View Full Version : Your team and formation to beat Barza-Madrid lamers online.
ferdinand001
12-02-2010, 14:50
I use Atletico Madrid..
Formation:
-------------------Asenjo(GK)------------------------
----Juanito(CB)------ Perea(CB)---Ujfalusi(CB)----Maxi Rodriguez(DLI)
-----------------Camacho or Assunsao (DMF)------------
Reyes(MDD)------------------------------------Simao(MDI)
------Sinamma Pongolle(SS)----------------Aguero(SS)----
-----------------------Forlan (CF)---------------------
CB=Center backward???
DMF= Deffense midfilder
DLI= Defensa lateral izquierdo-Left Band deffender
MDD= Mediocampista derecho- Right midfilder
MDI= Mediocampista izquierdo-Left Midfilder
SS= Second Striker??
CF= Center forward??
Its really funny beating Barza-Madrid abusers with this team...without using any CPU (AI) assisted tactics enabled...just yourself alone.
What is your antidote???
Peace.
I usually use a 4/4/2 formation and man mark their supermen. Works well, you just need to know when to pressure them and like you said, funnel them to where you want them to go rather than chase them down. If you start chasing you are DEAD! and like you said they are stoppable, but they will get through at times, they are afterall great players but the key is to take them out of their comfort spots and play your game rather than you playing theirs.
i use 442 with england and double man mark ronaldo, messi, kaka,henry, basically whoever is playing up front on the sides, it works really well when I use Barry as a LMF putting him right in front of ashley cole, their guy rarely gets a touch.
I'm using Juve with classic 4-4-2:
---------------------Buffon---------------------
---Caceres---Cannavaro---Chiellini---De Ceglie--- RB,CB,CB,LB
-----------------Diego-----Melo----------------- CMF,CMF
---Camoranesi---------------------Giovinco------ AMF,AMF
---------------------------Amauri--------------- SS
----------------Iaquinta------------------------- CF
My main tactic is to double mark Ronaldo/Messi cause they're not able to play any other guy on the pitch. Then I usually launch some deadly counters, 3:0 until the break, they're calling me cheater, scoring 3 OG's and match is cancelled due to improper conduct.
bunnywhi7e
16-02-2010, 15:17
ferdinand, I tried A.M with that formation and boy do they suck.
Inter, Juve, Milan, Bordeaux, Italy, Germany, Bayern...
Good old soccer, possession, passes, and 1 - 2 passings.
Defense against the superman; to predict his next move, ;)
90% just tackle him, just need to know *when* and always have a second defender to oppose resistance.
VonniJames
09-04-2010, 00:54
its all about how you defend against them, the team is secondary. if their philosophy is pass to their super men and just run it with them, then i would try and push their movement to the wings whilst my second defender closes down his space. by closing down his space with two men, it restricts him to either cross (better cross or him running to the front of the goal!!) or run it inside. this is where you have to predict what he will do, once you do, tackle!! if they get the ball on the wing and then run it inside instantly, i sit back predicting where he will run and meet him at the crossroads. much of my defending is about sitting back most of the time and seeing what he will do and counter it.
i find the best guys will always exploit your defences by putting in through balls (what i usually do) and this is something very difficult to defend against because its actually the AI who make these silly mistakes. to minimise this, have at least 3 CB cause SB always seem to find themselves in attacking mood and once the counter attack begins, you're screwed.
SeanBless
09-04-2010, 16:14
its all about how you defend against them, the team is secondary. if their philosophy is pass to their super men and just run it with them, then i would try and push their movement to the wings whilst my second defender closes down his space. by closing down his space with two men, it restricts him to either cross (better cross or him running to the front of the goal!!) or run it inside. this is where you have to predict what he will do, once you do, tackle!! if they get the ball on the wing and then run it inside instantly, i sit back predicting where he will run and meet him at the crossroads. much of my defending is about sitting back most of the time and seeing what he will do and counter it.
Wow, we think a like.
OP,
You just need to predict and react when you play against Barca/Madrid. The more game you play against them (which is all the time, haha) The better your reflex and reaction will be.
Don't over run also, Good opponent will punish you everytime he gets away. Little mistakes also could kill you, like miss pass while building your attack from the back or counter attack right after corner kick. Most of the time i could predict their attack and steal the ball right back but i've play with 600+ rated opponent, and some of them always instantly gets a goal (it's like they know how to move their man when pressure gets there, crazy)
I've had success with 4-4-2
double tight mark Ronaldo/Messi with my SB+DMF.
I also convert one of the SB into CB instead (so the dude won't go up since he sucks)
and also i've set my tactic to "total defense" once the attack starts, that way the others will come back to their half field to help out.
Real and Barca are both tough to play against but I found that Real is harder out of the two. Ronaldo crazy kick power is too much sometimes, not to mention Kaka and Higuain.
Genoa - 343.
Double Man mark Messi with CB (aggressive) and LWB (loose)
Don't know a team and formation for Real madrid.
Only 4% of my matches I play against similar teams. And not once have I met a better player than me eventhough i lose quite often simple cause of the button lag and fast players that fly by 4 defenders to score an easy goal.
I always play as Nigeria and I think I manage pretty well against Barca, Madrid, Spain, Brazil and England. But boy do I hate a lamer that has to watch his speed goal for 4 replays with his superteam.
I've started using a left midfield player deep and tightly marking Messi/Ronaldo. Its been working ok but if the player is good they will still find a way to ALWAYS score with them!
Also the short free kick tapped to Ronaldo and smashed into my top corner EVERY time is getting a little boring!
Still having good fun playing online though! It beats playing the possession whoreing unproductive computer all the time!
The online Barca and Real MAdrid lamers are ridiculous.
So I play as Nigeria but noone ever picks a team even or inferior to my team. Its always Spain, Argentina, Barca and Real Madrid. So I decided to take Montenegro in two games but two lamers still hold on their Barca and Real Madrid. I thought since i picked such a bad team that the opponent would pick another team.
LOL against Real lamer i equalized in the 85 minute on a beautiful counterattack and long shot by Jormac. It felt so good since i dominated the whole game but was 0-1 down.
Against Barca i came in front after 3 minutes after a high arc free kick close to the keeper where i headed it in. But Barca lamer went in front in the 80 minute after I had button lag and couldnt stop Messi twice as fast as my defenders. Then the guy decided to watch all the replays of the goal and then pass ball around in defence.
I manged to get the ball the 88 minute and scored 3 own goals since the lamer was so arrogant and unfair.
In 80 games i have played against may be 2 decent players the rest were Barca and Madrid runnerlamers. And nobody has impressed me all in this game expect that I find my self way better which has surprised me.
I thought i was decent but compared to others online I will consider myself as good.
I've started using a left midfield player deep and tightly marking Messi/Ronaldo. Its been working ok but if the player is good they will still find a way to ALWAYS score with them!
Also the short free kick tapped to Ronaldo and smashed into my top corner EVERY time is getting a little boring!
Still having good fun playing online though! It beats playing the possession whoreing unproductive computer all the time!
Messi running around like a headless chicken online is boring at least offline you are challenged to play against an opponent who knows how football is played and not how PES 2010 is exploited.
The problem for me is that with Nigeria I have to built up the play in order to attack which leaves me extremely vulnerable to couterattacks from Barca and Argentina lamers. They just sit and wait to play a ball at Messi. In real life Argentina would never play mainly on counterattack against Nigeria. May be i should exploit my 4-3-3 but it ruins the fun and my way of playing.
I reccommend to play as Nigeria. Good defence and pressure. Good speed. Good crosses and headers. The midfielders are too slow in order to manage too many long rangers. Counterattack they are deadly since you have two wing forwards and Martins CF. Ageleni is deadly on headers.
Early crosses often gives a scoring opportunity.
As above said, double mark the opponent's key player and pay attention and don't rush to steal the ball or he will get past you.
Also, build your attack without rushing.
I play with Arsenal and now I'm proud to say I win most of the Real-Barça lamers.
http://i44.tinypic.com/saumn7.jpg
But I still have problems against Brazil, that team has too many fast players (Pato, Robinho, Kaká) and I really suffer against them.
SeanBless
14-04-2010, 17:02
^Brazil
hah, try playing someone who uses their master league team
This was Barca (once i saw the players, i used England to play him)
----------------------Valdez(GK)------------------------
----Clicy(LB)------ Puyol(CB)---Pique(CB)----Alvez(RB)
----------------------Kaka (CMF)------------------
Robinho(LMF)------------------------------------Ronaldo(RMF)
----------Messi(WF)-------------------Pato(SS)----
-----------------------Aguero(CF)---------------------
I was winning 1-0 throughout the match (great saves from my GK) but he got me on the last 10 mins with 2 quick counter attack goals.
^Brazil
hah, try playing someone who uses their master league team
This was Barca (once i saw the players, i used England to play him)
----------------------Valdez(GK)------------------------
----Clicy(LB)------ Puyol(CB)---Pique(CB)----Alvez(RB)
----------------------Kaka (CMF)------------------
Robinho(LMF)------------------------------------Ronaldo(RMF)
----------Messi(WF)-------------------Pato(SS)----
-----------------------Aguero(CF)---------------------
I was winning 1-0 throughout the match (great saves from my GK) but he got me on the last 10 mins with 2 quick counter attack goals.
You should have taken a team like Austria. and a superdefensive 5-4-1 only to counterattack. That way even with a 0-0 draw he would lose ranking points. Some people take online too seriously. What is the point of "runwinning" any noob can do that.
PES needs to be readjusted so that the speed factor is diminished only Messi can dribble in real life but not always.
bunnywhi7e
15-04-2010, 14:39
I'm having fun playing with England and tearing up these motherfckers ass. IMO, England has the best formation to beat these super teams. Perfect defenders, great midfielders and great attackers. I usually take out Walcott and bring in Beckham and viola.
Im having fun online by picking useless teams.
Too funny. I picked Austria against a Juve guy. Score on a high arc free kick on my huge CF. I setup the whole team for defense, counterattack, pressure and defensive mind (blue on attack mindness). I had a couple of chances but boy where my forwards slow couldnt tap sprint button for more than 2 times before there were 2 defenders around me.
I thnking about setting up France as supersupersuperdefensive 5-4-1 and just sit back and suddenly attack like a snake - fast and deadly.
I have been playing a handfull of games as Uzbekistan. To no surprise people still hold on to their Brazil, Barca and Real which i find hilarious. I won, drew and lost one.
In the game I lost Brazil was sitting back for the last 30 minutes while i had all possesion what a noob. On every attack he had he gave me the message: "impressive". The only thing that amazed me was that he still picked Brazil against the mighty Uzbekistan. Haha what an idiot.
In 80 games i have played against may be 2 decent players the rest were Barca and Madrid runnerlamers. And nobody has impressed me all in this game expect that I find my self way better which has surprised me.
I thought i was decent but compared to others online I will consider myself as good.
I think you are too modest Kefir.. You should be the PES2010 All Star for the next century ;)..
I think you are too modest Kefir.. You should be the PES2010 All Star for the next century ;)..
Well picked Thailand and still got a 1-0 against a Barcalamer. That was so good i nearly wet myself.
Go for Thailand and you will see how hard it is to produce anything with that team and especially against Barca where defenders take the ball away from you like it was stealing candy from a 3 years old kid.
Ill be more than happy to give u an online lesson.
Well picked Thailand and still got a 1-0 against a Barcalamer. That was so good i nearly wet myself.
Go for Thailand and you will see how hard it is to produce anything with that team and especially against Barca where defenders take the ball away from you like it was stealing candy from a 3 years old kid.
Ill be more than happy to give u an online lesson.
hahaha, yes but beating barca is easy! lets see if you can keep Ajax from scoring! :happy:
gerzinio
24-04-2010, 11:54
spurs...
-------------------gomez(gk)----------------------------
-----------woodgate(cb)-------king(cb)----------------------
corluka(rb)--------------------------------bale(lb)-------------
-------------------palasios(dm)-----------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------
-----------kranciar(cm)-------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------lennon(lm)-------
gudjohnsen(ss)---------------------------------------------
------------------------------------defoe(ss)---------------
--------------------crouch(cf)------------------------------
good passing team also great for the long ball and deep crosses the headers of crouch and gudjonsen !
valencia :)
always playing with a 4-5-1 and double mark kaka,c.ronaldo / messi
when i play against brazil i didnt found a national team yet. i dont want play with valencia against national teams, against my rules hahhaa ;)
All the above are codswallop............
Pick Aston Villa, Juve, Genoa or even Arsenal. Play a 3-3-1-3. Cb,Cb,Cb,Dm,Rwb,Lwb,Amf, Lwf, Rwf,CF. (See PERU'S formation) Do not man mark anyone and keep the Central defender deep, and when attacking if you are on the corner of the box with one of your wingers hit it hard and force the keeper to save it and the CF will net the rebound.................
zainchelski
25-05-2010, 11:17
i use any team and just change my formation dont change any tactics or use any and have never lost to them its a 451 but goes into a 424 wen att as my midfields join the att always catches puyol out as barca play high def its stuck in comp ai
the best way for me its depending which team Im using. I always use lazio and I use 433 but 2 of the midfielders as DMF. basically I always use
muslera
leichestner biava andre dias kolarov
baronio hiltzpberger DMF
matuzalem cmf
zarate SS cruz CF foggia LWF
also I use fiorentina with 442
the best way defending is very simple, ALWAYS wait for the attacker NEVER throw yourself unlesss you are 100% sure youre going to still the ball and call someone for help.
DesertFox
01-06-2010, 09:43
What about Brazil lamers? I chose Bulgaria today and was playing against Brazil and I went up almost instantly with a beautiful Martin Petrov shot. Then all of a sudden my goalkeeper decided to forget he had hands and 3 shots that went directly to him went in. I managed to score a nice goal on a counter attack then my defenders decided to stop jumping. Every single header was lost, it was 5-2 until I decided to leave. What complete and utter bullshit, I do all the work and every shot or header he takes goes in?
Anyways. I use Inter sometimes when I play against Barca and Real lamers because I can hit them back on the counter with Etoo and Inter has very good and tall defenders. If I use Arsenal I have to make sure Clichy is in good from (green arrow or better) or else Messi will own the side all the time. I found out rather quickly that Eboue, Silvestre, Armand, Kieran or any other defender in Arsenal that is not Clichy can't keep with Messi. I always try to wait for the attacker to make a touch where I can slide in or move in to steal the ball.
I have also found out that Real Madrid lamers are much harder to beat. Kaka with what I would think is a orange or red arrow is unstoppable. He steam rolls through all the time and its always a last second slide that saves the day. Cristiano Ronaldo is also too much most of the time. His heading, shooting, dribble, and passing is for the most part unstoppable if I don't get at least 2 or 3 men on him. Ronaldo, Kaka, and Higuain with at least 2 of them with orange arrows or one with red arrow is probably the hardest attack for me to handle. They all have speed, dribble, passing, heading, and shooting!
I'm right now using 3-5-2 formation with Aston Villa (West Midlands). Works pretty well but sometimes I get serious problems defending and controlling the game (when my rival is very skilled):
----------Friedel---------
Dunne - Cuellar - Bouma
---------Reo Coker
-----Millner -------S. Petrov
Ashley Young ------ -Downing
- Agbonlahor------Carew/Heskey
I would like to share the team style sliders but I have my game in spanish, will try to translate lol:
Pass offering: 70
Zone: 66
Position swap: 62
Attack style: 70
Pressure: 75
Defense line: 35
Line close: 60
Defense type: 0
What do you think? Any suggestion?
Thanks :)
I play as Juve
I stick Del Piero as wide and as high up th elft wing as possible as an SS
Amauris is in the middle also as an SS.
Diego is set as an 'inside right' AMC
Camorenesi as a LM but positioned as a CM
Melo Sissoko DM sat in front of back 4.
Basically everyone passes it to Del Piero as soon as possible. Either with a quick cross field ball, a looped through ball or a grounded through ball.
He will usually be in acres of space due to the RB of Madrid/Barca/Brazil bombing up the wing, he can then cross it into Amauri, one of the most powerful playres on the game, with diego (very technical) ready to lash in any rebouds/defelctions on the volley.
Buffon Cannavaro and Chielinni = super tight at the back and i rarely concede, With the goons who cut inside with CRonaldo/Messi often running into a Cannavaro/Chielinni brick wall if Melo or Sissoko ahvent bossed them already. :)
Chelsea is the way forward...i use them only (Best defence-Best keeper-Best forwards only shacky on sides, As for Barca, Madrid abusers i fear none of them, i beat this guy who had all superstars in Barca 4-0 = as much as they have fast players it doesnt mean they can control the ball well and they are always found in offside.
If a Barca or real , abuser is reading this come face me online ,look for Princefalasky...if you want to proove me wrong many have tried but im juss too skilful.
------------------------------------casillas-----------------
---------------ashly cole-------pique--------puyol--------sejio ramos
----------------------------------- gerard-----------
ronaldo-----------------------------ozil------------------------kaka
messi-----------------------------adebayor-------------------higain
use barca or real madrid against them and keep 70% of the possession =)
lesserlights
08-09-2010, 20:13
I use Manchester City 4-3-3. I have four CB & one WB where they have the most attacking player or two if the have one on both sides.
VonniJames
13-09-2010, 10:09
use milan, sometimes atletico madrid if theyre terrible players. but if i really wanna school them then i pick spain.
dont use much tactics.just default tactics im using with chelsea. only change player with stronger balance. replace bosingwa with ivanovic, carvalho with alex, ballack as dmf, essien replace joe cole as smf/cmf. so far it works!
try me head to head.. find kay_ch
I use Inter Milan against Barcelona or Madrid dudes....I hate those guys that pick up Messi and run all the way and try to make the goal or madrid dudes with Kaka and C.ronaldo....what I do is take off Samuel and put Ivan Cordoba instead if he is in normal or better conditions because Cordoba is really fast with a 94 and 91 of speed and can reach Messi and take off the ball which is really helpful and when Milito is messed up I put pandev and change the Centerfoeward to SS and it helps too even better if it is in better conditions.
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