[STATS] FM to PES 2012 Converter

[paul2478]

I've been working on a new FM to PES converter that works with the new stats in PES2012. It's still a work in progress at the moment, I need to work on the att/def awareness stats mainly but it might take until PES2012 is released to fix it when I can see exactly what those stats are (im guessing its to do with positioning). Anyway below are some download links for you all to give it a try.

Genie Scout 12 http://www.fmscout.com/a-fm-genie-scout-12.html
FM2012 Save Game http://www.4shared.com/file/25c6Gx5N/fm2012.html

Converters
New converter by Vinnie & me v3 http://www.4shared.com/file/-hf011hn/draft3FM---PES_Stat_Conversion.html
Old converter by me (based on old Ortegaz file) http://www.4shared.com/office/8Lb460y-/FM_to_PES2012_Converter_v11_by .html

All you need to do is download the 3 files, extract the fm save using winRAR, install genie scout & use it to open the save file & search for players. Enter the stats into the converter.

We would like to hear any feedback :)

[Cristiano92]

Thanks for this paul :)

Much appreciated for the community.

[vinnie07]

nice one paul

question can i use my own Genie scout 11 and FM save file?

[paul2478]

Thanks for this paul :)

Much appreciated for the community.

Cheers

nice one paul

question can i use my own Genie scout 11 and FM save file?

Yeah I just posted them for people who dont have them already

[vinnie07]

ha ha discovered that earlier!

looks good mate :)

I agree the blank spaces for the cards need filling in but its a good idea to see what cards we get with the game!! Adam at WENB was saying that there are no defensive cards in the review version hes got so well see what we get, i'll admit I've never seen the point of the marking card especially seeing as we can do that in the tactics but it would be a shame to lose the Defence leader and the DM cards!

[99Doogs]

im gonna miss verter

[paul2478]

ha ha discovered that earlier!

looks good mate :)

I agree the blank spaces for the cards need filling in but its a good idea to see what cards we get with the game!! Adam at WENB was saying that there are no defensive cards in the review version hes got so well see what we get, i'll admit I've never seen the point of the marking card especially seeing as we can do that in the tactics but it would be a shame to lose the Defence leader and the DM cards!

Yeah I will need to see a full list of player cards, I noticed the other day that Rooney has 2 long ranger cards, the long ranger P card from 2011 plus one called long range drive. I guess the 1st one still means a player will try long range shots & the 2nd one improves their skill at long range shots

im gonna miss verter

I could never get used to verter, I hated the drop down boxes :)

[vinnie07]

Yeah I will need to see a full list of player cards, I noticed the other day that Rooney has 2 long ranger cards, the long ranger P card from 2011 plus one called long range drive. I guess the 1st one still means a player will try long range shots & the 2nd one improves their skill at long range shots

Yeah unfortunately i think it will have to be reactive rataher then proactive this year mate, would be nice to see Konami release this info early so the likes of you and i and OF creator can check it out and adjust our sets, if i can put it that way.

Im more than willing to help you out bruv give me a shout if you want to confer, the stats etc mean an awful lot to me for realism sakes and i love PES for letting us play like we can, always hated FIFA for not doing that!

All that just means that editing in my fav mode but not got the skill to pull off a brand new converter so love to contribute to this!!!

[paul2478]

Yeah unfortunately i think it will have to be reactive rataher then proactive this year mate, would be nice to see Konami release this info early so the likes of you and i and OF creator can check it out and adjust our sets, if i can put it that way.

Im more than willing to help you out bruv give me a shout if you want to confer, the stats etc mean an awful lot to me for realism sakes and i love PES for letting us play like we can, always hated FIFA for not doing that!

All that just means that editing in my fav mode but not got the skill to pull off a brand new converter so love to contribute to this!!!

If you have any ideas let me know :)

[vinnie07]

If you have any ideas let me know :)

will do mate!!!

just sorting the info i need for the teams i'd like to create and ill be in touch!

i noticed on a video (think it was the edit mode one posted on WENB) that the DM cards are still in but didnt notice the marking card (vid doesnt show all the cards) perhaps 2nd demo on 14th might show us. failing that we might have to bug someone who's played review code :)

[peixe02]

I'm downloading the files and will give it a try :)

[peixe02]

Ok, I started converting Vasco's Diego Souza. The stats were surprisingly satisfactory for me :shocking: Not underrated as I thought it would be!

Edit: "Plays One Twos" can be classified as the 1-touch play card, right?

Edit 2: And I also think that "Gets Into Opposition Area" can be the Extra Attacker card. What do you think?

[paul2478]

will do mate!!!

just sorting the info i need for the teams i'd like to create and ill be in touch!

i noticed on a video (think it was the edit mode one posted on WENB) that the DM cards are still in but didnt notice the marking card (vid doesnt show all the cards) perhaps 2nd demo on 14th might show us. failing that we might have to bug someone who's played review code :)

Yeah the next demo will be the 1st place to check

Ok, I started converting Vasco's Diego Souza. The stats were surprisingly satisfactory for me :shocking: Not underrated as I thought it would be!

Edit: "Plays One Twos" can be classified as the 1-touch play card, right?

Edit 2: And I also think that "Gets Into Opposition Area" can be the Extra Attacker card. What do you think?


Glad you found it good, if the player has good stats in FM then they usually get converted stats. The player card suggestions are good as well :)

[paul2478]

I have added a new link to the 1st post with v1.1 of the converter, the converter will now show Injury Rating for PES 2012 which now uses 1-3 instead of A-C

PES 2012/2011
1/C
2/B
3/A

[Parmar1993]

hi there, i found this on the internet and downloaded it. i have been looking for an up to date one and i am SO HAPPY to have founded this. Thank you so much.

also i have some suggestions to the blank Cards:

for Talisman: Work Rate, Teamwork and Influence 17+ (because they need to have a big influence on the team, work well with them and have a high WR to lead by example)

for 1-Touch Play: First Touch and Passing 17+ (first touch because it is 1 touch and passing cause they'll be using the card for passing mainly)

and for 1-on-1 Finish: Finishing and Composure 17+ (because they will need to be good finishers in general and have the composure to score in high pressure)

[vinnie07]

perhaps someone who played review code of PES2012 could post up rhe game's explanations of the player attributes and player index cards?

when you select a player's attribute in edit mode such as strength after a few seconds a yellow bar appears with details of what that attribute is used for.

simarly the player index section explains the use of the cards.

this level of information would be priceless to paul in developing the converter! it would certainly help to figure out the new attributes and this whole resistance 1-3 scoring has got me scratching my head.

[paul2478]

hi there, i found this on the internet and downloaded it. i have been looking for an up to date one and i am SO HAPPY to have founded this. Thank you so much.

also i have some suggestions to the blank Cards:

for Talisman: Work Rate, Teamwork and Influence 17+ (because they need to have a big influence on the team, work well with them and have a high WR to lead by example)

for 1-Touch Play: First Touch and Passing 17+ (first touch because it is 1 touch and passing cause they'll be using the card for passing mainly)

and for 1-on-1 Finish: Finishing and Composure 17+ (because they will need to be good finishers in general and have the composure to score in high pressure)

Good suggestions, glad you like the converter :)

perhaps someone who played review code of PES2012 could post up rhe game's explanations of the player attributes and player index cards?

when you select a player's attribute in edit mode such as strength after a few seconds a yellow bar appears with details of what that attribute is used for.

simarly the player index section explains the use of the cards.

this level of information would be priceless to paul in developing the converter! it would certainly help to figure out the new attributes and this whole resistance 1-3 scoring has got me scratching my head.

Would be great if someone could do this, I think I've worked out what the attack/defence resistance is. I believe it has replaced the S/OFF,OFF,BAL,DEF,S/DEF setting, splitting it into 2 stats of how likely a player is to attack & how likely they are to defend. At the moment I'm doing these manuallly.

[vinnie07]

So basically the main stats (29 or so I think) haven't changed? All that's happened is the injury proneness has gone from letters to numbers and the OFF, S/OFF etc has been moved to the ability sections and transformed into numbers too?

if so i can live that, and the converter is still fully usable! People will just need to advised to ues their own player knowledge?!

Few more questions for the discussion then, im confused by the use of word 'resisrance', does it mean that a player with a attacking resistance of 3 is unlikley to attack or does it mean he unlikley to defend? sorry but Konami have been using the stats in a positive context all these years but now theyve introduced a negative I dont know it's meant in a negative! I hope you know what I mean?!

Also it worth considering a rule that the resistance is scored based on positions? i.e. a CF who can play no other position is scored with attack resistance 3, a CF who san play CM is scored 2 and a CF who can play CB is scored 1?

[paul2478]

I think with this stats it will all have to be on personal knowledge of the player. 3 means they are likely to attack/defend, 2 sometimes attack/defend & 1 rarely attack defend.

As an example if you look at Rooney's stats in the demo he has a 3 for each rating.

[Parmar1993]

i've been doing the Attack/Defence awareness stats based on my knowledge of my players, while i've been playing FM i have been paying more attention cause i have a couple of strikers who like to get back to defend a bit more than others so they get a 2 on their defence stat for example.

also just as a note, i've found the overall defence stat (out of 99) is quite high on my players, i've had 3 of my players on 98 and above, so i subtracted 10 from each player. just thought you should know if you needed any corrections.

[vinnie07]

cheers parmer

Paul can you note that? Bearing in mind the PM I've just sent you, well need to take that into consideration, there's also the fact that Gortop's was not perfect for the PES heading stat and Ortegaz's wasnt spot on either, this is our main challenge!

All,

Making good progress with the converter! Still getting over my biggest challenge of calculating the best positions... all will become clear in due course but I'm sure you'll all love it :)

[Parmar1993]

I mean, for me I want a really accurate converter so my fm team can be as good as they are on fm, but not better cause it'll be so easy.

the team is top quality so making it better will be boring.

has anyone else got any more corrections for the converter, we still have a month before release day to perfect this!

[Marcus_PES]

I don't know why but it doesn't seem to work for me :/
I've downloaded the Genie Scout, and The Converter. But the FM Save Game doesn't open in the Genie Scout. Help Please?
:(

[paul2478]

cheers parmer

Paul can you note that? Bearing in mind the PM I've just sent you, well need to take that into consideration, there's also the fact that Gortop's was not perfect for the PES heading stat and Ortegaz's wasnt spot on either, this is our main challenge!

All,

Making good progress with the converter! Still getting over my biggest challenge of calculating the best positions... all will become clear in due course but I'm sure you'll all love it :)

Looking forward to seeing the changes

I mean, for me I want a really accurate converter so my fm team can be as good as they are on fm, but not better cause it'll be so easy.

the team is top quality so making it better will be boring.

has anyone else got any more corrections for the converter, we still have a month before release day to perfect this!

Once Vinnie has finished what he is doing I will make some tweaks & we should have a new version out

I don't know why but it doesn't seem to work for me :/
I've downloaded the Genie Scout, and The Converter. But the FM Save Game doesn't open in the Genie Scout. Help Please?
:(

Have you extracted the fm save using winRAR?

[Parmar1993]

okay that's great. I am going to go through all my players again just to make sure that everything is spot on cause then you can make a few more corrections.

and I will probably go on fm later and check stats and preferred moves in case I missed something the first time round.

really looking forward for the final one cause I know a couple of people that were interested in getting the converter. but they only really wanted a really accurate and complete converter that was fully updated to the new game.

[vinnie07]

Ok,

I've been working hard on this converter!

Here's a list of things ive done to it;

Rather than selecting different sheets depending on the players position in FM the converter will now calculate the players best position and also any secondry positions he could/should play. This means the whole converter will be on two excel worksheets.

I now have it calculating the players correct age, so long as users have their PCs/Laptops set to the right date format this will work! i'll give instructions on this on release.

I've added a few more aesthetics (background etc) so that in years to come we can keep it looking fresh.

Wait for it... here's the big one...
I now have the converter able to calculate a players FM preferred moves and tell us the player index cards for PES YEEEHAAAA. I'll finish this off tonight and that will only leave the stat calculations left to enter/workout

This is taking a little while guys because i've been using both Gortop's and Ortegaz's converter as a guide so I get it right!

Paul, could you (or anyone else) tell me the attack/defence calculations that you've found to work please?

Ideally i'd like to work on getting the converter to work out a players development curve but this could be a mission so i'll leave it for a while but keep thinking and working on it!

I'm loving it right now so stick with me and i'm sure you'll love what it's going to be like!

[vinnie07]

Oh and I say I've sorted the player index cards I mean the P cards as in, Track Back, Mazing Run etc NOT the S cards as in Roulette skills and scissor skills etc i cant find a way of using FM to make the players individual enough for these so this will probably have to be done using your own player knowledge!

Here's the basis I've done the player index cards on...

Classic No.10:
Dictates Tempo

Anchor Man:
Stays Back At All Times

Trickster:
Tries Tricks

Darting Run:
Gets Forward Whenever Possible & Pace Stat 15+

Mazing Run:
Dribbling Stat 17+

Pinpoint Pass:
Tries Long Range Passes & Passing Stat 15+

Early Cross:
UPDATE - When I search on Genie Scout with Stats of Crossing: 12 and Anticipation:12 I get around 4000 players out of a possible 300,000+. So, I think we should go with, PES Positions, RB,LB,RM,LM,RWF,LWF & SS that have ,FM stats of Crossing: 12 and Anticipation: 12, If you hate this idea then let me know ASAP!

Box to Box:
Work Rate Stat 17+

QUESTION FOR ALL - Do we think this card should be given to CFs, SSs? Or de we think that the tracking back card will be good enough? Could also include RWF/LWF in that question too!

Incisive Run:
Cuts Inside

Long Ranger:
Shoots Long

Enforcer:
Dives Into Tackles + Dirtiness Stat 12+ (such as Gattuso, McCulloch etc)

Goal Poacher:
Likes To Beat Offside Trap

Dummy Runner:
Looks For Pass Rather Than Score

Free Roaming:
Gets Forward Whenever Possible

Talisman:
Influence Stat 15+ (this includes the likes of Steven Gerrard)

Fox in the Box:
UPDATE - A player with CF either as his registered or secondary position who either, Plays With Back To Goal or Gets Into Channels

QUESTION FOR ALL - Let me know if you think this should be a CF who does both, Plays With Back To Goal AND Gets Into Channels

Offensive Fullback:
If RB and or LB as registered position and gets forward whenever possible

Track Back:
Comes Deep To Get Ball

1-touch play:
Plays One Twos

Outside Curve:
Uses Outside Of Foot

Long Throw:
Long Throws Stat 16+

Long Range Drive:
Shoots With Power (such as Nani & Rooney) + Shoots Long

Super-sub:
Versatility & Determination Stats 15+ (based on PES increasing this player's stats = the player wanting to try harder to impress)

[Marcus_PES]

A minute after i needed help it worked for me!
Thanks anyways :)

[vinnie07]

OK guys,

I've been looking at using FM to decide which PES S Cards (Roulette Skills, Scissor Skills etc) players should get and this is what I've come up with.

Tries To Play Out Of Trouble & Dribbling 12+
and/or
Tries Tricks & Dribbling 12+

This will give a box in the converter called "Flicks & Tricks".
If this box is highlighted this signifies that we need to give at least one of the S cards to that player. Again, it will probably have to be up to the individual user to decide which cards based on knowing the player at least a little or a certain amount of real thinking based the rest of the players stats.

This is because the PES dribbling Accuracy stat may not be the highest, and this could be correct, but the player is still silly enough to try things in defence or try to trick his way past defender but isn't actually good enough! I think this may actually give us some added realism if the individual user of the converter does it right and within reason!

[paul2478]

Sounds great Vinnie just a couple of suggestions from me :)

For Long Range Drive I would go with Long Shots rating 17+ as its how skilled they are.

Your suggestions for the skill cards (Roulette etc) sound good though personally I think these are best done manually.

With the Attack/Defence rating which one do you mean the old ones or the new awareness ones?

[peixe02]

I agree with Paul. For me, a player only deserves a P-Card (and a star behind his overall number) if he has a high stat like 17+

So, for example Darting Run, i think that the Pace stat should be 17+, the same for Pinpoint Pass.

As for the S-Cards, I don't think that there is a need for a very high stat, so 16+ for Long Throw seems about right for me.

Well, those are just my opinions anyway :D I started using Paul's converter a week or two ago, and I'm really anxious for this new version.

[vinnie07]

Sounds great Vinnie just a couple of suggestions from me :)

For Long Range Drive I would go with Long Shots rating 17+ as its how skilled they are.

Your suggestions for the skill cards (Roulette etc) sound good though personally I think these are best done manually.

With the Attack/Defence rating which one do you mean the old ones or the new awareness ones?

I agree with Paul. For me, a player only deserves a P-Card (and a star behind his overall number) if he has a high stat like 17+

So, for example Darting Run, i think that the Pace stat should be 17+, the same for Pinpoint Pass.

As for the S-Cards, I don't think that there is a need for a very high stat, so 16+ for Long Throw seems about right for me.

Well, those are just my opinions anyway :D I started using Paul's converter a week or two ago, and I'm really anxious for this new version.

Points taken on board boys, my only further thought on the cards is that the more variables you put in the more you narrow down which and how many players get those cards, all the time we see players in lower division able to shoot from range and do certain things but things like PES and FM put their overall stats down to make their team the underdog when they play the big boys, for me this is about the player, and if he is capable in real life them he should be via the converter too.

Uploading a zip file now lads ill send it to you both let me know what you think, and if you wnat me to tweak/do anymore with it. I'll be home from work at 14:00 GMT.

[peixe02]

When I receive the file I'll test it with some Brazilian players I know and are usually underrated in PES, so I can give you my thoughts :) But I'm sure it will be good, you are putting lots of efforts into it.

By the way, FM2012 is due to be released on 21 October 2011, not sure if you guys already knew it.

[vinnie07]

there are no "normal" stat conversions for dribbling etc, ive sent you it with as far as if got. So its just got the bits ive done on the cards, positions age and backgrounds etc. I need some pointers on the normal stats,

I'd like you both to endorse it thus far and i'll crack on with the other conversion calculations!

Thats ok about FM2012 the converter can easily be updated so long as not too much changes from FM2011, If it has then we can run with this on and give people a Genie Scout for FM11 that I have with a save game and then work on a new converter for later!!

You both now have PMs enjoy :)

Night :)

[peixe02]

I didn't receive any PM :mellow:

[vinnie07]

Hay p,

Really sorry mate i could have sworn that the message was sent beore i logged off and went to bed.

Ive got it back from Paul now and once ive had a look I'll send it you for testing! One or two things to get our heads round first,maybe you could help...

Attack/defence resistance stats any idea on the criteria we could use to calculate this?

I'm gonna crack on again when i get back from work later

Until then...

[vinnie07]

Ok had some free time today so this was a good day to get this to me :) First off it all looks great you have done a really good job. Here's what ive done to it 1st I removed the gridlines so you can see the back ground pictures & renamed the attacking positions to Free Role & Striker.

Then ive put in formulas based on the ones I was using into each section, I have missed out Attack & Defense as my brain isnt into working out th IF formulas dependant on position. This was why I originally kept the seperate sheets as the only difference on my spreadsheet was different formulas for Attack & Defence dependant on the position you clicked (apart from GK's).

I've also left Attack/Defence Awareness blank at the moment I just have no idea how to work this out well yet.

Finally the GK Skills rating will most likely need some kind of IF formula as well so it shows 50 unless the player is a GK.

I think some of the values are a bit high & will probably need tweaking but I was working of every FM value being 20 to give a PES rating of between 95 & 99. Let me know what you think :)

Thanks mate,
Firstly, I used the Fast Striker and Target striker because on Genie Scout these are listed with all of the other positions and so it thought that would make the conversion process a bit easier for people, we really need to make this as painless as possible! What's more for me a "free role" could be any of the attaching players so even a CM.

I think we should include this int he debate, guys what do we think?

I'll get cracking the attack/defence stats based on position now and then work out what other variables we may need to consider for these.

Let me know as far as youve got with the Attack/Defence awareness thing and we can bang our heads together on that once ive got to it.

Perhaps we'll need to have a GK spreadsheet of results and outfield player sheet? i'll take a look and see where i get to!

I also think the results are a bit high but i dont think we should base this on the PES overall score for the player, we should break it down and base it on converting the scores given to the player in FM and find out the equivalent in PES attribute by attribute. At the end of the day a player of 85 can be come a player of 82 just by changing his registered position in PES.

I'll take a look at it all and send it back to you at the end of the weekend. Got a PES tounament at a mates on sunday so could even be Saturday.

[vinnie07]

UPDATES as today goes on...

Ok forget that about the position thing, I've changed the converter to use the position ratings from the "Positions" tab of the genie scout screen.

We will need to use either our own knowledge of the player or use the position FM Genie Scout gives as the players registered position.

I've also now altered the Free Roaming Card to include the "Gets Into Opposition area" preferred move from FM.

[peixe02]

Maybe there's a way to calculate the Attacking/Defense awareness of a player according to his 'Positions' tab in Genie Scout? For example, Real Madrid's Marcelo:

Defender: 18
Wing Back: 20
Midfielder: 15
Attacking Midfielder: 16

So he has a high Attack and Defense Awareness. Now let's analyze Arbeloa:

Defender: 20
Wing Back: 10
Midfielder: 3

So Arbeloa has a high Defense awareness and a low Attack awareness.

I think that this can't be calculated in the converter, so it would be up to the person who is converting to check the player's position overview.

Edit: Or maybe checking the player's Positional Rating? I don't really know, I'm just throwing possibilities in this thread.

[vinnie07]

Good call peixe,

Keep making your suggestions mate, there all really helpful and while one of us is thinking of one thing another one us maybe thinking of another thing! So, its good to get this stuff recorded on here so that when we try to make it happen we bounce the ideas around!!

What did you think when you tried it?? :)

UPDATE

Attack & Defence stats sorted

Altered the Free Roaming card based on the registered position of the player and his preferred moves :)

Not entirely happy about the weak foot accuracy and weak foot usage being the same all the time, I'll investigate that and see what happens...

SORTED weak use accuracy and usage now based on the players creativity ;)

Attack/Defence Awareness next! I've had an idea based on peixe's idea let you all know how I get on! Watch this space... I'm loving this :)

[peixe02]

I haven't tried it yet, vinnie. You didn't send me the file :D

[vinnie07]

I haven't tried it yet, vinnie. You didn't send me the file :D

FFS i could have sworn i sent you two PMs?!

Ok I'll send you the file thus far soon... once I've inputted the calculations for the Attack/Defence Awareness, oh yeah baby you heard me right i've worked something out just have to see if it works :)

I've also added a better method for working out the players form too. Paul was right the stats look a bit over rated right now but that's easily sorted!

[peixe02]

Maybe all those calculations are messing with your mind :D

[vinnie07]

TWITCH who said that? is that ted? TWITCH

;)

[vinnie07]

I'm off to watch An Idiot Abroad 2 now so I'll continue again later and hopefully get the Attack/Defence Awareness scores done tonight.

So far my calculations are working, hopefully ready for a test at some point tomorrow.

Paul, if you can play with the draft version you've got to see if you can get the stats rated lower (more reasonable) let me know how you do and if you can sort something, post them up and I'll copy them in!

[paul2478]

Sounds like you have made alot of progress :D With the Fast/Target Striker I changed it as in FM/GEnie Scout 2011 when you click on the positions tab there is only striker, I think they took out the Fast/Target Striker & replaced them with Striker/Free Role from FM2010 onwards.

I will have a think about the stats, might need to create new formulas as with the current ones if I make them give lower readings the maximum ratings will be lowered as well. This might not be a bad thing though as it allows for player growth in ML/BAL. What do you think to the maximum for any single stat being 90 even if a player is rated 20 in FM???

[Parmar1993]

I like the idea of growth cause I am going to be using it for ml anyway. however from my point of view, my team will be my arsenal team in 2023 so they are all the best players in the world. so I would prefer if it was an accurate reflection of the player.

like one of my players that has had their stats converted has 20 and 18 for acceleration and pace respectively but only got low 90's for it (I think) so I think it needs to be something like if it 18-20 for a couple of stats that combine to make 1 pes stat. then it should be pushing the 95+ mark.

yeah it'll mean that the game will be a bit easier, however, it'll give a more accurate reading. but I know what you mean about lowering the ratings for player development in ml, I would just prefer the readings being as accurate as possible as opposed to underrating the player.

[vinnie07]

Yaek im with you on the positions, at least ive got that sorted so that not all opf the fileds have to completed, we can just put in numbers for the positions Genie scout gives us and thats in 1-20 scores now instead of % ratings

I have some calculations put aside from the converter i was originally working on that are a mix of Gortop's and Ortegaz's along with some of my own so i'll add them in today and see how i go!

As far as the Attack/Defence awrenesses go, my calculations work but i really need guidance on what they do. Perhaps someone could get some info from someone in the know and can provide an explanation as how the edit mode describes them? theres all sorts of ways we could get them calculate just need to know which way is the most relevant!

For info: It's looking like there will need to be a separate sheet for GKs, which is fine!

[vinnie07]

I like the idea of growth cause I am going to be using it for ml anyway. however from my point of view, my team will be my arsenal team in 2023 so they are all the best players in the world. so I would prefer if it was an accurate reflection of the player.

like one of my players that has had their stats converted has 20 and 18 for acceleration and pace respectively but only got low 90's for it (I think) so I think it needs to be something like if it 18-20 for a couple of stats that combine to make 1 pes stat. then it should be pushing the 95+ mark.

yeah it'll mean that the game will be a bit easier, however, it'll give a more accurate reading. but I know what you mean about lowering the ratings for player development in ml, I would just prefer the readings being as accurate as possible as opposed to underrating the player.


Parmar what you need to remember is that FM stats are based on opinion of the scout working for sports interactive and PES stats are based on the opinion of someone from Konami, essentially what were trying to do is combine the opinions of sports interactive and konami. What's more, the calculations of any converter are based on the opinion of the writer when he's deciding what FM stats are relevant to the respective PES stats.

When you ask people what FM stats should be used in PES again, your getting opinions again and well never have a converter because everyone thinks something slightly different.

When you take all of this into account you need to think of a converter as a guide not a exact converter!

As far as development works players in FM improve based on, age, training routines, experience and a whole load more. In previous PES games players improve or lessen based on age. This year the training in ML has changed slightly so well have to find out how that works before we play with it! For this reason i think a dev. curve addition to the converter cant be done just yet, although i bloody well want to try!

You also have to take into consideration that PES uses "form" to dictate a players stats for a game, a red up arrow increases the players stats by 10% or even more, cant remember now, this makes a exact converter difficult as well as a players stats effectively change all the time!

Based on all this ive now changed the name of the excel file from Stats converter to stat conversion guide :)

So when we do release it (even for testing) please think of it as a guide and then do what you want with the PES stats your given, don't take it as exact and then dislike it.

[vinnie07]

OK UPDATE,

I've got the Attack awareness working now. It will be dictated by the players position and the height of his attack stat. Different positions need different attack stats, so hopefully this will make the players more individual this way, i wanted to take preferred moves/index cards into consideration but this proved really difficult, however the player's attack/defence stats take this into account anyway.

Just got the Defence Awareness to do now and then i'll move on to sorting the general calculations to ensure players arent over rated!

I've also altered some of the index card calculations so that they take the player's positions into account so that we dont get CFs with the box-box card, they will now get the track back card instead!

laters, im off back into my hole :)

[Parmar1993]

good job! really looking forward to seeing the the updated version. I will do some tests with the original one just to see if it is all good.

once you've uploaded the updated one I will see if any minor fixes need to be made, although by the sounds of things, I dont think much will need to be changed.

[vinnie07]

good job! really looking forward to seeing the the updated version. I will do some tests with the original one just to see if it is all good.

once you've uploaded the updated one I will see if any minor fixes need to be made, although by the sounds of things, I dont think much will need to be changed.

Keep open minded mate! I am!!

Just done the defence awareness stat, like ive said there are lots of parameters that could have been taken into consideration but either my brain or excel wont have, probably both :)

Anyway, its done and its a guide just like the rest of the stats!

Ive altered the GK skills stat for the outfield players to say 50 for all of them except if the player is someone like Phil Jagielka (who has played in goal in the past) they will get 60.

I need to work on the rest of the stat calculations now then it should be ready for testing, while thats going on i'll start creating a separate sheet for the GKs. PHEW

[vinnie07]

can someone post up the colours PES gives to the injury,attack/defence,weak foot acc./weak foot use,form stats please?

[peixe02]

Injury:
- 1 - White
- 2 - Yellow
- 3 - Red

Attack/Defense Awareness:
- 1 - White
- 2 - Yellow
- 3 - Red

[vinnie07]

cheers peixe,

Things to do before testing:
A few aesthetics to be improved

IMO the attack defence stats need adjusting based on the player's registered position

alter the calculations for the rest of the stats

Once ive done the above, probably tomorrow, it should be ready for testing, i'll send it to paul first for his view let him post it up for general testing if he thinks it's ok!

No reason why this shouldnt be ready for UK release... fingers crossed!

rejoice people we have a converter, well, a conversion guide ;)

[lemonegasque]

Oh oh oh, big problem ! You're in trouble ! :hmm:

The program "FM to PES" was developed by Ortegaz, from CYPES ( http://CustomYourPES.com/Stats ).
For legal and copyright reasons, you have NO right to use FMtoPES without Ortegaz's approval !
You have much less right to MODIFY the program we created.

Something we didn't like was that you didn't even attributed FMtoPES to CYPES, the authors... :angry:


At least you could have asked. You know what ? The original creator is currently working on a new version called FMtoPES 2012, adapting the stats to the new PES stats. Please let him do. If you have comments or advices to help him, ok, I'm listening to you, but only he can modify his creation. ;)
Oh and you know what, there will be a topic to ask for stats. Meanwhile, DON'T use FMtoPES. There are laws, you'd better respect them ! :rolleyes:

[peixe02]

http://www.magspace.ru/uploads/2010/05/30/18341/magspace.ru_8_69.jpg

[lemonegasque]

Caricature isn't a correct answer. If you don't have any consideration towards laws, please at least respect the work of the others when they ask for it.

I'm not insulting you. Don't do so in return.

[peixe02]

I don't see it as a question of law, to be honest. What Vinnie and Paul have been doing lately are very different from what Ortegaz has done in the past... different calculations to suit the PES stats better, different ways to attribute cards to the players, Injury and Att/Def awareness, etc...

They may have used Ortegaz converter as a base (and they always said that they did use it), but now it's a different file. Something like the relation between Wii and PS Move.

And after all, they are both trying to help the PES community, not trying to earn money with the converter nor win a nobel prize for it. There is no need to call the Interpol.

[paul2478]

Just like to say I'm sorry if I offended anyone, In my my earlier adapdations of the editor it clearly has Ortegaz name in the file as well as a credit it was only with the latest version that his name isnt in the file name, but the credits still remain on the instruction page.

I always assumed that Ortegaz wasnt active any more as the editor was made for PES5 & has never been updated even though we have had new skill cards/stats in both PES & FM since then.

As peixe has said Vinnie has created a whole new converter that i've been helping him with which does not use the Ortegaz file in any way.

If Ortegaz wants to PM saying he's not happy with what I have done I will happily remove all links to the converter I edited even though what remains now from the original is basically just the layout :)

[paul2478]

Anyway onto some better news, below is a link to the all new converter that Vinnie has been working on. We would like you all to try it out & let us know what you think :) We know of a few errors but would like to see if there are any more before we change anything.

As will all converters they are best used as a guide, personally I compare converted stats to those on PSD to try & get a balanced outcome as well as personal knowledge of the player.

Anyway here's the link http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RSE7RVSZ

[vinnie07]

lemonegasque,

WHAT?

Dont you dare scuttle into here and tell us there's a copy right over a stats converter! Show me it! then maybe i'll show it to sports interactive and konami and the premier league etc etc!

take a look at the link above and tell ma whats the same?

if there is another converter in creation great! people can use the one they prefer! but dont start banging on about laws that dont exist.

paul and i both thought we (the community) needed a new converter so we made one! if truth be told ive never used the otegaz converter and had been working on a whole new converter before paul opened this thread. when he did we decided to work together.

besides where do you suppose the password came from to adjust the ortegaz original???

what you'll find in the link above is OUR ideas, OUR calculations and OUR philosophy.

enjoy :)

[peixe02]

The converter is looking great! :) I just think that the PES section background should be cleaner (like the FM section), the game cover makes the design looks 'heavy'.

I also have some doubts: in the FM section, how should I fill the Striker part? In Genie Scout we have Fast and Target strikers. Also, what do I put in Free Role?

Oh, and I also saw one little mistake: in the PES section, in Short Pass Accuracy, the 74 value is green, when it shouldn't have any color like the game.

And one more thing: Ganso "Tries killer balls often", but there isn't a box for this option in the converter. Is that right? And isn't the Player Index section working?

Otherwise, great work guys! The converter is turning out amazing!

Edit: I tried to convert Diego Souza and he has a 112 Shot Accuracy and a 120 Kicking Power. :D And he didn't have a registered position too.

[Parmar1993]

just had a little run through with it on a player and all i can say is... WOW! just wow.

you've done incredibly well to do all of this. i am so impressed and i am going to redo all my players because this is so comprehensive and from the player i've done, it's got all the positions i need, cards and styles are good.

the only question i have is how can i tick the preferred moves box because it is telling me that i can't.

[vinnie07]

The converter is looking great! :) I just think that the PES section background should be cleaner (like the FM section), the game cover makes the design looks 'heavy'.

I also have some doubts: in the FM section, how should I fill the Striker part? In Genie Scout we have Fast and Target strikers. Also, what do I put in Free Role?

Oh, and I also saw one little mistake: in the PES section, in Short Pass Accuracy, the 74 value is green, when it shouldn't have any color like the game.

And one more thing: Ganso "Tries killer balls often", but there isn't a box for this option in the converter. Is that right? And isn't the Player Index section working?

Otherwise, great work guys! The converter is turning out amazing!

Edit: I tried to convert Diego Souza and he has a 112 Shot Accuracy and a 120 Kicking Power. :D And he didn't have a registered position too.

hey man, thanks for feeding back :)

I take it you were trying this Diego Souza???

http://i53.tinypic.com/jsj3u0.jpg

when i tried this guy I got, Shot Accuracy: 80 and Kicking Power: 86

Have you been putting the numbers in right and not putting in 200 instead of 20? Either way I'll take a look at this and tell the excel file that a max value of 20 can be in-putted and no more!

comment by comment then;

for the positions use this screen from genie scout

http://i53.tinypic.com/16a1551.jpg

you'll find free and striker etc in here! the good thing with this screen is that you only get the position the player could play in so you don't need to waste time inputting position scores for positions that don't matter to that particular player. Also youll find the preferred moves in here too.

I'll take another look at the rules on colours and adjust them, it gets complicated at 13.00pm when the numbers overlap rule by rule ;)

Paul and i need to have a chat about the preferred moves, personally I think if we put them all on the converter and make them mean something then almost every player will have cards, we'll keep looking at this!

Ive changed the background on the PES page, could really do with some better ones. I've decided we need a GK page separately so need to find 2 suitable backgrounds, post up and ideas please people!!

Souza didn't have a registered position because the value of the Attacking Midfielder (Centre) and the Free Role are the same, this is where, for now at least, some knowledge of the player will have to come in. This one is easy because generally, the AM and "free role" are the same thing but for other players it will be different! Once testing is done and the file is released, there will be an instruction page to get through things like this but this is the point in testing, to find out what people need to know and what we need to fix!!

For now lower one of the scores of 20 to 19 and see what happens ;)

oh and the player index section is working, jsut click on the white boxthe tick box is in.

[vinnie07]

just had a little run through with it on a player and all i can say is... WOW! just wow.

you've done incredibly well to do all of this. i am so impressed and i am going to redo all my players because this is so comprehensive and from the player i've done, it's got all the positions i need, cards and styles are good.

the only question i have is how can i tick the preferred moves box because it is telling me that i can't.

Thanks parmar good to know you like it! :) I thought you might ;)

any way the tick boxes should just be a case of clicking on the white box with the text in it. I'll check with Paul and see if he has accidentally protected the cells.

[peixe02]

Yeah, that's the Diego Souza I was talking about. I must have done a mistake by accident :D

And yes, the cells are protected. There's no way to tick the boxes at the moment.

[vinnie07]

guys while i think about...

get the word passed around about this we need testers!!!

even if your mates arent on the boards get them on here and downloading or pass the file on to them we need opinions (HONEST AND REALISTIC ONES)

Looks like we got competition wanna make this work!!

I will announce now though, having not discussed it with Paul tehe

This conversion guide will be a constant work in progress, so even once it out en mass we/i will continue to refine it, that includes the development of using it to decide what skill cards to give players and working out the development curve etc!!

[luukzwaan]

I tried to do Mephis Depay (PSV Youngster) I got a defence rating of -13?!? and why isn't the imp. matches rating included in the converter (it's bit confusing cuz you have to skip one)

Edit: it's not clear how to insert the age (not a mayor point) genie scout uses for example 13.02.1994

[vinnie07]

Yeah, that's the Diego Souza I was talking about. I must have done a mistake by accident :D

And yes, the cells are protected. There's no way to tick the boxes at the moment.

ive sent you a PM mate take a look :)

I tried to do Mephis Depay (PSV Youngster) I got a defence rating of -13?!? and why isn't the imp. matches rating included in the converter (it's bit confusing cuz you have to skip one)

Edit: it's not clear how to insert the age (not a mayor point) genie scout uses for example 13.02.1994

ok luuk nice feedback sorry about that i'll take a look and get back to you!

Any other issues? apart from the tick boxes im checking on that too!

[luukzwaan]

Found nothing else. It looks very good! great work

edit if you searh pro evolution soccer 2012 on google images and only search large/big (don't know how that's translated) images. there are a lot of awesome ingame shots you could use as background.

[vinnie07]

ok ive moved the free role and striker boxes around. Also added Imp. matches

Luuk,

I think i may have sorted that formula. You should now get a stat of Defence: 13 for that youngster you tried.

I was trying to be too smart by adjusting the attack/defence stats by position

Found nothing else. It looks very good! great work

edit if you searh pro evolution soccer 2012 on google images and only search large/big (don't know how that's translated) images. there are a lot of awesome ingame shots you could use as background.

Ok brilliant thanks mate, did you try the tick boxes? some are saying they wont work for them im wondering if its the setup on people's laptops/PCs..could also be that im using excel from office 2010 and the compatibility mode might not work for some

[luukzwaan]

I'm using excel 2007 and i can't use the tick boxes.

[peixe02]

If luukz downloaded the file that Paul posted, then it is because the cells are protected in that file.

[vinnie07]

so yours are working then p?

[peixe02]

The preferred moves boxes in the one you send my by PM are working fine, and my Excel is also the 2007 version. That's why I think that the cells in Paul's file were protected.

[peixe02]

Ok, I am converting some Brazilian players...

I tried to convert Dedé, Vasco's center back who has been called for the national team recently. He is a good and young defender, and I believe he will be called many times more... but I don't think he deserves the 87 Defense stat he received after conversion :D

[vinnie07]

P, :)

lets not get into this one, remember I have adjusted the attack/defence stats following luuk's comments and ive got him on 85 defence, now you may not "agree" with it but thats why this is a conversion guide, its not an exact science, i would have look at every player and adjust evrything for all of them depending on all of the opinions that people have

lower it if you want but to be fair according to my FM11 genie scout, he looks good man!!

[luukzwaan]

can I have the version peixe has?

[peixe02]

I just found it strange because most of his stats are 13, and he has four 16: Jumping, Balance, Natural Fitness and Strenght.

I don't know which stats define his Defense in PES, so I assumed it would be Strenght (because Jumping and Balance has its own stats in PES). Than I did a simple calculation:

100 ______ 20
x ________ 16 x = 80

His others defensive stats include Marking (13) and Tackling (14), nothing that would give him a 87.

I'm only saying this because I don't know what calculations are involved in the converter. I wonder what Puyol's Defense stat would be in PES after the conversion, having in mind that his Marking is 17 and Tackling is 18.

But anyway, that was the only strange stat I found after 5 or 6 conversions. The other players have spot-on stats in PES :)

[vinnie07]

Ok, I tried converting Diego Souza again, and there were no over-99 values this time :D

I was also able to tick the preferred moves boxes this time. Diego Souza has "Gets Into Opposition Area", "Plays One Twos" and "Shoots with Power", and I checked them all. But all these moves only gave him the "1-Touch Play" card.

Attack and Defense awareness don't have any value too.


I don't know what's happened then mate, gets in opposition area should give him free roaming, plays one-twos should give him 1-touch play and shoots with power should increase his kicking power (if he had shoots long too, he would then get long range drive)

I've put his stats in and got free roaming and 1-touch play... curious

as for the attack defence awareness ive got Attack:3 Defence:2 try making sure he has a registered position if he doesnt these wont work. just adjust one of his positions down
He has Free Role 20 and Attacking Midfielder (Centre) 20, so he didn't receive a registered position.

Then I lowered his Free Role to 19. Suddenly the Att/Def awareness stats and Free Roaming card appeared...

there you ;)

Luuk i'll post up the one ive been updating all evening with the suggestion coming in!

[vinnie07]

I just found it strange because most of his stats are 13, and he has four 16: Jumping, Balance, Natural Fitness and Strenght.

I don't know which stats define his Defense in PES, so I assumed it would be Strenght (because Jumping and Balance has its own stats in PES). Than I did a simple calculation:

100 ______ 20
x ________ 16 x = 80

His others defensive stats include Marking (13) and Tackling (14), nothing that would give him a 87.

I'm only saying this because I don't know what calculations are involved in the converter. I wonder what Puyol's Defense stat would be in PES after the conversion, having in mind that his Marking is 17 and Tackling is 18.

But anyway, that was the only strange stat I found after 5 or 6 conversions. The other players have spot-on stats in PES :)

I did apply a small cavaet that i thought i would add to see if players attack/defence stats would adjust depending on their position and his fm stats but its obviously not working!

Ive removed this and i'll post one up that doesnt include it...

btw Dede now has 79 defence according to the new calculation

[luukzwaan]

I just found it strange because most of his stats are 13, and he has four 16: Jumping, Balance, Natural Fitness and Strenght.

I don't know which stats define his Defense in PES, so I assumed it would be Strenght (because Jumping and Balance has its own stats in PES). Than I did a simple calculation:

100 ______ 20
x ________ 16 x = 80

His others defensive stats include Marking (13) and Tackling (14), nothing that would give him a 87.

I'm only saying this because I don't know what calculations are involved in the converter. I wonder what Puyol's Defense stat would be in PES after the conversion, having in mind that his Marking is 17 and Tackling is 18.

But anyway, that was the only strange stat I found after 5 or 6 conversions. The other players have spot-on stats in PES :)

I always thought the defence and attack stats are more used for how attacking or defending a player plays. Not so much how good he is in it.

[peixe02]

I always thought the defence and attack stats are more used for how attacking or defending a player plays. Not so much how good he is in it.
That's defined with the Attacking/Defensive Awareness now, isn't it?

@Vinnie:

I was just pointing a thing that I found to be strange. As I don't know much about the calculations, it's up to you to analyze and see if it's right or if there is something wrong :)

79 is a good value, having in mind that he should receive upgraded stats in FM2012 (a year ago he wasn't even in the starting line-up, if I'm not mistaken).

[vinnie07]

I always thought the defence and attack stats are more used for how attacking or defending a player plays. Not so much how good he is in it.

yeh thats why i thought i would include the position in the calculation. it doesnt work though things just double up which then screws it up

That's defined with the Attacking/Defensive Awareness now, isn't it?

@Vinnie:

I was just pointing a thing that I found to be strange. As I don't know much about the calculations, it's up to you to analyze and see if it's right or if there is something wrong :)

no worries mate keep the comments/suggestions coming

[vinnie07]

ok here's a new version of the conversion guide

<to follow>

REMEMBER:
The player will need a registered position for the Attack/Defence Awareness to work so if 2 of the position scores in FM are the same, simply reduce one of them by 1 and this will then work!

also please dont worry about the gK sheet, im working on this as we speak

[paul2478]

Ok guys great feedback, I cocked up sorry & protected all the cells which stopped the prefered moves from working here's a new link to the file where they work http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0QSQ310L also dont forget that their are links in the 1st post to Genie Scout & a full FM save game :)

Just to clear up with the Attack/Defence rating heres my understanding of the stats. The Attack/Defence ratings are to do with a players positioning when attacking or defending the new Attack/Defence Awareness stats are how likely the player is to attack or defend kind of replacing the old OFF/BAL/DEF but with more variables. These stats will always be the hardest to work out as just because a player is a CF doesnt mean he doesnt defend or isnt good at it with the reverse true of a Defender. We will keep working on them & hopefully a few more people will test this out. Cheers guys :)

[vinnie07]

ignore this one

[vinnie07]

I tried to do Mephis Depay (PSV Youngster) I got a defence rating of -13?!? and why isn't the imp. matches rating included in the converter (it's bit confusing cuz you have to skip one)

Edit: it's not clear how to insert the age (not a mayor point) genie scout uses for example 13.02.1994

luuk,

the age thing needs to be communicated to users!

Well have to give instructions on how to do this, but basically you need to change the way your PC/Laptop expresses the current date.

It will will probably express today's date in 28/09/2011 we all need to change it to express it in 28.09.2011 otherwise the age thing wont work in excel.

this though is a small point as the age of the player wont be an issue for evryone. Once the file is fully ready we'll include some instructions to get people going!

[vinnie07]

Hi all i'm going to add these preferred moves from FM

Like To Beat Man Repeatedly
Marks Opponent Tightly
Runs With Ball Down Left
Runs With Ball Down Right
Tries Killer Balls Often
Tries Long Range Freekicks
Avoids Using Weaker Foot
Arrives Late in Opposition Area

Once i've done this, and looked at the whther or not GK stats can be done on the same PES sheet i'll stick another draft to see how it fairs :)

Ive changed the backgorund too

[Marcus_PES]

Sorry for being such a pain Paul,
but is there any chance that you could put the converter on Zoho Spreadsheet? My Excel doesn't work :/

[paul2478]

Sorry for being such a pain Paul,
but is there any chance that you could put the converter on Zoho Spreadsheet? My Excel doesn't work :/

Probably not sorry Marcus, have you tried downloading Open Office (its free) & opening it with that??

[paul2478]

Ok time for you all to test another version :D Vinnie has been busy tweaking as he posted earlier & I have added the formulas to the new GK sheet, any feedback let us know, but I think as a guide its probably only one for revision from being complete.

Also I have added a reset button to the FM sheet so when you want to create a new player everything goes back to default

Download it here http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1ND8FJIQ

[Marcus_PES]

Probably not sorry Marcus, have you tried downloading Open Office (its free) & opening it with that??

yeah i have, but it says i've downloaded that many they dont work on my computer anymore or something like that.. gutted :/

[luukzwaan]

It might just be my excel settings but some of the preferred moves don't fit in the box? And i think all the boxes and the text in it are small.. on the fm page i mean

[vinnie07]

cheers luuk we'll take a look at this but, ive got my zoom set to 80% one we could try is to shorten the name of the foe some of the move by removing words like tries and likes, just dont want to create confusion though

[luukzwaan]

No if you don't have the problem yourself keep it this way. if you leave out words it could become confusing as you said

[vinnie07]

ok dude agreed!

take a look at your settings and play around with hiding the formula bar and the headings then try zooming in

see british gouvernment? consultation works! :)

anyway ive been working on the GKs sheet a little just to tighten things up. Paul let me know if theres anything you insist on not changing.

All,
i'll assume the outfielders sheet is fine as not many points have come back! on the GKs what do think about including preferred moves? Personally i think it may create some individualism but dont agree with GKs getting player index cards so i can use preferred moves to dictate stats instead, thoughts? Also, are there any PES stats that we dont need to calculate? i.e. PSD give all GKs the same rating for certain things. Do u want us to do that?

Oh and can someone recommend a young GK, a pen/FK taking GK and a GK who has preferred moves in FM pleas? I can obviously search for these but if people know what im looking at the conversations become easier!

happy editing

[peixe02]

Pen/FK Taking GK should be São Paulo's Rogério Ceni. He scored more than 100 goals already.

[vinnie07]

he was the 1st guy that came to my mind but was convinced he retired for some reason

[paul2478]

ok dude agreed!

take a look at your settings and play around with hiding the formula bar and the headings then try zooming in

see british gouvernment? consultation works! :)

anyway ive been working on the GKs sheet a little just to tighten things up. Paul let me know if theres anything you insist on not changing.

All,
i'll assume the outfielders sheet is fine as not many points have come back! on the GKs what do think about including preferred moves? Personally i think it may create some individualism but dont agree with GKs getting player index cards so i can use preferred moves to dictate stats instead, thoughts? Also, are there any PES stats that we dont need to calculate? i.e. PSD give all GKs the same rating for certain things. Do u want us to do that?

Oh and can someone recommend a young GK, a pen/FK taking GK and a GK who has preferred moves in FM pleas? I can obviously search for these but if people know what im looking at the conversations become easier!

happy editing

I'm happy for you to change anything you like, but I would say that I dont like the way PSD gives all goalies the same rating for shot acc, fk's etc I like giving them more individual stats.

[Marcus_PES]

Hi paul, I downloaded Open Office, and it worked thanks for the help :)
Wanna ask you a question though. Do you mind if i use your converter and post player stats onto the PES 2012 Editing and Option Files forum? I just thought i should probably have your permission being that it is you amazing converter :)
Cheers

[paul2478]

Hi paul, I downloaded Open Office, and it worked thanks for the help :)
Wanna ask you a question though. Do you mind if i use your converter and post player stats onto the PES 2012 Editing and Option Files forum? I just thought i should probably have your permission being that it is you amazing converter :)
Cheers

Glad you got it working :) Post upany stats you like thats why we have made the converters so people can create & share their own stats

[hawaiiom]

please stas for ronaldinho henry beckham

[vinnie07]

I knew that would happen!

hawaiiom,

sorry mate this isnt a request thread! im sure there will be quite a few soon. or you could PM marcus

Paul,

we must be doing alright here mate, no comments...

[paul2478]

Yeah looks like it mate :)

@hawaiiom I will most likely do them & post them up on PEC once ive finished the Bundesliga players as I will want them in my game

[vinnie07]

Shameless bump :)

Wanna keep this thread visible!

I'm hoping our work will help the OF creators :)

[paul2478]

Another shameless bump :)

But I have updated the 1st post :D

[vinnie07]

Nice!!!

been alot recently (rather popular event kicking in London next summer so works gonna get busier soon) but will finish reviewing the GK sheet by end of week and we should be done, fingers crossed.

Pwhile im tucked up in my bed and in between barbies :) can you think about any instructions we need to include in file? just to iron out any what ifs!

if anyone who has tested the conversion guide feels any written guidance shoulfd be supplied to help people let us know ASAP please.

hoo roo

[Parmar1993]

the converter is working well, i've used it for quite a lot of players and i haven't found any flaws.

and you've still got a week before the UK release, so you're good for time.

[vinnie07]

MAJOR bump! :)

99% done just a few last checks...

WHOOO HHOOOOO

[daimpa]

I think that stats are lower-rated, don't you think the same?
Look at what happens with Pirlo, for example...

[paul2478]

Ok Vinnie has been busy updating the conversion guide & you can now all download v3 here http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YEEAFHJU

Let us know what you think :)

[Chaosraiden]

Everything looks okay as far as I'm concerned. Will give it a try in a minute :)

[vinnie07]

lets know what you think mate

[G1996]

i think for a convertor to pes 2012 i should wait till fm 2012 file is out.
cause for example pes 2012 gives dries mertens 80 points. converts it from fm 2011 it is only 70. he growed very hard last year.

[Marcus_PES]

Paul, can you post another link to the Draft1 Converter please it doesn't work at the moment :)

Also, whenever i open one of the new converters (draft 2 and 3) on open office, they close the page immediately, it says something like "this application has requested the run time to terminate it in an unusual way" And it's starting to really annoy me.

Help Me Please!

[paul2478]

Paul, can you post another link to the Draft1 Converter please it doesn't work at the moment :)

Also, whenever i open one of the new converters (draft 2 and 3) on open office, they close the page immediately, it says something like "this application has requested the run time to terminate it in an unusual way" And it's starting to really annoy me.

Help Me Please!

Will take a look for you & see what I come up with, it could be because the new file uses macros that are not compatible with open office

[eljulio]

Any chance on someone posting a FM2012 save game, the 2011 one you posted up more or less helped me do all my created teams but some players aren't in it so would be very much appreciated.

[paul2478]

Any chance on someone posting a FM2012 save game, the 2011 one you posted up more or less helped me do all my created teams but some players aren't in it so would be very much appreciated.

I will post one up as soon as the new version of genie scout is out. 2012 save files wont work with the current version of genie scout, it could be a long wait as last year genie scout wasnt released until january

[wwefan]

I will post one up as soon as the new version of genie scout is out. 2012 save files wont work with the current version of genie scout, it could be a long wait as last year genie scout wasnt released until january

How can i get this to work on mac Paul ? Any help would be appreciated.

[paul2478]

How can i get this to work on mac Paul ? Any help would be appreciated.

If you mean Genie Scout then you can try this http://www.winehq.org/ its called Wine & it allows you yo use Windows software on a mac. I dont know any more about it but it might be worth a try :)

[iPan]

How can i get this to work on mac Paul ? Any help would be appreciated.

try from this link
http://www.fmscout.com/q-2550-Getting-Genie-Scout-to-work-with-Mac.html

[Marcus_PES]

Paul, I need help!

The FM Save Game no longer works on the FM 2011 Genie Scout.

I Have dowloaded the new Genie Scout (FM 2012), but cannot find a save game to open on it.

Have you got or know where I can find a Save Game for the FM 2012 Genie Scout?

Please Get Back To Me ASAP!

Cheers.

[paul2478]

Paul, I need help!

The FM Save Game no longer works on the FM 2011 Genie Scout.

I Have dowloaded the new Genie Scout (FM 2012), but cannot find a save game to open on it.

Have you got or know where I can find a Save Game for the FM 2012 Genie Scout?

Please Get Back To Me ASAP!

Cheers.

Didnt know the new version of genie scout was avaliable, so thanks for letting me know it is. I will try & borrow the FM2012 & create a save game file & post it up :)

[paul2478]

I've added download links for Genie Scout 12 & a full FM2012 save game to the 1st post :) The save file contains every league & player that is in FM2012, so if they arent in the file, they are not in the game. Let me know if there are any problems, enjoy

[Bm1874]

Great Paul can't wait to get new stats. BM

[luukzwaan]

this is great news! Nothing changed that will influence the converter?

[peixe02]

Great, I was waiting for the 2012 save! I'll have a look at the Brazilian players that were amazing in this year, like Leandro Damião and Montillo.

[vinnie07]

any problems with the new file on the converter let us know!!

There shouldn't be any changes though...

peixe02 i need some advice, im looking to base copy good south american players over my classic players can you give me suggestions please? There are 60 classic players to copy over but you dont need to suggest that many mate lol

[peixe02]

peixe02 i need some advice, im looking to base copy good south american players over my classic players can you give me suggestions please? There are 60 classic players to copy over but you dont need to suggest that many mate lol
By "South American players" you mean players that are currently in South American teams?

Then have a look at this Wikipedia's article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_Libertadores_2011#Player_ of_the_week

There are 15 different players that were elected Player of the Week in this year's Libertadores. Some of them aren't in their clubs anymore (like Lucas Pratto and Thiago Ribeiro), but it's a start :D

Also, their stats shouldn't be any good in PES, so it would be nice to test the converter on these players :)

[peixe02]

By the way, Megaupload sucks. I still didn't download the file because of "Download limit exceeded".

[vinnie07]

By "South American players" you mean players that are currently in South American teams?

Then have a look at this Wikipedia's article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_Libertadores_2011#Player_ of_the_week

There are 15 different players that were elected Player of the Week in this year's Libertadores. Some of them aren't in their clubs anymore (like Lucas Pratto and Thiago Ribeiro), but it's a start :D

Also, their stats shouldn't be any good in PES, so it would be nice to test the converter on these players :)

By the way, Megaupload sucks. I still didn't download the file because of "Download limit exceeded".

That's brilliant thanks for the info mate

I'll definitely take a look at that,I think it might be nice to have some players base copied at random too so ill look at that link and search elsewhere as well as take a look at FM to identify some players then just random select some

btw are you trying to download more than one thing at a time from megaupload? unless your a registered user/member you wont be able to download more than one at a time.

[wwefan]

I've been working on a new FM to PES converter that works with the new stats in PES2012. It's still a work in progress at the moment, I need to work on the att/def awareness stats mainly but it might take until PES2012 is released to fix it when I can see exactly what those stats are (im guessing its to do with positioning). Anyway below are some download links for you all to give it a try.

Genie Scout 12 http://www.fmscout.com/a-fm-genie-scout-12.html
FM2012 Save Game http://www.megaupload.com/?d=T7YNMUNH

Genie Scout 11 http://www.fmscout.com/a-fm_genie_scout_11.html
FM2011 Save Game http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AKT278WN

Converters
New converter by Vinnie & me v1 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RSE7RVSZ
New converter by Vinnie & me v2 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1ND8FJIQ
New converter by Vinnie & me v3 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YEEAFHJU
Old converter by me (based on old Ortegaz file) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DJ7O5MEL

All you need to do is download the 3 files, extract the fm save using winRAR, install genie scout & use it to open the save file & search for players. Enter the stats into the converter.

We would like to hear any feedback :)

Thanks for the link on how to use on a mac. You sir are a legend. thank you. do you have any formula for the converting index ? I want to make the converter in numbers on my mac. Any help would be appreciated.

[Djakupi]

Classy, you just helped me create BATE :D thanks

[paul2478]

Added new download links as Megaupload has been shut down

[ronystan]

good job sir paul!!
#prayformegaupload

[Bm1874]

can someone convert these stats?
Eoin Doyle 23 year old striker 1.88 tall, plays for hibs

http://i43.tinypic.com/o9lukp.png


unfortunately I cant use the editor due to software problems. anyone who can is a hero.

BM

[luukzwaan]

Hi Vinnie and Paul.

Let me first say that I'm using your converter a lot and I LIKE IT! It's really really great!

I only have one thing i thought i'd mention. The Defence stat seems to be very low most of the times. Not only with Attackers. but also with CB's. Do you know of this problem? Really it's not a big problem when the player also is on PSD cuz i use the attack and defence stats from there. But when the player isn't on PSD it becomes a problem. Maybe you could have a look at this? Ormaybe i'm just bitching about a problem that really can't be sorted...

Greetings guys!

[vinnie07]

Luuk,

As we've said before the convertor is a guide more than a straight converter, however i noticed a few things when using it myself.

For example, kicking power and strength are lower when converted than i would expect from looking solely at the FM stats. Anyway, I'm sure Paul will agree but ANYTHING can be fixed and refined.

The secret of the converter is that it uses raw data from the entries the user inputs when using FM. Essentially the converter can be used to make say, yourself that's, the beauty of it! Score yourself against FM and away you go :)

Because it is raw data, that 'input' data can be manipulated anyway the user sees fit. At the same time the calculations can be manipulated to give us any 'output' data we see fit as well as just being a guide.

I hope you understand what I mean?!

I will be looking at the converter at some point to refine it! Now that we have a better understanding of the new stats in PES and how they dictate a player's behaviour / skills. Also the new genie scout has been altered slightly from last year which is what the converter was designed to use. Therefore, I am suggesting that some of us come together, not just myself and Paul to discuss who we make it work more appropriately, for PES2013.

I create lots of teams and players each year as does Paul in his OFs. Luuk, you have shown an excellent understanding of the PES world (stats, formations etc) I think we perhaps need one or two more who have a knowledge of creating players, a) for realism, not just for the hell of it and b) are brave and sensible enough to say 'actually I think this guy is too good' or 'that guy isn't good enough'.

I'm thinking someone like Goalgerd, or Glen, or the ideal being chimps-with-quiffs, the converter this year at least, opposes what he has been doing with player stats in the file he's been involved in!

Perhaps we could do it in a closed thread of some sort? I'm not sure what the rules say about this!?

Whatever happens, the next converter will need longer, more extensive and deliberately targeted testing to iron this kind of thing out.

[luukzwaan]

I had some spare time and was studying the ratings from FM. And i found something strange.

I was trying to understand the different colors used.

red = bad
blue = no good
yellow = average
orange = good
green = Very good

That one is obvious.

The strange thing is that sometimes for a player 18 is green and sometimes its orange.

For example Ji-Sung Park has a imp. matches rating of 17 and it's green
Messi has a imp. matches rating of 18 and that one is orange??

I don't understand this. Anyone knows more about this?

The reason I looked at this is to see if there can be a connection between the colors used in PES.

[paul2478]

I had some spare time and was studying the ratings from FM. And i found something strange.

I was trying to understand the different colors used.

red = bad
blue = no good
yellow = average
orange = good
green = Very good

That one is obvious.

The strange thing is that sometimes for a player 18 is green and sometimes its orange.

For example Ji-Sung Park has a imp. matches rating of 17 and it's green
Messi has a imp. matches rating of 18 and that one is orange??

I don't understand this. Anyone knows more about this?

The reason I looked at this is to see if there can be a connection between the colors used in PES.

I think its just a bug in Genie Scout that means sometimes the colours are wrong, although it could also be position dependant. Most likely a bug though ;)

[Eisuke]

Hey,

Could someone make a OpenOffice-Version of this converter, because actually version doesn't work on my pc. :/

[vinnie07]

Hey,

Could someone make a OpenOffice-Version of this converter, because this version doesn't work on my pc. :/

that's a great shout!!

Paul do you know how to do this? I don't have a clue...

If not I may know someone who can help.

[paul2478]

that's a great shout!!

Paul do you know how to do this? I don't have a clue...

If not I may know someone who can help.

Yeah it would be good, but I dont know how to do it :) Maybe we could try saving it in Excel as a 97-2003 worksheet then it should work with open office. The other option for you Eisuke is to use the older converter that I made using the Ortegaz file as a base as I know that works with open office.

**edit**

I saved the file as a 97-2003 worksheet, give it a try Eisuke & if it works I will add the link to the 1st post. I'm not confident as it did give me a few errors when I saved it http://www.4shared.com/office/igCZIPvh/draft3FM---PES_Stat_Conversion.html

[Eisuke]

[...]
**edit**

I saved the file as a 97-2003 worksheet, give it a try Eisuke & if it works I will add the link to the 1st post. I'm not confident as it did give me a few errors when I saved it http://www.4shared.com/office/igCZIPvh/draft3FM---PES_Stat_Conversion.html

It seems, that it works, but i can't test it.
I have downloaded the new Genie Scout 12 and now the GS has a problem with the banner, so he opens over 1000 IE windows and my Netbook "dies".
Damn! A higher force don't let me work with the Converter & Genie Scout. :D :D :D

[JuanDevil]

Hello what is the program I use to open Converters?

[paul2478]

Hello what is the program I use to open Converters?

Microsoft Excel for the newer one, but the older one should work with any program that can open Excel files such as Open Office

[Pompey Fan]

Can someone do me Portsmouth's stats please as my laptop can't run this!

:(