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Makavelian
23-08-2011, 17:39
Really really bad.
Dribbling is absolutely awful ,everything done at a 100 mph.So stupid and arcade like.
Shooting just doesn't feel right because the lack of power .
Heading is very good but i think they've made it way too easy to score with your head.You can proper bullet it in with you head.
The little flashup thing after a replay is the most annoying thing in the world,like hexagons all splitting up:realmad:.
Wtf are konami doing releasing this shit.:huh:
I'm not going to mention the improvements because the game is so fucked up .
Prepared for huge dissapointment when you download the demo tomorrow.
Really really bad.
Dribbling is absolutely awful ,everything done at a 100 mph.So stupid and arcade like.
Shooting just doesn't feel right because the lack of power .
Heading is very good but i think they've made it way too easy to score with your head.You can proper bullet it in with you head.
The little flashup thing after a replay is the most annoying thing in the world,like hexagons all splitting up:realmad:.
Wtf are konami doing releasing this shit.:huh:
I'm not going to mention the improvements because the game is so fucked up l.
Prepared for huge dissapointment when you download the demo tomorrow.
Ill judge tomorrow. Is it possible to adjust gamespeed in demo?
Over at PESfan.com all impressions were positive. But i dont hope this will be an arcade game. However bear in mind that real demo comes out in 3 weeks evnethough it sound stupid to release 2 demos in one month.
Really? I think it's got all the signs of the best PES ever.... It's not arcade like at all, the AI is improved beyond believe and the challenged game play is remarkable. yes the shooting needs a little re-working but that's to be expected from an 80% done game. The whole feel is great if not fantastic and not only is it fun but it is truly addicting to play aswell!
If it feels to fast put the speed down, and change your assisted settings. Also the off the ball controlling is difficult at first but now I use it all the time, PES is back.
sydney2008
23-08-2011, 18:00
Really really bad.
Dribbling is absolutely awful ,everything done at a 100 mph.So stupid and arcade like.
Shooting just doesn't feel right because the lack of power .
Heading is very good but i think they've made it way too easy to score with your head.You can proper bullet it in with you head.
The little flashup thing after a replay is the most annoying thing in the world,like hexagons all splitting up:realmad:.
Wtf are konami doing releasing this shit.:huh:
I'm not going to mention the improvements because the game is so fucked up .
Prepared for huge disappointment when you download the demo tomorrow.
So you don`t like the ( DEMO ) well , you can get rid of it and go get your FIFA animation feast .
I wonder what game are you talking about ? PES 2012 DEMO ? are you sure ?
because i have played it , you can dribble , 360 degree is there , you can fake shot any defender , the problem is about you , not the game , when ( so many ) fans like the game and you say that you don`t , so there is something wrong happened to you while playing let`s say such as ROBINHO has passed your poor defenders one by another ? or might be the naughty Ibra had a chip shot your goalie and scored a nice goal after passing him easily ? maybe he is the bad boy naymar , i know he could passed all your defenders and had a penalty then scored a wonderful goal ? or it`s all about that you are not a real football player though . chill out and go get your Other game , enjoy it but i won`t .
Makavelian
23-08-2011, 18:11
oh ,i got some backs up here.
ooooookaaaaaaayyyyyy......sum1 wants fifa ?
but anyway,pes 12 looks sick so far,can't wait to try the demo.
PES 2011 Demo was unplayable for me, but this demo is somehow playable. The problem is that almost everything is awkward.
It's hard to take this game serious at all.
clark_walker
23-08-2011, 18:44
Really really bad.
Dribbling is absolutely awful ,everything done at a 100 mph.So stupid and arcade like.
Shooting just doesn't feel right because the lack of power .
Heading is very good but i think they've made it way too easy to score with your head.You can proper bullet it in with you head.
The little flashup thing after a replay is the most annoying thing in the world,like hexagons all splitting up:realmad:.
Wtf are konami doing releasing this shit.:huh:
I'm not going to mention the improvements because the game is so fucked up .
Prepared for huge dissapointment when you download the demo tomorrow.
WHAA!!!:shocking: ....dude! i don't know which demo you were playing but it's definitely not the one i played!
The Ai is actually pretty good this time around! they dribble, fake shots..and pressure you! now that's the kind of ai i want! more challenge. Since i'll be playing ML most of the time.
1. Goalkeepers are good! Didn't have any problems with them anyway. Played 11 matches...didnt see any dumb spills or silly goals.
2.Animation an improvement this time around! though not fifa kind of animation!.
3.Passing is slick now/Shooting feels satisfying.
4. Graphics has been enhanced!
5. Dribbling is much much better now!
6. Gameplay is Awesome! no more stiffness, and no more frustrations! unlike in pes 2011.
what i didn;t like is when i make a through pass, the player receiving the ball stills feels like he's on rails! but i just use the super cancel though. if Konami can fix this, i'll be happy!
now if we can only map our Goal Celebrations...
sportyfox
23-08-2011, 18:47
It's getting really good reviews and I should say it's the PES shaping up to be the best in the series.
Very good!
GK's are good my ass. Stop fucking lying to yourself.
I been playing this demo for 2 days and the majority of times the GK has done some retarded choiches.
clark_walker
23-08-2011, 19:02
GK's are good my ass. Stop fucking lying to yourself.
I been playing this demo for 2 days and the majority of times the GK has done some retarded choiches.
2 days compared to 11 matches...
i have been playing this demo for 11 matches and the majority of times the GK did't make any retarded choice.
MysteryMan
23-08-2011, 19:21
Game improved beyond recognition compared to 2011, its way better.
That being said theres alot of things that still need to be improved to make this 2012 pes enjoyable.
-Goalkeepers are retarded, but KONAMI seems to be working on that lets see in the next demo.
-Shooting is nice the ball curls alot more and towards the goal most of the times which is what happens in real life aswell, but the ball is still too floaty sometimes and sometimes it goes way different than you wanted it to go so hopefully they improve it a bit.
-new shot fake is nice but why only left right and forward? we need to be able to do it in 8 directions at least.
-Players have too good ball control ( even the ones that don't have high ball control ) its like its glued to their foot too much even when they run, they need to tone it down just a bit
-Lob shoot still sucks, the height is pretty much like a high shot, seriously it needs to DIP alot more and have bigger height or its fairly useless. Whats the point if you can't lob the keeper even if hes at the penalty line just because the lob height is maybe half a meter higher than his height lol..
-Whats with acceleration? It seems once players make a move and start running they run at top speed always, they don't gain speed at all, it looks a bit weird for me
-You now have more options with pushing the ball forward, you can use RB and RT and push it medium distance or you can tap RB and you push it very far, very nice feature but when you standstill you can't push the ball alot left or right, you can only do it forward or diagonal but when going left or right the player has glued close control ( for example if some atacker is coming from my left and I want to drag the ball to the right to open space for miself I can't push the ball alot its always glued to your foot ).
-Player speed seems weird, one good thing is that they removed the catch up bug but one bad thing is that I can't rly notice a significant difference in 80 or 90 top speed, its pretty much almost not noticable, in reality someone with 90 speed should skin someone with 80 easily, if they run 30 metres one with 90 should gain a significant advantage, but so far I noticed that everytime your on a break or opponent is the defender and the attacker before him almost gain no difference they always run equal no matter if the defender is much slower or much faster than the attacker, I kinda don't get it is it scripted like the catch up bug only that the speeds are the same or that you can't catch up even if ur speed is 99 and the attackers 1? Idk but it would be much better if speed had much bigger difference in this situation and in the game aswell.
These are a few bigger flaws that I see for now, of course there are lot of small improvements but not deal breakers, these mentioned above are the most important issues atm.
TechGuyatNY
23-08-2011, 19:34
gameplay: the catch up bug is gone (THANK YOU), and long through balls finally work now. AI still too easy. is it just me or is the pitch a lot bigger? i find it a lot easier to keep possession, but harder to press the opposition. still have yet to master the 2nd player controls, even on automatic. regardless, i won 2-1 first game on top player, Napoli vs Porto =D
layout: stats view will take a while getting used to, now that they split it into 4 sections. not sure i like it. takes a while trying to figure out who's the best FK taker, who's the best capt, etc.
stats: the stats are a bit weird. i'm a bit upset they took away the WB position (maggio should not be a default SMF). also DMF is overrated now. seedorf and hamsik make better DMF's than CMF's apparently
overall, i'm satisfied and still looking forward to the final release
bugs: oh right, the replay logo bug is still there
TechGuyatNY
23-08-2011, 19:39
as for the GK debate, i feel the GK AI is worse, but the animations are better, so when they make a save, it looks better on screen, but they still make the same handling mistakes as PES 2011. their movement and positioning is slightly better though in the demo 2012, but their handling is shakey.
then again, most of the goals i conceded were from Helton, the Porto keeper... or Kuscakak, the Man Utd keeper, or De Sanctis
i'll need to play again with Abbiati and i'll judge again. but wait, Abbiati is not that great either.... he's only rated 82
you see, that's the thing, all the GK's in the demo inherently suck because they just suck in real life, so i'm sure Casillas, Cesar, Buffon, and co. should be significantly better in the full game or next demo
I've got to wait till tomorrow but I'm liking the sound of some of the notes here. Delighted to see the catch up flaw removed.
One thing I really hope they removed is the panenka 'glitch' - basically in 2011 if you shoot a panenka penalty to either side of the goal the goalkeeper cannot save the penalty no matter what he does (ie stays standing or dives the correct way). Hopefully this has been fixed, perhaps someone with the demo can try it out?
PES 2011 Demo was unplayable for me, but this demo is somehow playable. The problem is that almost everything is awkward.
It's hard to take this game serious at all.
This sums it up for me. more playable than the last but just looks and feels awkward alot of the time. AI is fantastically improved though. also this off the ball control non sense at corners, pretty sure that was a gimmick back in the day in a FIFA, shocked they would take that route.
one of the biggest annoyances is the way they sprint with the ball, its the same old tap in front that looks like the balls attatched to them by a string.
also i hated the skill scheme of last year and that seems to still be there.
flying volleys from outside the area are stupid.
controlling defenders and timing tackles is good and improved, and opposing AI, everything is not so...
2 days compared to 11 matches...
i have been playing this demo for 11 matches and the majority of times the GK did't make any retarded choice.
:lol:
You seriously can't be this stupid.
I managed to get the PC demo. This feels unfinished and a bit dodgy. It does feel unfinished.
BUT THE AI IS FANTASTIC. Seriously, the opposing team players have individuality now, the AI defines dribblers, ball shielders, sprinters and passers much more. Something that wasn't there in CPU controlled teams in pes 11.
Not only that, the way the players move and the overall pace and BUILD UP you can make are truly realistic.
AND ALSO, THE ANIMATION LINKS AND TRANSITIONS ARE SMOOTH FINALLY.
Oh and keepers seem better, but they do need work. Thing is I haven't seen any REALLY STUPID SAVES that pes 11 had sometimes. Though sometimes they could save more.
Although, I do not want fifa superhuman goalkeepers that make point blank saves all the time, even if you put the worst keeper at goal.
The shooting is very rewarding and the placing seems to work better too. Yes I think so far, we have more control over the shots than in 11.
Things I didn't like were the acceleration. Someone mentioned it here. IT'S A BIT WEIRD. But maybe it's due to it being unfinished and unrefined. I am sure in the full game, this will at least feel better.
I am confident that this is the pes 3 (revolution) for ps3 PES so far.
Impressed with the AI to say the least.:)
Oh and it's not so easy even on professional this time. Imagine superstar. :D
sgmullins
23-08-2011, 21:15
I managed to get the PC demo. This feels unfinished and a bit dodgy. It does feel unfinished.
BUT THE AI IS FANTASTIC. Seriously, the opposing team players have individuality now, the AI defines dribblers, ball shielders, sprinters and passers much more. Something that wasn't there in CPU controlled teams in pes 11.
Not only that, the way the players move and the overall pace and BUILD UP you can make are truly realistic.
AND ALSO, THE ANIMATION LINKS AND TRANSITIONS ARE SMOOTH FINALLY.
Oh and keepers seem better, but they do need work. Thing is I haven't seen any REALLY STUPID SAVES that pes 11 had sometimes. Though sometimes they could save more.
Although, I do not want fifa superhuman goalkeepers that make point blank saves all the time, even if you put the worst keeper at goal.
The shooting is very rewarding and the placing seems to work better too. Yes I think so far, we have more control over the shots than in 11.
Things I didn't like were the acceleration. Someone mentioned it here. IT'S A BIT WEIRD. But maybe it's due to it being unfinished and unrefined. I am sure in the full game, this will at least feel better.
I am confident that this is the pes 3 (revolution) for ps3 PES so far.
Impressed with the AI to say the least.:)
Oh and it's not so easy even on professional this time. Imagine superstar. :DGranted i have only played 4 matches, but i am finding it difficult to actually score. I like the way your closed down by the AI.
Lots of negativity on this site every other site raving about the demo seems odd FIFA lovers maybe or moaners you just can't please I think it's a brill game
Makavelian
23-08-2011, 22:04
I really hope they improve this game play .The close control is a game breaker for me.I had carrick and Fletcher doing some crazy skills and turning like some football gods.
to me it feels worse than 2011
i hope this is because its raw
2011 brought me back to PES series
hope 2012 is even better (not worse :( )
Montanaro
23-08-2011, 22:26
I'm going to have to see more from the 2nd demo
Gks have butter fingers and the end of game scripting is still very much evident.
Glad they got rid of the stumbling animation when someone challenges you and you can't move. AI is a ton better, and the atmosphere feels like older PES's (good thing).
The freekick system is just as easy for AI and human as last year
I'll probably wait to see what everyone thinks of the final game before I buy it. I've got enough games and other responsibilities without buying another mediocre 50 dollar game.
Makavelian
23-08-2011, 22:31
ooooookaaaaaaayyyyyy......sum1 wants fifa ?
but anyway,pes 12 looks sick so far,can't wait to try the demo.
Kill that noise child.
I'm fucking devastated with this shit what they've served up.
uploading a video soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It will open your eyes to the abortion that is this pes 2012 code what we are all going to have the misfortune to play.
I'll probably wait to see what everyone thinks of the final game before I buy it. I've got enough games and other responsibilities without buying another mediocre 50 dollar game.
You can always rent the game for a bit to see if it is any good?
Anyway, im a ps3 user but im downloading right now just to get a look at it, the buttons will take getting used to :)
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Montanaro
23-08-2011, 23:32
You can always rent the game for a bit to see if it is any good?
Anyway, im a ps3 user but im downloading right now just to get a look at it, the buttons will take getting used to :)
PC only buddy
Makavelian
23-08-2011, 23:57
Sorry for the butchered video quality.My third game ,i know i'm poor at this pes atm but i have no intention of improving my game if this is the going to be like the full game.
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futsal4lyfe
23-08-2011, 23:57
I'm not too impressed with the demo either. The player movements seem awkward and inorganic. Some of the animations still are no where near on par with fifa (e.g. goalkeepers, etc.) which affects the robotic feel of the players and smoothness of gameplay. Maybe its just me, but I also don't feel 360 degree dribbling. It seems like some degrees of freedom are cut out. The 360 degree passing is nice, but fifa's manual system provides the same thing. Most of my gripes I had with PES 11, too.
I really like the off-the-ball control on set pieces and the new A.I. They introduce new elements of strategy to the game.
I know a lot of people say the animations in fifa are superficial, but I really think they contribute to the realism and dynamism of gameplay. As usual, however, I will wait for both the final FIFA 12 and PES 12 demos to come out before making a final verdict.
Craney91
24-08-2011, 00:05
Can someone who has played the demo, answer me one question?
Is it more responsive dribbling with the ball?
Yes or No.
I just had a game playing as Santos vs Penarol. (Recorded)
Engineered for freedom my butt. The movement and passing is so fucking awkward it's unbelieveable. Almost like you got no control at all.
I litterally smashed the running button and still my defenders jogs. The only thing i seem to like is shooting in this game.
Makavelian
24-08-2011, 00:11
Can someone who has played the demo, answer me one question?
Is it more responsive dribbling with the ball?
Yes or No.
Yes ,way to responsive.
I'm glad people are waking up to this mediocrity that we have been given.
How can anyone call this the best pes is beyonfd me .Themovement when dribbling is:huh:.
Craney91
24-08-2011, 00:16
Are you all playing the PC version?
Because to be fair the PC version wasn't shown or playable at the games conventions (E3 and gamescom) only the console version was available to play/try. Nothing but positive news has come from the people that have played at the conventions or those lucky enough to have an early code.
I'm very skeptical about some of the shit coming out of peoples mouths here. It might just be preference and it does not tickle your fancy, or it might just be that you play more SHITFA than Pro Evo.
I'll wait till in the morning and download the demo for Xbox and find out for myself.
Something, somewhere tells me some of you are chatting absolute BS.
Perhaps this forum is of more use to you: http://forum.ea.com/uk/forums/show/50.page;jsessionid=960C3B660CF 66F3454E50B4E734DCB54
Please let the door hit you and knock you over on the way out!
:jack:
can someone help me with the pc controls? i know (as if it were ps3 controls) x is x, d is circle, a is square, w is triangle, e is r1, q is L1 and Esc is start.
Can someone name all the rest?
Makavelian
24-08-2011, 00:29
Yep the pc version the video i uploaded and i think Alola's was too.I've not played fifa properly all year round since 98.But be my guest bury your head in the sand ,you will get a shock when you finally play it.We have posted evidence to back up our claims ,if you choose to ignore that then fine.You will get a shock tomorrow when you finally get the demo.If anything i get called a pes fanboy on this forum most of the time.So don't come at me with fifa bs.The code is awfull end off story.
mahanddeem
24-08-2011, 00:43
played demo on PC
AI is very smart
Movment is stupid and floaty
Graphics is better
Cesc Fabregas
24-08-2011, 00:44
How did you guys get the demo? I've searched on every country's PSN store and couldn't find it.
How did you guys get the demo? I've searched on every country's PSN store and couldn't find it.
Hey, its out for pc, tomorrow it will be out for ps3 or xbox360 :)
Are you all playing the PC version?
Because to be fair the PC version wasn't shown or playable at the games conventions (E3 and gamescom) only the console version was available to play/try. Nothing but positive news has come from the people that have played at the conventions or those lucky enough to have an early code.
I'm very skeptical about some of the shit coming out of peoples mouths here. It might just be preference and it does not tickle your fancy, or it might just be that you play more SHITFA than Pro Evo.
I'll wait till in the morning and download the demo for Xbox and find out for myself.
Something, somewhere tells me some of you are chatting absolute BS.
Perhaps this forum is of more use to you: http://forum.ea.com/uk/forums/show/50.page;jsessionid=960C3B660CF 66F3454E50B4E734DCB54
Please let the door hit you and knock you over on the way out!
:jack:
You're obviously a fanboy who can't handle to hear negative things about PES. This sad behavior is kinda common when your life is based on defending it.
Just look at your so called "excuse" and how you keep telling us that our impressions is BS, when we are the ones how have PLAYED the game and you HAVEN'T.
Now fuck off, cunt.
Cesc Fabregas
24-08-2011, 01:03
Alolo, that last line was unnecessary...
Makavelian
24-08-2011, 01:07
Are you all playing the PC version?
Because to be fair the PC version wasn't shown or playable at the games conventions (E3 and gamescom) only the console version was available to play/try. Nothing but positive news has come from the people that have played at the conventions or those lucky enough to have an early code.
I'm very skeptical about some of the shit coming out of peoples mouths here. It might just be preference and it does not tickle your fancy, or it might just be that you play more SHITFA than Pro Evo.
I'll wait till in the morning and download the demo for Xbox and find out for myself.
Something, somewhere tells me some of you are chatting absolute BS.
Perhaps this forum is of more use to you: http://forum.ea.com/uk/forums/show/50.page;jsessionid=960C3B660CF 66F3454E50B4E734DCB54
Please let the door hit you and knock you over on the way out!
:jack:
Ill judge tomorrow. Is it possible to adjust gamespeed in demo?
Over at PESfan.com all impressions were positive. But i dont hope this will be an arcade game. However bear in mind that real demo comes out in 3 weeks evnethough it sound stupid to release 2 demos in one month.
Really? I think it's got all the signs of the best PES ever.... It's not arcade like at all, the AI is improved beyond believe and the challenged game play is remarkable. yes the shooting needs a little re-working but that's to be expected from an 80% done game. The whole feel is great if not fantastic and not only is it fun but it is truly addicting to play aswell!
If it feels to fast put the speed down, and change your assisted settings. Also the off the ball controlling is difficult at first but now I use it all the time, PES is back.
So you don`t like the ( DEMO ) well , you can get rid of it and go get your FIFA animation feast .
I wonder what game are you talking about ? PES 2012 DEMO ? are you sure ?
because i have played it , you can dribble , 360 degree is there , you can fake shot any defender , the problem is about you , not the game , when ( so many ) fans like the game and you say that you don`t , so there is something wrong happened to you while playing let`s say such as ROBINHO has passed your poor defenders one by another ? or might be the naughty Ibra had a chip shot your goalie and scored a nice goal after passing him easily ? maybe he is the bad boy naymar , i know he could passed all your defenders and had a penalty then scored a wonderful goal ? or it`s all about that you are not a real football player though . chill out and go get your Other game , enjoy it but i won`t .
ooooookaaaaaaayyyyyy......sum1 wants fifa ?
but anyway,pes 12 looks sick so far,can't wait to try the demo.
It's getting really good reviews and I should say it's the PES shaping up to be the best in the series.
Very good!
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Alolo, that last line was unnecessary...
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Okay. Mom!
BigstickRic
24-08-2011, 01:18
I'm going to take all these mixed reviews as a positive. If everyone thought the game was shit or everyone thought it was great i'd be suspicious...
I gotta say though most of the opinions i've read on this site and other sites have been pretty upbeat.
Anyone know what time the demo will hit the 360 dashboard??
Dragonfly
24-08-2011, 01:19
A question for those that like the demo. Did you also like PES 2011?
I'm going to take all these mixed reviews as a positive. If everyone thought the game was shit or everyone thought it was great i'd be suspicious...
I gotta say though most of the opinions i've read on this site and other sites have been pretty upbeat.
Anyone know what time the demo will hit the 360 dashboard??
Listen. I hated the PES 2011 demo, but this game is atleast playable.
It's the unresponsive, awkward and somehow hard to control movements/dribbling and the awful passing which is the problem of this demo.
Makavelian
24-08-2011, 01:26
Most people here who like pes 2012 ,haven't even played it.
Most people here who like pes 2012 ,haven't even played it.
Exactly.
BigstickRic
24-08-2011, 01:32
Listen. I hated the PES 2011 demo, but this game is atleast playable.
It's the unresponsive, awkward and somehow hard to control movements/dribbling and the awful passing which is the problem of this demo.
its like your describing the player movement in pes 2011!!???
It honestly doesn't look like it judging by the videos, no offence
its like your describing the player movement in pes 2011!!???
It honestly doesn't look like it judging by the videos, no offence
I can understand that.
I will upload the vid tomorrow and show you what i mean. :)
BigstickRic
24-08-2011, 01:40
I can understand that.
I will upload the vid tomorrow and show you what i mean. :)
Hopefully by then I'll have played it and will have made up my own mind... ;)
James_dean
24-08-2011, 01:49
I´v been playing the demo for two evenings now and I can proudly say that Pes is back!
A fantastic demo! Much better than 2011. Shooting needs improvement and it has some bugs but for a beta demo I´m hopefull.
To the first poster: WTF?
sportyfox
24-08-2011, 02:02
i´v been playing the demo for two evenings now and i can proudly say that pes is back!
A fantastic demo! Much better than 2011. Shooting needs improvement and it has some bugs but for a beta demo i´m hopefull.
To the first poster: Wtf?
+1
coolio_jack
24-08-2011, 02:37
Well, my impression is that it feels more like ice hockey then football.
Players move like they have rockets in their asses, and ball just sticks to players legs like its glued, recieving the ball shouldnt be that easy.
The ball just shouldnt be flying around that fast , come on, i cant see how anyone finds that realistic.
Overall, pes 2011 is a class above so far, hope for a better final version.
Kill that noise child.
I'm fucking devastated with this shit what they've served up.
uploading a video soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It will open your eyes to the abortion that is this pes 2012 code what we are all going to have the misfortune to play.
aye,why yuh don't cool yuh blasted piggy,eh ? anyway i'm a lover not an asshole.now gonna check out the vid you posted,so hold yuh comment/reply until i look at it.will check back in a few
okay so i looked at the vid and can't comment cause i'm jus looking not playing,so i'll download it and let the forum know if i feel the same as you.but it looking sweet.
to me from looking at those videos, it looks better than PES 11. If you think the passing is easy then why don't you play on manual ball control? such as passing or shooting on manual not CPU assisted?
the game looks realistic but i don't know how realistic the gameplay is? i'm going to download the PC version tomorrow and play in the evening.
TechGuyatNY
24-08-2011, 03:54
Most people here who like pes 2012 ,haven't even played it.
i played it. i liked it. sod off
mahanddeem
24-08-2011, 04:40
I can understand that.
I will upload the vid tomorrow and show you what i mean. :)
with respect , please remove that stupid sig...it makes browsing this topic real slow.
Marcus Wright
24-08-2011, 04:58
Two questions guys.
What do you mean when you say AI is better? Do you mean AI as when you play against computer or how your own players move?
Also, what does the catch up bag mean which is supposed to be fixed?
Thanks.
Some people can't handle the fact that some people like this demo and vice versa. Seriously everyone is entitled to his opinion.
But, you don't have to fill the forum with negatives only. They need feedback not just slating.
I still like the demo and some people just can't defend from the looks of it. DO NOT DEFEND LIKE IN FIFA (not trying to looks smart, just saying). Jockey with the R2+X, apply AI pressure with the square. Close the spaces with the jockeying defender, and tackle with your defender as soon as the AI player makes the move, because they'll be easy targets.
I however agree that the close control needs to be toned a bit down. Not by much though. I think that it's because the defending is harder (no catch up bug) so we have to master it first.
StringerBell
24-08-2011, 05:32
Most people here who like pes 2012 ,haven't even played it.
Well technically speaking neither have you and when I play the demo later on today its still not the finished product. The 2nd demo is the game breaker.
A question for those that like the demo. Did you also like PES 2011?
ROTFL!
That is a great way to filter out them out ...hahahhahahahaha
You are so funny....
:jongcrymore:
mahanddeem
24-08-2011, 07:15
To say the truth about this demo ...
Although it is a beta demo , one can say it's not 100% a complete game and that's true but we can , at least mentally , compensate for that so if we assume it's 70-75% of the final game , I would be worried that the final game would not be as solid as when PES2011 came out ... After around 5-6 games with the new demo today I played PES2011 and it is much more well built than this demo...The ball physics are awsome and the players' movment are much more solid...I was happy with the early reviews and expectations , now I'm not sure....
Although the game looks promising this year, it is not hard to realize that the animations have not changed by much over the last 4 years.
Dribbling still needs fixing where the ball seems to magnetized to the players foot and path of dribbling.
here is a vid of 2010 that resembles 2012 gameplay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXm1ub7VDhg
here is a vid of 2009 that also resembles 2012 gameplay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul_aHLoGlhQ
I'm not too impressed with the demo either. The player movements seem awkward and inorganic. Some of the animations still are no where near on par with fifa (e.g. goalkeepers, etc.) which affects the robotic feel of the players and smoothness of gameplay. Maybe its just me, but I also don't feel 360 degree dribbling. It seems like some degrees of freedom are cut out. The 360 degree passing is nice, but fifa's manual system provides the same thing. Most of my gripes I had with PES 11, too.
I really like the off-the-ball control on set pieces and the new A.I. They introduce new elements of strategy to the game.
I know a lot of people say the animations in fifa are superficial, but I really think they contribute to the realism and dynamism of gameplay. As usual, however, I will wait for both the final FIFA 12 and PES 12 demos to come out before making a final verdict.
To be fair or at least objective, no footy video game has ever offered "360 degree dribbling" to date. The fact of the matter is very simple, if directing the left analog stick without the assistance of the sprint button is enough to move your player through space, you simply cannot have "360 degree dribbling" due to obvious reasons.
Therefore, yes, as always, the freedom is cut out, you only get a couple of generic directions but you do not get anywhere near "360 degree dribbling". It's not only a PES thing, FIFA is the same exact case but with "smoother" animations.
To be honest, I was looking forwards to the new off the ball movement feature, but the demo videos have reminded me why PES11 is accumulating dust somewhere on the house.... it's just not enough anymore, the cracks are more noticeable with each passing year regardless of Konami's best efforts; the old fundamental flaws, the nonexistence of movement within the space, scripted gameplay, remain the same as ever.
Just can't get excited about the video game when the videos show quite clearly, that it isn't worth $50 bucks, considering it clearly is a very expensive PES11.5 patch.
I would be excited by a footy sim where you can actually direct the pass without the necessity of simultaneously directing your movement as well. The fact that with PES and FIFA directing movement and directing passing is determined by directing the left analog stick without the assistance of any other button, just tells you how SCRIPTED the video game needs to be.
To be honest, again, I'm just fucking bored of the same old pre heated SCRIPTED arcade shit. I really hope a third party comes out from the middle of nowhere and exposes just how outdated PES and FIFA are; it's gotten to the point where we have these powerful consoles such as the PS3 yet the most that Konami can do is improve the AI.
The fans do not even consider FUNDAMENTAL improvements as something realistic, because Konami can only offer yearly tweaks at $50 dollars a pop; the fans have accepted the fact that Konami just wants to make money by making easy updates on a yearly basis, with PES11 Konami introduced a shit passing system that offers absolutely nothing truly revolutionary, with PES12 Konami improved the AI although it is not exactly difficult to improve on retarded AI, etc, etc.
It's just boring at this point, it's fucking year 2012 and all we have seen so far is a stupid and pretentious passing system and improved AI, yet the core of the game remains a PS2 era arcade game.
Well, my impression is that it feels more like ice hockey then football.
Players move like they have rockets in their asses, and ball just sticks to players legs like its glued, recieving the ball shouldnt be that easy.
The ball just shouldnt be flying around that fast , come on, i cant see how anyone finds that realistic.
Overall, pes 2011 is a class above so far, hope for a better final version.
That's gotta be the best comment that I've read in a very long time.... Some rep is deserved!
Although the game looks promising this year, it is not hard to realize that the animations have not changed by much over the last 4 years.
Dribbling still needs fixing where the ball seems to magnetized to the players foot and path of dribbling.
here is a vid of 2010 that resembles 2012 gameplay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXm1ub7VDhg
here is a vid of 2009 that also resembles 2012 gameplay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul_aHLoGlhQ
The animations are not good. That's true, But at least this year, pes gets better animation linking and the transitions between 2 animations is finally smooth.
The close control is abit too good. Yes I admit that.
But some people just can't defend in pes 12. That's for sure.
You can't pressure like crazy and since there's no catch up bug, it is even harder to pressure like a maniac.
So you have to use the AI pressure wisely, and use the jockey systems to close down the CPU's spaces. Time the tackles too.
I am no expert at defending yet, but I am getting better game after game.
Oh and to master this game, I had to play it at regular, just to learn the tricks and the defending. When I feel that my defending and attacking have improved, I'll go on another level.
Reminded me of pes 6 tbh. People are forgetting that pes 6 had that close control and those perfectly timed tackles that pes 12 has.
Overall I am begining to like the demo more and more I think. So any of you finding it difficult, play on regular, learn the defending options and attacking one too, then play it on another level.
It does work. :)
BTW, THIS DEMO FEEL VERY UNFINISHED. I hope the 2nd demo feels better.
1 more thing. DO NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE AI cheating. I will complain myself probably too, BUT, an AI can never outsmart a human because humans program them, so we can outsmart them. The only way that the AI can beat you is to cheat. It's a matter of how well they hide it. ;)
brunosebalo
24-08-2011, 08:53
Dribbling is way to responsive, I played Porto x Napoli and Lavezzi was some kind of Adriano from 06 mixed with Arshavin in 2011 game, so unreal, the speed merchant card is way to powerful, Konami should at least create a new card like super defender or something like that to compensate.
the referees are like they should be,so far every tackle from behind or that did not hit the ball was a yellow or red card.
the movement off the ball on the attack has really improved, the defenders will also track back the attack player running and try to follow it, still sometimes I felt like the defender should have closed down more quickly since the attack player was standing in front of the box, but, hey, it also happens on real life football.
Teammate control seems good, I have to work on it though, and the skills challenge is a lot of fun ,been playing more than the actual game lol
Catch up bug is gone, those endless motions when you are knock out off the ball are also gone, matter fact I found really hard to knock the A.I(Lavezzi) off the ball.
I know is just the first demo, but IMHO from the attack perspective, it feels just like fifa, I could do some crazy things with robinho+close control, I know it happens on real life football, but is just annoying to be able to pull it off everytime I have possesion of the ball.
Overall there is improvement from 2011 but in some areas konami did it too much, specially the dribbling IMHO.
Waiting for the next demo.
The animations are not good. That's true, But at least this year, pes gets better animation linking and the transitions between 2 animations is finally smooth.
The close control is abit too good. Yes I admit that.
But some people just can't defend in pes 12. That's for sure.
You can't pressure like crazy and since there's no catch up bug, it is even harder to pressure like a maniac.
So you have to use the AI pressure wisely, and use the jockey systems to close down the CPU's spaces. Time the tackles too.
I am no expert at defending yet, but I am getting better game after game.
Oh and to master this game, I had to play it at regular, just to learn the tricks and the defending. When I feel that my defending and attacking have improved, I'll go on another level.
Reminded me of pes 6 tbh. People are forgetting that pes 6 had that close control and those perfectly timed tackles that pes 12 has.
Overall I am begining to like the demo more and more I think. So any of you finding it difficult, play on regular, learn the defending options and attacking one too, then play it on another level.
It does work. :)
BTW, THIS DEMO FEEL VERY UNFINISHED. I hope the 2nd demo feels better.
1 more thing. DO NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE AI cheating. I will complain myself probably too, BUT, an AI can never outsmart a human because humans program them, so we can outsmart them. The only way that the AI can beat you is to cheat. It's a matter of how well they hide it. ;)
The problem is that from afar I have already identified PES12 as a remake of PES6, the problem is, at least in my case, that a remake of PES6 just isn't nearly good enough anymore. I think we should have seen PES12 two years ago.
As for AI CHEATING.... I disagree with you, try playing a CHESS computer game against the computer on the most difficult level, I guarantee you that if you are not an excellent Chess player you could easily be outwitted by a computer, yet the computer CANNOT actually cheat.
The fact that with PES and FIFA, the computer can only outsmart you by cheating you, is evidence of the fact that PES and FIFA are incredibly outdated. Surely, if the system was more up to date, the computer would not need to cheat in order to outsmart you. The PES and FIFA system is dumb and outdated, as simple as that.
the movement off the ball on the attack has really improved, the defenders will also track back the attack player running and try to follow it, still sometimes I felt like the defender should have closed down more quickly since the attack player was standing in front of the box, but, hey, it also happens on real life football.
Yeah it also happens in real life football, but since PES is supposed to be or at least pretends to be a video game, the gamer should really have control over defensive mistakes.
For example, if pressing the shooting button before the opponent has his first touch after a pass was made, is the factor that will determine if the defender closed down more quickly or if the defender did not closed down quickly enough; that would be cool, because it means that whenever the defender makes a mistake, it's because as a gamer you made a mistake.
Though that's not the case with PES and FIFA, the case with PES and FIFA is that the computer decides everything that concerns tactical play for you; it's a hockey game on a bigger pitch, zero tactics, end to end nonsense.
As for AI CHEATING.... I disagree with you, try playing a CHESS computer game against the computer on the most difficult level, I guarantee you that if you are not an excellent Chess player you could easily be outwitted by a computer, yet the computer CANNOT actually cheat
A chess is a 100% mind game with a set of rules to follow. So it's easy to make the AI floow them and always make the best move ahead.
A football game works nothing like that. A football game is more diverse sicne you have more teams, more players, more individuality, formations, substitutions, etc.. But that's not the point. The point it that the AI is programmed by a human, so we can always outsmart the AI in games (not these mind games because as I said, those work with a set of rules so the AI can easily choose the best move to pull off everytime it's his turn).
I know it can cheat less in football games though, but we will never get that AI where it never cheats in football games. WHY? Because it's programed by humans themselves, so we can always outthink them.
I agree however that pes and fifa follow an old formula. Thing is, that they both haven't perfected it yet, so they cannot move on.
The games need more user input.
A chess is a 100% mind game with a set of rules to follow. So it's easy to make the AI floow them and always make the best move ahead.
A football game works nothing like that. A football game is more diverse sicne you have more teams, more players, more individuality, formations, substitutions, etc.. But that's not the point. The point it that the AI is programmed by a human, so we can always outsmart the AI in games (not these mind games because as I said, those work with a set of rules so the AI can easily choose the best move to pull off everytime it's his turn).
I know it can cheat less in football games though, but we will never get that AI where it never cheats in football games. WHY? Because it's programed by humans themselves, so we can always outthink them.
I agree however that pes and fifa follow an old formula. Thing is, that they both haven't perfected it yet, so they cannot move on.
The games need more user input.
PES could and in my opinion should be divided into two completely different games: the mind game and the technical game.
The mind game would determine the amount of space that the attacker would have by the time he has his first touch on the ball; the technical game would obviously determine dribbling and man marking when the defender gets close enough to the ball carrier, etc.
The fact is whether you can accept it or not, that with the correct system the computer could be intelligent enough to choose instead of cheat: press the short passing button, the through pass button, the shooting button, before the opponent has his first touch on the ball after each pass is made.
The mentioned controls, would be the equivalent of three different decisions that the computer or gamer can choose per pass, three different decisions that can only be used ONCE at a time (similar to Chess), therefore making it possible for a more difficult computer to make the right decisions, as opposed to an easy computer making the wrong decisions.
PES and FIFA do not offer that level of substance, it's not about making the correct choice, PES and FIFA offer you THREE different choices at the same time, therefore effectively breaking the whole game because the gamer has no control over the defensive/tactical end of the game.
I'm talking about the gamer choosing ONE option out of three when not in possession of the ball; if the gamer makes the correct choices at the right time, the gamer closes in on the ball carrier and makes it more difficult for the ball carrier.
Therefore, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to cheat, because mistakes would be triggered by decisions made by the gamer as opposed to decisions made by the computer.
To further clarify, I am not talking about directing the left analog stick towards the position that the ball carrier occupies, I am talking about something more substantial that would actually require at least some degree of critical thought, as opposed to just reacting without thinking by simply directing the left analog stick towards the position that the ball carrier occupies.
To date, the tactical game is just complete and utter nonsense, making the game scripted; getting close to the ball carrier does not require any type of critical thought, because the tactical game is completely scripted, the gamer merely reacts in accordance to the script by simply directing the left analog stick towards the position that the ball carrier occupies.
Which is why your use of the term "football game" is completely irrelevant to me, I do not consider PES a "football game", I consider PES a basketball game on a football pitch precisely because of how it functions. As far as I'm concerned, PES is closer to being a hockey simulation than it is to being a football simulation.
Furthermore, I disagree with you again, I think Konami has perfected the old formula: PES5 and PES6.
What happens when you continue perfecting a formula that can no longer be perfected? Your empire starts falling apart piece by piece: PES08, PES09, PES10, etc, etc.
Therefore, I think Konami and indeed EA Sports (FIFA09) have already perfected the old formula that they continue milking. It's just that it is much more convenient for them to just continue adding irrelevant gimmicks that create the illusion of progress or perfection, when in fact they are just going around in circles, because it's much more profitable to never reach a conclusion.
To be honest, I do not consider the discussed argument debatable, I think it is indeed a FACT that Konami and EA Sports have already perfected the old formula, they simply have not moved on because not moving on makes a lot more money for them.
In any case, at least we agree on the general point: the game needs more user input. I'm just giving my two cents as to how more user input could and should be achieved.
sebbisor
24-08-2011, 10:06
oh boy, konami what have you done?
I am terribly dissapointed with the demo. You took the soul and passion that made pes unique and turned it into an arcadey game. The passes are now worse than pes 2011 with the ball floatey and hardly reaching the players, then it trickles past the keeper in slow motion and into the back of the net 30 yds away from goal, the player turn and move defying laws of physics, all in all it looks like a bad copy of fifa 05, which I played when I was a kid. And the nets, if the nets in real life are like these then I'm blind. It all looks like when fifa incorporated their 3d game in Fifa Manager, take a look at that and see if I'm right.
What hapened? You were heading in the right direction Konami with the game last year. the passes were fine, yes the AI needed improvement and the shooting some tweaking here and there, but instead you changed gear and headed into the past. i don't know if you try to please pes fans with a pes 6 feel buty I'm afarid those times are gone, need to move on.
All pes needed last year was just improvements on the part of AI (defending) team mate AI, improve the nets, the shooting and the the off-pitch atmosphere (Master league- with live feeds from other games, transfers, managers - for me anyway) and other modes.
I used to be a fifa fan until 2008 when Fifa pissed on the pc version and regurgited some old shit, and then, discovered the beauty of pes (a game which has or had soul)don't turn into fifa, konami, seabass.
Ali_BWFC
24-08-2011, 10:12
Hmmmm. Some very mixed views so far. The views from Mak worry me the most, because he gives me the impression that he really likes PES 2011, but now he hates the demo?? Not good, but I'll reserve judgement until I play it, and then reserve further judgement until the next demo.
The fact is whether you can accept it or not, that with the correct system the computer could be intelligent enough to choose instead of cheat: press the short passing button, the through pass button, the shooting button, before the opponent has his first touch on the ball.
Yeah so what? After some time we still get used to his tricks and we can outplay the AI before he even tries to trick us. Thing is, that I ALREADY ADMITTED THAT IT CAN CHEAT LESS. But no football game will exist that will feature an AI that can outsmart humans in every way. Why? Because it was humans who gave the AI it's intelligence, so there's only so much it can do. In the end, we can still do better no matter what.
I just played the demo from the Japanese PSN. I have never owned any PES since 08.. and it's safe to say that I won't be buying this year's version as well. Very much disappointed. Someone summed it up right.. This is PES 11.5
Ali_BWFC
24-08-2011, 10:18
How big is the demo, btw?
sydney2008
24-08-2011, 11:00
how big is the demo, btw?
1.2 gb
sydney2008
24-08-2011, 11:01
how big is the demo, btw?
1.2 gb
Yeah so what? After some time we still get used to his tricks and we can outplay the AI before he even tries to trick us. Thing is, that I ALREADY ADMITTED THAT IT CAN CHEAT LESS. But no football game will exist that will feature an AI that can outsmart humans in every way. Why? Because it was humans who gave the AI it's intelligence, so there's only so much it can do. In the end, we can still do better no matter what.
Now that's just a very DUMB argument. After some time we still get used to his tricks and we can outplay the AI before he even tries to trick us??
No, that would be impossible. A smart computer would outsmart you very easily, it would be as simple as the computer (with the ball) using Play A and you pressing the wrong button; how would you know exactly what the computer would do with the ball? Out of three different decisions, how would the computer be dumb enough to make the obvious one? Impossible. You are thinking about PES and FIFA, which completely fucks up your credibility.
More importantly, even if the gamer eventually found the way to predict the computer 100% of the time; the human vs human experience would not be limited nor spoiled by the limitations of the computer.
The fact is whether you can accept it or not, that human vs human play does not necessarily needs to be spoiled by the limitations of the computer. Are Chess computer games spoiled by the limitations of the computer when you play online against a human? No. Is PES spoiled by the limitations of the computer when you play online against a human? Yes.
Mortal Kombat, yes the computer is easily predictable regardless of the fact that the video game is not scripted; yet when playing human vs human, the limitations of the computer do not spoil the game for us humans.
At the end of the day, I do not want to experience the limitations of the computer when playing against a human. That's the problem with PES and FIFA, it limits the human vs human experience with the limitations of the computer.
Even if the gamer eventually found the way to predict the computer 100% of the time; you would still need to win the ball, as tactical play would only determine how you close down the ball carrier, it would not actually determine the outcome of the one on one confrontation.
The fact is, cheating is dumb, and outsmarting a cheating computer is easy as well as boring. The fact that the computer actually needs to cheat in order to be a little competitive indicates just how dumb the video game actually is. The fact is your argument is extremely dumb, because even if the computer can never actually outsmart its creator, the computer can be exponentially more intelligent; so a rather moot point to describe progress as something irrelevant.
If you cannot comprehend or at least accept that one system is far superior to the other, then there's no point reasoning with such an unreasonable person. I couldn't give a fuck about the computer cheating less, I'm talking about the computer not cheating, period, a fairly simple argument.
wallpaper_01
24-08-2011, 11:20
Wow from some of the videos posted up I think it looks really good! Almost looks real the way they are playing! Cant wait to play this!
Encounter
24-08-2011, 12:02
first impression I like it . after 1000 hours of fifa 11 this is something fresh
Amateur. I was talking about Human vs COMPUTER not when the AI interfeers in your match because that's unacceptable.
the human vs human experience would not be limited nor spoiled by the limitations of the computer.
Yes, I never argued against this. I agree 100%.
MY POINT is that humans made this AI, so it's obvious we will be better than they are. Jeez feels like Terminator here.
But I was only referring to when humans play vs CPU. Not when the CPU limits us.
But enough of this.
After some more time with the demo I think that the close control is too close. It needs to be toned down and make the defenders tackle A BIT better. But only a BIT. Just to limit the amounts of runs that's all.
YES THIS DEMO HAS ISSUES I DO NOT LIKE. But there are issues which I truly like. The AI being that great? I still have to see, but it looks like it so far. The AI is pretty good compared to pes 11 that's for sure.
Maybe with the added response time and the much smarter AI (that won't run like mindless chickens. They can stop the ball and try to out dribble you) BAL will finally be GREAT. I hope so.
MysteryMan
24-08-2011, 13:18
shaun has some nice points, this 2012 demo obviously has some interesting things and looks promising, but there are alot of issues that absolutely need to be fixed or the game will be shit.
I will name them again
1.Goalkeepers are very bad and make horrible mistakes
2.Shooting is improved but still floaty sometimes and overall the ball travels too slow when shot ( +1 Speed is the most realistic in terms of ball speed but then the movement of players is way unrealistic and im not even talking about speed merchant people, movement of players is most realistic on -1 I feel )
3.Passing needs some improvements still, even when set on fully manual I feel its quite assisted
4.Close control as shaun said is way too good, Vidic running with R1 controling the ball like Messi when he runs almost
5.Speed of players is WEIRD, when holding R1 it seems like they dont run full speed they seem to fast jog, when tapping the push the ball forward but I dont notice much change in speed either and it seems the players dont accelerate at all, once they do a move and start running they run as they do without change of speed
6.Shot fake is pretty good but you can only do it in 3 directions, why not 8 at least?
7.Again regarding speed I just don't notice any difference between Nani or Ferdinand... it seems they all run at the same speed more or less, a difference from 90 to 80 top speed should be SUBSTANTIAL and NOTICABLE.
8.Speed merchant is even more unrealistic as last year now that they increased the pace of animations, its completely RIDICILOUS, try lavezzi even on 0 Speed and use R1 and change directions , he runs and changes direction 2 times as fast as messi does in real life if not more, its laughable really.
9.Im having a hard time understanding why KONAMI removed shot technique, acceleration and aggresion.
We were talking how KONAMI needs to add more new stats so that they can replicate players and how good they are, but they go on and remove 3 stats completely and add 1 lol what the hell, and acceleration is like one of the most important stats for say people like Messi to beat defenders.
10.Players feet go through the ball very often during animations and stuff like that but im sure it will be fixed in the final code.
These issues need to be fixed and addressed and then PES 2012 will be a pretty good game, much better than 2011.
Sure they could add ALOT of other things aswell but overall if they fix all of this it looks pretty good and much better than 2011.
Ali_BWFC
24-08-2011, 13:33
9.Im having a hard time understanding why KONAMI removed shot technique, acceleration and aggresion.
We were talking how KONAMI needs to add more new stats so that they can replicate players and how good they are, but they go on and remove 3 stats completely and add 1 lol what the hell, and acceleration is like one of the most important stats for say people like Messi to beat defenders.
They removed acceleration? That's no good! Every football game you see now has an acceleration attribute. Shot technique is a hard one to notice.
What attribute have they added?
I agree with most of the issues mystreyman wrote. Now that's good balance.
Most of the isseus come from the fact that the player's close control is a bit too good. It needs to be toned down.
I also agree about the pace. It does feel a bit weired. Yes, fast players need to be faster and slo players need to be slower. It needs more individuality in the speed department if it makes sense.
These 2 issues are a bit high in demand, so what can we do to make Konami listen to them?
I hope they do, because toning the close control, and making the speed more evident will solve 90% of the problems in this demo.
Not saying that this demo is bad, because for all it's negatives, I still enjoy playing it because you can create some really realistic goals. :)
so is this version still all about wing play and cut backs
PR3CiSiON
24-08-2011, 13:51
They removed acceleration? That's no good! Every football game you see now has an acceleration attribute. Shot technique is a hard one to notice.
What attribute have they added?
They have added a ball control attribute mate, decent attribute if you ask me. Could seperate a good player from an excellent one. :w00t
Really good I think. You can have some very advanced play-style. If you liked 11 I cant see why you wouldnt like this. A step up imo.
IronCity
24-08-2011, 15:06
They removed acceleration? That's no good! Every football game you see now has an acceleration attribute. Shot technique is a hard one to notice.
What attribute have they added?
What is even scarier is that mm mentions no accleration attributes and players don't seem to accelerate when running. That is some serious stuff.
Marcus Wright
24-08-2011, 15:07
Can anyone please explain what catch up bug is that has been improved?
Thanks.
Makavelian
24-08-2011, 15:13
Slow players could catch up to any players in 2011.
i'm confused! i have been told that you can set ball controls to manual instead of assisted, like passing, shooting all done manually but i can't find the settings for it in this demo! if you played FIFA11 then you would know what i'm talking about.
forgot to say i have the PC version.
Marcus Wright
24-08-2011, 15:20
Slow players could catch up to any players in 2011.
Like defence players catching offence players or off the ball running as well all around?
milly_willy
24-08-2011, 15:26
Loving it. I'm only playing the winning eleven demo as i am waiting for the the psn store to update, and as it's all in japanese i can't really figure out all the controls and stuff but that doesn't matter as the gameplay is amazing. If this is only a crap build then i cannot wait to see what the full game is like.
sydney2008
24-08-2011, 16:45
For those not finding sprinting with fast players satisfying try this way:
http://www.evo-web.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=64559
You just have to press R1+R2 when sprinting, to burst
( COPIED FROM KITANAMEDIA.COM )
ADVICE : USE 4:3 resolution screen , not 16:9 , for a better Gameplay and a fast pace .
MysteryMan
24-08-2011, 17:03
For those not finding sprinting with fast players satisfying try this way:
http://www.evo-web.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=64559
You just have to press R1+R2 when sprinting, to burst
( COPIED FROM KITANAMEDIA.COM )
ADVICE : USE 4:3 resolution screen , not 16:9 , for a better Gameplay and a fast pace .
Honestly thats retarded since you can only do that when an opponent is in front of you, that means once you beat him ur down to the regular R1 run again, when someone beats a defender hes going to sprint full speed towards the goal, so thats quite stupid imo.
Better would be to add this burst thing to use whenever u want, but u can only use it for a short amount of time ( like in real life u cant run top speed for that long, then it needs time to regenerate again ).
i'm confused! i have been told that you can set ball controls to manual instead of assisted, like passing, shooting all done manually but i can't find the settings for it in this demo! if you played FIFA11 then you would know what i'm talking about.
forgot to say i have the PC version.
ok, found out were, it's in the controller settings but i don't know if setting pass *the only option in controller settings to adjust ball control* to none will have effect on shooting? this is a major issue to me because i play real soccer and wouldn't settle for CPU assisted passing, shooting, etc... oh, hope will change in the final version.
QuefDetective
24-08-2011, 17:35
Lol sounds like another shitter from Konami. O'well, roll on Fifa 12....
wesmouton
24-08-2011, 18:30
I played the game now a couple of games on my ps3.
These are my first impressions
Played about 10 matches on top player. What strikes me immediately is the difficulty . The game is faster en more difficult. I love the graphics and the way of playing football. What i dont like is the long balls and crosses who stays in the air to long (they go to slow , more like the effect of a balloon). But i hope they can fix this in full version. The second thing i dont like are the keepers , my o my not good really not good. THe most pussy shot is dropped or tapped away by the keeper so plenty of work there konami. But for therest a great game much better then PES2011.
that was it ps sorry for my bad englhish you guys :)
I'm downloading the demo now, I think I will play as many games as I can today and tomorrow on superstar if its available in the demo and tell everyone what I think. Hopefully I won't be disappointed.
wesmouton
24-08-2011, 18:37
superstar is not available athlon and dont be disappointed because its not the official game yet. Its a kind of preview code for the fans to decide what could improve. Eat that ea sports fifa wankers
Makavelian
24-08-2011, 18:41
Eat that ea sports fifa wankers
Grow up man, ffs.
Like defence players catching offence players or off the ball running as well all around?
Yes.Example John Terry catching up to messi.
After playing about 5 games, one on regular, three on proffesional and one on top player, i think this game is a BIG improvement, however some things are just so annoying:
* GKs still arent up to scratch but are better
* Dribbling seems a tad too easy, most players seem to have good dribbling as if the ball is glued to their feet at times
* Passing is too assisted, i have put it to as manual as possible and the ball always goes near enough straight to feet with hardly any stray passing even when going quite a bit off
* Cant really see much difference between top player and proffessional, i can see players have more flair on top player and are a bit more dangerous, but the defending seems to give you more space and drop off a lot more than proffesional which i do concede can make scoring more difficult but it can make it easier if you can knock it around in their half 35 yards from goal
* However i have noticed the jump from regular to proffesional to be big, at half time i was winning 3-0 but on proffesional i am yet to win, with a 1-1 draw, 2-2 draw and 3-2 loss
TRUEBLUEs 44
24-08-2011, 18:57
i wait until mid september for pes 12 demo on xbox 360
However i have noticed the jump from regular to proffesional to be big, at half time i was winning 3-0 but on proffesional i am yet to win, with a 1-1 draw, 2-2 draw and 3-2 loss
Agreed. Unfortunately that's the way pes' difficulty always was. I remember pes 5. From 3 to 4. It was a huge jump in difficulty, but from 4 to 5, it's wasn't that big.
Anyway I won on professional 2-0 with Man UTD against Napoli. 2 super goals by Berbatov.
IronCity
24-08-2011, 20:09
What about off-the ball control - I have only read one quick comment about it - how is that working? Is it in the demo?
Off the ball is in the demo. It's much harder than you think.
I didn't really like the assisted runs though. I prefer manual runs as I can make the player come closer to me, not go into spaces all the time.
And it worked. I just scored a great goal with BERBATOV. I ran into the open space with Rafael, faked a cross, and manually controlled Berbatov to come close to me, I passed the ball to him, he turned and curled it top corner. Man it was great. :) This was my first successful manual control goal.
IronCity
24-08-2011, 20:30
Off the ball is in the demo. It's much harder than you think.
I didn't really like the assisted runs though. I prefer manual runs as I can make the player come closer to me, not go into spaces all the time.
And it worked. I just scored a great goal with BERBATOV. I ran into the open space with Rafael, faked a cross, and manually controlled Berbatov to come close to me, I passed the ball to him, he turned and curled it top corner. Man it was great. :) This was my first successful manual control goal.
Thanks. I expect off-the ball to be difficult to control and hard to pull off more than a few times a game. I have two eyes but if I could only focus one eye on playerA and one on playerB I would be alright.
Nemisiskidd
24-08-2011, 20:57
shooting looks a bit 2 easy, two long shots in a row perfectly found the net, along with weight overall e.g. weight of the ball and traction needs a bit more work, passing seems another learning curve again but myb not as big as 2011, but overall im pleased with pes 2012 near stunning.
Dean Richmond
24-08-2011, 21:12
All you PC gamers saying its rubbish, WTF??
it must be really bad on the PC for you to be saying that. i downloaded the PS3 demo a few hours ago, havent been off it since, brilliant.
The movement of the players and ball control are amazing, the crossing is the best yet. Only downfall is the shooting if anything, whilst it has improved, still needs slightly tweaking.
Overall i love it, and i havent had this much fun on a football game since, well i cant remember. And to think, this isnt even the finished article :0
Think this year may be the best year ever for PES. The king is back!
AC Milan are miles better than United in every department. What is this madness, Seabasstard?!
My first impression is that the game is very good. AI is super tough but not artificially tough, I actually lost my first match v Napoli as United. Seems very well made.
The game doesn't seem to be afraid to actually score this year which is good. passing is good, shooting seems good so far, getting crosses in is more difficult than 2011 which is good.
Own players are responsive, first touch is great.
The programme isn't very stable on my machine, seems to be quite glitchy but that's probably just the demo, I don't expect the game to be like this.
User interface is well put together, still using the tactics screen from 2011 which I don't like but at least its easier to use everything apart from player placement which is still too fiddly.
If they don't change things too much for the second demo, and for the release, this game will suit me fine. I only play master league really, so having a tough AI will be great when I'm trying to build up a team of originals.
Looks like I may be losing what little social life I have. Not a bad thing really.
MysteryMan
24-08-2011, 21:45
Some of you people are just blinded if you say things like one touch is great and control of players is great, I mean why would u say that? Do you even watch real soccer?
How is control and one touch great when Vidic is running with the ball and the ball is glued to his foot like he was Iniesta, its certainly not great.
Now there are many things that are improved and its certainly much better than PES 2011 but there are just facts that can't be ignored and said "oh no its great" when it isn't great.
And Response is good on 0 speed but on more its unrealistic, while speed merchant is already unrealistic on 0 speed, try it with lavezzi its insane what he does , 2 times as fast as messi in real life.
Theres lots of things that are a problem still, and you can't just turn a blind eye to them, be realistic people.
Ali_BWFC
24-08-2011, 21:52
Here's my first impressions:
Not overly impressed really.
-Why did they rename some of the attributes.... "Kick power".... "Explosiveness"? Hopefully it's just a case of being lost in translation, but they don't sound right.
-I hate the new layout of the attributes, it's trying to be too like Fifa. The old layout was perfect. Why change it after all these years?
-Some player attributes are just wrong - Falcao only 77? He's as good as this James Rodriguez fella... who's only bloody 20!
-I wish they'd change Chicharito's name to Hernandez instead of using his damn nickname.
-On the pitch, a lot of the problems I have have been mentioned. My main gripe is the way players run on to passes. It's STILL automated. They either stand still or run in a straight line, and you have no control over it.
-Passing animation is poor.
-Auto slide tackles are still there.
I'm hoping for VAST improvements by the time the next demo comes around.
sgmullins
24-08-2011, 21:58
AC Milan are miles better than United in every department. What is this madness, Seabasstard?!That made me smile.
sgmullins
24-08-2011, 22:04
After playing the pc demo and finding it quite difficult i played the ps3 demo and found it to be easier. It took me 7 games before i could score on the pc version. 2 games in on the ps3 and i had scored twice. Anyone else find this ?
Keepers are really pissing me off, the off the ball set piece i worked was fab but the header went straight to the keeper who parried it but there was his own player next to him and it hit him and went in, i mean WTF, it happens both ways but i would prefer it if it was much rarer for a spill to happen, the keeper spills it more than he catches.
My main gripe is the way players run on to passes. It's STILL automated. They either stand still or run in a straight line, and you have no control over it.
This also, it pisses me off to see the player stop to allow the ball to bounce after a lofted ball so they can knock it on with their foot rather than carrying on sprinting and chesting it forwards. HOWEVER, holding R2 gives you this control i think
Also, is anyone else finding one on ones very difficult?
JohnnieDarko
24-08-2011, 23:35
Here's my first impressions:
Not overly impressed really.
-Why did they rename some of the attributes.... "Kick power".... "Explosiveness"? Hopefully it's just a case of being lost in translation, but they don't sound right.
-I hate the new layout of the attributes, it's trying to be too like Fifa. The old layout was perfect. Why change it after all these years?
-Some player attributes are just wrong - Falcao only 77? He's as good as this James Rodriguez fella... who's only bloody 20!
-I wish they'd change Chicharito's name to Hernandez instead of using his damn nickname.
-On the pitch, a lot of the problems I have have been mentioned. My main gripe is the way players run on to passes. It's STILL automated. They either stand still or run in a straight line, and you have no control over it.
-Passing animation is poor.
-Auto slide tackles are still there.
I'm hoping for VAST improvements by the time the next demo comes around.
Auto-slide tackles can be turned off, the same way as in PES2011.
http://twitpic.com/2mqmoh
Trenchant
24-08-2011, 23:56
Anyone have any information concerning Canadian PSN store users? I have search but am still not quite sure when the PSN store updates for Canadian users.
Off the ball is in the demo. It's much harder than you think.
I didn't really like the assisted runs though. I prefer manual runs as I can make the player come closer to me, not go into spaces all the time.
And it worked. I just scored a great goal with BERBATOV. I ran into the open space with Rafael, faked a cross, and manually controlled Berbatov to come close to me, I passed the ball to him, he turned and curled it top corner. Man it was great. :) This was my first successful manual control goal.
That's the type of thing that I can do in PES10, the main difference is that doing it in PES10 is as easy as tapping the L2 button, you do not have to think about direction of movement because the direction of the movement is preset, therefore making it very easy and intuitive.
I imagine the PES11 system is much more difficult to use, due to the fact that you need to direct the right analog stick in order to determine the direction of the movement, whilst also controlling the ball carrier.
But anyways, now you know how much better it is to create your own script on the fly, it offers far more entertainment. I think the whole game could work in a similar way, in accordance to preset scripts, with the preset scripts determining the direction of the off the ball movement of each individual attacking player.
Such a preset script system would be great for the defensive end of the game, because the computer would know what the team in possession intends to do, therefore the computer would not need to make decisions for the gamer and would instead react in accordance to the decisions of the gamer.
Have you tried to start play from the back by using the off the ball movement feature? For example, using Barcelona, is it possible to hold the ball with Gerard Pique and move Xavi Hernandez towards the ball carrier?
Also, can you maintain possession by making repetitive use of backward runs with the likes of Xavi Hernandez?
Could you post videos? I would highly appreciate some videos to see how the off the ball movement feature works.
PesIceland
25-08-2011, 01:27
Well
My first impressions
Passing Awsome
Defending Awsome
Keppers Suck
Graphics Awsome
Shooting Sucks no power on them
i suck at taking corners cant get power on them , the ball floats too much
Well its only a Beta Demo , probably going to see a much better one in september
MysteryMan
25-08-2011, 01:43
Why can't you try it yourself Amateur?
Why can't you try it yourself Amateur?
Well, at the moment, I can't. But yeah, should really try it myself.
Asked my friend whose last PES was 08 how he found the demo (he'd been online for a bout 3-4 hours playing pes 2012 demo) and he said "It's not bad for once"
I think quite a few people who have been getting fifa in recent years will get this one
Haven't tried the game myself(360 user), bit concerned by reports of ultra fast response times and dumbed down dribbling, I loved how weight and momentum were implemented into the dribbling for pes 2011 and have a feeling konami might have koped out to please the fifa fans.
I have a feeling the second demo will be more in line with pes 2011 and the retail will be somewhere in between, I grew to love pes 11 and hope konami dont change too much.
Will have to wait to see for myself and I cant judge the game yet, I too would like to see some videos of the manual RS player movement options, could really open up the game.
Could someone please confirm whether manual pass with LT modifier is still in the game? I think i heard someone on evo web mention its still a pass option along side pass support settings.
the nameless
25-08-2011, 03:11
My first impressions, having played 2 and a half games, it is at least 600,000 times better than 2011. Although I had to put it on speed +1. I hate slow football games, and 0 speed is very slow, I tried +2 but that was like they were all on chrystal meth or something.
Everything seems more controlled, free kicks seem like they will fly in once I get the hang of them, shooting no longer goes into row Z all the time (although I am still getting used to how much power to apply)
Only concern at the moment is that if you (or at least I) run on a diagnal, then turn slightly, flicking R2, the player has not yet kicked the ball ahead of him like has been a feature in every pro ev I can remember.
So far though, I really like it. I don't want the final cut to be drastically different - I've never been so happy about a pro ev based on its demo.
Anyone have any information concerning Canadian PSN store users? I have search but am still not quite sure when the PSN store updates for Canadian users.
for the US players like myself…..you will have to create an account for the UK to get the PSN download. Its pretty easy though.
Get an address for a McDonald’s in London and use it.
I know its an unfinished game so it hard to cast judgement at this time but as far as i am concern the game has a few issues to iron out.
there is no fluidity
the players get stuck in transition
Players move by themselves when you first grab control
Keepers are still bad
Defending is confusing
cursor change is horrific
camera angle now makes it difficult to place where the ball is going when in mid air.
…..but the graphics look gooood
to name a few
Wont be happy if cursor change is still fucked although I found semi assist bearable in pes 2011, has to be worked on if this is still the case as it can be highly irritating. Unassisted cursor change was unusable in pes 2011.
Love the look of new pitchside cam, hopefully broadcast is still in too.
Thank fuck we can finally turn off AI interventions such as auto clearance and auto shot/pass which should never exist in the first place.
@Amateur:
Have you tried to start play from the back by using the off the ball movement feature? For example, using Barcelona, is it possible to hold the ball with Gerard Pique and move Xavi Hernandez towards the ball carrier?
You can move any player, where you want and when you want, with the manual off the ball control. I did it with Berbatov to move him near Rafael, to fake a cross and pass it to him.
Cesc Fabregas
25-08-2011, 05:35
Does the off the ball control even work outside of set pieces? If so, how?
@Amateur:
You can move any player, where you want and when you want, with the manual off the ball control. I did it with Berbatov to move him near Rafael, to fake a cross and pass it to him.
Yeah I read that, it sounds cool, I can do the same exact thing with PES10 by using either the "Strategy A" or "Strategy B" and simply moving just one individual across the width of the pitch and leaving the rest of the players as an identical copy of the original set up; as a result, whenever I press the L2 button + tap the short passing button, the selected target will move across the width of the pitch, which is very useful and makes a massive difference to a game that would otherwise be completely hopeless.
The massive flaw with the PES10 system, is that in order for it to work, you can only pick just ONE player for the entire game; this is why I regularly talk about how the game could revolve around numerous preset scripts for numerous players, and how all the numerous factors, direction of movement, speed of movement, timing of movement, could all be wrapped into a very simple and responsive control scheme.
But anyways, unlike the PES11 system, with the PES12 system you can choose anyone at any given time. Just a couple of questions if you don't mind.
1st -- When passing the ball you are forced into releasing the right analog stick: how does the off the ball movement work when you release the right analog stick in order to pass the ball?
1st -- Does the selected target automatically continues running towards the given direction? or does the selected target halts his movement and shifts into a stationary stance?
2nd -- Considering the fact that the right analog stick must be released in order to pass the ball; how can you determine when you want the selected target to halt his movement or when you want the selected to continue running into space?
3rd -- How do you select the player that you want to move?
4th -- How do you determine when the selected target starts moving?
5th -- Can you also determine the speed at which the selected target moves through space?
6th -- How close can the selected target get to the ball carrier? Is it possible to position the 2nd player (without the ball) just right besides the ball carrier?
7th -- Does it ever feel responsive or is the whole procedure just unresponsive?
This is how it works.
When you're controlling a player, press the R3 and a desired direction to choose a 2nd player (R3 activates the 2nd player control instead of dribbling moves), then if you selected the manual off the ball feature, you will be able to control 2 players at the same time. The original with the left stick, and the 2nd player with the right. You have full control over the direction with the 2nd player.
Can you also determine the speed at which the selected target moves through space?
The player runs, but I do not know how to stop him. Sometimes he also jogs. It depends on the defender around him.
How close can the selected target get to the ball carrier? Is it possible to position the 2nd player (without the ball) just right besides the ball carrier?
I think you can, but you ave to set it to manual, because Auto is like the auto run button in fifa. Thing s that it's difficult to do it because the the opposite directions and AI pressure.
Does it ever feel responsive or is the whole procedure just unresponsive?
Somewhere in between. I would like more flow to the overall procedure. But it's a good start.
This is how it works.
When you're controlling a player, press the R3 and a desired direction to choose a 2nd player (R3 activates the 2nd player control instead of dribbling moves), then if you selected the manual off the ball feature, you will be able to control 2 players at the same time. The original with the left stick, and the 2nd player with the right. You have full control over the direction with the 2nd player.
The player runs, but I do not know how to stop him. Sometimes he also jogs. It depends on the defender around him.
I think you can, but you ave to set it to manual, because Auto is like the auto run button in fifa. Thing s that it's difficult to do it because the the opposite directions and AI pressure.
Somewhere in between. I would like more flow to the overall procedure. But it's a good start.
Thanks for the response, I appreciate it. Another question: if you have selected your target, when you pass the ball, does the selected target automatically deactivates itself? or does the selected target continues activated even after you pass the ball?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy0KokUGLBI
The given video clip is only 55 seconds long, if you see it, you will notice that the player who scored the goal started running since the beginning of the play, meaning that three passes were completed and yet the player who was running forwards was the same. Is it possible to recreate that goal on PES12?
I mean, can you complete 3 to 4 passes and yet have just ONE selected target for as long as you want? Or does the selected target deactivates itself automatically after each pass is made?
EDIT
Looking back at it, that goal requires two selected targets, the player who made the assist needs to move first, and the player who scored the goal needs to move after.
The only way I can see that goal in PES12, is if before the 1st pass you already set a direction for the selected target (the player who made the assist), and by the 2nd pass, the selected target continues moving towards the given direction automatically; and at the same time, quickly after the 2nd pass you would now be controlling a new selected target (the player who scored the goal), whilst at the same time the 1st selected target continues moving automatically towards the given direction.
It would be great if that type of play can be recreated on PES12.
Ali_BWFC
25-08-2011, 07:07
After my initial harsh first impressions, I played it again last night. Picked Utd vs Milan. First thing I did was try to pass it back to Evra. Now, I tried my hardest to make him move TOWARDS the ball..... but he just stood there and watched it go out of play. Good bloody start!
I just got an overwhelming sence of boredom when I was playing it. I didn't feel that way when I played the 2011 demo. That felt fresh and exciting at first. 2012 feels stale and boring.
Asked my friend whose last PES was 08 how he found the demo (he'd been online for a bout 3-4 hours playing pes 2012 demo) and he said "It's not bad for once"
I think quite a few people who have been getting fifa in recent years will get this one
That's the thing... it seems to be trying to bring in Fifa fans now. They way the players dribble now is too much like Fifa, and is unrealistic.
My updated impressions:
1. GK's are utterly unacceptably bad. Just conceded a goal from the edge of the area - the shot went through the keepers legs. I mean come on Konami, there are keepers in FIFA 97 better than this. FIX IT
2. Defending is too fiddly. Why can't there just be a standing tackle button? You press it, you tackle. Simples.
The following link * http://kitanamedia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5174 * explains why dribbling past defenders seems to be easier and also why running seems weird.... apparently, running seems to work like a responsive power bar system, where you get to time sudden bursts of speed, and apparently the result is that "explosive" star players are almost unstoppable.
To be honest, I don't know what to think; is the game smarter or dumber?
That's the thing... it seems to be trying to bring in Fifa fans now. They way the players dribble now is too much like Fifa, and is unrealistic.
It was always going to happen, Konami and EA Sports are going for the same type of fans, it was all very clear with PES11 in my opinion. Further indication that the genre needs a third party who can actually produce a serious footy sim.
I just got an overwhelming sence of boredom when I was playing it. I didn't feel that way when I played the 2011 demo. That felt fresh and exciting at first. 2012 feels stale and boring.
I cannot play PES11 because of how boring I find it, so if PES12 is more of the same but even more boring.... Why do you find it more boring? The dribbling is too easy and dumbed down? What makes it stale and boring?
2. Defending is too fiddly. Why can't there just be a standing tackle button? You press it, you tackle. Simples.
Because Konami and EA Sport think that we are retarded, they think that pressing a button in order to execute a standing tackle is just too difficult for their pick up and play fans.
My updated impressions:
1. GK's are utterly unacceptably bad. Just conceded a goal from the edge of the area - the shot went through the keepers legs. I mean come on Konami, there are keepers in FIFA 97 better than this. FIX IT
2. Defending is too fiddly. Why can't there just be a standing tackle button? You press it, you tackle. Simples.
Not to disagree but you can make a standing tackle. However the keepers although appear better, somehow spill more than in 11. I am sure that they will be better in the 2nd demo. The close control also needs to be toned down a bit. But not by much. Why?
Because in reality, defenders can be beaten easily if the defender rushes without thinking ahead. I play 5 a sides and we do not train football, but I can beat soemone who rushes mindless at me easily. So the players can do it if I can.
Defending in this game need to also have more user input too.
BTW, Press R2 and X to jockey and CLOSE SPACES, and use the AI pressure wisely. That's how to defend well. Sometimes you have to take control and make a sliding tackle too.
But overall, the close control needs a bit of toning down, but not by much. Just enough to make a clearer difference between Messi and other fast dribblers and the other dribblers and non dribblers too.
I can see this becoming better in the 2nd demo if we give the proper feedback, or here's hoping again.
Please remember that this is the first demo. In my opinion they shouldn't have released it. Why? Cos the haters will hate even more. FIFA fans won't be impressed and I take it that was a main reason this first demo was released, to draw in people who have left Pro for FIFA.
Konami have already said this demo is way behind the 2nd demo (so why release it?)
Keepers are being worked on.
I'm a 360 owner and was gutted this demo didn't land yesterday. But today after reading some comments I'm glad it didn't. I hated pes11 & 09 and am still playing PES10.
I really want to be impressed by Pes12 and would the first demo do that?
It's the dirt time I've preordered FIFA and evo. I feel dirty for saying it but evo has been a major let down for me in last few releases and I've been a fan since ISS on SNES.
Not everyone is gonna like Pes12 but this demo could make or break pes12 in my opinion.
Pes 12 demo is light years ahead of pes 10 in fact it's like comparing la liga with the spl
Pes 12 demo is light years ahead of pes 10 in fact it's like comparing la liga with the spl
But both la liga and SPL only have two teams!
Dean Richmond
25-08-2011, 10:35
ok having played a few games i see some problems, here they are....
- Keepers. Terrible, they ruin the demo for me, pushing away easy saves to an open net for an attacker to tap in. They are over dramatic and dive for easy shots pushing them away for a corner. they are better on free kicks however as they actually save them! but overall keepers are shocking, cmon konami fix em!
- Shooting. Still crap imo if you shoot outside the box especially, no-one shoots like that konami! they need to be lower and more accurate, it ruins it when you have good build up play only for a shot to fly 10 yards over the bar :(
- Referees have improved alot, but there is one bug that still gets to me. When a player tackles someone that has already passed the ball and takes him out completely, but play continues with no punishment. It happened in PES 11, 10 and 09 EVERY time, and now it happens in this. think it was 08 when the referee actually pulled you back for it. it needs sorting because the player gets injured for nothing!
thats it really, i really like the player control, but maybe the defending could be improved aswell. I look forward to Demo 2 when hopefully these will be fixed
Ali_BWFC
25-08-2011, 11:02
I cannot play PES11 because of how boring I find it, so if PES12 is more of the same but even more boring.... Why do you find it more boring? The dribbling is too easy and dumbed down? What makes it stale and boring?
When I first started playing the PES 2011 demo, I loved it. My love for the full release has dwindled over time, it's now more of a love/hate relationship.
I can't pinpoint why I found it (PES 2012 demo) boring. It just didn't excite me (well... technically that's the definition of boring, but I can't think of a better explanation). Attacking felt very stale and slow. The AI did the same tactic over and over - just knock it past me then fall over resulting in a free kick.... maybe I need to be less hastey with my tackles though.
I'll give it another go tonight, maybe I was in a bad mood yesterday, though I don't think I was.
Will still get the 2nd demo, but if it doesn't improve greatly, I will seriously consider NOT buying PES this year.... which will be a first.
firestorm79
25-08-2011, 11:06
Started downloading it this morning and it was taking too long so will have to wait till I get back from work to try it out... What I'm most interested in are the off the ball controls... Are they any good? Do you guys use manual or assisted? Can you do without having to use it? Is it tricky to control both players? I guess I'll find out this evening but I don't think i'll get enough time to get a proper impression...
skickahit10
25-08-2011, 11:13
I like the demo! it's an unfinished product - but it feels very promising!
Been playing on PC, hardest level and the least passing-assistance allowed in the settings.
These are my impressions:
Good
- AI feels much more refined
- Much smoother gameplay (thanks to the improved AI)
- Opponents don't go down as easily when you tackle, if you just nudge them when you tackle it's more likely that they momentarily just lose their balance a bit (in 2011 they would fall on their ass, Barcelona-style, if you even touched them slightly)
- No more "catch-up bug"
- Keepers are better
- ...and so are the refs
Bad/not good enough
- With the exit of the "catch-up bug" defending is arguably much more harder. PES has imho always been shifted to the attacker's advantage, but even more so now. Perhaps it's just a question of (re-)learning how to defend and getting used to a new system, but it raises an eye-brow that attacking feels so easy and smooth, and defending feels so hard.
- Keepers are still not smart enough, might be corrected for the final version though
- the game is obviously still a bit "unpolished" with a few AI-bugs
Encounter
25-08-2011, 11:50
If you play fifa for a long time , you eventually want something new.
I played fifa 11 online for about 300 matches~ don´t counting disconnects matches and lost about 70 of em.
bought 09 10 11, and all feel the same.
PR3CiSiON
25-08-2011, 11:56
Game feels great on the ball, I think tackling needs a bit of work it's not as easy as it used to be. Then again PES always has a learning curve. Seems promising for a first demo release.
Makavelian
25-08-2011, 12:06
Anyone had a penalty yet ?How are they, same as last years?Still the same silly side on cam?
pategato
25-08-2011, 12:19
The gameplay in this demo is very similar to a FIFA game, I think.
Anyone had a penalty yet ?How are they, same as last years?Still the same silly side on cam?
The only goal I've scored was a penalty. Back to the good old from the back view.
PR3CiSiON
25-08-2011, 12:23
Anyone had a penalty yet ?How are they, same as last years?Still the same silly side on cam?
I actually saved a penalty yesterday. :cool: Back to the old style of PES' camera angle.
Pens are back to normal.
For all the nice little improvements made the overall feeling for me is that it feels the most arcardy seen Pes 2008. The passing is more auto then ever with players been able to pass with no animation sometimes with their legs or body movement.
The one thing i could always count on in PES was the satifaction when you score a goal and that as gone big time in this demo on the PS3. Between the animation of the shot, the animation of the player when shooting and the animation of the ball hitting the net at 200mph as left me feeling nothing after the goal as gone in.
Will not judge until second demo but this demo has left me cold
Makavelian
25-08-2011, 12:26
Do you still direct your shots the same way as last years?
skickahit10
25-08-2011, 12:28
I seem to be one of the few who actually appreciated the penalties in 2011.... :cool:
once I got the hang of it I almost never missed one!
MysteryMan
25-08-2011, 12:41
The following link * http://kitanamedia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5174 * explains why dribbling past defenders seems to be easier and also why running seems weird.... apparently, running seems to work like a responsive power bar system, where you get to time sudden bursts of speed, and apparently the result is that "explosive" star players are almost unstoppable.
To be honest, I don't know what to think; is the game smarter or dumber?
Yea its very easy to fly past players with R1+R2, I was flying past man utd players easily on top player, you just press R1+R2 when hes close enough and he cuts to one way and blews past him.
What my biggest problem is that you can only do it around the defender, it makes no sense.
So when you run using R1 your not actually running at full speed, when you use R1+R2 you burst to full speed but then stop and can only run with R1 again once ur past the player, it makes no sense because once someone goes past a player hes going to run FULL speed if he has a clear path against a goalkeeper, and same goes for defender, you can only use R1 to chase down the attacker that went past you even tho thats not your "full speed" since R1+R2 seems to speed a player up for a second if an opponent is by, it doesn't make sense to me.
You can tap R1 tho but I didn't notice any change of speed at all, actually a few times it feelt like the opponents had a easyer time closing me down when taping R1 then holding it. It just feels very odd to me all this.
Tried the demo last night, I understand it's still work in progress. The pass setting under controller option when put on manual the passing feels assisted as opposed to FIFA11 which you could loose the ball if not perfectly going to your teammate. For instance if you have two teammates say 10 feet apart in FIFA you can pass the ball to go in between two players but in PES it will go to whoever the CPU decides would be the best option for yea. This is no good for me.
^Thing is that in fifa 11, Essien can pass the ball like Xavi. THAT MAKES EVEN LESS SENSE.
As for the demo. Yes it has issues like the GK's spilling the ball too much,
close control being too good (tone it down a little, but not much),
less passing assistance (though not to a point where individuality is lost, I feel that this is very close to pes 11's passing which I truly liked),
better defending in the sense that currently it'll be a bit clustered and the AI players will get past you with ease sometimes. I want more control over my defence and I want better standing tackles because the response is A BIT OFF compared to the attacking side.'s response I understand that defenders are less responsive on the ball, but for tackling, the defenders should have higher response. THIS WILL SOLVE ALOT OF DEFENDING PROBLEMS.
That's basically it and pes 12 will be the best ever. The 2 major would be to make higher response for tackles especially the defenders, and tone down the close control a little but not much and this would be awesome.
Ofcourse the speed issue is there, but I feel that this is due to the game's unfinished state.
^Thing is that in fifa 11, Essien can pass the ball like Xavi. THAT MAKES EVEN LESS SENSE.
apparently you haven't played fifa11 in full manual, in full manual you're in control of ball passing and shooting etc, you can make plenty of errors passing in manual as opposed to fine tuned passes in CPU assisted where you only need to push the pass button and CPU would do your job <- how does this make sense?
BTW, you know how hard it is to score in manual! extremely difficult, and that's why manual settings are for men only :ohmy:
simononestop
25-08-2011, 13:51
2 points i noticed last night (I only played one game)
1) Defending is really hard!! i normally use positioning of my defender and hold R2 to get in front of the player then hit X to tackle! I find this normally works best.
(although sliding tackles felt better) seems I end up button bashing alot!! as players skip past me
2) Shooting is wierd feels like no power in shots. even when you get free from your marker and hit the ball in your stride (which normally gets the best shots)
but sayinf this its prob just the usual time needed to adapt to a new version!
IronCity
25-08-2011, 14:17
When I read all the comments there are common themes permeating; what were those guys thinking over at we_blog. Seems like they were praising all the things getting knocked on here. Did the game change drastically from their early demo and what is available to all of us now?
IronCity
25-08-2011, 14:19
Since one-user can play off the ball to control 2 players at at time, can 2 users control 4 players in 2 vs 2 matches?
Montanaro
25-08-2011, 14:55
Interesting point Iron City
apparently you haven't played fifa11 in full manual, in full manual you're in control of ball passing and shooting etc, you can make plenty of errors passing in manual as opposed to fine tuned passes in CPU assisted where you only need to push the pass button and CPU would do your job <- how does this make sense?
BTW, you know how hard it is to score in manual! extremely difficult, and that's why manual settings are for men only :ohmy:
Sorry but this argument is dumb. It's not about making a game more difficult, I was talking about individuality of the player you're controlling, not your skill.
The game can be as challenging as in full manual, with non manual controls.
The difficulty fifa 11 offers in manual is because it's manual, but that completely destroy the player individuality I was talking about AND PEOPLE ARE FORGETTING THIS MAJOR ISSUE, because they're busy thinking they're THE BEST just because they play manual.
BTW, I do not mean to start a fight, just pointing out a fact that people who play fifa in manual forget. :)
playerito
25-08-2011, 15:11
i like it, good job konami. pretty difficult to defend now can't bomb defenders.
my only major gripe is... you shoot and your own players don't try to duck or jump over your shots, the ball just deflects off them, hope they fix that.
still kinda sucks the offside rules gets called even when the player has no real chance of getting the ball, cuz the player goes for the ball automatically :/, but oh well. oh and where's the advantage rule?
i like it, good job konami. pretty difficult to defend now can't bomb defenders.
my only major gripe is... you shoot and your own players don't try to duck or jump over your shots, the ball just deflects off them, hope they fix that.
still kinda sucks the offside rules gets called even when the player has no real chance of getting the ball, cuz the player goes for the ball automatically :/, but oh well. oh and where's the advantage rule?
Im not sure i would call it an advantage rule but from a youtube clip i saw the linesman raises the flag for an offside but the play continues and the ref is clearly stretching his arms to show the advantage.
MysteryMan
25-08-2011, 15:26
They need to tone down this damn close control and one touch from players ffs Vidic and Ferdinand have the same ball control as Messi should , look at this game I played on top player, look how easy it is to keep posession because of it and against Barca aswell
http://www.shrani.si/f/v/OB/jAqhN13/pes2012-2011-08-25-16-12.jpg
2nd thing that bothers me is that they YET again have not replicated posession football, as a matter of fact I don't see any difference between AI teams that use long ball tactic, quick counter or posession... I really don't.
For example all I see from Barca is PASS FORWARD, DRIBBLE PLAYER, PASS FORWARD , PASS FORWARD , DRIBBLE PLAYER, SHOOT, repeat..
There is no posession control, no passing around the pitch at all, thats rly disapointing.
Sorry but this argument is dumb. It's not about making a game more difficult, I was talking about individuality of the player you're controlling, not your skill.
The game can be as challenging as in full manual, with non manual controls.
The difficulty fifa 11 offers in manual is because it's manual, but that completely destroy the player individuality I was talking about AND PEOPLE ARE FORGETTING THIS MAJOR ISSUE, because they're busy thinking they're THE BEST just because they play manual.
BTW, I do not mean to start a fight, just pointing out a fact that people who play fifa in manual forget. :)
No man, I don't think of myself the best just because I play on manual, in fact I lost many matches or tie. The reason I play on manual because:
1.I play real soccer.
2.Sense of accomplishment when you get the ball manually to your opponent side and finally score a goal.
3.It feels more realistic when passing the ball as you have to be very precise with your passing.
People also think they are the best because they know how to perform a trick or two while letting the CPU doing all the work for them.
I haven't noticed individuality changes when on manual in FIFA, I still couldn't score with a defense player or players with low score.
Das:Fohlen
25-08-2011, 17:01
i like it, good job konami. pretty difficult to defend now can't bomb defenders.
my only major gripe is... you shoot and your own players don't try to duck or jump over your shots, the ball just deflects off them, hope they fix that.
still kinda sucks the offside rules gets called even when the player has no real chance of getting the ball, cuz the player goes for the ball automatically :/, but oh well. oh and where's the advantage rule?
I played 10 games (6/2/2) and i really like it. Some minor things to fix but its very promising. I had a few situations where the ref used the advantage rule perfectly. I have scored some amazing goals and even scored the only penalty i received.
futsal4lyfe
25-08-2011, 17:37
Sorry but this argument is dumb. It's not about making a game more difficult, I was talking about individuality of the player you're controlling, not your skill.
The game can be as challenging as in full manual, with non manual controls.
The difficulty fifa 11 offers in manual is because it's manual, but that completely destroy the player individuality I was talking about AND PEOPLE ARE FORGETTING THIS MAJOR ISSUE, because they're busy thinking they're THE BEST just because they play manual.
BTW, I do not mean to start a fight, just pointing out a fact that people who play fifa in manual forget. :)
I am under the impression that the player skill levels (passing, etc.) influence how accurately their actions conform to your manual commands. Or at least, that's how it should be
I agree that fifa needs some more player individuality though, PES had that nailed in the past.
LuKaKu_TT
25-08-2011, 17:51
I thought honestly it is a brilliant Demo, and also you can check out the details of those teams faces on the Avatar bit in Personal settings. Hamsik looks incredible and so does Rooney, Hernandez finally has a preset face which is great. The gameplay i feel is very realistic with 360 Dribbling and players awareness of what space to run into i think FIFA have really got to produce a fabulous game this year to beat PES 2012 i think FIFA have been dwelling on improving the game and changing minor factors as they never thought that PES would be able to ever be as good as them. With the new Football Life mode it will be very intresting to test that out but on first view it seems really good. Brilliant Demo, can't wait for the Next Demo in September, and then finally THE finished product :)
The most satisfying thing in this demo is winning AND keeping a clean sheet, a 1-0 win is so hard to come by whereas 2-1 and 3-2 can occur. Ive also realized that when i cant be bothered (two games) i get hammered because the defending requires a lot of concentration, i lost 5-0 to Napoli and 3-0 to Santos, but ive also beaten Napoli 3-0. Football is a funny old game lol
No man, I don't think of myself the best just because I play on manual, in fact I lost many matches or tie. The reason I play on manual because:
1.I play real soccer.
2.Sense of accomplishment when you get the ball manually to your opponent side and finally score a goal.
3.It feels more realistic when passing the ball as you have to be very precise with your passing.
People also think they are the best because they know how to perform a trick or two while letting the CPU doing all the work for them.
I haven't noticed individuality changes when on manual in FIFA, I still couldn't score with a defense player or players with low score.
If you play real soccer than you should know that Essien shouldn't pass the ball like xavi . In fifa 11 he can especially on manual.
I agree on the sense of accomplishment though BUT THAT SHOULDN'T BE MISTAKEN with player individuality. Fifa is already pretty bad in player individuality, BUT MANUAL MAKES IT WORSE as every player passes the same because it depends on the gamer 100%.
Pes needs more freedom and more user input, YES. But not to ffia's level where every player becomes the same.
And dribbling in Pes isn't directed by the CPU you know ;) Passes, shooting and some movement is but not dribbling. Dribbling is good in pes because you feel a big difference between messi and villa.
MysteryMan
25-08-2011, 19:39
And dribbling in Pes isn't directed by the CPU you know ;) Passes, shooting and some movement is but not dribbling. Dribbling is good in pes because you feel a big difference between messi and villa.
Your talking about PES 2011 right? Cuz in the demo I barely see a difference between Vidic and Messi, srsly KONAMI rly needs to fix this I can pretty much hold posession non stop with Napoli if I want no matter who I play.
Makavelian
25-08-2011, 19:43
People are pretty delusional at this stage with the demo .I don't think they want to admit how bad it is.
jedifunk
25-08-2011, 20:03
these threads can be so funny... one user says it sucks, another says its the second coming of PES6.
me? well, i just got it and have only played once. impressions... definitely a different game that 2011.
likes:
- space given to player on the ball. finally some time to think and make a good pass.
- off the ball abilities (free kicks, throw ins). finally, some control on these things
- player strength while dribbling. seems like you don't get knocked off the ball as easily, which was one of my biggest frustrations with 2011, especially the "stumble" animation where you had absolutely no control over your player.
dislikes
- speed of movement. players, balls, passes all seem really slow.
- reaction of game after button press. seems slower than last year, which isn't a good thing. it also still has the "memory" issue where it will remember a button press for like 30 seconds.
- through balls on the ground seem a little off. lofted ones too, but i only attempted one or two.
overall, i like it. i definitely need to take some time to unlearn 2011 so that i can play 2012. all the new stuff will take some time getting used to in order to full appreciate them. i didn't really see any players making the diagonal runs or off the ball movement as advertised, but did see a lot more "helpful assistance" from AI players in the form of pointing to where they want the ball or where to pass it, which i really liked.
can't wait to spend the entire night playing it! and can't wait for the next demo, to see how far konami has taken it
playerito
25-08-2011, 20:30
Im not sure i would call it an advantage rule but from a youtube clip i saw the linesman raises the flag for an offside but the play continues and the ref is clearly stretching his arms to show the advantage.
i've yet to see that, interesting
http://www.shrani.si/f/v/OB/jAqhN13/pes2012-2011-08-25-16-12.jpg
how did you get barca on the demo? am i missing something lol or is that some pc mod
I played 10 games (6/2/2) and i really like it. Some minor things to fix but its very promising. I had a few situations where the ref used the advantage rule perfectly. I have scored some amazing goals and even scored the only penalty i received.
i guess just like in real life, no ref ever gives me the advantage rule :crymore:
Ali_BWFC
25-08-2011, 21:06
Played it more today, like it even less now. I'm already noticing some pretty obvious scripting, which isn't a good sign.
I REALLY want to like it. It pains me to say that I don't like it. The 2nd demo will probably be an improvement, but people are delusional if they think it will be massively different.
Zorac1979
25-08-2011, 21:21
Played it more today, like it even less now. I'm already noticing some pretty obvious scripting, which isn't a good sign.
I REALLY want to like it. It pains me to say that I don't like it. The 2nd demo will probably be an improvement, but people are delusional if they think it will be massively different.
Agreed. There a lot of creases to iron out maybe too many, lets hope not. Possession play is decent but no more than that, I don't feel I have full control of my passes, shooting seems like a dice roll, you could take the same type of shot in the same position, 1 will be a low drive and the next a shot that skies over the bar. Defending seems unfinished atm, or it better be as it's extremely poor in my opinion.
Keepers are made out of rubber as everything bounces off them and crosses are overpowered once again.
Things will be better in the next Demo, I don't doubt that, but there is a lot of work that need to be done if they want to get some gamers back from Fifa or even keep some of them they still have.
Ali_BWFC
25-08-2011, 21:25
I'm not gonna switch to Fifa, that's for sure. If I still don't like the next demo, I may just give football games a miss for the year. I would say that's very unlikely though, there will be part of me that does want to buy PES no matter how bad I think the demos are.
I tried FIFA and it was utter garbage I must say, I honestly can't see the attraction the gameplay is woeful.
They need to tone down this damn close control and one touch from players ffs Vidic and Ferdinand have the same ball control as Messi should , look at this game I played on top player, look how easy it is to keep posession because of it and against Barca aswell
http://www.shrani.si/f/v/OB/jAqhN13/pes2012-2011-08-25-16-12.jpg
2nd thing that bothers me is that they YET again have not replicated posession football, as a matter of fact I don't see any difference between AI teams that use long ball tactic, quick counter or posession... I really don't.
For example all I see from Barca is PASS FORWARD, DRIBBLE PLAYER, PASS FORWARD , PASS FORWARD , DRIBBLE PLAYER, SHOOT, repeat..
There is no posession control, no passing around the pitch at all, thats rly disapointing.
That will always be the case for as long as preset scripts are not used, the only way you can have realistic football is with preset scripts, and both Konami and EA Sports are not interested in preset scripts; both companies are offering the same type of game, automatic everything so that you don't have to think about anything, this makes it redundant to try to play realistic football, because at the end of the day if you pay the video game the way it was designed to be played -- pass forwards, dribble, pass forward, dribble, pass forward, shot -- you will score more goals.
Again, and I have been saying for at least one year now, the only way a video game can offer a realistic football simulation is if the video game revolves around preset scripts. As a result, a team like Barcelona would have players like Xavi Hernandez who would have the special ability of having more sequences per preset script, whereas the average would have a much more limited preset script.
For example, Xavi Hernandez can handle a preset script composed by 7 sequences, on the other hand, the average player can handle at the most a preset script composed by just 3 sequences. As a result, the preset script composed by 7 sequences, would allow teams like Barcelona to have most of the possession, simply because of the player individuality.
As a result, as well, the passing system would need to be different, in order to complement with the preset script system. But in the end, you would have a footy simulation that would offer realistic build up play, as opposed to a pinball arcade game.
I agree on the sense of accomplishment though BUT THAT SHOULDN'T BE MISTAKEN with player individuality. Fifa is already pretty bad in player individuality, BUT MANUAL MAKES IT WORSE as every player passes the same because it depends on the gamer 100%.
FIFA does not offer any freedom, FIFA is just incredibly restrictive, I find it ridiculous that so many people confuse restrictiveness with freedom. FIFA does not offer any movement within the space, does not offer any off the ball freedom, does not offer any type of actual freedom.
The only thing that FIFA offers is the so called "manual" setting, which in reality does not make the game any better because the game still is utter shit. FIFA gives the impression of having many dribbling animations, but if all players feel the same, then it means that FIFA does not have enough fundamental or practical variety in terms of dribbling style.
The so called "freedom" that FIFA offers is as simple as this: direct the left analog stick with or without the assistance of any other button, and you simultaneously determine the direction of passing and the direction of movement..... How can anyone describe such a restrictive system where it is impossible to determine the direction of passing or the direction of movement independently, as "freedom"??
It makes no sense, it's a restrictive PS2 era arcade game on the inside with nice graphics and animations on the outside, outdated and restrictive, and you can hardly call it "manual" when you cannot even determine movement within the space (which would actually be manual).
Played it more today, like it even less now. I'm already noticing some pretty obvious scripting, which isn't a good sign.
I REALLY want to like it. It pains me to say that I don't like it. The 2nd demo will probably be an improvement, but people are delusional if they think it will be massively different.
That's a very bad sign, I was sure that you would like PES12, but the fact that you don't, as well as Mak, indicates that PES12 is not what the WENB guys have been promising.
My two cents is, not having played the actual video game but having seen quite a few videos, PES12 is a remake of PES6, it is the type of video game that I would have enjoyed three years ago, but it's just too simplistic and outdated for year 2012.
The Football Simulation Genre really needs a third party, I'm tired of watching Konami and EA Sports fighting over the same type of casual "pick up and play" fans who just want a video game that plays itself.
By the way, SCRIPTING will never be fixed WITHOUT the use of preset scripts, as simple as that.
I tried FIFA and it was utter garbage I must say, I honestly can't see the attraction the gameplay is woeful.
The attraction is that it requires absolutely no thinking at all, a seven year old can beat the shit out of the most experienced football fan, because the game has absolutely nothing in common with real football.
To be honest, I think that PES11 is the same thing as FIFA11, and apparently, according to some people, PES12 is even more similar to FIFA than PES11 was, which certainly isn't a good thing.
Your talking about PES 2011 right? Cuz in the demo I barely see a difference between Vidic and Messi, srsly KONAMI rly needs to fix this I can pretty much hold posession non stop with Napoli if I want no matter who I play.
There is a difference, but they need to make it more obvious. But I can see a clear difference between Robinho and Cassano to players like Gattuso.
And no the demo is not bad at all. It has it's problems, but overall it's good. If they tone down the close control a bit, and make standing tackles better, then it would be awesome.
Just got my hand on the DEMO today..im playing around with the off ball teammate control..still hard to cope with it tho..need more practice
Ali_BWFC
26-08-2011, 07:07
That's a very bad sign, I was sure that you would like PES12, but the fact that you don't, as well as Mak, indicates that PES12 is not what the WENB guys have been promising.
I was sure that I'd like it too. As you know, I'm always defended PES 2011 despite it's problems. I can't defend PES 2012 on the basis of this demo.
I couldn't do the training challenge.
WTF am I supposed to do?
Tells me to use the right stick but nothing happens.
Then I'm supposed to push either down ? or push the r3 sticks button in?
Doesn't tell me.
Very vague instructions on the challenge demo.
Tried and tried but can't do it.
If I had a woman's brain and could multitask maybe but these are so confusing.
What's the difference between this and just passing to a team mate?
I don't get it????????????????
Demo is good though for the basic things.
I'm into the FIFA styled arcade rubbishy trick stuff.
I was sure that I'd like it too. As you know, I'm always defended PES 2011 despite it's problems. I can't defend PES 2012 on the basis of this demo.
As said earlier this is why Konami shouldn't have released this demo. They should have waited and released only 1 demo, the one that's out in a few weeks.
This was done to get one over FIFA and it could spectacularly fail.
I'm a PES fan but the look on Seabass and Murphy was a look of resignation at Gamescon or where they had the presser.
Seabass looked like a beaten man.
I think they need a postive Aussie in there.
That would shake the place up a bit.
Having said that,I don't like FIFA and never will.
I don't like the graphic style of the game at all.
Really cold.
EA's slogan makes me ill plastered all around the stadiums.
And the game is named after Sepp Blatter,the biggest crook in world sport.
I couldn't do the training challenge.
WTF am I supposed to do?
Tells me to use the right stick but nothing happens.
Then I'm supposed to push either down ? or push the r3 sticks button in?
Doesn't tell me.
Very vague instructions on the challenge demo.
first u gotta press the R3 to change cursor to other team mate then use right stick to move him around..and then pass..ive passed all the training challenges
first u gotta press the R3 to change cursor to other team mate then use right stick to move him around..and then pass..ive passed all the training challenges
I was doing it in reverse lol.
Thanks.
brunosebalo
26-08-2011, 08:22
The more I play the more it feels like FIFA, I might write an e-mail to 2k sports begging them to get in the soccer game market lol, if you played EA Sports Nba Live garbage and the 2k Sports Nba game you would know what I am talking about, such a steep learning curve, so rewarding if you know how to play proper basketball, 2K sports Nba game is the real deal , kids play NBA Live, pes used to be like that but now konami is trying to win casual players so they made it very similar to fifa, Ali got it right, is just a demo but if people think the final release will be much different they are being delusional.
WAiting for the day when the best people from FIFA and the best from PES form together and make the best football game on Earth.
I'm over the "impact engine" BS and "off the ball " controls.
P.S. just had another go at the off the ball controls and was frustrated as all hell.
Don't get it at all.
Both these companies have had a good go at it and failed. Time for a heavyweight like 2K sports to come in and fix the genre.
The more I play the more it feels like FIFA, I might write an e-mail to 2k sports begging them to get in the soccer game market lol, if you played EA Sports Nba Live garbage and the 2k Sports Nba game you would know what I am talking about, such a steep learning curve, so rewarding if you know how to play proper basketball, 2K sports Nba game is the real deal , kids play NBA Live, pes used to be like that but now konami is trying to win casual players so they made it very similar to fifa, Ali got it right, is just a demo but if people think the final release will be much different they are being delusional.
It's not like fifa, why do you say that?
It's more like pes 6. Go play that, and see for yourself.
I have played fifa 09, 10 and 11 (though in 11 I preferred pes) and I can tell you that it's nothing like fifa at all.
People said the same thing in pes 11 and for me, it was nothing like fifa and I have played fifa for more than 2 years.
Konami have gone stale. How can they make the best footie games ever from ISS to Pes06 and then fail so badly.
If it's the same people working on the game then the same mistakes will happen year in year out.
Ea realised this and changed the team.
^I get what you're saying, but Pes 11 was far from a fail. yes it had negatives and really bad ones, but overall, it was a good game. It was a good reincarnation.
But fresh ideas are always welcome.
the goalkeepers r kinda slow in this DEMO (at first i thought it was only De Gea LOL)..is it just me or there r others who feel the same
As said earlier this is why Konami shouldn't have released this demo. They should have waited and released only 1 demo, the one that's out in a few weeks.
This was done to get one over FIFA and it could spectacularly fail.
At the same time it shows confidence in their product, and also shows that Konami is willing to take risks that other companies avoid, which is appreciated.
the goalkeepers r kinda slow in this DEMO (at first i thought it was only De Gea LOL)..is it just me or there r others who feel the same
Slow in terms of reaction? Yes they are a bit, but you have to know that the GK's in the demo aren't the better keepers like Buffon,Cesar, Casillas, etc.. But yeah, they need to up their reactions, AND they also need to make them spill less. That's the problem with GK's in this game. The amount of spilling.
I believe this will be fixed though. I hope so anyway.
Makavelian
26-08-2011, 10:48
shaun7 defending a pes game .shocking.
:lmao:
shaun7 defending a pes game .shocking.
:lmao:
+rep
every year at this time he throws on his cape to defend it, could use a defender like him for arsenal :D
when is this out on xbox :(
don't try to look smart or make me look like a pes defender.
I just speak my mind. I mentioned what needs improving in the pes 12 demo, BUT UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE WHO OVERREACT about the negatives only, I also mentioned the positives.
When have you seen me defend pes 08, 09 and 10? Never, because I was with fifa at that time.
shaun7 defending a pes game .shocking.
:lmao:
I think most of uss have got your point. Now you are just annoying.
Can you go play FIFA now?!:rolleyes::shocking:
Stephen Hawking: "Imagine, somehow, he’s built a wormhole, a time tunnel that stretches just one minute into the past. Through the wormhole, the scientist can see himself as he was one minute ago. But what if our scientist uses the wormhole to shoot his earlier self? He’s now dead. So who fired the shot?"
Well lets see who says the bullet will travel at a fast speed. When the bullit come on the other side of the wormhole it wont have been fired cause it is only fired 5 min later and becuase of that the scientist is still alive. Stpehen you need to rethink this.
Makavelian
26-08-2011, 11:26
When have you seen me defend pes 08, 09 and 10? Never, because I was with fifa at that time.
Don't kid yourself .You do it every year .
Can you go play FIFA now?!:rolleyes::shocking:
Pass.
wallpaper_01
26-08-2011, 11:31
I love PES, but still don't think its good enough by today's standards... Not moved on enough for my liking... See PES 3 below...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSY9wnE74Wo&feature=related
Off the ball movement of PES 2012 is in PES 3 of 2004... Odd, maybe Konami created a time machine and went back and added it...
@ Makavelian Now who's being the kid? THE ANNOYING KID I must add.
I never said anything in favour of pes 08, 09 and 10. That destroys your argument.
Ali_BWFC
26-08-2011, 11:32
I'm a PES fan but the look on Seabass and Murphy was a look of resignation at Gamescon or where they had the presser.
Seabass looked like a beaten man.
I think they need a postive Aussie in there.
That would shake the place up a bit.
Having said that,I don't like FIFA and never will.
I don't like the graphic style of the game at all.
Really cold.
EA's slogan makes me ill plastered all around the stadiums.
And the game is named after Sepp Blatter,the biggest crook in world sport.
Seabass did look very bored and unhappy. He's been making PES long enough now. He needs to do a Steve Jobs and step down, get somebody new and fresh on the job,
wallpaper_01
26-08-2011, 11:35
Seabass did look very bored and unhappy. He's been making PES long enough now. He needs to do a Steve Jobs and step down, get somebody new and fresh on the job,
YES! Get an English football mad developer in there!
wallpaper_01
26-08-2011, 11:35
Like ME! ha!
Makavelian
26-08-2011, 11:48
@ Makavelian Now who's being the kid? THE ANNOYING KID I must add.
I never said anything in favour of pes 08, 09 and 10. That destroys your argument.
Bullshit .I've been a member since 2008 and i always remember the assasin creed dude always defending pes.
YES! Get an English football mad developer in there!
Amateur as creative developer?
How comes my post from last night about the demo has been deleted? This be a conspiracy I tells ya.
LOL i just got trashed 0-4 by Milan (was using Man Utd on Top Player)...Milan rating are all A if im not mistaken.
Anyway y r u guys fighting?..
Makavelian
26-08-2011, 11:54
How comes my post from last night about the demo has been deleted? This be a conspiracy I tells ya.
It was not considered a worthy contribution ,so it was deleted with immediate effect
Bullshit .I've been a member since 2008 and i always remember the assasin creed dude always defending pes.
Amateur as creative developer?
Then you need to refresh your memory.
In 2008, I might have said something about pes 2008 being good AT FIRST, because I was so happy that I got an xbox 360 along with pes 08 that my excitement clouded my judgement.
But after buying more games for the 360, I realized how aweful pes 08 was. From there onwards until pes 10, I didn't defend pes at all. I admitted the goods and bads of the games, but overall, I played Fifa ALWAYS especially in 2009 and 2010.
It was in pes 11 that I started defending pes because people were saying only the negatives, SAME AS THIS YEAR. And I cannot stand this over reacting thing.
I try to find a balance between the positives and the negatives BUT PES 11 and this demo have more positives to them unlike pes 08, 09 and 10.
Makavelian
26-08-2011, 12:21
I never said anything in favour of pes 08
.
Contradiction much?
---------------
I'm positive you defended 09 and 10 at some time.
^I never defended them. At first I always like to see the good and bad of the games, so maybe I was somehwere in the middle, but after some time with them, I never defended them.
Oh and about pes 08. There's no contradiction. That goes to show you that I never lie. I was just happy about my new 360, that's all. Allthat matters is that I stated a million more times that pes 08 sucked.
everyone is entitled to their opinion whether they say the positive or the negative. Just buy what you would enjoy and like the most and don't worry about being a fan of something. This way you don't spend your money buying things you wouldn't play and ending up collecting dust.
This demo is WIP, it's not the complete version yet and i hope with the time left they can fix all the things users have been reporting. Also don't forget the patches afterward!
I agree that PES team should be changed now, even last year seabass wasn't looking happy.
FIFA12 PC will be the exact duplicate of 360 & PS3 and will have personality+. At this point i'm leaning more toward FIFA but i will wait for next demo, final release before making my one purchase.
Makavelian
26-08-2011, 12:54
I realized how aweful pes 08 was. From there onwards until pes 10, I didn't defend pes at all. I
On the topic of pes6 vs pes09
Pes 09 is better..
http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=67690
At the above post it's nothing to do with opinions.I'm just proving my point to shaun.
BigstickRic
26-08-2011, 13:11
Ha Ha..... Check Mate!!!!!
lol
shaun got that defense like vidic
On the topic of pes6 vs pes09
http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=67690
At the above post it's nothing to do with opinions.I'm just proving my point to shaun.
The point your proving is you being an idiot and an ANNOYING liitle kid with NO LIFE.
BTW, I didn't like pes 6. I stated million times that pes 5 was d best. Pes 6 is overrated.
The time that post was wriiten was when I didn't yet own fifa 09 and only played it at my cousins. I didn't like it there, but once I got the game and played it, I realized it was better than pes 09. Read all of them next time.
BTW, I rarely praised ffia back in 09 and 10. WHY? BECAUSE THIS IS A P.E.S forum not a fifa forum. But I did say on many occasions that fifa 09 was better.
As for pes 10. I wanted it to be better so I only saw it's positive side and actually like it for some time, but again, I realized that fifa was better than than pes 10. I also said pes 10 was better than 09, and it was a step in the right direction, but again, I got pes first, and after some time, I also said that it wasn't good enough compared to fifa.
But in 2011. I got fifa first because I was fed up with pes. BUT I WAS WRONG about pes 11. Fifa 11 was the mess and pes was finally better, FOR ME ANYWAY. And after a whole year, here I am with the same opinion about pes 11. The reson I write many positives is because people overreact about the negatives and I want balance.
Enough history lessons.
people only overreact due to that Adam and others of his ilk from that other website and believing his lies.
When they are found to be false people will natrually be mad
Makavelian
26-08-2011, 13:32
The point your proving is you being an idiot and an ANNOYING liitle kid with NO LIFE.
BTW, I didn't like pes 6. I stated million times that pes 5 was d best. Pes 6 is overrated.
The time that post was wriiten was when I didn't yet own fifa 09 and only played it at my cousins. I didn't like it there, but once I got the game and played it, I realized it was better than pes 09. Read all of them next time.
BTW, I rarely praised ffia back in 09 and 10. WHY? BECAUSE THIS IS A P.E.S forum not a fifa forum. But I did say on many occasions that fifa 09 was better.
As for pes 10. I wanted it to be better so I only saw it's positive side and actually like it for some time, but again, I realized that fifa was better than than pes 10. I also said pes 10 was better than 09, and it was a step in the right direction, but again, I got pes first, and after some time, I also said that it wasn't good enough compared to fifa.
But in 2011. I got fifa first because I was fed up with pes. BUT I WAS WRONG about pes 11. Fifa 11 was the mess and pes was finally better, FOR ME ANYWAY. And after a whole year, here I am with the same opinion about pes 11. The reson I write many positives is because people overreact about the negatives and I want balance.
Enough history lessons.
http://chan.catiewayne.com/b/src/131343614383.png
MathisBorgen
26-08-2011, 13:41
Improvements and additions that I liked:
* Dribble movement: the ability to get around players.
* Long passing: Awesome to see long curled passes hitting the target! :-D
* That the players continue to run/try to regain balance when under pressure, not coming to a halt like before.
* The ability to choose targets at set pieces.
Things that need improvement/tweaking:
*The GK's, making serious mistakes like standing still, not catching loose balls, too slow getting down, unnatural short reach at some shots, not holding the ball when they should etc. (In one game, De Gea ran away towards the corner flag when Ibra was on his way 1 on 1, extremely frustrating!) (I know keepers are being worked on.. :-P)
* Some players are made too good, like Pato; he's almost unstoppable! Not fun to play against.
* Defenders should be harder to get around, if Pato comes against Vidic and Rio for example, he can easilly get past them, even if they "nudge" him and should normally gain posession of the ball.
* When playing on the same team as my mate on top player (we were United and played against Milan), the CPU got considerably better, almost unnaturally better. Didn't make ANY mistakes and was almost impossible to regain possesion from. It was like the CPU dropped helping our team in defence and concentrated everything on the CPU team. (This only happened agains Milan though, probably because Pato, Ibra and Robinho are too "overdone", got through way to easily)
* Some players are not made good enough, like Chicharito for example (72 overall..? :-/)
* Passing and shooting need to be tweaked.
* Some tweaking when players are recieving passes are needed as well, as well as general tweaking in movement.
Summary:
It needs better balance between defence and attack, at the moment attacking is too easy compared to defending, and keepers need a serious overhaul, but that is reportedly getting worked on. If the other negatives I mentioned gets worked on, this could be the best PES yet IMO! :-D Hopefully the next demo has sorted most (hopefully all) of these things.
Anyway; it's important to remember that this is an unfinished build, like a rough scetch. But if the rough scetch is this good, then I can't wait for the full game experience!
Oh, and one last thing; PLEASE Konami, don't release 100 different EU region versions like PES 2011, the best OF makers are generally in the UK, so those outside the UK can't make use of their awesome OFs, witch is really frustrating.. :-/
I find it harder to defence in PES 2012 than PES 2011...before u can simply press pressure and ul win the ball quite easily..but not this time...u cnt rush by putting pressure on the attacking player..i like it ..more challenging
IronCity
26-08-2011, 14:18
I would love to play the demo - 290 waiting minutes and two PSN disconnects last night and I am still without a download.
BigstickRic
26-08-2011, 14:28
I would love to play the demo - 290 waiting minutes and two PSN disconnects last night and I am still without a download.
At least you will have it eventually.. Us on the 360 dont even have a demo release date yet. Nice one.... I'll just be sitting here when ye decide when in SEPTEMBER :huh: dICKHEADS :realmad:
Ali_BWFC
26-08-2011, 14:34
I would love to play the demo - 290 waiting minutes and two PSN disconnects last night and I am still without a download.
Sounds like your internet is as bad as mine!
Someone mentioned that Pato is unstoppable.... what about flipping Rooney? He just powers past you at every opportunity.
I love PES, but still don't think its good enough by today's standards... Not moved on enough for my liking... See PES 3 below...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSY9wnE74Wo&feature=related
Off the ball movement of PES 2012 is in PES 3 of 2004... Odd, maybe Konami created a time machine and went back and added it...
Pes 3 & 4 were immense.
I don't know why Konami would release a demo in such conditions. We know that there's a 2nd one coming that will im sure be much improved but why show a bad unfinished product to the public? How many people will play this demo and be turned off maybe not even knowing there's a 2nd one coming ? I don't understand the logic behind it .... in any case.... What I think so far after having played a handful of games. Player speeds are back to older PEs games, fast and quick, passing is good but I think in 2011 it was better, the animation is amazing but there are strange moments of speed bursts that Im sure will be fixed by the final version. Now what bugs me and needs fixing, and Im hoping that these things are still broken and not working properly for this demo.
1. shooting, it feels too assisted
2. the goalies are simply horrible
3. a. dribbling and close control is too good
b. passing is also too good, ball seems to get to the guy you intend to pass it to every time, it even seems like the defense is controlled to the point they will not get that ball and intercept it so it gets to the designated player. This with the super good dribbling and you could play like Barca with every team. This needs to be addressed
4. Tackling.... omg whats the deal with this? broken? I hope... you press X and your guy just won't attack the offensive player with the ball or will simply run by him. Again this adds to the Barca offensive effect.
These are the things I noticed that need work on, and As I said... I hope they're not properly implemented in this demo because its such an early build. If Konami could fix those issues to where they need to be, with the added animation, player movement and AI then this could be a great PES, but they need to address those issues!
IronCity
26-08-2011, 15:36
It still amazing to me to read other blogs saying goalies have been massively improved but read every single keeper comment here being that they are terrible. I trust this site.
IronCity
26-08-2011, 15:37
Sounds like your internet is as bad as mine!
Someone mentioned that Pato is unstoppable.... what about flipping Rooney? He just powers past you at every opportunity.
I bet you can easily put it in the back of the net from 60feet with Rooney in PES2012 as well.
It still amazing to me to read other blogs saying goalies have been massively improved but read every single keeper comment here being that they are terrible. I trust this site.
maybe in a later code they are improved but in the current demo they are horribly bad, worst than 2008 keepers! Just simply broken! they drop the softest shots and cant save anything decent shot at them. Im sure they will be better in the next DEMO which should be close to the finished product. Also I hope what I pointed out above gets addressed.
maybe in a later code they are improved but in the current demo they are horribly bad, worst than 2008 keepers! Just simply broken! they drop the softest shots and cant save anything decent shot at them. Im sure they will be better in the next DEMO which should be close to the finished product. Also I hope what I pointed out above gets addressed.
Just relax first of all Jon from Twitter said that from now and till release work will be concentrated around keepers.
Im still pissed that Haturo forgot to give the demo to Hatsuda which is why we dont have demo on xbox.
Sounds like your internet is as bad as mine!
Someone mentioned that Pato is unstoppable.... what about flipping Rooney? He just powers past you at every opportunity.
thigs gets back to my point that tacking is broken. The demo is very incomplete, the quick players and movement is fine if they compensate with better tackling. We can't have every single team pass and dribble like they're Barca. A balance must be found. I know the defense set up is good but tacking must must must improve and be like other PES games, hold up play with X+R2 will only work sometimes, you will get Messi/Ronaldo abusers online that will rape you without descent taclking implemented. I just pray that its one of the things thare not implemented into the demo yet and will be fixed for the next one.
Just relax first of all Jon from Twitter said that from now and till release work will be concentrated around keepers.
Im still pissed that Haturo forgot to give the demo to Hatsuda which is why we dont have demo on xbox.
cool that makes me feel better.... Did he mention other things they will work on like the shooting and tackling? ;)
MysteryMan
26-08-2011, 15:44
We can't have every single team pass and dribble like their Barca. A balance must be found.
Exactly.
Makavelian
26-08-2011, 15:58
Mute that video^ and play this
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Mute that video^ and play this
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Dude...u sure enjoy yourself trolling around huh
Makavelian
26-08-2011, 16:02
Immensely.
I'm sorry. that's all hear in my head when i see players dribbling in pes 2012. Thought i'd share it with you beautiful people.
I bet you can easily put it in the back of the net from 60feet with Rooney in PES2012 as well.
60 feet is 20 yards so, it is likely to go in but not easy
when's the next demo coming out???
MysteryMan
26-08-2011, 16:11
Those Milan players all have better first touch , technique and close control as Iniesta should, I serously hope KONAMI fixes this.
Those Milan players all have better first touch , technique and close control as Iniesta should, I serously hope KONAMI fixes this.
yeah MILAN r like super awesome in this DEMO..cant believe it
wallpaper_01
26-08-2011, 16:22
I bet you can easily put it in the back of the net from 60feet with Rooney in PES2012 as well.
Yep! Rolled one accross the floor from about 35 yards and it went in, curled in! shit keepers!
Kevthedrummer
26-08-2011, 16:42
There's always some really strange cosmetic things about PES that just make no sense at all, like for example the dreaded ploughed style pitch from PES 3-6 which was impossible to play on because you couldn't see anything. These days the issues are really really dark shadows where the whole pitch is a strange dark blue/green.
But obviously I'm not as bothered about the cosmetics as I am the gameplay, which looks like it's getting back to the ps2 roots, however I am a little alarmed about what people are saying about the keepers. Looking forward to trying out this demo, but I'm not holding out for it to change my life. I was initially impressed with 2011, but barely played it after a couple of weeks with it, it just didn't have the addiction factor that they used to.
turnburger
26-08-2011, 16:45
AC Milan on top player are fucking awsome there so clinical!! And whats with Robinho?? Yes i know hes a talented player IRL and defendings taking some getting used to but hes untouchable he runs circles round me :0
Ali_BWFC
26-08-2011, 16:47
Exactly.
That's how it is on Fifa. Seems like Seabass wants PES to become Fifa-lite.
I've noticed that the menu appearance has hardly changed at all from PES 2012. This is very Fifa-like, where the menus haven't changed for about 5 years! It's just lazy.
turnburger
26-08-2011, 16:55
That's how it is on Fifa. Seems like Seabass wants PES to become Fifa-lite.
I've noticed that the menu appearance has hardly changed at all from PES 2012. This is very Fifa-like, where the menus haven't changed for about 5 years! It's just lazy.
WOW Who really gives a shit what the menu looks like!! Surely thats the least important thing when u want to play a football game! The menus are easy to use so if they aint broken why fix them:kanyeshrug:
IronCity
26-08-2011, 16:58
There's always some really strange cosmetic things about PES that just make no sense at all, like for example the dreaded ploughed style pitch from PES 3-6 which was impossible to play on because you couldn't see anything. These days the issues are really really dark shadows where the whole pitch is a strange dark blue/green.
But obviously I'm not as bothered about the cosmetics as I am the gameplay, which looks like it's getting back to the ps2 roots, however I am a little alarmed about what people are saying about the keepers. Looking forward to trying out this demo, but I'm not holding out for it to change my life. I was initially impressed with 2011, but barely played it after a couple of weeks with it, it just didn't have the addiction factor that they used to.
One complaint I have (pes11) that I never see shared is how hard it is to see a team in white jerseys playing afternoon games. I love playing under the sun but I am sure to change the kits to dark before I start.
Makavelian
26-08-2011, 16:58
I wish they brought the old skool style formation menus back.They have been getting poorer each year and more awkward.
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