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The next WWE PPV is Elimination Chamber, taking place on Sunday 21st February.
The event has two matches confirmed at the moment;
RAW Elimination Chamber - WWE Championship
Participants;
Sheamus (WWE Champion), John Cena, Triple H, Randy Orton, Ted DiBiase, Kofi Kingston
Smackdown Elimination Chamber - World Heavyweight Championship
Participants;
The Undertaker (World Heavyweight Champion), Chris Jericho, Rey Mysterio, R-Truth, John Morrison, CM Punk
After watching SD this past week, I noticed this will be on Box Office, the fourth event in a row, I believe.
Seeing as a lot of this event appears to be quite predictable, I think I'll give this a miss. Or watch by other means, anyway.
WrestleMania will definitely be on Box Office also, so it'll be five in a row.
Yeah. Although, when the new deal with Sky was announced, I'm sure 8 or 9 of them are going to be on Box Office from now on. EC can be added to that list. :/
Saying that, NWO may well have been last year. Can't remember.
Oh how HBK needs to mix it up a bit with the SD! Elimination Chamber, that's the only way this match between him and Taker can happen.
This is the time where Michaels becomes HBK. So expect great stuff from him.
Saying that, NWO may well have been last year. Can't remember.
IIRC No Way Out, The Bash and Breaking Point were all Sky Sports 1. Think there was another too.
Oh how HBK needs to mix it up a bit with the SD! Elimination Chamber, that's the only way this match between him and Taker can happen.
Let's hope Batista takes him out before he gets chance. :joel:
Charles Manson Punk back in the main-event! BOO-YAH! :joel:
I'm actually looking forward to this PPV. Well, I am so far. We'll see how I feel after the rest of the card is announced. I'm hoping for some E&C vs. Ezekiel and Regal or something.
Oh how HBK needs to mix it up a bit with the SD! Elimination Chamber, that's the only way this match between him and Taker can happen.
Well, when I said "predictable" earlier, I meant that Michaels gets involved, costs Taker the title with Jericho more than likely winning.
Jericho goes on to face Edge, and Taker-HBK can then happen.
Still don't know where they're going with the RAW side of things though. Don't particularly want Sheamus-Orton-Triple H to happen, and if Orton won the title, it could mean a Legacy triple threat ...although that doesn't leave Triple H with much to work with, apart from a match with Sheamus. :/
Well, when I said "predictable" earlier, I meant that Michaels gets involved, costs Taker the title with Jericho more than likely winning.
Jericho goes on to face Edge, and Taker-HBK can then happen.
Still don't know where they're going with the RAW side of things though. Don't particularly want Sheamus-Orton-Triple H to happen, and if Orton won the title, it could mean a Legacy triple threat ...although that doesn't leave Triple H with much to work with, apart from a match with Sheamus. :/
Haitch would enter MITB, win it, cash it in on the same night, all for the chance to bury Orton again.
A Legacy triple threat for the title would put be to sleep I reckon. I hope they realise the fans are going to side with Orton too. In fact, if either Ted or Cody get anything resembling a pop before, during or after the match, I'll have them in my avatar for the rest of the year.
srs bizz.
muscularmatt
08-02-2010, 03:51
Maaaaybe HBK winning the SD main event at no way out? Then Edge shockingly challenging whoever's got the strap on raw?
That would be a possibility, I suppose.
If No Way Out still existed, HBK was a part of Smackdown and that the Main Event for Elimination Chamber (formerly No Way Out) wasn't already set.
I guess if they wanted HBK to be in the EC match, R-Truth would get "injured" and forfeit his spot.
I know one thing though. If HBK was to win a World Title again, I wouldn't want to see him drop it just over a month later in his first defence and neither would the majority of people. That's why I don't think it'll happen.
muscularmatt
08-02-2010, 22:31
I purpoisely called it No Way Out as I preferred the name. I do have a history of doing that, if someone makes a change to something that I don't like, I just kinda pretend it didn't happen. Now I'm off shopping down Gateway's to buy some Opal Fruits and Smith's Bovril crisps. Think I might pay on my Midland Switch card...
Apparantly, Survivor Series is getting a name change this year. That's right, the second longest running PPV and one of the "Big 4" will be no more.
I think it's getting fucking stupid now.
Make the PPV content interesting, don't just change the name.
...would be my advice.
I mean, No Way Out to Elimination Chamber was a retarded move. There's no way out of the Elimination Chamber anyway. Even less so than HIAC.
That's exactly the problem. Survivor Series doesn't do good buyrates, because the storylines going into it are always shit now. Not to mention the traditional matches barely last 15 minutes now, so there is nothing special about them.
As you say, No Way Out is a perfect name for an event where you want to hold the Elimination Chamber. But these guys just don't get it. All these gimmick PPVs are getting out of hand. Storylines is what makes people want to watch the PPV, not just throwing randoms into gimmick matches.
Did you see the list of the 8 possible new PPVs? Some are hilarious. Obviously War Games and KOTR are the only two half decent suggestions.
BarnDoor
13-02-2010, 11:42
War Games is the most obvious choice, since it is at least in the vein of Survivor Series. Battle Bowl might also be interesting, though obviously all the draws would be rigged.
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6733/screenshot20100218at449.png
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
I thought that legit at first! If they ever do a Fatal Four Way PPV, then they have officially lost it.
muscularmatt
18-02-2010, 23:52
Not to mention the traditional matches barely last 15 minutes now, so there is nothing special about them.
That's because they have so many of them! Didn't it used to be there was like one as the main event, and all ten people in it were big names??
As you say, No Way Out is a perfect name for an event where you want to hold the Elimination Chamber.
I will still call it NWO in protest.
...it is legit.
I don't see it on their website. It just stops at Extreme Rules. Seriously, they can't be a Fatal Four Way PPV.
That's because they have so many of them! Didn't it used to be there was like one as the main event, and all ten people in it were big names??
Back when it first came out the whole PPV card was those matches. Can't remember which year it was, but once they did all the good survivors would team up to face all the bad survivors in a survivors match.
I don't see it on their website. It just stops at Extreme Rules. Seriously, they can't be a Fatal Four Way PPV.
I clicked Elimination Chamber on the PPV drop down, and saw it at the bottom right of the page.
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6733/screenshot20100218at449.png
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
The sad things is, the fans had a say in those PPV ideas. I guess it was asking too much for the return of War Games or Battle Bowl with today's wrestling fans.
I clicked Elimination Chamber on the PPV drop down, and saw it at the bottom right of the page.
To quote Cole, "oh my". I see it now. Not good at all. How the hell do you make a PPV of Fatal Four Ways and Money In The Bank?
The sad things is, the fans had a say in those PPV ideas. I guess it was asking too much for the return of War Games or Battle Bowl with today's wrestling fans.
War Games will probably take Survivor Series place. Still can't believe they are getting rid of that.
Not buying it tonight.
I'll catch it online somewhere tomorrow, more than likely. I'm just pissed that it's almost 9pm on PPV day, and there's only 4 matches confirmed for the event.
I'm not paying £15 for two matches I don't care about (IC and Divas title matches...with the participants in the match, I'd struggle to watch the matches in full for free.) and then two chamber matches, one of which seems quite predictable. Even if it turns out I get both of my predictions wrong, I won't be too bothered.
Raw Elimination Chamber...
ooohh Cena vs HHH for the title!
edit: Cena it is. :(
edit 2: He's gotta defend it against batista straight away. I thought it would be HBK lol.
http://www.randomfunnypicture.com/pictures/1871lol_wut.jpg
SWERVE!
General EC spoilers;
I caught the event on a dodgy site in the end. I'm SO glad I didn't pay £15 for it.
Ok, so I was unsure about where they were going with the WWE Championship match, but fucking hell. First Cena wins and then Batista comes out for the first of three unadvertised matches of the night and takes the title. It certainly explains why Batista has been walking out of matches lately/walked out of his Chamber qualifier, but ugh ...I just didn't like it. I don't get the argument about "YES, at least Cena isn't champion!"
Well, no. Because no he has another 'reign' to his name and will likely add to that in a month.
As for the other matches, I fully expected it to happen. Granted, I didn't expect Taker to catch on fire during his entrance, but I expected the screwing from HBK and a Jericho win.
The Diva tag match instead of Divas Title match was strange. Maybe Maryse/Gail is injured/needs to take an emergency break or something? I have no idea why they would just call off the match like that.
And Miz vs. MVP AGAIN?! Yawn. I actually expected that one to be turned into a Tag Title match when I saw Big Show and Henry out there.
Anyway...
I can't complain too much. It looks as though Jericho-Edge (World Title), Batista-Cena (with Vince and Bret ringside and the WWE Title in the mix), a Legacy triple threat and HBK-Taker are all set for WM. I guess this means Trips will face Sheamus now. I had speculated that he (or both) could be in the MITB ladder match, but reports suggest there won't even be one this year, with the MITB PPV coming up a few months after 'Mania.
So yeah, I'm glad I didn't buy it, but I'm also glad (in a way) that the things I predicted came to fruition. WM is looking good.
I actually thought Undertaker tripped and tried to play it out like he was angry and walked to te ring fast. I didn't realise he got burnt! Apparatnly he was engulfed head to toe. You have to say he is lucky that he wears a lot of extras for his entrance. The pyro guy must be fried... or Taker killed him after the match!
I only bothered watching the EC matches. Both were actually pretty good and the outcomes pleased me.
If anyone didnt see it or wants to see it again its here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhjUE796U0U
ouch lol..Apparently the refs were passing him water bottles whilst he was in the pod, he kept pouring them over his face lol.
The pyro guy must be fried...
Intentional?
I wish WWE would give us more warning when they plan on changing things. OK, we all know it's going to be nearly 3 hours long whatever, but the box office paying customer should be entitled to know a bit more. It didn't really reduce the PPV quality in this instance, but changing the diva match seemed to have no reason behind it?
Completely agree with Baddar on Cena/Batista, it's just going to give him another reign in 5 weeks time. I guess that match will DEFINITELY be the main event. I expect Bret will only show up near the end of that match after his 'injury recovery'.
Both chambers matches were very good (like last year), but once again it seemd lacklustre in between that. Spending 5 minutes showing highlights of the first chamber match proved their lack of planning for the mid-card.
And btw:
-Jericho's antics of hiding in the pod were hilarious.
-Holy crap at Mark Henry's trainwreck.
So they've renamed 'Wild Card' to 'Over The Limit'. Which just so happens to be on the 11th anniversary of Owen's death at Over The Edge.
muscularmatt
03-03-2010, 04:23
I was in the Theme Songs thread and I just had the best fucking idea ever for a PPV. Why don't they do a 'Back to the Oldschool' event where everyone uses old themes, gimmicks, costumes etc.
Think about it! That'd be mint baby! Taker on his bike, Kane with the mask back on, HHH acting all posh etc
Dunno what they'd do with the younger ones though...
Kurt Angle vs Mr. Anderson last night was awesome and quite possibly on par with 'Taker vs Shawn as MOTY so far. Angle is insane.
I went to bed shortly after that, but Pope v Styles was also meant to be very good and the main-event was decent. The rest of the matches ranged from decent to good. Well worth checking out.
Oh, and Waltman no-showed. The scruffy twat.
muscularmatt
26-04-2010, 04:40
OK, who watched Extreme Rules?
Who thought it sucked balls? That would be same number of people that said yes to the first question.
Was that the shittest ending to a main event ever or what? Okay, so you take your supposedly top babyface and magazine cover boy, and make him essentially win by finding a way to CHEAT in a last man standing match??? That goes against any logical kind of booking imaginable! The creative team they have right now is so fucking clueless.
I actually liked most of the matches, but what was that ending all about? :faceplm: I thought maybe it was an excuse to have Batista in the ring after the show so he could say bye to the fans, but there doesn't seem to be any reports suggesting that to be the case.
Every match was solid, there wasn't a dud on the card. So no, it didn't suck balls.
Ending was genius tbh. Surprised it hasn't been done before. Probably wasn't best to use it in a match between two powerhouses though.
Edge/Jericho seemed to be the highest profile match and given the longest, but it was really slow at times. I was praying that Edge would miss a spear (Jericho dodging it) and go flying out the cage door to win.
When they decided to add the tag match I thought we weren't going to see Sheamus/Triple H. It seems obsurd to think how well the timing was this event compared to WrestleMania.
EDIT:
CGOKAVPYZOw
This made me laugh.
muscularmatt
27-04-2010, 00:46
Yeah I did LOL when he turned round and snapped 'I hate you too!'
I must say though apart from Edge/Jericho I found the even to be massively disappointing. It all seemed abit rushed, and most of it was if I was just watching a normal TV show, not a PPV.
Maybe it's just me, but I disagree. Most matches were well paced and given enough time. Punk/Mysterio and Batista/Cena were both given twice as long as they had at WrestleMania and the cage match/street fight also had a couple of extra minutes.
Anyone else notice the first time Cena was down and the ref was counting he started shouting instructions to Batista? :/
OTL all results
Kofi Kingston vs. Drew McIntyre
Intercontinental Title match
Winner: Kofi Kingston!
R-Truth vs. Ted DiBiase w/ Virgil
Winner: R-Truth!
CM Punk vs. Rey Mysterio
Winner: Rey Mysterio!
The Hart Dynasty - DH Smith and Tyson Kid w/ Natalya Neidhart vs. The Miz and Chris Jericho
Winners: Tyson Kidd and DH Smith
'The Rated R SuperStar' Edge vs. 'The Viper' Randy Orton
Match ends as a Draw.
World Heavyweight Championship match scheduled for one fall.
The All American American Jack Swagger vs. The Big Show
Winner via Disqualification: Big Show - but the Title doesn't change hands.
Maryse vs. Eve.
Diva's Title on the line.
Winner and still Diva's Champion: Eve!
'I Quit' Match for the WWE Championship
Batista vs. John Cena
Winner John Cena..
I watched the Punk match and i was gutted Rey threw him into a barrier then punk threw him to the canvas but he slid under the ropes right into the barber chair that was class then the ref cleans his blood and a medic comes out and sorts him with staples the crowd chanted 'Boring boring' this must have got to Punk as he then sprung up and just baseball slides Rey whos on the apron then throws him like shit against the barrier that part was minted the end was gash and we never see who the new member is. More happens in this match i just posted that little bit. This is retarded from WWE ruined the whole SES angle likes.
I went to bed shortly after the Punk - Mysterio match.
My predictions were terrible.
Is that R-Truth's finisher? What a joke.
The blood in Punk/Mysterio completely killed the match. Punk probably raced ahead with a couple of spots to save time. Nice to see Kane baffling us again with a random interference. Edge/Orton was pretty tame, maybe because of Randy getting hurt.
Predictable finale. Cena saying 'no' really is the dullest thing about him. Batista falling off the stairway wasn't even good.
Average at best PPV on the whole.
Fatal 4 Way spoilers
I told you, ANNNNNNNNDY! I TOLD YOU! I told you Alicia would win a title before Kelly!
Another underdog World Heavyweight Champion storyline is upon us :rolleyes:
muscularmatt
21-06-2010, 03:56
Well what can I say, apart from the fact that I'm fucking glad I didn't pay for that.
Just me being cynical, or was that a completely CRAP ppv?? The highlight of the night was Jericho's speech and lots of people saying Cena sucks! very loudly. What the shitfuck kind of ending was that for a ppv? When they did it on Raw, fair enough. But here? I thought okay, something else will happen now, but then the show ends with nearly half an hour left on the clock?
As I said, if I'd have paid any money to watch that, then I'd be tampin' right now.
Fuck Rey. Worst guy ever.
What are you talking about, muscularmatt?
That was a very good PPV. Bar the womens match and Miz vs R-Truth, all the matches were either good (6 man tag), very good (Fatal 4 Way matches and IC title match) and brilliant (Jericho vs Bourne).
Seriously, if you thought that PPV was crap, then I don't see what is the point in you watching wrestling. You obviously aren't that into it anymore.
I saw all of it with the exception of the WWE title match. I enjoyed it, was a good PPV. As Joel said, Jericho vs Bourne was a brilliant match.
I told you, ANNNNNNNNDY! I TOLD YOU! I told you Alicia would win a title before Kelly!
Yet she still can't draw a dime. I've heard tumbleweed with bigger ovations. It seems the trend nowadays is give someone a title and hope they get over.
Rey winning the World HEAVYWEIGHT Title again is laughable.
Most matches dragged too long. I got a bit bored. Better than Over The Limit, but meh.
muscularmatt
22-06-2010, 01:18
You obviously aren't that into it anymore.
You know, I was thinking about that the other day. I think the problem is what wrestling is now, and what I think it should be have just drifted further and further apart. I've stayed interested partly with somekind of vain hope that the great one will return and wipe the floor with Cena. But there you go. Not going to happen is it?
Don't care, Andy. I told you Alicia would be a champion before Kelly and you said she'd be future endeavoured. Listen to me, I'm top of the prediction league, little boy :boss:
muscularmatt
22-06-2010, 23:00
LOL! When's the Rock coming back then Joel, seems as though you've got all the answers...
When he accepts that he'll have to job to Cena.
Two money in the bank matches. :faceplm:
Hopefully -
RAW:
Bourne
Morrison
Jericho
Miz
Orton
Edge
DiBiase
R-Truth
SmackDown:
Christian
Ziggler
Drew
Kofi
Matt
MVP
Punk
Kane
Jericho, Edge, Orton, Punk? =/
Having said that, it wouldn't surprise me if they put Jericho in there if he hasn't anything else to do.
I think it is returning to its original format of 6 men. This is a plus, imo.
Hoping that Miz takes the Raw case and either Christian or Kofi takes the Smackdown one.
Wouldn't like to see the likes of Jericho, Punk, Orton etc. in them.
I think it is returning to its original format of 6 men. This is a plus, imo.
Well the Smackdown one is 8 men...
Jericho, Edge, Orton, Punk? =/
Having said that, it wouldn't surprise me if they put Jericho in there if he hasn't anything else to do.
Rather them than the likes of Henry and Yoshi Tatsu.
I expect it'll be Edge vs. Orton and probably Kane vs. Punk instead.
Hopefully -
RAW:
Bourne
Morrison
Jericho
Miz
Orton
Edge
DiBiase
R-Truth
Called it perfectly :joel:
There's been one match (Santino vs. Kozlov) in 45 minutes of RAW so far.
I blame you, Dan.
Hopefully Orton and Edge take each other out a la Jeff/Edge at WrestleMania 23.
I blame Dan too.
We're all pulling for Miz to win, yes?
I'm in a bit of a dilemma. I want a long WWE title reign for Sheamus, yet I want Barrett to be the champion. And I want both guys on Raw, so Smackdown isn't an option.
The only answer is for them to join together, become Shea-rett and be co WWE Champions. If Lay-Cool can do it...
We're all pulling for Miz to win, yes?
Yeah, right after R-Truth. :joel:
I'd rather Sheamus team with Chris Jericho so they can become Chrissmus.
MITB:
So Kane, huh? Kind of happy for him. He deserves to have more than a one day reign. This confirms he was Undertaker's attacker, and he'll probably lose the title at SummerSlam.
Miz winning and the promo he delivered after was just fantastic. He's come a long way. He'll hold the MITB brief case for a long time I expect. So I expect him to win the title when he cashes it in.
It was actually a decent PPV. Some good matches. Even Alicia vs Eve wasn't that bad. Layla vs Kelly was a car crash though.
Lol Kane. So much for someone new getting it. Even though I didn't want it, I at least saw logic behind Drew winning. Urgh Miz.
Both MITB matches were good (Smackdown especially), but the rest of the PPV had little of interest. People can harp about Layla and Kelly's botching, but McCool made the worst one of the match.
JoMo is a gentleman for handling Maryse like that. :>
Not sure how I feel about Kane winning. He was my favourite wrestler for a long time, but he has sucked for at least half a decade. He deserves a run for everything he's done for the business, but it feels like a missed opportunity to get one of the younger guys over (Or even better, Christian!) as a main-event star. Something SmackDown isn't exactly full of.
Can't see Taker coming back as soon as SummerSlam. I think he'll come back around November to face Kane at Survivor Series. Possibly/hopefully retiring Kane, leaving Taker to face Cena at 'Mania.
As for RAW, I think we'll see Edge and Jericho but their feud to rest at SummerSlam, Miz will probably enter a lengthy-ish feud with Orton to fully establish himself as a main-eventer, Cena will finally take care of NXT and HHH will return to get his revenge on Sheamus.
HHH better return to put FELLA over!
Dan, your SummerSlam plans seems like the way things will go, but I still think Undertaker will be back for the PPV. Otherwise Kane would not have cashed in straight away. Plus, he's still all over the PPV promotion posters etc.
I wouldn't be surprised if Edge and Jericho end up teaming and winning the tag titles back. Hart Dynasty doesn't have any opponents right now. Edge just turned heel again, so there is no point putting him in a one on one match with another heel.
If it is Edge vs Jericho, I could see it being a loser leaves WWE thing and Jericho loses. His contract is expiring in September and even though he has said he wants to stay, if he really wanted to, he would have signed by now.
SummerSlam's going to fail so bad. The most interesting thing for me at the moment is what order the Nexus get eliminated. Skip Sheffield to go first, right Joel?
Knowing you, Justin Gabriel is your favourite. You like all those guys who are devoid of charisma.
SummerSlam is looking awful though. You are right when you say a big heel turn needs to happen.
Edit:
Will mark if Danielson is on Cena's team. Better not be HHH as that would make no sense.
Miz will probably join the team, then turn on them in exchange for Nexus helping him win the title at some point.
I thought we'd already established I back my fellow Mancunian? :smug:
I was initially thinking it was all set up for Danielson, but apparently he has an indy date this weekend. Bloody bingo halls getting all the joy.
EDIT: The thing with that Dan is surely Barrett wants the title for himself considering he has a title shot and everything.
Didn't Bret stricken that from the records back when he was GM? I haven't really watched a full show in a while, but has Barrett mentioned the title shot at all recently? I'm sure I remember them offering to help Randy(?) win the title at some point too.
I don't want Miz hooking up with them though. Barrett's the only one that'll be a star. Time for the rest to either start competition in proper matches, or GTFO.
Wasn't that also around the time Bret said none of the 'rookies' were going to be hired? Before the mystery GM brought them back. I guess it was never cleared up.
Just like Barrett was supposed to get his own entrance theme. :faceplm:
I'll admit it, I marked the fuck out.
So did I! Apart from the main event (which was excellent), the PPV was shit.
Bryan just kicked ass, I couldn't have dreamt that better. And it's good he wasn't eliminated clean. Looks like he may take the US title from Miz.
When you've only got 6 matches on the card, you don't have 2 of them end without a proper result. Undertaker's return was poor.
Laycool was just not needed. Michelle's voice urrrrrrrgggg.
Agreed about the marking and the PPV was shit apart from the main event.
I have no problem with Sheamus and Orton's match ending in a DQ. They want it to go on, so there is no way Sheamus can win, but he needs to keep the title. It has to be a DQ.
I thought Taker's return was good. He didn't come back and dominate after being in a "vegetative state". It was good to see Kane own him. It would have been terrible if he dominated.
What is next for Nexus?
I hated the Undertaker return because the gong went after he appeared. It was like a on-screen prompt for him to get out the casket. :lol:
We could hear everything he was saying with Rey, so I haven't a clue what made him suddenly turn and attack Kane. It was so stupid that wasn't a casket match considering how much emphasis there was on it.
Me and Dan were considering Barrett will chase the WWE title (Barrett/Cena/Orton/Sheamus) and two of Nexus to go after tag titles.
It's going to be interesting how some of the Smackdown roster can get on the Night of Champions card. CM Punk mainly. Seems like most of it is already set in-stone.
Was it just me or did I hear 'Taker actually wheezing and coughing? :/
Miz vs. Bryan at Night of Champions seems a definite. I can just see Bryan winning, then Miz cashing in the MITB in desperation later in the night and losing. Hopefully not, but I'd be surprised if it didn't happen at some point this year as there's no way he'll be champion/contender during the Rumble-Mania months.
Looks like JoMo could be dropping further down the card with Bryan's arrival. Move him to SmackDown already!
muscularmatt
17-08-2010, 00:25
Miz will be the first MITB winner to fail, and that's tabernacle.
I'm not one for posting PPV posters, but I thought this (regardless of personnel) is excellent:
http://i36.tinypic.com/osskk4.jpg
It really is. I'd question the legitimacy of it though.
I think they need to start mixing up the opening match..In the past 5 PPVs, 4 of them have opened with the Inter-Continental title, and all 5 with Kofi Kingston. :/
Rest of my opinion on Night of Champions:
The hell were they thinking with the main event outcome? I thought they were holding back Orton's next title reign for a big PPV so it would mean something. He's been completely dominant in the build up so I'm really shocked he went over. Should've been Barrett or Sheamus. Poor Jericho.
Miz/Bryan was really, really good. Most likely Miz's best ever match. Lots of near falls and the crowd were fully immersed. Riley's become so useless it's hilarious.
The women's match? Fuck off! No-one can say Undertaker's not influenced this. She wasn't even women's champion, and now she has both? Rosa's accidental slap to Jillian was moment of the night.
The tag team match showed how little they care about the division and the Hart Dynasty. World title match showed early promise but ended being a bore.
Orton won tonight because they need a face to go into Hell In A Cell as the champ, defend it in a hard match and then have the Miz cash in.
I thought that Sheamus would retain and then face Hunter in the cell, but no Hunter return yet.
Miz vs Danielson - ****
Wow, I can't believe they did it! Barrett needed to win, and for once they did the right thing. He showed he was the real deal in a great match. It was worth it for the kid (and some adult) reactions.
The rest of the card was pretty predictable. Orton & Bryan retaining - check. Hell in a cells not brutal enough - check. Random match added to the card as filler - check.
But why on God's green earth do this with Bearer again? How many times has it happened? At least 3 I count. :faceplm:
What a crock of shit that turned out to be.
Buried alive match was predictably terrible. Why Nexus got involved is anyone's guess. Conclusion of the main event was diabolical. LayCool still champion, urgh. And Otunga as a champion is a joke.
Everything else was aight though. :lol:
Nexus attacking Taker doesn't make sense right now, but that's not a bad thing [/ddp]. Not knowing what is happening isn't so bad, as long as the result ends up good.
I would guess we'll see Barett vs Taker at 27 though.
Erm what?
First four matches were all good ranging ***-***1/2. Weak finishes, especially Morrison's knee and Del Rio not even returning, put a sour taste in my mouth.
No idea why the tag title match was that late on the card considering NO-ONE cared. Should've been much earlier. Divas match was good for what it was, especially Beth's return. Edge/Kane was horrible as expected.
But the main talking point is obviously Cena. What in the feck? They gave him a send-off as if he's being sentenced to death. I mean, if he's back tomorrow, the week after, the month after, at the Rumble or beyond it still makes that conclusion absolutely stink.
Striker shouting Cena's free. :faceplm: :faceplm:
No one caring for the tag titles is exactly why it was positioned between the two World titles. Allows people to calm down after the first title match (even though no one in their right mind would get excited over Kane vs Edge in 2010) and also allows them the chance to rock a piss. Before the main event, without missing an important match.
I'm not going to say anything on the Cena storyline until it is concluded. It's far from the end, so I'm going to give it the chance to run its course.
Well, let's cover the good first:
- JoMo vs Sheamus was excellent
- Inter-Continental title match was good considering it's length
- Best diva match in a long time
- World Heavyweight title match also good (much better than if Rey & Del Rio weren't involved)
Now the bad:
- Vince Russo endings. Ziggler picking up the title from the floor to win? Fuck off. BOTH conclusions of Miz/Orton? Fuck off. I was rubbing my sinuses it was that bad.
- Cody/Big Show filler. Worst PPV segment of the year.
- Cena/Barrett going on last. Should've been fatal-4-way.
- The typical Cena conclusion.
It's like whenever creative come up with something good they purposefully counter-act it with the most ridiculous decisions. Such a sour taste in the mouth.
Cena vs Barrett went on last because it was the conclusion of WWE's biggest and longest running feud of the year.
If it was just a match to further the feud then the TLC match would definitely have been the last match, seeing as a babyface won the match.
Apart from that, I agree with everything else.
muscularmatt
21-12-2010, 00:04
Surely the Cena/Nexus angle isn't over? It should culminate with match at the Royal Rumble (to keep Cena out of it) that's either Nexus disbands forever or Cena gets his spine severed surgically.
WWE Title match at Royal Rumbe will be Miz defending against Lawler with Cole as the special guest referee.
Calling it now.
:lmao: at Morrison, btw.
"Hey Morrison, how do you feel that WWE has more faith in a 61 year old man to headline a PPV, than you?"
"That's bogus man"
WWE Title match at Royal Rumbe will be Miz defending against Lawler with Cole as the special guest referee.
Calling it now.
:lmao: at Morrison, btw.
"Hey Morrison, how do you feel that WWE has more faith in a 61 year old man to headline a PPV, than you?"
"That's bogus man"
What has the WWE fallen to?
I just caught some of WWE Experience since I'm at my dads who has Sky Sports so I'm taking advantage of it, and it's genuinely terrible. Although the crowd actually sound fairly atmospheric considering it's pretty poor quality. Randy Orton seems quite decent compared to the rest of them, but he's still overcooking it a bit possibly.
Bloody PG era.
It can be hit and miss. One week you can have a good show, but then the next it just goes to shit.
Randy Orton is ok. He seems to want to be Austin though, which he couldn't even be in his dreams.
Fans are the same. Some are good one week and some are shit the next. Just depends what City they are in.
CM Punk is currently the best performer, imo. Guy just has it all. Similar to Chris Jericho. Yet completely different characters and movesets.
WWE Title match at Royal Rumbe will be Miz defending against Lawler with Cole as the special guest referee.
Calling it now.
And Lawler wins to put an end to the worst WWE title reign in history. I'd just love to hear Barn's opinion of The Miz, but I guess there aren't enough profanities in the world.
It's not Miz's fault that he has had shit guys to feud with such as Lawler and Morrison; someone who is long past it and someone who will NEVER have it.
muscularmatt
30-12-2010, 20:22
I hope they don't try to ham up CM Punk as the heel too much. I refuse to boo him over Cena, when he attacked him with the chair I jumped out of my chair.
Andy, you are wrong. The Miz is the greatest WWE Champion since the attitude era.
What are you talking about, Matt? You don't want them to make Punk (who is already a heel) a heel?
Looks like the feuds dead for now seeing as Cena's injured though, right? It's a damn shame, considering I was looking forward to it. I'm certain Punk will continue his epicness with The Nexus, though.
Anyways, really enjoyed RAW this week, and TLC was much better than I expected.
Think Cena's injury is not as serious as first thought. Probably will still be out for a bit. Or maybe he will still be on the show, but not wrestle.
muscularmatt
31-12-2010, 07:31
... Or maybe he will still be on the show, but not wrestle.
Just like every other week then, eh?
:joel:
It's not Miz's fault that he has had shit guys to feud with such as Lawler and Morrison; someone who is long past it and someone who will NEVER have it.
Lol excuses.
It'll go down in history as a catastrophe. David Arquette as WCW champion, Hornswoggle as Cruiserweight champ, Harvey Wippleman as Women's champ and The Miz as WWE champion. Probably harsh on Arquette to be associated with the other 3 though.
Andy, you are wrong. The Miz is the greatest WWE Champion since the attitude era.
:banplz:
You know I speak truth, Anderson.
Miz is good, but he is not good enough to carry shit like Lawler and Morrison yet. Give the guy a chance to grow in the main event. He needs the likes of HHH and Cena to bring him through.
I won't ban Matt, because he is probably right :cool:
I'm starting to think you gave perro your password. The fact you mention Miz having to try and 'carry' them, when both are infinitely better wrestlers, is laughable. Lawler is 61 and still more mobile in the ring. You're probably just trolling me though, as no-one can be that clueless. Not even bboy ¬_¬
Cena and HHH would squash Miz, and I'll be happy for it.
If I was only talking about the match, then you would have a point. But Miz obviously has to carry the feud between him and Morrison, because Morrison can't speak on the mic or act.
Morrison is probably 50 times the wrestler Miz is, yet he still isn't close to a WWE title reign. Why is that, Anderson? Because he can't build a story and the WWE title is all about stories.
Leave bboy and perro out of this, they have more rep than you :joel:
Morrison can't act but Miz can? :lol:
MAYBE I'LL JUST SHOUT AT ALEX RILEY, TRYING TO LOOK ANGRY, BUT NEARLY BURST OUT LAUGHING INSTEAD.
Morrison is probably 50 times the wrestler Miz is, yet he still isn't close to a WWE title reign. Why is that, Anderson?
Why was Sheamus champion after 4 weeks on Raw? They're backed by people in high places. Or just give a great blowjob.
Of course Miz can act. That is the only reason he's where he is now. He's not buddy buddy to the McMahon's or Hunter. And he's no Chris Benoit in the ring.
The Miz is a mother fucking superstar. And that's a fact jack. And I'll end it like this:
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Just out of curiousity, is TLC worth getting hold of to watch? I've not been blown away by the lesser PPV's this year.
TLC was a good PPV. As much as I can't stand him, Morrison is a great ring worker and his match with Sheamus was one of the best ladder matches in recent times. In fact, you could argue it could be a top 5 contender.
And then half of the other matches were really good and the others were decent. I don't think there was a bad match on the card.
Watch it if you can.
I can indeed. Will watch it tomorrow, Looking forward to it too. What were the best matches on the card by the way in your opinion?
1. Sheamus vs John Morrison
2. Fatal 4 TLC
3. Triple Threat Ladder Match
4. Divas Table Match (No lie. It was actually very good)
Funny you mentioning the Divas match being good - when I went to watch the DX invasion tour in Cardiff in 2009 the Divas tag match actually ran the main event close as the best match.
muscularmatt
31-12-2010, 21:15
Cena and HHH would squash Miz, and I'll be happy for it.
Only because Miz isn't on as many roids as them, and Vince has a boner for big guys.
Just currently watching the TLC PPV, and I'm up to the Rey Mysterio, Kane etc match. So far I'm very underwhelmed, but I guess that's because people have said it was good.
The Dolph, Kofi, other guy match was actually quite shit unfortunately. The Divas match however was surprisingly fairly good and I have to commend them for putting on a decent show. I quite enjoyed the Santino, Vlad tag match for what it was, a little snippet match and it was entertaining, and the Santino & Vlad partnership is packed with character and was fairly enjoyable to watch. The Sheamus/Morrison match was fairly good but nothing special really, and the Sheamus ladder spot was pretty embarrassing to watch as it was so weakly executed - even if Morrison just threw a single push it would have been fine as opposed to a pathetic little brush of the shoulder as an excuse for a push, it really didn't work, although the end was quite good to watch. The Orton/Miz match was alright, the twists and turns in the match progress were decent enough but I can't help but feel the overall quality of the PPV so far has been just "fairly alright". Having a whole PPV around the idea of TLC just isn't right, and it makes these matches and moments feel forced somewhat as opposed to spontaneously entertaining. It's quite unfortunate really.
Yeah I watched TLC earlier and was left feeling a bit disappointed, I probably built up my own expectations too much. At least The Royal Rumble is next, I'm not sure who's getting a push at the moment but I'd be surprised if its not Orton.
Indeed.
Just wondering too, I'm guessing chair shots to the head are no longer allowed at all in the WWE? It's understandable after the results of that Chris Benoit study, but still, it's just pathetic really seeing only jabs to the ribs and shots to the back with a chair.
muscularmatt
02-01-2011, 01:00
Yep, head shots have been disallowed for some time now, as has anything else that might make the under 12s cry. As for the Rumble, I can't see any surprise winner. There are too many people you might 'expect' to win it, so it's gonna be one from Cena, Orton, Sheamus or maaaaybe if they are clever a returning HHH or Taker.
That is odd especially when there were still ladder shots being aimed at heads. Connecting or otherwise seems odd you wouldn't hit someone in the head with a chair - but would aim a 10 foot ladder at someone's head!
What I find a bit odder is that they've completely banned chairshots to the head, when actually, the wrestlers could quite easily just move their hands into position to cover their heads as the chairshot is coming down. We seen a lot of wrestlers do this, we also seen a lot take direct shots to the head, but lets not forget many also "blocked" them with their hands. Why can this not be allowed anymore? It'd essentially be the same as having their head "slammed" against the steel steps - you know - when they they actually use their hands to take the blow. Sure the chairshot would obviously not hit the head of the wrestler, but it would still give the appearance of it doing so, which is afterall what the wrestling business is all about. It just makes little sense, and it really does look quite painfully contrived when a superstar is apparently "livid" or "desperate" to harm his opponent, yet always has to maneuver in order to hit just their stomach or back. Hmm...
Its about as daft as the whole sledgehammer shots to the head and torso using the handle! Why use it at all if the WWE are worried about kids or easily impressionable nut cases smashing skulls in with the clubbing end! I think Triple H is a bonafide legend but his Sledgehammer signature weapon of choice was shite.
40 man Royal Rumble? :huh:
I can't wait to see the addition of Husky Harris, Chavo Guerrero & Darren Young.
40 men? Wow. We're going to have an entry every 5 seconds?
Undertaker returns with a 10 minute entrance. Either that or UNDENTACKERRULES really is a booker now.
It's funny that they're doing this now when the roster is at its most threadbare.
Ugh... Cena is definitely winning it. Then they will harp on about him winning the first 40 man royal rumble.
You said you're doing the PPV predicitions again this year, yeah?
Please no! Wouldn't be surprised to see Cena break Rey's 62(?) minute record though.
Yeah, I'll do it. Gets about as much interest as your Mafia Wars will. :serial:
muscularmatt
31-01-2011, 03:43
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AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWSSSSSSSSSSO MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMME!
Are u fucking watching this?!?!
That's the last ppv I ever watch, the WWE has had it.
muscularmatt
31-01-2011, 05:23
Yeah, tbf it was pretty crap overall. No HHH, no Awesome Kong, no Y2J. Kane? As the last man?? The fucker that can't decide whether he's a goodie or a baddie? Fuck him right up.
Well I marked out. The right man definitely won.
AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWSSSSSSSSSSO MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMME!
Are u fucking watching this?!?!
Yes. The Miz & John Cena will definitely tear the house down at WrestleMania. :joel:
Only marked for about 3 things:
-Unprettier by Edge
-Bookah
-JoMo's leap
Was pretty bad in all honesty. Nexus were too dominant; made everything pointless as we knew Cena would be the one to disrupt things. Punk & Morrison (especially) went too early and the whole Hornswoggle thing is possibly the worst thing I've ever endured. Just had to be Orton who eliminated Kofi though, didn't it?
Not too bad a winner. Someone new in more ways than one.. he's not even been around 6 months. Was hoping for Wade even if it didn't make much storyline sense.
Alex Riley hahahahahahaha
JoMo's leap was unreal. I also didn't understand why he went so early.
Cena vs Miz
Orton vs Punk
Del Rio vs Edge
Barrett vs Undertaker
Rhodes vs Mysterio
These look nailed on right now.
Yeah JoMo done well to not mess that spot up. Amazing agility.
Overall I thought the Rumble was okay. The whole New Nexus dominating thing, as much as I love Punk, went on for too long. I felt Booker should of stayed in longer, but that may be just because Booker is one of my favourites of all time. Also great to see Diesel aswell.
JoMo's leap was unreal. I also didn't understand why he went so early.
Cena vs Miz
Orton vs Punk
Del Rio vs Edge
Barrett vs Undertaker
Rhodes vs Mysterio
These look nailed on right now.
Yep, all are likely. But hoping Christian gets into the world title match! I was reaally hoping he was going to return when Del Rio started celebrating. Wouldn't surprise me if he's back on Smackdown this week.
So much for Kong's debut eh? I'm still at a loss with the booking for the women's match. Fourth participant...Kong surely? Beth likely? Nope, Eve.
If anyone happens to know of a place or link that may 'direct' me in the right direction, and I may just so happen to stumble upon the Royal Rumble PPV, then I'd be most appreciative. Preferably in a PM of course.
Yep, all are likely. But hoping Christian gets into the world title match! I was reaally hoping he was going to return when Del Rio started celebrating. Wouldn't surprise me if he's back on Smackdown this week.
So much for Kong's debut eh? I'm still at a loss with the booking for the women's match. Fourth participant...Kong surely? Beth likely? Nope, Eve.
I was actually going to put Christian's name in brackets to signal a triple threat, but then I remembered it's Christian :(
Kong is going to squash Eve. Don't you worry about that. I don't think they wanted to squash Nattie how Eve's going to get it.
I'm having difficulty viewing any video of the PPV minus the actual Rumble match itself. Prior to that just doesn't seem to work, and cuts off after the first minute or so.
Still the Rumble match itself wasn't bad, and there was some funny moments but a slight disappointment in the lack of surprises. I remember one time back in the day when Doink came out, man, those were the days. Seeing Booker was amazing though, he tore the roof off of that bitch!
Doubt I'll bother trying to watch the rest of the event since it sounds pretty poor.
PS: Santino is hilarious as hell, everytime he does the cobra it cracks me up. Got to give him credit, he's got charisma.
Seeing the winner of the Rumble was like seeing Andy Carroll go for £35M. The long list of greats gone before him that cost more and less.
I don't follow as much as I used to because its just shit, but the RR, SurvivorSeries, Summerslam and WM are still must watch events. (I even heard SurvivorSeries isnt even what it used to be :faceplm:)
^ They were actually thinking of getting rid of Survivor Series, HH.
The guy that won the RR is great though, HH. Seriously one of the only good things in the business today.
Edit:
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One of the best fan made wrestling picture I have seen.
muscularmatt
01-02-2011, 04:36
That poster is nice Joel. And yes HH, Survivor Series was wank last year.
He does look great, but then again I guess i'm more old fashioned in that I like watching wrestlers build up themselves and then get to the top the way so many before him have done. It just seems that the WWE are forcing them into the spotlight to make more monies. I swear Sheamus was on the cover of the new SD vs Raw?
And yes HH, Survivor Series was wank last year.
It was OK outside of the moronic Cena being fired storyline. SummerSlam was worse!
BarnDoor
01-02-2011, 09:53
Looks like it might just come to fruition:
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Very reminiscent of this:
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It's got me wet. I will definitely tune in but I wont have high hopes for Sting to win. Maybe a draw?
Nah, Taker would win. Even Sting would want that. Assuming it would be against Undertaker. It might only be an appearance for HOF induction. But Undertaker/Sting would be the mega match they need for this year as Miz/Cena and Edge/Del Rio aren't main even worthy.
Has to be for Sting though. Not Jericho, not HHH, Bourne, Kong, Mistico.
It was OK outside of the moronic Cena being fired storyline. SummerSlam was worse!
And Kane vs Edge, although maybe you were purposely surpressing that to the back of your mind?
BarnDoor
01-02-2011, 11:15
I think a one-hour draw would be perfect. Undertaker doesn't lose, Sting isn't squashed, and the fags get a great match.
They should have got Sting in earlier and done him against Flair as Flair's 'last match'. But Flair goes out with a win.
And Kane vs Edge, although maybe you were purposely surpressing that to the back of your mind?
Well, it was very good then Kane/Edge took to down to "OK" (we had low expectations here anyway). But they went and royally fucked up the main event and took it down to bad.
I also forgot it could be a promo for Undertaker, but I doubt it.
Are we getting Lawler vs Miz at EC? :lmao:
Well, it was very good then Kane/Edge took to down to "OK" (we had low expectations here anyway). But they went and royally fucked up the main event and took it down to bad.
I also forgot it could be a promo for Undertaker, but I doubt it.
Are we getting Lawler vs Miz at EC? :lmao:
Yep, Lawler vs. Miz, but I'm pretty sure they are doing that so Miz can believably make it to Wrestlemania as champion. I'd of much prefered Punk taking the title, but then again if Punk won the WWE title he'd almost certainly drop it to Cena at 'Mania.
I'm hoping that the 2.21.11 promo's are for Sting, and it looks likely if you compare them to the WCW Starrcade 1997 promo videos. Sting vs Undertaker will be awesome, though.
muscularmatt
01-02-2011, 19:28
Well when I saw that promo on Raw, I presumed Taker. But it is very similar to that old Starrcade one. If it is Sting then that'd be fucking mega. Surely they wouldn't bother with a promo like that it was just for a HOF appearance?
That's why it makes me think that if it is Sting, he is indeed wrestling Undertaker at Wrestlemania. Although then I read a report today stating that Undertaker might not be back before Wrestlemania due to his injury. Who knows, but whatever the whole 2.21.11 promo video is, it's got my interest.
The NY Daily News are reporting Sting's signed a 1 year deal with WWE. The promo is either for him or for just a returning 'Taker, can't imagine it'll be for HHH or anyone else.
Few weeks ago I couldn't see it happening at Mania. Now I feel like I've gone back 10+ years in terms of anticipation.
muscularmatt
01-02-2011, 20:21
Well, I've made no secret of the fact that PPVs, which have always been the mainstay of excitement and good entertainment, haven't been very good over the past couple of years in general.
Whatever happens, an awesome 'mania is needed. Or else brutha.
Woah, woah woah.
Why were there only 4 "matches" at RR? Why were there 40 entrants rather than 30 and since when have wrestlers who thought earlier in the night (Orton) also entered the Rumble???
1 - 4 matches because the extra 10 superstars meant an extra 10 minutes for them to enter and around 5-10 mins for them to be eliminated.
The Royal Rumble match is the only thing that really matters imo.
2 - No idea why they went for 40. The 10 extras were basically jobbers anyway.
3 - No idea about that too. Maybe another reason why they wanted 40. Didn't make much sense as they got eliminated anyway :S
1) The RR only ever mattered to me, but I always seemed to remember 6 or so matches in the past.
2) I saw Booker T and Diesel were in it? :)
3) I've seen it before, but usually they're not an official entrant but run down to beat down someone else and either eliminate or cause their elimination.
Wrestling isn't what it used to be :(
CRISSGRAN
03-02-2011, 20:38
That's why it makes me think that if it is Sting, he is indeed wrestling Undertaker at Wrestlemania. Although then I read a report today stating that Undertaker might not be back before Wrestlemania due to his injury. Who knows, but whatever the whole 2.21.11 promo video is, it's got my interest.
I agree, I'm hoping it is Sting because it doesn't seem very Takery to me, not his style with rain lashing down and a cabin. Since he was supposed to be Buried Alive you would think he would be wandering a cemetary or something and he usually always has much more demonic promos. Plus if he was returning surely he'd still be on Smackdown in order to get revenge on Wade Barrett for what he did etc
Booker T's commentry lol.
muscularmatt
21-02-2011, 02:25
That segment was pure concerntrated shitjizzm.
Christian's back tho! GTFI!
Wow that was abit dodgey from Trish but she was wearing mahusive heels lol
^
True. Plus she hasn't wrestled for more than 4 years or so.
Edit:
:lmao: at Cena eating Fruity Pebbles.
muscularmatt
21-02-2011, 03:23
Hmmm, well. Reasonably crap overall. We obviously know what's going to happen now, even though there's over half an hour left.
FUCK YOU CENA! FUCK YOU CENA! FUCK YOU CENA!
John Morrison was awesome. Deserved better than 3rd. Climbing the roof of the chamber...great stuff. Shame he was the only one to be smashed through the cells and it was a few times as well! Last match was good bar the predictable ending.
Why do they have to ruin the show with that fucking laptop beeping with a 'message from Vince'. If he's not going to make an appearance cut him the fuck out.
Christian's back!!
JoMo's THE man. He really should've been in the final two as there's no way Punk was going to win. Only Morrison and Cena were the possible winners. As usual, the chamber matches deliver and then some (but when they put no effort in the rest of the card, you expect it)
Absolutely nothing unpredictable about tonight. They're really going with the Miz vs Cena [hahahaha]. Lawrence Taylor vs Bam Bam finally has some competition.
Christian! Trish! I don't care about her botch or awkward mic time, it's Trish for crying out loud.
I can't wait for the day Michael Cole gets the fuck off commentary. Undeniably the worst announcer going.
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EDIT: And I almost forgot: Big Show :faceplm:
So wanted orton to main event WM 27, oh well Thuganamics will do lol. JoMo's actually deserves last night's winner imo and Punk what a moron. Woohoo, Chris's back nice one for taking out Del Rio the cunt.
M. Cole what a bitch, he shouldn't be commentaring a another cunt, he should be one of the interviewers in the back stage tbh.
@ Andy: Nothing but pure hate.
@ Andy: Nothing but pure hate.
Your point being? I'm under no illusion and the hatred is fully justifiable.
I find matches featuring The Miz more unbearable than ever, and that's not even Miz's fault. It's that joke voiceover refusing to call the action. Even Booker T's drug-induced rants were more entertaining. I actually have to stick it on mute/skip through large segments.
Lol @ refusing to call the action. Yeah, because Vince isn't the one who is pushing this new character and also Vince doesn't tell the announcers what to say.
Cole is not an announcer anymore. He's an on air personality. He's a character. He's being used for storyline purpose.
He's supposed to piss you off. You're not supposed to like what he says. And you're still watching the shows instead of not turning the channel or closing your media player, so job done.
Miz vs Cena isn't the main event I wanted either. I'm a Miz fan, but I didn't want him in the title picture around WM time. But he now has a guy who knows how to hype a match, who always gets a reaction out of the crowd. So the build up will be good.
If Cole's just a personality, why has he become the "voice of WWE"? Why is he on every single show? He's gone NXT season 3 across the border now and tries to bury everything in sight. That's not good for your product. He's pretty damn close to making me metaphorically change the channel. There's trolling like Miz with his "better than Lou Thesz" lines, but Cole takes it to a whole new dimension.
Less said about Vince calling these shots the better. Here's a guy who probably green lighted Hornswoggle having a 15 minute stint in the Royal Rumble. Good head for business, but questionable judgement at the best of times.
Nice to see John Cena finally gets his WrestleMania moment. He's right in saying he needed it after the year he had. It's not like he had anything significant at 21, 22, 23, 25 or 26. They're going to need a unbelievably stacked card as Rock won't cut it alone.
If Cole's just a personality, why has he become the "voice of WWE"? Why is he on every single show? He's gone NXT season 3 across the border now and tries to bury everything in sight. That's not good for your product. He's pretty damn close to making me metaphorically change the channel. There's trolling like Miz with his "better than Lou Thesz" lines, but Cole takes it to a whole new dimension.
The whole voice of the WWE is his gimmick. He's on every show to continue to get more and more heat, which he obviously does.
Every single thing he does is to piss everyone off. Standing up and clapping, hating on all babyfaces, saying Miz and him has a personal relationship... Everything is over the top. That is how he has been told to act.
Less said about Vince calling these shots the better. Here's a guy who probably green lighted Hornswoggle having a 15 minute stint in the Royal Rumble. Good head for business, but questionable judgement at the best of times.
My point is that you are saying Cole is refusing to call the action. No. He is being told to present himself in that way by McMahon.
Nice to see John Cena finally gets his WrestleMania moment. He's right in saying he needed it after the year he had. It's not like he had anything significant at 21, 22, 23, 25 or 26. They're going to need a unbelievably stacked card as Rock won't cut it alone.
So who should main event then? I'm not a fan of Cena being in 7 WM championship matches in a row, but I rather see him than the only other main event face - Orton. Don't even mention Morrison. Just don't.
The whole voice of the WWE is his gimmick. He's on every show to continue to get more and more heat, which he obviously does.
Every single thing he does is to piss everyone off. Standing up and clapping, hating on all babyfaces, saying Miz and him has a personal relationship... Everything is over the top. That is how he has been told to act.
As far as I'm concerned it's X-Pac heat.
Heels in the past, your Jesse Ventura, Jerry Lawler, JBL; they all worked because they complemented the play-by-play guy. On Raw, Cole is supposed to be that guy. Yet he focuses on cutting promos over a Bryan match. If he were to step away from the booth and become Miz's full time manager I'd be all for it. He just sucks at the announcing gig.
He still fucks up calling basic moves and facts (Booker a 5 time world champ eh?), and I'm sure that's not down to Vince.
My point is that you are saying Cole is refusing to call the action. No. He is being told to present himself in that way by McMahon.
I can't just slate Vince for everything though. Look at how much blame Cena gets for his gimmick and dominance - most of which is creative's fault. But since Cena is what we see and hear we're going to rant on him personally.
So who should main event then? I'm not a fan of Cena being in 7 WM championship matches in a row, but I rather see him than the only other main event face - Orton. Don't even mention Morrison. Just don't.
Anybody. Cena's big enough to have WM matches without the title. Why can't I mention Morrison? If Miz can be in the 'main event', Morrison certainly could. If you had those two face off in the midcard of the event (and if Morrison wins, you've got a unique WrestleMania moment!), you have Cena free to face anyone else in a high profile match. They booked themselves in the corner knowing that Rock wasn't going to wrestle him.
As far as I'm concerned it's X-Pac heat.
Heels in the past, your Jesse Ventura, Jerry Lawler, JBL; they all worked because they complemented the play-by-play guy. On Raw, Cole is supposed to be that guy. Yet he focuses on cutting promos over a Bryan match. If he were to step away from the booth and become Miz's full time manager I'd be all for it. He just sucks at the announcing gig.
He still fucks up calling basic moves and facts (Booker a 5 time world champ eh?), and I'm sure that's not down to Vince.
Of course it is X-Pac heat to you. Everyone likes to use that when they someone they don't like gets over as a heel. No surprise here.
All those guys - their role was still as an announcer. All of this Cole stuff has been built up to exactly what happened between him and Lawler on Raw.
Let me say it again - he is being used to be an on air personality. He's a coward, who hides behind his headset and the GM. But it's all going to change at WrestleMania.
He's always sucked at being an announcer. But who the fuck cares if he messes up little facts? J.R. used to call people by the wrong name constantly - who cares? During the 90's, if a woman was a manager, Lawler would not call the match, instead he would go on about puppies and act said when the match is over and the manager left - who cares?
I can't just slate Vince for everything though. Look at how much blame Cena gets for his gimmick and dominance - most of which is creative's fault. But since Cena is what we see and hear we're going to rant on him personally.
Well you can blame Vince for this, as it is a known fact that he is constantly feeding announcers lines during the show. Want more facts? Go read up on what pissed Foley and Tazz off when they were at the booth.
Anybody. Cena's big enough to have WM matches without the title. Why can't I mention Morrison? If Miz can be in the 'main event', Morrison certainly could. If you had those two face off in the midcard of the event (and if Morrison wins, you've got a unique WrestleMania moment!), you have Cena free to face anyone else in a high profile match. They booked themselves in the corner knowing that Rock wasn't going to wrestle him.
Just because Miz is in the main event, it doesn't mean you go and fuck it up even more and put Morrison in it. Since when does fucking things up twice, turns everything into a positive?
Yeah, no one cares for that Morrison moment except his little fanbase. He doesn't interest me at all. Plus, why do we need to have a childhood dream angle? It's been done countless times. Will it make him more interesting? I think it just makes him as generic as he is. He can be in the MITB match and showcase his skills at a maximum there. Whether he wins or not, I don't care.
Cena is facing Miz to try to cement him in the main event. Just as Edge is facing Del Rio to try to cement him in the main event. They aren't exactly glamourous WM matches, but this is what happens when you have failed to bring up younger guys frequently.
How would you describe David Otunga? He's not exactly doing his job well because he gets heat for fucking up his wrestling. Cole adds zero excitement to matches for me; he doesn't immerse me in the slightest. J.R. was always going insane, and I'd allow the slightest hiccup because he was selling the match so beautifully. Cole sells no-one but himself.
It isn't really a boyhood dream for Morrison, but when was the last time somebody won their first world title at WM? Not since Rey at 22. There's a good chance Del Rio will get one, but since he's not face it doesn't go with the feel good factor they try and capture at WrestleMania. I don't say put it as the main event (God knows Miz/Cena would bomb in that department as it is), if you made it a midcard WWE title match it establishes both men.
The only way Cena is going to cement Miz as a main event fixture is if he puts Miz over. Which isn't happening. Not a bloody chance. What Miz needed was a good victory to show his worth before WM, a title defence in the chamber would have done that. Instead he faced a near pensioner and it screams mediocre. You may say "they're booking him to look weak, to look beatable and make you want him to lose the belt", but when he does where does he go from there? He no longer has his prop to brag about.
How would you describe David Otunga? He's not exactly doing his job well because he gets heat for fucking up his wrestling. Cole adds zero excitement to matches for me; he doesn't immerse me in the slightest. J.R. was always going insane, and I'd allow the slightest hiccup because he was selling the match so beautifully. Cole sells no-one but himself.
Well I guess the main thing in that paragraph was, "Cole adds zero excitement to matches for me". It really is split down the middle. Some like his constant trolling. Other don't.
I know that you will enjoy Lawler destroying him at WM, more now than you would have one year ago. And for me, that is mission accomplished for the bookers.
It isn't really a boyhood dream for Morrison, but when was the last time somebody won their first world title at WM? Not since Rey at 22. There's a good chance Del Rio will get one, but since he's not face it doesn't go with the feel good factor they try and capture at WrestleMania. I don't say put it as the main event (God knows Miz/Cena would bomb in that department as it is), if you made it a midcard WWE title match it establishes both men.
But if it is not at the end of the night (the true main event) then that moment will be overshadowed easily. Look at WM21. No one thinks of Cena winning the title for the first time. They remember Batsita, because he was the last image.
For Morrison to have that moment, he'd need to be going against a top heel (something Miz is not) and it would have to be the main event.
I honestly think having the WWE title match in the midcard and then having it change hands, doesn't do anyone any good. It'd be an afterthought.
That is why when the title match is in the midcard, it's usually a heel winning or the title being retained.
The only way Cena is going to cement Miz as a main event fixture is if he puts Miz over. Which isn't happening. Not a bloody chance. What Miz needed was a good victory to show his worth before WM, a title defence in the chamber would have done that. Instead he faced a near pensioner and it screams mediocre. You may say "they're booking him to look weak, to look beatable and make you want him to lose the belt", but when he does where does he go from there? He no longer has his prop to brag about.
"they're booking him to look weak, to look beatable and make you want him to lose the belt"
I actually won't say that. Instead, I'll agree with you there. His WWE title reign booking has been ridiculous and yes, it is very medicore.
He is losing at WM. But that is only because Del Rio is winning. So I think there is a chance for him to take it back within a few months. If that happens, people will start to believe he belongs in the main event.
But that is still a big "if".
Well I guess the main thing in that paragraph was, "Cole adds zero excitement to matches for me". It really is split down the middle. Some like his constant trolling. Other don't.
You can't be one to enjoy his constant trolling though surely? At this stage it's good that he's made to call the really big matches actually as a commentator (e.g. the chambers), but to quote somebody on WF, imagine his antics during an epic 25 minute bout between Bryan + Punk. It'll be weird to see Miz/Cena without Cole chirping away (if indeed, King does a number on him).
But if it is not at the end of the night (the true main event) then that moment will be overshadowed easily. Look at WM21. No one thinks of Cena winning the title for the first time. They remember Batsita, because he was the last image.
I think what most people remember about 21 is the awesome undercard and lacklustre second half :joel:
"they're booking him to look weak, to look beatable and make you want him to lose the belt"
I actually won't say that. Instead, I'll agree with you there. His WWE title reign booking has been ridiculous and yes, it is very medicore.
He is losing at WM. But that is only because Del Rio is winning. So I think there is a chance for him to take it back within a few months. If that happens, people will start to believe he belongs in the main event.
But that is still a big "if".
How do you see the feud panning out? In the last God knows how many years feuds have always continued past WM with gimmick matches galore. But I can't imagine them in Last Man Standing or whatever due to their mismatch in stature. At Fatal-4-Way (if it's still going) you may have Punk & Orton in there, but for Extreme Rules and Over The Limit? I haven't a clue.
Interesting note about the possibility of both titles switching is that it hasn't happened in 6 years. At this point I wouldn't say Del Rio is nailed on to win.
You can't be one to enjoy his constant trolling though surely? At this stage it's good that he's made to call the really big matches actually as a commentator (e.g. the chambers), but to quote somebody on WF, imagine his antics during an epic 25 minute bout between Bryan + Punk. It'll be weird to see Miz/Cena without Cole chirping away (if indeed, King does a number on him).
I like his trolling, because he says a lot of things I agree with. Hating on Natalya for instance.
But at the same time, I can't wait to see him get his ass kicked at WM. It's going to be hilarious.
I think what most people remember about 21 is the awesome undercard and lacklustre second half :joel:
Regardless, they always show Batista on top of the turnbuckle, raising the title with the fireworks in the background. Never do they show Cena in the crowd with the title.
How do you see the feud panning out? In the last God knows how many years feuds have always continued past WM with gimmick matches galore. But I can't imagine them in Last Man Standing or whatever due to their mismatch in stature. At Fatal-4-Way (if it's still going) you may have Punk & Orton in there, but for Extreme Rules and Over The Limit? I haven't a clue.
Interesting note about the possibility of both titles switching is that it hasn't happened in 6 years. At this point I wouldn't say Del Rio is nailed on to win.
I see them having a rematch against Extreme Rules. With Cena going over. I hope the Miz will, but highly unlikely. And that will be the end of it.
Over the limit, he will defend against Punk. Punk will win the rematch against Orton at Extreme Rules, I feel. Which will put him at the top of the line. Also, their business isn't even finished. It hardly started.
That's an interesting note (double title switch). I see it happening this year. Del Rio winning the Rumble and then losing to Edge - a man who is ready to retire - at WrestleMania would be the dumbest thing I've ever seen.
muscularmatt
22-02-2011, 20:36
I do enjoy what they've done with Cole over the past year or so. But he does sometimes take it too far. But at the same time you now can't take him seriously when he now sits there doing the nice, smiley, neuteral commentator bit.
So that leads me to think that this angle might be running towards the end of him on the desk, atleast on Raw anyway.
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Not even Cena winning the title could change my mood. Christian finally winning the World title was fantastic. I'm so happy for the guy. So many talented guys have gone down in histroy to be "one of the greats not to hold a World championship", I'm glad he will not be in that group. Really can't wait for Smackdown now.
Overall, it was a good PPV. They had some really solid matches (*** 1/2ers). Looking forward to seeing the fallouts of this and the draft.
I didn't watch the PPV, but caught Kharma's debut on YouTube before they took it down this morning. Awesome.
I'm surprised they went with the "logical" way of things, with Christian keeping the World Title on SD and Kofi beating Sheamus so one of the secondary titles gets taken back to Raw. So much for the "ZOMG ALL TITLES ARE GONNA BE UNIFIED BECAUSE THE INTERNET KNOWS EVERYTHING!!!" theory. :D
- Wanted to cry at Christian winning with him and Edge getting all emotional. Vince has a heart after all!
- Kharma's debut was great.
- That tag title match was random as fuck
- GO AWAY MICHAEL COLE. SERIOUSLY WHY?
- lol Miz
http://www.wrestlingforum.com/9658336-post4780.html - rating the whipping abortion the same as ladder match :lmao:
Star/score ratings for matches is so fucking stupid, anyway. Even more so, when people start adding half stars/points. What the fuck is that all about? What is the thinking?
"Hmmm, yeah - good match, but they were one clothesline away from making it a three star match. Well, 2.5 stars it is..."
I just don't get it.
Star/score ratings for matches is so fucking stupid, anyway. Even more so, when people start adding half stars/points. What the fuck is that all about? What is the thinking?
"Hmmm, yeah - good match, but they were one clothesline away from making it a three star match. Well, 2.5 stars it is..."
I just don't get it.
muscularmatt
23-05-2011, 01:12
Nice to see the Macho Man mentioned at the start of the show. Did wonder if they'd just pretend he never existed or something.
What an incredibly dull show. Mike Chioda GOAT.
- Christian/Orton was the ONLY match worth watching.
- Glad Cole finally got his 2-month late comeuppance. Why didn't they book that at Mania?
- The Mexican match was decent, but suffered from that embarrassing ending botch that even Sin Cara was shaking his head at.
- Punk and Barrett extend their streaks to 0-10 and 0-8 respectively.
- R-Truth with his greatest ever entrance theme!
- Loved the Batista chants at Mason
- That main event :lmao: :lmao:
R-Truth/Mysterio - **1/4
Barrett/Jackson - *3/4
Sin Cara/Chavo - **1/2
Big Show & Kane/Punk & Ryan - **
Brie/Kelly - 1/2*
Orton/Christian - ****
Cole/Lawler - *
Cena/Miz - at a loss here
I take the above back. Chioda is not GOAT.
Pretty dull again imo. Three good matches, two screwed by DIRE endings. Firstly the confusion to the Ziggler/Kofi match, then Christian getting fucked over. I realise it'll be the way to get him another title shot, but the fact you had Lawler trying to say he didn't have his foot under the rope even after replays say otherwise is taking the piss. And after all the reversals Chioda's done this year, he lets this one go? Baffling.
Punk got his yearly PPV win! Great match, unexpectedly long.
I didn't even bother with the fake Obama shit. I simply don't have the patience for it anymore. Out of 10, did that skit even reach the scales of 1 on enjoyment?
Don't know why people are using spoiler tags to be honest. It'd be silly for anyone not to have seen the PPV yet to even think about entering this thread.
Haribo, you say it was a dull PPV despite saying there was 3 decent matches. I mean, sure it's not amazing, but even 3 good matches probably contribute to a half-decent PPV as opposed to simply dull.
I really enjoyed the Ziggler match, but that's probably because I enjoy watching Ziggler, a bit of a fan. I think he just reminds me of old school Billy Gunn with his attire, hair and moveset, which is always nostalgic. He's a solid performer and as I say, he can produce some nice moves and variation to the match whereas I think Kofi is becoming quite predictable and tedious with his moves despite some being "high-flying".
The CM Punk match was probably the best of the night to be honest, some really nice moves stringed together at times and for the most part it flowed wonderfully. Oh, and about that supposed Punk announcement...never happened did it? :lol:
Overall it wasn't a bad PPV, of course I wouldn't pay for it, but the set and the ring design was really nice and it just adds to the theme and whatnot. It's more than just wrestling of course, it's the entertainment aspect - the theatre. Cena and Truth's match could have been better mind if Cena wasn't calling the entire match so loudly that you could predict each upcoming minute in the match. :lol: Bloody tool.
Haribo, you say it was a dull PPV despite saying there was 3 decent matches. I mean, sure it's not amazing, but even 3 good matches probably contribute to a half-decent PPV as opposed to simply dull.
WrestleMania managed 4 decent matches, didn't stop it from being dreadful. I say it was dull because when you look back on it, will you remember anything in 12 months time?
Maybe it's because I was expecting such tedium. Repeat feuds from last year, all 8 matches on the card being 1v1. And as good as R-Truth's character has become, he doesn't belong in the main event of a PPV.
You've probably now seen that Punk made his announcement on Raw.
I know what you mean about Truth main eventing PPVs. As brilliant as his character is and his promo performances, he's not really a believable main eventer - you could tell he was relying upon every word of Cena's during the match. Anyone see when Cena talked to Truth, but it was audible enough and the camera panned in to see Truth replying with "huh?" :lol: The camera also needs to pan around a little more, or even further out for the pinfalls as it's becoming too obvious when they're kicking out because of the eyes of the guy flat on his back as he's checking the referee's arms. For some reason the camera now always seems to be around the head, which just ruins the tension of the pinfall of course.
Doesn't help that we now have 3 on the commentary team as well, two of which in Booker and Lawler who can't really call the action, one of which (Booker) who can barely speak properly. :lol:
I've not seen Punk's announcement yet - I don't have Sky so I'm just about to 'acquire' Raw from last night before watching it throughout the day. When he mentioned he had an announcement, the only thing I could think of is that he's leaving. If he announced he'd be staying he'd do it through leaving Nexus I think and shedding his past and moving on to greater heights in the WWE on his own. He does need a break mind from what I here. I'll be anticipating his announcement mind.
Is MITB ppv Live on SS3 or SSBO?
I believe it's on Sky Sports in the UK.
...not that I have Sky Sports either! :lol:
Yeah, Sky Sports. Most anticipated PPV in quite some time (honestly, even moreso than WM).
Yeah, Sky Sports. Most anticipated PPV in quite some time (honestly, even moreso than WM).
It was until they spoiled it on Raw.
I wouldn't be surprised if Punk changes his mind on the whole "walking away with the title" thing - he's been pushed as a face for much of the Australia/New Zealand tour, and there's a rumoured Vince/Punk showdown on Raw Monday night.
Seeing him win the title, hand it back to Vince and get a nice send off before returning in a few months would be alright - better than Cena winning outright and Punk just disappearing anyhow. I think WWE know that when Punk returns, he'll have to be a face, at the very least to begin with.
Ok, I'm pretty pumped for this. Like, Mania pumped.
Still 2.5 hours to wait though. Ugh.
Wish I had Sky Sports for this though. Ugh.
I love it when it's on Sky Sports - because the odd events outside of WM/Rumble/SummerSlam that I decide to buy on Box Office aren't even in HD on Virgin Media - at least I can watch this one in HD on my shiny TV.
Oh and Hunts, if you can get to Cardiff by 1am, you're more than welcome to watch it here!
Ok, I'm pretty pumped for this. Like, Mania pumped.
Still 2.5 hours to wait though. Ugh.
I'm with you on that. The main event is gonna be awesome (until the finish probably). Then you got the MITB matches which are always exciting. And then I'm feeling a Christian win.
Can't wait.
I hope that, in the event that I need a dump tonight, I need it during Big Show vs. Mark Henry - then I can put it on pause and forward most of the match.
I hope that, in the event that I need a dump tonight, I need it during Big Show vs. Mark Henry - then I can put it on pause and forward most of the match.
I'm sure there'll be a 5 minute Divas match stuffed on the card somewhere.
I'm genuinely looking forward to Show vs. Henry, mainly because I'm not sure which way it will really go, plus I expect there to be a pretty cool incident in the match if the past month is anything to go by.
Thanks for the offer too Baddar. ;) I'll just have to somehow 'acquire' it tomorrow, probably late afternoon as that's when it's generally available in HD. Not that I know what I'm referring to. :joel:
There's Brie Bella vs. Kelly Kelly...
If WWE let me down with this event, I'll be pissed off.
muscularmatt
17-07-2011, 23:17
It's a decent card without the ladder matches, so they'll have to really pull something out of the bag for this to not be a good show.
Well that owned. One of the best PPV in years.
muscularmatt
18-07-2011, 04:12
Well that owned. One of the best PPV in years.
Indeed.
NEW WWE CHAMPION - CM Punk
Serialz J-Dawg, that was one of the greatest matches I've ever seen. Crowd totally into it the whole time, epic. Obviously the outcome means CM Punk has re-signed.
BarnDoor
18-07-2011, 09:45
I told you Punk had re-signed from the beginning and that it was entirely a work, but unfortunately some cunts are far too gullible.
^ :lmao: What?
do you know what a "worked shoot" is?
BarnDoor
18-07-2011, 11:24
Don't talk to me like a cunt, Joel. You know I know about and have seen more wrestling than you ever will.
(Taken from Wikipedia for ease of reference):
Worked-shoot is the term for any occurrence that is scripted by the creative team to come off as unscripted and therefore appear as though it were a real life happening but is, in fact, still part of the show.
While I hope that sensible people logged on that even Punk's rant was scripted, the plain fact is many fags ('smarks') honestly thought Punk was going to go after this event regardless, that he was fed up with the company. And in that sense they were far too easily led.
That promo wasn't written by WWE at all. There isn't a chance in hell they could come up with that. Was it run through them and given the green light? Definitely. But these was CM Punk's words.
Result of Punk's match:
I wouldn't exactly say that Punk has resigned with them, btw. They did something similar with Jeff Hardy two years ago, where his contract was running out, but he stayed with the company a few months after it had run out, won the World title and just continued what was a great feud with Punk.
All we know is that this storyline will continue, but we don't know whether Punk's status in WWE as of yet.
BarnDoor
18-07-2011, 13:21
So you don't think Laurinaitis coming out was a little odd in that respect? I'm sure the writers could put something together if they actually put their mind to it. I imagine they worked with Punk in order to get the personal aspect right, but specifically made sure certain references were in there, I think we might be giving Punk a little too much credit here. Probably stuff like NJPW and ROH they didn't really give a fuck about.
As for him staying, what I would say is that he seems a decent professional, while Jeff Hardy was a druggy cunt and they probably were happy to see the back of him anyway.
Yeah, I'd agree that they told him certain things they want him to bring up, but I honestly can't buy that they came up with that as their final piece. Watching his previous promos (not in WWE), you can see that Punk had most influence the way it was delivered.
Vince was desperate to keep Jeff. Around that time he was behaving himself, he was very over and his merchandise was selling like mad. I don't think Vince cares for Jeff much, but Jeff was bringing the $$$, which is all Vince cares for when it is all said and done.
But now he must look and laugh. What a waste. Barn, have you seen any of Sting's new Joker character?
BarnDoor
18-07-2011, 13:59
Saw some of it over the weekend mate, the stuff with Hogan - thought it was hilarious to be honest, definitely got me interested. It shouldn't work, but there was some classic stuff in the office showdown, including Hogan snapping and Sting's brilliant reply to Hogan's 'Who do you think you are?'
'I'M THE STINGER, THAT'S WHO I AM!'
Not to mention his wonderful baseball bat shot to Hogan's knee (I've got a soft spot for taking the legs out - love Flair's chop blocks). The Bischoff beating was also great. At times it looks like Jim Carrey in shit make-up trying to act like The Joker, and it really shouldn't work, but for some reason I'm intrigued. In all it's shit but I can't help but find it entertaining.
Great PPV. All it was missing was something more interesting in the mid-card.
Huge shock that Bryan won. I'm a big fan, but I never thought he'd win MITB and have a chance at being a world champion this soon. I would've expected a Benoit-like reign after so many years in the future.
Love that Christian has the title back, but what a way to give it him. (:lmao:) Kind of annoyed he's yet to kick out of an RKO. It's probably to enhance the devastation of the finisher, and you're not going to kick out, but after 4 matches in this feud, it would've been nice to see.
Crowd for the main event was incredible. Moreso than I ever could've imagined. Match itself was good, particularly the sequence of reversals. Best match of the year so far? Quite possibly.
'IWC' night or what.
EDIT: I also completely forgot about the Cena being fired angle.
In other news, Sin Cara's been suspended for 30 days for failing the Wellness policy.
One of the best fucking PPV's i've seen in years. Honestly rates up there with one of the best WWE PPV's I have ever seen, although WrestleMania 17 still betters it. Seen the whole PPV twice now and it was even better the second time through.
SD MITB - Kane/Cara/Bryan/Barrett/Rhodes/Gabriel/Slater/Sheamus - ***3/4
KK/Brie - 1/4*
Henry/Show - *1/2
RAW MITB - Rey/ADR/Kofi/Riley/Truth/Miz/Bourne/Swagger - ***1/4
Orton/Christian - ***1/2
Cena/Punk - ****3/4
Bryan, Christian, and Punk?! Superb show.
I have just this minute finished watching it, and man am I fucking jealous of everyone with Sky Sports. I haven't been able to avoid spoilers, so I've had a few outcomes creep into my online viewing, with TMZ mentioning the new WWE Champ.
Look, firstly, why put everything in spoiler tags in this thread? I don't really understand that. I hate things being spoiled for sure, but this is the PPV thread, just don't enter it unless you've seen the PPV, makes damn sense. Anyway:
Absolutely fuckin' A. I loved every second of Money In The Bank - except the Divas match of course. The crowd was probably even more mental than I could have even imagined. Haribo's right too, I completely forgot about Cena being fired, anyone else forget? :lol:
Oh, I don't want to go on the WWE site either incase Raw results and spoilers are up there, and I'll need to wait until tomorrow night to watch it. But how is Sin Cara, Big Show and Miz doing since they were all completely fucked, for real. Sin Cara looked like he broke his freakin' back when he was just in shock shaking as stiff as a board, that was pretty horrible. Then there was Show who obviously genuinely broke his ankle/foot after Henry decided to dive on it. I thought it looked a bit risky as I just expected Henry to jumped back and stamp on the 'chair', but he just dived on top of him. Then in the background Show screaming "OH FUUUCK!" :lol: Before then obviously shouting at the medic on the way out "what the fuck was that?" to which the medic replied "was he not supposed to do that?" Man oh man, everything happened, but I bet Henry got a right bollocking backstage.
Now there's The Miz, what fucking nuts this guy. I've always loved The Miz, and that's probably why I originally chose him to win the Money In The Bank, out of biasness, because I think he's genuinely awesome. Then I cottoned on that the WWE are pushing Del Rio to get so much heat that it'd be more fitting if he won and then cashed in against Punk - beating Punk in the last minutes, but it didn't quite happen all the way did it! Nearly though! But yeah, seeing Miz hop back out was just amazing, so much respect for the guy and I'm sure he'll have earned even more respect from everyone in the back and will have impressed Vince for sure. Miz is just so natural at what he does now it seems, especially on the mic, every time he's talking, it's just like he's in his comfort zone. I can honestly see him being quite like a Jericho, in that he has the ability to easily work as either a heel or face. He just has 'it'.
Overall, it was without a doubt one of the best WWE PPVs I've seen in a fucking long time. Probably since I stopped watching many years ago.
And Haribo, regarding Sin Cara and the Wellness Policy, what details have come out about that?
And Haribo, regarding Sin Cara and the Wellness Policy, what details have come out about that?
http://www.wwe.com/superstars/smackdown/sin-cara/sin-cara-suspended
Is literally all I've seen. I read somebody say he may not return at all, but I can't see them putting so much effort into signing & building him up only to fire him after 1 suspension.
http://www.wwe.com/superstars/smackdown/sin-cara/sin-cara-suspended
Is literally all I've seen. I read somebody say he may not return at all, but I can't see them putting so much effort into signing & building him up only to fire him after 1 suspension.
I just laughed there, right below the 'Sin Cara Suspended' story it says 'Big Show and Sin Cara Injured'. :lol:
I'd just like to know what he took that got him suspended. For all we know it could just be painkillers, or weed. Not really that bad is it if that's the case.
muscularmatt
19-07-2011, 15:56
...or weed.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Rob_Van_Dam_at_WonderCon_2005. jpg
Say whut...?
Just watching Money In The Bank again. :joel:
I'm damn sure Miz dislocated his right knee, it looked pretty nasty. But the guy has got some bollocks getting it popped back into place backstage and then hopping back out to finish the match.
I didn't even realise Colt Cabana was in the front row too initially. :lol:
I am 100% convinced that Miz's spot was planned from the beginning. It was still very cool, but he wasn't as injured as he was letting on. He sold it like a champ, though.
And while the first 10 minutes of Cena-Punk were slow, I still rank it as my match of the year so far, and it had a lot to do with how the crowd got into the match. Seeing Punk give a thumbs up on more than one occasion to his mum(?) in the front row after certain bumps was nice - as you could see she looked nervous.
Also, from a few days ago. Here's a better quality video of Punk invading Comic Con too:
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I'm pretty sure Miz popped his kneecap out - all you need to do to see it is pause it when his kneepad is down when he's sat down outside the ring. I could see it quite clearly when paused on this laptop screen let alone a 32"+ HDTV.
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The Punk invasion was no doubt funny though. He nailed HHH with the Stephanie line. :lol:
Y'know, I had actually forgotten about when they looked at his knee ringside. I didn't notice that on the night. I guess it was because from the moment he hobbled out, I told myself he'd be back later to win the thing, so when he returned, I assumed the whole thing had been set up.
That's why I was even more surprised when he returned! I love The Miz anyway, I think he's genuinely 'awesome', and he'll be even greater in years to come - he's just such a natural on the mic now, he makes it look effortless. He seems to have big cajones as well after seeing him hop back out 10 minutes later. :lol:
SmackDown tonight though baby!
Cena was bigging Miz up on twitter last week, saying how there's no-one in the business today who works harder than he does. He seems to be doing promotional stuff for WWE on a daily basis.
...rumour has it, he's banging Maryse too, and has been for a while, so life must be good for the reality TV guy. -_-
Ah, nice to hear, I guess I like him even more now.
Forgive me, but who the hell is 'Maryse'?
Forgive me, but who the hell is 'Maryse'?
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Miz is still awful btw.
Miz is brilliant so I'm not having any of that Haribo! Good performer, his mic work is far and away not only better than just a few years ago, but he's actually able to work with the crowd and gain reactions unlike the vast majority in the WWE.
Got to love him.
He's also been given the time and effort put into him, unlike the majority of the roster. Hardly anyone else gets the same amount of promo time. He's been one of Vince's 'elite' since 2009. His improvement is staggering considering his first couple of years or so (just check his debut, it's Shockmaster bad), but he's not worthy of a solid main event place. It's a damn shame we could be going from one of the hottest things in years back to Miz as champion. Oh, and Riley's better.
So you dislike him because he's had a lot of time invested into him and because he's liked by the big wigs backstage? Even you admit he's improved at a staggering rate, and while you might not think he's not worthy of a regular main event place, it's still hardly a reason to say "he's shit" as opposed to you just don't like him because of the effort being put into his character (which he created himself mind of course). What other 'superstars' would be great in the main event scene right now? And is it not better that WWE actually invest time into their stars? Hopefully they continue and even up their development of the superstars and their gimmicks.
I know you're joking with the Riley line anyway - but is it just me or is Riley's ribcage really freaky? It sticks out with points as sharp as daggers. :lol:
Don't listen to Andy. He's still pissed that his boyfriend aint ever going to get over.
What other 'superstars' would be great in the main event scene right now?
Well it's difficult to say without seeing it. Swagger would be fine and believable there, but his main event run came as such a surprise and when he was effectively a jobber, his title reign was awful. Ziggler can do it [after ditching Vickie], Del Rio & McIntyre have a chance if they get over more, R-Truth had a decent flash-in-the-pan run there. And that's just the Raw heels. We could always see Triple H going back to his heel ways.
I know it's all in the past now, but Miz main eventing WrestleMania while Punk was in the lower card was criminal. Before the past month Punk had been undeniably utilised the worst out of the entire roster, earning only 2 PPV wins in nearly 2 years.
You spoke of how natural Miz was on the mic, yet I find him to speak incredibly forced. His almost-orgasmic screaming, and stupid facial expressions need work. He's good, but he's in the John Cena tier, and not the ones several notches above.
I know you're joking with the Riley line anyway
Eh? Riley is better :/
Oh, and shut up Joel.
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Swagger is fine, but all believability goes right out of the window as soon as he opens his mouth, so having him in the main event spot regularly, especially if he's going to be on the mic is quite cringeworthy.
I love Ziggler too, not to mention his uniform is similar to that of Billy Gunn's from back in the day which I loved as well. Ziggler in the main event though might be questionable, but I'd be willing to give him a shot, I imagine with some more time he'd become better on the mic which I find difficult to imagine with Swagger for obvious reasons.
McIntyre in the main event scene? No. Saying "if they can get over more" is just a cop out. Anyone can effectively be in the main event if they are very 'over' and are somewhat adequate in the ring.
The Wrestlemania argument is almost a pointless one too considering half of the Wrestlemania matches were technically main events as well - not to mention it was Cena who dropped the ball in the match against Miz, and the scripting of the match that made it shit, not The Miz.
Oh and Riley. :facepalm: Maybe in a few years time, sure.
God Andy, you love those generic guys. Good wrestlers with no personality.
Good luck with your main event feuds.
I'm of the opinion that the reason so many people like Riley, is because of the way The Miz was during the whole thing with him.
Miz ripped in to Riley, then pushed him around - in the space of 30 seconds, Riley went from being Miz's heel lackey to a big face (by today's standards) on Raw, and that was because people wanted to see him beat the shit out of Miz.
Summerslam Live on SS or BO?
Box Office. There won't be two in a row on Sky Sports, especially the '2nd biggest PPV' of the calendar.
I say get the main events back on C4 and let Miss Kitty get her tats out again...
Box Office. There won't be two in a row on Sky Sports, especially the '2nd biggest PPV' of the calendar.
damn...
muscularmatt
12-08-2011, 13:56
For those who want it to be a surprise...
One of two, or perhaps even both, surprising things will happen at SS. With only four matches announced, there's tons of spare time in the show, which makes me think perhaps both.
1 - ADR will cash in the MITB on whoever wins the Cena/Punk match, or possibly even before it to make it a triple threat.
2 - Cena will be just seconds away from winning the world cup and our old pal Dwayne shows up and ruins it for him. Again.
How are they spoilers Matt? They're just your theories :lol:
I bet the match will be given about the same as Money In The Bank (34mins), maybe even a bit longer. Christian/Orton will hopefully get a long time too.
I don't expect Rock to feature as he's currently filming GI Joe 2. Especially not while Cena is in Brazil in 2014? :/ There's a chance Del Rio will cash in post-match, but not if Triple H plans on screwing over Punk or Cena.
muscularmatt
13-08-2011, 01:17
Because I'm so cleva n shit iinit bruv know what a mean?
muscularmatt
13-08-2011, 01:19
God Andy, you love those generic guys. Good wrestlers with no personality.
It's the body isn't it? Sexy but with no personality so you don't have to commit to it emotionally? Gaybo.
Moyesavelian
13-08-2011, 01:35
Wrestling ? How old are you?
muscularmatt
13-08-2011, 03:13
Older than your mum.
Bryan vs Barrett announced. :)
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