bunnywhi7e]

Bunny,

Its on then, tonight we play your Chelsea vs my Inter! "TONIGHT WE DINE IN HELL" LOL!

DIECI, I'm telling you, you have no chance :no::no: what so EVER LOL

Its like this pretty much:

Ankela[LWF] - Drogba [CF] Joe Cole [RWF]

Then scary shit:

Lampard[AMF] - Deco [AMF]

Ballack [DMF]

And figure out defense on your own :w00t!


GOOD LUCK.. ITS WAR TIME! ROFL

BTW: I have a little trick up my sleeve for your ass. You will never see an attack like this!

[DIECI]

DIECI, I'm telling you, you have no chance :no::no: what so EVER LOL

Its like this pretty much:

Ankela[LWF] - Drogba [CF] Joe Cole [RWF]

Then scary shit:

Lampard[AMF] - Deco [AMF]

Ballack [DMF]

And figure out defense on your own :w00t!


GOOD LUCK.. ITS WAR TIME! ROFL

BTW: I have a little trick up my sleeve for your ass. You will never see an attack like this!

LOL BRING IT! I bet you won't even score 1 goal though! :no:

[Decryptus]

Wow every thread boo hoo, boo hoo, everyone plays with same teams, I can't win, I never play with a big team, usually i play with benfica, and I have a 620 rating, i beat all big teams, with no cut backs, no garbage. I play the right way, build up play, strong defense. You have to learn tactics, switch your formation, play counter attacking futbol at times. Man, stop crying, and making excuses. The only thing that i read that is legit, is the lag, (cheaters). It is sooo easy to defend the cut backs (U must use your goal keeper). Man up, stop crying and makin excuses. I'm going to start a online league, with table, wins and losses, no point system, all teams availible, one condition, once that team is takin its gone.

You talk alot of bullshit my friend...

I know your kind of players you defend all game and play on counter attack (probably use pressure liker all the other lamers). This is not the style I like to play... I like to build up attacks moving the ball from side to side and try to crack up the defence. But when playing all the time against 4-3-3 opponenets with superman wingers with counter attack and pressure turnd on all the time makes the game robotic and dosent make you a player, it makes you a proud lamer. I know how to play defence and use the counter attack and pressure 'strategy' but thats an ugly game.

There is only one thing I can say - using the computer to help you make defence by pressuring all the game and counter attacking just makes you another lamer!

[Kubi_KZ]

There is only one thing I can say - using the computer to help you make defence by pressuring all the game and counter attacking just makes you another lamer!

How true and very interesting point of view!

The problem in PES is that any lamer (regardless of runner, defender, early crosser) can get successful with the biggest teams.

If they were forced to play with lesser teams, they would not know what to do, and all of the sudden, the truely skilled PES players would start to appear on the top of the rankings list.

[DIECI]

I guess everyone is a "lamer" in one way or another! soon it will be, "if you use turbo you're a lamer" PLEASE! get over it!

[0-0-10]

lol if com pressure is lame than the whole game is lame, which isnt completley wrong maybe... but really, its not noob stuff like messi or the early cross or a complete unreal manner for that matter to do so. i dont see how its lame. putting pressure on someone and your teammate backs up you is just how it also works irl. lol

[Decryptus]

I guess everyone is a "lamer" in one way or another! soon it will be, "if you use turbo you're a lamer" PLEASE! get over it!

Oh com'on you what I mean!!! You know damn well that using pressure all the time is a freaking bug, there is not one team in this world that does it, even Barcelnoa and Arsenal that do pressure are doing it smartly. Think about it that way - if players are always running after the ball on the pitch they will probably loose thier strength after 30 minutes.

Some of you use pressure all the time and consider themselfs good players, and then come-out and talk shit like the guy who opend this thread. Its not a big deal taking a team like barcelona activating the pressure and running like an asshole after the player with the ball, And on top of that doing it using double-up.

I'm just saying let the player make the game! if I wanted to play against the computer I wouldnt go online!

[DIECI]

Oh com'on you what I mean!!! You know damn well that using pressure all the time is a freaking bug, there is not one team in this world that does it, even Barcelnoa and Arsenal that do pressure are doing it smartly. Think about it that way - if players are always running after the ball on the pitch they will probably loose thier strength after 30 minutes.

Some of you use pressure all the time and consider themselfs good players, and then come-out and talk shit like the guy who opend this thread. Its not a big deal taking a team like barcelona activating the pressure and running like an asshole after the player with the ball, And on top of that doing it using double-up.

I'm just saying let the player make the game! if I wanted to play against the computer I wouldnt go online!

by pressure you mean pressing X to close down the guy with the ball? and using square as your 2nd defender?

Ok then how do you play defense? Explain the non "lamer" way...

Plus its not your whole team thats sprinting and pressuring all game long, its just the players around the opponent with the ball, which is normal and it happens in real life. Now if it was the whole team doing it for 90 minutes I would agree with you.

[ferdinand001]

I agree with Depryctus all the way... because:

Lets face it... the gameplay online its broken...why??

Because the pressure its unbalanced, the 85% of the online games we have pressure by the sliders or the tactics, even both activated all the match... i see 4 or 5 players running behind messi or cr9 crushing each other without any AI.

I can accept the pressure issue as a bug in the gameplay if the AI controled player havent the hability to take the ball from a Human controled player...just in case of a bad pass the AI controlled Pressing player could take the ball... but these is not the case with PES 2010 online.... because of that the lamers exploit the bug...but in the end, the gameplay lets the players exploit that bug...so the fault is in the gameplay not in the players IMO. I you play again a "dead" team online ( i use term "dead" when the opponent quit the game and dont control his team) you can see the AI doing almost 30% of the job, thats depends on the tactics and sliders activated.

When i play online i would like to play against a human an his habilities...not against a human helped by the AI...because then, the game become unfear and related to the power of the team (reason why RM and Barza users win 60% of their matches ( if their are not stupids)).

IMO the tactics and sliders has to be a complement to the hability in the human player but never a equal like now in PES 2010.

In a lot online games i see people playing like these:

For example...with Brazil:

5-2-3, auto pressing tactics enabled, counterattack tactics enabled, pressing sliders enabled 95%, attack strategy slider enabled 10% (wider team), Defence line slider enabled 10%( really back)... with:

--------------------------Julio Cesar(GK)-------------------------------
Thiago Silva (CD)----Juan (CD)---Lucio(CD)-----Luisao(CD)--------Alves
-------------------Thiago Motta (DMF)----- The juventus DMF----------
ALL THEM DEFFENCE MINDED
----------Robinho (SS)--------Pato (SS)-----------Kaka (SS)-----------
THEM OFFENCE MINDED

Then... when they attack, just run with robinho, kaka or pato dribbling and doing cutbatcks... in a 10 min game they can score at least 2 goals...if the player are medium (like 450-550) category... these is nothing more than a BIG LAMERS...

If you play a man in the category of 600-700 with these formation you can see the same thing attacking, maybe taking out kaka for a center forward like Baptista or Adriano for headers and deffending (here comes the more LAMER thing) with one player using only the "radar" to follow the man who can get an eventual pass mean while the AI has 3 or 4 players chasing you across his field...IN THESE CASE THE MAN IS NOT DEFFENDING HIMSELF...you are playing against a LAMER...Against a BUGGER...helped by the lazzynes of the Konami development team.

Obviously..you can do the same...and win...but then you are not playing a football sim, IMO...you are playing a bugged computer game... maybe you even can win without using the same LAMER thing, but...with luck and lag free the 40% of the matches or least.

With the lag thing in the scene...you can not do anything against the bugged AI pressing, because the AI is "LAG FREE"...

If you play someone who has better ranking that 750 he is 95% secure, a lagger...

by the way, play more of 600 games online...having a ranking of 620-650 and sell PES 2010 today to get Fifa 10 just to play online...because even winning in PES online its not funny anymore...IMRHO...

Peace.

[DIECI]

I agree with Depryctus all the way... because:

Lets face it... the gameplay online its broken...why??

Because the pressure its unbalanced, the 85% of the online games we have pressure by the sliders or the tactics, even both activated all the match... i see 4 or 5 players running behind messi or cr9 crushing each other without any AI.

I can accept the pressure issue as a bug in the gameplay if the AI controled player havent the hability to take the ball from a Human controled player...just in case of a bad pass the AI controlled Pressing player could take the ball... but these is not the case with PES 2010 online.... because of that the lamers exploit the bug...but in the end, the gameplay lets the players exploit that bug...so the fault is in the gameplay not in the players IMO. I you play again a "dead" team online ( i use term "dead" when the opponent quit the game and dont control his team) you can see the AI doing almost 30% of the job, thats depends on the tactics and sliders activated.

When i play online i would like to play against a human an his habilities...not against a human helped by the AI...because then, the game become unfear and related to the power of the team (reason why RM and Barza users win 60% of their matches ( if their are not stupids)).

IMO the tactics and sliders has to be a complement to the hability in the human player but never a equal like now in PES 2010.

In a lot online games i see people playing like these:

For example...with Brazil:

5-2-3, auto pressing tactics enabled, counterattack tactics enabled, pressing sliders enabled 95%, attack strategy slider enabled 10% (wider team), Defence line slider enabled 10%( really back)... with:

--------------------------Julio Cesar(GK)-------------------------------
Thiago Silva (CD)----Juan (CD)---Lucio(CD)-----Luisao(CD)--------Alves
-------------------Thiago Motta (DMF)----- The juventus DMF----------
ALL THEM DEFFENCE MINDED
----------Robinho (SS)--------Pato (SS)-----------Kaka (SS)-----------
THEM OFFENCE MINDED

Then... when they attack, just run with robinho, kaka or pato dribbling and doing cutbatcks... in a 10 min game they can score at least 2 goals...if the player are medium (like 450-550) category... these is nothing more than a BIG LAMERS...

If you play a man in the category of 600-700 with these formation you can see the same thing attacking, maybe taking out kaka for a center forward like Baptista or Adriano for headers and deffending (here comes the more LAMER thing) with one player using only the "radar" to follow the man who can get an eventual pass mean while the AI has 3 or 4 players chasing you across his field...IN THESE CASE THE MAN IS NOT DEFFENDING HIMSELF...you are playing against a LAMER...Against a BUGGER...helped by the lazzynes of the Konami development team.

Obviously..you can do the same...and win...but then you are not playing a football sim, IMO...you are playing a bugged computer game... maybe you even can win without using the same LAMER thing, but...with luck and lag free the 40% of the matches or least.

With the lag thing in the scene...you can not do anything against the bugged AI pressing, because the AI is "LAG FREE"...

If you play someone who has better ranking that 750 he is 95% secure, a lagger...

by the way, play more of 600 games online...having a ranking of 620-650 and sell PES 2010 today to get Fifa 10 just to play online...because even winning in PES online its not funny anymore...IMRHO...

Peace.



wow you're upset.......but its Konami that intruduced these tactics and sliders, in the past we had the arrow strategies which they replaced. I understand the "pressure" that you guys are talking about now... I thought you were talking about pressuring the player withe ball with your defender using X or square. But I see what you're saying.... I think you could counter the "pressure" you are describing by playing a more defensive, counter attack type game. If you try to play on TOP PLAYER rather than REGULAR the pressuring team should get tired by the middle of the 2nd half.

But most of the BARCA/REAL cheesers dont even use pressure or any other tactics though... they just play DEFAULT and run around with Messi or Ronaldo LOL

[Blaz00r]

I agree with Depryctus all the way... because:

Lets face it... the gameplay online its broken...why??

Because the pressure its unbalanced, the 85% of the online games we have pressure by the sliders or the tactics, even both activated all the match... i see 4 or 5 players running behind messi or cr9 crushing each other without any AI.

I can accept the pressure issue as a bug in the gameplay if the AI controled player havent the hability to take the ball from a Human controled player...just in case of a bad pass the AI controlled Pressing player could take the ball... but these is not the case with PES 2010 online.... because of that the lamers exploit the bug...but in the end, the gameplay lets the players exploit that bug...so the fault is in the gameplay not in the players IMO. I you play again a "dead" team online ( i use term "dead" when the opponent quit the game and dont control his team) you can see the AI doing almost 30% of the job, thats depends on the tactics and sliders activated.



Wow, people will always find things to complain about uh? Why are you complaining, the game has always been like that with options to pressure etc, what do you want the defenders you don't control to do? just stand there still until you control them?

And what are you talking about with the "dead" team thing? When your opponent doesn't control his players it becomes so easy to score, you just need to run through his defense because every time you get close to one of his defenders he will get the control of that defender and he will stand still, again, what do you expect the players to do, just stand still?
Konami took out the manual goal keeper off online just because of that, because when you control the keeper all the other players are controlled by the computer, anything else aside of that is in no way cheating or w/e.

And BTW, atleast get you facts right, Thiago Silva isn't a RB (wtf is CD?), the "Juventus DMF" is called Melo, and Motta (wtf?) hasn't even one national appearance.
And for the record, I've never seen a single person using this formation or even something close to it. But its a nice formation tho, thanks :w00t

[dicky_t]

any formation can be beaten if you know how to play against it and know how to use your formation and the key to that formation and its weakness is the DM and the fact they are pulled back allows you to pass in front of them,if you can pull one out and get in the space between that and the defender ,you can shoot ,even if your 30 yards out ,with that many defenders all it takes is a good shot or a deflection to wrong foot and go past the keeper

if your playing 4-4-2 use your wide midfeilders to come in feild and go towards their DM one will come across the other by default will come in to cover ,leaving your 2 central midfilders and the opposite wing free ,you then just pass to your nearest CM then to your next CM if he cant work the shot then you pass to your winger if ,you still cannot get a shot or pass away ,you work it back across your midfeild ,if his forewards come back you play it back to your defence ,when their forewards come to pressure your defence you just pass the ball across then foreward to your wide midfeilder untill you start at the posistion again ,working and retaining the ball ,if your opponent gets fustrated and starts to pull players out of posistion ,you can then start to exploit more space going foreward

its best to play a medium defensive line when playing against a counter attacking formation ,you want to keep him penned in to his own half but on one hand you dont want to sit too deep as you will struggle to retain to ball ,and on the other if your defensive line is too high ,you risk your defence been broken by quick players

[ferdinand001]

Again Blaz00r...

I would like to have 90% control of my team like PES6 , no 60% depending on the tactics enabled...same for the opponent human player.

Off course, about Melo i dont know every fucking player on earth...but you get the idea.

And yes, i want a dead...REALLY dead team without human control.

I dont know where you play(Europe, America, Japan) (PSN, XBOXLIVE, PC), but in americas xboxlive, almost every player above 650 rating play these kind of formation with Barza/RM/Brazil/Argentina/Inglaterra.

AND CD is CENTRAL DEFFENDER, I play the mex version so the LIBERO, DEFENSA CENTRAL,CENTRAL,STOPPER, or anyname you use in your area is called DC in PES.

Obviosly Silva its not a wing...but you can play 4 CDs or Back defenders or central defenders (i dont know how you call it) in the botton line...

Use that formation and you will win some matches without any hard work... I like play without these shits..

Peace.

[bunnywhi7e]

ferdinand001 - i absolutely, 110% agree on everything you've said so far. I'm glad that at least someone thinks the same way I do. Kudos!

But again I have to blame Konami for it not the actual players.