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BarnDoor
08-02-2012, 19:27
At least now we can finally get Harry in and let him fail as well. The media will never learn we won't do anything with these mostly wank players.

It's sad when I'm almost willing the team to fail now because this Harry clamour has pissed me off so much.

Dale C.
08-02-2012, 19:31
Good.

What I put on facebook;

Capello resigns....good. Let's be honest with ourselves here. He would have picked new and exciting players, pre-tournament, Richards would have been in, Chamberlain might have gotten a few games, Johnson, Welbeck etc etc....then as soon as the tournament starts....BOOM back to the old, boring, Lampard/Gerrard combination. I'm glad he's gone.

fick
08-02-2012, 19:32
About bloody time too.

We need some new blood, on the pitch as well as on the bench. Bring in people who want to play for their country for the pride, not the wage slip.

Sweey
08-02-2012, 19:32
All zero of the high calibre English managers lining up then.

As I said on the ChatBox, I read a very informative comment on Sunday which said this would happen and spelt out why with good detail on what Bernstein has been doing since day one.

Was an interesting read.

Oh and if Harry Redknapp is innocent of tax evasion, everyone is.

fick
08-02-2012, 19:34
Oh and if Harry Redknapp is innocent of tax evasion, everyone is.

Thank christ for that. Will sleep better tonight :mellow:

TH
08-02-2012, 19:34
Harry will definately be the next manager, whether that's immediate or at the end of the season either way he'll be the manager.

Joel
08-02-2012, 19:34
Oh God... It's not like there is anyone better for the job at this moment

Edit: I say go with Guus Hiddink for the summer.

Ziss
08-02-2012, 19:37
Edit: I say go with Guus Hiddink for the summer.
This.

Bish
08-02-2012, 19:37
He'll still go down as a success to me. Best win percentage of any England manager ever. It's not like he was working with much talent, compared to Ramsey was in '66.

fick
08-02-2012, 19:39
Oh God... It's not like there is anyone better for the job at this moment

Edit: I say go with Guus Hiddink for the summer.

What about Benítez...?

He'll disappoint sufficiently to meet our low standards.

TH
08-02-2012, 19:41
Mourinho?

Cannon ball
08-02-2012, 19:42
It must be Gary Megson.

Joel
08-02-2012, 19:44
What about Benítez...?

He'll disappoint sufficiently to meet our low standards.

If he promises to do at least one facht press conference, then I would endorse Rafa.

Michu
08-02-2012, 19:44
So Redknapp for England ... what price Mourinho to Tottenham?

BarnDoor
08-02-2012, 19:45
Why do we assume the new manager will pick 'exciting new talent'? Capello was blooding a decent number into the team, some of whom I personally wouldn't have chosen.

The problem lies with the players, many of whom just don't care about playing for their country.

Makavelian
08-02-2012, 19:46
Wow.



I'd ask thefraud to take the position.
But if I was Rednapp no way would I even consider it .

Joel
08-02-2012, 19:47
There's no way Harry takes the job right now. Spurs are in too much of a good position.

Unless they can get someone (lolPearce) to caretake till the end of the season.

Bish
08-02-2012, 19:48
So Redknapp for England ... what price Mourinho to Tottenham?

Unless Spurs get a massive cash injection, no chance.

Harry will take it. It's just a question of when.

Michu
08-02-2012, 19:49
Why do we assume the new manager will pick 'exciting new talent'? Capello was blooding a decent number into the team, some of whom I personally wouldn't have chosen.

The problem lies with the players, many of whom just don't care about playing for their country.

I myself assume it will be Redknapp who will go on to pick players like Aaron Lennon and reel off classics like "the boy frightened them with his pace ... it just didn't go his way today though ... but what a fantastic game of football despite the result".

EDIT: Bish, I'll put money on Mourinho down the bookies on leaving Madrid this summer and Spurs enquiring after him. Such is my misplaced confidence.

Ziss
08-02-2012, 19:51
A source tells me Brooking might take the team to the Euros and appoint a perma manager after.

Joel
08-02-2012, 19:54
I myself assume it will be Redknapp who will go on to pick players like Aaron Lennon and reel off classics like "the boy frightened them with his pace ... it just didn't go his way today though ... but what a fantastic game of football despite the result".

Correction: triffic.

Harry: "Yeah, we're looking to get Modric's passport sorted out, so he can play for England. He's a triffic player and a triffic lad."

Reporter: "But Harry, he's played for Croatia already. It's not allowed."

Harry: "No, no, no, we'll sort something out. The chairman reassured me."

Reporter: "Harry, it's impossible. I know you like to wheel and deal, but..."

Harry: "Fack off!"

:arry:

Michu
08-02-2012, 19:54
A source tells me Brooking might take the team to the Euros and appoint a perma manager after.

Ultimate777?

Ziss
08-02-2012, 19:55
Ultimate777?
:laugh: If we're both using the same source, expect me to be completely wrong :laugh:

My source is Bryan Swanson.

Bammers05
08-02-2012, 19:58
I haven't felt anything for the National Team for so long that I'm genuinely surprised at how pissed off I am now.

If people think we're gonna find a better manager than Capello, especially at this time of the season, then I fear they're mistaken

All zero of the high calibre English managers lining up then.

Quoted in agreement.

muscularmatt
08-02-2012, 20:02
And of course, all the C words will blame Fabio when England fail at the Euros because the new guy "didn't have time" or some gash like that.

I'm pissed off at the FA, they know they shouldn't have undermined their manager like that. It almost seems as if they wanted Fabio to go early so they could get that stroke faced, tax evading cockney prick into the job.

Ziss
08-02-2012, 20:03
Fabio had the highest win % of all perma England managers, apparently. Fuck me, we're a fickle bunch, aren't we!?

Bammers05
08-02-2012, 20:05
1 - Fabio Capello had the best win percentage (67%) of any permanent England manager. Departure.

.

EDIT: Ziss got there first :(

Bish
08-02-2012, 20:09
Actually I did on the first page.

TheAlchemist
08-02-2012, 20:10
So Capello has resigned. That's the second time this year an Italian has jumped from a sinking ship.

:arry:

IronCity
08-02-2012, 20:11
I apologize in that we already ate up Jurgen Klinsman :doh:

+1 to alchemist

Bammers05
08-02-2012, 20:18
We could always look at Tony Pulis. Tough on football, tough on the causes of football.

:lol:

fick
08-02-2012, 20:20
The problem lies with the players, many of whom just don't care about playing for their country.

My point exactly. I'd rather lose with pride than fail due to lack of interest.

There's no way Harry takes the job right now. Spurs are in too much of a good position.

Radknapp as Caretaker, with aid from his brood..?

A source tells me Brooking might take the team to the Euros and appoint a perma manager after.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Fabio had the highest win % of all perma England managers, apparently. Fuck me, we're a fickle bunch, aren't we!?

I'm fickle. You lot are just awkward.

Viperized
08-02-2012, 20:22
At least now we can finally get Harry in and let him fail as well. The media will never learn we won't do anything with these mostly wank players.

It's sad when I'm almost willing the team to fail now because this Harry clamour has pissed me off so much.

I would like to see Redknapp to step in for this very reason.

Phil W.A.F.C
08-02-2012, 20:32
Good riddance. He should've been shown the door after the shocking World Cup we had. I really hope Pearce don't get temporary charge for the Euro's or we might as well not bother showing up. Shite job at City and a shite job with the U21's.

Michu
08-02-2012, 20:35
I really hope Pearce don't get temporary charge for the Euro's or we might as well not bother showing up. Shite job at City and a shite job with the U21's.

You just reminded me of this rather witty piece of satire :D

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/stuart-pearce-spends-evening-ruling-himself-out-of-things-201109294365/

Sweey
08-02-2012, 20:38
Capello to Italpress:

They really insulted me and damaged my authority. What really hit me and forced me to take this decision was the fact the much-vaunted Anglo-Saxon sense of justice, as they are the first to claim that everyone is innocent until proven guilty. In Terry's case, they gravely offended me and damaged my authority at the head of the England side, effectively creating a problem for the squad. I have never tolerated certain crossing of lines, so it was easy for me to spot it and take my decision to leave.

Michu
08-02-2012, 20:40
He's not mincing his words.

fick
08-02-2012, 20:41
Capello to Italpress:

Capello is an idiot. Had most of his decisions not been crap or misguided, then perhaps he would never have been in this position.

Dragonfly
08-02-2012, 20:42
He's not mincing his words.

Yet, he's got beef.

Bammers05
08-02-2012, 20:44
Capello is an idiot. Had most of his decisions not been crap or misguided, then perhaps he would never have been in this position.

The same crap and misguided decisions which led him to be the England manager with the highest ever win percentage? :hmm:

He's not perfect by a long shot, but we won't find anyone better.

fick
08-02-2012, 20:49
The same crap and misguided decisions which led him to be the England manager with the highest ever win percentage? :hmm:

He's not perfect by a long shot, but we won't find anyone better.

Whoopee. There's the percentage shite again. Who, if you're being honest, wants to see your national side play shit, boring football?

Not me. I want my England team to TRY.

Sweey
08-02-2012, 20:51
Who, if you're being honest, wants to see your national side play shit, boring football?

Me. I just want to win. Yes I'll complain about the ability after every match expecting us to lose the next but if we don't then it makes up for it.

muscularmatt
08-02-2012, 20:52
Oh come on fick, you can't blame this on him. The FA wanted him out, so they took the first cheap shot they could.

Bammers05
08-02-2012, 20:52
The football wasn't great - it never is from England, but he got results. Besides, it's always gonna be hard to get an England team to play entertaining football, considering the lack of technical talent and the way football is coached at Youth level in this country

Phil W.A.F.C
08-02-2012, 20:55
Why's he talking to Italpress and not the press over here? He's coaching England not Italy.

I'm with fick, i want my England to have a go and not play crab football.

Sweey
08-02-2012, 20:56
Why's he talking to Italpress and not the press over here? He's coaching England not Italy.

Is he? :huh:

Plus, perhaps they've got direct links to him considering he spent so long coaching in Italy (and is Italian) - sort of makes sense doesn't it? All they need to do is call him.

Bammers05
08-02-2012, 20:56
Maybe he feels he can express himself more clearly to the Italian Press?

Michu
08-02-2012, 20:57
The football wasn't great - it never is from England, but he got results. Besides, it's always gonna be hard to get an England team to play entertaining football, considering the lack of technical talent and the way football is coached at Youth level in this country

Actually thats not entirely true old bean, Brooking has been working for years on improving England youth football, from having youth teams use 4-3-3 through the age brackets to consistent coaching. The problem is actually what happens when the players join the senior England setup. The previous coaches have all ignored the playing system (in favour of their own) and Brooking has fought a losing battle with the FA in having the senior team apply the same ideals as the youth.

Basically we make minor concessions for the future of the England team knowing we need to - as Germany did - whilst doing it half heartedly.

muscularmatt
08-02-2012, 21:01
Maybe he feels he can express himself more clearly to the Italian Press?

I'd presume it was this. His English still isn't that good.

fick
08-02-2012, 21:01
Me. I just want to win. Yes I'll complain about the ability after every match expecting us to lose the next but if we don't then it makes up for it.

Love football then Don? Doesn't sound like it. Or maybe it's just me living up to my fickle nature...

Oh come on fick, you can't blame this on him. The FA wanted him out, so they took the first cheap shot they could.

Too bloody right, too. Uninspiring, slow play with virtually the same lags Sven failed so miserably with. Not really progress now, is it?

The football wasn't great - it never is from England, but he got results. Besides, it's always gonna be hard to get an England team to play entertaining football, considering the lack of technical talent and the way football is coached at Youth level in this country

Fuck the results. They mean nothing without a trophy. Ramsey had a 60(ish)% win rate, but who gives a fuck? He won the bloody world cup!

Oh, and we played some good footy that year too.

Why's he talking to Italpress and not the press over here? He's coaching England not Italy.

I'm with fick, i want my England to have a go and not play crab football.

Crab is an excellent word, even if typed in error. Far too much side to side, not enough attack.

Sweey
08-02-2012, 21:04
Love football then Don? Doesn't sound like it. Or maybe it's just me living up to my fickle nature...

Football was ruined by money years ago. Look at all the players deemed 'world class' who would have been nothing more than mediocre in the 1990s. Not just me being nostalgic either.

At the end of the day, I'd rather Milan and Italy played shit football but were successful. What's the point of entertaining everyone but losing? You're still a loser at the end of the day. Of course I'd love both to play fantastic stuff and win but victories are more important than attractive play.

fick
08-02-2012, 21:07
Football was ruined by money years ago. Look at all the players deemed 'world class' who would have been nothing more than mediocre in the 1990s. Not just me being nostalgic either.

At the end of the day, I'd rather Milan and Italy played shit football but were successful. What's the point of entertaining everyone but losing? You're still a loser at the end of the day. Of course I'd love both to play fantastic stuff and win but victories are more important than attractive play.

And there was I thinking I was the only cynic still left around here!

Either that or I'm becoming an idealist as I get older...

Phil W.A.F.C
08-02-2012, 21:12
Is he? :huh:

Yeah, did you not know? :ohmy:

Maybe the new manager will leave the shit/veterans at home and take the younger ones that are gonna go to Brazil 2014 for some proper tournament experiance. Smalling, Walker, Strurridge, Welbeck and the like.

fick
08-02-2012, 21:14
Yeah, did you not know? :ohmy:

Maybe the new manager will leave the shit/veterans at home and take the younger ones that are gonna go to Brazil 2014 for some proper tournament experiance. Smalling, Walker, Strurridge, Welbeck and the like.

We can only hope. I'd love to see the likes of Oxlade-Chamberlain given a chance too. Age should be irrelevant.

Sweey
08-02-2012, 21:16
Yeah, did you not know? :ohmy:

The point you missed is that he WAS coaching England. You said he is, present tense, and that he should therefore talk to the English media. He WAS the coach and is no longer so has absolutely no need to speak to the English media.

The press conference tomorrow (which he is a part of??) is an FA event, the last of his tenure. His personal comments are more likely to go to media in his home country given that he is now returning there either to retire or look for work inside or outside Italy.

Phil W.A.F.C
08-02-2012, 21:18
We can only hope. I'd love to see the likes of Oxlade-Chamberlain given a chance too. Age should be irrelevant.

Exactly! Younger players with guts and no fear having a go. We don't expect to win the Euro's so what are we losing out on? Absolutely nothing. If anything we'll gain on expericance. Everyone already know's that Gerrard, Lampard, Terry to name a few can't do anything when it comes to the big stage.

Cannon ball
08-02-2012, 21:24
Correction: triffic.

Harry: "Yeah, we're looking to get Modric's passport sorted out, so he can play for England. He's a triffic player and a triffic lad."

Reporter: "But Harry, he's played for Croatia already. It's not allowed."

Harry: "No, no, no, we'll sort something out. The chairman reassured me."

Reporter: "Harry, it's impossible. I know you like to wheel and deal, but..."

Harry: "Fack off!"

:arry:

:lol:

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/2966/harryqb.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/harryqb.jpg/)

Michu
08-02-2012, 21:27
:lol:

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/2966/harryqb.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/harryqb.jpg/)

:laugh:

He's never going to get away from that.

Hunter
08-02-2012, 21:29
The football wasn't great - it never is from England, but he got results. Besides, it's always gonna be hard to get an England team to play entertaining football, considering the lack of technical talent and the way football is coached at Youth level in this country

I think the problem with the England team specifically is that a lot of the players just don't get on with one another. Club football has become so serious now, with so much money at stake, that we now have a 'win at all costs' mentality, including diving and cheating being more prominent. With this mentality, comes more tension naturally from pressure, and so when it's time to meet up for international duty, cliques are formed unquestionably. Add to that, players acting like utter idiots off the field, along with potentially being racist on it (Terry), and you just have absolutely no team cohesion whatsoever.

The problems run deeper than the manager, they have for a while. The problem is the players, and we've discussed this so many times on here.

I lost hope - and even interest in watching England a long time ago. I am genuinely disappointed whenever an England fixture is coming up, simply because it gets in the way of the league.

Appswah
08-02-2012, 21:49
http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg576/scaled.php?tn=0&server=576&filename=76kuh.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

Sweey
08-02-2012, 22:01
As I just said on FIFA clubs, Capello to Inter in the summer.

Bammers05
08-02-2012, 23:21
Exactly! Younger players with guts and no fear having a go. We don't expect to win the Euro's so what are we losing out on? Absolutely nothing. If anything we'll gain on expericance. Everyone already know's that Gerrard, Lampard, Terry to name a few can't do anything when it comes to the big stage.

While I agree that it would be better for us to build for Brazil 2014 with this tournament, than go all out to win it, the problem is: what happens when this young team doesn't get to the final, gets absolutely hammered by the Press, lose all their confidence and we end up with another ruined generation?

muscularmatt
08-02-2012, 23:59
Surely the job of a manager is to keep them motivated and explain to them that they don't have to listen to what the press say because they're all total cunts?

Bammers05
09-02-2012, 00:02
Far easier said than done, Matthew :jim:

muscularmatt
09-02-2012, 00:19
That's the thing though, it isn't that difficult. If there is one profession of people I fucking hate, it's journalists.

Bammers05
09-02-2012, 00:26
You may hate them, but if you had every paper in the country calling you all kinds of negative stuff, simply for something that happened in a football game, would you be able to ignore it?

IronCity
09-02-2012, 01:30
so was Capello really upset or was this his chance to get out and manage a club team, like the Inter suggestion above? A spot I heard on the radio suggested he has done this before at Real Madrid.

Meyyappan
09-02-2012, 04:18
Welbeck rooney chamber lain

Gerrard Wilshere Rodwell

Smalling jones Cahill Cole

Hart

and go all ouuut

If only Wenger agrees to coach them only in the summer and show the world he is still one of the best.

uA - 1905
09-02-2012, 04:38
what the fuck is that meyappen

Meyyappan
09-02-2012, 09:29
England's next line up that allows them to mould their youth into the national team and prepare them for w0rld cup 2014.The idea is that we give the young players a chance and make a formation around them and develop their game.

Sweey
09-02-2012, 09:50
so was Capello really upset or was this his chance to get out and manage a club team, like the Inter suggestion above? A spot I heard on the radio suggested he has done this before at Real Madrid.

At Real Madrid he wasn't appreciated because he didn't attack enough. Winning wasn't good enough for them.

He does not take kindly to interference and never has. He felt he didn't have total control so he walked.

I still fail to understand why he re-instated Terry as captain - it doesn't fit with his character up until he took the England job. To be fair, he isn't the same Capello now that he was before he got the position.

Welbeck rooney chamber lain

Gerrard Wilshere Rodwell

Smalling jones Cahill Cole

Hart

and go all ouuut

If only Wenger agrees to coach them only in the summer and show the world he is still one of the best.

For fucks sake Meyyappan. Stop with the Wenger love as it is frankly ridiculous and if that team above goes all out I'll be very happy because they'll get turned over regularly.

Ali_BWFC
09-02-2012, 09:51
Welbeck rooney chamber lain

Gerrard Wilshere Rodwell

Smalling jones Cahill Cole

Hart

and go all ouuut

If only Wenger agrees to coach them only in the summer and show the world he is still one of the best.

You've got 12 players there.

Meyyappan
09-02-2012, 13:17
I fail to see the joke.

Ali_BWFC
09-02-2012, 13:26
You've got 4 forwards:

Rooney
Welbeck
Chamber
Lain

:lol:

OMG I'm hilarious. :rolleyes:

Dragonfly
09-02-2012, 13:29
You've got 12 players there.

"Go all out", or have you misread his mistyping of Chamberlain?

EDIT: Skeen.

Michu
09-02-2012, 17:44
Stop with the Wenger love as it is frankly ridiculous and if that team above goes all out I'll be very happy because they'll get turned over regularly.

Or at least draw 0-0 with Algeria. Hell why not go 4-3-3, it'll be more entertaining than the dire fear football they currently play.

Bish
09-02-2012, 18:58
On a different subject, I think there's a few people who are putting too much faith/expectation on Rodwell. Don't get me wrong, I like him as a player but he needs to start running things in Everton's midfield before we can talk about him being a solid International. I think he can become one but he's still got some work to do.

Michu
09-02-2012, 19:09
On a different subject, I think there's a few people who are putting too much faith/expectation on Rodwell. Don't get me wrong, I like him as a player but he needs to start running things in Everton's midfield before we can talk about him being a solid International. I think he can become one but he's still got some work to do.

I do hope all the Rodwell talk is just that. We love to place hope on a player based on a meaningless friendly performance. It'll be Chamberlain next as it was with Rooney, unreasonable expectation. We need to stop building players up just to rip into when we discover perhaps they aren't quite as good as we first thought. Or just not ready yet.

Meyyappan
09-02-2012, 19:20
Actually Wazza or rather as he was formerly known White Pele did have the inate talent but did not have the mentality or temperament to fulfill it and he had some crucial injuries as well.

But we still missed out big on Wayne Rooney so thats why i think Arsene took the risk and snapped Oxalde up.

Wayne and Cristiano were the only gems you could start every week and expect them to get better and better and build teams around as well.

Bammers05
09-02-2012, 19:25
Actually Wazza or rather as he was formerly known White Pele did have the inate talent but did not have the mentality or temperament to fulfill it and he had some crucial injuries as well.

:carlton:

uA - 1905
09-02-2012, 20:32
Actually Wazza or rather as he was formerly known White Pele did have the inate talent but did not have the mentality or temperament to fulfill it and he had some crucial injuries as well.

But we still missed out big on Wayne Rooney so thats why i think Arsene took the risk and snapped Oxalde up.

Wayne and Cristiano were the only gems you could start every week and expect them to get better and better and build teams around as well.

what the fuck are you on about

uA - 1905
09-02-2012, 20:35
oxo chamberslains plays 4 games against rubbish full backs and suddenly people want him to play against lahms and maicons at a much bigger stage. nothing capello can do about that sort of moronry.

fick
09-02-2012, 20:36
what the fuck are you on about

Not an uncommon question round these parts...

IronCity
09-02-2012, 20:56
epsn made a good point by basically writing this little piece of fabric has sure caused a lot of problems for the national team over the last year or so

http://www.soccershoes-outlet.com/images/Accessories/England-Captain-Armband1.jpg

TH
09-02-2012, 20:59
oxo chamberslains plays 4 games against rubbish full backs and suddenly people want him to play against lahms and maicons at a much bigger stage. nothing capello can do about that sort of moronry.

You consider Evra a crap full back?

Dragonfly
09-02-2012, 21:00
He's one of the worst in the league, TH14.

uA - 1905
09-02-2012, 21:36
I just had a flashback to the time when Walcott was the best thing since sliced bread. He's more of a two day old rye bread now

oxo chamberslains plays 4 games against rubbish full backs and suddenly people want him to play against lahms and maicons at a much bigger stage. nothing capello can do about that sort of moronry.

not maicons obviously :facepalm:

Michu
09-02-2012, 22:45
Anyone read this frankly embarrassing and ignorant stack of shit from Paul Merson? He's really gone out on a limb to prove how thick he is.

http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,,15205_7499744,00.html

I'll pick out the most ignorant of his little Ingerrrrrrluuuunnd tub thumping.

there's no way in a million years that an Englishman would have done what Capello did this week. You'd never be able to show your face again if you resigned from the England job. If you get the sack that's fair enough, but I can't understand why you'd resign so close to a tournament.

Of course Merse. Instead we'd be lumbered with a lame duck manager with his authority undermined. A laughable tournament in turn then leading to the question, "Why wasn't he sacked before the tournament even began?". Yes Merse, I'm sure you can't understand why someone would place any value in their own dignity.

While I think it's important that the next manager is English, it's even more important that it's Harry Redknapp.The decision is a no-brainer and the only worry is that The FA might get it wrong. I'm not sure they have much of a clue if I'm being totally honest and you've only got to look at some of the decisions they've made for evidence of that.

So erudite reasoning to back up why it is so important then Paul? So the only worry is the FA might get it wrong, what not picking Harry is clearly wrong?! What sage insight is Paul basing any of this spurious nonsense on?

We had 10 new players on free transfers, but he was brilliant to play for and we got Portsmouth promoted to the Premier League. He's one of those managers who lets you go out and play.

Yes because playing in the Championship is eminently comparable to International competition. Triffic stuff.

For years our international players have had a fear factor, but that would be completely wiped out if Harry gets the job. People will be flocking to play - and people will be flocking to watch as well.

He's talking about those 10 free transfers at Porstmouth again ... honestly, its classic ex pro bollocks. Redknapp portrayed as the messiah, curing the weak footballers of their burdens, turning water into Lucozade and having Joe Jordan threatening Italians on the sidelines.

Honestly so much of this article is utter guff, I could write reams of castigating his idiocy. If I read another article by Paul Merson It's defenestration for him.

Makavelian
09-02-2012, 23:12
He's one of the worst in the league, TH14.

Thankfully all those Arsenal fullbacks prevent him from claiming the spot on the bottom of the pile.

Hunter
09-02-2012, 23:19
Agreed there Sminky. I almost think England don't deserve a manager like Fabio Capello.

muscularmatt
09-02-2012, 23:22
Merson's a fat moron. Sorry Paul, you seem like a nice guy, but I stick by my first sentence.

Michu
09-02-2012, 23:28
Agreed there Sminky. I almost think England don't deserve a manager like Fabio Capello.

I'm so bored of ex England players dressing up their casual xenophobia as a footballing concern. They sound like EDL idiots.

IronCity
09-02-2012, 23:32
listening to your talksports on the way home from work both commentary and call ins - seems like people forget that Redknapp hasn't been named manager; alot of present tense language instead of future language. seems a lot of people will be disappointed if he doesn't take nor offered the job.

Joel
09-02-2012, 23:53
Yeah, I'm starting to follow BarnDoor's mindset in hoping Harry gets it and fails miserably.

Bammers05
09-02-2012, 23:56
Didn't Kevin Keegan resign from the England job? :facepalm:

Michu
09-02-2012, 23:57
It's one shambles after another with England and these debacles always begin with those odious pricks at the FA. A change is needed right across the board to ensure the right managers are appointed.

Sweey
10-02-2012, 09:42
Do you now understand why I hate England so much?

I had to deal with this sort of idiocy and ignorance in school. When England played Brazil and Ian Wright came up against Roberto Carlos everyone was going on about how amazing Wright was and how England were a brilliant team who could beat anyone. I was the only one who knew what would happen as nobody else knew who Roberto Carlos even was. Suffice to say Wright did notihng.

Cannon ball
10-02-2012, 10:30
The FA and the press have ousted Capello. He's the most successful England manager ever, has the highest win record of any England manager, and has a flawless qualifying record. Even at the last WC, he still reached the last 16 and was only beaten by a Germany team that were just better on the day and overall, who went on to thrash Argentina 4-0 in the quarters. What was the problem with him though? He wasn't English, and it's an agenda by the press to get their best mates in the big roles. It was the same when City sacked Hughes. The criticism we got for it was solely due to the fact he was British, and his image within the mainstream media. They implore Mancini to get the sack after a defeat, yet view Hughes' dismissal as one of the biggest injustices in sport. Capello managed 42 games, you could probably count the number of bad performances on one hand. Since the WC, he has fulfilled the request of the media and FA, in bringing through a new generation; Wilshere, Carroll, Walker, Gibbs, Johnson, have all made their debuts under him, while Hart has become a regular, exactly what was demanded. During this transitional stage, England qualified for the Euro's unbeaten. Thats a success.

Its crazy to think that a guy who has won Serie A, and La Liga titles, Champions Leagues, and other cups, who had a brilliant record at international level, is being ousted for someone who's won one FA Cup with a team he almost bankrupted in the process. England are not very good at football, and haven't been for a while. At best, at quarter-final team. The expectation to just go there and take it by storm is silly, and completely unrealistic, as history shows.

I'm almost certain Redknapp will get it now, and I think it will be a joke to be honest. Back to the days of kick and rush football. I believe you pick the guy who has achieved the most, and the English manager who has done this, is Hodgson. I really doubt Hodgson will be picked due to his Liverpool episode. The FA won't go back for McClaren either. Bob Houghton is a talented, influential coach, who's enjoyed success, but isn't well known in England, and nobody cares about him. If we're expanding English to British, I'd like to see either Paul Lambert, or Brendan Rodgers. Both talented, young coaches, tactically aware, play good football, and have proven track records of bringing through players. They won't get it though. Foreign? Hitzfeld or Hiddink for me, but really can't see them getting it either. So I guess its going to be a guy who took a team from 5th spot to 4th spot, spending £200 million in doing so, was lucky to avoid prison, and has won one thing in over 30 years of management, because of his mates in the press who big him up. The much criticised Allardyce has brought in coaching methods and training way ahead of their time, and has done more with Bolton, then Redknapp with Spurs, turning them from relegation contenders into consistent UEFA Cup spot challengers. Triffic.

muscularmatt
10-02-2012, 11:41
Do you now understand why I hate England so much?


Yep, it's full of morons.


...for someone who's won one FA Cup with a team he almost bankrupted in the process.

WHY HAS NO ONE ELSE POINTED THIS OUT???

Yes, Fatknapp has had some success, but he's always haemorraged money wherever he's gone.

That whole post was brilliant btw, Cannon. Agree with every word.

Bammers05
10-02-2012, 12:48
The FA and the press have ousted Capello. He's the most successful England manager ever, has the highest win record of any England manager, and has a flawless qualifying record. Even at the last WC, he still reached the last 16 and was only beaten by a Germany team that were just better on the day and overall, who went on to thrash Argentina 4-0 in the quarters. What was the problem with him though? He wasn't English, and it's an agenda by the press to get their best mates in the big roles. It was the same when City sacked Hughes. The criticism we got for it was solely due to the fact he was British, and his image within the mainstream media. They implore Mancini to get the sack after a defeat, yet view Hughes' dismissal as one of the biggest injustices in sport. Capello managed 42 games, you could probably count the number of bad performances on one hand. Since the WC, he has fulfilled the request of the media and FA, in bringing through a new generation; Wilshere, Carroll, Walker, Gibbs, Johnson, have all made their debuts under him, while Hart has become a regular, exactly what was demanded. During this transitional stage, England qualified for the Euro's unbeaten. Thats a success.

Its crazy to think that a guy who has won Serie A, and La Liga titles, Champions Leagues, and other cups, who had a brilliant record at international level, is being ousted for someone who's won one FA Cup with a team he almost bankrupted in the process. England are not very good at football, and haven't been for a while. At best, at quarter-final team. The expectation to just go there and take it by storm is silly, and completely unrealistic, as history shows.

I'm almost certain Redknapp will get it now, and I think it will be a joke to be honest. Back to the days of kick and rush football. I believe you pick the guy who has achieved the most, and the English manager who has done this, is Hodgson. I really doubt Hodgson will be picked due to his Liverpool episode. The FA won't go back for McClaren either. Bob Houghton is a talented, influential coach, who's enjoyed success, but isn't well known in England, and nobody cares about him. If we're expanding English to British, I'd like to see either Paul Lambert, or Brendan Rodgers. Both talented, young coaches, tactically aware, play good football, and have proven track records of bringing through players. They won't get it though. Foreign? Hitzfeld or Hiddink for me, but really can't see them getting it either. So I guess its going to be a guy who took a team from 5th spot to 4th spot, spending £200 million in doing so, was lucky to avoid prison, and has won one thing in over 30 years of management, because of his mates in the press who big him up. The much criticised Allardyce has brought in coaching methods and training way ahead of their time, and has done more with Bolton, then Redknapp with Spurs, turning them from relegation contenders into consistent UEFA Cup spot challengers. Triffic.

I'm taking this post and putting it in the Post of the Year nominations thread :gu:

Dragonfly
10-02-2012, 13:36
For a second there, I thought this was a new thread where Capello resigned for England.

IronCity
10-02-2012, 15:27
I felt that the FA's councillor Peter Coates comments reminded me a little too much of the below image
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/1752/capellov.jpg

Haribo
10-02-2012, 18:31
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2099392/Spoof-advert-vacant-England-manager-post-removed-job-site-100-people-apply.html

I seem to be one unlucky applicant :(

Michu
10-02-2012, 18:51
Don, I remember Roberto Carlos from his one season at Inter in 1995/96, he was their best player by some distance.

Some decent chatter on Mediawatch about the smug and unfathomable celebrating over Capello's resignation ... and a brilliant bit of Satire on the Daily Mash here (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/capello-convicted-of-tax-evasion-201202094877/)

Voila!


Where would you like us to start with the sickeningly gleeful reaction from the press to Fabio Capello's departure? Well, Mediawatch is in a bad mood, so if you don't mind, we'll begin with the easiest target.

The Sun's Steven Howard is on predictably fine form. In line with his (and every other) paper's official policy, he wants Harry Redknapp to be Capello's replacement. Which is fine. However, let's have a look at why he thinks 'Arry will be better than Fabio.

Howard justifiably complains about Capello's ropey English, but writes: 'Though he did have enough grasp of the swear words to sit yelling at his players from the bench in South Africa. The clearest sign that he had totally lost the plot.'

Wait, he swore...so that means he's lost the plot? Good job we won't get that from Harry 'Just Facking Run Around A Bit Pav/I'm Not A Facking Wheeler Dealer' Redknapp, eh?

He goes on: 'Already past 60, he was set in his ways, prickly and a man neither to be crossed or disagreed with.'

Fabio Capello's age when he took over as England manager: 61. Harry Redknapp's current age: 64 (he'll be 65 in a few weeks).

And more: 'Capello should have been sacked after the World Cup - surely the worst performance by England at a major tournament. Yes, even more disastrous than the shambles under Kevin Keegan at Euro 2000.'

Sure, England faced tougher teams at Euro 2000, but they did qualify from the group stage in 2010.

And finally (well, not finally, but we only have so much time/space), about the World Cup squad, he writes: 'Theo Walcott didn't even make the squad, along with Adam Johnson and Scott Parker.'

We shall simply point to Mr Howard's column but a few weeks ago, on January 18, when he described Walcott as 'infuriatingly inconsistent'.

Just to the right of Howard's piece, The Sun produce a panel headlined 'Why he had to go (as if you need reminding)', giving 12 reasons why Capello was rubbish.

We'll ignore for a moment the astounding arrogance that comes with the assumption that absolutely everyone agreed with them, and skip a couple of pages back in the paper to their table of England managers. This table is ranked by the win percentage of these managers.

We probably don't need to remind you who is at the top.

Mistakes, Writes Martin Lipton of The Daily Mirror:

'Gone, without regrets, on either side. And gone two years after he should have done.'

Two years? Blimey. So, after the qualification campaign in which England scored the most goals in Europe? Before the World Cup? Crivens.

He goes on: 'There were mistakes, of course...the treatment of Michael Owen among them.'

Michael Owen among his mistakes? Must we go through this again? Well, we won't. We refuse. We'll go quite mad if we have to do this again.

fick
11-02-2012, 08:37
In general I agree with most everything CB put... but there are two things I cannot let go unmentioned...

He's the most successful England manager ever

Pardon? 1966? Success is measured by what targets you achieve. Ramsey had a winning average of over 60%, won games against some great teams, picked some great players who wanted to play for the shirt, not the cash, was brave enough to drop Greaves, possibly Englands best player during the tournament, just because he thought it was tactically the right thing to do...

..Oh yeah, he also won the World Cup. :mellow:

Even at the last WC, he still reached the last 16 and was only beaten by a Germany team that were just better on the day and overall

If I recall, we were bloody lucky to qualify. If I also remember, it was such a shite group that I'm sure Scotland would have qualified as runner up. As for the Germans being better on the day... I'd say better full stop.

I think everyone is really failing to notice a major flaw in Capello. I don't care that he's not English, I don't care that we haven't won anything. What I do care about is that when he came on the scene, little changed. We were still looking at the same team the previous managers were picking, the same players who had failed, or failed to turn up, for several years. The only difference I could see is that we played more slowly and defensively. Great for Italians, not so good for players used to the Prem. Especially players who seemed to find it so hard to create anything.

For me, Capello's biggest failure was being just another England Manager.

Nifty1Pound50
11-02-2012, 09:08
I think everyone is really failing to notice a major flaw in Capello. I don't care that he's not English, I don't care that we haven't won anything. What I do care about is that when he came on the scene, little changed. We were still looking at the same team the previous managers were picking, the same players who had failed, or failed to turn up, for several years. The only difference I could see is that we played more slowly and defensively. Great for Italians, not so good for players used to the Prem. Especially players who seemed to find it so hard to create anything.

For me, Capello's biggest failure was being just another England Manager.

I've always thought one of the most difficult challenges to do as a manager of a national football team would be completely change the way they play, though.

The important thing to note is that the high-tempo football being played in the Premiership is predominantly the work of non-English players. Just because the players in the England squad play in teams that play in a high-tempo league, they collectively - as a group of players - don't seem to have the ability to play at such a high tempo.

The fact is, to play more quickly, you need to be technically accurate whilst taking less time to do everything - in this regard, the English players are nowhere near their European and South American counterparts as far as being technicians of the ball.

Parker, Barry, Gerrard and Lampard and others simply cannot pop the ball around with the same nimble speed as the Spaniards (with their short-range passing), the Germans (with their slightly more expansive use of the whole pitch), the Brazilians (with their Brazilian abilities), the Dutch (with their technically gifted attackers).

I just don't think the style of football should be criticised; England, on the whole under Capello, tried to play the ball on the ground and keep possession - certainly preferable to lumping it long. I just think the simple fact is that England don't possess any talents that can really 'wow' an audience, produce a piece of magic to unlock a defence and, ultimately, win a game.

Which is why once they settle into a rhythm in a game, you always get the feeling they will win it. However, if they don't, then you feel they haven't got much more to offer.

All of the above are limitations of players, not the manager (in my opinion).

fick
11-02-2012, 09:22
I just don't think the style of football should be criticised; England, on the whole under Capello, tried to play the ball on the ground and keep possession - certainly preferable to lumping it long.

At England's best we used two things that the current England team seem incapable of using effectively. The wings. It's an English tradition and has been a source of goals and creative play for many, many years. Problem is, it's been forgotten. We used to have some great wingers, proper wingers. Get ball, run for the line, deliver a good cross. What we have now is more akin to, pass the ball to stationary player. Step over the ball 3 times. Pass back to the full back.

Even when a player does get free out wide, we really lack anyone capable of consistently delivering a decent ball into the box.

I just think the simple fact is that England don't possess any talents that can really 'wow' an audience, produce a piece of magic to unlock a defence and, ultimately, win a game.

Which agrees with my prior point. but begs the question of why? Or perhaps the better question of why hasn't anyone looked for them, rather than sticking with the usual offenders?

Which is why once they settle into a rhythm in a game, you always get the feeling they will win it.

Maybe it's the pessimist in me, having seen several managers keep using players that are not getting the job done, but I can't say I can agree with that at all.

All of the above are limitations of players, not the manager (in my opinion).

Yes and no. The limitations of the players, both mentally and technically is a key issue, but surely it's up to the manager to be picking the right ones?

Nifty1Pound50
11-02-2012, 09:57
Yes and no. The limitations of the players, both mentally and technically is a key issue, but surely it's up to the manager to be picking the right ones?

But have recent managers really been picking the wrong ones?

I mean, genuinely, if you had to pick a squad for the European Championships, how many of the starting line-up would you debate?

I know there are always a few eyebrows to be raised whenever a squad is picked, but it is generally because someone who would be on the fringe is left at home - very rarely does someone who it is widely regarded should start is left at home.

At England's best we used two things that the current England team seem incapable of using effectively. The wings. It's an English tradition and has been a source of goals and creative play for many, many years. Problem is, it's been forgotten. We used to have some great wingers, proper wingers. Get ball, run for the line, deliver a good cross. What we have now is more akin to, pass the ball to stationary player. Step over the ball 3 times. Pass back to the full back.

Even when a player does get free out wide, we really lack anyone capable of consistently delivering a decent ball into the box.

This, however, would be the position that is the exception to what I previously said.

I think recent England managers have regularly got this wrong and I think it is clear as day that Adam Johnson should not only be in the squad, but starting on the left wing every game.

The boy is a match-winner, likes to hug the touchline and get chalk on his boots (when playing from the left), has the flexibility to adapt his game when playing on the right and is part of a squad that is top of the league.

On the right, I'd go with either Lennon because of his pace or, preferably, Ashley Young who (although he's had an injury set-back) really seems to have settled well at United and has always done well internationally.

fick
11-02-2012, 10:24
I know there are always a few eyebrows to be raised whenever a squad is picked, but it is generally because someone who would be on the fringe is left at home - very rarely does someone who it is widely regarded should start is left at home.

And perhaps therein lies an issue? Are these players being picked because they are 'regarded' as good players? Lampard may appear effective at Chelsea, but he has been surrounded by foreign talent. Same can be applied to Barry.How frequently did he play for England prior to moving to City?

It's my firm belief that we are looking at the squad wrongly. I am positive there is talent in this country that is both untapped and unrecognised. Surely a manager would weigh all options? Have access to a scouting network?

I just feel we are treading the same old ground with the same old players and the only time a manager does something out of the ordinary/risky is when they know their job is under threat.

This, however, would be the position that is the exception to what I previously said.

I think we have more issues than that, however I have to agree your left wing choice would be a good one. Just a shame that the latest 'copy Barca' trend of having a right footer on the left and a left footer on the right has even crept into out international squad of late. Managers don't seem to realise this only works if your players have some skill.

Cannon ball
11-02-2012, 10:47
Pardon? 1966? Success is measured by what targets you achieve. Ramsey had a winning average of over 60%, won games against some great teams, picked some great players who wanted to play for the shirt, not the cash, was brave enough to drop Greaves, possibly Englands best player during the tournament, just because he thought it was tactically the right thing to do...

..Oh yeah, he also won the World Cup. :mellow:

Capello has a better win% record than Ramsey. He was sacked for failing to qualify for the 1974 WC. I know he won the WC, but not many other England managers have had the benefit of playing every game at home, and at Wembley. England had an argubly better team in 1970.

If I recall, we were bloody lucky to qualify. If I also remember, it was such a shite group that I'm sure Scotland would have qualified as runner up. As for the Germans being better on the day... I'd say better full stop.

France and Italy couldn't get out of their groups, and didn't even win one game. It wasn't the toughest group in the world, but you can only qualify out of whats put infront of you and he did that. I don't think they were lucky to do it either, all they had to do on the last game was beat Slovenia, and didn't need to rely on other results, and they beat them comfortably.

I think everyone is really failing to notice a major flaw in Capello. I don't care that he's not English, I don't care that we haven't won anything. What I do care about is that when he came on the scene, little changed. We were still looking at the same team the previous managers were picking, the same players who had failed, or failed to turn up, for several years. The only difference I could see is that we played more slowly and defensively. Great for Italians, not so good for players used to the Prem. Especially players who seemed to find it so hard to create anything.

For me, Capello's biggest failure was being just another England Manager.

Keeping possesion, and not lumping it up to a big man upfront is better. The high tempo 'English style' played in the Premier League is good for the Premier League, but not so good outside it, as a lack of English success in Europe in recent times shows. We think we can replicate it at International level. That kind of football will play right into the hands of well organised, tactical teams. Against the likes of Spain, and Germany it will be suicide. The game has moved on a lot since the time England won the WC, and the early 90's when England played a high tempo style. We can't win a WC like in 66, this is part of the problem, thinking we can do the same now and it will work. There was an article by Gary Neville about this, and he summed it up well.

fick
11-02-2012, 11:17
Capello has a better win% record than Ramsey. He was sacked for failing to qualify for the 1974 WC. I know he won the WC, but not many other England managers have had the benefit of playing every game at home, and at Wembley. England had an argubly better team in 1970.

I know Ramsey was sacked. Ironic, huh? Even a guy who takes you to and wins a final, then to a quarter final, still isn't safe. Stats all all about interpretation. Ramsey's %age was based on over 100 games, more than twice those managed by Capello. You could say for example that Mclaren was successful because England only lost 5 games under his reign and had a 50% win average, beating many of his esteemed predecessors. In a few years, who will care about Capello? Ramsey will still be known and respected.

Yes, England had a better side, not difficult though. Remember though that it was not an easy ride to the final, against some of the greatest players to have every played the beautiful game a and in an era where physical contact was allowed and diving hadn't yet been invented by One-Pen Lee.

There was an article by Gary Neville about this, and he summed it up well.

And you just lost me there.

Teams bombing out when we do well is pretty irrelevant. Yes, you have to beat what's in front of you, but really, The US, Slovenia and Algeria? We drew 2 won 1 and you have the gall to infer we did well? Sorry CB, as much as I respect your views normally, on this I feel you're way off the mark.

Finally, just to clarify, I never said all guns blazing. I specified wing play and adventure. Having control of the ball is great, but you do eventually have to do something with it and that's where the current England crop fail badly. No idea, no invention and no quality. No Manager now either.

Cannon ball
11-02-2012, 11:36
Its funny you mention One-Pen Lee, he was part of the 1970 team!

I felt the only game England were poor, in the 2010 WC was Algeria. If they won that, Germany would have been avoided all together, thats the game that cost them. Against the US they were alright, Slovenia they played well, and as for Germany, well, they were simply better. I'm not saying England were brilliant, but it wasn't a disaster either. France and Italy had far worse WC's, and not qualifying altogther as what happened in 94 is the real disaster. I'm not saying Capello was a saint. He made mistakes like every manager does, I just don't feel he deserves some of the flack he's getting from the press. I would have fancied England's chances more in 2012 with Capello than Redknapp.

Having control of the ball is great, but you do eventually have to do something with it and that's where the current England crop fail badly. No idea, no invention and no quality. No Manager now either.

Thats the problem of the players, and not the manager. We're not currently blessed with an abundance of players with great invention, flair and quality. Things are improving though. More players are being focused on the technical aspect, coaching has changed, there's more emphasis on futsal, and a new national football centre, St George's Park, is being built. Thats good news for us in 10-15 years time, but can't really have much of an impact now.

fick
11-02-2012, 11:46
I felt the only game England were poor

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

I would have fancied England's chances more in 2012 with Capello than Redknapp.

I'd fancy my chances more with Louise Redknapp. Take this how you will :D

Thats the problem of the players, and not the manager.

See, I don't agree with this. If players are not performing to the required standards, especially after a year (or in the case of some England players, always), then surely the manager then becomes culpable for not making a correction?

If one of my staff is not performing, then they are spoken to, disciplined or managed out. Why does the same not occur in football?

Please don't say money. For one it's too obvious and two, it's a poor excuse.

Cannon ball
11-02-2012, 11:58
See, I don't agree with this. If players are not performing to the required standards, especially after a year (or in the case of some England players, always), then surely the manager then becomes culpable for not making a correction?

If one of my staff is not performing, then they are spoken to, disciplined or managed out. Why does the same not occur in football?

Please don't say money. For one it's too obvious and two, it's a poor excuse.

I didn't mean the players performing badly. I meant the fact we don't have players of the technical ability of say Spain, Germany and the Netherlands, which is the main reason England fail. There isn't a huge pool of good enough English players to win a WC or Euro's, we don't have the depth. The fault of that lies more deeply than the manager. I feel picking less able players, than ones who haven't done aswell as they were perhaps expected to, eg. picking someone like Darren Pratley instead of Steven Gerrard, is not going to make England better, it will make them worse.

fick
11-02-2012, 12:15
I feel picking less able players, than ones who haven't done aswell as they were perhaps expected to, eg. picking someone like Darren Pratley instead of Steven Gerrard, is not going to make England better, it will make them worse.

Less able, or less well paid?

See, I like to be optimistic, but really struggle when it comes to English football. I really doubt that our 22-23 regulars are the best we have to offer. Opportunities come few and far between, I'll admit, but surely a cohesive team player would be of more benefit than a bin-dipping pre-Madonna?

My personal wish is to see some young, eager blood pull on an England shirt. Maybe even go down a division? Mexico had the right idea before the last tournament by playing shit-loads of friendlies. Worked for them, bearing in mind they were effectively a bunch of nobodies. The played attractive, fluid football and with experience it'll only get better. The England route is currently:

England Mgr: We need a new midfielder as Lampard can't fit in his shorts again.

Staff: What about Parker? No-one bothered with him for 4 or so years, but the lad is having a purple patch right now.

England Mgr: Isn't he 31 now?

Staff: Yes boss, but he'll be able to help the other old ones rub in the Deep Heat after the games

England Mgr: Excellent thinking. Sign him up.

:folarm:

Cannon ball
11-02-2012, 12:30
I would like to see England built around young players like Wilshere and McEachran. Not people who are just not very good, simply because they'll run around for 90 minutes when picked. I'm not a Gerrard lover, but if he's going to be replaced it has to be with someone young, who can be a mainstay in the team for years, not a quick fix player, or someone who isn't up to scratch.

fick
11-02-2012, 12:36
I would like to see England built around young players like Wilshere and McEachran. Not people who are just not very good, simply because they'll run around for 90 minutes when picked. I'm not a Gerrard lover, but if he's going to be replaced it has to be with someone young, who can be a mainstay in the team for years, not a quick fix player, or someone who isn't up to scratch.

I agree wholeheartedly CB, I really do, but under the regime of the last, god knows how many managers, that has never been the case. Remember Eriksson taking Walcott in the squad? Brave move? Perhaps, but then to not play him! This is the sort of mentality we are having to deal with and I'm afraid that Capello is no better. Most of his 'exciting' choices were borne of necessity, not out of looking for better options.

Redknapp is not the way forward either as he still has the old guard mentality.

In honesty, I can't say who would be best for the job, or the squad. Unless my application is successful...

IronCity
11-02-2012, 13:03
good discussion above again. I was surprised at Cannon's suggestion that the problems is that England tries to play the EPL style that doesn't work in an internatoinal theater. The surprising part is that I keep hearing/reading elsewhere that Capello's main fault was not learning the English game. A FA councillor made this quote as well. So Capello may have had it right all the while, and as Cannon also suggests it was the players not the manger.

or, did Capello have it right and was playing already an english style but the people who just wanted an english manager, or didn't like Capello for him just being Capello wanted him gone?

Cannon ball
11-02-2012, 15:06
good discussion above again. I was surprised at Cannon's suggestion that the problems is that England tries to play the EPL style that doesn't work in an internatoinal theater. The surprising part is that I keep hearing/reading elsewhere that Capello's main fault was not learning the English game. A FA councillor made this quote as well. So Capello may have had it right all the while, and as Cannon also suggests it was the players not the manger.

or, did Capello have it right and was playing already an english style but the people who just wanted an english manager, or didn't like Capello for him just being Capello wanted him gone?

I find it a bit insulting to Capello's intelligence that claim he didn't "learn" the English game. I know he's managed in Italy and Spain, but that doesn't mean he's ignorant of the English game, he's an experienced, intelligent guy, he would know about it, definitely.

nikos24
11-02-2012, 17:24
So Capello has resigned. That's the second time this year an Italian has jumped from a sinking ship.

:arry:

I seriously don't get it, any help please?

Keyser Soze
11-02-2012, 17:57
I seriously don't get it, any help please?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16611371

Sweey
12-02-2012, 13:36
Capello is "not going to coach a club in Italy" and "waiting for offers" according to his agent.

According to the Italian and Russian media, he is in Moscow right now talking to Anzhi. Two Italian coaches (I think Prandelli was one) said that Capello wouldn't have left England without having a plan in place. Is this that plan?

Berry
12-02-2012, 16:26
Sneijder linked with a move to Anzhi too. The club would suit Capello I think. His wage would be huge too just like his England payslip was!

Dragonfly
12-02-2012, 18:12
I'm guessing Capello wouldn't be interested in coaching a club in England.

Michu
12-02-2012, 18:38
I'm guessing Capello wouldn't be interested in coaching a club in England.

Certainly not compared to what he'll get paid at Anzhi. Not that Fabio is poor but its a nice pension fund and inheritance to pass on.

Joel
12-02-2012, 18:53
Certainly not compared to what he'll get paid at Anzhi. Not that Fabio is poor but its a nice pension fund and inheritance to pass on.

You would know all about those :terry:

Is Ranieri's contract just till the end of the season? I still can't look past Capello to Inter.

Michu
12-02-2012, 19:03
You would know all about those :terry:

Is Ranieri's contract just till the end of the season? I still can't look past Capello to Inter.

Ooh, get you :lol:

Mourinho for Inter? :hmm:

Sweey
12-02-2012, 19:31
You would know all about those :terry:

Is Ranieri's contract just till the end of the season? I still can't look past Capello to Inter.

Ranieri's contract runs to June 2013 but nobody seriously expects him to remain beyond the summer. Inter lost at home to bottom club Novara today. Novara have only won three league games so far this season - two against Inter. Since winning eight in a row, Inter have lost at Lecce (19th before the game), drawn 4-4 at home to Palermo, been spanked 4-0 at Roma and now lost to Novara plus been knocked out of the Coppa Italia by Napoli.

I too believe Capello could go to Inter as Spalletti has just extended his contract at Zenit and been given full control of transfers.

uA - 1905
12-02-2012, 19:48
Why isn't Steve Coppello considered?