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SteEagles27
30-05-2012, 17:32
It's a game that suddenly feels full of soul and encourages players to be more creative in their play - looking for the top corner, passing to Ronaldo who can dart through the box with ease, and flicking the ball over the last man after a long cross before slotting it home.
The slower pace, combined with the great PES FC additions, makes for a more tactical, skilful game, which not only shakes off last year's image as 'the arcade footy title' but, according to some FIFA-loving journos on our trip, might seriously be enough to see them switch allegiance this year.
Us? We were very impressed. Our upcoming FIFA 13 hands-on session suddenly has a lot to live up to...
this is going to be interesting
If it offers what I lacked in PES 2012, better passing, better shooting and no more undependable through balls it's a definite. It sounds so promising this year, let's hope for another 2 demos!
is it just be who absolutely LOVES pes 2012? I used to be all pes until fifa 08 i felt pes SUCKED but now with this one its the number 1 again for me
Moyesavelian
31-05-2012, 01:37
Pfffffffft..........Same old shit from the reviewers every year. I'll wait until i play it for myself.
Simply LOVE this version was 2011 like this one? i really hope pes don't change it all for the next one.
Pfffffffft..........Same old shit from the reviewers every year. I'll wait until i play it for myself.
But a bit positive for review this early. Noone trust reviewers, but its the beginning of June which is more of an early build of the game.
I've seen a few negative comments of PES 2013 such as players like CR7 impossible to defend and having an arcadish feel
After seeing THIS (http://www.konami-pes2013.com/eu/en/2012/05/pes-2013-new-screenshots-and-information/) it looks exacly like pes 2012... so no thanks!
It might turn out to be the same game, but you cannot say that from a still screen shot, so no thanks ;)
The graphics in PES 2012 weren't bad the just need to be sharper so one screenshot isn't enough, a vid will be better ;)
Moyesavelian
31-05-2012, 15:40
R.I.P pes
R.I.P pes
Seabass has gone so the start of the revolution begins now. Player ID was designed by the new man who replaced Seabass so promising times ahead.
R.I.P FIFA
R.I.P pes
Pes may rest in piece, but if Pes fails this year, then RIP football games in general.
Seabass has gone so the start of the revolution begins now. Player ID was designed by the new man who replaced Seabass so promising times ahead.
R.I.P FIFA
Seabass isnt gone. Hes working on pes next gen. Probebly pes2014, with a new engine.
Pes may rest in piece, but if Pes fails this year, then RIP football games in general.
No, this year they must save there faces. Next years game is when the revolution starts
No, this year they must save there faces. Next years game is when the revolution starts
When Fox engine will be put it PES. Cannot wait.
When Fox engine will be put it PES. Cannot wait.
after reading all these comments i think that im going to skip pes 2013 and go for 2014...
You shouldn't probably skip PES 2013 until you try the demo as Player ID sounds exciting and great and animations will be brand new and fresh. I'd say wait for the demo and then think if you're going to skip it or not
Heres a video of the fox engine and you can see screens all over the web about it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjFWLEBFlOc
why cant they just put this fox engine in pes 2013?
why cant they just put this fox engine in pes 2013?
1 year isn't enough time to implement the system in PES - they started using it at the start of this year and it would take 2 or 3 years to fit the engine in and customize it etc.
Oh i wouldnt skip on 2013. Its not gonne be a graphics upgrade. But it looks like game play changed a lot. Heck with some luck 2013 migth be the best pes next gen.
And yes fox engine is looking amazing. Pes2014 will probebly be the first pes on the next next gen and already two years in production by then. Its good to see konami doesnt make the same mistake twice.
Oh i wouldnt skip on 2013. Its not gonne be a graphics upgrade. But it looks like game play changed a lot. Heck with some luck 2013 migth be the best pes next gen.
And yes fox engine is looking amazing. Pes2014 will probebly be the first pes on the next next gen and already two years in production by then. Its good to see konami doesnt make the same mistake twice.
What do you mean when you say 'next, next gen' Do you mean the PS4 will be released by then?
Yes. Dont really know how else to say it. But yes xbox720 or durango and ps4 or orbis. Looks like it will be the end of 2013.
I hope they don't change it too much pes 2012 is perfect, the last thing i want is it to turn shit with all that tactical defending bollocks that fifa has just as i had changed back to pes again.
I hope they don't change it too much pes 2012 is perfect, the last thing i want is it to turn shit with all that tactical defending bollocks that fifa has just as i had changed back to pes again.
From what i read its gonne be differend. And im not unhappy about that. But we have to play before we know.
All i know is the defending princeple stays the same, only now if you duddle press a or x you can do a tackle when you want. And there is manual shooting and the goalkeepers are redone
1 year isn't enough time to implement the system in PES - they started using it at the start of this year and it would take 2 or 3 years to fit the engine in and customize it etc.
Sup Abu,
Based on the video back in 2011, there was not much that could have been said or seen of the new "Fox Engine". As a matter of fact, the video he produced is grossly aged. Most of the video games today have superior quality to what was displayed. Furthermore he basically said nothing that would be of any interest to any developer today.
In terms of PES 2013, it appears (only speculating) that the improvements will be based on graphics. But of course we have to be mindful of what is said or read since based on the past promises of Konami and the Fish ...they always admit in the end that the game was not really what they were looking to produce....maybe next year.
So I will take every review and comments with a grain of salt.
As stated by most ...we will have to see how the finished game looks (not the demo) before we can get a true feel of the game. Konami's reputation is in the gutters right now.
For me, their company's new motto is "..Maybe next year".
There is no doubt in my mind that Fifa will murder these fools again this year. :w00t
Peace
Ockrass, for all I know, Pes 13 might turn out to be a bad game. Who knows. But the last part of your post
"There is no doubt in my mind that Fifa will murder these fools again this year."
Do not start a war here please. But do know this. You cannot replace trash with trash because in the end, you would still end up with trash.
[PST]SuSpEcT
01-06-2012, 08:40
PES 2013 feature presentation [E3 2012]
LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=A0DjK7DDJNI)
Ockrass, for all I know, Pes 13 might turn out to be a bad game. Who knows. But the last part of your post
"There is no doubt in my mind that Fifa will murder these fools again this year."
Do not start a war here please. But do know this. You cannot replace trash with trash because in the end, you would still end up with trash.
Brilliantly put, as the improvements in FIFA are minimal with no big steps in AI, where FIFA lack
Craney91
01-06-2012, 12:08
Gotta say I've watched the video and seen the pics for PES "2013" and its the same old dog sh*t, no where near enough improvement to justify another yearly £40. It's all about making the money, not about making the game as good and polished it can be before release anymore, but about churning out a boring repetitive liquid annual release to rake in the money.
The games are riddled with problems from day 1 and it really angers me that developers think it is perfectly fine to still go ahead and release a game, especially when they are aware of all the bugs and crap in the game before they release it, the fact that we end up seeing 4 or 5 patches, tells me the game shouldn't have been released in the first place.
This says it all.
Don't get me wrong, it's not just Konami, and Konami do more than most developers and seem to do just that little bit more in supporting there games yearly duration, but the games nowhere near improve enough ever year, to make me delve into my small pockets and rush to the shops.
FIFA is no different, both football games are going 1 step forward 1 step back. Blame it on the consoles and platforms all you want, but EA Sports and Konami can do more than this, considering the sort of money they are raking in and technology at there disposal.
I said years ago DLC would be the killer, and so far it is proving to be true. Especially when they stick a price onto it and focus more on DLC than the game it needs to play on in the first place.
But like I said, it's not just football games, its computer games in general today.
Todays games don't even deserve to eat of the same table as games made 6-or-so years ago on the PS2, it sounds ridiculous, buts its true. Todays games have no consistency, no balance, foundation or stability and its a crying shame.
If I was a millionaire, I might consider getting the games out of ignorance, but the fact that I'm in the same boat as millions of people, I won't be touching them.....unfortunately for the developers....but fortunately for me!
wheresmark
01-06-2012, 12:46
Gotta say I've watched the video and seen the pics for PES "2013" and its the same old dog sh*t, no where near enough improvement to justify another yearly £40. It's all about making the money, not about making the game as good and polished it can be before release anymore, but about churning out a boring repetitive liquid annual release to rake in the money.
The games are riddled with problems from day 1 and it really angers me that developers think it is perfectly fine to still go ahead and release a game, especially when they are aware of all the bugs and crap in the game before they release it, the fact that we end up seeing 4 or 5 patches, tells me the game shouldn't have been released in the first place.
This says it all.
Don't get me wrong, it's not just Konami, and Konami do more than most developers and seem to do just that little bit more in supporting there games yearly duration, but the games nowhere near improve enough ever year, to make me delve into my small pockets and rush to the shops.
FIFA is no different, both football games are going 1 step forward 1 step back. Blame it on the consoles and platforms all you want, but EA Sports and Konami can do more than this, considering the sort of money they are raking in and technology at there disposal.
I said years ago DLC would be the killer, and so far it is proving to be true. Especially when they stick a price onto it and focus more on DLC than the game it needs to play on in the first place.
But like I said, it's not just football games, its computer games in general today.
Todays games don't even deserve to eat of the same table as games made 6-or-so years ago on the PS2, it sounds ridiculous, buts its true. Todays games have no consistency, no balance, foundation or stability and its a crying shame.
If I was a millionaire, I might consider getting the games out of ignorance, but the fact that I'm in the same boat as millions of people, I won't be touching them.....unfortunately for the developers....but fortunately for me!
It's not just football games. Nearly all games now have these problems. Look at call of duty and Battlefield and Dirt and NFS and Madden, elder scrolls, Tekken - all these games get so much hate from their 'Fans' usually the fans still stay even though they 'hate' the game.
Developers have to rush a game out every year and it's simply not enough time to make a game in the current climate.
Many people also enjoy games, but people only talk about it when they want to complain, so you don't see the many people who are happy with games and don't see the problems. Also, they can't please everybody.
About games getting worse. I disagree to a point. To a point it is correct, but if you look at it from another angle, it's a different story. Back in the day, very games games came out in comparison to how many games emerge every year in today's times. So obviously we'll see more bad games than before. Than there's the matter of the internet and social stuff. People love to complain, and with these social sites getting stronger, you will obviously see more "hate" than before.
But with all that, many games have lost difficulty level or went the wrong way. COD lost it's way for example especially with MW3. However, there are still great games today.
Look at Diablo 3, Skyrim (which may be easy, but extremely enjoyable), Dark Souls (a hard but fair and skillful experience, which is an awesome game), WWE 12 (a great wrestling game that has bad points, but it's still very enjoyable and it's a big step up for the series), Red Dead Redemption (easily puts any previous GTA to shame in terms of story and feelings)... As you see, I mentioned a few games that came out recently (apart from RDR which was released in 2010) and yet they are still very good experiences.
Now for this year and 2013. I am sure that Hitman Absolution will be an awesome game.
I know it may be off topic, but I hate it when people complain that all games suck,when in reality there are good games around. Some may have lost the toughness, but they're still very enjoyable.
Completely agree with you shaun. I think ppl expect to much, we musnt forget it are video games. I remember playing boxing on atari seeing two hand a face and a nose you had to hit. Ppl always complain right away when they see one bad thing forgeting all the good thinks. Its like a trend these days tojust complain about it and it, its save cause its on the internet. And there a so many good games on the market and some games are bad yes but alot of themare good. And if you dont like games then maybe you dont like gaming all together and must find a new hobby. There are so many good games out there and so many many more to come
Craney91
01-06-2012, 14:10
It's not just football games. Nearly all games now have these problems. Look at call of duty and Battlefield and Dirt and NFS and Madden, elder scrolls, Tekken - all these games get so much hate from their 'Fans' usually the fans still stay even though they 'hate' the game.
Developers have to rush a game out every year and it's simply not enough time to make a game in the current climate.
Many people also enjoy games, but people only talk about it when they want to complain, so you don't see the many people who are happy with games and don't see the problems. Also, they can't please everybody.
I did say that bud ;)
It's all computer games in general, the focus of developers are on the wrong things and to see what games are like now, compared to 6 years or so ago, its a total disaster.
Of course you'll get the gloss and the better graphics, those things are compulsory as the years go by, but the gameplay is still the fundamental thing that should be focused on drastically improving each year......and they're not. AT ALL. The focus is always on premium on disc (a total con) DLC, sales, and the next game (before its even out!)
The industry is a business now more than ever, developers made games because of the love, passion and ideas they had years ago, now its a polar opposite, they are made for the sake of it by sales people.
And that is the difference!
It's all about sales pitch and fancy trimmings.....but the games never lie and they are like water now, when they used to be must have bundles of exploration, escapism and fun.
Craney91
01-06-2012, 14:19
About games getting worse. I disagree to a point. To a point it is correct, but if you look at it from another angle, it's a different story. Back in the day, very games games came out in comparison to how many games emerge every year in today's times. So obviously we'll see more bad games than before. Than there's the matter of the internet and social stuff. People love to complain, and with these social sites getting stronger, you will obviously see more "hate" than before.
But with all that, many games have lost difficulty level or went the wrong way. COD lost it's way for example especially with MW3. However, there are still great games today.
Look at Diablo 3, Skyrim (which may be easy, but extremely enjoyable), Dark Souls (a hard but fair and skillful experience, which is an awesome game), WWE 12 (a great wrestling game that has bad points, but it's still very enjoyable and it's a big step up for the series), Red Dead Redemption (easily puts any previous GTA to shame in terms of story and feelings)... As you see, I mentioned a few games that came out recently (apart from RDR which was released in 2010) and yet they are still very good experiences.
Now for this year and 2013. I am sure that Hitman Absolution will be an awesome game.
I know it may be off topic, but I hate it when people complain that all games suck,when in reality there are good games around. Some may have lost the toughness, but they're still very enjoyable.
I don't touch all those dungeons and dragon games. never have. Lardy di dar Skyrim, World of Wankraft, MMORPG fairytale nonsense.
Those games are aimed at a certain demographic, I don't fall into it, I'm more sport, action, racing, simulation myself.
I really don't get the whole, spend 5 days killing chickens in a field for XP to level up and get some sort of fancy sword to slay dragons. :D
Hitman is a game I DO like, but this new game Absolution, is NOT Hitman, Hitman to me is Hitman 2 Silent Assassin, Hitman Contracts....not Splinter Cell Conviction-Absolution. Which is what Absolution is, everything but THE Hitman. Even Blood Money pushed the boundaries, but I still class it as a Hitman game worthy of the Hitman name.
As for PES and FIFA, its about time they take 2 or 3 years of to REALLY improve the game.
I don't touch all those dungeons and dragon games. never have. Lardy di dar Skyrim, World of Wankraft, MMORPG fairytale nonsense.
Those games are aimed at a certain demographic, I don't fall into it, I'm more sport, action, racing, simulation myself.
I really don't get the whole, spend 5 days killing chickens in a field for XP to level up and get some sort of fancy sword to slay dragons. :D
You are clearly mislead when it comes to gaming or you don't know much at all. If you had said in a polite way that you don't enjoy RPG fantasy games, sure, it would be your opinion, but the way you're going on about things, proves my point. People love to hate while forgetting the good stuff. But what's irritating the most is when people assume something and say it's real. I can understand you not liking Skyrim like games though, don't get me wrong here. :)
Hitman is a game I DO like, but this new game Absolution, is NOT Hitman, Hitman to me is Hitman 2 Silent Assassin, Hitman Contracts....not Splinter Cell Conviction-Absolution. Which is what Absolution is, everything but THE Hitman. Even Blood Money pushed the boundaries, but I still class it as a Hitman game worthy of the Hitman name.
Bla, bla, bla. I didn't hear that. Sorry to say, but you have abseloutely no idea about Absolution or you totally missed the point. A point which I won't care to explain here. Come to the Absolution thread because it's offtopic here or come to the Hitman forum. But man, seriously, I suggest you stop this negativity and actually start to see some positivity because it's all around you if you want to see it. ;)
For Pes and fifa I agree, because both need to come up with something good. But just because the games you like aren't good anymore, it doesn't mean that all the games are bad. I mentioned some that for me were extremely enjoyable. So go out, and get some good games. :)
If you're into sports and simulation, there are good games like Forza 4 for example.
Max payne, gta, red dead, hitman, halo, gears of war, last of us, battlefield, assasins creed, mass effect, far cry, ufc, ssx, wipeout, god of war, ninja gaiden, madden, 2k2012, mlb the show..... And i can go on and on
Craney91
01-06-2012, 17:12
Some people need to get there heads from out of the sand and wake up a little bit. ;)
Whenever this "conversation" arises it is always the case that people get highly offended by somebody speaking blunt about the state of computer games. It's like they go all defensive because people dare not say whats right about the industry. It means so much to them, almost like they are brainwashed by it at all, they will defend it to the death and attack those who speak out.
Also, if you actually READ what I said, there are SOME good points to todays games, but the BADS outweigh the goods FOR ME. For all kind of different reasons, reasons I've already provided. But the goods come in bits with todays games, divided, separate...and that's done on purpose to entice you into believing that the next game that comes along the conveyer belt, will fix all of those problems with the previous installment, rinse and repeat. Developers sell you an illusion. Almost like that episode of South Park where they play that stupid game chasing the horse, but they never catch it.
The fact of the matter is, games should have moved on so much over the last 6 years, GAMEPLAY wise with the new technology....and in all honesty, it hasn't, it's just go buggier and glitchier, but the gloss around the edges has moved along steadily.
Let's take PES 6 for instance, a complete football game, solid, does the job in all sorts of areas, was as good as it can be from day 1 on release. Compare that to PES 2012.....how many patches have there been again?
It's happened with so many games, not just PES.
But some of you will be so blind and captivated by it all, you will basically bend over, pull your trousers down and let these game developers do what they want.....and guess what?.....you'll pay for that to!....and the extras afterwards... (DLC)
I guess having played games for as long as I have, once you reach that, you might see it all the same as me, because believe it or not, I was like you once, I could see no wrong.
....and now I weigh up all the options and variables before spending cash on these computer games.
Wake up. It's embarrassing.
We provided a list of very good games and yet you still come here and say the same things? There's something wrong there. It isn't us, that misread you. It is you that keeps misjudging the situation my friend.
Yes, I agreed with you that many games should have moved on but failed to do so. Pes and Fifa are perfect exmaples of this. But those alone are a tiny particle compared to how many games are out there. That's my point. Just because the games you know of are failing, it doesn't mean that every game is doing so. Myself and the poster above provided a list of some excellent games. You may not like them, but you cannot keep saying that the gaming industry is failing just because the games you like are not moving forward.
I have been playing games since the very early 90's. So that's almost 20 years. Yeah I started gaming at 4-5. So I can call myself an experienced gamer too and I can see a bad game from a good one. You know how many games I get every year? 3. Only 3 or 4. Yeah, that's how picky I am. So when I say that a game is good,, for me, it is good for those who like those kind of games. ;)
Some people need to get there heads from out of the sand and wake up a little bit. ;)
Whenever this "conversation" arises it is always the case that people get highly offended by somebody speaking blunt about the state of computer games. It's like they go all defensive because people dare not say whats right about the industry. It means so much to them, almost like they are brainwashed by it at all, they will defend it to the death and attack those who speak out.
Sorry but that is just retarded. So thats gonne be your anwser whenever someone doesnt agree with you. Maybe you take it all alittle to seriously. I couldnt care less if you think there are only bad games or more bad things in games then good. Looks like you gonne save alot of money.
Ockrass, for all I know, Pes 13 might turn out to be a bad game. Who knows. But the last part of your post
"There is no doubt in my mind that Fifa will murder these fools again this year."
Do not start a war here please. But do know this. You cannot replace trash with trash because in the end, you would still end up with trash.
I am not starting any war here Shaun....i am just stating the facts.
Fifa will murder Konami again this year because Fifa is the best footie game on any platform today....period!
I know you don't like seeing that written anywhere...and will go to no ends to smear EA's name. You see Shaun my friend...wars are usually between at least two parties.
Maybe you should not start a war trying to pass those "stupid, idiotic, chase the goats and chickens win a sword" games such as Skyrim and Dark Souls on people. If you like them ...keep it to yourself! Not everyone does.
The question is Shaun.....who decides if a game is good or bad?
When you find the answer to that question ....you will find peace within yourself and maybe ...just maybe... start playing Fifa again.
By the way...if you only purchase 3 to 4 games a year....who are you to tell others what games are good or bad or if the gaming industry is doing good or bad. Leave it to people like me who owns 80% of the games that are released yearly.
One more thing Shaun ........FIFA 13! :D
:no: god damn you hate fifa ....:lol:
I am not starting any war here Shaun....i am just stating the facts.
Fifa will murder Konami again this year because Fifa is the best footie game on any platform today....period!
I know you don't like seeing that written anywhere...and will go to no ends to smear EA's name. You see Shaun my friend...wars are usually between at least two parties.
But not in this thread. It's always the same. I won't indulge in this argument.
Maybe you should not start a war trying to pass those "stupid, idiotic, chase the goats and chickens win a sword" games such as Skyrim and Dark Souls on people. If you like them ...keep it to yourself! Not everyone does.
That's not a war. A war is when you compare games. I wasn't comparing. I was mentioning a few excellent games unlike fifa and pes.
The question is Shaun.....who decides if a game is good or bad?
When you find the answer to that question ....you will find peace within yourself and maybe ...just maybe... start playing Fifa again.
No, as long as Fifa runs on the same engine script, I will never touch it again because it is so fundamentally flawed that it bugs me straight away. If you like it, go to the fifa thread. :)
By the way...if you only purchase 3 to 4 games a year....who are you to tell others what games are good or bad or if the gaming industry is doing good or bad. Leave it to people like me who owns 80% of the games that are released yearly.
Because I play the demos, watch many videos and read alot about the games and I never buy games that I won't play. So in the end, I would end up playing the best games (for me) and the best quality games (you may not like the games that I do, but the games I listed are quality).
I don't hate fifa, I hate bad games like it.
zizou4ever
02-06-2012, 15:48
I have read several reviews of PES 2013 and, although almost all of them are positive, I really did not see anything that indicates that it will be a great game. Most of them agree that PES 2013 is a kind of "tweaked PES 2012".
I saw the list of new commands and I am disappointed that they are just those ones. Player ID for only 50 players? Really?
What about shielding the ball? What about a real 360 dribbling system? What about better and more fluid animations? And the stadium atmosphere?
So far I am not impressed at all. I am aware that PES 2013 possibly will be better than PES 2012 but that's not enough. I was expecting a lot more.
I have read several reviews of PES 2013 and, although almost all of them are positive, I really did not see anything that indicates that it will be a great game. Most of them agree that PES 2013 is a kind of "tweaked PES 2012".
I saw the list of new commands and I am disappointed that they are just those ones. Player ID for only 50 players? Really?
What about shielding the ball? What about a real 360 dribbling system? What about better and more fluid animations? And the stadium atmosphere?
So far I am not impressed at all. I am aware that PES 2013 possibly will be better than PES 2012 but that's not enough. I was expecting a lot more.
Chill out, this is the first code and this is the first year when the reviews for the first code sound promising. Player ID is a lot for 50 players as the other players in the game will also have unique moves but not as exact as those 50 players they are copying exactly. From reading these reviews, its very hard to not jump on the hype train.
Also, shielding the ball is better with the new touch settings so you can fend the ball off a player using your body and using R2 makes you position your body more better and effectively. R2 is magical this year basically in terms of control and trap so don't be disheartened already as there is more to come. 360 dribbling was already mentioned from the start as players now aren't locked to the ball and are free to move so supercancel is unnecessary this year according to Adam from WENB. Animations are to be improved but not mind-blowing animations as this engine is really limited so the animation will be simple and fluid but not FIFA-esque.
MozzyEng
02-06-2012, 19:27
Some people need to get there heads from out of the sand and wake up a little bit. ;)
Whenever this "conversation" arises it is always the case that people get highly offended by somebody speaking blunt about the state of computer games. It's like they go all defensive because people dare not say whats right about the industry. It means so much to them, almost like they are brainwashed by it at all, they will defend it to the death and attack those who speak out.
Also, if you actually READ what I said, there are SOME good points to todays games, but the BADS outweigh the goods FOR ME. For all kind of different reasons, reasons I've already provided. But the goods come in bits with todays games, divided, separate...and that's done on purpose to entice you into believing that the next game that comes along the conveyer belt, will fix all of those problems with the previous installment, rinse and repeat. Developers sell you an illusion. Almost like that episode of South Park where they play that stupid game chasing the horse, but they never catch it.
The fact of the matter is, games should have moved on so much over the last 6 years, GAMEPLAY wise with the new technology....and in all honesty, it hasn't, it's just go buggier and glitchier, but the gloss around the edges has moved along steadily.
Let's take PES 6 for instance, a complete football game, solid, does the job in all sorts of areas, was as good as it can be from day 1 on release. Compare that to PES 2012.....how many patches have there been again?
It's happened with so many games, not just PES.
But some of you will be so blind and captivated by it all, you will basically bend over, pull your trousers down and let these game developers do what they want.....and guess what?.....you'll pay for that to!....and the extras afterwards... (DLC)
I guess having played games for as long as I have, once you reach that, you might see it all the same as me, because believe it or not, I was like you once, I could see no wrong.
....and now I weigh up all the options and variables before spending cash on these computer games.
Wake up. It's embarrassing.
Amen. Lol at world of wankcraft to. That's what i called it (Who ever said that)
zizou4ever
03-06-2012, 15:42
Chill out, this is the first code and this is the first year when the reviews for the first code sound promising. Player ID is a lot for 50 players as the other players in the game will also have unique moves but not as exact as those 50 players they are copying exactly. From reading these reviews, its very hard to not jump on the hype train.
Also, shielding the ball is better with the new touch settings so you can fend the ball off a player using your body and using R2 makes you position your body more better and effectively. R2 is magical this year basically in terms of control and trap so don't be disheartened already as there is more to come. 360 dribbling was already mentioned from the start as players now aren't locked to the ball and are free to move so supercancel is unnecessary this year according to Adam from WENB. Animations are to be improved but not mind-blowing animations as this engine is really limited so the animation will be simple and fluid but not FIFA-esque.
Abu97, you have no idea how much I hope you are right. However this is not my first PES. Just to give you an example:
"That's not to say Konami hasn't moved the series forward. In fact it's a noticeable improvement over last year's next-gen effort for a number of reasons. Firstly, the loose controls have been tightened up and are much more responsive, providing greater on-the-ball and close control. The AI - the foundation upon which PES has been built for so long - is markedly better too. Your players make more intelligent runs, they work together as a team more proficiently and the opposition puts up a much better fight, especially on the higher difficulty settings against the best teams.
(...) Having said that, the AI still feels more like an evolution rather a revolution, which is no bad thing. Defenders will track back more aggressively if you continually attack in the same way and, likewise, they'll take advantage of weak spots in your defence unless you adapt to the way they play. However, it's not so overwhelming that you need to change your tactics every time you run out onto the pitch.
(...) Your players react the way you'd expect them to, not just as a team but also as individuals. Rooney is a bruiser on the ball and can ride the challenges of most defenders and still net a goal from 35 yards. Fabregas, on the other hand, occasionally needs protecting from overly enthusiastic opposition but technically he's one of the best players in the game, making rarely a stray pass even under pressure. "
So, that was a review for PES 2008! All elements that Konami has advertised are there: "improved AI", "close control", "individuality". I suggest you checking the reviews for previous PES. It is all about the same.
I am not saying that FIFA is better. Actually I never really played FIFA apart from the demos.
What I am saying is that I am no longer believe that the game will be awesome because of the reviews.
I do hope I am wrong.
Abu97, you have no idea how much I hope you are right. However this is not my first PES. Just to give you an example:
"That's not to say Konami hasn't moved the series forward. In fact it's a noticeable improvement over last year's next-gen effort for a number of reasons. Firstly, the loose controls have been tightened up and are much more responsive, providing greater on-the-ball and close control. The AI - the foundation upon which PES has been built for so long - is markedly better too. Your players make more intelligent runs, they work together as a team more proficiently and the opposition puts up a much better fight, especially on the higher difficulty settings against the best teams.
(...) Having said that, the AI still feels more like an evolution rather a revolution, which is no bad thing. Defenders will track back more aggressively if you continually attack in the same way and, likewise, they'll take advantage of weak spots in your defence unless you adapt to the way they play. However, it's not so overwhelming that you need to change your tactics every time you run out onto the pitch.
(...) Your players react the way you'd expect them to, not just as a team but also as individuals. Rooney is a bruiser on the ball and can ride the challenges of most defenders and still net a goal from 35 yards. Fabregas, on the other hand, occasionally needs protecting from overly enthusiastic opposition but technically he's one of the best players in the game, making rarely a stray pass even under pressure. "
So, that was a review for PES 2008! All elements that Konami has advertised are there: "improved AI", "close control", "individuality". I suggest you checking the reviews for previous PES. It is all about the same.
I am not saying that FIFA is better. Actually I never really played FIFA apart from the demos.
What I am saying is that I am no longer believe that the game will be awesome because of the reviews.
I do hope I am wrong.
That review overhyped things a lot but it didn't mention any elements that are going to take place in PES 2008 - PES 2012 mentions it is going to improve 5 things- Dynamic first touch, response defending, pro-active AI, player ID and some other things and that is going to happen. PES 2008's reviews, eventhough the game was crap, say some aspects are going to improve, nothing new. Instead everything went down and nothing new was there. PES 2012 will obviously include the elements, as eventhough they lie, they aren't going to joke and say they are not going to add the new features.
Look at PES 2012 - they said AI is going to be revamped and more responsive and it was. PES 2013 will contain the 5 things I mentioned but could have a downgrade like PES 2012 did so it might not be a good game.
I'm not sure you understand my point as I may have confused you, but all PES 2012 needed was manual passing, shooting, individuality and better AI aswell as defending to be at the most a good game and we will be getting that as they are themselves a new feature KONAMI are adding. If we are not, trust me, KONAMI are going to lose alot of fans for lying.
I also don't trust reviews as they go over the top, but when was that PES 2008 review written? 1 month before release?
Craney91
03-06-2012, 21:05
Both games suffer from the same problems funnily enough. Although one does more than the other. They both suffer from game breaking scripting and rubber banding and no matter how much the fanboys and developers will deny it. It always has existed, it has to exist for the game itself to exist, however, although its always been there, todays football games suffer from it more than they used to.
Pro Evo for the last couple of years has improved, where FIFA has been the same old same old. FIFA sells to demographic and blind gamers, Pro Evo sells to the football enthusiast and it has something FIFA simply doesn't have. Soul.
It's that soul that will keep you going back for more and keeping your interested, FIFA will script the f*ck out of you, until you stop playing the game.
Both games have been "hacked" to find out the variables and code used to build these games, FIFA has code during games that will effect how the game plays, most of it is momentum code. Pro Evo has code base on runs of games or wins. I'm convinced we've all had a streak of winning in ML, beating teams with ease and then you'll play one game, where the CPU goalie will be superhuman and there will be a lack of control over your own players. It contains code where the game will see it as "you shouldn't have done that" You shouldn't have won that last game" therefore we will screw you in the next.
These are odd occasions though, whereas FIFA runs as the game runs, meaning scripting is almost in every single game played.
Shove your licenses up your arse! It has NEVER made up for the gameplay, i've always stood by that. So while FIFA had a good couple of years at PES's demise in 2008 and 2009, NOT because FIFA drastically improved, BUT more so Pro Evo was so poor!
......and now Pro Evo has took over again in many aspects.....although the mainstream will never say that now, they say what they get paid to say!
People must not forget, FIFA had 2 years over Pro Evo. Fair enough.
But Pro Evo had 10 or so years over it, late PS1 years all the way through the PS2.
FIFA was nothing.
Both games suffer from the same problems funnily enough. Although one does more than the other. They both suffer from game breaking scripting and rubber banding and no matter how much the fanboys and developers will deny it. It always has existed, it has to exist for the game itself to exist, however, although its always been there, todays football games suffer from it more than they used to.
Pro Evo for the last couple of years has improved, where FIFA has been the same old same old. FIFA sells to demographic and blind gamers, Pro Evo sells to the football enthusiast and it has something FIFA simply doesn't have. Soul.
It's that soul that will keep you going back for more and keeping your interested, FIFA will script the f*ck out of you, until you stop playing the game.
Both games have been "hacked" to find out the variables and code used to build these games, FIFA has code during games that will effect how the game plays, most of it is momentum code. Pro Evo has code base on runs of games or wins. I'm convinced we've all had a streak of winning in ML, beating teams with ease and then you'll play one game, where the CPU goalie will be superhuman and there will be a lack of control over your own players. It contains code where the game will see it as "you shouldn't have done that" You shouldn't have won that last game" therefore we will screw you in the next.
These are odd occasions though, whereas FIFA runs as the game runs, meaning scripting is almost in every single game played.
Shove your licenses up your arse! It has NEVER made up for the gameplay, i've always stood by that. So while FIFA had a good couple of years at PES's demise in 2008 and 2009, NOT because FIFA drastically improved, BUT more so Pro Evo was so poor!
......and now Pro Evo has took over again in many aspects.....although the mainstream will never say that now, they say what they get paid to say!
People must not forget, FIFA had 2 years over Pro Evo. Fair enough.
But Pro Evo had 10 or so years over it, late PS1 years all the way through the PS2.
FIFA was nothing.
Totally agree about this actually, especially PES ruling the ps1 and 2 systems fifa sucked royal balls then, ive recently gone back to evo and i am addicted, only problem for me is the difficultly level, they are to steep, there is never 1 in between, like regular soon becomes to easy and pro is to hard when u face strong opposition and takes a lot of fun out but overall the game is better than fifa once more! LOVE being able to win the CL with chelsea, another thing pes always has had is that when you win trophies the celebrations are bloody awesome! on ffia they are like 2 seconds sitting with the trophy then back to menu screen.
sgmullins
11-07-2012, 20:16
For me pes 2012 plays a superb game of soccer most of the time. If i get frustrated at the game because it's not doing something i want it to, then i put the blame down to myself.
Maybe i'm a little tired or i'm not fully concentrating on what i'm doing. Pes 2012 is supremly addictive and has been for the last couple of years.
I think now more than ever you have to keep 100% concentration for the full 90 mins of each game or you will lose the match. Every goal you score is different and that is brilliant . I have played fifa 12 too and for me its shocking , every goal is pretty similar , there mostly just tapins and it's like your players are running on an ice rink.
Yes pes 2012 has problems but they are certainly not game breakers far from it. Let's also face it that there are ALWAYS going to be people who are not happy about how pes performs, goodness me if it was 100% perfect in every way there would still be the moaners.
I'm just thankful that we do have pes, i'm also thankful that we have fifa too (JUST TO SEE IT GOING BACKWARDS FROM FIFA 09).
SteEagles27
20-07-2012, 03:19
lol@ ppl in here on about games being released in unfinished condition then patching it with DLC.
we live in a different world now. the internet has changed everything. they do that becuase they can.
if online gaming would of been as big on ps2s and we know it today, we would of been going thru the same thing back then aswell
lol@ ppl in here on about games being released in unfinished condition then patching it with DLC.
we live in a different world now. the internet has changed everything. they do that becuase they can.
if online gaming would of been as big on ps2s and we know it today, we would of been going thru the same thing back then aswell
Are you as dump as you sound??
They do it not because they can, but because of people like you who are willing to pay their hard earned money for crappy, unfinished games, which are full of bugs, which are not tested well enough before release!! Why they should put effort in what they do if there are many as dumb as you who will buy that crap anyway!?!
^But the argument in itself is DUMP, because the ones that are crying about modern games sucking are the ones who aren't looking for good games. Yes, football games failed and so have some racing simulators, but it's not the end of the world because there are other superb quality games out there that offer some of the best experiences ever.
Yes the whole patch after release thing is annoying, I very much agree on that, but hey, back on the ps2, if a game had glitches, it stayed like that forever. At least now, after a few months, many games would be patched and many annoying bugs would be gone. So it's a loose some, win some situation.
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