View Full Version : Anyone else hate the way form is this year on MLO?
Don't get me wrong, I like the idea. But it just seems to me that it has nothing to do with the condition stat, which of course was so important in pes 2011. While I like the form to remain the same for a day, I feel that the same form lasts too long. I bought Mascherano the other day for my pass and present Liverpool squad while he was on a blue arrow. The next day he turns purple, I was having a laugh at it thinking what are the odds(he has a condition of 7). Then his purple arrow of death remains for the next 4 days...I just don't see how someone with a 7 condition gets a purple arrow 4 days straight while we have people with 3-4 conditions playing like they're on steroids because of a red arrow for a couple days running
anyone else feel that this is a problem?
Well, I think the "Form - Stat" of player might just be bypassed in MLO, since the daily Form of a Player is supposed to be linked to the daily performances of all the Mascheranos out there.
yeah form know depends on past performances but can be affected but the form stats
waywardcloud
03-10-2011, 15:52
I am trying to make sense out of it and I cant.
So the owners of Macheranos are not using him effectively and thats why the form is bad?
BuddhaBone
03-10-2011, 16:24
I don't like the way the system works if it works the way described here. But it would make sense... When you look under statistics after the game you have a mark for every player as you problably remember. This number probably is put together from every match of this player by any player owning him. This would be a logical math but it's sad to be dependent on other players abilities.
waywardcloud
03-10-2011, 21:28
I don't like the way the system works if it works the way described here. But it would make sense... When you look under statistics after the game you have a mark for every player as you problably remember. This number probably is put together from every match of this player by any player owning him. This would be a logical math but it's sad to be dependent on other players abilities.
yea that is total shiitttee.
wow never knew...this is a pretty bad idea by konami....
bigberry
03-10-2011, 23:14
If thats true its total bs
it could be a bug or a glitch
waywardcloud
04-10-2011, 17:04
no its not a bug. i had some amazing games with kagawa, they have captured his movements quiet well and his arrow kept going up, with not that many users. Then 1200 ppl got him and his arrow started going down and now he s at a purple. So maybe i should sell him and get him back later?
no its not a bug. i had some amazing games with kagawa, they have captured his movements quiet well and his arrow kept going up, with not that many users. Then 1200 ppl got him and his arrow started going down and now he s at a purple. So maybe i should sell him and get him back later?
yeah i got him when his transfer fee was super low, had to sell him later cause of his contract running out and lack of form.
On the side note, i really don't like the fact that my players' form relies on other people's performance, but then i guess if it was just based on mine they'd all be red;)
but on a serious note, the condition stat needs to matter more, mascherano being purple arrow for the entire freaking week is unacceptable
gunnerglow
05-10-2011, 09:47
Best idea i had was to total each players rating for the last 10 matches... lets say player A averages 7.25 for those 10 matches. Then we create boundaries for the arrows so... purple = 0-5.5.0, blue = 5.5-6.0, green = 6.0-6.5, orange = 6.5-7.0 and red = 7.0+. meaning player A is now on a 'Reddy!'
This could be updated after every match, therfor form would be calculated after every game.
Now, to still incorperate the condition (form) stat, simply move the boundaries for the arrows, so a player with 1 form would say need to get an average rating of 7.5+ etc. or a player with 8 form only need to get 6.5+.
This system would result in subtle gains and losses in form directly related to the players recent performance and his condition stat.
Perfect - why have Konami not thouught of this? i mean i fix washing machines for a living, i should be paid more :)
BuddhaBone
05-10-2011, 10:44
Yeah, I'm also annoyed with Kagawas form, also bought him as one of the first cheaper ones. But it's not worth to sell him yet and maybe he'll get better. I bought Mehmet Ekici also, really like him. His stats are average but he's a good enough CMF with 73, still very cheap also. He was on orange at the start and went all the way down to purple, now he's coming back. Just wait
waywardcloud
05-10-2011, 16:02
I ll give konami this though, it has gotten me to play different styles with different players online. Right now I own the midfield with fellaini and parker as Marko Marin spearheads my attack.
I ll give konami this though, it has gotten me to play different styles with different players online. Right now I own the midfield with fellaini and parker as Marko Marin spearheads my attack.
definitely, i guess it ultimately forces people to use different players, just bought kewell for my liverpool team, 6 goals in 2 games. amazing dribble
I regularly bought players with 7 for form on PES2011 and I'll do the same on PES2012 whilst I'm building my squad. Also, you can see the form of your opponents players if you select man marking, well you could on PES2011, not sure if it was a glitch but I used to stick my best players on an opponents lower form players. You can mark a player out the game due to the form arrows.
I regularly bought players with 7 for form on PES2011
i did the same, but just don't know how useful that'll be this year
i did the same, but just don't know how useful that'll be this year
To start with it will help against the show ponies with 3 or 4 for form. I'll use solid players as a platform to buy more extravagant players. 7 for form, decent stamina, teamwork and passing are pretty much essential early doors.
CheatersSuck
08-10-2011, 18:50
It is a bad system. Form should be random every game(well not completely random because condition should be factored in but you get the point).
CheatersSuck
08-10-2011, 20:49
I will go so far as to say that this Form format is completely ruining MLO, it's making it an joke.
Akudunniad
10-10-2011, 22:03
Hello everyone, I see most of you complaining about the new and probably best ever feature introduced by Konami. The guy who thought about this feature should be awarded the Nobel prize!
Why? Because finally the days of sore losers playing stupid Agbonlahor-Messi-Arshavin-Piatti-Dotan teams are over now. The new system makes you try new players and keeps you busy looking around for players to sign.
waywardcloud
11-10-2011, 02:41
yea this isn't that big of a deal as game speed and assist passing that people use to play a super arcade style.
it just kinda sux that you can consistently play well with a player yet his form still goes down. So its not up to you.
Hello everyone, I see most of you complaining about the new and probably best ever feature introduced by Konami. The guy who thought about this feature should be awarded the Nobel prize!
Why? Because finally the days of sore losers playing stupid Agbonlahor-Messi-Arshavin-Piatti-Dotan teams are over now. The new system makes you try new players and keeps you busy looking around for players to sign.
it just keeps people looking around for speed merchants on red arrows whom they can abuse at least for a day
waywardcloud
11-10-2011, 03:36
it just keeps people looking around for speed merchants on red arrows whom they can abuse at least for a day
haha
Akudunniad
11-10-2011, 08:14
it just keeps people looking around for speed merchants on red arrows whom they can abuse at least for a day
Well, actually there aren't that many players who can combine speed and decent technique. Anyways, i see far less flows in this mode than in pes 11. I'd rather play against a red arrowed team of unknown players than a messi-arshavin-agbonlahor-dotan one, where only mess can be called a player while the others are just sci-fi characters from a japanese tv series.
Does condition get updated every 24 hours?
Well, actually there aren't that many players who can combine speed and decent technique. Anyways, i see far less flows in this mode than in pes 11. I'd rather play against a red arrowed team of unknown players than a messi-arshavin-agbonlahor-dotan one, where only mess can be called a player while the others are just sci-fi characters from a japanese tv series.
Does condition get updated every 24 hours?
trust me, there are enough players with speed merchant that people can switch between depending on their form, for example...a couple of days ago when ronaldo was on purple arrow, there was pato, and sanchez who were both red, if people with speed merchant use a speedy type team, there is no way that you can defend them
I'd rather have what we had last year, when form actually did matter. This year's format is flawed in so many ways.
1. you don't lose any money from buying and selling a player
2. form has absolutely no use
3. money comes way too easily
4. you get the same amount of money for beating a team of jaric, ruskin as a team with ronaldo and messi, because they only give you the money based on your own players contract costs.
and i'm not sure if its updated every 24 hours, but it seems like it
Akudunniad
11-10-2011, 09:05
trust me, there are enough players with speed merchant that people can switch between depending on their form, for example...a couple of days ago when ronaldo was on purple arrow, there was pato, and sanchez who were both red, if people with speed merchant use a speedy type team, there is no way that you can defend them
I'd rather have what we had last year, when form actually did matter. This year's format is flawed in so many ways.
1. you don't lose any money from buying and selling a player
2. form has absolutely no use
3. money comes way too easily
4. you get the same amount of money for beating a team of jaric, ruskin as a team with ronaldo and messi, because they only give you the money based on your own players contract costs.
and i'm not sure if its updated every 24 hours, but it seems like it
I totally agree with you that the system is flawed, there are lot of things that should be fixed.
1. You don't lose any money from buying and selling players....but you have to pay them their salary!!!
2. ...form still has use, you just have to watch it from a different point of view!
3. I had really trouble getting money, i got beaten twice 6-0 (and that's not hard if you have jaric and Libermann against Eto'o and your man Lothar in the goalie just spilled a bottle of olive oil on his gloves) and got no money at all and a great amount of anger LoL
4. I guess this is the major problem here, that means that stronger teams will get stronger and richer...as it's obvious that they will win every match against Jaric and Co unless they just plain s**k.
Anyways, i've also seen some players cannot be bought because they have reached their price cap...and you'll have to wait to buy them.
Have a nice day.
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