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vanian75
12-11-2011, 16:38
Having almost completed half a season now in master league I've come to the conclusion the computer cheats in matches.
The computer seems to decide for itself when it's going to score during a match and there's more or less nothing you can do to stop it.
Looking at my last game for instance, the game was drawn 4-4 the match stats read something like this.
Possession Me -61% Computer 31%
Shots Me- 17 Computer-6
Shots on target Me - 13 Computer - 4
As you can see the above stats are all in my favour which suggest I should have won the game by a longshot but then computer is God here.
The computers first goal is from a free kick, taken from the centre circle it launches the ball into the box on to the head of teammate straight into the back of the net.Nothing I can do to stop it
Second goal came from a corner when the ball was deflected off into touch by my defender from a free kick launched into my box.Nothing I could do stop this from happening in open play.The computer takes the corner straight onto one of it's teammates heads for a goal.Once again nothing I could do to stop it in open paly.
Computers third goal was an own goal by me.A long ball was put in my box and deflected off my defender past my goalie and into the net. Maybe I could have avoided this one if I was careful but looked kinda predetermined if you like.
The fourth came from a penalty. I was applying pressure onto the computers attacking player when he went down in the box and got a penalty. Not a lot I could do to avoid this.I had to challenge him to stop him running through.Seemed like the computer decided to give itself a penalty.
So there you go, at least 3 goals scored by the computer against the run of play.It seems to me the computer awards itself with free kicks ,corners and penalties in order to score it's goals and the ball is in the back of your net before you can even react to the start of play.
I have had this thought myself mate and it is quite infuriating especially in the dying minutes of games. I tended to find myself conceding most of my goals in the last minutes or injury time and it's quite annoying. Me and my mates aptly call these last few minutes brazillian mode because there seems like there is nothing you can do to stop them scoring! What skill level are you playing on too? I much prefer playing this game against mates online or in exhibition mode. For me that's where the real magic of pro Evo lies.
Sachhyam
13-11-2011, 04:11
I have experienced it frequently so. In FA Cup matches, they score unbelievable goals like Volley from about 30 yards flying into the net.
The best way to counter is to keep the ball as long as you can and be patient to build up on attack.
Make some decent signings - loan signings could be good.
I signed Bueno from Real Valladolid on loan. ( I have patched PES 2012 using PES Edit 1.3 patch - VERY MUCH RECOMMENDED)
He scored 24 goals the entire season in D2 League (Liga Adelente after patched) in Professional difficulty.
My team as of Last season was this, that won the FA Cup (i cheated on the computer by switching difficulty to Regular for that) against Man Utd ( 5-2 Yeah !!!)
and the D2 League :)
IOG (GK)
EL MOUBAKI (RB) COTSOULAD (CB) JARIC (CB) RUSKIN (LB)
DODO (DMF)
ETTORI (CMF)
SHIMIZU (RMF) SURMAN (LMF)
BUENO (SS)
ORDAZ/GUITIEREZZ (CF)
This team works like a charm !:cool:
Formaggio
13-11-2011, 18:58
You just figured this out now? lol
The AI in PES has been cheating forever. Those last second....correction...Those last 'split' second goals are a dime a dozen.
How many times have you been standing at center field ready for kick off after a goal scored on you...only to have the ref blow the whistle as soon as you touch it.
lol
muscularmatt
14-11-2011, 01:30
I love these threads. Anyone who seriously believes a video game is "cheating" them is a moron.
You are a moron! You obviously haven't played this game if you say something like that. Ref ALWAYS makes the game longer when the CPU has the ball. Game always adds 3 more min on top of 3 min of added time and when you have the ball it's always punctual. Some stupid programmers made this game without EVER seeing a football match live apparently. :S ATM there are maybe 20% ppl who bought the game that actually like it. The rest of us are disgruntled! Konami, listen to us or you will just be getting money from 200 people worldwide. :S
aftershock9
14-11-2011, 13:21
You are a moron! You obviously haven't played this game if you say something like that. Ref ALWAYS makes the game longer when the CPU has the ball. Game always adds 3 more min on top of 3 min of added time and when you have the ball it's always punctual. Some stupid programmers made this game without EVER seeing a football match live apparently. :S ATM there are maybe 20% ppl who bought the game that actually like it. The rest of us are disgruntled! Konami, listen to us or you will just be getting money from 200 people worldwide. :S
Lol, I actually can't believe you think like this
Luisao82
14-11-2011, 14:12
You are a moron!
Is he a moron, or are you a cry baby? That's the question.
Why does me and some others manage to win against powerful teams in ML (even on SUPERSTAR level), and you don't, probably even on easier levels?
Well, to put it simple: go train a little more and stop bitching.
muscularmatt
14-11-2011, 14:28
You are a moron!
I disagree, sir or madam. Obviously I don't know you, but I think it is overwhelmingly more likely that you are indeed the moron in this instance.
Ali_BWFC
14-11-2011, 14:39
Do we really need another thread about the scripting? Yes, the game is scripted... that's blatantly obvious to anyone who's played the game, but there are plenty of threads in which to bitch about it.
muscularmatt
14-11-2011, 14:44
I just take issue with the use of words like "cheating". As if the computer is somehow alive and really wants to beat you.
Ali_BWFC
14-11-2011, 14:50
I just take issue with the use of words like "cheating". As if the computer is somehow alive and really wants to beat you.
I agree. Cheating isn't the correct word. It's not like the game spawns an extra player for the opposition team when you're not looking :D
Is he a moron, or are you a cry baby? That's the question.
Why does me and some others manage to win against powerful teams in ML (even on SUPERSTAR level), and you don't, probably even on easier levels?
Well, to put it simple: go train a little more and stop bitching.
The problem is that I can beat ManU or MCC or Real on superstar with Portsmouth but then I come to play against Fulham and they DESTROY me 6-0 or smthn like that. I played all the earlier PES games on top player and it was not a problem (and by that I mean there wasnt some blatantly obvious errors to your defence that lets John Terry become the best dribbler in the world and scores).
I dont care what you have to say tbh. Game sucks from programming point of view and you can brag all you like that you beat barca or whoever.
I personally think that the game is scripted yes and cheating is probably not the words to describe what I'd going on here. I myself love pro evo because I try to look for a football game that simulates the real life game I find this scripting issue a little annoying. I have played many people on live that pick the best teams and play the game like a computer game. I like to try and play it like a game of football because I love football. this is prob where I am going wrong. Lol still it won't change the way I play these games.
Luisao82
15-11-2011, 11:32
The problem is that I can beat ManU or MCC or Real on superstar with Portsmouth but then I come to play against Fulham and they DESTROY me 6-0 or smthn like that. I played all the earlier PES games on top player and it was not a problem (and by that I mean there wasnt some blatantly obvious errors to your defence that lets John Terry become the best dribbler in the world and scores).
I dont care what you have to say tbh. Game sucks from programming point of view and you can brag all you like that you beat barca or whoever.
You were the guy that helped me in other thread. I'm sorry coz I didn't notice I was replying to you.
But as for you calling other people 'morons' just because they have a different point of view that's wrong, so pls try to avoid it.
As for me, I'm not bragging... I'm not the best player around, therefore I was pointing out that if I can beat the CPU then most guys can, it's just a matter of praticing a little more.
As for Fulham, I also played against them in my ML and I draw 1-1, dominating the game. So I stick to what I said before, you just need to pratice a little more. I played like 15 games in ML (SUPERSTAR) and no team scored more than 4 goals, and that was Bolton Wanderers, with like 4-5 players on top form. The game ended 2-4. But most games I managed to draw or to grab a win.
Obviously your defensive methods aren't working properly with the new AI, so you need to change them.
If you like football so much, then you sure have seen lot of real life matches that had exactly the outcome of your postings. Barca not winning with >70% possession, teams losing with 25shots against 3shots (you hear "effectivity" in every game)...that's why those number are called statistics. They don't determine an outcome of a game, they sum up previous games and give a probability. Even if that gave you 99,99% chance of winning, you could still lose.
And you probably have won as many games the same way as you lost them...it's just a lot harder to see oppnonent's defense errors when you attack. The defense problems are easier to identify when it's you who is defending. I'm sure the AI doesn't think "damn human, always cheating"
S2M Coblet
26-11-2011, 12:46
I personally think that the game is scripted yes and cheating is probably not the words to describe what I'd going on here. I myself love pro evo because I try to look for a football game that simulates the real life game I find this scripting issue a little annoying. I have played many people on live that pick the best teams and play the game like a computer game. I like to try and play it like a game of football because I love football. this is prob where I am going wrong. Lol still it won't change the way I play these games.
I know that this will be met with little sympathy but I have to agree with your ethos on how to play the game. I really enjoy playing the game in a manner which emulates a real game of football and I'm more than happy to continue doing so, even though I'm getting hammered just about every time I play online. I think that playing this way brings out the best in the game and represents A more authentic experience than just holding several buttons and essentially letting the AI defend for you on autopilot... It makes me wonder whether these people are aware that defending is a skill and can be a hugely enjoyable aspect of the game when you actually do it YOURSELF.
Konami need to tone down the scripting in offline master league, anyone who has played the game on superstar difficulty for a length of time will probably agree. Love the challenge this game provides and I'll be playing for the next 10 months, however some of the scripting and balancing acts are insulting to a hardcore football gamers intelligence.
Doesn't happen all the time but when it does fuck me be prepared for some pes rage, makes sure the pad is out of reach as well so your not tempted to launch it through the TV.
Luisao82
27-11-2011, 23:01
Actually, the more I play in SUPERSTAR level, the more I get convinced that I only get cheated when I allow it to happen.
AI does get more aggressive and skilful, specially when it desperately needs goals, but as I said before, the human player can also become more aggressive, cold and calculist, or use a lil more smartness to turn the increased agressivity of the AI against it.
It's all a matter of learning how to deal with it. It's well possible to 'stifle' the AI cheating. ;)
Moyesavelian
27-11-2011, 23:51
Actually, the more I play in SUPERSTAR level, the more I get convinced that I only get cheated when I allow it to happen.
They score on nearly every corner and free kick, it's a joke.
It gets a bit boring playing against the A.I because you can't really manipulate your players that much and pressure the A.I. because the harder you press the better the A.I gets.Basically if you want to be successful against the A.I on superstar you need to let the A.I just control your players and just use one man to chase the ball majority of the time.Even running down your opponent results in them upping there game.Most effictive is just jogging about and the A.I become human.
Last year if you got good at the game you could manipulate your defenders great for cutting out crosses etc... but this year you just have to hope and prey nearly all the time.
They need to bring back more user input into the game.
Luisao82
28-11-2011, 00:21
I can only summarize it like this: you really need to learn how to defend in this game. because you're obviously one of those guys who still don't got the grips.
The AI has a hard time scoring from FK's, crosses, CK's, Long Shots, Thru Balls, Mazing Runs,.... (you name it!)..... against me.
I can manipulate my players enough to defend (and attack) succesfully most of times.
The only time I let the AI control my player is when a thru pass is made and my last defender is fighting for the ball against an opponent. Other than that, I feel I'm totally in control of my players, and they do what I want them to do.
Also, defending in PES 2012 is being discussed in some other threads. You should investigate for some recommendations and tips. You obviously don't know how to defend in PES 2012. So, first you must learn, then you can criticize. ;)
Moyesavelian
28-11-2011, 17:00
I can only summarize it like this: you really need to learn how to defend in this game. because you're obviously one of those guys who still don't got the grips.
The AI has a hard time scoring from FK's, crosses, CK's, Long Shots, Thru Balls, Mazing Runs,.... (you name it!)..... against me.
I can manipulate my players enough to defend (and attack) succesfully most of times.
The only time I let the AI control my player is when a thru pass is made and my last defender is fighting for the ball against an opponent. Other than that, I feel I'm totally in control of my players, and they do what I want them to do.
Also, defending in PES 2012 is being discussed in some other threads. You should investigate for some recommendations and tips. You obviously don't know how to defend in PES 2012. So, first you must learn, then you can criticize. ;)
If your on the pc,come online and i'll show you how bad i am at the game.
People like you annoy me thinking that it's always the users fault because your so good at the game and in no way is the game flawed.
So don't come in here all high and mighty because i was doing very well in ml on superstar with manual pass, what is no easy task with the defaults .I betyou started with Real Madrid didn't you. If your so good at defending in the box to cut out the crosses and tell me the off the ball control is acceptable go and play online. But of course you will have no problem online defending crosses neither because your the best aren't you.
You know what, I AM SO ANGRY ABOUT THE STUPID RIDUCLOUS SCRIPTS.
I was AIK versing Bolton, a better team than me. First half I was winning 2-0 with 60% possession then in the last 20 mins I try playing keepball. HOwever, the scripts were so big, my defenders couldn't even recieve passes leading to a goal. Take note that this is a one-legged cup match so if you win, you've progressed to the next round. Then I take kick-off and long ball it to my goalie to play keepball from the centre circle and he just lets it bounce off his leg for a corner. Next thing you know they've scored, 2-2. It was heading for extra time but those idiots had to keep on cheating and ricardo Gardner magically waltzed through all my defenders, shot feinted my keeper and my keeper bought him down and it was a fricking penalty for christ sake.
They score and I take kick-off and it finishes straight away.
This is cheating and it happens when you are beating a team better than you in one-leg and I was so angry I kicked the wall leading to a broken toe.
Thanks KONAMI, you fail miserable when it comes to programming
I really am sorry to hear all of the problems people are facing with this years game. I too am experiencing this playing in my master league and I really have started to generally not give a shit and not even play the game versus AI. I only tend to play mates online or get some of the boys round and organise a mini tournament. Playing the AI after these games seems even worse when the momentum is with your team and you are winning then in the last 10 minutes of a game they turn it on and become football gods. Konami you do know how to make a great game and also mess one up!
Ha im actually feeling worse gettin cheated on my ml than when i found out an old girlfriend cheated on me!! Just played fc twente with liverpool conceded inside 5 mins to a dodgy scripted goal as i wasnt let control my defender buy no harm had plenty of time left......carroll nods in 2 before halftime and neymar dinks 1 on 70 mins so im plain sailing it seems! 87 mins gone twente cross the ball in my defender under no pressure and with me directing the header outfield puts it out for a corner........in comes the corner twente score to make it 3 2......i kick off pass it about and knock a lofted ball back to my cb who sends the tamest of backpass headers back to reina but reina decides its a bullet of a header and palms it over the bar corner comes balls in the net game over!! No scripting in this years ml me arse it riddled with it!!
Luisao82
29-11-2011, 07:09
If your on the pc,come online and i'll show you how bad i am at the game.
People like you annoy me thinking that it's always the users fault because your so good at the game and in no way is the game flawed.
So don't come in here all high and mighty because i was doing very well in ml on superstar with manual pass, what is no easy task with the defaults .I betyou started with Real Madrid didn't you. If your so good at defending in the box to cut out the crosses and tell me the off the ball control is acceptable go and play online. But of course you will have no problem online defending crosses neither because your the best aren't you.
1. We can arrange an online game, I'm good with that. ;)
2. Actually, I also get quite annoyed by people like you.
And no, the 'always the user's fault' idea is not my thing. And I say that because months ago, I was always complaining online about the numerous flaws of PES 2011... but rightly so, as I focused my complaints on serious blunders like the catch up bug or some idiotic things about the 2011 BAL (like donkey tactics, Barry being played as a SS in Man City or the dumbness of my AI controlled teammates).
3. The AI has it's flaws? No doubt.
But does this means that the human player can't do anything about them, at all? Only if he's a lazy sucker.
4. I never played with Real Madrid. I usually play with Newcastle and Benfica. ;)
5. I don't know about defending crosses online against you. But against my mates, I'm quite succesful at it. I rarely suffer a goal from crosses or CK's.
6. If I'm the best? Not by a mile.
I just can't stand guys who bitch about a specific feature being flawed (like suffering goals from almost every CK), when I know that it's not a flaw of the game... it's their own.
It's not our fault if they score corners with my keeper letting it past him in the last minutes eventhough in the first-half when I let in goals from corners I don't mind because it wasn't my keepers fault. And the fact every corner they take and you defend it it goes straight back to them and when I take corners and it gets defended, it goes to the opposition every time. This is clear scripting and whats worse your players don't even try challenging for the ball.
Luisao82
29-11-2011, 09:04
It's not our fault if they score corners with my keeper letting it past him in the last minutes
I've already said that GK's in PES are one of the main flaws. They simply suck, it's a shame.
And the fact every corner they take and you defend it it goes straight back to them (...) This is clear scripting and whats worse your players don't even try challenging for the ball.
I definitely don't relate to many complaints in here.
When I clear a CK from the AI, it sometimes goes to an adversary, sometimes it goes to one of my players. I even start many counter attacks that way.
It really depends on the situation.
As for players not even trying to challenge for the ball, probably that only happens in the unpatched PC version, or in the PS3 version (anyway, people already know that the PS3 version is a bit fucked up, so arguing anymore about the flaws in that case is kinda pointless.... the PS3 version IS A FLAW).
I just have to ask you guys: How is it possible in programming to implement a cheat feature, that the cpu team can just turn on as they like?
Sure some crazy shit happens in this version of pes and i've seen insane come backs as well - and made some myself. We never complaint when cpu is 2-0 up and we score the 3-2 winning goal in the 89th minute :)
It's possible as KONAMI could program it like this
'Whenever a CPU os losing to a team worse than them, do your best to score from every ricochet'
It's not a cheat, it's just random scripting.
And btw Luisao, it only happens when you are winning a team better than you in the dying moments. You should notice this mostly in Master League Patch 1.02 on any difficulty
Ive heard its not as bad playing it straight out of the box without the konami updates can anyone confirm or deny this? On ps3 btw! It seems the pc version is the way to go this year!
straight out the box has less scripts and superstar doesn't have any so the AI is better in every way. Players are positioned better and it feels more realistic and free. However the keepers are worse than patch 1.02 and you can't play online.
^^^^......i heard that alright about not being able to play online so dont think I'll remove the updates as im intending on breaking my online virginity 2nite now ive a good connection!
^ Abu is definetely right about the keepers. Even in the latest patch they're absolutely horrible - at both ends of the pitch to be honest. It's a big fat joke. I still see my keeper run kinda sideways when rushing out (triangle button) which was a huge bug in pes 2009 i remember.
^ Abu is definetely right about the keepers. Even in the latest patch they're absolutely horrible - at both ends of the pitch to be honest. It's a big fat joke. I still see my keeper run kinda sideways when rushing out (triangle button) which was a huge bug in pes 2009 i remember.
That is a major problem I have- when your keeper rushes out and runs side to the player leaving the player just to run past him. Hate that so much and that is because of the poor keeper positioning
Luisao82
30-11-2011, 08:00
It's possible as KONAMI could program it like this
'Whenever a CPU os losing to a team worse than them, do your best to score from every ricochet'
It's not a cheat, it's just random scripting.
And btw Luisao, it only happens when you are winning a team better than you in the dying moments. You should notice this mostly in Master League Patch 1.02 on any difficulty
We all have already agreed that the game has it's fair share of scripting.
What I personally don't agree with some other guys is: in which way this cheating unfold.
Some say: it becomes impossible to intercept AI thru balls, AI players become unstoppable or every corner is a goal.
I say: that's BULLSH*T... and I say that because I do intercept AI thru balls, I do stop AI players (even the fastest and more skilled), I manage to clear 80% of the AI CK's and in many games I managed to win with clean sheets.
Like I said before, you guys are probably playing some f***ed up version of PES 2012. And I've already made some recommendations for that matter: try the PC version, apply the latest official patch and use Jenkey's Gameplay Tool.
Ive heard its not as bad playing it straight out of the box without the konami updates can anyone confirm or deny this? On ps3 btw! It seems the pc version is the way to go this year!
The PS3 version is a fail. I've been strongly recommending the PC version to everyone.
The latest official patch doesn't improve the keepers much, but apparently some gameplay issues and it clearly improves AI.
For instance, I found it disappointingly easy to disarm and foresee AI moves/intentions in the straight out of the box. But now (and combined with Jenkey's Gameplay Tool), AI is 'smarter', imprevisible, there's so much more improvement and variety in AI's moves, AI possession play, etc...
As for the scripts/cheats some people whine about, I can only say this to you: I play SUPERSTAR level, and the only considerable cheating I notice is that AI players become a bit more skilled and accurate when the AI needs goals. But as I said before, it doesn't become unstoppable by any means.
Also, read my comments above (on Abu97's quote) for more information on this matter.
Ali_BWFC
30-11-2011, 10:28
^ Abu is definetely right about the keepers. Even in the latest patch they're absolutely horrible - at both ends of the pitch to be honest. It's a big fat joke. I still see my keeper run kinda sideways when rushing out (triangle button) which was a huge bug in pes 2009 i remember.
It's kind of the same as the player movement onto through passes - it's poor to say the very least, and completely automated.
^ Yes it can be strange at times. However i've taken luisaos advice: when cpu is making through balls just do nothing, and your defender will know how to position himself. It's bad that we can't do it ourselves, but it actually works if i don't press anything and let the defender intercept the ball. try it ALI
Ali_BWFC
30-11-2011, 11:58
^ Yes it can be strange at times. However i've taken luisaos advice: when cpu is making through balls just do nothing, and your defender will know how to position himself. It's bad that we can't do it ourselves, but it actually works if i don't press anything and let the defender intercept the ball. try it ALI
I thought this years PES was supposed to be about freedom? It's not freedom if your players do it themselves. Is just as bad when you try to play a pass to one of your players. Why Konami have done it this way, I'll never know. Like most things with the gameplay, it's probably just another way to limit the amount of goals you score - instead of making decent AI, they put a load of shit crapness in like this. :rolleyes:
Luisao82
30-11-2011, 13:16
instead of making decent AI, they put a load of shit crapness in like this. :rolleyes:
This one sentence kinda makes me wonder whether the rest of your comments deserve some credit or not.
The game is not perfect, but it's far from what you and some other guys are trying to make it out to be.
There's enough freedom in this PES to make it a pleasant game. About the thru balls issue:
http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=87992
The AI of this game is not sublime but it is very decent and with some flaws, but relatively well scripted. Definitely one of the most captivating, challenging and adaptive, and in some crucial aspects, more human-like than any soccer sim I've played in all my life.
But you talk like if it is a total crap.
Give me a break. Or you're just another PS3 user.
@Louisao82
amen! =) Just what I was thinking.
I haven't had a single situation where I thought I couldn't have prevented AI from doing whatever they just did. In fact, I probably had about the same amount of situations where I scored and thought "how the hell did I do that". I wouldn't call anything cheating.
Is AI super precise on free-kicks, corner-kicks, passes, timing etc? Yes, it's called "superstar" for a reason. Still, if you sharpen up your mind you can prevent most situations. And those that you can't...take it as the little portion of "reality" that they out in the game ;)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not satisfied with that game. Those are definetly flaws (only have PS3 version) that you can compensate, but still, they are flaws! The user shouldn't need to find out how to balance of the AI flaws, there should simply be no such errors.
Compared to PES2011 there are a lot of improvements, but what really bothers me is that the amount of "wth"-moments is just so much higher. Really frustrating :/
I thought this years PES was supposed to be about freedom? Where've you read that? ^^ All I know is that this years PES was about "crushing FIFA on gameplay". Not a tiny portion more "freedom" than you had in PES2011 -_-
Ali_BWFC
30-11-2011, 18:54
This one sentence kinda makes me wonder whether the rest of your comments deserve some credit or not.
The game is not perfect, but it's far from what you and some other guys are trying to make it out to be.
There's enough freedom in this PES to make it a pleasant game. About the thru balls issue:
http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=87992
The AI of this game is not sublime but it is very decent and with some flaws, but relatively well scripted. Definitely one of the most captivating, challenging and adaptive, and in some crucial aspects, more human-like than any soccer sim I've played in all my life.
But you talk like if it is a total crap.
Give me a break. Or you're just another PS3 user.
Don't insult me, I know what I'm talking about. I've been a PES player for over 10 yrs, and in MY, opinion PES 2012 is the worst yet.
You say the AI is well scripted.... well it shouldn't be, it should be intelligent enough to not be scripted. You see sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooo many things in PES matches that you would never (NEVER) see in a proper professional football match. It's laughably bad at times, and for me I just can't see how anybody can call it a good game. Sure, it can be fun at times when playing multiplayer, but technically speaking it's a fucking shambles.
Luisao82
01-12-2011, 06:06
Dude, in which sentence did I insult you? :/
As for a game being scripted, do you actually know a game that ISN'T scripted to a certain extent?! Even on situations were you have more than one possible outcome, all that happens was written to be that way.
The difference is that some games have more varied and complex scripts and others a more simplistic and arcadey.
Relatively to other soccer sims I've played, PES 2012 (at least the PC version), is well-scripted, well designed and satisfying.
Also, read kbon's post. Even though he plays a f**** up version of PES 2012 (PS3), he can still notice some positives in this game.
Makes me wonder, why the hell can't you only see negative things about it.
Ali_BWFC
01-12-2011, 07:19
Dude, in which sentence did I insult you? :/
As for a game being scripted, do you actually know a game that ISN'T scripted to a certain extent?! Even on situations were you have more than one possible outcome, all that happens was written to be that way.
The difference is that some games have more varied and complex scripts and others a more simplistic and arcadey.
Relatively to other soccer sims I've played, PES 2012 (at least the PC version), is well-scripted, well designed and satisfying.
Also, read kbon's post. Even though he plays a f**** up version of PES 2012 (PS3), he can still notice some positives in this game.
Makes me wonder, why the hell can't you only see negative things about it.
Well you questioned my PES knowledge. This is a great insult in my culture :realmad:
What version of the game are you playing? If it is the XBox version, than it can't really be any different than ps3, if it's the PC version then fair enough.
I think this years version of PES is the most scripted yet, this being my opinion. To me, it is quite blatant to the extent that I can spot about 90% of the AI goals coming before they get near my box. I can spot a lot of the goals coming in multiplayer too.... even for myself.
There are some positives, but they're through and far between for me, and the negatives outweigh them.
I've never been a PES hater before, and I would say that I'm still not one now, because I'm trying to like the game.... just finding it very hard to.
Luisao82
01-12-2011, 07:48
Well you questioned my PES knowledge. This is a great insult in my culture :realmad:
Sorry. I didn't mean to insult you.
What version of the game are you playing? If it is the XBox version, than it can't really be any different than ps3, if it's the PC version then fair enough.
I always play the PC versions.
To me, it is quite blatant to the extent that I can spot about 90% of the AI goals coming before they get near my box.
Then the PS3 version is really scripted in a more primitive way.
In the PC version, the AI will score from one attacking situation... but I'm well capable of stopping him for the next 10 similar situations.
No 'scripted events' there for me.
I think this years version of PES is the most scripted yet, this being my opinion.
There are some positives, but they're through and far between for me, and the negatives outweigh them.
Though I completely disagree, I'll respect your opinion.
Ali_BWFC
01-12-2011, 09:35
Sorry. I didn't mean to insult you.
I always play the PC versions.
Then the PS3 version is really scripted in a more primitive way.
In the PC version, the AI will score from one attacking situation... but I'm well capable of stopping him for the next 10 similar situations.
No 'scripted events' there for me.
Though I completely disagree, I'll respect your opinion.
The thing with the scripting, is that those who aren't "clued in" will always argue that there is no scripting, whilst those that are clued in, will always argue that it is blatant. Maybe it's different on PC because you can get decent fan-made patches and the like.
PES ha been scripted for a long time, it first became obvious during the ps2 days. When you've been playing it that long, you tend to notice the signs. What was the first PES/ISS game you played?
Luisao82
01-12-2011, 10:11
Read this:
As for a game being scripted, do you actually know a game that ISN'T scripted to a certain extent?! Even on situations were you have more than one possible outcome, all that happens was written to be that way.
Relatively to other soccer sims I've played, PES 2012 (at least the PC version), is well-scripted, well designed
How can you say that I argued that PES 2012 is script-free, when I clearly hinted that EVERY game has some scripting on it?
PES 2 was my first PES ever (it was class, BTW), but that's hardly relevant.
Even if I started from PES 2012, I would still have the same ability to identify a badly scripted game and a well scripted and more dynamic game.
Ali_BWFC
01-12-2011, 10:17
Read this:
How can you say that I argued that PES 2012 is script-free, when I clearly hinted that EVERY game has some scripting on it?
PES 2 was my first PES ever, but that's hardly relevant.
Even if I started from PES 2012, I would still have the same ability to identify a badly scripted game from a well scripted and more dynamic game.
I think we'll just have to agree to disagree, because this is just gonna go round in circles. I think PES 2012 is a shit but occasionally enjoyable game, you think it is a good and mostly (always?) enjoyable game.
Well you questioned my PES knowledge. This is a great insult in my culture :realmad:
Ali, my dear pal, you're from Bolton. There is no culture there :D
Ali_BWFC
01-12-2011, 12:14
Ali, my dear pal, you're from Bolton. There is no culture there :D
Two words - Vernon... Kaye.
*Snaps fingers, flicks head back, turns around and walks away in a rather camp fashion.*
Valmighty
01-12-2011, 17:50
The only thing the CPU cheat is unlimited money and no fatigue from international matches. Other than that, no.
The only thing the CPU cheat is unlimited money and no fatigue from international matches. Other than that, no.
What console and difficulty do you play on?
Also, do you play master league or are you judging this based on exhibition matches?
Hey guys about the scripting/cheating ive been fairly critical about it on this forum and rightfully so in my eyes coz i know what i saw when playing my ml! However i started a new ml a days ago and played on pro level to give it 1 last shot until hopefully a patch comes out to fix it!! Anyway my 1st half of the season i could honestly feel frustrated and hard done by by scripting but i continued on playin anyway! Now since then im 3 games away from the end of season and in that 2nd half of it ive barely noticed any bar maybe 2 games! Its been a joy to say the least! Now i dont know why its not as rife anymore if its coz of playing on pro level or what but theres rarely been late man utd like comebacks no last min goals and even the cpu misses free kicks!! Im confused yet happy i just hope it stays this way!
^ They announced an upcoming patch, so hopefully it will not only contain 3 pair of new boots and some stadiums :)
Valmighty
03-12-2011, 09:39
What console and difficulty do you play on?
Also, do you play master league or are you judging this based on exhibition matches?
8 years of ML in top player difficulty. PS3.
Also the FORM skill has no/minimum effects, unlike the predecessor.
8 years of ml in top player difficulty. Ps3.
Also the form skill has no/minimum effects, unlike the predecessor.
whaat?
Top player has the most scripts
The AI teams do in a way cheat, but not as you mentioned above. They don't cheat on field, they cheat off field, in an indirect way against you. Let me explain:
When playing ML and BAL you can qualify to the CL or the EL with your team. Has anyone noticed that clubs from the "Other European Teams" section (Bayern München, Zenith, Shakhtar Donetsk) simply cannot win or draw against teams from the full leagues(EPL, Serie A, PES League etc.)? I haven' seen this bug mentioned anywhere above.
So if one of the Champions League Groups has Rio Ave, Shakhtar, Bayern and Zenith, the group will always be won by Rio Ave with 18 points, because none of the 3 teams (or any other from their section for that matter) can't get a single f****** point against a team from one of the big leagues. Never ever. It just kills realism. Is there any way to change it...?
The AI teams do in a way cheat, but not as you mentioned above. They don't cheat on field, they cheat off field, in an indirect way against you. Let me explain:
When playing ML and BAL you can qualify to the CL or the EL with your team. Has anyone noticed that clubs from the "Other European Teams" section (Bayern München, Zenith, Shakhtar Donetsk) simply cannot win or draw against teams from the full leagues(EPL, Serie A, PES League etc.)? I haven' seen this bug mentioned anywhere above.
So if one of the Champions League Groups has Rio Ave, Shakhtar, Bayern and Zenith, the group will always be won by Rio Ave with 18 points, because none of the 3 teams (or any other from their section for that matter) can't get a single f****** point against a team from one of the big leagues. Never ever. It just kills realism. Is there any way to change it...?
No wonder I always drew matches with Genk in the D2 league - if what you say is true, which I wouldn't be surprised about anyway, KONAMI need to fix up.
I got forced to start another master league with the default team because all my matches were 1-1 draws
Formaggio
16-12-2011, 14:35
HWRyan,yes, that's the way it works. It's pretty twisted.
Hard to believe this is what they created. So poorly done. Someday this game will get taken in the right direction by people that know what they are doing.
You'd think that the people who make football games would want to make the most realistic game possible. I used to play the sport for years. This has to be the most unrealistic football game you could ever create. It's as if they know nothing about the sport. Though i'm sure they are true fans of the game, they cannot for the life of them translate their love for the sport to the computer screen.
Since there are only 2 football simulation games out there to purchase, that makes this the worst football simulation on the market.
I just rage quit and then rage sold pes 2012 on ebay. i9 was furious with the scripting.
I battered swansea as man utd then they scored a free kick 1st shot on target, all my players in the wall jumped except the one who the ball went over, and my player on the line DUCKED so the ball went in.
maybe next year they wont fuck it up
GUYS, I JUST FOUND OUT A SOLUTION.
Remember patch 1.00 where superstar was so balanced and a lot of people said it was easier than top player. Well after every patch, superstar becomes more scripted as KONAMI found out that it has to be harder than top player. So after having a few tests, I have found out that top player in patch 1.03 is nearly the same as superstar in patch 1.00. Also, superstar in patch 1.03 is a cheat fest like the original top player.
So therefore, top player is more free and everything feels in your control. Shooting feels more accurate and not every team plays the same!!!! Every player doesn't make pique interceptions and have 99 ball control so TOP PLAYER IS DEFINATELY THE MOST BALANCED PATCH.
My recent results on top player -
Defailt team vs cantlespir (the team in D2) = 1-0 (I won)
Default team vs West Brom = 3-2 (I won luckily in the last min with a last-gasp header)
You might be thinking it's unrealistic to beat west brom with default team however my default team is 1 season forward so a lot of players have come in or improved. Also I was lucky as I hardly touched the ball as they kept long periods of possession but in the end, the CPU threatened a lot but I kept a deep defensive line to stop any ridiculous or scripted goals.
Try it yourself please and I am sure you'll be satisfied that on patch 1.03, top player feels so balanced and real
Boca Junior
17-12-2011, 18:00
GUYS, I JUST FOUND OUT A SOLUTION.
Try it yourself please and I am sure you'll be satisfied that on patch 1.03, top player feels so balanced and real
Thats a good thing. Only funny we have to find out ourselves how to make this game work and fun
I thought konami was the developer
Lets hope the got it right with pes 2013 still a long wait till oct next year
basilyeo
28-12-2011, 20:21
meh I was playing against Chelsea at home in the CL Round of 16 and it was 1-1 at 89min. I was shadowing Torres with Thiago Silva and when Mikel made his pass to Torres from inside the box, my defender collected it cleanly and whaddya know! Penalty! Aquilani had for some reason brought down Mikel from behind and CPU had a penalty! Which I luckily saved though.
however, after that Chelsea went on god mode and just kept coming and coming until Abbiati came out of the box and fouled Torres (thanks to the stupid goalkeeper rushing out for no reason bug) and they scored and took home two away goals with a 2-1 lead. :realmad:
I eventually went out after drawing 1-1 in the second leg. amazingly enough, I had 18 shots of which only 1 was on target and that was the goal. :erm:
has anyone noticed the problem between playing against CPU and playing against a real opponent when your shooting just seems to suck while playing the former? I average about 80% of my shots on target every game against a real opponent but against a CPU the percentage just goes down to 25-30%?!
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