View Full Version : Authenticity in PES 3
NickSCFC
08-06-2003, 15:00
After the release of PES2 in the UK, the developers were questioned where they would be taking the PES series in the future apart from mentioning more complex one on one play they also talked about getting licences for genuine club names and strips, does anyone know whether anything has been done about this?
from what i've seen and heard about the game (WE7) it seems that there are no new club licences. i'm not sure about the player name licence though.
rebusrahman
09-06-2003, 12:30
Well, that's a load of bollox! Maybe, PES3 will be different?
Nifty1Pound50
09-06-2003, 13:03
The FIFPro club license still lies with FIFA, and "Club Football" must have one as well.
Until the current deal runs out, nothing can be done.
As for the names license, I presume it'll be the same as it was, although I wish they'd get a license for the Asian names, because the South Koreans are a bugger to edit, and even when they're edited, they still look wrong.
There's always the dilemma of giving Ahn his full 3-piece name, or just calling him "Ahn." Then there's the 5 Kims in the squad.
Zygalski
09-06-2003, 13:31
It is almost impossible for them to implement the kits and logos due to the high costs involved.
Since they know the patchers can sort it out for us, it would seem even less likely.
Do you think Konami were truly surprised by receiving the patched version? Shouldn't they have been online checking out what's being discussed about their games and find out for themselves about the patches?
Maybe they don't want to promote it too much and that's why they never mentioned anything about it previously.
Nifty, what I don't get is if only FIFA have the rights, how can TIF and the other footie games have them too? Maybe it's just that Nokami are cheap.
rebusrahman
09-06-2003, 14:00
Nifty, if FIFA and Club Footie both have the FIFPro licence then why can't PES3 have it too? Surely the costs would be offset by increased sales? They did outsell FIFA recently.
Zygalski
09-06-2003, 14:07
PES and PES2 did have FIFpro but that was mostly for Europeans and a few other nations.
There has to be some more licences to buy to get all the players from all leagues.
That and the Oranges who are just being bitchy and don't want any of their players to be represented. It's their loss! They can see Henry and Rivaldo and whoever doing great in videos of the game.
Funny story:
Was playing in a world cup tournament yesterday.
A few players didn't turn up and the organisers decided to make up the teams to 24 and replaced them with the CPU playing as
those teams.
Holland made it to the semi final, controlled by CPU!
If they went on to win it, there was a plan to post the trophy to the Dutch embassy in honour of their victory.
But Holland lost the semi on penalties (as usual).
Nifty1Pound50
09-06-2003, 15:01
Originally posted by rebusrahman
Nifty, if FIFA and Club Footie both have the FIFPro licence then why can't PES3 have it too? Surely the costs would be offset by increased sales? They did outsell FIFA recently.
Konami are cheap, basically. Plus, it's a risk to take. What would happen if they didn't sell particularly well for whatever reason, after splashing out on all the extra licenses? They'd be a bit buggered, and they simply can't afford to take that risk.
Don't quote me on the whole FIFPro license business, I'm not sure, but I know that FIFA and Club Footy have some sort of correct players/kits/logos licensing, as it's in the game. I simply presumed it was the same license. Shared rights, perhaps?
After all, Codemasters are a bigger company than Konami, and because of the direct links to the football world (Club Football for each club) they've got an easy way in. I mean, Arsenal aren't going to endorse a game in which you've got Dennis Gerbkamp and Thierry Nehry up-front, are they?
Back in 1996, FIFA put all of their licenses up for bid. This included all player name licenses, club licenses, as well as all of the other sponsorship licenses. Of course EA with their goldmine that they had, payed hundreds of thousands of dollars to procure these licenses. There was no other company at the time that had the money to pay for them. It's a ten year license, so the FIFA name will go back up for bid in 2006. Before then, other companies can only buy parts of the full FIFPro (player name) license. Unfortunately for some reason, FIFA doesn't feel like capitalizing on their success like all of the American leagues here do (NFL, NBA, NHL, etc.) by offering multiple licenses to different game developers. Also, just with the massive amount of money that EA has, I don't ever see them as being unable to pay for all of these licenses, probably meaning that the FIFA games will see full licenses past 2006.
rebusrahman
09-06-2003, 15:11
Hurray for FIFA! In that case if you could somehow use the SOCOM headset to record names couldn't you replace all the stoopid names with the correct pronounciation (like Roberto Larcos). Or how about a set database of audio that you can tag together. Like Roberto + Carlos = Roberto Carlos?
Zygalski
09-06-2003, 15:31
It might sound a little Stephen Hawking!
But yeah, there should be plenty of 'other' names which can be used for players and teams.
A few first names would be useful for many nationalities.
And for Clubs, things like
United, Rovers, City, The Reds, The Blues etc.
Woody1690
09-06-2003, 16:38
IMO it's pretty disappointing that the FIFA games have the license when Pro Evo is far better and more than deserve the license.
The dutch are being a bit weird about it all as well!!
welcome to the corporate world where money is power!
Originally posted by rebusrahman
Hurray for FIFA! In that case if you could somehow use the SOCOM headset to record names couldn't you replace all the stoopid names with the correct pronounciation (like Roberto Larcos). Or how about a set database of audio that you can tag together. Like Roberto + Carlos = Roberto Carlos?
That would be excellent he he! Imagine if they expanded it so that you could come up with your own commentary phrases.
Trevor Brooking: "I tell a lie he's missed"
MamboJambo: "Shut up Trevor"
Trevor Brooking: "Chink in their armour"
Mambo Jambo: "What fricking armour!"
To be honest, I would settle for most teams licenced than no teams. Somewhere along the lines of This is football. They have some Premiership, Serie A, and La Liga teams don't they? And classic teams.
While I'm on classic teams, I wish PES3 had an indoor 6-a-side game. That'd be ace. Then they could justify having the classic players, as they could have a tournament along the lines of 'Masters Football' on Sky Sports where football legends (and John Beresford) play. Although in PES it'd be between classic international teams. And maybe a Masters Master league (catchy name huh?) for making your own team.
just a thought.when they name the players for pes2,why dont they add one letter on to the end of the name.therefore making it easier to edit and in no way breaking any licence.
MICHAEL OWENY
ROBERTO CARLOST
RIVALDON
DAVID BECKHAMS
etc etc
How about they have totally stupid names that you can't make out who's who, and then a button which 'randomly' changes names ie. "Iluklika Hoarse" to "Van Nistelrooy".
I wish.
or D.Entist Dream..........ronaldo
Zygalski
10-06-2003, 07:00
They used to change vowels of the non-licenced player names but the rules say something about the game character should not resemble the real player in looks or name so that is why they made the name sound a lot different.
rebusrahman
10-06-2003, 14:34
In looks OR name? Or do you mean in looks and name? You must mean the former otherwise Konami are being very naughty!
Zygalski
10-06-2003, 15:01
It's both.
I meant 'or' as in 'and'.
It is confusing.
I'll go back and edit it to see if it makes more sense.
If you look at Brazil and Holland, all the names are wrong, plus the faces are not the real ones but just a couple away.
So it is AND.
Mumpleaser
10-06-2003, 15:26
Originally posted by Nifty1Pound50
"After all, Codemasters are a bigger company than Konami"
Are you sure? Konami är pretty much the largest games company in the world. EA are big, along with Namco and Squaresoft. Codemasters are only an average sized UK based developer, not even in the same league
rebusrahman
10-06-2003, 15:26
Right. Just that I thought Carlos and Ronaldo look very much like the IRL people. I'm so confused... but I am good. I know I am.
Zygalski
10-06-2003, 15:31
To fix all of the Brazil and Holland players, go to edit face and it is on within three moves either to the left or the right.
You may be shocked to see how much better Ruud and Ronaldo and Carlos will look!
If you need any help, let us know and someone can find or provide a list of the answers.
rebusrahman
10-06-2003, 17:39
I'll try that out tonight...if I can be arsed!
Originally posted by Zygalski
To fix all of the Brazil and Holland players, go to edit face and it is on within three moves either to the left or the right.
You may be shocked to see how much better Ruud and Ronaldo and Carlos will look!
If you need any help, let us know and someone can find or provide a list of the answers.
Thanks for clearing this up! I'd spent a lot of time editing them and couldn't figure out why the hell the programmers would spend that much time getting faces right and then not using them. Sounded crazy! Still doesn't explain why in PES1 they made the animation for Beck's free kick (didn't look quite as good as in PES2) and still didn't assign it to him. Always puzzled me...
Zygalski
10-06-2003, 22:59
You mean the D one I think, which they didn't really assign to anyone. Just an option for creating or editing I suppose.
E is really Beckham.
D just looks more lifelike than A or B which look like a child is kicking it.
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