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BigstickRic
13-09-2011, 22:13
Is this a really cruel joke? :angry:
MozzyEng
13-09-2011, 22:20
Nope its on. Me dloadin to
sgmullins
13-09-2011, 22:37
Yeah me too. I only 11% though.
TRUEBLUEs 44
13-09-2011, 22:37
im download two..... early
MozzyEng
13-09-2011, 22:38
Taking a while though. Tried fifa demo before, Utter shite.
Was just gonna turn Xbox off and saw pes 12 demo :)
Holy hell thought this was a joke, but it's true!
Mental, just started downloading, not sure if this is good or bad as it now means I'm probably going to be up till about 4am :D
TRUEBLUEs 44
13-09-2011, 22:56
taking long time but my 30% download
taking long time but my 30% download
I'm on 80% will post when I play
American psn has put the first demo up lol
TRUEBLUEs 44
13-09-2011, 23:12
I'm on 80% will post when I play
my 50% now
TRUEBLUEs 44
13-09-2011, 23:24
Gotcha
you play now it a big demo....
Had 1st game beat rangers 4-2 with inter on proffessional early thoughts game play smashes FIFA and pes 6 easily amazing ai negatives graphics well worse than 2011 although might be shinier in full game also the xbox version defo stutters in framerate all in all a masterpiece by see bass this year
MysteryMan
14-09-2011, 00:12
how is it compared to the 1st demo, which issues have been resolved?
how is it compared to the 1st demo, which issues have been resolved?
Shooting fixed passing fixed keepers fixed but animations not to good but overall great game it plays like pes 6 but unfortunately looks like it to but a great game
Tried to download but said it couldn't think I'll just wait till the morning.
PESFan92
14-09-2011, 00:37
Tried to download but said it couldn't think I'll just wait till the morning.
That happended to my mate when he downloaded the FIFA demo. He had to free up some space on his HD. Im on 85% now.
Ive got 6 gigs of free space.
sgmullins
14-09-2011, 00:39
Can we still assign counter attack to the x button or for instance cb overlap to any of the remaining 3 buttons. I just can't see how to do it. Help appreciated
Sorry keepers still bad but heard they will be tweaked again in full version with a patch
What I posted just now somewhere else, my quick and early thoughts before I head to bed, I'll post properly tomorrow though:
So just finished my first game and I lost 4-1 to Rangers as Spurs, didn't expect that.
Overall I'll say this, I've just had more fun in one game than I did in the 10/15 games I played today on the Fifa demo. I don't want to start comparing the two though, they're both looking very good. Personally this is looking amazing.
The new player movement system is simply outstanding and has just changed everything. I used it during a throw pulling a player close in and the defender followed me and I held him off and got the trip for a freekick, these things simply weren't possible before and it's such an amazing and fresh addition.
I need to play more, but so far the dribbling system looks brilliant, the quick burst of pace is fantastic for people like Bale, tough to use but I pulled it off once and it looked fantastic.
Most importantly, it's just like the classic Pro has always been, so fun, so enjoyable, so exciting, so rewarding. Rangers go 1-0 up with a beauty into the bottom corner...well we fire back minutes later, Lennon breaks down the right and puts in a low cross and Defoe scrambles to the ball and it somehow sneaks into the goal...that goal felt so real, just how you see things happen in real football, not a screamer, but a proper strikers goal that was scraped and hard fought, a goal like Defoe would score in real life and when it happens, it feels great, that's the joy of Pro right there.
Game is looking like a real challenge too, the player movement system is going to take a while to master...what are you guys using it on? Auto or Manual and which is better? Mastering that will take a while but be so rewarding.
Overall I'm over the moon so far, but I need to play more. Going to have one last game and head off to bed, so I'll play properly tomorrow and get more thoughts on it then. So far, massive thumbs up.
Been playing more I can't believe how good this game is think of the first demo and add 80% better also graphics fine in day mode just night mode looks a bit naff
anyone know if its out on ps3 yet?
I am downloading the fifa 12 demo from the US ps3 store. I cannot find the pes 12 demo from the US store and we know that the UK store will put both demos up by 5 pm UK time.
Did anyone find the ps3 demo of pes 12?
USA store put up the first instead of the 2nd but it's up now in the Japanese store
i just played two games of winning 11 demo ver2, and its quite good compared to pes2012 demo 1
Cristiano92
14-09-2011, 08:54
Downloading Version 2. from Japanese Store at the moment!
Just played the Japanese version ps3 konami what have you done this game is a monster best football game ever no stuttering like the xbox version and feels better paced than the xbox to keepers have came in for a lot of stick but are good coming off their line amazing game can't wait for full release pes 5 and 6 now redundant thank you
okay,just used spurs vs inter, and i absolutely loved it, vdv was awesome, however the goalie seems kinda off, took a free kick from like 35 yards and powered it straight at him, but he pushed it straight into the mix,hope its just a one time thing
sweetmusicman
14-09-2011, 09:07
Link to download please??????????
Cristiano92
14-09-2011, 09:08
Can'T wait to play with my Bayern at the Allianz Arena :)
TRUEBLUEs 44
14-09-2011, 09:10
i download pes 12 demo last night on Xbox 360..... it took along time to download must be alot on last night took 2 hours...
Played the Demo My thought of it was Great..... Game play on pes is much better than fifa 12 demo
now lets hope konami doesn't go ape shit and change the game when the demo is decent *cough pes2011*
when will it be on PSN? only demo 1 showing so far
Cristiano92
14-09-2011, 10:00
PSN-Europe will be updated 5pm UK Time
Great. Then straight home from school and download it immediately
Anfieldd
14-09-2011, 10:30
Please link for PS demo2.
Cristiano92
14-09-2011, 10:32
you can get the PC-Demo here.
http://www.prorevo.de/blog/2011/pes-2012-demo-ii-jetzt-fuer-xbox-verfuegbar/
skickahit10
14-09-2011, 11:12
you can get the PC-Demo here.
http://www.prorevo.de/blog/2011/pes-2012-demo-ii-jetzt-fuer-xbox-verfuegbar/
Direct link (for PC) here:
http://dl.pes2012demo.konamionline.co m/pes2012demo/0ef4aea8d4307880c970204c28d7af 48/PES2012DEMO2.zip
skickahit10
14-09-2011, 12:55
Direct link (for PC) here:
http://dl.pes2012demo.konamionline.co m/pes2012demo/0ef4aea8d4307880c970204c28d7af 48/PES2012DEMO2.zip
Download goes mad slow for me and gets interrupted all the time.....! :(
Anyone else having the same problem?
I'm trying this torrent instead: http://bit.ly/qfeeLS
Zorac1979
14-09-2011, 13:18
yeh it starts off wuite fast then at about 0.4 gb slows to a crawl, but a lot of ppl will be downloading the same file so it's going to be slow
PESFan92
14-09-2011, 14:02
Am I the only one slightly disappointed by the new PES2012 demo?
It's a good demo don't get me wrong, It's by far the best PES on the next gen console. I just feel though the goalkeepers have not been improved from last year, the ball seems to beat the keeper to easily, tame shots spilled, ball under keepers body, etc..
I like the shooting, its good, not great but good and improved. AI seems like the have been TWEAKED ONLY A BIT. I can't help but notice how the AI seem to do stupid things, dribbling past defenders seems to easy now. I was able to dribble past 3 or 4 Inter defenders with Naismith.
It was hyped up so much before the demos were released, I just don't think its lived up to its expectation, which is a shame, because I really thought the demo would be amazing but its just another "Better than before" PES Game.
Am I the only one slightly disappointed by the new PES2012 demo?
It's a good demo don't get me wrong, It's by far the best PES on the next gen console. I just feel though the goalkeepers have not been improved from last year, the ball seems to beat the keeper to easily, tame shots spilled, ball under keepers body, etc..
I like the shooting, its good, not great but good and improved. AI seems like the have been TWEAKED ONLY A BIT. I can't help but notice how the AI seem to do stupid things, dribbling past defenders seems to easy now. I was able to dribble past 3 or 4 Inter defenders with Naismith.
It was hyped up so much before the demos were released, I just don't think its lived up to its expectation, which is a shame, because I really thought the demo would be amazing but its just another "Better than before" PES Game.
Hmmm, doesn't fill me with hope. I didn't like the last demo.
If you had to give each demo a score out of 10, what would you give?
wallpaper_01
14-09-2011, 14:09
Am I the only one slightly disappointed by the new PES2012 demo?
It's a good demo don't get me wrong, It's by far the best PES on the next gen console. I just feel though the goalkeepers have not been improved from last year, the ball seems to beat the keeper to easily, tame shots spilled, ball under keepers body, etc..
I like the shooting, its good, not great but good and improved. AI seems like the have been TWEAKED ONLY A BIT. I can't help but notice how the AI seem to do stupid things, dribbling past defenders seems to easy now. I was able to dribble past 3 or 4 Inter defenders with Naismith.
It was hyped up so much before the demos were released, I just don't think its lived up to its expectation, which is a shame, because I really thought the demo would be amazing but its just another "Better than before" PES Game.
Unfortunately when you release a game every year this is what happens. legendary games take years to complete. Maybe Konami should take a year out and develop for the Xbox 720, and make a game that would blow us all away! ... But we all know this business is about money... FIFA, PES, COD churned out every year with little improvements but hyped up so we spend our money on them. Im sure it will be good, but I would be happy waiting 2 years for something amazing for the next console!
PESFan92
14-09-2011, 14:16
Hmmm, doesn't fill me with hope. I didn't like the last demo.
If you had to give each demo a score out of 10, what would you give?
I'm not sure really, there are some things I really like about it, but also some things I hate about it which have been around for years. At the moment, I would give it a 6.5. Where I've been playing the FIFA demo, scoring on the PES demo just seems 100x more easier, I don't know if thats because its so much more harder to score on FIFA now or what but thats my opinion. You can still have alot of fun on PES but truthfully after about 4 games, I had to switch to FIFA
wallpaper_01
14-09-2011, 14:20
Doesnt sound great :( I really liked demo 1 when playing against a friend so it must be a little better than that! Demo 1 was better than FIFA 11 IMO.
PESFan92
14-09-2011, 14:22
FIFA 11? FIFA 12 you mean lol. I think I need more time on PES. Also I noticed Defoe's overal was 74 as an SS and 69 as a CF, wtf? lol
IronCity
14-09-2011, 14:30
Why can I download the demo of any game on PSN in about 10 minutes tops, but PES takes 250 minutes and disconnects before finishing over and over. Come on now. You know online play is going to be laggy as hell....again.
wallpaper_01
14-09-2011, 14:38
Why can I download the demo of any game on PSN in about 10 minutes tops, but PES takes 250 minutes and disconnects before finishing over and over. Come on now. You know online play is going to be laggy as hell....again.
Because everyone else has the same idea and is downloading...
Unfortunately when you release a game every year this is what happens. legendary games take years to complete. Maybe Konami should take a year out and develop for the Xbox 720, and make a game that would blow us all away! ... But we all know this business is about money... FIFA, PES, COD churned out every year with little improvements but hyped up so we spend our money on them. Im sure it will be good, but I would be happy waiting 2 years for something amazing for the next console!
Little improvements? They've changed keepers to an extent. They've added the player movement system, arguably the best thing added to a football game in a long time and which is a big addition. MLO is likely improved. Different speed to the game. Tweaked passing. Tweaked shooting. Many other tweaks. Overall there's not much more they can do right now, they've added big improvements this year, cant see why there's a need to complain.
It's a good demo don't get me wrong, It's by far the best PES on the next gen console. I just feel though the goalkeepers have not been improved from last year, the ball seems to beat the keeper to easily, tame shots spilled, ball under keepers body, etc..
I like the shooting, its good, not great but good and improved. AI seems like the have been TWEAKED ONLY A BIT. I can't help but notice how the AI seem to do stupid things, dribbling past defenders seems to easy now. I was able to dribble past 3 or 4 Inter defenders with Naismith.
Really? It's clearer than daylight that the keepers have been imrproved. There's no doubt they still need some work, but they've without a doubt been worked on and improved. Last year a keeper would spill a shot and collapse to the floor, now he can spill a shot from his hands but stays on his feet and it bounces out of his hands onto the ground but straight back into his safety, like real life when keepers take the sting out of a powerful shot. I also just had Gomez commit a realistic blunder, a 25 screaming from Bastien, the defender was blocking his sight and it came flying in and Gomez tried to get his legs to it but it still deflected into the goal...many people will moan if that happens, however it's a realistic mistake that happens in real football...now if it was happening every single game, different story, but these things need to be in the game for realism.
Also, the AI hasn't just been tweaked, it's had an overhaul. The AI system looks to be the best AI system in next gen console history (football wise). They finally pass, they finally shoot realistic, they score some crackers, they defend great, they're smart.
As for a rating on this demo, I'd say 9. It's the best football game I've played on the next gen consoles that's for sure and it's only a DEMO, so the actual game should be even better. And to be quite frank, I do like Fifa, but I had more fun in one Pro game than I did in 15 games on Fifa.
FIFA 11? FIFA 12 you mean lol. I think I need more time on PES. Also I noticed Defoe's overal was 74 as an SS and 69 as a CF, wtf? lol
Yourvplaying a different game from me this game is better than pes 6 and as for FIFA played last night didntveven touch te ball for half of the 3 min half with the stupid ai not pressing the oppossition
I wanna see what Mak thinks, since like me, he was a fan of PES 2011 but hated the first demo.
MysteryMan
14-09-2011, 15:15
I played a few games and I did notice some improvements but theres still alot of other things wrong with it
+ Keepers are a bit better but still not perfect
+ Ball speed ( Shooting/Crossing/Passing ball speed is faster, I played on speed 0 and it feels quite realistic, before the ball was way too slow. )
+ Player speed seems to have been toned down a tad, on 0 it feels a bit slower and it actually feels quite realistic overall, the player movement speed and ball speed has a good balance atm.
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- Passing is still too assisted ( example: I want to pass to a teammate who is at the touchline and im at the middle and there is a player between, I can ramp up the passing power to full but I will still pass to the closest player even if the pass goes past him he will chase the ball instead of the ball going to the player behind him like I want and who would be a better target, wtf? )
- Players still have too good close control, players with 70 dribble acc. have such close touches when you run with full speed as Messi should have and what 95+ dribble acc. should have, this is way unrealistic and ruins everything, I mean whats the point if Vidic can go past 4 players, its unrealistic?
- Why can we shot fake only left right and forward, why not diagonal? whatever... its stupid but its not a big deal
- Speed merchant is so unrealistic even more than it was in 2011, the player moves like he had ice skates and glides left and right at what it seems even faster than if he would run straight, I mean pesstatsdatabase will remove all the speed merchants and I won't have them in game either but still, wtf?
- Idk if im the only one here but I just can't seem to notice big enough difference between defenders and attackers, its like they are so similar in stats even tho they are not.
In Pes 2011 you could clearly see the difference between a defender who has bad close control and technique and passing range and usually speed and here in 2012 it seems that someone with 70 or 80 stat in something is pretty much the same, its not noticable...
Theres still more issues but im quite bored to keep repeating miself, I just don't get why KONAMI can't fix such obvious stuff.
Zorac1979
14-09-2011, 15:23
The 1st Demo was seriously poor and was clearly an incomplete game, with Defensive AI problems, crappy keepers and soft floaty shots.
The 2nd Demo is a huge improvement although there are still issues, dribbling past players does seem a little easy and the CPU opponent can do this too, having a half decent player tearing though Inter's defence seems a bit odd.
All in all though I have played 4 games now and I'm happy with it, I know there will be a few more tweaks before the final release, but I'm enjoying the games I have had. Players with speed like Bale and Lennon can open up some space after beating a man, none of that catch up crap that was in Pes 2011, which seems more realistic, the passing I feel I have more control of, although you do have to turn the assisted passing down to 0/5.
I'm happy with it and will be buying it, it's not perfect but thins rarely are.
MysteryMan
14-09-2011, 15:32
Can someone explain why Speed again matters SHIT in a football game? I can't even catch a slow attacker running through the flank if he has an advantage even if I sprint after him with Lennon, top speed means nothing at all?
daveyc17
14-09-2011, 15:35
At the moment, I would give it a 6.5. Where I've been playing the FIFA demo, scoring on the PES demo just seems 100x more easier, I don't know if thats because its so much more harder to score on FIFA now or what but thats my opinion.
Are you joking?!? You can score blindfolded and hands tied behind your back on FIFA, its sooooooooooooooo easy.
PES gives a much better challenge.
daveyc17
14-09-2011, 15:40
btw, is anyone else having problems downloading PES from PSN?
Are you joking?!? You can score blindfolded and hands tied behind your back on FIFA, its sooooooooooooooo easy.
PES gives a much better challenge.
you played FIFA mate ? or are you trolling
game seems good but will have to wait till the finished product to say anything
MysteryMan
14-09-2011, 15:46
And why is it impossible to catch up an attacker once he goes past you even if he only has 2m advantage and hes slow, someone without the ball is much faster , I mean catch up bug was ridicilous in PES 2011 but now they went into another extreme again.
Whilst trawling through site after site this morning looking for a PC demo I noticed that a command list is available for 2012. I didn't download it but regret so now.
Does anyone know where one may be available?
wallpaper_01
14-09-2011, 15:59
Little improvements? They've changed keepers to an extent. They've added the player movement system, arguably the best thing added to a football game in a long time and which is a big addition. MLO is likely improved. Different speed to the game. Tweaked passing. Tweaked shooting. Many other tweaks. Overall there's not much more they can do right now, they've added big improvements this year, cant see why there's a need to complain.
Calm down... I was just saying if they didnt release every year they could do better. Yeah it is good, but there are areas that could be better. This is in no way the perfect football game yet.
MysteryMan
14-09-2011, 16:17
I don't think il be buying pes 2012 from what ive seen, I don't like it at all.
They can talk about improvements all they want but what does it matter if they improve some parts if they ruin other ones.
The close control in this game ruins everything for me, its not even world class players its defenders running when I hold sprint and keeping the ball glued to their feet even more than Messi does in real life come on wtf is that? And im limited to that close control also, if I want to push the ball to the side to open space for a shot I can't, why? because if I press sprint and change the direction to the side ( in older PES games the ball would be pushed a bit further out ) the player still keeps the ball GLUED to his freaking foot all the time, its SO unrealistic and it ruins everything for me, I don't care what other things look like this is unacceptable and I can't enjoy a game like this.
daveyc17
14-09-2011, 16:20
you played FIFA mate ? or are you trolling
game seems good but will have to wait till the finished product to say anything
Trolling?
Erm, not sure what that is, but I have played the Fifa demo and its horrible. Very predictable, far too easy to score spectacular goals and not very challenging.
wallpaper_01
14-09-2011, 16:21
I don't think il be buying pes 2012 from what ive seen, I don't like it at all.
They can talk about improvements all they want but what does it matter if they improve some parts if they ruin other ones.
The close control in this game ruins everything for me, its not even world class players its defenders running when I hold sprint and keeping the ball glued to their feet even more than Messi does in real life come on wtf is that? And im limited to that close control also, if I want to push the ball to the side to open space for a shot I can't, why? because if I press sprint and change the direction to the side ( in older PES games the ball would be pushed a bit further out ) the player still keeps the ball GLUED to his freaking foot all the time, its SO unrealistic and it ruins everything for me, I don't care what other things look like this is unacceptable and I can't enjoy a game like this.
Ok so what will you play? FIFA 11.5 with players that are too big for the pitch and let you only score boring wooden goals that are all the same? Suppose FIFA has all the licences and realistic animations if that's what floats your boat...
wallpaper_01
14-09-2011, 16:23
Trolling is talking nonsense on internet threads just to be a pain in the arse
quick question for those of you with the new demo and who played the 1st WE demo from the Japan store. Is this PES demo better than the original WE demo?
MysteryMan
14-09-2011, 16:31
Ok so what will you play? FIFA 11.5 with players that are too big for the pitch and let you only score boring wooden goals that are all the same? Suppose FIFA has all the licences and realistic animations if that's what floats your boat...
nothing.
I don't think il be buying pes 2012 from what ive seen, I don't like it at all.
They can talk about improvements all they want but what does it matter if they improve some parts if they ruin other ones.
The close control in this game ruins everything for me, its not even world class players its defenders running when I hold sprint and keeping the ball glued to their feet even more than Messi does in real life come on wtf is that? And im limited to that close control also, if I want to push the ball to the side to open space for a shot I can't, why? because if I press sprint and change the direction to the side ( in older PES games the ball would be pushed a bit further out ) the player still keeps the ball GLUED to his freaking foot all the time, its SO unrealistic and it ruins everything for me, I don't care what other things look like this is unacceptable and I can't enjoy a game like this.
Yeah but the older one was also flawed, what if you didn't want to push the ball a little bit further? This is where PES and FIFA need to innovate, use the fucking L1 button, L1 button for passing and shooting, L1 button for pushing the ball a little further in order to pass or shot, problem solved.....
However, if you expect that simply directing the left analog stick in different directions without the assistance of any other button, should be enough to determine subtle touches on the ball, then you have little idea of what you're talking about.
Honestly, I'm tired of hearing the WENB guys hipping a game up, when in truth, the game is just a completely ordinary yearly tweak. Konami and EA Sports need to do more, not just improve the LOOK and FEEL of the animations, but actually improve how the animations actually work.
The classic formula of directing the left analog stick without the assistance of any other button, and the left analog stick determining countless unrelated factors such as -- the direction that the ball carrier is looking at, distance covered on the pitch (without the assistance of the sprint button), the direction in which the ball carrier runs through space, the direction of passing, the direction of shooting -- is fundamentally flawed and should have been replaced by now.
When the left analog stick determines so many different and unrelated factors without the assistance of any other button, it limits the animations that can be implemented into the game, it limits the freedom and control that you have as a gamer, it limits the player individuality, etc, etc.
Makavelian
14-09-2011, 16:46
First impressions are really good.
The pace of the match is a lot truer.
I think the stand up tackle is to ineffective though.When your defending and tracking one of there players and using pressure button to close the man down with the ball is also to ineffective for me,as the AI just usually just skip past you . Ball control seems to have been toned down and is a lot more believable.Shooting seems excellent.
Just played a few games on top player and despite getting hammered first 2 matches i can see once you get over the learning curve and try to rid your habits of previous pes,i can see 2012 being a great game.I think the first 2 games i was still playing how i played 2011 overplaying the ball and forgetting now i can actually get my players to open up his legs and lose the defender when they get behind the defense. Finally i am now looking forward to release date.
MysteryMan
14-09-2011, 16:47
Yeah but the older one was also flawed, what if you didn't want to push the ball a little bit further? This is where PES and FIFA need to innovate, use the fucking L1 button, L1 button for passing and shooting, L1 button for pushing the ball a little further in order to pass or shot, problem solved.....
However, if you expect that simply directing the left analog stick in different directions without the assistance of any other button, should be enough to determine subtle touches on the ball, then you have little idea of what you're talking about.
Honestly, I'm tired of hearing the WENB guys hipping a game up, when in truth, the game is just a completely ordinary yearly tweak. Konami and EA Sports need to do more, not just improve the LOOK and FEEL of the animations, but actually improve how the animations actually work.
The classic formula of directing the left analog stick without the assistance of any other button, and the left analog stick determining countless unrelated factors such as -- the direction that the ball carrier is looking at, distance covered on the pitch (without the assistance of the sprint button), the direction in which the ball carrier runs through space, the direction of passing, the direction of shooting -- is fundamentally flawed and should have been replaced by now.
When the left analog stick determines so many different and unrelated factors without the assistance of any other button, it limits the animations that can be implemented into the game, it limits the freedom and control that you have as a gamer, it limits the player individuality, etc, etc.
I agree with what you said but KONAMI is not capable of doing that sadly, I realized that long ago.
So I would at the very least like how it was before, to be limited in pushing it a bit more, since thats what I need in 90% of those situations. oh well...
Demo 2 out on UK PSN, let's download it!
:erm:
Again the cursor name issue.
I don't like the name above the players!, and when you turn it off, is only in your players, but CPU still have it :unsure:
I like the Player Info Bar better...
MysteryMan
14-09-2011, 16:52
Its funny how people were arguing about the game being assisted too much, but its the same this year just the new things.
They only fixed the old ones that people complained about, KONAMI is clueless really.
For example the new speed burst, you press R1+R2 and thats it, you burst past a player, THE DIRECTION, THE SPEED, HOW MUCH THE BALL GOES FORWARD, its all assisted you have no control over it.
i'm at work and won't get off till 5pm, can anyone confirm that manual ball control is now completely manual and not even CPU semi-assisted?
Thanks,
Obviously some people will always have a moan, that's life, people are different, some will love this, some will dislike it.
Had a mental game earlier with the Copa teams. Managed to go 3-1 up and then suddenly America grab one back and just erupt with crazy AI pressure and unlike previous games, the AI is on me like a rash as I try to play the possesion game. Cant keep the ball and they get another. They're feeling they can win it and in the final minute...they do! Brilliant AI system, just brilliant.
Wondering, how is everybody getting on with the player movement system? You using it on automatic or manual? I'm on auto as I'm trying to get to grips with it before trying it on manual. Going to take a while to really get the hang of it, but man it's amazing.
First impressions are really good.
The pace of the match is a lot truer.
I think the stand up tackle is to ineffective though.When your defending and tracking one of there players and using pressure button to close the man down with the ball is also to ineffective for me,as the AI just usually just skip past you . Ball control seems to have been toned down and is a lot more believable.Shooting seems excellent.
Just played a few games on top player and despite getting hammered first 2 matches i can see once you get over the learning curve and try to rid your habits of previous pes,i can see 2012 being a great game.I think the first 2 games i was still playing how i played 2011 overplaying the ball and forgetting now i can actually get my players to open up his legs and lose the defender when they get behind the defense. Finally i am now looking forward to release date.
defending is a joy in this game! You can't do it like FIFA or old PES games, you have to actually understand and know what you're doing. When you figure out and get good with the defensive players switching using the right stick you feel like you're controlling the whole defense, closing up space. Instead of just playing D on the ball with your defender and your help player you actually control the whole field. Takes getting used to but once it clicks its fun as hell! This PES it will be crucial to know how to defend, those online bums that run with Messi or Ronaldo are in for a rude awakening if they don't figure this out because once you stop them your counter attacks will be leathal if they don't know what they're doing on the defensive end of the ball.
Had a mental game earlier with the Copa teams. Managed to go 3-1 up and then suddenly America grab one back and just erupt with crazy AI pressure and unlike previous games, the AI is on me like a rash as I try to play the possesion game. Cant keep the ball and they get another. They're feeling they can win it and in the final minute...they do! Brilliant AI system, just brilliant.
a bit too brilliant, if you don't concentrate you could get a real beat down from the CPU this year! ;)
PesMaster1
14-09-2011, 17:11
im not a massive fan of 2012, very big let down konami this year
It's interesting to see that many opinions about the demo in here.
I'm really looking forward to try this defence system using R3. I won't download the 2nd demo - will wait for the final version of the game
MysteryMan
14-09-2011, 17:28
Seems like people either love it or are absolutely disgusted by it.
First impressions are really good.
The pace of the match is a lot truer.
I think the stand up tackle is to ineffective though.When your defending and tracking one of there players and using pressure button to close the man down with the ball is also to ineffective for me,as the AI just usually just skip past you . Ball control seems to have been toned down and is a lot more believable.Shooting seems excellent.
Just played a few games on top player and despite getting hammered first 2 matches i can see once you get over the learning curve and try to rid your habits of previous pes,i can see 2012 being a great game.I think the first 2 games i was still playing how i played 2011 overplaying the ball and forgetting now i can actually get my players to open up his legs and lose the defender when they get behind the defense. Finally i am now looking forward to release date.
You hated the 1st demo.... Why are you positive about the 2nd demo? Is it the pace more than anything else?
pategato
14-09-2011, 17:47
What are your thoughts on the PES 2012 demos Amateur?
Anysecondnow
14-09-2011, 17:52
What are your thoughts on the PES 2012 demos Amateur?
Didn't like the first demo at first. Took a bit of getting used too, but i think we may finally have the best pes game of the lot!.....Finally!!! :)
What are your thoughts on the PES 2012 demos Amateur?
Haven't played either one, and considering the game will be released in about 10 days or so, I'll probably skip the demos. Though having watched some videos, my impression is that close control seems to be too good for all the players, at least in PES11 you could notice a considerable difference. And the other thing that I'm most concerned about is the pace, it appeared to be too arcade-like in the 1st demo, though Mak mentioned that the pace is "truer" in the 2nd demo, which certainly is a positive.
The thing that I'm most interested in, is the new off the ball movement feature, which I have barely noticed in the videos. What are your thoughts on the demos?
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Again the cursor name issue.
I don't like the name above the players!, and when you turn it off, is only in your players, but CPU still have it :unsure:
I like the Player Info Bar better...
You can turn of CPUs player names above their head in the settings in the main page.
Great game. Pes is finally back.
i hated thge first demo and rage deleted after blatant scripting. The second demo, however, is good. i cant wait to get the game. I beat rangers 3 - 0 as inter with 2 screamers from stankovic, i loved the feeling of scoring. then i got beat 4-0 as spurs v bayern, no obvious scripting and i had a few chances too.
I think Konami Dun Goofed by releasing that piece of shit 1st demo though, i knmow a lot of people wont even try the 2nd one and therefore wont get the game either.
MysteryMan
14-09-2011, 19:04
i hated thge first demo and rage deleted after blatant scripting. The second demo, however, is good. i cant wait to get the game. I beat rangers 3 - 0 as inter with 2 screamers from stankovic, i loved the feeling of scoring. then i got beat 4-0 as spurs v bayern, no obvious scripting and i had a few chances too.
I think Konami Dun Goofed by releasing that piece of shit 1st demo though, i knmow a lot of people wont even try the 2nd one and therefore wont get the game either.
I would rate the first demo as 4 and the 2nd one as 5 out of 10.
PES 2011 for example was a 4.
id give the 1st demo 5/10 and the 2nd 8/10
I would rate the first demo as 4 and the 2nd one as 5 out of 10.
PES 2011 for example was a 4.
wow 4 and 5 out of 10??? :shocking: Maybe sports gaming is not for you :erm: Im not saying theyre perfect but 4 and 5??? cmon thats a bit harsh don't you think??
hyper-max-up
14-09-2011, 19:27
Third party gameplay patch is required if you want to play this game. This patch improves the in-game controls, the ball control, passes and handling of the ball, to a very satisfying condition.
Game looks much better. And, with the additional eye candy features and the good ai makes up a very arcade friendly game.
Still nearly impossible to take the ball away from the attacker without fouling.
Still impossible to use the defenders body to cover the ball without fouling.
Still impossible to out-run a forward when you're controlling a defender.
Still no runs from the forwards while on the counter.
Das:Fohlen
14-09-2011, 19:30
will try later. i downloaded really fast (just 15 minutes) but will watch soccer (CL) first....
MysteryMan
14-09-2011, 19:49
wow 4 and 5 out of 10??? :shocking: Maybe sports gaming is not for you :erm: Im not saying theyre perfect but 4 and 5??? cmon thats a bit harsh don't you think??
Im just being realistic brah, obviously a perfect 10 is impossible, because you can never please everyone so the top grade possible is probably around 9, this demo here is about 5-5.5 , decent game with some improvements over 2011 but many flaws still remain and new ones emerged. I was expecting at least a 6.5 out of KONAMI this year, maybe it would be close to that if not for some obvious and annoying things such as close control/passing/speed etc... that seem to be WAY too good for pretty much every player and the bad thing about it is that its not bad stats on KONAMI's part but that they toned down the difference between someone with a 70 stat and someone with a 80, for example in some areas its pretty much impossible to see any difference in a raise of 10 in a certain stat, so even editing stats won't fix this problem.
MysteryMan
14-09-2011, 19:50
Still nearly impossible to take the ball away from the attacker without fouling.
Still impossible to use the defenders body to cover the ball without fouling.
Still impossible to out-run a forward when you're controlling a defender.
Still no runs from the forwards while on the counter.
sadly thats only a few issues, im really disapointed in KONAMI, haven't they been receiving our feedback!?
Still nearly impossible to take the ball away from the attacker without fouling.
Still impossible to use the defenders body to cover the ball without fouling.
Still impossible to out-run a forward when you're controlling a defender.
Still no runs from the forwards while on the counter.
give it time defending is king of a art in pes 2012 which i enjoy but i havent played demo 2 yet but i know what you mean when u are counter attacking and not many runs are been made ,
are the one twos any better on demo 2
ehsancgfx
14-09-2011, 20:04
played fifa 12 whole day yesterday ... i didnt feel like im in total control , something something missing.i was forced to play in a certain way or may be i am being offered less options . but in pes 12 , it feels like players are behaving like your second nature .and the best thing of 2nd demo was drawing a line between deffence and offence .. like in demo 1 the players were untouchable , i mean dribling was too fast to become realistically possible.it was a bit frustrating for the defending side even though the defenders were smart enough the intercept a lot of the attacks , yet you didnt feel the controll of your defence army. now its perfectly balanced . some guys could feel the demo 1 was harder cause u couldnt even touch the attackers :D now its sorted and i m liking it Game on !
with all due respect for fifa lovers , the game certainly lack life and the buzz that feel while playing pes12. pes12 has fundamentally improved its core so much that im sure fifa guys will have tough time imitating it next year ( like most fo the
MysteryMan
14-09-2011, 20:29
played fifa 12 whole day yesterday ... i didnt feel like im in total control , something something missing.i was forced to play in a certain way or may be i am being offered less options . but in pes 12 , it feels like players are behaving like your second nature .and the best thing of 2nd demo was drawing a line between deffence and offence .. like in demo 1 the players were untouchable , i mean dribling was too fast to become realistically possible.it was a bit frustrating for the defending side even though the defenders were smart enough the intercept a lot of the attacks , yet you didnt feel the controll of your defence army. now its perfectly balanced . some guys could feel the demo 1 was harder cause u couldnt even touch the attackers :D now its sorted and i m liking it Game on !
with all due respect for fifa lovers , the game certainly lack life and the buzz that feel while playing pes12. pes12 has fundamentally improved its core so much that im sure fifa guys will have tough time imitating it next year ( like most fo the
fifa is shite but how can you say you have perfect control in pes 2012? you can't push the ball a bit further away from ur feet if you want to cut into the defender's side ( apart from using R1+R2 which is automated and random direction ) due to everyone having Messi like control of the ball no matter if you jog or sprint or whatever u do, u have no control to do what I just explained and R1+R2 is completely automated, why can't we at least choose what direction we want to cut too?
Cmon people are running like they seriously have the ball glued to their feet even when they sprint even when they cut or change directions at speed, they keep the ball glued to their feet, even Messi doesnt do that in real life its not possible to keep it so close all the time changing directions and under pressure.
ehsancgfx
14-09-2011, 20:32
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Im just being realistic brah, obviously a perfect 10 is impossible, because you can never please everyone so the top grade possible is probably around 9, this demo here is about 5-5.5 , decent game with some improvements over 2011 but many flaws still remain and new ones emerged. I was expecting at least a 6.5 out of KONAMI this year, maybe it would be close to that if not for some obvious and annoying things such as close control/passing/speed etc... that seem to be WAY too good for pretty much every player and the bad thing about it is that its not bad stats on KONAMI's part but that they toned down the difference between someone with a 70 stat and someone with a 80, for example in some areas its pretty much impossible to see any difference in a raise of 10 in a certain stat, so even editing stats won't fix this problem.
I guess our rating systems are different LOL... 4 or 5 out of 10 to me is unplayable, I would rate 2008 like this.... for me 2011 was about a 7 becuase of its flaws of defenders catching up, AI cheating, scripting and also the bad shooting which felt very random. 2012 so far based on the WE demo from Japan which I played (havent played the new PES one) I would rate an 8, based on potential of what I've seen so far, but can't rate it until the final product is in my hands for over 1 month.
ehsancgfx
14-09-2011, 20:35
fifa is shite but how can you say you have perfect control in pes 2012? you can't push the ball a bit further away from ur feet if you want to cut into the defender's side ( apart from using R1+R2 which is automated and random direction ) due to everyone having Messi like control of the ball no matter if you jog or sprint or whatever u do, u have no control to do what I just explained and R1+R2 is completely automated, why can't we at least choose what direction we want to cut too?
Cmon people are running like they seriously have the ball glued to their feet even when they sprint even when they cut or change directions at speed, they keep the ball glued to their feet, even Messi doesnt do that in real life its not possible to keep it so close all the time changing directions and under pressure.
actaully i think of it when i watch barcelona and other good team in real life .. how on earth they keep the ball glued to the feet ? u need more practice
Still nearly impossible to take the ball away from the attacker without fouling.
Still impossible to use the defenders body to cover the ball without fouling.
Still impossible to out-run a forward when you're controlling a defender.
Still no runs from the forwards while on the counter.
Not even close to impossible, considering I've taken the ball away from an attacker many times without fouling.
Again, not impossible, been done many times.
Not true. Thankfully it's been made tougher to catch up here, compared to '11 or Fifa where the defender can catch the attacker with ease. Attackers have been through, it's key to just chase and chase and be patient and time tackles to perfection or use the keeper well.
Again, not true. Forwards do make runs and the entire point of the new player movement system is to use it and control players off of the ball and have them make runs. You need to use this and understand it...it's not something you'll master in a few games, this new system is the key to counters, runs and so on.
Also, tactics. These change breaks and counter attacks, you need to find your own system and change sliders, that can also help in counter attacks and getting more players forward on the break.
Also, rating it 5/10 is mentally bizarre, but hey, that's personal opinion I guess.
MysteryMan
14-09-2011, 20:50
I guess our rating systems are different LOL... 4 or 5 out of 10 to me is unplayable, I would rate 2008 like this.... for me 2011 was about a 7 becuase of its flaws of defenders catching up, AI cheating, scripting and also the bad shooting which felt very random. 2012 so far based on the WE demo from Japan which I played (havent played the new PES one) I would rate an 8, based on potential of what I've seen so far, but can't rate it until the final product is in my hands for over 1 month.
My rating is
1-2 dogshit
2-3 shit
4~ not good but not shit either
5~ better but still many issues
6~ good but some flaws
7~ very good but not great
8~ great game with very little flaws, some minor issues here or there
9~ amazing
anyhow, im going to list some fundamental things I think are some of the big problems so far from what I seen from the 1st and 2nd demo now, and I urge people here that say pes is amazing and great to prove me wrong.
- Keepers are quite bad alltho improved since the 1st demo
- Close control of players is way too good, players that have 60-70 Dribble acc. ( I checked ) keep the ball so close to their feet even when I hold R1 to sprint, its not realistic at all, its almost Messi like and thats 60-70 DA.
- I feel no difference between a fast and slow player or between a strong or weak player, I remember PES6 had a major difference that you could feel, here I don't have such a feeling, most players feel almost exactly the same, fast players don't seem fast and strong players don't seem strong.
*example Lennon with 97 top speed was running for a through ball and the defender from Rangers which top speed is low was running at the same speed as Lennon.
*example2 no matter how fast your player is you can't even close the gap once an opposing player is through even tho he is CONTROLING THE BALL which should make him slower.
Spursman
14-09-2011, 20:51
Dunno how old you guys are on here but you gotta understand business.
Konami & EA could iron out every little detail and make near enough a perfect game
Then what???
how could they improve next years version?
They always have to leave certain features for the following year otherwise they wont have a game to sell. You will then all complain that the game is the same as last years version.
Havent played either demo yet.. will have a go on them after tonights football... i already prefer pes2012 (demo1) over 2011 so im hopefull ill like the game
heatuk10
14-09-2011, 21:01
Well I have played both demo's 1st on PS3 and 2nd on XBOX and I have to say the 2nd demo is much better... it feels much more responsive and the shooting is much better not as floaty as the 1st demo! I'm pleased with it so far hopefully I will get hands on with a newer code of the game at eurogamer in 2 weeks time and see how it has come on, but for me it's alot better than pes 2011 and that is saying something as I enjoyed PES 2011! The only think I noticed on the new demo thou is that now and again it stutters for a second which I guess will be sorted by the time of release! 9/10 for me brilliant game but still room for improvements!
I have played the 2nd demo on 360 and very impressed so far. Some obvious room for improvement but there always is with PES.
I have noticed a lot of people saying they expect improvements in gameplay with the final game but I think this is wishful thinking. The beginning of the 360 2nd demo clearly says the 2nd demo is the final code other than roster updates etc.
So what you now see is what you will get come release day.
I'm now downloading the PS3 demo - I understand this is the better demo.
Well I have played both demo's 1st on PS3 and 2nd on XBOX and I have to say the 2nd demo is much better... it feels much more responsive and the shooting is much better not as floaty as the 1st demo! I'm pleased with it so far hopefully I will get hands on with a newer code of the game at eurogamer in 2 weeks time and see how it has come on, but for me it's alot better than pes 2011 and that is saying something as I enjoyed PES 2011! The only think I noticed on the new demo thou is that now and again it stutters for a second which I guess will be sorted by the time of release! 9/10 for me brilliant game but still room for improvements!
Have you played the WE original demo on PS3 from the Japanese store? If so, is this new demo much better than that one?
Makavelian
14-09-2011, 22:05
Really enjoying this game , my fourth match.
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Apologies for playing same song twice,i don't know wtf happened there when converting.
You hated the 1st demo.... Why are you positive about the 2nd demo? Is it the pace more than anything else?
Yes.The last demo was stupidly fast and ruined it for me,but there's also a lot more improvements what i like in the new demo apart from game speed.
defending is a joy in this game! You can't do it like FIFA or old PES games, you have to actually understand and know what you're doing. When you figure out and get good with the defensive players switching using the right stick you feel like you're controlling the whole defense, closing up space. Instead of just playing D on the ball with your defender and your help player you actually control the whole field. Takes getting used to but once it clicks its fun as hell! This PES it will be crucial to know how to defend, those online bums that run with Messi or Ronaldo are in for a rude awakening if they don't figure this out because once you stop them your counter attacks will be leathal if they don't know what they're doing on the defensive end of the ball.
I'm still learning but i think forgetting the cursor switch problems in pes 2011,i could sill have better control over my back four when Tracking back. still seems a bit sloppy and loose at times when defeding and big cb's not being commanding enough.Particular when tracking back a lofted ball the defenders seem less responsive.
waywardcloud
14-09-2011, 22:27
I played maybe 5 matches on the first demo and put it away but there are tons of little improvements on the second one, mainly the speed of the game and i think the defending has gotten a lot of attention because of the responsiveness of the players. the buildup play is so much sweeter and rewarding in this version.
To get the real feel of pes12 take all the assisted tackling, sliding, passing & clearing off. The game feels immense.
Really is a great game. Always room for improvement and I'm talking Keepers. Until pes 6 they had them pretty much spot on but since then they have got them wrong.
In the next 12 months Konami need to watch 1000s of hours of keeper reactions, saves, kicks and keepers in general.
Would love to see a keeper slide in his Knees as he realises the shot is going wide rather than dive and give away a corner from a shot that's going miles wide.
I'll give demo 8.5/10
TRUEBLUEs 44
14-09-2011, 23:21
pes 12 demo it good and when full game come out it going to give FIFA 12 run for there money
TRUEBLUEs 44
14-09-2011, 23:24
I'll give Demo 8.9/10
MysteryMan
14-09-2011, 23:35
I don't know how some people keep giving this game such high grades, there are so many fundamental things so wrong with it...
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Here check this, this vid shows Rangers ( club with D technique ), and its player sprinting with the ball while having such close control that perhaps only Messi could ( while sprinting ), or at least close to it.
If anyone thinks this here isn't wrong then I seriously don't know if anyone here even watches real soccer.
^yeah that would be fine except when u hold down dash
I don't know how some people keep giving this game such high grades, there are so many fundamental things so wrong with it...
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Here check this, this vid shows Rangers ( club with D technique ), and its player sprinting with the ball while having such close control that perhaps only Messi could ( while sprinting ), or at least close to it.
If anyone thinks this here isn't wrong then I seriously don't know if anyone here even watches real soccer.
probly because he has the speed up , played a few games and defo like what i see i would give it 8/10
NETOVISKI
15-09-2011, 01:26
My biggest win at the star ... I just did 4x1 at Bayer. Now there was lack of Rooben ... played a lot. hahahaha
This is football, this is PES! Watch in HD
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That was the goal of the 4x1! Pure team game ... I had to save!
THAT GAME!!
Makavelian
15-09-2011, 01:36
Well why didn't you show us then.
:joel:
skickahit10
15-09-2011, 02:29
These are immediate impressions after playing Demo #2 with a friend on the PC for a couple of hours this evening:
* It all feels a bit more polished now
* Defenders are not so sluggish anymore and react much quicker when slide tackling for example, so defending is easier and attacking (a little bit) harder
* In fact, everything is so much quicker now (arcade:ish that is) so to avoid the feeling of having your players skate around on ice, set game speed to -1
Over all the 2nd demo improves certain things from the 1st demo and I remain optimistic about the game, although a few bugs seem to remain.
IronCity
15-09-2011, 04:34
Dunno how old you guys are on here but you gotta understand business.
Konami & EA could iron out every little detail and make near enough a perfect game Then what??? how could they improve next years version?
Or Konami could perfect it now, bury EA, and dominate the market. Ever think of that one?
This next question is probably asked 20 times here but I didn't take the time to scroll through the 9 pages for the answer; where the f*@$ is the PS3 Demo 2? Still not available in the U.S.
Come on Konami, I'm counting on you. I actually traded in PES2011 tonight along with Madden 11. The latter stock was dropping a few dollars and the same would probably happen for PES soon. I thought I could mess with the new demo in the meantime but no where to be found. I was able to get $19.99 for the two of them now.
I have only played 2 matches so far. BUT I am going to point out the obvious things I noticed.
-Defenders have quicker response times when tackling. MUCH NEEDED.
- Close control is toned down and you can win the ball back easier
- First touch variations are back. Defenders have a worse first touch than attackers.
- I also felt more in control
- Power freekicks are finally improved. You can make a bouncing shot and it will still be powerful.
- Ball speed when shooting is also fixed.
Overall, so far, better than the first demo without a doubt. I was starting to hate the first demo and haven't played it in almost 2 weeks.
But this one is good. I just need more time with it.
Dunno how old you guys are on here but you gotta understand business.
Konami & EA could iron out every little detail and make near enough a perfect game
Then what???
how could they improve next years version?
They always have to leave certain features for the following year otherwise they wont have a game to sell. You will then all complain that the game is the same as last years version.
Havent played either demo yet.. will have a go on them after tonights football... i already prefer pes2012 (demo1) over 2011 so im hopefull ill like the game
Are you saying that these established companies are intentionally making bad inferior products so they can piss us the consumers off this year by holding back features.......?
....... in an effort to then improve the same product next year to impress their consumers? :no:
Really? :w00t
I am hoping you do not work anywhere near product development.
:pinderpalm::
Are you saying that these established companies are intentionally making bad inferior products so they can piss us the consumers off this year by holding back features.......?
....... in an effort to then improve the same product next year to impress their consumers? :no:
Really? :w00t
I am hoping you do not work anywhere near product development.
:pinderpalm::
I agree with your sentiment, as I also find it difficult to appreciate this reasoning, and don't think that you can run a successful business in this day and age with that approach and lack of commitment.
unable to download yet on ps3 ''bad network'' have u played? how is it? can't wait
After playing the 2nd demo, finally, It makes me wonder why the hell they released the first one! This one is MUCH better IMO. I could even tell this when playing my first game. I couldn't exactly put my finger on why it had improved so much, but in my head, I know it had.
I only played 3 games, so far I have no major gripes with the gameplay. I'm gonna give it a go with all manual settings later, as someone suggested.
I think the long range shooting could be a tad more powerful, and that shouty shouty emo song is quite possibly the worst thing I've ever heard.
PES, you are back on my radar :)
The Eristic
15-09-2011, 09:00
Much, much better in almost every way. Only three negatives stick out at the moment:
1. So-called "reverse catchup bug" seems to make ANY player, regardless of speed and dribbling stats, uncatchable if they break the defensive line. Keepers seem much better 1v1, though, so it hasn't cost me yet.
2. Defenders and other players with poor technical abilities and dribbling skills still have crazy good close control and dribble their way out of pressure far too often and too easily, and make passes Sneijder would find difficult in real life.
3. I have yet to encounter a free kick from the AI that wasn't signed, sealed, delivered to the top corner. In fact, the only goals I've given up have been from FKs. I've had Ranocchia on the post, only to have the ball laser through the inches between his head (at full leap) and the post, straight into the angle. The keepers, at least, try to get to them more than last year, but it's annoying how perfect they always are. I think it's due to the fact that lining a FK up correctly per the game's mechanism triggers the sequence that prevents a certain player in the wall from jumping and more or less guides the ball to a place where the keeper usually can't/won't reach it, and the AI will virtually always dial it in accurately. It's been a problem in past versions, but it seems really over the top now.
A few tweaks in these key areas, and it'll be the best PES in a long time, imo.
Spursman
15-09-2011, 12:12
Are you saying that these established companies are intentionally making bad inferior products so they can piss us the consumers off this year by holding back features.......?
....... in an effort to then improve the same product next year to impress their consumers? :no:
Really? :w00t
I am hoping you do not work anywhere near product development.
:pinderpalm::
For sure... all companies do it.. look at the shaving companies.. they bring out one shaver and its the best thing yet... then a few months down the line there is an EVEN better one! all they did was make the blade thinner.. like they couldnt have done that before.
Ok just downloaded this and am halfway through my first game and this has impressed me so much! I've only played the demos of PES in recent years (last full game I owned was PES5) and like I just said this has impressed me alot!
MozzyEng
15-09-2011, 13:36
Managed to get on last night on sexbox. Real good game. Opens up a new world controlling that second player, Managed to score a great goal with bale by getting him to run through defense then chip over using right stick. I need practice though, Fuck me i got mauled off rangers 3-1 thanks to impressive ai despite controlling the game. Keeper did make a blunder and punched the ball onto my defender for an own goal!..But really it's a fucking good demo. You guys must be good playing on top player!!. Just feels "right" to me....Ps is there any button guides out for xbox? Cheers
Does anyone find that your player stops running and sometimes does a trick randomly? Sometimes feels like I'm not in control of what the player is doing!
IronCity
15-09-2011, 14:05
For sure... all companies do it.. look at the shaving companies.. they bring out one shaver and its the best thing yet... then a few months down the line there is an EVEN better one! all they did was make the blade thinner.. like they couldnt have done that before.
So you buy into all that "new and improved" marketing? I may just have something to sell ya.
did pes 2012 demo 2 out for ps3 ??! i didnt find it in psn
PES DEMO 1 = mess
WE11 DEMO 1 = very promising
PES DEMO 2 = :w00t great!
This will be a great year of PES!!!
Does anyone have any news on online? Have they announced any of the community options? Did they try out the "lag" like in the past 2 years? Connections online were very good in PES2011, very little lag to speak of and generally a good experience. Im talking US servers, I understand the Euro ones had more issues.
blomqvist23
15-09-2011, 15:15
is there a link to download on PC the demo 2 for PS3? i have psn problome.
Does anyone find that your player stops running and sometimes does a trick randomly? Sometimes feels like I'm not in control of what the player is doing!
I've had that, usually occurs when I'm pressing the RS to put somebody on a run, so could be to do with that? Might change if you change everything to manual (data part has changed where you can change many things from auto if you haven't already).
Anyway, Huddlestone is my favorite player on the demo, he plays exactly how he does in real life. Some moments, very poor video quality, took it on my blacberry and it got even worst when I uploaded it for some reason.
http://qik.com/video/44296786
http://qik.com/video/44296774
http://qik.com/video/44296765
First is a thunder bolt off of the post. Second is a screaming into the bottom corner and the third is just a Huddlestone long pass to Lennon. Pass might not look great through the video, but in the moment it was just awesome and demonstrated how good the passing is in this game, really crucial to take risks and try to play these type of balls, because it looks so great when you do it. Love his shooting too, very realistic and the way he usually shoots in real life for Spurs, some low driven shots, also shows shooting isn't just 'floaty', you just need to learn the system of shooting.
Marcus Wright
15-09-2011, 15:38
Is it up for download at US too?
Can anyone please explain how can I download demo #2 in Canada if its not up yet?
Thanks.
chriskit
15-09-2011, 15:49
Is it up for download at US too?
Can anyone please explain how can I download demo #2 in Canada if its not up yet?
Thanks.
On what system?
i thiught konami said after playing demo 2 we didnt need to see intro to game or do we have to wait nearly 10mins everytime i switch it on its a pain in the ahole
Spursman
15-09-2011, 17:25
So you buy into all that "new and improved" marketing? I may just have something to sell ya.
I dont buy into it.. i know its done.. the product does get improved but im sure these companies hold back certain features for the following year.
Spursman
15-09-2011, 17:27
i thiught konami said after playing demo 2 we didnt need to see intro to game or do we have to wait nearly 10mins everytime i switch it on its a pain in the ahole
You only need to watch it once when you turn the game on.
you can play 5 games and only watch it once.
if you then go and play another game for a bit then come back to playing pro again later you will have to watch the intro again.. Last year you had to watch the intro after every game you played.
Spursman
15-09-2011, 17:28
I've had that, usually occurs when I'm pressing the RS to put somebody on a run, so could be to do with that? Might change if you change everything to manual (data part has changed where you can change many things from auto if you haven't already).
Anyway, Huddlestone is my favorite player on the demo, he plays exactly how he does in real life. Some moments, very poor video quality, took it on my blacberry and it got even worst when I uploaded it for some reason.
http://qik.com/video/44296786
http://qik.com/video/44296774
http://qik.com/video/44296765
First is a thunder bolt off of the post. Second is a screaming into the bottom corner and the third is just a Huddlestone long pass to Lennon. Pass might not look great through the video, but in the moment it was just awesome and demonstrated how good the passing is in this game, really crucial to take risks and try to play these type of balls, because it looks so great when you do it. Love his shooting too, very realistic and the way he usually shoots in real life for Spurs, some low driven shots, also shows shooting isn't just 'floaty', you just need to learn the system of shooting.
Hudd is superb on the game.. has a rocket of a shot just like in real life.
For sure... all companies do it.. look at the shaving companies.. they bring out one shaver and its the best thing yet... then a few months down the line there is an EVEN better one! all they did was make the blade thinner.. like they couldnt have done that before.
That's not the best comparison, I mean, hair grows back, therefore shaving companies do not really need to improve their product so that people continue buying their products.
I think that PES and FIFA are so outdated that neither Konami nor EA Sports need to worry about doing too much, though luckily for them, even if they barely tweak their game on a yearly basis, newer generations of fans will replace the older ones, so it is a very good business.
MysteryMan
15-09-2011, 22:34
Much, much better in almost every way. Only three negatives stick out at the moment:
1. So-called "reverse catchup bug" seems to make ANY player, regardless of speed and dribbling stats, uncatchable if they break the defensive line. Keepers seem much better 1v1, though, so it hasn't cost me yet.
2. Defenders and other players with poor technical abilities and dribbling skills still have crazy good close control and dribble their way out of pressure far too often and too easily, and make passes Sneijder would find difficult in real life.
3. I have yet to encounter a free kick from the AI that wasn't signed, sealed, delivered to the top corner. In fact, the only goals I've given up have been from FKs. I've had Ranocchia on the post, only to have the ball laser through the inches between his head (at full leap) and the post, straight into the angle. The keepers, at least, try to get to them more than last year, but it's annoying how perfect they always are. I think it's due to the fact that lining a FK up correctly per the game's mechanism triggers the sequence that prevents a certain player in the wall from jumping and more or less guides the ball to a place where the keeper usually can't/won't reach it, and the AI will virtually always dial it in accurately. It's been a problem in past versions, but it seems really over the top now.
A few tweaks in these key areas, and it'll be the best PES in a long time, imo.
qft
but the problem is they wont fix it... hopefully yair can fix this somehow with a patch but very hard.
For sure... all companies do it.. look at the shaving companies.. they bring out one shaver and its the best thing yet... then a few months down the line there is an EVEN better one! all they did was make the blade thinner.. like they couldnt have done that before.
Sup Spursman,
Not one existing profitable company does that!
With the example of the shaver, the next best thing or shaver that is released was most likely done so because of improvements to the product through new and innovative ideas or through R&D (Research and Development)
There are instances where new features are not included into readily marketable products.... but they are not "holding back" for next year.....but instead testing the newer features before they can add them or getting them passed by federal or government laws.
In the case of PES.....it seems they only start working on the next title 2012 six months before release date. My reasoning is based on the fact they released two demos.
One year of PR and R&D should only result in one playable demo...similar to Fifa's strategy.
The fact that PES 2012 has a lag/glitch on the XBoX360 coupled with the fact that they pulled the first "demo of the demo" also suggest that development was barely started a few measly months ago.
Based on this ...i can only forecast a horrid experience for XBOX users.
IT Professional
firestorm79
16-09-2011, 07:17
My 3 gripes are - 1. The reverse catch-up bug (which i won't go into), 2. Defending against the cpu is at times impossible! But this may resolve itself with time and practice... 3. Keepers are still useless. Anything from outside the box on target will go in. I fired a tame looping shot from outside the box with kroos and the keeper just flapped at it. It went in without much ceremony... Even inside the box is tragic. Defoe hit a trickling first time shot, which crept past my floundering keeper. And there keepers are no less than julio ceaser and neur... This needs to be fixed urgently.
Steve Justice
16-09-2011, 09:56
Will the demo ever be available to Xbox Silver members prior to release? I don't game online anymore so I don't see the need to spend money on Gold membership, and Microsfot being the usual moneygrabbing monopolising sh!ts that they are have only allowed this demo for Gold members. It's really p!ssed me off.
89cruefan
16-09-2011, 12:15
Downloaded the demo last night and have played 2 games.
I really like the second demo, a bit different from the first but overall improvement. Passing has improved, shooting imo is now perfect, goalkeepers have improved again and the general game is just brilliant.
Few small gripes really, the big step up in difficulties could be weird for some people. My first game was on amateur to just really have a practise and get a proper good feel of the game and i managed 8 goals. I then went to regular to then test myself a bit more after being happy with how it plays. Played as Spurs and won 1-0 against Bayern.. But my god Neuer is immense on this game, 18 shots on target i had and he kept me out on so many occasions.
Now this step up isnt a problem for me, i am more thinking on a broad spectrum for new players or new buyers of pes that this big significant step up could maybe be a problem for those who arent used to pes and how it plays.
My only other gripe is the stats, stats are obscene. Lennon a 90? What seems crazy is Spurs are basically rated better then Man United and yet just look at it, Spurs finished 5th, United won the PL, United scored more goals and conceded less, United got to the CL final and have since the start of the season smashed our way through 4 PL games.
This is something which annoys me a bit in the stats.. Not to mention Inter and Milan being overated too.
Appart from that the game is perfect.
MysteryMan
16-09-2011, 12:21
Appart from that the game is perfect.
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5184/5637208209_cabb8b9c0a.jpg
89cruefan
16-09-2011, 12:27
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5184/5637208209_cabb8b9c0a.jpg
Dont see whats wrong with stating an opinion.
I like pes2012 and tbh if its how it is, it will definately be the best pes since the move over to NG.
Just because you dont like it, doesnt mean that everyone else has to share that opinion and hate it and it doesnt mean its a facepalm if people like it.
To me I am not sure gameplay wise what else they could improve? Little touches here and there but nothing big atm, maybe that will change when i play more games who knows
MysteryMan
16-09-2011, 12:45
Dont see whats wrong with stating an opinion.
I like pes2012 and tbh if its how it is, it will definately be the best pes since the move over to NG.
Just because you dont like it, doesnt mean that everyone else has to share that opinion and hate it and it doesnt mean its a facepalm if people like it.
To me I am not sure gameplay wise what else they could improve? Little touches here and there but nothing big atm, maybe that will change when i play more games who knows
Actually no its fully worthy of facepalm.
Anyone who claims some game is perfect is obviously a fanboy and blind, no game is ever perfect and there are always flaws and things to improve, if you fail to realize that then your a blind fanboy.
And yes about the game itself some people's opinion might differ, but I highly doubt most people would not agree with a few flaws that are quite obvious in pes 2012:
- defenders have too good close control, theres almost no difference between a defender and attacker in terms of that ( and its not stats its too little difference between a 70 or 80, pes 2011 had a clear difference in such a little change. )
- once the attacker beats ur defender u won't catch him, EVER. It doesn't matter if he only has 2m advantage or if his top speed is 70 and urs is 90, its almost like a bubble prevents you from catching him or your defender doesn't want to run at full speed ( yes removing catch up bug is good but making it opposite and to the next extreme is bad ).
- Keepers are still not really as good as they should be
-Refs still suck
Are you denying these obvious flaws?
^ I do agree with you, HOWEVER, this 2nd demo has a few notable differences.
For example the close control. I know it is a bit too good, but IN THE 2ND DEMO, not the first, there is a difference between attackers and defenders. You feel like they are heavier to dribbler while players like robben and ribery are much more flexible and have an overall better touch. I agree that this variation should be made more clear though. The close control is still an issue that needs fixing, BUT OVERALL, tons better than in the first demo.
First touch. In the first demo, every player, including defenders had a super good first touch. In the 2nd demo, it depends on the situation and the player. YES THE DEFENDER CAN MAKE A MISTAKE like in pes 11 now in the 2nd demo if they get the first touch wrong. A good point again I believe.
Keepers. I haven't really tested them TBH, but I do not want superhuman goalkeepers, however in pes 12, they still spill a bit too much, but overall, they're much better than in pes 11. They save much more, even if they don't catch the ball. At least, they save it. Yes it does need fixing do not get me wrong, but as I said, much better than pes 11.
Ofcourse this game has bug that need fixing, but overall I think it's enjoyable and in the end it's what matters. Yes, I will probably complain about the issues I listed above, but they aren't nearly as bad as they were in the first demo.
At least now, we can defend with a quicker standing tackle properly and that was highly needed after the first demo.
It still annoys me that you're not in full control of a player's movement when running on to a pass.
Don't know if it's just me, but I'm finding it a lot more difficult to put myself through on goal, 1 on 1. Obviously this is a good thing, more realistic.
^True, THE AI JUST RARELY MAKES A MISTAKE. ;)
As for the control. Yeah, this is unfortunately a pes problem that annoys alot of fans. Still, I think that if you play with a manual 2nd player control, the game opens up much more. Try it if you haven't.
^True, THE AI JUST RARELY MAKES A MISTAKE. ;)
As for the control. Yeah, this is unfortunately a pes problem that annoys alot of fans. Still, I think that if you play with a manual 2nd player control, the game opens up much more. Try it if you haven't.
I tried manual 2nd player control, I assume you mean when you press down the right stick to control another player. Assisted is easy, you find your player press down and he makes a straight run up the field where you could try a through ball but manual man its hard! Im controlling my guy, and I want the 2nd guy to go a different way, it gets tricky... :lol: I need to train my brain to be able to do that I guess :D
It really sucks! Pes 2011 better
nah man,pes 2012 is ah good game. pes 2011 was horrible. to each his own eh
gunnerglow
16-09-2011, 18:30
having played 20 or so matches I think demo 2 is a great improvement on any football game next gen. It honestly has everything i want and expect to get with the controler i have in my hand.
But, one aspect of the game really ruins it's chance of being the perfect football game, players can dribble way too easy. Even defenders can twist and turn with the ball - it's a joke.
Please Konami dumb down the lower end of 'drib acc' and 'drib speed'. For sure the likes of Messi should be as good as players are now, but not the 'grave digger' centre half that's built like a brick **** house!
The pace of the game will be awesome if this one thing is put right.
It really sucks! Pes 2011 better
2011 was good but 2012 has much deeper gameplay. Once you get used to the demo its hard to go back and enjoy 2011, its just too simple with limited player movement and bad shooting. PES 2012 in demo form is already better than 11.
2011 was good but 2012 has much deeper gameplay. Once you get used to the demo its hard to go back and enjoy 2011, its just too simple with limited player movement and bad shooting. PES 2012 in demo form is already better than 11.
i am still amazed people actually liked pes 11 that for me was by far the biggest letdown in pes series but this years it just gets better and better every time you play it i seem to like every thing about it apart from the skillfull def you play against if they tonned that down it could be my fav pes for a long time
metsuri69
16-09-2011, 21:18
I'm going to ask my favorite question here again :)
Has anyone played the demo with 2 human players on one team?
I've always played ML with a friend like that, and it's so much fun.. though in PES2011, the controls like this were badly flawed in many situations. How is it in PES2012 demo?
optimistic
21-09-2011, 12:29
My rating is
1-2 dogshit
2-3 shit
4~ not good but not shit either
5~ better but still many issues
6~ good but some flaws
7~ very good but not great
8~ great game with very little flaws, some minor issues here or there
9~ amazing
anyhow, im going to list some fundamental things I think are some of the big problems so far from what I seen from the 1st and 2nd demo now, and I urge people here that say pes is amazing and great to prove me wrong.
- Keepers are quite bad alltho improved since the 1st demo
- Close control of players is way too good, players that have 60-70 Dribble acc. ( I checked ) keep the ball so close to their feet even when I hold R1 to sprint, its not realistic at all, its almost Messi like and thats 60-70 DA.
- I feel no difference between a fast and slow player or between a strong or weak player, I remember PES6 had a major difference that you could feel, here I don't have such a feeling, most players feel almost exactly the same, fast players don't seem fast and strong players don't seem strong.
*example Lennon with 97 top speed was running for a through ball and the defender from Rangers which top speed is low was running at the same speed as Lennon.
*example2 no matter how fast your player is you can't even close the gap once an opposing player is through even tho he is CONTROLING THE BALL which should make him slower.
Hello there and hello to other pesfans,
Have not been in the forum for quite a while, been playing pes 2011, still, haha.
I think your rating system is good, but a little bit strict for rating video
games.(never played a game rated 1, like to try one someday)
I ve been reading people's views, opinions, reviews for pes 2012 DEMO 1and DEMO 2, since i have not played both demo1 and demo2, i do not
have much to say about both demos(especially demo 2), but i noticed on this forum a lot of pesfans who played DEMO 2 stated there are some obvious problems same as what MYSTERYMAN pointed out here, so i reckon these issues do exist and need to be sorted out before the
final product release, well, hopefully those flaws can be removed soon
enough as there are only 1 week left to get the job done.
Certainlly i am glad to see some good comments of pes 2012 put forward by gamers who played pes 2012 demo1 and demo2, i am optimistic as always for the upcoming pes 2012, i hope the final product
is much better than DEMO 2, somehow it is a game i ve been waiting
for almost a year to get and play, i am very very much looking forward to playing the final product, just cant wait.
Thank pesfans on this forum very much for giving me their feedbacks, opinions about pes 2012 demo1 and 2, some information over here are very useful and important IMO for me and other gamers(info like using
R3 for offball control). NICE STUFF.
PES 2012 will be out there for all of us all over the world soon, haha, lets all get ready to play.
I actually think the 2nd demo is truly awesome. I was already impressed having played a couple of minutes.
Huge improvement of the refs. Not as many whiny-free kicks as in pes 2011 and in the first demo of 2012. I'm really satisfied with this, having desired it for years.
Defending is improved a lot and it really works if you don't just run after the opponent like a mad man, but actually use the r2 to wait and release and press x when the time is right.
Also i think the teammate control with R3 is a cool feature, but maybe to effective - especially on corners.
Shooting looks great, but unfortunately the keepers are still not good enough, letting in way to many cheap goals.
Free kicks are too easy, but i can live with that :)
And finally Inter are not blessed anymore - their keeper doesn't save everything and eto'o and milito don't score every time they get through and Sneijder is not impossible to get the ball from.
It could be really great this year - in my opinion clearly the best pes on the next gen consoles.
Rooney10
22-09-2011, 03:50
i wish they would release the 2nd demo in the US...still playing the first
IronCity
22-09-2011, 04:01
i wish they would release the 2nd demo in the US...still playing the first
I thought it was just me at this point - like I was too stupid to find it or something. Just finished cussing out the fact that I could not find it but jumped on and our collective wishes actually made my mind feel at ease. I'm not stupid, konami is. I imagine we are just waiting for the final release on Tuesday. I was hoping for a little playing time this weekend.
Rooney10
22-09-2011, 04:04
I thought it was just me at this point - like I was too stupid to find it or something. Just finished cussing out the fact that I could not find it but jumped on and our collective wishes actually made my mind feel at ease. I'm not stupid, konami is. I imagine we are just waiting for the final release on Tuesday. I was hoping for a little playing time this weekend.
im getting the US version for the first time in a few years and i feel like were going to be missing out on the online updates the UK version gets..US get no love from konami :(
besides the earlier release date
IronCity
22-09-2011, 04:14
im getting the US version for the first time in a few years and i feel like were going to be missing out on the online updates the UK version gets..US get no love from konami :(
besides the earlier release date
I keep thinking the UK will get a different finished product than us. Konami is pushing the US date because of FIFA. I imagine the US version is completed and being shipped to the stores as we write. Meanwhile the konami team is still fixing those little things they wish they would have fixed on the BLUS release.
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