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The Liverpool Way
15-06-2010, 19:03
New Gameplay trailer for PES2011 From E3 2010! It looks quite nice :)
Of course we'll have to play the game before we can decide if it's good or not. So we'll have to wait untill October-ish for that.
Here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Jvkg0HAsI&playnext_from=TL&videos=UBxdd43z7Oo&feature=sub
I put the "E" in the title for you.
Looks very good from that trailer. Of course, you will need to play the demo before formulating a real first opinion.
Well...looks better than Pes2010, I'll wait for the demo though.
I like it. The animations (though not perfect) are much improved, the pace of the game looks far more considered and overall it just looks much more alive.
Ultimate777
15-06-2010, 21:52
Heres some new screens for you all to feast your eyes on.
http://www.pesfan.com/news/9043728/N...shots-from-E3/
The Liverpool Way
15-06-2010, 21:55
I put the "E" in the title for you.
Looks very good from that trailer. Of course, you will need to play the demo before formulating a real first opinion.
Thanks dude :)
And yeah I agree, it looks nice but is it nice? We'll have to play it to find that out :D
byrnie05
15-06-2010, 21:56
That looks magnificent. I so hope the tricks are back on the right analogue as they're pretty ergonomically flawed on the d-pad and pressing LT/L2 and using the right stick is much more natural for the hand to use manual control.
Ode to Joy for Copa Libertadores? :lol:
Less CGI needed, but it looks better.
Looks much smoother :) Skills look a tad weird tho...
Liking the Copa Libertadores stuff! Real faces for all the players is always nice to see.
Kevthedrummer
16-06-2010, 00:08
promising, but i am skeptical this year. Demo must deliver or I won't be parting with my cash.
SammyGunner11
16-06-2010, 00:20
I've said it over and over again. PES 2010 wasn't a bad a game. Although, the gameplay can still be improved, the game was better than the previous two versions by a mile.
PES 2011 will blow me away as far as I'm concerned. The trailer has convinced me already. I don't need any more convincing from the demos that'll be coming out later.
shankly is god
16-06-2010, 00:49
I've said it over and over again. PES 2010 wasn't a bad a game. Although, the gameplay can still be improved, the game was better than the previous two versions by a mile.
PES 2011 will blow me away as far as I'm concerned. The trailer has convinced me already. I don't need any more convincing from the demos that'll be coming out later.
I agree with you completely pes 2010 was not a bad game at all I still get enjoyment out of it from time to time! with mates or on me own in the master league!! it does have its lacking qualities but its far from a disaster!!!
as for this video, its very very promising, it looks very full if that makes any sense like as if the players are actually on the pitch and their actions are more than just pressing buttons!!! but thats probs just me!!!
the only thing i would say is that while this trailer is to show off scoring and gameplay it does worry me however on the GK front!!!!
WOW! even though its not a big mac i am, loving it...........
that takes improved animations of the list and now i have to wait for info concerning the response time and better AI to make the game much more challenging and tactics to make the teams play as they do in real life.
what's gonna be the surprise i'm wondering cause i read somewhere they mentioned a surprise.
The video was great but as everyone states......i will wait for the demo.
The gameplay shown in the video wasn't convincing to me. I noticed that none of the defenders during game play made a tackle. They were all just ball watching. The passes ran by them easily and the so did the players. Also, the animations during game play looked horrible in my opinion. But the video was amazing.
Again....a bit too early to write them off....but apart from the graphics and amazing videos ...I am still not sold. :no:
Well looks promising. Looks like weight has finally been added. I will wait for the demo to have a better judgement. But looks good so far. Much better than 10. But only from the look of things because you need to play the thing to be able to fully compare. So I'll wait for the demo.:)
I am happy with the fact that Ronaldo made it into the game, and with the Copa Libertadores, etc.
But to be honest, Leo Messi doing a roulette?? when was the last time (if any) that you saw that? after all the Motion Cap on Leo Messi, Leo Messi still doesn't dribbles like he does in real-life -- without roulette or step-overs, just simple and natural dribbling skills, lightning-quick short steps,
No, instead, he is doing roulettes, and flicking the ball into the air, showboating, whilst his feet move in slow-motion -- very unlike Messi,
In my opinion -- all the tricks shown in the video-clip are a bit too much for me,
CR9 -- showboating
Leo Messi -- showboating
Some Italian dude (Danielle De Rossi?) -- showboating
I did not see any detail in terms of player individuality, all the players (including Messi) did the same exact showboating-dribbling-tricks,
Why can't Konami implement non-showboating dribbling tricks into the game?
A good example would be Luis Figo and Zinedine Zidane -- both where very good dribblers of the ball, yet their dribbling tricks where beautiful to watch -- unlike -- the showboating going on with PES 2011,
It confirms one of my concerns with PES 2011 -- Seabass had mentioned something about making "dribbling tricks useful" -- when I saw the type of dribbling tricks implemented into the game, I felt a little disappointment, it is unrealistic -- they copied FIFA's unrealistic dribbling tricks,
The positives?
The game looks very impressive in terms of graphics and lighting, etc, etc.
Ronaldo is in the game, the Copa Libertadores is in the game,
The game appears to be completed, or very near completion; therefore, Konami has more than enough time to fix all the things that have nothing to do with the actual gameplay, like for instance, fixing the Edit Mode.
FutebolArte
16-06-2010, 06:42
"fat" "tranny" naldo... LOL...
doesn't look anything like he does right now... he's a beast of a walrus... hasn't done anything at all this year
the game play look really spectacular... the passing.. meh... trick r ok... as long as its not like fifa where you can go the entire pitch doing the trick...
^^ you might be able to remove messi's skills in this game if it still uses the card system.
im not too concerned about that, im sure messi can perform all those tricks in real life, he just doesnt perform them.
RONALDO!!!
^^ you might be able to remove messi's skills in this game if it still uses the card system.
im not too concerned about that, im sure messi can perform all those tricks in real life, he just doesnt perform them.
RONALDO!!!
Well, my point is very simple -- Leo Messi does not dribbles like Leo Messi -- what else do you want me to say?
He never dribbles like that in a 90 minute game, so you will make him dribble like CR9 in a 10 minute game? that just doesn't makes any sense to me?
It's like, Leo Messi is the cover-boy and yet, the animations and dribbling tricks in the game -- it all seems to revolve around CR9, it looks like Konami had a couple of Mo Cap Sections with CR9,
It clearly shows the direction PES is taking, and I really don't like it, it's more simplistic in my opinion,
I am disappointed with that -- it shows that PES is copying FIFA, it shows a lack of originality from Konami,
The video-clip actually made me think of FIFA 2011 -- I hope EA Sports get the player individuality right, different type of tricks for different type of players, etc; if they get that right -- FIFA 2011 could be a great game.
As for PES 2011,
I really enjoy playing PES 2010 every now and then; I have no doubts that PES 2011 will be the best PES to date -- but -- I just don't like the new direction of the game,
AgentZero
16-06-2010, 06:56
that copa lib feature will get a thrashing between me and my mates
fair points .. its looks much better than PES 10 BUT listen its not complete yet ,
i have high hopes for konami this year , im reall liking the look of this game . Come on PES
sweetmusicman
16-06-2010, 10:32
I agree with you completely pes 2010 was not a bad game at all I still get enjoyment out of it from time to time! with mates or on me own in the master league!! it does have its lacking qualities but its far from a disaster!!!
as for this video, its very very promising, it looks very full if that makes any sense like as if the players are actually on the pitch and their actions are more than just pressing buttons!!! but thats probs just me!!!
the only thing i would say is that while this trailer is to show off scoring and gameplay it does worry me however on the GK front!!!!
Good for you. But for some the guys like me, Pes 2010 is scum and that is game play wise. Pes 2009 is better when it comes to game play. Only if it could have the real currency and other little editions from Pes 2010....
Thats the problem with a lot of folks here, they do not know how to differentiate a game promo video from actual game play.
The current video has both. However, it is easy to determine what is a made up skills video compared to game play. If anyone thinks that all of that video is actual in game footage...maybe you should not be judging games before they are released. :no:
So quit whining about Messi's roulette and real life play. No player on any video game actual sticks directly to their real life counter part. Its a video game ...just have fun and enjoy it.
The Liverpool Way
16-06-2010, 12:07
Looks like everyone loves the new trailer :)
To be honest, the PES2011 Demo will actually decide for me whether I buy the game or not. I've already Pre-ordered the new XBOX360 250GB along with Sonys Playstation Move, plus a new TV, then i'm getting FIFA and the new Call of Duty. I'll be spending quite a bit. Probably over £500 :S Though I might not get that Playstation Move.
So this year I can't really go spending my money on PES2011 if it won't be enjoyable to play...
But hopefully (Theres always hope) PES2011 will be a really good game, and by really good game I mean up to FIFA standards. Otherwise, odios Pro Evo.
shankly is god
16-06-2010, 12:38
Looks like everyone loves the new trailer :)
To be honest, the PES2011 Demo will actually decide for me whether I buy the game or not. I've already Pre-ordered the new XBOX360 250GB along with Sonys Playstation Move, plus a new TV, then i'm getting FIFA and the new Call of Duty. I'll be spending quite a bit. Probably over £500 :S Though I might not get that Playstation Move.
So this year I can't really go spending my money on PES2011 if it won't be enjoyable to play...
But hopefully (Theres always hope) PES2011 will be a really good game, and by really good game I mean up to FIFA standards. Otherwise, odios Pro Evo.
well done mate!!! I tell you once you get the elite 250gb plus a hudge tv you will love it! you seriously cant go back to SD tv's again, i would advise you to get a tv over 42" anything smaller and you wouldnt notice a massive jump in definition!! ive got a 50" panasonic and its class mate well worth the money!!!
Oh and for the guy up there who said Messi doesnt do the roulette!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5qsnqYrv3w
I think the trailer looked great and it was diffrent more smoother and i think and hope the game will be a sucess this year, 4 months before release and konami already have a full blown tralier so they must be really confident.
But we can't really decide untill we play the demo.
The Liverpool Way
16-06-2010, 13:29
well done mate!!! I tell you once you get the elite 250gb plus a hudge tv you will love it! you seriously cant go back to SD tv's again, i would advise you to get a tv over 42" anything smaller and you wouldnt notice a massive jump in definition!! ive got a 50" panasonic and its class mate well worth the money!!!
Oh and for the guy up there who said Messi doesnt do the roulette!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5qsnqYrv3w
I already have HD but it's just 32".
I've got a 42" In my living room and that's where I used to play, but I couldn't play as much as I wanted to because that was the main TV in the house so I hardly got to use it lol :crymore:
So I want a bigger one than 32" for my gaming room, I was thinking a 42" TV because the rooms quite big.
I'm sure FIFA and Pro would look even better on a bigger screen :D Especially PES :)
shankly is god
16-06-2010, 14:10
I already have HD but it's just 32".
I've got a 42" In my living room and that's where I used to play, but I couldn't play as much as I wanted to because that was the main TV in the house so I hardly got to use it lol :crymore:
So I want a bigger one than 32" for my gaming room, I was thinking a 42" TV because the rooms quite big.
I'm sure FIFA and Pro would look even better on a bigger screen :D Especially PES :)
I just wish i could have more time to play it lol but after playing on HD going back to SD tv's in my mates is hell! I love pes on my HD tv the lights and shading are top notch, and as for this pes it looks smoother and much more chunky which i bet will look stunning on my HD tv!!!
any idea when the demo will hit the playstation network??? i know its early days with alot more info going to hit the net but really eager to give it a go :D
Thats the problem with a lot of folks here, they do not know how to differentiate a game promo video from actual game play.
The current video has both. However, it is easy to determine what is a made up skills video compared to game play. If anyone thinks that all of that video is actual in game footage...maybe you should not be judging games before they are released. :no:
So quit whining about Messi's roulette and real life play. No player on any video game actual sticks directly to their real life counter part. Its a video game ...just have fun and enjoy it.
I have bought PES for many years now, I think I have earned the right to speak about PES however I want
The video game is called Pro EVOLUTION Soccer,
I do not want Messi playing like CR9 -- I want realistic player individuality
Unlike you, I do know how to judge games, I do know what happened with PES 2008, PES 2009, and PES 2010 -- and I know what will happen with PES 2011,
What you see is what you get,
Besides the graphical improvement; I do not see what else to be excited about... is the showboating going to make the game better?
It's already a very easy game, so let's include unrealistic tricks to make it better?
Instead of showing Messi just doing what he does -- let's show Messi doing a Roulette? why?
OBVIOUSLY -- Messi can easily do a roulette if he wanted to... However, how many times have you seen him doing that trick?
Considering that PES used to be about "player individuality"-- I do not see any difference at all between Leo Messi and CR9,
What I see is a bunch of players trying to copy CR9, the video-clip makes me feel as though the game is based on CR9's showboating skills,
It's starting to look very similar to FIFA, which appears to be the new way of doing things,
FIFA came up with the sliders -- PES copied the sliders
FIFA has been using the same right-analogue dribbling system since FIFA 2005 -- PES has now copied that same system
FIFA has a passing that doesn't feels as restrictive as PES -- PES is now ''engineered for freedom''
Where is the originality? What happened to PES?
jdlsantos
16-06-2010, 15:16
Amateur I think your beef with the video is the players they used to showcase/highlight the new tricks were the wrong type besides Ronaldo. Messi and de Rossi aren't flip-flap/roulette type players, they are simple yet efficient dribblers. Maybe they could have used Tevez do a roulette instead of Messi or show Robinho doing some of his tricks.
Other than that I thought the video was amazing and besides the ball watching defenders which was probably be done to show off the offense showed some of the new gameplay features. And they did show how the defenders play the man instead of the ball now which is a very welcome addition as are some of those new collision animations.
I have bought PES for many years now, I think I have earned the right to speak about PES however I want
The video game is called Pro EVOLUTION Soccer,
I do not want Messi playing like CR9 -- I want realistic player individuality
Unlike you, I do know how to judge games, I do know what happened with PES 2008, PES 2009, and PES 2010 -- and I know what will happen with PES 2011,
What you see is what you get,
Besides the graphical improvement; I do not see what else to be excited about... is the showboating going to make the game better?
It's already a very easy game, so let's include unrealistic tricks to make it better?
Instead of showing Messi just doing what he does -- let's show Messi doing a Roulette? why?
OBVIOUSLY -- Messi can easily do a roulette if he wanted to... However, how many times have you seen him doing that trick?
Considering that PES used to be about "player individuality"-- I do not see any difference at all between Leo Messi and CR9,
What I see is a bunch of players trying to copy CR9, the video-clip makes me feel as though the game is based on CR9's showboating skills,
It's starting to look very similar to FIFA, which appears to be the new way of doing things,
FIFA came up with the sliders -- PES copied the sliders
FIFA has been using the same right-analogue dribbling system since FIFA 2005 -- PES has now copied that same system
FIFA has a passing that doesn't feels as restrictive as PES -- PES is now ''engineered for freedom''
Where is the originality? What happened to PES?
.......???
Wait FIFA copied pes soo many times , the radar , players names down the bottom. the gameplay aspects aswell , your going back to the PS days to see where the copying began .. theyve copied each other for years .
SCBender
16-06-2010, 15:50
It sucks. It's too damn realistic, too slow, too "FIFA"...
Anyways, the polygon is back, thankfully...
Anyways onto the PES trailer – looked really washed out colour wise (yuk),the goalkeepers seem awful,and the ’skills’ animations looked particulary dodgy. But then it’s fair to say I remain a skeptical ex-PES fan and many seem to be happy with what Konami have offered in the ‘next-gen’ era. Different strokes for different folks.
Personally I’m much more interested by what EA are doing with FIFA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uYz0SuAoxA
Gary Patterson explaining that players will have their own mean and variance for passing and shooting – now that will be fantastic if they do it well – true player individuality.
The Liverpool Way
16-06-2010, 17:12
Who cares about who copied who... That always happens.
Like PS3 and Xbox.. Now theres a new Xbox which is black (Like the PS3) and the new Xbox has touch sensitive buttons (Like the PS3) and it has built in Wi-Fi (Like the PS3).
But PS3 has copied Xbox in many ways too. If people never copied then their products would never improve..
So yeah 'Amateur'... Enough of the whole PES copied FIFA or FIFA copied PES nonsense.
@Shankly is god - I just can't wait for the demo, I don't know when it's out, probably a month before the game is out I think ;)
shankly is god
16-06-2010, 17:17
All this who cappied who is pissing me off!!! its like in a boxing ring stating fifa done this and pes coppied and vise versa! like people trying to persuade who buys what!!!!
the coppy of each other its called "the industry" you see it in many other business factors!
its about what they offer not what they have replicated!!!
I like many other buy both, and enjoy both and while I do prefer one over the other i wouldnt say "they have coppied sliders" so therefore im not gona play it and have lost respect for that franchise!
arguments will happen because they are two football games up against each other but this pettiness is pathetic!!
Just rejoice in the news and see what awaits in the new season of football!!!
.......???
Wait FIFA copied pes soo many times , the radar , players names down the bottom. the gameplay aspects aswell , your going back to the PS days to see where the copying began .. theyve copied each other for years .
FIFA has copied PES -- PES has copied FIFA -- Who cares?
I don't give a shit about companies or corporations, I will not defend Konami nor will I argue with someone who's defending Konami, I don't care about justifications; I'm just saying that PES is copying FIFA, and that the new trailer shows a lot of FIFA based animations,
I just expected something better from Konami, yeah use the right analogue stick for dribbling tricks -- but -- keep it original... Instead, the trailer showed a lot of over-the-top animations that will only increase the arcade feel of the game,
I'm not seeing anything ORIGINAL, what PES5 and PES6 brought to the table, although hugely overrated and outdated today, it was ORIGINAL at the time.
So my point is simple: what happened to PES? where is the originality?
That's all I'm saying, and I have a right to voice my opinion,
PESGaming is to talk about PES -- why do you guys get jumpy whenever someone says something "negative" about PES?
shankly is god
16-06-2010, 17:28
FIFA has copied PES -- PES has copied FIFA -- Who cares?
I don't give a shit about companies or corporations, I will not defend Konami nor will I argue with someone who's defending Konami, I don't care about justifications; I'm just saying that PES is copying FIFA, and that the new trailer shows a lot of FIFA based animations,
I just expected something better from Konami, yeah use the right analogue stick for dribbling tricks -- but -- keep it original... Instead, the trailer showed a lot of over-the-top animations that will only increase the arcade feel of the game,
That's all I'm saying, and I have a right to voice my opinion,
this is a pes forum! so i dont understand your logic! slagging of a game for replication and improvements... just plain silly mate!! you are right to voice your opinions but dont be shocked if your feedback is less then welcome!
this is a pes forum! so i dont understand your logic! slagging of a game for replication and improvements... just plain silly mate!! you are right to voice your opinions but dont be shocked if your feedback is less then welcome!
Whatever dude,
Konami could have produced something more original, instead they have copied FIFA shamelessly; and the animations still look kinda dodgy if you asked me,
I am not here to praise PES -- I come here to give an honest opinion,
I watched the trailer, I was thrilled by the graphics, but I am disappointed with the actual gameplay and animations shown,
For my taste, the animations shown in the trailer are unnecessarily over-the-top, too much like FIFA... I think it could have been a bit more original,
It's only constructive criticism, I think it could have been more original, I stated why I think that -- there's no more to it,
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Pro1: (http://www.pesgaming.com/blog/pes-2010-news/777/detail-and-freedom-pes-2011-update/)
"I’m looking forward to this game. The new animations from the trailer look good. However, they should also introduce new (natural) animations for the player’s hands. When the players are in action, their hands always seem to flex into a position that looks like spiderman when he is spinning a web.
I also like the idea of new tricks for as long as they don’t go the FIFA (Fantasy In Football America) route and distribute certain tricks to certain players who never ever perform them tricks in real life.
Messi, in real life, is arguably the best dribbler in the world, and the ball seems to cling to his feet like magic. However, he is not known as a proper trickster like C. Ronaldo or Ronaldinho.
EA’s FIFA doesn’t care about representing real life football. This is why certain features enter that game just for the fun of it, regardless of whether it makes Messi play like Messi and provides an authentic genuine football experience or not."
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I prefer constructive criticism over mindless praising any day,
You talk about LOGIC, and yet you seem to lack logic yourself,
shankly is god
16-06-2010, 17:56
Whatever dude,
Konami could have produced something more original, instead they have copied FIFA shamelessly; and the animations still look kinda dodgy if you asked me,
I am not here to praise PES -- I come here to give an honest opinion,
I watched the trailer, I was thrilled by the graphics, but I am disappointed with the actual gameplay and animations shown,
For my taste, the animations shown in the trailer are unnecessarily over-the-top, too much like FIFA... I think it could have been a bit more original,
You talk about LOGIC, and yet you seem to lack logic yourself,
your talking about personal taste kid not logic! what you see and what i see must be different, you say pes has replicated fifa shamelessly where as i say its a major improvement (as we are in very early days) and have much room to add more and come up with new ideas!
I really dont get why fifa fans (which you clearly are) are saying we are deluded for following pes aimlessly when fifa has been far worse to its fans!! for the past 3-4 years you have had no trophies celebrations, the same static entrance, bugs and glitches for goal celebrations, player likeness off the topic, very poor manager mode.
you mention replicating sliders like that's a major thing!!! i really couldn't care if the shared exactly the same menu layout if it meant the game play was flowing and realistic which going by the trailer its sure on the way to that!!
you call pes unrealistic and not original??? wait till pes 2011 and fifa 11 come and then we can talk about realism!!!
you must understand if you bad mouth a game on the forum you will come under criticism especially when its no way near to being finished!!!
MysteryMan
16-06-2010, 18:00
Amateur is right , I mean how hard is it to make like 3-4 default dribbling styles lol , the dribblings that players under AI control use , so 1 style would be more like stepovers , CR9 style , 1 would be more like simple effective dribbles , feints eg. Messi , etc..
Ultimate777
16-06-2010, 18:11
You havnt even played the game yet so how the hell do you know how the dribbling styles work out?
your talking about personal taste kid not logic! what you see and what i see must be different, you say pes has replicated fifa shamelessly where as i say its a major improvement (as we are in very early days) and have much room to add more and come up with new ideas!
I really dont get why fifa fans (which you clearly are) are saying we are deluded for following pes aimlessly when fifa has been far worse to its fans!! for the past 3-4 years you have had no trophies celebrations, the same static entrance, bugs and glitches for goal celebrations, player likeness off the topic, very poor manager mode.
you mention replicating sliders like that's a major thing!!! i really couldn't care if the shared exactly the same menu layout if it meant the game play was flowing and realistic which going by the trailer its sure on the way to that!!
you call pes unrealistic and not original??? wait till pes 2011 and fifa 11 come and then we can talk about realism!!!
you must understand if you bad mouth a game on the forum you will come under criticism especially when its no way near to being finished!!!
you said EA has been bad to their fans for 3-4 years .. let me add on to that ! the entire last GEN, and ps one its soo long ! . TBH konami can make lets say 2 more bad games , and they still will have a better seires than FIFA in comparison , look at iss pro , iss pro 2 , pes, pes2, pes 3 , pes 4 , pes 5 , pes 6 , 8-9 years.
we should forget about who copied who i admit, everyone does it and has done it . i remember alot of fifa fans becomming PES fans back in the years.
what matters is that konami have now built a much more bond between its self and its community , which is a step in the right direction alone.
your talking about personal taste kid not logic! what you see and what i see must be different, you say pes has replicated fifa shamelessly where as i say its a major improvement (as we are in very early days) and have much room to add more and come up with new ideas!
I really dont get why fifa fans (which you clearly are) are saying we are deluded for following pes aimlessly when fifa has been far worse to its fans!! for the past 3-4 years you have had no trophies celebrations, the same static entrance, bugs and glitches for goal celebrations, player likeness off the topic, very poor manager mode.
you mention replicating sliders like that's a major thing!!! i really couldn't care if the shared exactly the same menu layout if it meant the game play was flowing and realistic which going by the trailer its sure on the way to that!!
you call pes unrealistic and not original??? wait till pes 2011 and fifa 11 come and then we can talk about realism!!!
you must understand if you bad mouth a game on the forum you will come under criticism especially when its no way near to being finished!!!
I am a PES fan, I have stated that I prefer PES many times, I have never bothered visiting any FIFA sites, etc, etc; the fact that you think I'm a "FIFA fan" is enough for me to get out of your way.
Yeah -- I (clearly) am a FIFA fan -- I am deluded,
Very early days, very early days...
Everyone is entitled to their opinion here. It doesn't matter if it is for PES or against PES, they are entitled to it.
If Amatuer wants to criticise PES11, then he can do so. He's giving his reasons on why he is doing so, so it is all good.
Yes, this is a PES forum, but it doesn't mean that every member must praise the game. This forum allows people to post how they really feel (as long as it is within the lines of the forum rules).
Ultimate777
16-06-2010, 18:43
Everyone is entitled to their opinion here. It doesn't matter if it is for PES or against PES, they are entitled to it.
If Amatuer wants to criticise PES11, then he can do so. He's giving his reasons on why he is doing so, so it is all good.
Yes, this is a PES forum, but it doesn't mean that every member must praise the game. This forum allows people to post how they really feel (as long as it is within the lines of the forum rules).
But how can you criticise and make judgements on the gameplay when you havnt even played it and is not even the final product? I think people here are getting jumped up because making final judgements on how the game plays and how well the skills are implemented as if what you say is fact telling others who disagree that they lack logic when you havent even touched the game yourself, boarders on the deluded. Its far from simply stating your opinion in a reasonable manner, its arrogance believing that everything you say is right and cannot be contended.
I agree some of the animations from the video looked a bit dogdy, konami will need to get balance between certain players who can perform a certain level of skills,moves akin to his ability. While the higher skill players should have a higher repertoire but at the same time a lot of responsiblity should be given to the user regarding the timing and positioning of using such skill as it shouldnt be a case of simply tapping the analogue stick and every player successfully pulling off a russian roulette or overhead flick up. However Im not jumping to the conclusion and saying Konami have defintely f'd this feature up, I'l resever my judgement until I get my hands on it and then it will be valid.
Another thing that concerned me is the goalkeepers in the video as the shots looked to go in very easily, but that could be due to the level of difficulty that it was placed on for the trailer/promo. Again, stating an opinion rather than getting on everyones nerves and saying PES this year has crap goalies when I dont even know yet
Its a lot more promising than the earlier beta video that was released earlier this month which showcased quite a few glitches.
I'm pretty sure Amatuer did not criticise the gameplay. I think he was just annoyed at seeing Messi doing skills that he does not really do in real life.
Maybe he was a bit over the top, as the trailer is just to give a sneak peak of the upcoming game, and he, you, myself and everyone else (bar Konami) have a clue of how it plays. But that doesn't mean that he should be blasted on the basis that he was criticising PES.
byrnie05
16-06-2010, 19:09
Amateur is right , I mean how hard is it to make like 3-4 default dribbling styles
Like the 4 in the current game...?
Ultimate777
16-06-2010, 19:14
I'm pretty sure Amatuer did not criticise the gameplay. I think he was just annoyed at seeing Messi doing skills that he does not really do in real life.
Maybe he was a bit over the top, as the trailer is just to give a sneak peak of the upcoming game, and he, you, myself and everyone else (bar Konami) have a clue of how it plays. But that doesn't mean that he should be blasted on the basis that he was criticising PES.
I watched the trailer, I was thrilled by the graphics, but I am disappointed with the actual gameplay and animations shown,,
Then goes on to rant about everything wrong with PES11 as if he's played it.
My bad. Must have missed that. Still, my point stands, as the first comments he recieved was about him criticising PES on a whole.
I mentioned something about the gameplay "shown" in the trailer -- the trailer does shows a bit of gameplay, it isn't 100% animations and dribbling tricks,
And ignoring the latest trailer, we have seen little bits of gameplay in that other video-clip,
I have said more than once that, in my opinion, PES 2011 will be the best PES to date... and I have no doubts about that,
By watching the few video-clips that we have seen so far, reading the hands-on (early) reviews, you can say whatever you want, but I think I have a good idea of where Konami is taking the game,
"engineered for freedom" -- that's obvious enough, and will make something of a difference,
However, my problems with the game have to do with other things, things that have little to do with animations or passing; and so far, Konami has not mentioned anything about the areas that I care about,
Therefore, I am convinced that PES 2011 will be the best PES to date; but at the same time, I'm not really thrilled about it because the game will remain the same old BS at its core,
So in terms of gameplay, I am not really that excited about the "engineered for freedom" theme, I will probably end up buying the game, but I'm not thrilled,
And in terms of animations and dribbling tricks, I have already expressed how I feel about what was shown in the trailer; I think it could have been better, I expected something better... not the first nor the last time this will happen,
As for the "early days" argument -- really? that still works?
Perhaps I am judging too quickly, who knows, cool thing about it is that we will always get to see who was right and who was wrong about the game,
I stand by what I said earlier,
Taste......is a very personal thing, so debating about it is always pointless.
Ultimate777
16-06-2010, 19:58
Thats fair enough and I agree that some of the tricks can be better. But keep in mind that most of the moves and skills in the trailer were actually shown in the promo not actual live gameplay footage.
As for the early days argument, it still stands at this point because they have roughly 4months to polish things up. Obviously they are not going to be adding anything revolutionary at this point, but that gives them enough time to polish up animations and cut out the glitches bugs before its sent off to quality assurance
Taste......is a very personal thing, so debating about it is always pointless.
I agree,
Taste in music, in politics, in religion, in real life -- is a very personal thing,
On the other hand, taste in a video game? I think it's different with video games; for example, you cannot really say that this religion is better than that other religion without sounding biased.
On the other hand, you could easily say that this game is superior to that other video game, without sounding biased, by simply presenting facts,
With video games,
People have different definitions for the word "fun" -- some people will think a game is fun because they can shut-down their brain, forget about the world, and simply exploit obvious flaws repetitively; on the other hand, other people will say that game is shit because it doesn't challenges them, because it revolves around that old formula of entertainment.
We are all entitled to an opinion -- however -- that does not changes the FACT that a video game is either better or worst.
Although of course, PES is an exception,
The tricky thing when talking about PES is that I cannot really say that PES 2010 is in fact better than PES5 or PES6 -- QUESTIONABLE improvements,
So in this respect, I agree with you,
My point is, basically -- I think it's about time Konami produces a game that is in fact better than PES5 and PES6,
I'm not sure PES 2011 will do that, but hopefully it will be that game, we'll see,
Ultimate777
16-06-2010, 20:13
whens the demo coming?
Probably around early-Sept. Date hasnt officially been set but its usually around that time
Amateur. You say many things correct and I do agree with you mostly but here is a different thing.
Let me explain.
You said that leo messi doesn't show these skills shown in the game. I agree that doing it with him decreases individuality. But Messi can do them in reality but chooses to use simple moves. And in the end konami can't make messi not do these because in reality he can. It's up to the player controlling him to decide what move to use so he has to make the game look real. It's up to the player to player to play with messi like reality.
I would like it if konami show some simple body feints like messi does in future gameplays. :)
So in the end it doesn't decrease individuality. However, WHEN AI CONTROLLED, I EXPECT MESSI TO DO THESE MUCH LESS AND USE MORE FEINTS. That's when individuality will shine. :)
Amateur. You say many things correct and I do agree with you mostly but here is a different thing.
Let me explain.
You said that leo messi doesn't show these skills shown in the game. I agree that doing it with him decreases individuality. But Messi can do them in reality but chooses to use simple moves. And in the end konami can't make messi not do these because in reality he can. It's up to the player controlling him to decide what move to use so he has to make the game look real. It's up to the player to player to play with messi like reality.
I would like it if konami show some simple body feints like messi does in future gameplays. :)
So in the end it doesn't decrease individuality. However, WHEN AI CONTROLLED, I EXPECT MESSI TO DO THESE MUCH LESS AND USE MORE FEINTS. That's when individuality will shine. :)
Yeah, I suppose it's better -- give the option to the user,
However, I am sure I am not alone when I say that most people would have preferred to see Leo Messi dribbling like Messi,
If that had been the case, people would be discussing how great the player individuality looks; which unfortunately, is not the case at the moment,
But I agree with your point, it is better for Konami to appeal to everyone, thus giving the user the option of playing realistically or unrealistically,
Though it must be clear, that it can seriously damage the game's credibility if these unrealistic dribbling tricks can work each and every time, thus making the game predictable and repetitive and even more flawed than it currently is; which is a huge problem with FIFA,
Animations, keepers, even goal nets, all still look terrible.
The Liverpool Way
16-06-2010, 22:16
Let's all stop for a second and calm down lol...
This is a early trailer of PES2011. Surely Konami are still working on the game. I've said it before and i'll say it again - Let's wait for the demo and more trailers and gameplay videos.
But this is a forum so i'm not gonna stop anyone from nattering away :P
Amatuer must live near a nuclear plant or something.
If you don't want Messi to do the roulette...thats your decision dude.
This is not an opinion shared by others.
As far as i see it, you take every thing to the extreme ...."20 min simulation....Messi does not do that in real life ....PES vs Fifa...."
What will he think of next? But he is still entitled to his long winded opinions.
I don't even read his posts. :( just a waste of time really.
Jeronimoe
17-06-2010, 06:29
Still not convincing!
There was no gaplay footage of change of pace and direction. All was shown was direct runs which will alway look great with the graphics that pes has; also what we saw with the feints was cinima footage and not gamplay footage there for we dont know how fluid it looks due play and relivance and if it will work as how it does in fifa. With fifa they actually have exit moves with every feint. However I am hopefull that konami has seen the error of their ways will surprise us for 2011.
So far it looks 65% complete!
Amatuer must live near a nuclear plant or something.
If you don't want Messi to do the roulette...thats your decision dude.
This is not an opinion shared by others.
As far as i see it, you take every thing to the extreme ...."20 min simulation....Messi does not do that in real life ....PES vs Fifa...."
What will he think of next? But he is still entitled to his long winded opinions.
I don't even read his posts. :( just a waste of time really.
Unlike you, I do not waste my time talking about rubbish that has nothing to do with the game,
What a sad fan-boy you are,
I don't take things to the extreme, I am not the one insulting people here, I am not the one defending a money-hungry company,
But of course, you had to get that out of your system didn't you? it's so stupid, grow-up man, really,
Well after 3 years of lies and shit by Konami I'm almost up to a point where I want pes to fail...
but in my honest opinion I must say I'm actually very impressed by the gameplay bits shown in the trailer and it looks miles better than pes 10. I'll have to wait for the demo to judge though, as it means shit if it looks good but feels shit when playing...but so far so good, it looks very promising.
and yes...i blew my load when I saw Ronaldo! woo hoo!
metsuri69
17-06-2010, 08:20
Lets just face the fact, no matter what konami showes out as Pes2011 you guys will diss it.
Thank you, go on.
Yeah, I suppose it's better -- give the option to the user,
However, I am sure I am not alone when I say that most people would have preferred to see Leo Messi dribbling like Messi,
If that had been the case, people would be discussing how great the player individuality looks; which unfortunately, is not the case at the moment,
But I agree with your point, it is better for Konami to appeal to everyone, thus giving the user the option of playing realistically or unrealistically,
Though it must be clear, that it can seriously damage the game's credibility if these unrealistic dribbling tricks can work each and every time, thus making the game predictable and repetitive and even more flawed than it currently is; which is a huge problem with FIFA,
So far, pes' individuality is shown when you play with the player mostly. But when the AI controls the player, the individuality shines even more. And that will be the case this year. Konami only showed the moves with messi because he is signed with konami at the moment. And messi can do them in reality but chooses not to. So as I said, konami can't make messi not do these skills because in reality he can. And as I said also, it's up to who's controlling the play to play realistic. However when AI controlled, messi has to play like messi, otherwise the player individuality wouldn't be good enough. This would satisfy both freedom and individuality. I don't see it as a loss of individuality though because there really isn't another way.
the previews from pesfan from people at e3 are extremely positive.
byrnie05
17-06-2010, 11:02
I don't actually hate PES10 at the moment and am enjoying Master League. The opposition appear to have stepped up their game against me and I don't envisage winning the league this season because of it.
After the boring 2008 and the cheating 2009, it's a breath of fresh air. 2011 for me should be the series back at its peak.
The one thing i would love to know from the press is whether the ball noise has been quietened down! Couldnt stand the constant "thud thud thud" everytime it was kicked, short or long!
So far, pes' individuality is shown when you play with the player mostly. But when the AI controls the player, the individuality shines even more. And that will be the case this year. Konami only showed the moves with messi because he is signed with konami at the moment. And messi can do them in reality but chooses not to. So as I said, konami can't make messi not do these skills because in reality he can. And as I said also, it's up to who's controlling the play to play realistic. However when AI controlled, messi has to play like messi, otherwise the player individuality wouldn't be good enough. This would satisfy both freedom and individuality. I don't see it as a loss of individuality though because there really isn't another way.
Yeah,
But I still don´t see it as you do, it´s like the super-human stamina flaw... you can choose not to exploit it even though it's definitely there, you can choose to play realistically, but whenever you or your opposition wants -- you can easily break the game,
Now, the same thing with dribbling tricks... if you master that aspect of the game, perhaps it will be similar to FIFA, where once you master that aspect of the game -- you can exploit it, with unrealistic effective results, thus adding yet one more flaw to a video game that is already full of flaws,
I guess, we will have to wait and see in order to judge correctly,
Well, my point is very simple -- Leo Messi does not dribbles like Leo Messi -- what else do you want me to say?
He never dribbles like that in a 90 minute game, so you will make him dribble like CR9 in a 10 minute game? that just doesn't makes any sense to me?
It's like, Leo Messi is the cover-boy and yet, the animations and dribbling tricks in the game -- it all seems to revolve around CR9, it looks like Konami had a couple of Mo Cap Sections with CR9,
It clearly shows the direction PES is taking, and I really don't like it, it's more simplistic in my opinion,
I am disappointed with that -- it shows that PES is copying FIFA, it shows a lack of originality from Konami,
The video-clip actually made me think of FIFA 2011 -- I hope EA Sports get the player individuality right, different type of tricks for different type of players, etc; if they get that right -- FIFA 2011 could be a great game.
As for PES 2011,
I really enjoy playing PES 2010 every now and then; I have no doubts that PES 2011 will be the best PES to date -- but -- I just don't like the new direction of the game,
if its his dribbling what's bothering you right now, i think you will be able to change it in the edit mode and find the most appropriate for messi, you can change the players dribbling in pes2010 and i sure it will be possible to do so in 2011.
pes is awesome because there are different kinds of dribbling unlike in fifa where every players dribbles the same.
also players stats also affect the way a player runs with the ball, thus making messi feel like the real messi
Yeah,
But I still don´t see it as you do, it´s like the super-human stamina flaw... you can choose not to exploit it even though it's definitely there, you can choose to play realistically, but whenever you or your opposition wants -- you can easily break the game,
Now, the same thing with dribbling tricks... if you master that aspect of the game, perhaps it will be similar to FIFA, where once you master that aspect of the game -- you can exploit it, with unrealistic effective results, thus adding yet one more flaw to a video game that is already full of flaws,
I guess, we will have to wait and see in order to judge correctly,
Howzit Amateur...
You are as bitter as hell? What happened, you are taking these videogames waaay too seriously. ANY game can be broken if the player wants to play like a monkey, seriously. I understand your flaws, but all your comments are full of pessimism and bitterness. You cannot deny the fact that this trailer is looking far more positive than previous years!
I think they used Messi as a player doing tricks because he is the cover boy, nothing more to it really!
I know when i use Messi, i dont use the stepovers and stuff and i know i wont be using him to do rainbow flicks and such...only going to showboat if im coasting ahead and have Joe Cole and Cristiano Ronaldo :)
You make the game
Howzit Amateur...
You are as bitter as hell? What happened, you are taking these videogames waaay too seriously. ANY game can be broken if the player wants to play like a monkey, seriously. I understand your flaws, but all your comments are full of pessimism and bitterness. You cannot deny the fact that this trailer is looking far more positive than previous years!
Yeah, this is why people complain about the lack of improvements?
I mean, we do have a lot of people complaining about lack of improvements -- the game is called Pro EVOLUTION Soccer -- it's not that I'm bitter, it's just that I want the game to be better and more realistic, instead of unrealistic and arcade-like
I really do not see the "pessimism" that you're talking about, I really don't, I'm just commenting on very obvious, very understandable things,
ANY game can be broken?? I don't think so, a lot of video games cannot be broken,
To be honest, this is starting to feel like WENB -- you say something that is both constructive and valid, and the people read it as something full of "pessimism" and even "bitterness"
I am not a fan-boy of the game, I do not get "bitter" because of a video game, I do not defend Konami, I do not come here to judge people, etc, etc; still, I am realistic about it, and I want the game to improve because it should improve, we pay for improvements,
Ultimate777
17-06-2010, 16:23
Aye, its boring now dont you just shut up with your constant negative theories about PES its boarding on the ridiculous. We had a mod have to come in to defend and be apologetic for you as an excuse yesterday from the bashing you were getting for your inane judgements on PES11 as if you already played the game.That should tell you to take a break. I wouldnt mind if you had something new to contribute to each thread but its the same standard tripe each time whether its you babbling on about, fifa, fanboys,10 minute mode, 20 minute concept,, WENB,eploiting things because everything is flawed, I mean dont you get it outside much? Is that why your so bitter and angry? If you spent as much time as you do sitting on your bum complaining about everything wrong with videogames you could dedicate that time doing a course in computer game engineering and then actually become useful.
Personally I feel konami are going in the right direction as they clearly taken on board the criticism from last year especially the problem with the ping-pong passing and replacing it with manual power bar passing. Aswell as taking out AI assistence when defending and it seems you wont get super human stamina players because of the new meters in place. I had a lot of issues with 2010 but from the news and reviews it looks as if those issues are being worked on and thats a positive and something to look forward to even if the game doesnt turn out to be perfect, it can still be a solid footballing experience.
Yeah,
But I still don´t see it as you do, it´s like the super-human stamina flaw... you can choose not to exploit it even though it's definitely there, you can choose to play realistically, but whenever you or your opposition wants -- you can easily break the game,
Now, the same thing with dribbling tricks... if you master that aspect of the game, perhaps it will be similar to FIFA, where once you master that aspect of the game -- you can exploit it, with unrealistic effective results, thus adding yet one more flaw to a video game that is already full of flaws,
I guess, we will have to wait and see in order to judge correctly,
To be fair, in fifa you cannot dribble all the way even if you master the tricks. So it's not that broken. Yeah, it doesn't have individuality, but it's not completely broken. You just cannot make messi not do these moves. Anyway I agree that we have to play it before we judge it.:) So let's wait.
To be fair, in fifa you cannot dribble all the way even if you master the tricks. So it's not that broken. Yeah, it doesn't have individuality, but it's not completely broken. You just cannot make messi not do these moves. Anyway I agree that we have to play it before we judge it.:) So let's wait.
I still stand by my points until proven otherwise; however, I must take a step back and take a look at a very interesting bit of info:
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Seabass: "FIFA is probably simpler because they have the overall gameplay balance just like we used to have - but the basics of football are one-versus-one, the ball carrier versus the defender," he explains. "So if you really want to go in deep, which we have, I think you'll get a more realistic flavour of this basic football element."
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If Konami can make it a fair battle between -- attacker vs defender -- then PES 2011 could actually copy some aspects of FIFA whilst at the same time coming up with something ORIGINAL,
With both PES 2010 and FIFA10 -- defending is way too minimalistic, there’s no difference at all between marking the space and marking the player; if Konami can add new elements to defensive play, then it could be something great,
We will have to wait and see how the defensive side of the game works, hopefully we'll see a trailer later on, explaining the new defensive system,
shankly is god
17-06-2010, 19:09
^^ ok my bad amateur i didnt read you were a pes fan, but in my defence you were speaking as if you bummed fifa! so that why i stated you were one!! im sorry!
but having said that i agree there will always be debates etc but again being negative about a very early trailer is silly!
I also have a few issues about the trailer as stated before but im hoping that they will rectify them and quietly confident!!
I still stand by my points until proven otherwise; however, I must take a step back and take a look at a very interesting bit of info:
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Seabass: "FIFA is probably simpler because they have the overall gameplay balance just like we used to have - but the basics of football are one-versus-one, the ball carrier versus the defender," he explains. "So if you really want to go in deep, which we have, I think you'll get a more realistic flavour of this basic football element."
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If Konami can make it a fair battle between -- attacker vs defender -- then PES 2011 could actually copy some aspects of FIFA whilst at the same time coming up with something ORIGINAL,
With both PES 2010 and FIFA10 -- defending is way too minimalistic, there’s no difference at all between marking the space and marking the player; if Konami can add new elements to defensive play, then it could be something great,
We will have to wait and see how the defensive side of the game works, hopefully we'll see a trailer later on, explaining the new defensive system,
I have to agree with that. However I was talking about dribbling and moves in fifa. But that is a good point.
I have to agree with that. However I was talking about dribbling and moves in fifa. But that is a good point.
Yeah but that's precisely my point,
For example, in FIFA09 -- once you mastered the right analogue dribbling tricks you could dribble past anyone, giving the game a very arcade feel,
EA Sports somewhat rectified this with FIFA10 -- but -- the problem still is,
Both FIFA09 and FIFA10 are BOOORING and excessively minimalistic in terms of defensive play; and fact of the matter is that whenever you are dribbling -- your opponent will be marking you,
So all the right analogue dribbling tricks that the attacker has -- there must be a defensive equivalent for that, the game must be fun when you have the ball and when you don't have the ball,
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Seabass: "FIFA is probably simpler because they have the overall gameplay balance just like we used to have - but the basics of football are one-versus-one, the ball carrier versus the defender," he explains. "So if you really want to go in deep, which we have, I think you'll get a more realistic flavour of this basic football element."
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Judging by the sound of it, it looks like that's what Konami is going for: "the ball carrier versus the defender"
Dribbling and Defending go hand-in-hand, it would make no sense to improve dribbling tricks without improving the defensive side of the game,
And when I saw that trailer, well, the dribbling tricks are a bit too over-the-top for my taste; it is very similar to FIFA... but unlike FIFA, it seems as though Konami wants to go down a more realistic route,
The key flaw in all PES games to date, is the fact that there is no difference between marking the space and marking the player: this is why scoring goals is so easy... by finally rectifying this long-standing flaw, Konami would effectively re-invent themselves; if done correctly and realistically,
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Defence, Seabass notes, "has changed massively". Using the dash button to close down and press the player with the ball has been replaced by a three-pronged system using the X button (it's all PS3 in Japan) and directional input.
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As far as I'm concerned, the new defensive system will determine how good PES 2011 will be; hopefully we'll see a trailer detailing the differences between the old defensive system and the new defensive system that we currently know nothing about,
I hope Konami achieves what they want, as it sounds like something different and yet loyal to the original PES Concept,
FutebolArte
18-06-2010, 01:39
ya defending since pes6 has been ass...
I was really good at defending... even if I scored one or two... I can always count on not getting scored on
Yeah but that's precisely my point,
For example, in FIFA09 -- once you mastered the right analogue dribbling tricks you could dribble past anyone, giving the game a very arcade feel,
EA Sports somewhat rectified this with FIFA10 -- but -- the problem still is,
Both FIFA09 and FIFA10 are BOOORING and excessively minimalistic in terms of defensive play; and fact of the matter is that whenever you are dribbling -- your opponent will be marking you,
So all the right analogue dribbling tricks that the attacker has -- there must be a defensive equivalent for that, the game must be fun when you have the ball and when you don't have the ball,
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Seabass: "FIFA is probably simpler because they have the overall gameplay balance just like we used to have - but the basics of football are one-versus-one, the ball carrier versus the defender," he explains. "So if you really want to go in deep, which we have, I think you'll get a more realistic flavour of this basic football element."
-------------------------------------------------
Judging by the sound of it, it looks like that's what Konami is going for: "the ball carrier versus the defender"
Dribbling and Defending go hand-in-hand, it would make no sense to improve dribbling tricks without improving the defensive side of the game,
And when I saw that trailer, well, the dribbling tricks are a bit too over-the-top for my taste; it is very similar to FIFA... but unlike FIFA, it seems as though Konami wants to go down a more realistic route,
The key flaw in all PES games to date, is the fact that there is no difference between marking the space and marking the player: this is why scoring goals is so easy... by finally rectifying this long-standing flaw, Konami would effectively re-invent themselves; if done correctly and realistically,
-------------------------------------------------
Defence, Seabass notes, "has changed massively". Using the dash button to close down and press the player with the ball has been replaced by a three-pronged system using the X button (it's all PS3 in Japan) and directional input.
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As far as I'm concerned, the new defensive system will determine how good PES 2011 will be; hopefully we'll see a trailer detailing the differences between the old defensive system and the new defensive system that we currently know nothing about,
I hope Konami achieves what they want, as it sounds like something different and yet loyal to the original PES Concept,
That is true. The defensive play in fifa, although it appears superior to Pes (which it is because in pes 10 and 9 the defending is not good enough and any unskilled player can get past you with ease) is overrated in fifa. The defensive play in fifa is way too easy. But as you said, there should be an anticipating move to anticipate the attacker whenever he's trying a different move or dribble. THAT WOULD MAKE THE DEFENSIVE PLAY MORE CHALLENGING BUT KEEP IT REALISTIC AT THE SAME TIME. Even though in fifa if you press L2 or R2 you defender sort of stops to block the shot. I liked that. But there should be more defensive moves like that.
Yeah, this is why people complain about the lack of improvements?
I mean, we do have a lot of people complaining about lack of improvements -- the game is called Pro EVOLUTION Soccer -- it's not that I'm bitter, it's just that I want the game to be better and more realistic, instead of unrealistic and arcade-like
I really do not see the "pessimism" that you're talking about, I really don't, I'm just commenting on very obvious, very understandable things,
ANY game can be broken?? I don't think so, a lot of video games cannot be broken,
To be honest, this is starting to feel like WENB -- you say something that is both constructive and valid, and the people read it as something full of "pessimism" and even "bitterness"
I am not a fan-boy of the game, I do not get "bitter" because of a video game, I do not defend Konami, I do not come here to judge people, etc, etc; still, I am realistic about it, and I want the game to improve because it should improve, we pay for improvements,
Agreed, like you I would like football games to be as realistic as possible.
Please don't think I'm a fanboy, because I'm so fed up and pissed off with Seabass I want PES to fail...but even I must admit that the trailer looks a lot better than PES 08/09/10
Like you I also miss the intelligent exchanging of opinions that used to happen on this site...for instance our discusseion of Ronaldo and Riquelme back in the days. These days it's as if all the veteran players dissapeared and it's only 13 year olds dishing anything and everyone.
That is true. The defensive play in fifa, although it appears superior to Pes (which it is because in pes 10 and 9 the defending is not good enough and any unskilled player can get past you with ease) is overrated in fifa. The defensive play in fifa is way too easy. But as you said, there should be an anticipating move to anticipate the attacker whenever he's trying a different move or dribble. THAT WOULD MAKE THE DEFENSIVE PLAY MORE CHALLENGING BUT KEEP IT REALISTIC AT THE SAME TIME. Even though in fifa if you press L2 or R2 you defender sort of stops to block the shot. I liked that. But there should be more defensive moves like that.
What I mean is, for example, when we defend we don't need to worry about passing or shooting the ball, about dribbling trick combinations, etc, etc; therefore, we have all the space in the world to have a very realistic, very in-depth system for man-marking,
http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=78310
In that link you will find an in-depth explanation of what I mean, when I talk about marking the space and marking the player... The "one-versus-one" aspect of the game can also affect the tactical game in a very positive way,
Dundon's
19-06-2010, 19:24
Again the "floating around" issue seems to be still present.
Joey Tribbiani
20-06-2010, 12:48
The addition of the Copa Libatadores and it's teams is long over due, so that's a big positive . Hopefully there will be a noticable difference in the style of play between the South American teams and their European counterparts.
The skills all looked a bit too dramatic, too stylised for my liking, and as mention before, why choose De Rossi to showboat? Obviously he could perform those skills in real life, but how often does he? Shows a bit of a lack of an understanding of football, in my opinion.
Other than that, the visuals look excellent, but i'd have liked to have seen a bit more evidence of player individuality in the way the players moved and passed the ball, but there's still time for that to be implemented i'd imagine.
Ball physics seemed better too, and the game speed seemed more akin to FIFA, which is no bad thing, as PES 2010 and 2009 were way too fast.
This new defensive system is also intriguing...
Love the new triack in the game that Ronaldo did. Last time I've seen that was in ISS 64 :)
The Liverpool Way
23-06-2010, 22:10
I love the fact that the gameplay trailer has over 126,000 views and it's just one of the first trailers... The PES community and intrest in PES is still stong! :D
I love the fact that the gameplay trailer has over 126,000 views and it's just one of the first trailers... The PES community and intrest in PES is still stong! :D
still some try to deny this,funny huh?:rolleyes:
well Pes 2010 Is Much Better and great then old pes but now look foward for the About the game
well Pes 2010 Is Much Better and great then old pes but now look foward for the About the game
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Well, it's nice the PES 2011 trailer is using in game footage, unlike FIFA. We have a better idea of how the game will play.
shankly is god
01-07-2010, 15:30
Well, it's nice the PES 2011 trailer is using in game footage, unlike FIFA. We have a better idea of how the game will play.
fifa is gona be tragic mate! all this hype about persoanilty+ is shite! just gona make drogba all that more powerfull! etc etc!!!
fifa is gona be tragic mate! all this hype about persoanilty+ is shite! just gona make drogba all that more powerfull! etc etc!!!
shankly:shocking:, i don't know you like this mate:no:.
u usually say we atleast have to wait for a demo before we start jumping to conclusions so even if we are used to the way this company works we have to give them the benefit of the doubt don't we.
innocent untill proven guilty right;).
i know ill get slated for this but i bought both fifa and pes this year.. ill always be a pes fan but fifa just edged it this year for me,but ive seen pes 2011 trailer and it looks very good.im going back to pes next year and credit must go to seabass. he has pulled it out of the bag again
shankly is god
03-07-2010, 20:29
shankly:shocking:, i don't know you like this mate:no:.
u usually say we atleast have to wait for a demo before we start jumping to conclusions so even if we are used to the way this company works we have to give them the benefit of the doubt don't we.
innocent untill proven guilty right;).
sorry mate! maybe i was too harsh there! im not usually one to start a slanging match but just makes me laugh all this player+ that EA are going on about!
fifa 10 for me was a massive disappointment with very unrealistic stats/characteristics and with this new feature they are boasting sounds to me its gona get even worse! but I will admit the proof is in the playing! so we will see!
i'm sorry,but i'm not impressed like the way i was with the good old
pes(pes3 and 4)
mr_hhung
14-07-2010, 12:26
It looks so good with imba passes =)) ! And i hope the game play will work well especially with referees =)) ...
wouldrichest
15-07-2010, 11:21
Well...looks better than Pes2010, I'll wait for the demo though.
I like it. The animations (though not perfect) are much improved, the pace of the game looks far more considered and overall it just looks much more alive.
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St.Zwailla
18-07-2010, 17:44
Gameplay looks slow... when i say slow i mean more realistic :) Cant wait for release date :D
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