Mafia Wars V2: "Midnight Mass...Murder" (Day 8) [Archive]

Michu

06-12-2011, 20:01

... Prologue ...

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... Calvieri’s Casino ... It’s not so much a Casino but a hold up for old crooks. I thought prison was tough but here you fuck up and its ‘in the executive elevator’ for ‘chat’. Most guys don’t fuck up. Those who do, don’t tend to be much use after their ‘chat’ ...

... If I end up under the parking lot no-one gonna miss me, certainly not the cops. They’re bought and paid for... and with all major crime channelled through the Casino no-one fucks with the Calvieri’s. Vito got offered a ‘house’. Dumb fuck accepted. He’ll try to leave town first night he’s there. Police will stop him. He’ll be dead before sun-rise. You don’t take gifts outside of the Casino ...

... This place is a front, it’s as crooked as the guys that work here overseeing ‘business’. The business being drying, dumbing and dolling*. There the odd perk depending on the family mood. You get liquour, drugs and maybe an hour with a whore off her face on opiate ... if the family ain't in a great mood you might be lucky if you don’t get the shit kicked out of you for speaking out of place. Even if you ain’t speaking out of place ... You just don't say shit ...

... Most of us live on site, those of value do anyhow. If you’ve served time behind bars ... it ain’t that far removed ... hardly a life style change leaving prison and being ‘employed’ here. There ain’t much else to do for yourself when you get out Castagna’s, this place is the nearest town. It’s an easy choice to make if you want to stay alive...

... We all play cards Saturday nights, members of the family too. You never never win a hand against the family. There’s this strange protocol, with the playing cards, something weird with the suits, story has it someone outside of the family was found with the 8 of clubs in his room, never seen again ...

*Money Laudering, drug trafficking & prostitution

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... It wasn't too long ago, Tuesday 6th December when Oscar Polizzi and Gianluca Pelicano rolled in. Sure we all crooked but we played by the rules. The families rules. I remember the Pole, Jacek Wierciewska, guys called him 'Ice'. They thought it was clever but on the poker table he was a cold bastard who'd clear you out everytime. He had a nice number here, he worked the halls shook down any would be cheating punters just with his presence. He wanted a bit too much though. Started cheating some of the guys at cards. There are two things that don't survive at Calvieri's. Schmucks and secrets. Ice had them both. One night after a game he just disappeared. We all thought he'd been hiding Aces up his sleave. All I know is he made a comment about one of the cards in the families deck. Something odd. Boom. He's outta here. Schmucks and secrets .... thats what Pelicano and Polizzi are.

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I've been here a while now. Somethings changed. Some of the guys, they won't say nothing no more about the family. After Ice two other guys got 'lifted' for speaking about the Calvieri's. It didn't used to be like this when Claudio Andrezetti-Calvieri ruled the roost. I don't even know if he's still even in this place anymore. I know I don't want to be here anymore. Even in a town where the Police are as crooked as the criminals ... I'm not safe here. If I ever was. Gianni says there's a big movement of 'produce' being shifted soon, the family are having it moved via the playing cards. The cards are removed and placed in the decks, shrink wrapped and outta town with a Police escort. No matter what shit goes down here ... it always comes back to the cards ...

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... lets call this Day 1 of a new life at Calvieri's. Or the end of an old life ...

Rules:

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a. You cannot post your Private Message received from the moderator (i.e me) in the Game Thread or anything sent to you by myself in a Private Message during the game.

b. You cannot post in the game thread during the night phase of the game.

2. All bluffing and general lying is permitted in the Game Thread ... as long as it does contravene Rule Number 1.

3. You cannot send Private Message to other players during the duration of the game. Mafia Members should converse via Chatzy and only during the night phase of the game.

4. The name of the game is subterfuge and as such please expect unusual events. If you have questions please refrain from posting them in the thread but directly PM me.

5. Upon your death from the game you are no longer permitted from posting anything other than a 'goodbye.'

6. Additionally upon your death you are forbidden from discussing anything regarding your role or speculating in the thread or by PM to other active players.

And finally ... please adhere to your game roles as per the Private Message sent by myself.

The game will be punctuated with activity from the Narrator the "3 of Hearts".

Dale C.

06-12-2011, 20:17

What are the times? Does Day 1 start now? When does Day 1 finish etc.

Nifty1Pound50

06-12-2011, 20:18

Ah, shit.

Always the first to arrive. 'Clockwork.' That's me alright.

Ah well, can't never be late. These bullets won't find their cowboys without me.

Dale C.

06-12-2011, 20:18

That's ok, I always knew I was invisible anyway.

Michu

06-12-2011, 20:20

... Shift finishes at 10pm tomorrow night ...

http://www.cardpokertips.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/god_gamblers_gal.jpg

06-12-2011, 20:20

So it's a casino theme, how about 'Mafia Wars V2: All In'

Nifty1Pound50

06-12-2011, 20:20

That's ok, I always knew I was invisible anyway.

You's supposed to be in here?

Michu

06-12-2011, 20:22

ADMIN/MOD: Please can you update the title from Working title to "Midnight Mass ... Murder" and add Day 1 to the title as well.

Cheers

fick

06-12-2011, 20:24

You's supposed to be in here?

Only if he plays his cards right... :hmm:

and add Day 1 to the title as well.

Done.

muscularmatt

06-12-2011, 20:25

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Dale C.

06-12-2011, 20:26

What the hell is going on?! I think I need to read the first few posts again :lol:

06-12-2011, 20:28

:banplz: for Matt!

Phatmann

06-12-2011, 20:30

Who edited Matt's post? That's a terrible abuse of power. :folarm:

muscularmatt

06-12-2011, 20:34

Isn't it just? I know it wouldn't have been you Saint Michael, you're better than that.

Nifty1Pound50

06-12-2011, 20:35

Only if he plays his cards right... :hmm:

'Slick' Fick. Still a wiseguy, huh?

The administration don't pay you to tell jokes. Go help the rest of the crew with the dice.

Big night tonight - don't let the boss down.

Fellas - listen up; who's got the black book?

fick

06-12-2011, 20:36

Who edited Matt's post? That's a terrible abuse of power. :folarm:

That's twice it's changed now :D

Isn't it just? I know it wouldn't have been you Saint Michael, you're better than that.

He's a Utd fan. It raises him above mortal men.

Hunter

06-12-2011, 21:51

Fellas - listen up; who's got the black book?

That'd have to be the powers above the Casino, unless of course, the Calvieri's have managed to spread corruption wisely.

I think, at this particular stage, the best thing we could do is simply read the opening prologue repeatedly, see if we can distinguish the buttons, and search for clues.

Cosa ne pensi?

Amateur

06-12-2011, 21:55

Thinks to himself: "this town is going to shit.... fucking wiseguys are nothing but common religious prostitutes buying their way around the laws, wishing they could actually literally fuck themselves without the help of life outside their own deprived souls; they deserve death, and I shall feel no remorse"

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Nifty1Pound50

06-12-2011, 22:01

Michu

06-12-2011, 23:10

... Voting thread open ... voting for Day 1 closes 9:50pm GMT Wednesday 7th December ...

Bammers05

06-12-2011, 23:14

I notice there's a character in the prologue, who goes by the name of Ice. Iron City's initals are 'IC', which is almost 'ice'...see where I'm going here? :shifty: I am, of course, kidding.

On a serious note, it's interesting that Hunter asks us to look in the prologue for clues, when we all know that Sminky, almost certainly, won't have put clues in there. It's like he's trying to send us on a wild goose chase, rather than looking for proper clues :hmm:

Hunter

06-12-2011, 23:17

It's almost as if Bammers doesn't want us to progress... :hmm:

Bammers05

06-12-2011, 23:18

I do want us to progress, Hunter. I just feel that doing so by trying to interpret Sminky's prologue, when there's almost certainly no interpretation to be had, would be running up a blind alley.

Hunter

06-12-2011, 23:25

I do want us to progress, Hunter. I just feel that doing so by trying to interpret Sminky's prologue, when there's almost certainly no interpretation to be had, would be running up a blind alley.

I think you helped me out there.

What else do we have to go on, considering we're just a few hours into the War?

We might as well see if we can pinpoint anything from the prologue, because who knows, noting our thoughts early on may help us further down the line when trying to piece the puzzle together.

chelsea11

06-12-2011, 23:26

This is the only thing I hate about this game. How to start the bloody thing. What do we have to go on so far? Nothing at all really. It's only really the 2nd/3rd day that anything comes to light.

Amateur

06-12-2011, 23:29

Those powers above are the very same ones attending the grand ceremony tonight, so we need no fuck ups. Capiche?

We can't have none of those racket-runners in here tonight. No-one's big enough to buy a seat at the Calvieri blackjack tables tonight. We've gotta go legit.

Now go fetch me that black book - this place is gonna be crawling with parliamentary types, government feds who like a drink and a honey or two for the night. They might fix a few things, but no way the gambling commission will turn a blind eye to the racketeers. I've been hearing talk on the pipe that Phat Mikey is in the area.

Slick Fick - circulate the name to all the workers. We need to make it clear he's not welcome here tonight. Not him - not none of his crew.

We's got work to do, boys. Knuckle down. I've heard even Calvieri himself will be here come opening time. I'll be in my office sorting out paperwork until the time comes.

Clockwork. Always the first to arrive. Knows all the names. Bossing around yet talking about the boss. You are the type of worker who will readily accept a nice payment on top of your actual income, and nobody below you would know about it, which makes you unreliable under such circumstances.

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In this world there's two kinds of people, my friend. Those with loaded guns, and those who dig. Slick Fick. Phat Mikey. Shifty Nifty. They all sound like loaded guns to me.

You make a good point, more or less what I was thinking to myself; though of course, we still have to ask ourselves, for which side are they playing?

Michu

06-12-2011, 23:31

... Gianni got the 'call' earlier ... He tried to shove some cards in my pocket after Poker. They weren't Hearts or Diamonds. I brushed him off. Its Dog eat Dog ... I was surprised to see him alive an hour later. Looks like he ditched the cards ... he's on 'Produce duty' now. He'll be restricted to handling the distribution on the backline. Looks like the Calvieri's don't trust him but still need him ... If he knows something he's dead ... I don't want to know either way. I like breathing ...

http://www.cardpokertips.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/god_gamblers_gal.jpg

Bammers05

06-12-2011, 23:31

I think you helped me out there.

What else do we have to go on, considering we're just a few hours into the War?

We might as well see if we can pinpoint anything from the prologue, because who knows, noting our thoughts early on may help us further down the line when trying to piece the puzzle together.

I suppose we don't have much to go on just yet, but I'd be surprised if Sminky had hidden anything in the prologue. We're much better off examining people's posts, in my opinion.

I was also surprised that you were directing people to examine the prologue - fair enough if you thought they could find clues that you couldn't, but it would seem to me that you should've examined it yourself first and stated if you'd found anything, whereas, the way you've done it, makes it seem like you're directing people to just examine that and look for unlikely clues there, while he mafia sit on their hands, stay silent and wait.

chelsea11

06-12-2011, 23:41

It's all fair and well examining people's posts Bammers but at the moment, that isn't a lot of posts to examine.

Matt just voted for you by the way. :lol:

Bammers05

06-12-2011, 23:44

To be expected. I feel Matt will be voting for me every round, for reasons which I'm sure are obvious.

I don't mind people examining the Prologue, but I'm just suspicious, because Hunter's telling other people to do it, rather than doing it himself, showing us his findings and asking everyone to examine it then.

Hunter

06-12-2011, 23:44

I suppose we don't have much to go on just yet, but I'd be surprised if Sminky had hidden anything in the prologue. We're much better off examining people's posts, in my opinion.

I was also surprised that you were directing people to examine the prologue - fair enough if you thought they could find clues that you couldn't, but it would seem to me that you should've examined it yourself first and stated if you'd found anything, whereas, the way you've done it, makes it seem like you're directing people to just examine that and look for unlikely clues there, while he mafia sit on their hands, stay silent and wait.

Everyone has alternative perspectives, so if we all really went through Sminky's posts and dissected them, the chances are, our thoughts and what the prologue/story mean may differ, just slightly, but still it could be enough to then spark a debate and come to some understanding.

I'm still going through it, reading it several times, just trying to really understand it. It's difficult to say the least given how limited the information is, but it's still worth looking at, as it could essentially be the foundation of the game, and the more we understand it, the better chance we have to win.

I'm reading the story in silence, and also with various music to see if any thoughts can be sparked.

Michu

06-12-2011, 23:45

... A minimum 10 show of hands required for a majority vote. In the event of a majority vote the recipient will suffer a work based 'mishap' ...

Phatmann

06-12-2011, 23:47

I've read through the prologue and there isn't much to take from it. It suggests there are cops among us and says that there's something suspicious relating to the 8 of clubs but I can't see much else. Sminky also mentioned the cards in his recent little post so I'm guessing it's some sort of calling card type thing?

Hunter

07-12-2011, 00:04

Phatmann

07-12-2011, 00:31

I get the feeling that the 3 of Hearts could be a sort of Henry Hill character - no, not the bald fella on ITV with the big collar and glasses, the Ray Liotta character in Goodfellas.

Dragonfly

07-12-2011, 00:35

I see only a couple of us have changed our avatars to fit in with the game. A bit disappointing.

From reading the prologue, I can see there will most likely be a crooked cop or two.

EDIT:

Agreed, Phatmann. It does come across as an autobiographical narration.

Phatmann

07-12-2011, 00:54

I would change mine but in the last Mafia Wars everyone insisted that I don't change it.

Dragonfly

07-12-2011, 00:56

Couldn't you have a sig?

Phatmann

07-12-2011, 01:02

Sorry DF but I don't smoke. :troll:

I'll see what I can do.

Hunter

07-12-2011, 01:05

I guess, you could change it Phat, just so long as it's changed back once the War is over (we still need a Phatmann Avatar Appreciation Day).

I'm in a bit of dilemma. I love the Christmas theme of my avatar/sig, so changing it will be painful. I couldn't change just one either, I'd have to go the whole way to really keep the theme running. These Wars tend to last at least two weeks though, which heavily clashes with the build up to Christmas.

Arghh. Confusion!

Dragonfly

07-12-2011, 01:09

Phatmann

07-12-2011, 01:12

Hunter, you played Mafia II didn't you? How about something based around the snow-covered levels at the beginning of the game?

Hunter

07-12-2011, 01:19

Hunter, you played Mafia II didn't you? How about something based around the snow-covered levels at the beginning of the game?

I didn't play Mafia II unfortunately.

But thanks for the ideas guys. I think I can really spin this round into a great Mafia/winter theme. My mind immediately races to Pine Barrens episode in The Sopranos, which is a personal favourite of mine - so I'll definitely look into that more tomorrow (I'm off for two days now, and I've also bruised my ankle a bit today, so I'm using it as an excuse to lay around, read, watch documentaries etc.) I will check this thread tomorrow though, and then begin delving into the idea of a Mafia/winter theme to my avatar/sig.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

Amateur

07-12-2011, 09:09

Some of my thoughts on the prologue:

Who/what is 3 of Hearts?

We're thrust into this first-hand account of the Calvieri's Casino, with quite immersive set pieces, however with select details. It's interesting to say the least. Is this first-hand account worth noting?

It seems there are Cops involved, but given the prologue, is there more than one Cop? If so, it seems that there could be some corruption involved, with the/a Cop teaming up with the Calvieri’s.

There is mention of a prison, called Castagna’s. Maybe this will come into play, involving a new role, or not? Perhaps a way of mafia communicating with those who become locked up during play (killed) - getting messages of perceptions and ideas to one another? Perhaps a reach, but still, I think it’s worth at least mentioning. We’ve nothing else right now, so making check lists that we can possibly come back to in the future may be helpful.

There’s some mysterious power, or legend surrounding the ‘suits’. Maybe the suits aren’t even in reference to the cards, but a group; security of some form?

It's certainly quite intriguing I think. Obviously there's nothing set in stone whatsoever, but it may help us remain on our toes, and to keep our corners covered in case any surprises arise. We can then refer back to all of our opening thoughts on the prologue here and see how we can advance logically from that point.

Those are good observations, and are certainly appreciated, as I feel it keeps me informed and gives me an idea of the scope of this game.

For my part, I really haven't invested enough time on the prologue to really formulate something specific enough, so that I feel deserves to be shared with the public: the most I can say at the moment, is that I strongly suspect that "3 of Hearts" is one of us, he has a role, and one of us is him.

Of course, this would mean that the prologue must have clues, and we have to figure them out as best as we can. Of course I could be wrong, but I am suspicious enough to voice it; I will take a couple more looks at the prologue, see if I find anything else.

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I think the behavior of Bammers is suspicious, he starts with a joke, and then says that Hunter is suspicious because Hunter actually made a relevant observation; at the same time, the dynamic between Hunter and Bammers is suspicious altogether, are they in on the same joke or is it a genuine discussion?

That's a very strong statement, I just think it is far too early to seriously consider suspicions that are not sustained by anything nearly close to concrete.

Concerning Hunter, I think it is not suspicious at all to say that the prologue could offer clues, it is a perfectly valid and logical observation, but it seems cautious and suspicious to direct others without offering your own perspective as a base; it gives the impression of a person who knows or suspects something, yet instead of saying what he knows or suspects, he prefers to simply direct others, so that other people can be the founders of the potential theories -- therefore adding to the post count, contributing to the foundation of theories, without really launching direct suspicion against anyone in particular, thus staying out of the heated discussions, which is classic mafia behavior (although there are exceptions).

Having said that, it is far too early to throw strong suspicions out there, there is approximately (if I'm not mistaken) about a 20% chance that Hunter might be a part of the mafia or something else working against the integrity of the town, and 20% is just not worth the discussion nor the time at such an early stage of the game.

As for Bammers, as it must be obvious, I do partly agree with him concerning Hunter (albeit not nearly as strongly as him); though at the same time, I think Bammers himself is suspicious, not so much because he suspects Hunter, but more so because he completely denies ("almost certainly" he said) that Sminky could have disseminated clues across the prologue. I mean, it is logical to suspect Hunter for the reasons that Bammers suspects him, but I think it is equally suspicious to completely deny and dismiss a perfectly logical observation; though, again, at the same time, the fact that Bammers suspects an actual character instead of merely trying to divert the attention upon a prologue, means that he is taking more risks, which is very unlikely for the mafia to do at such an early stage.

So it's just very difficult to seriously suspect either Bammers or Hunter at such an early stage.

On one hand, Hunter wanted to direct people to the prologue without saying what he thought about the prologue, this can be seen as suspicious, but it's also good, because people go and read the prologue without guidelines, and people should logically respond differently, because not only do people have different roles and therefore different information, but people also play for different sides with different roles on each side. So Hunter can look cautious and suspicious on one side of the coin, but on the other side he is doing a very logical and productive thing, which is to encourage discussion based on the only CONCRETE and OBJECTIVE source of information that we have right now.

On the other hand, Bammers is completely denying and dismissing a very logical and a very probable observation, which makes him suspicious, because there's really no logical reason to completely deny perfect logic. But at the same time, he is also exposing himself because he was the first person who created suspicion around a character, which is a risk or exposure that the mafia avoids, particularly at such an early stage of the game.

Joel

07-12-2011, 10:51

Enter Joel.

Don't change your avatar, Phat.

Just gone through the thread... Day 1 is toss.

Hunter

07-12-2011, 10:51

To be honest Amateur, the first part of your post could have been just 2 paragraphs, as you just repeated the same thing several times. :lol:

I understand where you're coming from though. The reason why I was suggesting that reading the proglogue could be a good idea, was simply to here everyone's thoughts on the matter. I'm an ideas guy. But I sometimes self-admittedly need a filter. I may come up with 10 ideas, but only 2 or 3 are actually very good. This is why I often like to hear people's thoughts on what I offer up, because I sometimes need an outside/alternative perspective to filter these thoughts, seperating the good from the bad. Bammers was immediately opposed to my thought, almost making me question myself as to whether it was even a good suggestion.

I happened to be also finishing off some other stuff at the time (Christmas shopping online/making notes of Christmas ideas in Word), and so was simply putting the idea of reading through the prologue forward so that other people could do so also, before we then all share our perspectives on what certain aspects of the prologue mean. An idea clicked as far as my Christmas shopping goes, and so I was making as many notes as I could and saving the Word document before these ideas and gifts slipped my mind, which is fair enough I think.

It's interesting to note though that the "3 of Hearts" could indeed be one of us. I'm going to give the prologue another couple of reads soon, to see if any different thoughts are sparked this morning (you never know), and I'll be viewing it with the perspective that the "3 of Hearts" is one of us, as opposed to merely a regular narration.

You see, this is why it's a positive thing to read the prologue I think. We've already grouped several varying ideas with regards to the prologue, and how there may be new roles etc.

Billy Minof

07-12-2011, 11:35

Enter Billy. :)

That'd have to be the powers above the Casino, unless of course, the Calvieri's have managed to spread corruption wisely.

I think, at this particular stage, the best thing we could do is simply read the opening prologue repeatedly, see if we can distinguish the buttons, and search for clues.

Cosa ne pensi?

Iv read it now several times, the main thing is that if there is a cop he is on the wrong side of the law so he works for the mafia, but in what capacity and what are his abilities?
Apart from that there isnt a lot to go on.

Those powers above are the very same ones attending the grand ceremony tonight, so we need no fuck ups. Capiche?

We can't have none of those racket-runners in here tonight. No-one's big enough to buy a seat at the Calvieri blackjack tables tonight. We've gotta go legit.

Now go fetch me that black book - this place is gonna be crawling with parliamentary types, government feds who like a drink and a honey or two for the night. They might fix a few things, but no way the gambling commission will turn a blind eye to the racketeers. I've been hearing talk on the pipe that Phat Mikey is in the area.

Slick Fick - circulate the name to all the workers. We need to make it clear he's not welcome here tonight. Not him - not none of his crew.

We's got work to do, boys. Knuckle down. I've heard even Calvieri himself will be here come opening time. I'll be in my office sorting out paperwork until the time comes.

2 things Iv noticed already, first thing you are using Mafia slang and the second is you are using it on members names indiscreetly at Phat Mike and Slick Fick and drawing attention onto them, do you have suspicions you need to inform us of???

I notice there's a character in the prologue, who goes by the name of Ice. Iron City's initals are 'IC', which is almost 'ice'...see where I'm going here? :shifty: I am, of course, kidding.

On a serious note, it's interesting that Hunter asks us to look in the prologue for clues, when we all know that Sminky, almost certainly, won't have put clues in there. It's like he's trying to send us on a wild goose chase, rather than looking for proper clues :hmm:

ICE is dead so it cant be Iron City.
As for reading the prologue for clues, its the first thing I done.

I suppose we don't have much to go on just yet, but I'd be surprised if Sminky had hidden anything in the prologue. We're much better off examining people's posts, in my opinion.

I was also surprised that you were directing people to examine the prologue - fair enough if you thought they could find clues that you couldn't, but it would seem to me that you should've examined it yourself first and stated if you'd found anything, whereas, the way you've done it, makes it seem like you're directing people to just examine that and look for unlikely clues there, while he mafia sit on their hands, stay silent and wait.

People who havent yet posted then wont be on our list of suspects, the Mafia may refrain from posting if they know that we are only voting for those who posted and that we are getting our suspicions from there, I say its best off to weed out the non posters first especially if they have been active but have just not bothered to post here as not to arise suspicion and draw attention to themselves.

I've read through the prologue and there isn't much to take from it. It suggests there are cops among us and says that there's something suspicious relating to the 8 of clubs but I can't see much else. Sminky also mentioned the cards in his recent little post so I'm guessing it's some sort of calling card type thing?

Yeah, thats what I got from it too.

Enter Joel.

:ohmy:

Joel

07-12-2011, 12:32

Hey Sminky, can you post a list of people who are in the game in the first post, please?

Edit: Don't worry. I see it in the other thread.

Phatmann

07-12-2011, 12:40

Hunter

07-12-2011, 12:46

Nifty1Pound50

07-12-2011, 13:14

2 things Iv noticed already, first thing you are using Mafia slang and the second is you are using it on members names indiscreetly at Phat Mike and Slick Fick and drawing attention onto them, do you have suspicions you need to inform us of???

You's guys is too quick to jump to conclusions, I tell ya.

Of course I know everyone's names - I've been working a living in this damn casino for 17 years now. I've seen 'em come. I've seen 'em go.

I started off as a floor-level, back-of-the-shack rookie. I worked hard, never missed a day of work in my life, and now I'm runnin' my own team of casino dealers. Even got "Manager" on my name-badge. It ain't glamorous, but it sure as hell pays the bills and supports my family.

You should keep your voice hushed if you're going to talk about the family so callous-like.

We all know Calvieri and his boys ain't no saints but they provide an income for me and an honest day's work here at the Calvieri Grand and I don't want no trouble because some loudmouth came shoutin' his mouth off about a bunch of rumours, y'understand?

Me and Slick been buddies here for years, now.

As a manager of the casino, I wanted the black book listing the names of the known crime affiliates who are gonna be barred from setting foot inside tonight. We've gotta big night ahead of us and I'm just doin' my job.

Four hours until doors open to the public. We got targets to hit. Roulette should be big business tonight, fellas. Let's make sure that mahogany is spit-shine clean.

And whatever you do, keep Phat Mikey outta here. He's no good for business, I'm tellin' ya.

Dale C.

07-12-2011, 13:35

Me and Slick been buddies here for years, now.

And whatever you do, keep Phat Mikey outta here. He's no good for business, I'm tellin' ya.

:hmm:

Either Nifty is being outraegously obvious, or he's not very good at this game, but both of those quotes suggest to me that either;

Nifty and Fick are mafia and Phats is Townie,

or

Phats is Mafia, and Nifty and Fick are Townies.

The way Nifty is writing could also suggest that he is a worker at the casino (possibly a neutral character, a dealer etc. who can reveal the allegiance of one person per day?? Or a security guard, suggesting he's a townie??).

I think we should look closer at what Nifty is saying guys. Not suggesting this in a bad light by the way, the way I see it is that A security guard for a casino would be a positive role for the town, much like the cop.

Joel

07-12-2011, 13:47

Nifty said before the game started that we should all talk in character, so we can't read too into it just yet. Plus, he's new to the game, so let's not us jump to conclusions just yet.

That paragraph will probably make me look like I'm defending Nifty, but I'm just throwing out some fachts.

Dale C.

07-12-2011, 13:49

Billy Minof

07-12-2011, 14:24

I'm assigning myself the character of the casino Gigolo.

Well then ill assign myself the role of checking the merchandise before it goes on public offer.

IronCity

07-12-2011, 15:03

so is this game about arguing whether or not we read the prologue or not? cool.

I ought to blow you all away; "It's like killing roaches - you have to kill 'em all, otherwise what's the use"?
http://www.chud.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Death_Wish_21.jpg

Ali_BWFC

07-12-2011, 16:31

Hmmm, I'm a bit late to the party, but it seems there are a few suspicions already. I think with thhe larger numbers in this game, it's not entirely beneficial to get a lynch in the first round, however, in the past couple of games, we have been pretty accurate with our instincts.

I can't see anything to confirm either way, but could there be more than one mafia group? It's something to consider of course, if there are two strongly suspected mafia members squaring off, they could be from 2 different mafia families.

chelsea11

07-12-2011, 17:30

Some Steve Mclaren fachts?

Yeah I was thinking that, but if he's talking in character, why has he assigned himself the character of somebody who works in the casino?

I'm assigning myself the character of the casino Gigolo.

I thought everyone was some sort of Casino character?

I'm a casino employee. (Sorry, I'm not good at creative writing so won't be doing role play)

IronCity

07-12-2011, 17:37

IronCity

07-12-2011, 17:51

To be honest Amateur, the first part of your post could have been just 2 paragraphs, as you just repeated the same thing several times. :lol:

we should have set Amateur's posts to a 2,500 character limit

Nifty1Pound50

07-12-2011, 19:18

Nifty and Fick are mafia and Phats is Townie

Me? Mafia?

I ain't never had respect for a criminal. I've made it my life's work to keep them out of this place.

You point that finger of your's elsewhere.

I read the lines, not in between the lines. I've learnt that in this line of work, you trust nobody that can't prove themselves as a good guy. You's are all the ones 'playing a game' - I'm jus' tellin' it straight.

I earnt the badge on my left breast here. I'll be damned if some conspiracist wants to take it away from me just 'cause I talk a certain way. I grew up here in this city. I serve this city. Now you wanna suspect me?

Michu

07-12-2011, 19:36

... I went to the Mens room earlier, well I tried. Management made it clear where I ought to be. I don't need to be told to Fuck off twice ... Looks like someone got the attention of the management ... its become a regular occurence, getting the shake down now and then when you least expect it ... not only that rest room during business hours is a good place to stash items you wouldn't otherwise try to ... or ought to ... The heavies love to sneer "I heard some stuff about you I don't like" when you're taking a piss. Most of the time they haven't heard nothing, but it serves to weed out the pussies from the psycho's ...

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Amateur

07-12-2011, 19:44

I thought the 3 of Hearts was just Sminky's role as the narrator of the game. If it was one of us, would they be posting through Sminky? That would be a bit silly as it would seem like they weren't interested in the game if they never posted under their username. Also, if he is one of us is he pro-mafia or pro-town? He seems to be involved with the mafia yet is happy to give away information about them.

Ask yourself this, why would Sminky call himself the "3 of Hearts"? I mean, what's the actual point? If you think Sminky is just having a laugh, I disagree...

I suspect that the "3 of Hearts" is one of us, and I think it is logical to argue that Sminky has implemented a new dynamic into the game, where he changes character and communicates different type of information from the lives of each different character; does that mean that Sminky is also communicating clues about who the "3 of Hearts" is? I do not think so. I think it's more a case of Sminky revealing basic information of who the "3 of Hearts" is as a character, so that we can later deduce "oh *insert name here* must be the 3 of Hearts" -- so in my opinion, it's not a case of "3 of Hearts" giving away information about them, it's more a case of the universe centering on the life of that character (however silly it might sound).

:hmm:

Either Nifty is being outraegously obvious, or he's not very good at this game, but both of those quotes suggest to me that either;

Nifty and Fick are mafia and Phats is Townie,

or

Phats is Mafia, and Nifty and Fick are Townies.

The way Nifty is writing could also suggest that he is a worker at the casino (possibly a neutral character, a dealer etc. who can reveal the allegiance of one person per day?? Or a security guard, suggesting he's a townie??).

I think we should look closer at what Nifty is saying guys. Not suggesting this in a bad light by the way, the way I see it is that A security guard for a casino would be a positive role for the town, much like the cop.

I do not strongly agree with anything you've said there, but I appreciate the fact that you have put some thought into it, and it does make sense, certainly something to consider.

Ali_BWFC

07-12-2011, 20:09

Me? Mafia?

I ain't never had respect for a criminal. I've made it my life's work to keep them out of this place.

You point that finger of your's elsewhere.

I read the lines, not in between the lines. I've learnt that in this line of work, you trust nobody that can't prove themselves as a good guy. You's are all the ones 'playing a game' - I'm jus' tellin' it straight.

I earnt the badge on my left breast here. I'll be damned if some conspiracist wants to take it away from me just 'cause I talk a certain way. I grew up here in this city. I serve this city. Now you wanna suspect me?

:hmm:

Should we be concerned by this double negative?

I'm not buying into this "3 of hearts" stuff so far.... I mean we all know how "Fixer's Prize" worked out don't we?

Amateur

07-12-2011, 20:16

I'm not buying into this "3 of hearts" stuff so far.... I mean we all know how "Fixer's Prize" worked out don't we?

Well "Fixer's Prize" clearly was one of us, and Sminky could have easily communicated information from the perspective of "Fixer's Prize" so that we had a better understanding of what the "Fixer's Prize" actually was; I think that the "3 of Hearts" might be an evolved version of the "Fixer's Prize".

Hunter

07-12-2011, 20:17

:hmm:

I'm not buying into this "3 of hearts" stuff so far.... I mean we all know how "Fixer's Prize" worked out don't we?

The thing with "Fixer's Prize" was that everyone focused on Fick for that particular scenario, and it was very specific. No one is saying anything is definite, and I think it's quite important that while we are all giving our thoughts on what has occurred so far, we're not necessarily jumping the gun like in previous Wars. I wouldn't call our discussions more 'reserved', but more 'logical' and sensible really.

Dale C.

07-12-2011, 20:20

I earnt the badge on my left breast here. I'll be damned if some conspiracist wants to take it away from me just 'cause I talk a certain way. I grew up here in this city. I serve this city. Now you wanna suspect me?

Easy, shifty. All i'm saying is we don't know nothing just yet, i'm just tryna' see what folk are buzzin' about. I've worked this strip for a few years now and I know not to go poking my nose in where it aint wanted.

Now, where dem hoes at :joel:

muscularmatt

07-12-2011, 20:23

I think it was Bammers.

Amateur

07-12-2011, 20:57

I ain't never had respect for a criminal. I've made it my life's work to keep them out of this place.

... Calvieri’s Casino ... It’s not so much a Casino but a hold up for old crooks.

Me? Mafia?

... This place is a front, it’s as crooked as the guys that work here overseeing ‘business’.

Now, what I think about that, can be resumed with a simple quote....

“A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within.” — Will Durant

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I read the lines, not in between the lines. I've learnt that in this line of work, you trust nobody that can't prove themselves as a good guy.

if the family ain't in a great mood you might be lucky if you don’t get the shit kicked out of you for speaking out of place. Even if you ain’t speaking out of place ... You just don't say shit ...

I earnt the badge on my left breast here. I'll be damned if some conspiracist wants to take it away from me just 'cause I talk a certain way. I grew up here in this city. I serve this city. Now you wanna suspect me?

... Gianni got the 'call' earlier ... I was surprised to see him alive an hour later. Looks like he ditched the cards ... he's on 'Produce duty' now. He'll be restricted to handling the distribution on the backline. Looks like the Calvieri's don't trust him but still need him ... If he knows something he's dead ...

As a manager of the casino, I wanted the black book listing the names of the known crime affiliates who are gonna be barred from setting foot inside tonight. We've gotta big night ahead of us and I'm just doin' my job.

... I went to the Mens room earlier, well I tried. Management made it clear where I ought to be. I don't need to be told to Fuck off twice ... Looks like someone got the attention of the management ... its become a regular occurence, getting the shake down now and then when you least expect it ...

Is Shifty Nifty "Gianni"?

Is Phat Mikey "3 of Hearts"?

Ali_BWFC

07-12-2011, 21:05

The thing with "Fixer's Prize" was that everyone focused on Fick for that particular scenario, and it was very specific. No one is saying anything is definite, and I think it's quite important that while we are all giving our thoughts on what has occurred so far, we're not necessarily jumping the gun like in previous Wars. I wouldn't call our discussions more 'reserved', but more 'logical' and sensible really.

Eh?

Sounds like the incoherant ramblings of a Mafia man.

Dale C.

07-12-2011, 21:10

What Hunter said makes perfect sense, what are you on about Ali :lol:

Hunter

07-12-2011, 21:13

What Hunter said makes perfect sense, what are you on about Ali :lol:

:lol:

At least it's not just me then.

Ali_BWFC

07-12-2011, 21:18

IronCity

07-12-2011, 21:24

three of hearts is one mafia gang made up of 3 members; c'mon we all know that. Hearts pound don't they. Nifty1pound50, nailed it, where are the real riddles?

Ali_BWFC

07-12-2011, 21:29

three of hearts is one mafia gang made up of 3 members; c'mon we all know that. Hearts pound don't they. Nifty1pound50, nailed it, where are the real riddles?

.... and spades are used to hit people and bury dead snitches, clubs are used to hit people, diamonds are bought with dirty mafia money.... I'm not sure what your point is. :)

Hunter

07-12-2011, 21:29

Sorry, I've read it again... I get what you're saying now.

I think we should try and pay more attention to what people are posting, than this "3 of hearts" stuff. I think that people trying to force the focus on to the 3 of hearts, are probably trying to deflect attention away from themselves.

That's essentially what I was getting at with the original post. :lol:

In the past, when we've made what we believe are discoveries at the time, we've all jumped the gun as I say, and began acting a bit irrationally through excitement. Which is why this time round, while it's good to make these observations as far as a checklist may go, and to just share our thoughts currently to get the ball rolling, we need not to get ahead of ourselves.

Michu

07-12-2011, 21:57

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/1026/calvieri.jpg

... 16 started and 16 survived Day 1 in the Calvieri halls ... Night one begins at 10:30pm GMT ...

fick

07-12-2011, 23:19

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/1026/calvieri.jpg

... 16 started and 16 survived Day 1 in the Calvieri halls ... Night one begins at 10:30pm GMT ...

Thank fuck for that, said I. Only got back to the club about 20 mins ago and had just been reading the crowd...

Not a lot to add. Nothing conclusive anyways. Had seen a couple of interesting notes, but nothing you'd like to bet your stack against.

Nifty was a player, that was for sure, but how long would he keep the facade? Tommy-boy was a talker. One day that kid would talk his own grave. Never could figure him for a bad guy though. Amateur? Hell, even his own ma would have a job keeping awake. And what of the 3 of Hearts? A codename? A player? Or a ruse? All too fresh yet. Not enough details.

Perhaps later, maybe a day or two at most, I'd start to figure something out. But for now? I had spoken to fate and she'd told me to keep my cards close, face straight and to keep a close eye around the table.

Fate's advice seemed sound enough. What's the worst that could happen? She'd seen me though one day so far, here's hoping she'd be kind through the night...

Michu

07-12-2011, 23:22

Can you change the title to Night 1 please. Ta.

Michu

08-12-2011, 00:47

To clarify game times ...

The Day phase is 8pm to 9:59pm GMT

The Night phase is 10pm to 7:59pm GMT

Day 2 begins 8pm GMT Thursday 8th December

Michu

08-12-2011, 20:01

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/1026/calvieri.jpg

... Gianni stopped me earlier by the slot machines, told me there’d be a scuffle out by the emergency exit with Polizzi and a heavy ... So what, big deal not my problem ... turns out it was more than a scuffle ... two hours later out some ‘suits’ carried his body out of the kitchen into the parking lot and dumped it in with the next shipment ... as a man Polizzi didn’t deal in heavy drugs but drank and smoked liked it was 20 minutes until closing time ...

... so it was a bit weird when Gianni said “Yeah, a real Amateur, he dosed himself alright. I ain't sayin’ for certain because you ain’t heard this from my lips but he was tampering with the elevators. Looks like he setup a sting to draw away the goon to the main elevator. A gambler started hitting the high notes on the Blackjack table, a couple of the coolers were already shaking down the roulette tables where, coincidentally, another couple of plains were piling the chips. Goon gets the call so yeah its all going like a rocket to the moon until he sets off a silent alarm tampering with the lift. Gets lifted. Now he's no more. Suspicious? Yeah so remember you talk of this, you’re on your own.”

Secrets get your killed, asking questions gets you trouble and getting involved gets you noticed. I’m getting myself chips for all three tables. Polizzi was a thief, but junkie he wasn’t. Impulsive he weren’t neither but access to the ‘family’ is only to those of us who get made ... he wasn't a made man, he was a crooked croupier.

... I gave Paolo a gentle reminder earlier that I when I ask questions, he’s wrong, I haven’t asked questions. You follow Paolo? So Polizzi had been stealing cards and other stuff, even magnets the crazy fuck .... looks like theft to order ... phrase I’ve heard several times over is “counterfeiting items of interest” ... Stinks of a setup ...

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http://www.rivercityrubberworks.com/images/products/2009-R.jpg

... To whom it may concern STOP ... situation resolved STOP ... target identity revealed as requested STOP

Name: Oscar “The Amateur” Polizzi

Aliases: Amateur

Allegiance: Casino Employee / Mischievous Townie / No Mafia affiliation

Role: Thief

Demise: 8th December, Cocaine induced respiratory and circulatory collapse.

STOP

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Rules:

Amateur you have been killed. You may no longer post in this thread. If you wish to comment on your brief stint in Mafia Wars V2 please use the thread titled “Dead Mans Lobby” You cannot reveal anything about your role until the game has concluded.

... Please adjust thread title to Day 2 Please. Thank you ...

Michu

08-12-2011, 20:04

... Day 2 ...

muscularmatt

08-12-2011, 20:06

Jesum crow you guys! That kid had a hell of a gob on him, but he was alright!

Dale C.

08-12-2011, 20:18

Misheavous Townie? This was either a townie role (with a funky name), a townie with a special ability, or a neutral townie, of sorts. Either way, we're down somebody who could have potentially hurt the mafia. :hmm:

Appswah

08-12-2011, 20:21

He was a thief. What he would steal I don't know..

What do people think about Amateur being killed off then?

Phatmann

08-12-2011, 20:38

I'm trying to figure out how the thief role could have worked. Maybe he had the ability to steal peoples wallets and therefore see their real identity i.e. if they are mafia or townie? The message from 3 of Hearts seems to suggest he was a crooked croupier who stole cards so maybe he was supplying the cards to those who were using them as calling cards or something? It says no mafia affiliation but maybe it was a case of whoever gave him the best custom. My instincts say he was a loss but I'm still not 100% on how he could have helped the town.

Another point is that there appears to only be one mafia unless there was a role blocker doing his job but I imagine that would have been re-told as an attempted kill.

IronCity

08-12-2011, 20:42

I'm banging Polizzi's sister, so big problem for me. It was only for fun, now she is going to need a shoulder to cry on and that is not where I am used to burying her face. Time to drop this broad off at the end of the block.

Dale C.

08-12-2011, 20:45

Hey Iron, that bitch gave me the god damned crabs a while back, i'd go get ya'self checked. :laugh:

Joel

08-12-2011, 20:48

Only one death may also rule out the role of a serial killer. Although we have to wait until tonight to be sure (even nights only).

Sucks that we don't know Amateur's affiliation. But right now I'd guess he was independent and had to steal to survive.

Dale C.

08-12-2011, 21:02

Sminky, did you mean misChievous townie??

Oh how one spelling mistake can mean a lot.

Amateur was a Townie, of course losing him is a blow.

Michu

08-12-2011, 21:04

Yes Dale, bit of a spellchecker fail there by me.

fick

08-12-2011, 21:22

So there it was. Amateur chipped out. Turned out he'd stolen his way here and been pinched early. The pun was intended, as it seemed was his demise.

Amateur had pointed a couple of fingers, nothing definite mind you. Had a habit of talking in riddles so you could never be sure. Have to remember the guy had his hand in the pot too. Trustworthy? Maybe not. Didn't look good on paper anyway.

What now? Dale's reaction caused a stir. It wasn't so much what the guy said, more the way he said it. Something didn't quite gel, but it was hard to place why. The place was still quiet. Looked like I'd have to wait for the place to get busy, maybe then someone might leak a clue...

Dale C.

08-12-2011, 21:38

Fick, why are you talking like the dead narrator from Sunset Boulevard? :lol:

Bammers05

08-12-2011, 22:03

Knock knock

Who's there?

Fick

Fick who?

Fick, stop talking weird :folarm:

fick

08-12-2011, 22:09

The Joker piped in. It was all I could do to not shove his bells down his throat...

muscularmatt

08-12-2011, 22:16

Ooooooohh do one about me!!

fick

08-12-2011, 22:43

I said no.

Bammers05

08-12-2011, 22:49

There once was a douchebag called Matt,

who happened to be rather fat,

he didn't read the thread,

so he ended up dead

and everyone called him a twat

:serial:

chelsea11

08-12-2011, 22:53

There once was a douchebag called Matt,

who happened to be rather fat,

he didn't read the thread,

so he ended up dead

and everyone called him a twat

:serial:

Have to spread the rep around first..

Back to the topic at hand. Amateur was killed off. Still nothing to go on though. Who else is playing this that hasn't said anything yet? I'm sure there was at least 10 names in the list I saw of people in this..?

Michu

08-12-2011, 22:54

Makavelian has yet to post.

Appswah

08-12-2011, 22:54

16 people started I think..15 now.

08-12-2011, 22:55

Well Amatuer is dead so, yes 15.

Bammers05

08-12-2011, 23:32

Appswah and ThierryHenry14...silent so far in this game...but start talking when they can get a nothing post in, which causes no suspicion...

'If you shoot at mimes, should you use a silencer?' Steven Wright

...methinks we have a suspect or two...

*cartwheels away*

09-12-2011, 00:29

Yeah took me about a year to read all the pages before actually writing a post!

Bammers05

09-12-2011, 00:37

Yeah took me about a year to read all the pages before actually writing a post!

'He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else.' Benjamin Franklin

09-12-2011, 00:48

Why you bustin in this joint accusin everyone of somethin' eh?

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muscularmatt

09-12-2011, 00:54

Because he's a bad man, Terry Henry. Wouldn't be the least bit surprised to learn he was one of those scum suckin' pirates.

Ali_BWFC

09-12-2011, 10:27

Hmmm, after the lynching of Amateur my suspicions are like this:

1) The folk who have commented immediately after Sminky's post - a little too eager perhaps.

2) Hunter - had issues with Amateur's long posts. I am suspicious of him for another reason too, in that he always seems to try to say the "right" things.

Hunter

09-12-2011, 10:45

2) Hunter - had issues with Amateur's long posts. I am suspicious of him for another reason too, in that he always seems to try to say the "right" things.

Everyone had an issue with trawling through Amateur's posts, let's not pretend I'm the only one! He's been told this for months now, by various members, so I know I'm not alone, and I'm sure he'll agree with me himself that he sometimes gets carried away, so I wouldn't read too much into that. I'd much rather have activity in this game, even if it means lengthier posts. It's better than no posts at all.

I think I'm glad you perceive them as the right things, but I just post what I believe is right at the time. I've not set anything down in concrete yet, which is understandable I think given how early we are in this stage of the game. But at least I've tried to bring some ideas to the table. I've mentioned earlier too that I sometimes need a filter for my ideas - that's where you brothers come in. But is not trying to make some points, checklists, identify potential characters and roles considered helpful anymore? Especially early on where's there's nothing else to discuss as such. Whether people think it's progressed us or not, I personally believe it has, because it's had us talking about the theme of the game and potential new roles, including possibly a new corrupt Cop, which seems likely I think.

One thing I do appreciate though, is you actually saying something, so we can continue to keep the ball rolling. Because when people post, they at least expose themselves in terms of character, and it's how judgements are made in this game aren't they? It's easy to say "oh, so and so hasn't posted, so let's lynch him", but that's not based on much is it?

Ali_BWFC

09-12-2011, 11:04

Dale C.

09-12-2011, 11:05

I'm always ringing alarm bells mate, but I can assure you; I am totally sober.

Hunter

09-12-2011, 11:14

So do you have any suspicions at all Hunter? Even if it's just an incling, or a hunch, it's probably worth putting the names forward to gauge everybody's opininon.

There have been some interesting avatar changes - namely Bammers and TH14. Now are they bluffs or double bluffs even?

Dale is ringing a few alarm bells in my head. I can't exactly pinpoint why, it is just a hunch at the moment.

I don't think we could really go off avatars now can we? We know from past Wars that we've been mostly wrong when basing our views off of them, or being influenced by them. I'm not sure whether it's worth the risk, but I think it might be worth keeping an eye on the way in which Bammers' posts. If he keeps to his theme of the 'Joker', and his 'riddle me this' notion, then things will almost certainly become trickier, and then in that instance perhaps more suspicious I think.

My only real suspicion right now is Appswah. Soon posting after Sminky's announcement (nothing wrong with this, he may have just happened to be online at the time), but it was the manner in which he posted that upon looking back, intrigues me. Despite being one of the first to seemingly receive the news that Amateur was killed, he reacted in a non-responsive manner, in an attempt to gauge everyone, whilst giving as little away about himself as possible. Here is what he posted:

He was a thief. What he would steal I don't know..

What do people think about Amateur being killed off then?

Ali_BWFC

09-12-2011, 11:20

You could be on to something there.

Another couple of names to throw into the hat:

1) Dragonfly - is unusually quiet.

2) Mak - hasn't said a word. He's a MW noob, so might be worried that he might say something that brings suspicion on to him. Or he could have just forgotten about the game.

EDIT:

3) fick - reasons being that he's Sminky's best online bud. Now, judging from past games, Sminky doesn't randomly dish out the roles, so I wouldn't think he'd give his bestest chum a plain townie role would he? Of course that doesn't necessarily mean he's mafia, could just have a special townie role.

chelsea11

09-12-2011, 11:32

Sminky, would you be able to PM Mak and remind him about this? At least that way, we'll know if he's purposely not posting or just forgot.

Sometimes, people not posting much is down to a boring role of mere Townie.

Right now, I have no idea what to think. Bammers' Joker role, as you describe it Hunter, would indicate a freelance role rather than a Mafia member. Dale, could be either side at this point. TH is just getting into it so I wouldn't be too suspicious of him right now.

Ali's point though, has some merit I think..

Dragonfly - is unusually quiet.

Appswah

09-12-2011, 11:42

My only real suspicion right now is Appswah. Soon posting after Sminky's announcement (nothing wrong with this, he may have just happened to be online at the time), but it was the manner in which he posted that upon looking back, intrigues me. Despite being one of the first to seemingly receive the news that Amateur was killed, he reacted in a non-responsive manner, in an attempt to gauge everyone, whilst giving as little away about himself as possible. Here is what he posted:

I admit I wrote that to try and 'guage' everyone but in my defence it was the end of night 1, fuck all has happened so far and I wanted to know what people were thinking, especially about the 'Thief' role.

I know lyou'll probably take this post as a I'm Mafia, in within the hour to defend myself but if I don't reply that would also look very suspicious.

But anyways, I have no real suspicions at the moment, as there is very little going on and very few people are speaking (including myself) which obviously makes it really hard.

Ali_BWFC

09-12-2011, 11:50

I admit I wrote that to try and 'guage' everyone but in my defence it was the end of night 1, fuck all has happened so far and I wanted to know what people were thinking, especially about the 'Thief' role.

I know lyou'll probably take this post as a I'm Mafia, in within the hour to defend myself but if I don't reply that would also look very suspicious.

But anyways, I have no real suspicions at the moment, as there is very little going on and very few people are speaking (including myself) which obviously makes it really hard.

Couple of typos there..... nervous typing? Worried that you've been found out? :D

Another thing is that there is always something to go on, especially after this many pages. The fact that you're unwilling to mention any names doesn't exactly do you any favours IMO.

Appswah

09-12-2011, 11:54

Couple of typos there..... nervous typing? Worried that you've been found out? :D

Oh no, I rushed typing a response and made two spelling errors and it means I'm Mafia.

Another thing is that there is always something to go on, especially after this many pages. The fact that you're unwilling to mention any names doesn't exactly do you any favours IMO.

So even though I said I don't have anything to go on yet, the fact that I didn't name any names makes me look guilty?

chelsea11

09-12-2011, 11:55

I'll sort this out.

Apps, are you Mafia?

:hmm:

Ali_BWFC

09-12-2011, 12:03

Oh no, I rushed typing a response and made two spelling errors and it means I'm Mafia.

So even though I said I don't have anything to go on yet, the fact that I didn't name any names makes me look guilty?

Obviously I was only joking about the typos, but you MUST have some suspicions. Even if it's just an incling.

Appswah

09-12-2011, 12:06

I'll sort this out.

Apps, are you Mafia?

:hmm:

No.

Obviously I was only joking about the typos, but you MUST have some suspicions. Even if it's just an incling.

Nope, however the last page (page 4) is interesting.

Ali_BWFC

09-12-2011, 12:51

Not exactly winning me over here, Apps.

Appswah

09-12-2011, 13:06

Meh.

How do I know your not mafia trying to get people to vote for me?

09-12-2011, 13:09

Ali you seem to be dishing out the accusations, you and Bammers working together?

Ali_BWFC

09-12-2011, 13:18

Meh.

How do I know your not mafia trying to get people to vote for me?

Well it was Hunter who first put your name forward. I don't think you're defending yourself very well. I'm not trying to get everyone to vote for you, I haven't made my own mind up yet, plus people are old enough to make their own decisions.

Ali you seem to be dishing out the accusations, you and Bammers working together?

Well someone's gotta put some names out there, or else we're not gonna get anywhere. What has Bammers got to do with anything? He was one of the names I mentioned earlier.

Hunter

09-12-2011, 13:29

Ali's right. I even tipped my hat to him for throwing a question or two my way, to which I answered well I think for us to progress.

We need to continue to progress. We began with some of us putting our perspectives forward with regards to what certain aspects of the prologue could mean, and I think it kicked us into gear a bit, and opened our eyes to the possibilities of the roles. Now that we're onto day 2, with a little bit more to go on, I think it's only right that we continue this progress as I say and begin throwing questions and suspicions out to see how everyone responds.

We have to advance somehow, and this is possibly the most efficient way in doing so at the moment.

Appswah

09-12-2011, 13:43

Well personally I'd like to know why Maka has yet to post in this thread.

Iron City and Dragonfly have been super quiet.

Matt has made some posts but has not been any help at all.

Nifty says he's the manager, whether he's playing the role of townie and going the extra mile or he has a special role (role blocker or something similar)?

I would ask what you guys think but that would make me suspicious. :hmm:

09-12-2011, 14:21

Matt's never helpful, check previous Mafia Wars.

Ali_BWFC

09-12-2011, 15:03

Matt's never helpful, check previous Mafia Wars.

Oh God, tell me about it :facepalm:

Bammers is quieter than usual. He's often the one leading the charge.

Bammers05

09-12-2011, 15:24

'Silence is a text easy to misread.' A. A. Attanasio

Ali_BWFC

09-12-2011, 15:30

I knew that would lure you out, Bammers.

Now, do you have anything useful to say?

Hunter

09-12-2011, 15:36

I'm right in thinking that the voting ends tonight at 9:59pm correct?

I'll be starting work soon - finishing at 10pm. It looks as though I'll be missing out on voting later, unless I do so before I go to work in the next hour.

Unfortunate really, but I've let my suspicions be known, so I may just follow them for voting today. My vote may or may not have an impact, as it'll be too early to tell, but it's still better than doing nothing I guess.

Bammers05

09-12-2011, 15:45

Since you ask so politely:

Well personally I'd like to know why Maka has yet to post in this thread.

Iron City and Dragonfly have been super quiet.

Matt has made some posts but has not been any help at all.

Nifty says he's the manager, whether he's playing the role of townie and going the extra mile or he has a special role (role blocker or something similar)?

I would ask what you guys think but that would make me suspicious. :hmm:

Beware of those who speak a lot without saying anything new...

And watch out for the one known as IC. He speaks often, yet reveals little...

Ali_BWFC

09-12-2011, 15:50

Bammers05

09-12-2011, 15:56

'In the kind of world we have today, transformation of humanity might well be our only real hope for survival.' Stanislav Grof

Phatmann

09-12-2011, 16:00

Appswah

09-12-2011, 16:03

Ok Bammers, either you have a role where everything you say must be in riddles, or you're just being silly, but you're saying you're wary of Apps and Iron Citeh?

EDIT: It would appear that you were speaking normally in your early posts.

:hmm: Bringing me up again Ali?

What are the reasons for the suspicion of IronCity? A few people have thrown his name out there and Amateur even voted for him but I'm scratching my head trying to figure out why. Is it just because he hasn't posted much and people expect him to be more active?

My reasoning is that he usually has a lot to say and in this game he doesn't. However it is his first time so maybe he is playing the relaxed approach or maybe he's mafia :hmm:.

I'm going out in abit so will cast my vote early, if I can decide who to vote for.

Michu

09-12-2011, 16:06

Voting closes at 9:50pm ... alas, Makavelian is unable to take part at the moment, I will not remove him from the game just yet though.

Hunter

09-12-2011, 16:08

I'm off out in a minute, and won't be back on until after the voting day has ended.

I've made my vote, as I figure, it may make an impact, it may not, but I've just followed my suspicion, and decided it's better than not voting at all I think. Even if it simply gets people talking, then it will open the game up a bit more.

I'll try and check in on my phone during my break, but it just depends on my phone signal I guess.

Appswah

09-12-2011, 16:11

Wrong move Hunter, You will cost the town should I be killed.

Bammers05

09-12-2011, 16:11

Hunter

09-12-2011, 16:11

Wrong move Hunter, You will cost the town should I be killed.

Great defence...again.

I don't mean to be patronising, but c'mon. It's so cliché to say that once a vote has been cast against you. It happens almost every single time, and means nothing.

Ali_BWFC

09-12-2011, 16:14

What are the reasons for the suspicion of IronCity? A few people have thrown his name out there and Amateur even voted for him but I'm scratching my head trying to figure out why. Is it just because he hasn't posted much and people expect him to be more active?

:hmm: Bringing me up again Ali?

My reasoning is that he usually has a lot to say and in this game he doesn't. However it is his first time so maybe he is playing the relaxed approach or maybe he's mafia :hmm:.

I'm going out in abit so will cast my vote early, if I can decide who to vote for.

I think to be fair to Iron, he's new at the game so doesn't really know how to play.

It wasn't me who brought you up, I was responding to Bammers post.

Wrong move Hunter, You will cost the town should I be killed.

That's what they all say.

I'll tell you what though, you haven't really said anything useful yet, so why don't you try to show us how costly it'll be if we vote to lynch you?

Appswah

09-12-2011, 16:21

Great defence...again.

Urgh.. Great Offense.

My only real suspicion right now is Appswah. Soon posting after Sminky's announcement (nothing wrong with this, he may have just happened to be online at the time), but it was the manner in which he posted that upon looking back, intrigues me. Despite being one of the first to seemingly receive the news that Amateur was killed, he reacted in a non-responsive manner, in an attempt to gauge everyone, whilst giving as little away about himself as possible. Here is what he posted:

You've voted for me for 2 feable reasons.

* The time I posted, even though 2 people posted before me.
* Because I asked other members for there opinions on why Amateur was killed by the Mafia because I had no idea why they chose him.

There's nothing I can say that will change your mind, So I'm going to stick to my same defence:

I admit I wrote that to try and 'gauge' everyone but in my defence it was the end of night 1, fuck all has happened so far and I wanted to know what people were thinking, especially about the 'Thief' role.

I know you'll probably take this post as a I'm Mafia, in within the hour to defend myself but if I don't reply that would also look very suspicious.

But anyways, I have no real suspicions at the moment, as there is very little going on and very few people are speaking (including myself) which obviously makes it really hard.

However my suspicions have changed and are mainly Hunter and Ali. They've seen that I can be easily picked off and are working together to do so.

Appswah

09-12-2011, 16:23

I think to be fair to Iron, he's new at the game so doesn't really know how to play.

It wasn't me who brought you up, I was responding to Bammers post.

It was. Bammers was answering my question. Hence why he quoted me.

That's what they all say.

I'll tell you what though, you haven't really said anything useful yet, so why don't you try to show us how costly it'll be if we vote to lynch you?

Oh and you have said something useful?

Hunter

09-12-2011, 16:24

You've voted for me for 2 feable reasons.

* The time I posted, even though 2 people posted before me.
* Because I asked other members for there opinions on why Amateur was killed by the Mafia because I had no idea why they chose him.

Wait, did I not say it was the manner in which you posted, as opposed to primarily the time? I think I did. You quoted me too.

However my suspicions have changed and are mainly Hunter and Ali. They've seen that I can be easily picked off and are working together to do so.

:facepalm:

I'm heading out now, but hopefully discussion continues. I'll try and check back in in a few hours if I can.

Appswah

09-12-2011, 16:26

:facepalm:

Great defense. And yes Im being a patronising cunt.

Hunter

09-12-2011, 16:28

Great defense. And yes Im being a patronising cunt.

You adopted the classic strategy of 'oh someone has suspicions about me, so I'll voice that I have suspicions about them...because they have suspicions about me'.

I just don't buy that sort of thinking really.

Ali_BWFC

09-12-2011, 16:29

It was. Bammers was answering my question. Hence why he quoted me.

Oh and you have said something useful?

I've given a few names of people, and why we should be suspicious.... which is more than you've done, and now you've moved your suspicions onto the people who suspect you. You're a walking MW mafia member cliche at the moment.

I'm 90% certain that I will vote for you. However, it's still early in the day, I'd like to see what other members think.

EDIT: Hunter - get to work before you're late! :D

Appswah

09-12-2011, 16:30

You adopted the classic strategy of 'oh someone has suspicions about me, so I'll voice that I have suspicions about them...because they have suspicions about me'.

I just don't buy that sort of thinking really.

No. I know for a faccht that I'm a Townie. Your trying over something soo trivial to get me killed. You must know Im a townie because your mafia.

Your also behaving similar to when you were Jessie James, no you weren't mafia but you weren't a townie either.

I've given a few names of people, and why we should be suspicious.... which is more than you've done, and now you've moved your suspicions onto the people who suspect you. You're a walking MW mafia member cliche at the moment.

I'm 90% certain that I will vote for you. However, it's still early in the day, I'd like to see what other members think.

EDIT: Hunter - get to work before you're late! :D

This happened in the last mafia game. I was lynched for the same reasons even though I was a townie then aswell.

Joel

09-12-2011, 16:32

Appswah

09-12-2011, 16:36

Im out anyways. Goodluck guys.

try to do the right thing :hmm:

IronCity

09-12-2011, 16:41

A man shall not be judged by what he says, nor what he does not say. But rather by his actions. People need not fear me, unless their malefaction happens to be crossing me, or what I believe in, or my job at hand. Now if I only knew what the f**k I was doing. or do I?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-d1E6hpZaMN8/TkXAB9LV1BI/AAAAAAAAHBI/aceLs7PyBG0/s400/Charles+Bronson+photo+3.jpg

Look at this Apps fella, doing his best to sway the tide that has been launched against him. A vote would cost the town he says. Hmmm. He thinks he is already out despite only one vote cast against him. Hmmmmm, again.

chelsea11

09-12-2011, 17:46

Not a person has said a damn useful thing at this moment. I've been sitting back and just reading so far. Not something I would usually do, but there's nothing to go on at all right now. So I can appreciate Ali, Hunter and Appswah trying to get down to something, but right now that something isn't here.

I suspect things will make a lot more sense after Day 2 though. After the Ali, Hunter, Apps session, any decision the mafia make tonight will make things a lot more clear towards the group.

This.

I really don't know what you lot are on about when you say the last few pages have given us something to go on. Everything so far is a blind hunch imo.

Apps is pretty much backed into a corner now too. I'm not saying he is mafia or isn't mafia. I've never seen anyone talk themselves out of being suspected though.

Ali_BWFC

09-12-2011, 18:31

Not a person has said a damn useful thing at this moment. I've been sitting back and just reading so far. Not something I would usually do, but there's nothing to go on at all right now. So I can appreciate Ali, Hunter and Appswah trying to get down to something, but right now that something isn't here.

I suspect things will make a lot more sense after Day 2 though. After the Ali, Hunter, Apps session, any decision the mafia make tonight will make things a lot more clear towards the group.

Now, a paranoid person could get the impression that you're trying to sway the attention away from Apps in a subtle way. Luckily for you, I'm not paranoid.

Bammers05

09-12-2011, 18:43

Not a person has said a damn useful thing at this moment. I've been sitting back and just reading so far. Not something I would usually do, but there's nothing to go on at all right now. So I can appreciate Ali, Hunter and Appswah trying to get down to something, but right now that something isn't here.

I suspect things will make a lot more sense after Day 2 though. After the Ali, Hunter, Apps session, any decision the mafia make tonight will make things a lot more clear towards the group.

:hmm:

Hey Joel, what do you get if you cross a mafia boss with a modern artist?

...

Someone who'll make you an offer you can't understand.

Ring any bells, Picasso?

Joel

09-12-2011, 18:52

Now, a paranoid person could get the impression that you're trying to sway the attention away from Apps in a subtle way. Luckily for you, I'm not paranoid.

Well paranoia rarely brings correct results, so I'd hope that person would straighten his state of mind, before they look to point their finger at me.

What are we going to do about tonight then? I have to be honest and say that I don't suspect anyone yet and I would rather not vote until domething makes sense. But I also understand this stance will get the group absolutely no where. It's fucking hard to say the least.

:hmm:

Hey Joel, what do you get if you cross a mafia boss with a modern artist?

...

Someone who'll make you an offer you can't understand.

Ring any bells, Picasso?

Hey Bammers...

Vaffanculo. Ah? Ok.

fick

09-12-2011, 19:13

3) fick - reasons being that he's Sminky's best online bud. Now, judging from past games, Sminky doesn't randomly dish out the roles, so I wouldn't think he'd give his bestest chum a plain townie role would he? Of course that doesn't necessarily mean he's mafia, could just have a special townie role.

Name was mentioned, but why? Okay, there was the kinship there, not family, but something similar. A knowing. A link. Still, that said, if history was anything to go by then the name wouldn't have arisen. People don't tend to look back though.

Not a person has said a damn useful thing at this moment.

It was true. while the club was brimming, the general conversation was just that. A few fingers were aimed, but non loaded with anything.

:hmm:

Hey Joel, what do you get if you cross a mafia boss with a modern artist?

...

Someone who'll make you an offer you can't understand.

Ring any bells, Picasso?

I laughed.

Ali_BWFC

09-12-2011, 21:09

Name was mentioned, but why? Okay, there was the kinship there, not family, but something similar. A knowing. A link. Still, that said, if history was anything to go by then the name wouldn't have arisen. People don't tend to look back though.

I was just pointing it out, trying to get the discussion flowing and all. I don't have anything to say you're mafia at the moment, but I would be surprised if you were a plain townie.

Anyway, time is almost upon us. I see quite a few players online. Are we gonna go another day without a lynch of are we gonna take the game by the scruff of the neck and get voting?

Joel

09-12-2011, 21:24

Vote who though? I assume you want to push through a vote for Appswah?

Ali_BWFC

09-12-2011, 21:36

I'm gonna vote for Apps. Unless you have any better suggestions? I think it's too late to change now though.

chelsea11

09-12-2011, 21:56

I'm not convinced enough to go along with Apps being lynched. I don't think my vote would even matter at this stage even if I did vote though. After the Mafia dealings tonight we should, hopefully be able to get something more substantial together.

Michu

09-12-2011, 22:05

... 15 begin day 2 ... 15 survive ... Night 2 has now begun ...

Billy Minof

10-12-2011, 16:34

Can I post at night??? Sorry for not being around guys, been busy as fcuk with work being in the supermarket business has its demands at xmas time.....anyway, I had a quick glance and seen we lost Amateur, sorry to see you go mate, you could have contributed alot for the town. RIP.

Anyway, ill have to catch up on what I missed, Apps seems to be prime suspect right now but I cant see it from my quick glance, A thorough read through might change my mind though....ill reserve my vote for now.

Michu

10-12-2011, 20:02

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/1026/calvieri.jpg

... Stinking influenza, been feeling shit for days but not as shit as Alessio, family decided to show some rough justice to remind us who is running the joint. Its Calvieri on the door and Calvieri’s who carry guns ...

Alessio was the next rung on the counterfeiting ladder, Polizzi was thieving for some of the guys and I know stuff now that will get me killed. Not even an if or a maybe. Some of the guys been planning an uprising, family has too much ‘influence’ in the halls if you know what I mean. They’re not so well protected in the floors above. That’s because no one can get there. Looks like that nut has been cracked ... the family banned the use of Club suit cards, being caught with one got you killed, I didn’t understand the hustle behind it.

Looks like old Andrezetti-Calvieri got a severe case of the paranoia. The elevator was you look at it at a distance looks as you’d expect, get a closer look, well its secured with goons so you can’t but someone did and had Polizzi steal shit to order. The elevators to the upper levels use a keycard system, each user has his own card. The only cards that work are as it happens playing card ... special playing cards ... yeah and you know which suit as well, Clubs. Polizzi was trying to crack whether he could use any Club card to crack the elevator, just which ones we don’t know yet ...

Alessio was counterfeiting Club Suit cards to match those that would be used on the Elevator, sticking magnet shavings to some thanks to some notion that he could disrupt any scanning system used ... was all looking good but someone ratted Alessio out, looks like he was lucky, well in terms of he managed to hide the counterfeiting operation ... They shot him anyhow, too much stuff on his person and whoever ratted him made it clear he was a threat ... looks like trouble ahead ...

http://dwellingintheword.files.wordpr ess.com/2011/08/god_gamblers.jpg

http://www.rivercityrubberworks.com/images/products/2009-R.jpg

... To whom it may concern STOP ... situation resolved STOP ... target identity revealed as requested STOP

Name: Alessio "Muslim Ali" Tacchinari

Aliases: Ali

Allegiance: Casino Employee / Townie / No Mafia affiliation

Demise: 10th December, Execution.

STOP

http://thecomedypoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/gambler_trips_5_by_xciox.jpg

Rules:

Ali you have been killed. You may no longer post in this thread. If you wish to comment on your brief stint in Mafia Wars V2 please use the thread titled “Dead Mans Lobby” You cannot reveal anything about your role until the game has concluded.

... Please adjust thread title to Day 3 Please. Thank you ...

Michu

10-12-2011, 20:02

... Day 3 ...

Bammers05

10-12-2011, 20:12

"Death can sneak up on you like a silent kitten, surprising you with it's touch and you have a right to act surprised. Other times death stomps in the front door, unwanted and unannounced, and makes it's noisy way to your seat on the sofa." Hugh Elliott

R.I.P.

Bammers05

10-12-2011, 20:43

A rather early vote I see, Mr. Iron City. Why so eager?

10-12-2011, 20:46

I think he was late for the one just been.

Due to time difference.

Bammers05

10-12-2011, 20:47

He can make his own excuses. He doesn't need you to help him.

Joel

10-12-2011, 20:49

Early vote is very, very suspicious. Without even saying anything about last night.

The way I see it is maybe the mafia are looking to use Appswah as a scapegoat, as he was linked to Ali.

10-12-2011, 20:50

So you think Ali might be the next to go?

Joel

10-12-2011, 20:53

Ali is gone already...

Phatmann

10-12-2011, 20:54

So you think Ali might be the next to go?

:unsure: You do realise Ali is dead right? I think Joel may be right in his assumptions. It seems it may have worked in the case of IronCity since he has voted for Appswah pretty swiftly.

fick

10-12-2011, 20:54

So there it was. Ali was gone. No time for tears though, after all, he new the risks of opening his mouth. Problem is, he might have hit on something. There was one comment he'd made, tied in nicely with a reoccurring thought I'd been having. Tricky situation though. In that climate the wrong words would've seen you toes up and breathless. And I wasn't thinking about anything sexual.

The time would come. Eventually I knew I'd have to speak my concerns. Maybe I'd even live to tell tale...

Joel

10-12-2011, 20:57

:unsure: You do realise Ali is dead right? I think Joel may be right in his assumptions.

Here's another one: Is TH14 acting dumb that he does not know that Ali is dead to make it look like he had no involvement?

Tbf, I have noticed that he is terrible with paying attention.

Let's see what he has to say...

10-12-2011, 21:02

D'oh, yes of course he is.

The Jack Daniels goes straight to my head these days.

IronCity

10-12-2011, 23:03

I have had my suspicions of that appsy fella for a day or so now. Something seems amiss. Its a head scratcher though. Seems like we are seeing townies going down left and right. Streets are unsafe. There are alot of shoes I wouldn't want to be in right now.
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Bammers05

10-12-2011, 23:24

A Mafia godfather finds out that his bookkeeper has cheated him out of ten million bucks.

His bookkeeper is deaf.

That was the reason he got the job in the first place. It was assumed that a deaf bookkeeper would not hear anything that he might have to testify about in court.

When the godfather goes to confront the bookkeeper about his missing $10 million, he brings along his attorney, who knows sign language.

The godfather tells the lawyer, “Ask him where the 10 million bucks he embezzled from me is.”

The attorney, using sign language, asks the bookkeeper where the money is.

The bookkeeper signs back, “I don’t know what you are talking about.”

The attorney tells the godfather, “He says he doesn’t know what you’re talking about.”

The godfather pulls out a pistol, puts it to the bookkeeper’s temple, and says, “Ask him again!”

The attorney signs to the bookkeeper, “He’ll kill you if you don’t tell him!”

The bookkeeper signs back, “OK! You win! The money is in a brown briefcase, buried behind the shed in my cousin Enzo’s backyard in Queens!”

The godfather asks the attorney, “Well, what’d he say?”

The attorney replies, “He says you don’t have the guts to pull the trigger.”

:shfty:

fick

11-12-2011, 12:04

The time had come for action. It couldn't stay hidden any more, I had to put it out there and test the waters. Could it see the end of me? Perhaps, but that was a chance I'd have to take.

Bammers. The clown. Nothing personal, but certainly true. He'd been in all the right places before, stole the show as it were. He'd said all the right things. Even duped a idiot too dense to dupe. Yet now he'd said nothing. He'd said a lot, yes, but yet still said nothing. This wasn't the Bambam we knew. This was a new Bam. A changed Bam. A killer Bam?

Then there was Joel Torres. We'd seen his like before, all mouth, no trousers. He'd never really scored but liked the big talk. Some of that talk was out of place though. Like he knew something. Something big. Something deadly. I never had a problem with snakes, but something about this one made me want to reach for a rock...

There. It was done. Come voting time tonight, there would be a name on the list. A name with a majority. All I had to do now was wait. Wait and see if the others would follow, or whether they would skulk like sheep at culling time.

Michu

11-12-2011, 12:19

... Amateur has returned to the game ... he replaces the now departed Big Mak ... Amateur has a new role ... The picture below has no relevance ... Welcome back Amateur

http://carl-bell-2.baylor.edu/~bellc/jl/images/AmateurNavigator-06.jpg

Billy Minof

11-12-2011, 12:55

Good to see you back, I was sad when you left town as you are one of the few capable of taking down the mob, I see a lot of reckless voting going down.

Dragonfly

11-12-2011, 13:01

[Wakes up on a soiled mattress, broused and bloodies, in the skip behind the Chinese restaurant.]

My wife's gonna kill me. That was our savings I blew on the cards. And we're already three months behind with the rent. I don't want Sandy leaving me on Christmas. I don't want the kids to have no presents. No home. No father, for Christ's sake!

I've gotta get the money back. I'm sure- I know I've been screwed over. I don't know who the casino boss is, but I will find out. And I will kill him....

Amateur

11-12-2011, 13:35

Billy Minof

11-12-2011, 13:56

I thought Nifty was interesting during the first day, he claims that he is one of the managers at Calvieri; how do you guys think the management role functions?

I mean, one would think that, if Nifty is playing for the town, and since he is part of the management, that he must have a special ability.

Also, TH14 has Al Pacino (the universal face of the mafia) as his avatar. I know the avatar is not enough to arise serious suspicion, but it's something to think about perhaps.

I think Nifty definitely knows something that the rest of us do not, maybe he just cannot disclose it but another look at his posts and he mentioning names as in Phats and Fick even using mafia names for them as I said earlier in the game. I have missed a couple of days so have missed out on some vital information.
The Al Pacino avatar TH14 is using to me doesnt mean much, it is a game and an avatar cannot be the death of a member could it? he is hardly that bold to use a well known mafia face as his avatar he must know it could draw attention his way if he was mafia??

Bammers05

11-12-2011, 14:16

We must not forget Iron City. He has not answered accusations and has only accused those already accused by others i.e. Appswah

:hmm:

Appswah

11-12-2011, 14:47

Firstly, It's obvious that the mafia killed Ali off to make me look guilty and to look like a mafia member. However it's faily obvious that IF I was Mafia I wouldn't have killed Ali as it would make me number 1 suspect.

Secondly, It's very strange how Iron City has voted for me instantly without even giving an explanation. Certainly suspicious :hmm:.

Joel

11-12-2011, 15:32

We need to work on this and go for a successful lynch tonight though. We've lost two townies so far and we haven't even made five votes. I don't think there has been even three.

What we can say is that only one person has died each night. It seems one mafia family and no serial killer is the direction of this game.

Now, IronCity voting straight for Appswah was very weird. He says he has his suspicions on Apps, but why? Share with us so we can debate it and try to come to something, because at the moment, we have nothing, except that you were eager to vote for him as the day began.

Bammers05

11-12-2011, 15:41

*temporarily become serious*

I agree with JT (:shfty:), we need to start taking the initiative as, otherwise, the Mafia can just keep picking off our most influential players one-by-one without us getting further. We need to take the game to them.

I would also like Iron City to explain his early voting and I find it interesting that TH14 jumped in to help him, when I first brought it up, so maybe something to look out for there.

*resumes joker persona*

What's the difference between the government and the Mafia?

:hmm:

One of them is organized :joel:

fick

11-12-2011, 15:52

I looked at the irony of two particular characters agreeing on a strategy. Coincidence? Time would only tell. it certainly didn't allay any suspicions I'd already had.

11-12-2011, 15:52

Hey Amatuer, you seem to have an avatar of a cop....Intresting.

chelsea11

11-12-2011, 15:54

If Iron was mafia, why would he put himself so out there with the early vote? Surely the other Mafia would say something to him..? Explain yourself Iron. It had better be a good reason, more than a 'I'm suspicious of him' one.

I think Iron and Apps could both be Townies, just being played against each other via the Mafia.

Nifty playing the role of Casino manager is a bit strange alright. Especially, considering, the casino is very Mafia affiliated in all the dialogue Sminky has posted.

IronCity

11-12-2011, 16:52

Apps certainly felt compelled to let everyone know he was getting voted out, and letting everyone know "we" were making a mistake, despite only one vote cast against him. One vote. Certainly the mafia would see him a wounded prey and easy for the takedown. Certainly the townies would see him as desperate, too desperate, to turn the tide of one single vote.

Interesting to watch townies going down left and right and not fighting back with concerted effort of voting - day 3 and no lynchings. quite an education I am getting about the game.

btw; other clues I am reading into - the first mafia hit - Amateur went out like a rocket as it was written. Team Rocket perhaps, as in Hunter made the hit.

Michu

11-12-2011, 17:10

... Voting closes at 9:50pm ...

11-12-2011, 18:17

Hunter

11-12-2011, 18:17

I would also like Iron City to explain his early voting and I find it interesting that TH14 jumped in to help him, when I first brought it up, so maybe something to look out for there.

Iron has still not answered to this, despite posting his thoughts on other matters. Strange is the word possibly most appropriate.

It wasn't the fact that Iron voted early that I found peculiar, it was the lack of explanation, or agreement that caught me off guard. Yes, I voted for Apps quite early in the afternoon - but I had to with me going out to work, and I also explained over several comments as to why I had my suspicions. Iron didn't. Now, I'm not saying that Iron is mafia, or the early vote is suspicious, because the vote itself I don't find odd - it's the lack of explanation, clarity, and still, non-responsiveness to the questions put forth.

You make an interesting point though Bammers regarding TH14 perhaps backing Iron. I didn't notice it, so if you could point out the quote then that could get the ball rolling. Like in previous Wars, it only takes one 'connection' to reveal itself just slightly, and the domino effect kicks in. "If" we send Iron to be lynched for example, and he is indeed mafia (or third party if there is one), then the potential connection with Iron could suggest that TH14 is also of the same group. "If" however it turns out that Iron is a townie, then I think it could be suggested that TH14 is also a townie for sticking his neck out to defend Iron's questionable strategy.

IronCity

11-12-2011, 18:28

^hmm, take a look a few posts back. pretty explanatory. probably more than any other vote I have seen. Vote doesn't seem so early now that day 3 is coming to an end and no one is voting.

Hunter

11-12-2011, 18:32

Ah yes.

But why did you not express your thoughts around the time of voting? As opposed to waiting so long to really explain your suspicions? It just causes confusion, and lacks clarity, that's all brother.

IronCity

11-12-2011, 18:33

because I was heading out to see Daniel Day Lewis live in Richmond, va

Michu

11-12-2011, 19:22

It's all gone quiet. 2 hours 30 minutes until voting closes.

fick

11-12-2011, 19:24

It had all gone quiet. That's the problem when people lacked conviction. They froze. That had been the case then. No one had the balls to stand. So I did...

Bammers05

11-12-2011, 19:33

The Joker feels we definitely need to lynch someone tonight. It appears to me that a certain someone - let's call him Joel X...actually, that's too obvious, let's go for X Torres - has been trying to sweep away the suspicion from a certain Mr. A. Wah and subtly move it onto other people. An examination of his posts tell me that I am correct. Therefore, still being suspicious of the aforementioned person, I say we get rid of Appswah tonight. Any objections?

"Take time to deliberate; but when the time for action arrives, stop thinking and go in." Napoleon Bonaparte

Hunter

11-12-2011, 19:37

I am indeed still suspicious of Appswah. The whole playing the backseat, before then 'accusing myself and Ali simply because of suspicions that we mentioned with regards to him in the first place'. Granted, since then, he's not done much to elevate this suspicion - but still, at a stage where little has happened (probably due to us refraining from lynching), we just have to get the ball rolling now.

fick

11-12-2011, 19:39

The Joker showed Joel's hand. Could this have been the proof I needed? Certainly there was little enough conviction as the clown didn't follow through immediately. Seeking acceptance from his Don perhaps. Once more I called out against the perpetrators. I had placed my vote already. I waited for the fallout...

Bammers05

11-12-2011, 19:43

Fick the prick said something - I wasn't sure what he was on about, but then no-one really is - at his age the dementia was really starting to pack a punch. Anyway, I decided to allow it and humoured him by reminding him that this is a team game and we all must come to a decision together rather than someone taking the reins and the rest following like lemmings. At this point, he eyed me with a malevolent look and turned his attention back to his Werther's Original. I waited for the fallout...

Billy Minof

11-12-2011, 19:45

Lets Unite and make a decision here lads......

Who has the most votes against them?

fick

11-12-2011, 19:50

"A team game", said the voice from under the bells. Indeed. A team of two that seemed to be driving towards an all to familiar end. Perhaps it was the insistence. Perchance it was the vague accusation. More likely it was a misdirection. We had all seen the persuasive nature of the fool before. Now it was having it's strings pulled by a new leader? Joel.

When will the bells end?

Bammers05

11-12-2011, 20:00

Having finished the Werther's Original, the old man returned to his mutterings. Rather than but in, I thougt to myself, if I am the joker, which card must this guy be? Firstly, which suit? Hearts? No, he doesn't have one. Diamonds? No, a diamond is shiny and tough to break, whereas this man was dull and appeared to already be broken. Clubs? No, he doesn't play FIFA. So it must be Spades, as in the spade he'll need to dig his own grave. He won't be a number either, so he'll be King, Queen or Jack. I was pretty sure he wasn't called Jack and he certainly wasn't the King - we all knew that. So he must be the Queen - this would also tie in with what I'd heard about his private life - rumour has it that, in his youth, he was quite smitten with someone known only as Mr. S. Therefore, I felt he must be the Queen of Spades.

When I awoke from my thoughts, the man was still going on - something about bells.

I waited for the fallout...

fick

11-12-2011, 20:07

Diversion. A throwaway comment. Nothing more than a smokescreen. It appeared I may have hit a nerve? Or perhaps got on one? Still, the inane ramblings of a Joker. Not part of the pack. Not part of the game. An extra, something not of the ordinary.

Still we had a lack of conviction. The Joker and his muse, one playing games, the other, despite being there, conspicuous by his absence...

The bellends, end?

Michu

11-12-2011, 20:10

Need to kick start the townies into action ... Only 3 votes required for a majority.

Bammers05

11-12-2011, 20:15

The Queen of Spades was still going on about God-knows-what. However, I admit I was worried - not because I was in any way affiliated with a mafia, but rather that less-informed people may take his ramblings as being real, leaving me, the good old joker, as the fall-guy. There was only one way to prove my innocence. I knew what I had to do...

Joel

11-12-2011, 20:37

Bammers and fick are talking in bollocks (rather than riddle) so can someone sum up why my neck is on the chopping block?

Thanks.

Dale C.

11-12-2011, 20:37

Drat, we lost another townie.

Only just had a chance to get on, as my busy life as a Gigolo is pretty fuckin' strenuous. Hah, this'll make ya laugh guys; had a customer in by the name of Mrs. Torres. Big ass bitch, with a big ass, bitch. Asked me to take a dump on her chest, weird fuckin bitch.

Anyway, onto the matter at hand. I had actually noticed what bammers noticed, but was hesitant to get into any kind of war of words with anyone because I knew I wouldn't be able to be on here much, what with me going to see Example n all :smug: (Was invited into the VIP bar as well, brilliant night :D)

I'm in for lynchin' that rat, appswah.

fick

11-12-2011, 20:38

A u-turn from the funny man? It was certainly an unexpected manoeuvre. Maybe I had the guy wrong? I doubted it. Joel hadn't appeared to prove his innocence. It was looking like a lynch could be on the cards...

If Joel was mafia, then Bammers was theoretically safe. If not... then the time would come to snip the bells.

Bammers05

11-12-2011, 20:41

I'm happy with Appswah or Joel - whoever you guys want to get rid of. I would still prefer Appswah, but I wanted to vote for Joel in order to prove my allegiance to the town.

Dale C.

11-12-2011, 20:43

If Joel was mafia, then Bammers was theoretically safe. If not... then the time would come to snip the bells.

:laugh:

But seriously, stop narrating.

Joel

11-12-2011, 20:44

I'm happy with Appswah or Joel - whoever you guys want to get rid of. I would still prefer Appswah, but I wanted to vote for Joel in order to prove my allegiance to the town.

And what made you think fick - the only guy accusing me - was not mafia?

And how would that have proved your allegiance to the town when you lynched me and found out I was a townie?

Bammers05

11-12-2011, 20:47

fick

11-12-2011, 20:50

:laugh:

But seriously, stop narrating.

I decided to give the suggestion some consideration. It was hard work to type in the past tense all the time... :hmm:

11-12-2011, 20:52

Are we allowed to vote for Appswah as he just came back? and would there be any point, would someone back from the dead have a Mafia role? Most likely not.

Prehaps Joel should be the one then.

Joel

11-12-2011, 20:54

Fick used good logic and I also suspected you, beforehand, so it all added up. In hindsight, I'm not so sure of my choice, but I must ask you this: in this game, you have appeared to try and shift the blame away from Appswah, or, at the least, ignored the suspicion being pointed towards him - why?

Oh wait, so now you have come under heat, you want to ask questions. You didn't want to ask questions before. There was more than one hour to go and we only needed three votes for a lynch, but instead of asking any questions and without ever saying I look suspicious, you wanted to vote for me straight away. But now you want to ask questions. Now that I called your methods into play.

What I pointed about Appswah is that Ali, a guy who was on Appswah's tail, was killed and it looks like the mafia want to use Appswah as a scapegoat. That is all.

You look 100x more shady than Appswah right now to me.

Dale C.

11-12-2011, 20:54

I decided to give the suggestion some consideration. It was hard work to type in the past tense all the time... :hmm:

:lol::lol: Fick off!

Bammers05

11-12-2011, 20:54

The Queen of Spades stopped talking in the past tense. I wondered: maybe he isn't so clueless after all?... :hmm:

IronCity

11-12-2011, 20:55

I'm happy with Appswah or Joel - whoever you guys want to get rid of. I would still prefer Appswah, but I wanted to vote for Joel in order to prove my allegiance to the town.

there is suspicion all over this message. He is really wanting us to feel he is the town champion. Should have voted Appswah if you so preferred, but is a vote for joel a cover??????? Bammers, Hunter, and Apps all walking fine lines. Out like a rocket.

Dale C.

11-12-2011, 20:56

The Queen of Spades stopped talking in the past tense.

What, no he never :lol:

Also Fick, I must spread the butter around before giving it you.

IronCity

11-12-2011, 20:59

appswah,appswah,appswah

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Bammers is trying to save him

chelsea11

11-12-2011, 21:05

Are we allowed to vote for Appswah as he just came back? and would there be any point, would someone back from the dead have a Mafia role? Most likely not.

Prehaps Joel should be the one then.

That was Amateur.

Bammers05

11-12-2011, 21:09

I feel I've made a mistake. Although I'm slightly suspicious at over-aggressive reply, I don't feel there's enough evidence to warrant his lynching. In hindsight, I believe I was drawn in by a clever trick by fick, who alleged that I was in cahoots with Joel in order to save him, when, in actual fact, I was simply willing to go for the one I felt was more suspicious in Appswah. In order to prove my innocence from such an allegation, I wanted to symbolically vote for Joel. However this was a very silly thing to do and I should've listened to my logic rather than fick. Such a mistake won't happen again.

But now I must decide who to vote for. Appswah is suspicious as I've said before. IronCity appears to have jumped on the 'get bammers out' bandwagon, but I'll put this down to first-game naivety for now. Fick is also suspicious, due to what I've already mentioned, but, in fairness, he did take initiative when voting for Joel, albeit I don't understand how he could be sure, at that stage. TH14 keeps messing up names, which is something to keep an eye on, but not enough to get him out I feel. Amateur's been quiet since he's come back...unusually quiet.

IronCity

11-12-2011, 21:12

Mr. Bammers, my vote was for appswah however, you seem to be in the clear, for now.

Dale C.

11-12-2011, 21:13

To be fair to Amateur, I don't think he's on here everyday like some of you (Bammers ahem).

Hunter

11-12-2011, 21:16

I think I'm going to stick by my original suspicion, in Appswah. I'm still uncertain about many, but that's a given considering there's not been a huge deal of interaction and questioning going on.

11-12-2011, 21:20

That was Amateur.

Could've sworn it was Appswah.

Michu

11-12-2011, 21:21

As it stands. There will be a workplace 'mishap' today.

Bammers05

11-12-2011, 21:22

Could've sworn it was Appswah.

You would've sworn wrong. Should pay more attention to the thread, Mr. Henry :ninja:

11-12-2011, 21:24

Probably, all the announcements get lost with all the conversations, prehaps we should have a seperate thread for announcements?

fick

11-12-2011, 21:25

So the Joker has turned... (present tense, just so it's clear to you Bammers :))

A mistake methinks. I will not be party to tonight's lynch. I have my hunch and unlike our jester friend, it's not between my shoulders :folarm:

Bammers05

11-12-2011, 21:29

I don't like the term 'turned' - it has negative implications. I prefer the term 'realised'.

"A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing." George Bernard Shaw

fick

11-12-2011, 21:32

Back to the quote, eh Bam?

Won't turn out well... (future tense ;))

Hunter

11-12-2011, 21:34

As it stands. There will be a workplace 'mishap' today.

Has no one realised this?

This mishap can't be the lynch surely, as we don't have enough votes required to achieve the lynch.

It definitely sounds like a third party is now at play.

Dale C.

11-12-2011, 21:41

Didn't he say the same thing last time??

Michu

11-12-2011, 21:46

3 votes is sufficient for a mishap (i.e lynch)

IronCity

11-12-2011, 21:47

I like mishaps

Hunter

11-12-2011, 21:49

3 votes is sufficient for a mishap (i.e lynch)

Thanks for clearing it up, I confused myself there for a second I think. :lol:

11-12-2011, 21:50

Does lynching really fall under the category of mishaps? haha

Michu

11-12-2011, 21:50

Voting closed.

Michu

11-12-2011, 22:05

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...Some of the guys got jittery tonight, the deaths of Polizzi and Muslim Ali got people talking, “Who’s the fucking rat huh?!” it was always going to be bad news for someone. It was Franco Dellappas who got the worst news.

I could have stopped it but It would only make things look shady for me instead ...

Franco got lured into the restaurant kitchen for a fucking beating. Not all the guys agreed but decided to stay out of it ... from what I know, they tortured him for a little while to see what he knew and when he wouldn’t break they roughed him up so bad some guys were worried they'd get popped if they were caught.

You see, as mad is it sounds, the family frowns about violence it doesn’t mete out itself. Outside the kitchen there were a couple of look outs and when word got out there were goons in the restaurant, well time ran out for Franco ...

No time now to be sure or take guesses whether he was ‘straight’ so with the restaurant on the first floor and with a balcony seating area that’s where he went ... over.

No risks could be taken, had to make it look like a suicide so Franco was thrown over the railings. It looked fucking suspicious, what with the fact he been beaten the fuck out of ...

When the body was found the family were less than impressed, more paperwork to clear up with the cops and suspicious thoughts to who done it.

The guys cleared out Franco’s pockets, and searched his room later that night. They found nothing. Worst of all they found his discharge letter from Castagna. They’d made a massive mistake. Franco wasn’t family, he was ex-con like all the rest of us.

Things are gonna get ugly ...

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Name: Franco “Appswah” Dellappas

Aliases: Apps, Appswah, Bon Appetito

Allegiance: Pro-Townie/No mafia affiliation

Demise: Foulplay, 11th December

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Rules:

Appswah you have been killed. You may no longer post in this thread. If you wish to comment on your brief stint in Mafia Wars V2 please use the thread titled “Dead Mans Lobby” You cannot reveal anything about your role until the game has concluded.