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Rules now located in separate thread.
Bidding is now open again for ALL positions. This is how its going to work ...
Create a Chatzy page and PM me and PEM the Chatzy page link. Please do not PM bids.
You can only bid on 3 players at a time in any one day. The three bidding rule no longer applies. You bid as follows
VAN DER VAART : Opening Bid £12.5m / Maximum bid £16.7m
If your max bid is beaten you will be contacted via your chatzy page and offered a choice to increase or abandon.
If no one matches or beats your bids within 48 hours (not to the minute or second, most likely early evening) you will be told via Chatzy you have won the player. Please add players to your club pages as and when you win them.
You can post bid information at any time during the day, just remember the 3 bid stipulation.
All communication should be done via Chatzy Only. Myself and PEM will traverse the pages at various stages of the day. Please avoid posting anything but bid information on your chatzy page - that page will be your reference point and complete transfer history. This is in case we make an error or you forget who you have or haven't bid on.
You can still make transfers between yourselfs. Please use the transfer list thread I opened as this thread has become more of a discussion thread now.
I'm extremly interested. If you need help with anything, let me know too. I have nothing to do.
Phatmann
25-06-2011, 22:19
I'm interested and will be able to help if needed.
Could we not do the Official Premier League one?
http://fantasy.premierleague.com/
Could we not do the Official Premier League one?
http://fantasy.premierleague.com/
You're welcome to host that one but I'm loosely using the old TFF as a template as it was on Radio 5 in the early 90s.
I'm extremly interested. If you need help with anything, let me know too. I have nothing to do.
I'm interested and will be able to help if needed.
Duly noted. Welcome to the admin team :)
I only mention it because you can set up a private league for free and it will take care of everything for you?
I only mention it because you can set up a private league for free and it will take care of everything for you?
Indeed, but this way gets everyone involved and creates some fun work for me, PEM & Phats.
I'm getting bored of the official one so I might be up for this.
muscularmatt
26-06-2011, 00:04
I'm in. It's nice to see other neurotic people that like to control everything themselves.
I'm in. It's nice to see other neurotic people that like to control everything themselves.
Yep. Thats me :laugh:
Cesc Fabregas
26-06-2011, 05:41
Alright I'm in. I could help as well if you want.
Count me in too brother of course.
First post updated ... I'll most likely be adding to it regularly as well.
Bammers05
26-06-2011, 12:14
I'll give it a go.
Ali_BWFC
26-06-2011, 12:24
You can all rest easy.... I'm in.
You can all rest easy.... I'm in.
Finally popping your cherry eh Ali?
Dragonfly
26-06-2011, 20:25
I'm in, but I won't be offering any help. :)
IronCity
26-06-2011, 20:43
If you still have room (didn't count posts) I'll jump in.
Turnout is looking good. I'll start the bidding process for players within a week or so.
Bidding for Goalkeepers is now open. Please read first post for a refresher on bidding.
David De Gea has now been bid for. Please submit bids for David De Gea to Phatmann and NOT me.
IronCity
30-06-2011, 22:38
Sminky - do you have a calendar in mind for the opening an closing of bidding per position? I want to be sure I am paying the appropriate attention. For instance, not sure if I have to fill my keeper slots today or I have more days to bid.
I'll keep the Goalie bidding open until Sunday, 72 hours there or there abouts.
1st post updated. 7 Goalkeepers currently being bid on by 8 members.
Please consider when bidding for players that are likely to be bid by multiple members, make the bids high. You have a total of 3 bids, set the bar high early to ensure success whilst remembering to manage your budget.
muscularmatt
01-07-2011, 00:03
I'm being a spaz and not getting it. So I just choose the keeper I want, and then send a PM saying I bid say £4,000,000 for him, and you tell me whether I'm leading or not? And if I fail to get him, then I restart the process for someone else??
I'm being a spaz and not getting it. So I just choose the keeper I want, and then send a PM saying I bid say £4,000,000 for him, and you tell me whether I'm leading or not? And if I fail to get him, then I restart the process for someone else??
If you bid and someone out bids you, you have two further attempts to win the bid.
Bidding works as follows,
1. You have 3 bids max per player
2. You submit them to me by PM
3. At each stage, If your bid is the highest, I PM the other player and advise him he must increase his bid. He can then choose to increase or abandon the bid (I will not disclose the identities of the bidders to one another or the bidding amounts, this is blind bidding based on the system operated in Serie A for joint ownership transfers).
4. The person with the highest bid at the end wins. Naturally.
Bidding for Goalkeepers ends Sunday. Please consider making high bids for Goalkeepers listed as already bid on to avoid a wasted bid.
muscularmatt
01-07-2011, 00:40
You're going to be handling a lot of PMs in this process then! Flex that neurotic muscle!
muscularmatt
01-07-2011, 00:59
Also, what if someone leaves the England League after they've been bought? Do you get a refund of what you paid for them and then buy someone else? Add to that, if a new player transfers into the league at the last minute, do we all scramble to try and sign him?
IronCity
01-07-2011, 03:24
Sminky - you have created a monster. I can't stop researching; I have a lot of catching up to do. All that transfer rumor, injury rumor talk doesn't flow much around these parts.
Ali_BWFC
01-07-2011, 12:12
If I make 3 unsuccessful bids for goalies, what happens then?
If I make 3 unsuccessful bids for goalies, what happens then?
I thought you get 3 bids for each induvidual keeper?
Sminky, I'd suggest lowering the minimum price for a player, as an 18 man squad is a lot, even with a 100m budget.
I'll address all questions tonight - thats said, the common one I can answer now.
I'm going to increase the overall budget to 200m so squads of 18 can be afforded.
Isn't that a little too much? You could get a squad of 18 players with each player costing £11m.
I agree. I'd say 125m, 150m at the most.
The official one has 100m on 15 players so add another 3 players and a budget in tune with that.
count me in but i have questions though..
1. should i pm you my squad
2. does everyone has the chance to have the player with the most points
3. how does the transfer work
that's all for now, i'll give you shout if i have anymore
count me in but i have questions though..
1. should i pm you my squad
2. does everyone has the chance to have the player with the most points
3. how does the transfer work
that's all for now, i'll give you shout if i have anymore
check the first post dude.
1) No do not PM him your squad, PM him your choice of goalkeeper and a the value in which you're first bid is at.
2) I don't quite understand this question..come again please :)
3) Like what I said in no1, Sminky will open a window where you can bid for players in a specific position. For example until the end of sunday, its all bids for goalkeepers. So from now until end of sunday, PM him your bid for a goalkeeper and the value in which you want to bid. If someone else bids for the same keeper, the highest bidder wins. You will be informed if your bid has been beaten and will have a chance to re-bid to try and beat the leading bid. You have a maximum of 3 bids per player.
Post 1 updated.
Right to your questions, first off though, cheers PEM, rep for you sir. You explained the rules better than I did :)
Also, what if someone leaves the England League after they've been bought? Do you get a refund of what you paid for them and then buy someone else? Add to that, if a new player transfers into the league at the last minute, do we all scramble to try and sign him?
1. If a player leaves before the summer transfer window closes then yes, a refund is applied and you can bid for another player.
2. Yes, its a free for all. Say Sneijder unexpectedly signed for Norwich City on the last day of the transfer window, you have 24 hours from the real window closing to get your last minute transfers in.
I thought you get 3 bids for each induvidual keeper?
Sminky, I'd suggest lowering the minimum price for a player, as an 18 man squad is a lot, even with a 100m budget.
You do, 3 bids per player.
If I make 3 unsuccessful bids for goalies, what happens then?
You bid on another. You should bid on at least two goalkeepers as one is your back up in terms of picking him for preferable fixtures or injury to your No. 1 keeper.
Seeing as the budget has changed to 125m, are we gonna restart the keeper bidding or just continue?
We ought to continue, formally, only initial bids have been registered against Goalkeepers on the list. If someone entered into a bid and abandoned it because of the budget, that slate has been wiped and they can re-bid with all 3 bids available.
A separate, but closed for any other posting, thread to log bidding has been opened and the rules from post 1 have been moved to its own closed thread.
check the first post dude.
1) No do not PM him your squad, PM him your choice of goalkeeper and a the value in which you're first bid is at.
2) I don't quite understand this question..come again please :)
3) Like what I said in no1, Sminky will open a window where you can bid for players in a specific position. For example until the end of sunday, its all bids for goalkeepers. So from now until end of sunday, PM him your bid for a goalkeeper and the value in which you want to bid. If someone else bids for the same keeper, the highest bidder wins. You will be informed if your bid has been beaten and will have a chance to re-bid to try and beat the leading bid. You have a maximum of 3 bids per player.
ah cheers fella.
2. i meant are we allowed to have the same players in our squad for example you have hart, i have hart.
ah cheers fella.
2. i meant are we allowed to have the same players in our squad for example you have hart, i have hart.
No, If you have the highest bid for Hart, he becomes your player and no else can have him unless they buy him off you.
Ali_BWFC
01-07-2011, 21:41
Ok, say I've bought all my 18 players, and then someone is signed by a PL club in the last day of the window (from another league). I want to sign this player and get rid of one of my current players..... can I do this?
Ok, say I've bought all my 18 players, and then someone is signed by a PL club in the last day of the window (from another league). I want to sign this player and get rid of one of my current players..... can I do this?
Yes, you can release players at the forfeit of a £1m.
No, If you have the highest bid for Hart, he becomes your player and no else can have him unless they buy him off you.
cheers fella.
Sminky, can we offer deals to other players. Like a straight up trade or maybe even cash + player?
Don't see why not mate. Nice suggestion, I'll get it added to the rules.
Dragonfly
01-07-2011, 22:09
Can we have players on loan? Could be a nice way to make a little cash. Short period, obviously.
Brilliant idea DF. Like 1 week short loan all the way up to 4 week loan. There would need to be a max squad limit though.
Its an interesting suggestion, I'd need to wait to see how the game progresses up until December to see if its worth while to add.
Dragonfly
01-07-2011, 22:25
Brilliant idea DF. Like 1 week short loan all the way up to 4 week loan. There would need to be a max squad limit though.
I don't think's it's necessary to have a maximum squad limit, to be honest. I think the money in the bank will dictate that. You can try to have a squad of 125, but it's likely to consist of shit players no one else wants, earning your team near to no points. I think a minimum rule currently in place is good.
Obviously, a team can't loan out a player if it means their squad size falling below the required minimum.
I can't see loaning being a viable option early doors, the admin for this will be a logistical nightmare as it is.
Dragonfly
01-07-2011, 22:30
I'm not expecting people to request loans early in the season, probably November onwards.
Loans don't occur outside of the transfer window in the Prem (other than emergency Goalkeeper loans) so that wouldn't be possible.
Cesc Fabregas
01-07-2011, 22:33
I'd just like to ask how do we know the current bids on players? for example if i want to bid on rooney after someone has done so, how do i know how much they bid?
My opinion is to put the current bid on each player, that would make it so much easier.
You won't, its blind bidding. Please see rules thread :)
http://www.pesgaming.com/showpost.php?p=1775004&postcount=1
Cesc Fabregas
01-07-2011, 22:36
so if someone has a 20m bid on rooney and i want to bid on him, and i bid 15m that's a lost bid, then 19m that's a lost bid and i only have one more bid for him or can i have 3 SUCCESSFUL bids?
Dragonfly
01-07-2011, 22:37
Loans don't occur outside of the transfer window in the Prem (other than emergency Goalkeeper loans) so that wouldn't be possible.
Ah! I forgot about that. I used to think that loans were seperate. Having said that, this is not 'The Premiership', so you could have different rules, like the official Fantasy Premier League, where you can make transfers every week.
so if someone has a 20m bid on rooney and i want to bid on him, and i bid 15m that's a lost bid, then 19m that's a lost bid and i only have one more bid for him or can i have 3 SUCCESSFUL bids?
I considered this, I will offer impartial advice in such instances. I will not mention amounts or who is bidding though.
I honestly think some of these suggestions are getting too similar to the fantasy league we had on this site ages ago. I think we should keep it simple like the premier league sites do.
As sminky said, it will be a bitch to admin and seeing as the season starts next month, we don't have a lot of time.
"Currency to buy players is earned by points accrued. Each point earns £100k."
So say I have 10 points = £1m and I buy a player with that £1m.. Do I lose 10 points off my points score?
"Currency to buy players is earned by points accrued. Each point earns £100k."
So say I have 10 points = £1m and I buy a player with that £1m.. Do I lose 10 points off my points score?
Nope. You keep points. Cash is just a by product so you can trade during the transfer window.
Cesc Fabregas
01-07-2011, 23:20
Isn't that a bit much? after the first couple months some people would have over 200m and such. maybe 25k per point would be better.
Yeah 10 points is nothing really. What about 25 points = 1m?
Isn't that a bit much? after the first couple months some people would have over 200m and such. maybe 25k per point would be better.
But what you're forgetting is that it is the same for everyone at the same time. So player valuation will increase the same amount as team budget will. It will seem values are getting higher, but in real terms, they are relatively the same.
Some of my economics coming out there. :jim:
Cesc Fabregas
01-07-2011, 23:29
I realize that, but shouldn't the money be stable? at least close to the 125m we start with, if 10 points give 25k then we would get enough funds, but not too much.
Indeed, player pricing will only get higher and for some, exponentially so.
By December, the top player may have around 800 points, £80m. Not much really. I finished with 1600+ points last season, £160m over a season isn't that high really.
Also, consider, only your starting XI that you select week to week can score points for you.
Dragonfly
01-07-2011, 23:51
Bidding for Goalkeepers ends Sunday. Please consider making high bids for Goalkeepers listed as already bid on to avoid a wasted bid.
Do we have to bid for/sign at least 2 GKs by Sunday? Say, for example, we were unsuccessful in signing any, because our top 3 choices were snapped up by someone else; could we carry on bidding after Sunday, or would you give us 2 GKs at random, at the mimimum value of £3m each?
Ok, say I've bought all my 18 players, and then someone is signed by a PL club in the last day of the window (from another league). I want to sign this player and get rid of one of my current players..... can I do this?
Yes, you can release players at the forfeit of a £1m.
Releasing a player means you lose £1m, plus the money you paid for him (i.e. no refund), right? You don't have to release players, of course. You can have 3 GKs, for example, the first two you sign by Sunday and the player that joins the Premiership later. Would I be right in thinking that? Can you then put one of your original GKs on the market, rather than releasing him? If so, would you be able to make a profit on this?
What time on Sunday does bidding for keepers end?
Dragonfly
02-07-2011, 00:02
I assume 23:59.
Do we have to bid for/sign at least 2 GKs by Sunday? Say, for example, we were unsuccessful in signing any, because our top 3 choices were snapped up by someone else; could we carry on bidding after Sunday, or would you give us 2 GKs at random, at the mimimum value of £3m each?
Bidding is fairly flexible, but it would be preferable if everyone had at least bid for their goalkeeping choices by Sunday. I won't assign players to teams until at least 24 hours before the season begins.
Releasing a player means you lose £1m, plus the money you paid for him (i.e. no refund), right? You don't have to release players, of course. You can have 3 GKs, for example, the first two you sign by Sunday and the player that joins the Premiership later. Would I be right in thinking that? Can you then put one of your original GKs on the market, rather than releasing him? If so, would you be able to make a profit on this?
Its a thought, but most goalkeepers would have been purchased or being bid on.
Dragonfly
02-07-2011, 00:12
Bidding is fairly flexible, but it would be preferable if everyone had at least bid for their goalkeeping choices by Sunday. I won't assign players to teams until at least 24 hours before the season begins.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Its a thought, but most goalkeepers would have been purchased or being bid on.
GKs was just an example.
Just another thought came to me. If there's to be a second season, would we keep the players we end up with after this season, or would we start from scratch again?
Just another thought came to me. If there's to be a second season, would we keep the players we end up with after this season, or would we start from scratch again?
A good point, I'm not sure. I'd put it to the vote.
What time on Sunday does bidding for keepers end?
For players with active bids, they end 6pm Sunday.
Another question.
When we pick our teams do we have to pick a team each week? Or does it stay the same until we PM you with our new team/changes in our team?
Another question.
When we pick our teams do we have to pick a team each week? Or does it stay the same until we PM you with our new team/changes in our team?
The 2nd part, unless you PM me each week the first line up you pick is your default. So keep an eye on injuries.
Phatmann
02-07-2011, 16:39
Anyone bidding on Cech, please forward them to me as Sminky is now lodging a bid for him.
AgentZero
03-07-2011, 00:17
i would be interested, only thing putting me off is the initial bidding stage...as i will be in a different timezone, i cant actively partake in it without getting insomnia.
i would be interested, only thing putting me off is the initial bidding stage...as i will be in a different timezone, i cant actively partake in it without getting insomnia.
I'm sure we can arrange something. Maybe a max bid in which you give us your max bid for a player and it will be increased 3 times if your bid is beaten? So give us 3 price barriers.
Sort of like an Ebay thing.
i would be interested, only thing putting me off is the initial bidding stage...as i will be in a different timezone, i cant actively partake in it without getting insomnia.
Ask someone to bid for you as proxy. Ask PEM, I'm sure he'd help mate.
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Goalie bidding finishes tomorrow 6pm UK time, keepers will be assigned to their purchasers.
However, You can continue to bid on Goalkeepers beyond 6pm, but only those who have yet to be won or bid for.
Bidding for Defenders begins 6pm tomorrow, running until Tuesday.
Is there a 72hr wait on all bids?
Stopping people from bidding last minute if you get me?
Also are fee's being annouced for the signing of players or are you just going to annouce who goes where?
Ask someone to bid for you as proxy. Ask PEM, I'm sure he'd help mate.
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Goalie bidding finishes tomorrow 6pm UK time, keepers will be assigned to their purchasers.
However, You can continue to bid on Goalkeepers beyond 6pm, but only those who have yet to be won or bid for.
Bidding for Defenders begins 6pm tomorrow, running until Tuesday.
I'd be happy to :)
Is there a 72hr wait on all bids?
Stopping people from bidding last minute if you get me?
Also are fee's being annouced for the signing of players or are you just going to annouce who goes where?
Last bids need to be in at 5pm so I can to and fro between bidders up until 6pm.
Yep, fees will be announced.
Dragonfly
03-07-2011, 01:48
Can we make bids with decimal places?
Can we make bids with decimal places?
Certainly
Phatmann
03-07-2011, 14:18
The two members bidding on De Gea have pulled out so he goes back to his default value and is available to be be bid on by anyone else who is interested.
EDIT: You can now send your bids for De Gea to Sminky.
Additionally, I'm bidding on SZCZESNY so all bids should be sent to Phatmann and not me.
Bidding for Goalkeepers will be winding up at 5pm.
5pm to 6pm will be to sort out last minute deals.
After 6pm players who were success in purchasing more than one Goalkeeper can choose to sell to rivals. If you wish to make an offer on one of another members players PM me and I will mediate.
Nifty1Pound50
03-07-2011, 17:03
Does this apply to even those scenarios when the initial bid was made recently?
From what I understood, a bid was to remain 'open' for 72 hours - therefore, if the first bid was made at 3pm today, does that particular deal get finalised at 5pm?
That would mean bidding just before 5pm gives everyone the biggest advantage as there is less time for members to react and table any sort of rival bid.
Does this apply to even those scenarios when the initial bid was made recently?
From what I understood, a bid was to remain 'open' for 72 hours - therefore, if the first bid was made at 3pm today, does that particular deal get finalised at 5pm?
That would mean bidding just before 5pm gives everyone the biggest advantage as there is less time for members to react and table any sort of rival bid.
Nope - the 72 hour window applies to when a position becomes open to bids.
Current Goalkeeper bidding is about to close ... get your bids in asap
Bidding has closed. No more bids please whilst I work out who's gone where.
http://www.pesgaming.com/showpost.php?p=1775735&postcount=2
Bidding for Defenders has started. If you only have one goalkeeper you can still bid for Goalkeepers or attempt to buy off someone who has already purchased a Keeper - if they are willing to sell.
this is all defenders right? Left back, right back, centre half?
Also, what do players like Phill Neville and Bale count as? :ninja:
Its just defenders as a whole rather than defensive positions. You could play 4-4-2 with four centre backs if you want.
Bale and Neville will be classed as defenders as per the Telegraph.
If you wish to bid for these players, please submit them to PEM or Phatmann.
Martin Olsson
Jonas Olsson
Fabio Da Silva
Phatmann
03-07-2011, 19:03
Ali you knobhead, you were the one who outbid me on Tim Howard. :lol: I am willing to sell either Friedel or Jaaskelainen to someone as I don't really want 3 goalies.
Ali_BWFC
03-07-2011, 19:03
Sminky, is it worth spreading the bidding out a bit? Because at this rate, we'll be done before August. A lot of people will be shelling out millions to release players when some of the later transfers come in.
EDIT: Haha, Phats! I was determined. How much did you bid?
Its up to participants if they bid for all their players early. You can pace yourself.
Phatmann
03-07-2011, 19:07
Sminky, is it worth spreading the bidding out a bit? Because at this rate, we'll be done before August. A lot of people will be shelling out millions to release players when some of the later transfers come in.
EDIT: Haha, Phats! I was determined. How much did you bid?
£12m :angry:
If you want to sign a player from another member, please include me in the PM.
Cheers
Bidding for defenders closes when?
1st phase of Defender bidding closes Tuesday, as with Goalkeepers, you can continue to bid after this point its just a purchase point.
Nifty1Pound50
03-07-2011, 19:20
Nope - the 72 hour window applies to when a position becomes open to bids.
So, to clarify - if I now wish to bid for a goalkeeper who is yet to be bought; how long after my initial bid do other members have to make a rival bid before he is mine?
72 hours? Or does it change now that the initial 72 hours free-for-all is over?
EDIT: Your above post answers my question, I think. First-come, first-served for all unallocated players for £3m each, right?
EDIT #2: I am presuming the player list will be identical to that in The Telegraph game. It's quite tricky to know said list given the game isn't open. As with your Bale example, he might be reclassified by The Telegraph for the upcoming season. What exactly is the case with this?
What's the situation with Mignolet?
So, to clarify - if I now wish to bid for a goalkeeper who is yet to be bought; how long after my initial bid do other members have to make a rival bid before he is mine?
72 hours? Or does it change now that the initial 72 hours free-for-all is over?
Right, as we're past the 1st phase of bidding, once a new bid is placed another member has 72 hours to respond or the blighter is yours.
What's the situation with Mignolet?
Two bidders bid the same and didn't increase their bids.
Two bidders bid the same and didn't increase their bids.
Does that mean he's available again with a default price?
If you wish to bid for these players, please submit them to PEM or Phatmann.
Martin Olsson
Jonas Olsson
Fabio Da Silva
Add
Zabaleta
Branislav Ivanovic
David Luiz
to the list
Cesc Fabregas
03-07-2011, 21:14
how much does everyone have to bid with, is it 125m or 150m?
Nifty1Pound50
03-07-2011, 22:13
Right, as we're past the 1st phase of bidding, once a new bid is placed another member has 72 hours to respond or the blighter is yours.
Excellent. So basically it is a 72 hour rolling thing.
On that subject, I think it would be a good idea to make a seperate thread showing everyone's current budget. Once we start buying our last set of players, people are gonna need to know what they're working with.
I think Hunter is working on a sub-section for this. We'll all have our own pages showing our team name, squad etc
thats brilliant idea :)
Going to go think about my defenders.
When is the deadline for defenders?
thats brilliant idea :)
Going to go think about my defenders.
When is the deadline for defenders?
Tuesday 6pm :)
muscularmatt
04-07-2011, 01:23
Errrm I've been working all weekend so I haven't signed anybody. What do I do?
Cesc Fabregas
04-07-2011, 08:29
for GKs, sign ones who haven't been signed by anyone yet, so sadly for you no petr cechs or de geas. for defenders bidding is on till tuesday 6pm so you can bid normally like all of us.
Errrm I've been working all weekend so I haven't signed anybody. What do I do?
You can also offer current managers for their goalkeepers to try and tempt them to sell. :)
muscularmatt
04-07-2011, 14:33
Also, has the budget gone up? Or did I just imagine it was 100 before?
muscularmatt
04-07-2011, 14:33
Also, has the budget gone up? Or did I just imagine it was 100 before?
muscularmatt
04-07-2011, 14:36
Also, did the budget go up? Or did I just imagine it was 100 to start with?
muscularmatt
04-07-2011, 14:36
Also, did the budget go up? Or did I just imagine it was 100 to start with?
IronCity
04-07-2011, 15:10
Also, did the budget go up? Or did I just imagine it was 100 to start with?
Matt - 125million now so did go up.
The budget was indeed increased to £125m
I'll pick up all the PM bids tonight after work. If you're making a first bid for a player you can send it to PEM & Phatmann, Check first with them that they are not bidding on him already/as well.
Phats/PEM, setup a chatzy for game admin. I'm not going to be online until 7pm earliest today and tomorrow after work so I need you guys to keep things ticking over.
The budget was indeed increased to £125m
I'll pick up all the PM bids tonight after work. If you're making a first bid for a player you can send it to PEM & Phatmann, Check first with them that they are not bidding on him already/as well.
Phats/PEM, setup a chatzy for game admin. I'm not going to be online until 7pm earliest today and tomorrow after work so I need you guys to keep things ticking over.
Chatzy game admin? come again?
IronCity
04-07-2011, 15:29
I think I know the answer but don't want to search tourgh 9 pages to find out.
Are all bids a 3mill minimum. So if I were to bid for a GK right now would I start with 3million?
I think I know the answer but don't want to search tourgh 9 pages to find out.
Are all bids a 3mill minimum. So if I were to bid for a GK right now would I start with 3million?
Min Bid is 3 Million. You don't have to start at 3 million, you can start at whatever you like. Higher starting bids can be used to waste other people's bids for the same player.
Anyone wanting to bid on the following players go to Sminky:
Shawcross
Onuoha
Craddock
Kompany
Bale
Kolarov
Evra
Baines
Coleman
If you wish to bid on any other players for the first time that are not in this thread http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=84988, Please come to me or Phat
thank you.
IronCity
04-07-2011, 16:22
^^thank PEM for the 3 mill clarification. I wanted to be sure we couldn't avoid the initial bid, to gamble missing out on a player, and get them cheaper. But 3mill minimum, despite the timing is the better rule.
RERACK! - I was not happy at all with my keeper bidding process. I was like a deer caught in the headlights. Poor Sminky and Phatman that had to deal with mulitple messages. Those guys are keeping it together quite well.
Hated losing out on De Gea after I saw him go for 17mill, but glad I was coming to my senses before losing 35-40mill on a keeper. Happy we started with keepers to provide some education before other players.
I'm open to all offers for Wayne Hennessey. Matt, I saw you haven't got a keeper, fancy your fellow dingle cunt?
I'm open to all offers for Wayne Hennessey. Matt, I saw you haven't got a keeper, fancy your fellow dingle cunt?
a goalkeeper bound to concede every game :laugh:
a goalkeeper bound to concede every game :laugh:
5 clean sheets last season, not bad.
Dragonfly
04-07-2011, 19:19
He's bound to make many saves, with the amount of shots Wolves will undoubtedly concede.
He's bound to make many saves, with the amount of shots Wolves will undoubtedly concede.
This is based on the telegraph point system not the official Premier League one so I don't think saves get points.
5 clean sheets last season, not bad.
Really? Wow, actually I need another goalkeeper. I'll be in contact ;)
Dragonfly
04-07-2011, 19:37
This is based on the telegraph point system not the official Premier League one so I don't think saves get points.
That's pretty rubbish, then.
Is there any way of adding saves points (1 point for every 3 saves?). Also a penalty save bonus (5 points). The current point scoring looks really plain.
That's pretty rubbish, then.
However we can bring this up for discussion, depends how we calculate points. If its through a spreadsheet then I don't see why this can't be added.
I'll speak with Sminky and see what happens. I'll try and mess around with excel to see how I can fit stuff in.
Dragonfly
04-07-2011, 19:46
Is there any way of adding saves points (1 point for every 3 saves?). Also a penalty save bonus (5 points). The current point scoring looks really plain.
I agree. I prefer the official Prem League points system, or even The Sun's Dream Team.
However we can bring this up for discussion, depends how we calculate points. If its through a spreadsheet then I don't see why this can't be added.
Probably no need to create a spreadsheet, but maybe put to a vote which Fantasy League's point system to use?
I agree. I prefer the official Prem League points system, or even The Sun's Dream Team.
Probably no need to create a spreadsheet, but maybe put to a vote which Fantasy League's point system to use?
my concern is if someone on this forum becomes a master negotiator and buys a team on here within the 125million budget but when it is transferred to the website we use to calculate points, the squad value is too high.
Thats why i think a spreadsheet would be the best bet.
Dragonfly
04-07-2011, 20:02
my concern is if someone on this forum becomes a master negotiator and buys a team on here within the 125million budget but when it is transferred to the website we use to calculate points, the squad value is too high.
Thats why i think a spreadsheet would be the best bet.
I'm not sure I understand you here. When you say "the squad value is too high", do you mean the additional income you receive from earning points, or the points themselves. Everyone will work from the same points system, so if someone's a better negotiater, then they deserve the success that might come their way.
I'm not sure I understand you here. When you say "the squad value is too high", do you mean the additional income you receive from earning points, or the points themselves. Everyone will work from the same points system, so if someone's a better negotiater, then they deserve the success that might come their way.
No, erm, lets say they have their squad on pesgaming. we try and transfer this squad onto the official premier league fantasy football. The squad bought on Pesgaming is valued too high on the official FPL site so its impossible to transfer the team over.
For example a team which is bought on here with £115 million may equate to a squad worth 130 points on the FPL site. thats 30 points over the FPL budget but within the Pesgaming budget.
Dragonfly
04-07-2011, 20:21
No, erm, lets say they have their squad on pesgaming. we try and transfer this squad onto the official premier league fantasy football. The squad bought on Pesgaming is valued too high on the official FPL site so its impossible to transfer the team over.
For example a team which is bought on here with £115 million may equate to a squad worth 130 points on the FPL site. thats 30 points over the FPL budget but within the Pesgaming budget.
Oh, I didn't think you were actually going to transfer a squad on to a fantasy league site. I thought you were going to put all the teams on Excel - possibly a tab per team, with the same points column on each tab (i.e. team) - look through the Fantasy League team of choice and transfer the points earned from each match day on to the spreadsheet.
Oh, I didn't think you were actually going to transfer a squad on to a fantasy league site. I thought you were going to put all the teams on Excel - possibly a tab per team, with the same points column on each tab (i.e. team) - look through the Fantasy League team of choice and transfer the points earned from each match day on to the spreadsheet.
That is the plan. I thought you wanted us to transfer them onto the site. :laugh:
Nifty1Pound50
04-07-2011, 21:09
I am happy to offer my services to devise a spreadsheet to track point-scoring. I have good Excel knowledge.
All I would need is a comprehensive player list, really.
Actually, I would be more-than-happy to do this as it gives me an excuse to mess around in Excel and further my own knowledge, all-the-while knowing I'll get away with looking up football statistics and match reports and stuff because I can just flick back to Excel and call it 'work-related.'
Admins - get in touch with me via PM if I can be of assistance (I don't want to tread on anyone's toes).
I am happy to offer my services to devise a spreadsheet to track point-scoring. I have good Excel knowledge.
All I would need is a comprehensive player list, really.
Actually, I would be more-than-happy to do this as it gives me an excuse to mess around in Excel and further my own knowledge, all-the-while knowing I'll get away with looking up football statistics and match reports and stuff because I can just flick back to Excel and call it 'work-related.'
Admins - get in touch with me via PM if I can be of assistance (I don't want to tread on anyone's toes).
All you'd need is the player lists from the Telegraph buddy when they publish them. If you can do the weekly updates that would be uber helpful.
Nifty1Pound50
04-07-2011, 21:23
That would certainly be doable.
I've not played The Telegraph Fantasy Football game for some years - do you know when they plan to release the player list?
I'll start compiling something in my free time going forward from now to give myself as much of a head-start as possible. I'll put something together that has all the standard things you see in other games - value (price per point scored or something) is a good one to include, as well as form (average points for last 5 weeks maybe).
Are we getting a separate sub-forum for this, as it will all become quite involved and should probably be kept apart from the other games/competitions threads. I might open a new thread to canvas opinion and get feedback on the spreadsheet as I develop it.
As a starting point, can I also please have a full list of participants?
Regarding the disagreement about the scoring system - I have played the original Fantasy League game with the simplest scoring system of all and I can honestly say it is far better than the ones that try to make it too complex. It feels more balanced and also adds greater value to the best midfielders (as there are a lot who simply don't score points).
That would certainly be doable.
I've not played The Telegraph Fantasy Football game for some years - do you know when they plan to release the player list?
I'll start compiling something in my free time going forward from now to give myself as much of a head-start as possible. I'll put something together that has all the standard things you see in other games - value (price per point scored or something) is a good one to include, as well as form (average points for last 5 weeks maybe).
Are we getting a separate sub-forum for this, as it will all become quite involved and should probably be kept apart from the other games/competitions threads. I might open a new thread to canvas opinion and get feedback on the spreadsheet as I develop it.
Regarding the disagreement about the scoring system - I have played the original Fantasy League game with the simplest scoring system of all and I can honestly say it is far better than the ones that try to make it too complex. It feels more balanced and also adds greater value to the best midfielders (as there are a lot who simply don't score points).
Telegraph should start producing lists soon. Don't forget as we are paying custom prices for players you would have to record all the prices we paid for players in place of the Telegraph's valuation.
I think its best to keep the Telegraph's scoring system, its straight forward and it'll help when totting up points each week.
Erm, announcement!
Due to issues with the current Bidding process, the team have made amendments.
ALL BIDS FOR DEFENDERS HAVE NOW BEEN WIPED. Yes, that's right. All bids for defenders have been cleared and the bidding process for defenders will start again (time and date to be announced). This was due to the current system being quite hard to keep track of as there were PM's to multiple users and it was hard to keep the integrity and consistency of bidding.
From now on all bids should come to me and Me only. I will no longer be taking part in the League so I will be completely impartial.
All teams will still keep their Goalkeepers and any transfers between teams will still be carried through.
Sorry for any inconvenience but this way will work out a lot better and easier to manage.
We will let you know when the bidding will open again for defenders shortly.
To repeat, you may stop PM'ing Sminky , Phatt and me as the current bidding process for defenders has been wiped and stopped.
More information to come shortly folks.
Thank you.
Pem, you got my pm?
yep, please send it again when the bidding process re-opens. currently sorting a few things out with the new method.
Probably the best way isn't it, makes everything a lot more simple.
Thanks as well Nifty for offering help, I can obviously speak for everyone when I say thanks, it just allows everyone a bit more freedom as opposed to having Sminky run the thread, organise bidding, etc.
I'll be inserting the sub-forum so we can all create our own team threads too, just so we can list our own squads as they develop as well as our bank balances and of course...custom team names. So get thinking of one!
Probably the best way isn't it, makes everything a lot more simple.
Thanks as well Nifty for offering help, I can obviously speak for everyone when I say thanks, it just allows everyone a bit more freedom as opposed to having Sminky run the thread, organise bidding, etc.
I'll be inserting the sub-forum so we can all create our own team threads too, just so we can list our own squads as they develop as well as our bank balances and of course...custom team names. So get thinking of one!
Saves me creating that new thread i was just going to do. Cheers!
When will it re-open ?
There's been no time or date scheduled just yet, but I think probably just a matter of days at the most, so not too long.
There'll be an announcement by PEM anyway so we'll all know.
There's been no time or date scheduled just yet, but I think probably just a matter of days at the most, so not too long.
There'll be an announcement by PEM anyway so we'll all know.
Cheers fella. :D
I know defenders bids have been scrapped but I'm still bidding on a keeper, does that still count and when's the deadline?
I know defenders bids have been scrapped but I'm still bidding on a keeper, does that still count and when's the deadline?
Who'd you send the PM to? I'm sure the goalkeeper bidding is fine.
Who'd you send the PM to? I'm sure the goalkeeper bidding is fine.
Sminky.
Nifty1Pound50
04-07-2011, 21:55
Probably the best way isn't it, makes everything a lot more simple.
Thanks as well Nifty for offering help, I can obviously speak for everyone when I say thanks, it just allows everyone a bit more freedom as opposed to having Sminky run the thread, organise bidding, etc.
I'll be inserting the sub-forum so we can all create our own team threads too, just so we can list our own squads as they develop as well as our bank balances and of course...custom team names. So get thinking of one!
That's not a problem.
Can I just say - as far as what the spreadsheet I will create will achieve; it should eliminate the requirement for people to create their own team threads in order to track their squads, bank balance, etc. The spreadsheet will do that.
It will keep statistics on player performance, with an A-to-Z index providing the base.
It will also list current starting XIs for all teams in the league; along with who is on the bench. It will be good to have a single document to be able to reference for any disputes. I will work with the admin team to streamline the process for individual participants to make changes to their starting XI - I wonder whether a weekly group e-mail/PM with a template spreadsheet to fill in (drop-down list of your squad) might ensure people remember to do it and stay 'active' more easily.
Now - administrative team; I have some requests, please. Now is a perfect time, given we are having a small break from bidding.
1. Can I please have a full list of confirmed participants? I would use the logbook but there's no guarantee that everyone has bought a player.
2. Can you all please check to ensure the logbook thread is up-to-date with all transfers thus far and that values are correct?
I will incorporate the rules from the relevant thread into one of the spreadsheet tabs, so we have an all-encompassing document which people can use as it develops.
Dragonfly
04-07-2011, 21:58
If me and another manager agree a deal and Sminky was included in the PMs, do I need to wait for the green light from Sminky before I can confirm the transfer in the Logbook?
I'll forward all goalkeeping bids to PEM.
For a full list of participants, check the transfer thread, it shows what people paid for their goalies. All budgets were £125m to start with.
If me and another manager agree a deal and Sminky was included in the PMs, do I need to wait for the green light from Sminky before I can confirm the transfer in the Logbook?
If it was agreed between the two of you, don't wait for me mate :)
Nifty1Pound50
04-07-2011, 22:02
For a full list of participants, check the transfer thread, it shows what people paid for their goalies. All budgets were £125m to start with.
OK, so given that PEM is no longer participating but muscularmatt is, I make that a total of 12 participants with everyone having signed at least one player.
That's not a problem.
Can I just say - as far as what the spreadsheet I will create will achieve; it should eliminate the requirement for people to create their own team threads in order to track their squads, bank balance, etc. The spreadsheet will do that.
It will keep statistics on player performance, with an A-to-Z index providing the base.
It will also list current starting XIs for all teams in the league; along with who is on the bench. It will be good to have a single document to be able to reference for any disputes. I will work with the admin team to streamline the process for individual participants to make changes to their starting XI - I wonder whether a weekly group e-mail/PM with a template spreadsheet to fill in (drop-down list of your squad) might ensure people remember to do it and stay 'active' more easily.
Now - administrative team; I have some requests, please. Now is a perfect time, given we are having a small break from bidding.
1. Can I please have a full list of confirmed participants? I would use the logbook but there's no guarantee that everyone has bought a player.
2. Can you all please check to ensure the logbook thread is up-to-date with all transfers thus far and that values are correct?
I will incorporate the rules from the relevant thread into one of the spreadsheet tabs, so we have an all-encompassing document which people can use as it develops.
The team threads would be primarily for the participants to keep tabs on their own squad, ins and outs as well as their bank balances pre-season as these will be changing on a day-to-day basis. Something like bank balance needs to be constantly kept in check and updated during this period of signing and selling several players everyday so it's just a good way of everyone to keep things in check themselves and right in front of them as obviously not everyone will be writing balances on notepads and in Word etc.
Dragonfly
04-07-2011, 22:13
The team threads would be primarily for the participants to keep tabs on their own squad, ins and outs as well as their bank balances pre-season as these will be changing on a day-to-day basis. Something like bank balance needs to be constantly kept in check and updated during this period of signing and selling several players everyday so it's just a good way of everyone to keep things in check themselves and right in front of them as obviously not everyone will be writing balances on notepads and in Word etc.
Plus it's fun to create your own page, with pictures of your players. You can also be creative and write articles about their performances.
Hunter has setup the sub section for our team threads.
muscularmatt
04-07-2011, 22:27
This is evolving into a truly nerdtacular project. Expect mine when I think of a suitably clever/funny name for it.
Plus it's fun to create your own page, with pictures of your players. You can also be creative and write articles about their performances.
Oh of course. It's quite like the beauty of the Master League in the sense that by creating your own custom team name, emblem, kit etc etc, you feel more of a connection with your team and you can really get into it a lot more. Just a bit of extra fun really, and will keep us happily occupied during the season when not much will be happening from our standpoint except making the odd change to the formation each week. At least we'll be able to sugar coat it in our team threads with a scandalous story. :lol:
I get where Nifty's coming from mind, since once the season's underway the team threads obviously won't be needed, but as I say, they're just a bit of fun for us and will probably even help Nifty in the pre-season and transfer periods as managers will keep their current squad up to date making it easier to see who players are signed up to.
muscularmatt
04-07-2011, 22:31
If you are going to build your own team page, then I insist you design a logo too.
EDIT - Maybe we could get that guy that did the Candidate Welles sig to do them??
If you are going to build your own team page, then I insist you design a logo too.
EDIT - Maybe we could get that guy that did the Candidate Welles sig to do them??
Meh. I'll do it soon.
Can everyone make sure that they keep their squad threads up to date and also keep their Budget figures up to date also. Makes me checking it with my spreadsheet much easier.
Thank you :)
Okay, Bidding can now officially commence once again!
ALL DEFENDERS ARE AVAILABLE
All offers should be PM'ed to me.
There is a maximum of 5 bids on new players per day.
Example:
Bid 1) Scott Dann
Bid 2) Roger Johnson
Bid 3) Liam Ridgewell
Bid 4) Curtis Davies
Bid 5) Stephen Carr
Bid 6) alpaslan ozturk
Bid 6 will not be valid and will not go through, you must wait 24 hours before bidding for them.
If you re-bid on a player you have already made an existing bid for, this does not reduce the number of bids available.
May i request that you group your bids together in a PM if possible. Saves room in my inbox and makes it easier to log. Thank you. (you can send them individually with time gaps, but don't send like 5 pm's at once, try and group them please)
The first phase for Defenders will closed on Wednesday 6th July 2011 at 8pm GMT
Happy bidding and please take it easy on me! there's only one of me!
As I feel i can handle a few more bids, you can now bid on 5 players per day.
For example
23:59 Tuesday (5 bids put in)
00:01 Wednesday (5 bids can be put in again)
Sorry if causes any annoyance but as its such a short transfer window I thought to maximise player bidding it would be better.
happy to hear your thoughts on this though?
try not to do it the way it is set in the example though please. that will just piss me off ¬_¬
Ali_BWFC
05-07-2011, 13:09
Did you get my bids, PEM?
Did you get my bids, PEM?
nope. :erm: Send again. Wait yes i did. It was a sneaky PM that, didn't see it.
Do we need to resend the bids we made yesterday? A made a few between 2 admins
PEM , I sent you some bids last night as well. They there?
PEM , I sent you some bids last night as well. They there?
Getting through them now buddy.
appswah. Yes, bidding had been wiped.
Yeh sorry just been through the thread and only just seen
A request please. As many are asking if I have received their bids, please add that tag where it shows whether i have read the PM or not. This way I just have to click Yes or No and you'll know if i've read the PM or not. Thanks
Note: if I PM you with Defender update and i don't say anything about the other players you are bidding for then assume you are lead bidder.
Dragonfly
06-07-2011, 21:00
Just realised we've all been posting in the Log Book. Shouldn't every "non-logging" posts be made in here? Anyway...bloody hell Sminky. How much on Koscielny?
Just realised we've all been posting in the Log Book. Shouldn't every "non-logging" posts be made in here? Anyway...bloody hell Sminky. How much on Koscielny?
Yeah, I screwed myself :laugh:
Nifty1Pound50
06-07-2011, 21:06
Can I just categorically state my opposition to changing of the budget.
£125m is plenty. You can't change it now you've spent way too much on your first few players.
If everyone has spent too big, it just means strikers will be cheap. It doesn't mean anyone has an advantage.
Maybe what you'll need to do is lower the minimum bid.
Those of us who have played it cautious early, knowing there is a budget, are being screwed if you now up the budget. If you up the budget, I want to be allowed to re-bid on all players thus far. It would only be fair.
For the record, I am happy with what I have done so far and hope that isn't what we resort to.
Can I just categorically state my opposition to changing of the budget.
£125m is plenty. You can't change it now you've spent way too much on your first few players.
I also appose. It's not fair to the ones who have spent with their budget in mind.
Dragonfly
06-07-2011, 21:08
Can I just categorically state my opposition to changing of the budget.
£125m is plenty. You can't change it now you've spent way too much on your first few players.
Agreed. Like Bish said in the other thread, people should be more responsible. I calculated how much I'm left with per player I need to get and I'm happy with what I've got left. I think spending is going to be more reserved from now on, anyway.
I've spent loads of my budget but think its stupid upping the budget as people will just bid more.
I can easily withdraw my team, its no issue. But consider what was spent in general
Mike £54m
DF £62m
Appswah £33m (on 3 players!)
You yourself spent £44m
Matt £55m
DJ Clue £42m (on 3 players!)
Regardless of opposition, look at this logically, Midfielders and Strikers are going to be expensive commodities with the bidding structure. By the time Striker bidding opens, there will be no budget.
I propose this ...
You have a budget of £75m per position - Except goalkeepers. If this is exceeded, only transfers within that budget occur.
Either that or a budget of £250m. It sounds high, but in with the way bidding works its not even close.
Final option is to go bust and pick a team again from scratch.
Or .... we change the bidding structure. Its alot of work for me & PEM and a nightmare to budget sensibly in terms of longevity. Especially in consideration of decent players.
Ali_BWFC
06-07-2011, 21:17
Maybe the bidding shouldn't be blind. You could leave the bidder's names out. But think about it.... I could bid 5mil for Vidic, I'll then get a msg that I was outbid. I don't know whether this is 5.1mil or 10mil.
One thing I should suggest for other players, is to write out a list of which players you want to sign, include backups. Also, write down the maximum you're willing to pay for each player, and stick to that budget.
There doesn't need to be any changes to the budget or rules. We're gonna have a squad of AT LEAST 18 players, you can't play them all, so get in your mind 11 first choice players and then think about good, cheap backups.
Maybe the bidding shouldn't be blind. You could leave the bidder's names out. But think about it.... I could bid 5mil for Vidic, I'll then get a msg that I was outbid. I don't know whether this is 5.1mil or 10mil.
One thing I should suggest for other players, is to write out a list of which players you want to sign, include backups. Also, write down the maximum you're willing to pay for each player, and stick to that budget.
I think PMing bidding doesn't work. Its too much work as well. 100+ PM's already.
I think having a thread for each team, where people bid for who they want player wise from that team - and its up to whoever wants to rival that bid whether they go overboard. Everyone then knows boundaries/limits. That method supports a budget of £125m.
The current system doesn't, its flawed, I underestimated too many factors.
PESGaming Fantasy Football...Lockout.
:laugh:
Its too flawed and poor PEM has realised how much hell it is with the PM's :lol:
Ali_BWFC
06-07-2011, 21:26
I think PMing bidding doesn't work. Its too much work as well. 100+ PM's already.
I think having a thread for each team, where people bid for who they want player wise from that team - and its up to whoever wants to rival that bid whether they go overboard. Everyone then knows boundaries/limits. That method supports a budget of £125m.
The current system doesn't, its flawed, I underestimated too many factors.
Hmmmm, could work. I suppose. Do you REALLY want to create a thread for each team though? In terms of squads, how far do you go? Do you include some reserve players etc?
Its alot to ponder, the enormity of the game has certainly provided a good learning curve, logically the game can only implode in its current form.
Nifty1Pound50
06-07-2011, 21:31
I am working on a complete player list, which will help everyone to know. It'll be ready by the end of tonight, I imagine.
However, I propose we do this:
Bid via PM (to PEM) as normal. However, scrap the updates about whether you are winning. Make a bid you feel reasonable. If you wish to up it, as you get nervy, fine.
Effectively, doing this, the person who values that player the highest gets them. And it will cost them their bid.
This will eliminate all the back-and-forth PMs - it is down to the participants to proactively go after a player. If you lose out, you lose out. So be it.
In a league of 12 teams there will be plenty of excellent midfielders and forwards (good points scorers) who you will be the final bidder on. Get them for £3m.
It will support the £125m budget. The fact is, if everyone has overspent, everyone will need to come down in terms of their prices.
If someone leaves enough in the kitty to bid £20m for a good player, then let them.
There is absolutely no reason why £125m can't remain as the budget and there is absolutely no reason why we can't have 'blind' bidding.
I agree, though, that the '3 bids' rule and the PMs associated with that are excessive.
So your saying all bids we make will be in our own team threads? Whilst keeping the 3 bids per player rule. I think that could work.
So your saying all bids we make will be in our own team threads? Whilst keeping the 3 bids per player rule. I think that could work.
Indeed, PM-ing is just too much for me and PEM.
I think it'll be easier to judge your budget as well. Also, bidding works on 24 hour rolling basis. You bid, someone has 24 hours to beat it.
This is a suggestion, you can only bid on 3 players per 24 hours 3 times.
Nifty1Pound50
06-07-2011, 21:36
Its alot to ponder, the enormity of the game has certainly provided a good learning curve, logically the game can only implode in its current form.
That isn't true at all.
Logically, the game needs to have some restrictions placed on it.
1. Lengthen the first phase to one week, maybe even two weeks, whilst keeping a 72-hour deadline from any initial bid.
2. Limit the number of bids a member can make per day to 5. That's 5 bids, not bids for 5 players.
Regarding the learning curve, I think there are a few people who are looking at their budgets now and realising that paying £15m for player X was a bit excessive. They will be more cautious from now on and the budgets will dictate the bids; not the other way around.
You've got to remember it is just this storm that needs to be ridden out. The bidding process is an involved one, but we are almost halfway there.
Ali_BWFC
06-07-2011, 21:36
Indeed, PM-ing is just too much for me and PEM.
I think it'll be easier to judge your budget as well. Also, bidding works on 24 hour rolling basis. You bid, someone has 24 hours to beat it.
How would this proposed method work exactly? For example, if I log in on Friday and want to bid for a player, should I look if he has already had a bid placed on him? What would I do then? Would I reply in that person's thread or my own?
You reply in the team thread. If you bid for Van Persie, you bid in the Arsenal thread likewise everyone else. You need to acknowledge any previous bids in your post.
You reply in the team thread. If you bid for Van Persie, you bid in the Arsenal thread likewise everyone else. You need to acknowledge any previous bids in your post.
No I wouldn't do that. I thought you meant bid in the team thread you made for yourself. My team is AFC Quimbledon so I'd bid in there.
EDIT Nevermind, know what you meant now.
Ali_BWFC
06-07-2011, 21:44
You reply in the team thread. If you bid for Van Persie, you bid in the Arsenal thread likewise everyone else. You need to acknowledge any previous bids in your post.
Ok, so you WERE talking about creating a thread for the Prem Lg teams, as I initially thought. Bish's post confused me a little, I think he thought you were talking about OUR teams.
This method sounds good. It does unfortunately eliminate the prospect of finding a player that others haven't thought of yet though. But I think it's better than the current method.
EDIT: The team threads should be listed as "IMPORTANT", to keep them from getting mixed with our team threads.
Agreed. I'm glad I tried it this way, but equally glad to learn from its limitations.
Nifty1Pound50
06-07-2011, 21:52
Sminky, I know I seem like I am flying in the face of your every suggestion at the moment, but here are my concerns:
1. Making bidding 'open' will actually encourage more money to be spent. Your next bid will always be an improvement on the last person's bid - with blind bidding, this wasn't the case. It will encourage more multiple-way auctions, as everyone is aware of the players being bid on. Three people with three bids each means 9 increases in valuation. I doubt that would've happened under the old system.
2. It takes away the individual participant's valuation of the player. When you see someone outbidding you by a certain amount, it makes it a lot easier to respond. If you simply know you are not winning, you might reconsider - especially as the bid isn't staring you in the face every time you wish to place a bid on a player.
3. It becomes more difficult for people to track their own budget. To place 5 bids on 5 players, I will need to navigate to 5 threads and make those bids. Rather than easily placing a total of £30m in bids in a single PM. I then know my maximum outgoing is £30m and whether that works for my budget. Trying to keep track of bids in multiple threads will be a nightmare for some.
I understand that it must be a logistical nightmare in terms of PMs - but I feel the system as at the very heart of what made this FF stand out from others.
I'm telling you now - I would never have got the players I got, at the price I got them, if bidding was open. I feel I was rewarded with hard work and decent knowledge (of course, that's up for debate). But my point is that the new system has as many, if not more, flaws than the old one and (for lack of a better word) seems like a bit of a 'kop out' to the very ethos of the game you have devised and worked extremely hard at.
I agree with Nifty. I managed to pull off a decent 3m signing. With open bidding, people could see my bid, think ''I hadn't thought of him, I'll bid as well''.
I think we should stick it out with the current format just tinkering with the PM method.
I think the final decision rests with PEM, he offered to manage the PM's and its a huge undertaking.
Logically speaking, the current game has already imploded. I think as good as blind bidding is the limited bidding and the amount of PMs to track make it not only a full time job in itself but unworkable.
PM's is out the question for me. Another system needs to be arrived at.
Nifty1Pound50
06-07-2011, 22:05
From what I can see, the only issue with the current system is the logistics regarding the PMs. I don't believe that the budgets are a limitation as I feel people's hand will be forced.
I have personally been quite methodical with my bidding.
We could tweak the bidding procedure so that participants must:
1. Send only one PM per day. Consider who you want to bid for, work out your budget, consider their value. Price them up accordingly.
2. Submit all bids for a player within a single PM. For example, with Kyle Walker, I said to PEM:
"£3m bid for Kyle Walker. If beaten, raise bid to £6m. If beaten, raise again to £8m."
As it turns out, the second bid won and I snapped him up.
If you used rule 1, there is a maximum of 36 PMs that could be sent containing bids.
If you use rule 2, you will drastically reduce the number of PMs and people will also be able to work out what resources they have remaining.
I'm sure with a bit of thought a system could be put in place that works. I have come up with those in the space of a minute or two.
I think as good as blind bidding is the limited bidding and the amount of PMs to track make it not only a full time job in itself but unworkable.
I agree entirely. If you make it entirely blind bidding, using rule 2 above, the person who values a player the highest wins him. This puts the incentive on the participant to work out his budget constraints and there is no 'negotiation' phase. Surely it could work?
It reduces PMs, makes people consider budgets but yet it retains the cool element of the game which I think it would be a genuine shame to have to sacrifice.
I think budgets should be apportioned to positions. It will make budgeting easier.
e.g, total spend per position
GK: £10m
DF: £25m
MD: £40m
FW: £50m
From what I can see, the only issue with the current system is the logistics regarding the PMs. I don't believe that the budgets are a limitation as I feel people's hand will be forced.
I have personally been quite methodical with my bidding.
We could tweak the bidding procedure so that participants must:
1. Send only one PM per day. Consider who you want to bid for, work out your budget, consider their value. Price them up accordingly.
2. Submit all bids for a player within a single PM. For example, with Kyle Walker, I said to PEM:
"£3m bid for Kyle Walker. If beaten, raise bid to £6m. If beaten, raise again to £8m."
As it turns out, the second bid won and I snapped him up.
If you used rule 1, there is a maximum of 36 PMs that could be sent containing bids.
If you use rule 2, you will drastically reduce the number of PMs and people will also be able to work out what resources they have remaining.
I'm sure with a bit of thought a system could be put in place that works. I have come up with those in the space of a minute or two.
I agree entirely. If you make it entirely blind bidding, using rule 2 above, the person who values a player the highest wins him. This puts the incentive on the participant to work out his budget constraints and there is no 'negotiation' phase. Surely it could work?
It reduces PMs, makes people consider budgets but yet it retains the cool element of the game which I think it would be a genuine shame to have to sacrifice.
That's a great idea. Would make PEM's job a lot easier.
Sminky, you can't cap values for positions. The top scoring defenders will be scoring just as much as the top scoring strikers. It isn't all about scoring goals, every position is as important as the other.
Cesc Fabregas
06-07-2011, 22:15
I've changed my mind, if someone wants to bid 20m for goalkeepers and defenders let them. let's just see how they do when they can only buy nicklas bendtner for a forward.
I've changed my mind, if someone wants to bid 20m for goalkeepers and defenders let them. let's just see how they do when they can only buy nicklas bendtner for a forward.
Bendtner is a quality striker. I won't go into this now but give him a proper go in the Premier League and see what he does. I rate him very highly. Hopefully he'll get his move this summer.
Nifty1Pound50
06-07-2011, 22:18
I have worked out that I have an average of £8.4m to spend on my remaining 10 players (if I sell a defender for £3m as I have one too many) - basing it on a total squad of 18.
I'm confident I can do that and get a fairly balanced team. I also think I've got some pretty decent players in my defence.
However, I'm sure others - who have spent more - have bigger names. But that's what you pay the money for. Will they be able to compete with me in the latter stages for the strikers? Maybe not. Will it be their own fault? Absolutely.
I agree that there are plenty of ways this could have been better from the start. But I also think having invested a significant amount of time already we should plough on as people have no doubt started to consider budgets and who to buy based on what has gone on.
Of course those who have spent more are at the disadvantage, but everyone knew the rules at the start of the game. If someone wants to bid £20m for Cech knowing that is almost 1/6th of their budget, then that is their decision.
I am aware I keep fighting the corner of the tight-arse, but that's because I feel like I've bid intelligently and I don't want to be punished for it.
How's this for a solution - if we implement the suggestions I have proposed to limit the number of PMs, I will take over the handling of the PMs for midfielders and strikers. Actually, there is no real 'handling' involved - it is all down to the participants.
I would simply submit my bids first, to PEM, so I don't get an advantage having seen any other bids.
Would that be enough to convince you to continue with the current 'system' (albeit a varied adaptation thereof)?
Ali_BWFC
06-07-2011, 22:19
That's a great idea. Would make PEM's job a lot easier.
Sminky, you can't cap values for positions. The top scoring defenders will be scoring just as much as the top scoring strikers. It isn't all about scoring goals, every position is as important as the other.
For a moment, I thought you meant "goalscoring" :facepalm:.
That idea that you highlighted of Nifty's, I agree on too. You could do it all with one single PM, I suppose.
eg:
Hangeland - 4mil 6mil 8mil
Bale - 6mil 9mil 15mil
etc etc
You could go a step further:
If all bids for Bale fail:
Paul Konchesky - 3mil 10mil 85mil
EDIT: An unintentional rhyme with "Bale fail" :)
Maybe ebay style bidding would be better. We just pick our maximum bids three times. My max bid is £15m and someone bids £10m. The bid ends, I pay £10,000,0001.
Nifty1Pound50
06-07-2011, 22:22
If my previous suggestion were to be implemented, the only difficulty will come with working out what happens if people overbid. But I imagine the administration involved in that would be far less than what PEM/Sminky have done so far.
Again, I hope I don't sound like I am massively whinging - I appreciate the amount of hard work this has already given you both.
Maybe ebay style bidding would be better. We just pick our maximum bids three times. My max bid is £15m and someone bids £10m. The bid ends, I pay £10,000,0001.
Except I would say that you pay whatever your bid is, not marginally higher than the nearest rival bid. I only say this because it better simulates a club/player's agent angling for a bigger figure (I'm being nerdy, but I want the 'real feel' along with the practicality - and I think it is achievable if we brainstorm).
Carrying on with what Nifty's said, I've already worked out what 4 strikers I want, whilst keeping in mind my budget constraints.
Cesc Fabregas
06-07-2011, 22:23
I'd just keep it like it is now.
The time involved for PM's isn't possible for me to accommodate, I don't know what PEM wants to do but regardless of outcome, I'm liquidating my team and starting again, I have little choice.
Ali_BWFC
06-07-2011, 22:27
The time involved for PM's isn't possible for me to accommodate, I don't know what PEM wants to do but regardless of outcome, I'm liquidating my team and starting again, I have little choice.
Are you gonna pay the release fees? :hmm:
I'd just keep it like it is now.
Do you want to handle 20 Pm's every time you log in?
Cesc Fabregas
06-07-2011, 22:29
I doubt he would, that means someone can just make a new account or something and avoid release clauses. PEM should tell us when he liquidates his club so we can bid on his players.
Edit: Ehhhh, good point.
Phatmann
06-07-2011, 22:31
The time involved for PM's isn't possible for me to accommodate, I don't know what PEM wants to do but regardless of outcome, I'm liquidating my team and starting again, I have little choice.
Why not be smart and sell some of your players? A lot of teams are currently looking rather thin when it comes to defenders and I'm sure they'd be happy to take one or two off your hands.
Are you gonna pay the release fees? :hmm:
With the £400k I have remaining? :lol:
Why not be smart and sell some of your players? A lot of teams are currently looking rather thin when it comes to defenders and I'm sure they'd be happy to take one or two off your hands.
Are you seriously suggesting Mike I can raise £60m from selling defenders.
Cesc Fabregas
06-07-2011, 22:33
I'd be happy to take five of em :)
Phatmann
06-07-2011, 22:34
I raised over £12m from selling 2 goalies that I paid £3m each for. I doubled my money. Maybe you won't make £60m but you could make a decent sum I reckon.
Nifty1Pound50
06-07-2011, 22:34
You've got Hunter in desperate need of players.
You could definitely make a tidy profit on Bale.
Ali_BWFC
06-07-2011, 22:35
Sminky.... why the fuck did you bid so much for so many players? What was going through your mind?
I still need 3 defenders and didn't bid that much on my current crop so I'm another one who'd be interested, Sminky.
Cesc Fabregas
06-07-2011, 22:39
Sminky.... why the fuck did you bid so much for so many players? What was going through your mind?
This. I'd also like to know what was going through your mind bidding 16m on KOSCIELNY:shocking:
Phatmann
06-07-2011, 22:40
I'd be interested in selling one of either Enrique, Dunne, Reid or Steven Taylor if anyone is interested?
I'd be interested in selling one of either Enrique, Dunne, Reid or Steven Taylor if anyone is interested?
I'm interested but need to know if we're carrying on first.
Sminky.... why the fuck did you bid so much for so many players? What was going through your mind?
Tactical, sort of. Fucked myself over though so the joke was on me :joel:
Why the Villa defence was not raided is beyond me. With McLeish as manager Villa are bound to keep clean sheets.
PEM, what do you want to do moving forward bidding etc and PM's? I'm still pro ebay style bidding
= We just pick our maximum bids three times. My max bid is £15m and someone bids £10m. The bid ends, I pay £10,000,0001.
Why the Villa defence was not raided is beyond me. With McLeish as manager Villa are bound to keep clean sheets.
I thought that too but heard rumours that Collins and Dunne could be replaced, plus I don't know who their full backs will be this season.
Ali_BWFC
06-07-2011, 22:46
Tactical, sort of. Fucked myself over though so the joke was on me :joel:
Tactical? Really??
PEM, what do you want to do moving forward bidding etc and PM's? I'm still pro ebay style bidding
= We just pick our maximum bids three times. My max bid is £15m and someone bids £10m. The bid ends, I pay £10,000,0001.
I Don't know as Its all too messy as I'll be dealing with defenders AND Midfielders at the same time. Will mean i will be dealing with so so many PM's it'll become a joke how often i have to send read update etc. I know I have a lot of time but as explained to you before I have a few things I have to prepare for.
Tactical? Really??
:laugh:
Yeah, you'd be appalled if you knew what I was doing. Your northern sense of honour wouldn't permit it :lol:
I thought that too but heard rumours that Collins and Dunne could be replaced, plus I don't know who their full backs will be this season.
Yeah but with hardly any of them being taken a 3m punt would have got you one of them. Worth the risk.
Ali_BWFC
06-07-2011, 22:49
PEM, what do you want to do moving forward bidding etc and PM's? I'm still pro ebay style bidding
= We just pick our maximum bids three times. My max bid is £15m and someone bids £10m. The bid ends, I pay £10,000,0001.
How would this work with 1st, 2nd and 3rd bids?
Could you give an example of an exchange showing how it will all work? (10 Marks)
EDIT: Sminky, my Northern humour is too high-brow for your liking!
EDIT 2: Were you trying to get other players to waste their money, by raisng the bids?
How would this work with 1st, 2nd and 3rd bids?
Could you give an example of an exchange showing how it will all work? (10 Marks)
EDIT: Sminky, my Northern humour is too high-brow for your liking!
Oh how I miss exams :cry:
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