View Full Version : PES 2013 - First game play trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucS3Dr00Dhc
Promising, have a feeling that John Terry dedicated dive will be laughed at, but generally very good.
Cheers, John Terry thing made me lol. It's promising, but we get this kind of stuff every year... Will wait until a demo to judge this fully
IronCity
06-06-2012, 18:34
People won't be laughing if they see the dive 10 times per match
I'm annoyed at how they label Ribery's spin unique and only show him doing it. McGeady invented the spin so it should show him doing it. It'll be a crime if KONAMI let Ribery do the spin and not let 'McGeady'. That was the only thing frustrating me and that Terry tornedo spin was great and hopefully other defenders will have similar moves.
the terry dive made me laugh :D
I'm annoyed at how they label Ribery's spin unique and only show him doing it. McGeady invented the spin so it should show him doing it. It'll be a crime if KONAMI let Ribery do the spin and not let 'McGeady'. That was the only thing frustrating me and that Terry tornedo spin was great and hopefully other defenders will have similar moves.
Besided who invented it..... That annimation looks sick really. One of the best in pes so far. Its spot on
People won't be laughing if they see the dive 10 times per match
Knowing Konami they probably will do that. It would be brilliant if you only see it in important games. Where did he do it originally? I remember the dive but not where it's from
Knowing Konami they probably will do that. It would be brilliant if you only see it in important games. Where did he do it originally? I remember the dive but not where it's from
Vs Slovenia in World Cup 2010. I hope it's not exploited.
The trailer was nice. It was great to see Konami ramping up the presentation. I do hope that that's the true gamespeed because that looks spot on.
Player ID looks great really. That's more individuality for sure. But I do hope that good defenders who don't have player ID would be able to compensate for the attacker's player ID and can actually defend against them. Defending is always my worry in both pes and fifa.
Das:Fohlen
06-06-2012, 19:49
good looking trailer, hopefully they give us that pro evo feeling from PS2 back
MozzyEng
06-06-2012, 20:22
Looking promising so far, But its early days yet. John terry looks like he's diving on some fuckers bird!. Keepers are looking better, Just hear the cries of "The keepers are to good" now lol. The demo will be the proper judgement for me. I just hope that you can disable replays in 13!
Still looks shit. Noticed one thing that's been a problem for years - players running onto passes in pre-defined path. Looks like they haven't fixed that problem.
Still looks shit.
100% agree with you, pes... im loosing my patience
Well the hell have they added that John Terry dive as a "signature move"? He's only done it once hasn't he?
Still looks shit. Noticed one thing that's been a problem for years - players running onto passes in pre-defined path. Looks like they haven't fixed that problem.
Clarify as if you're talking about players that seem to be fixed in running towards a through ball, its been fixed. Show me a bit in the trailer where it happens
Well the hell have they added that John Terry dive as a "signature move"? He's only done it once hasn't he?
yes only once in the 2010 world cup
Well the hell have they added that John Terry dive as a "signature move"? He's only done it once hasn't he?
Because the guys at WENB told KONAMI to add it as it is a funny moment or a type of cliche. Overall, I'm not against KONAMI adding it and most people think the same. Also, he won't do it every match, probably one in 5 or 10 matches
Because the guys at WENB told KONAMI to add it as it is a funny moment or a type of cliche. Overall, I'm not against KONAMI adding it and most people think the same. Also, he won't do it every match, probably one in 5 or 10 matches
I think its a smart move from konami. Cause it shows what player id is. Might be pointles. But it shows they can at any move done irl. And its cool its posseble.
Theres a new video at 6pm uk time. Probebly the video you saw on the screen behide the interview video
IronCity
07-06-2012, 16:40
Because the guys at WENB told KONAMI to add it as it is a funny moment or a type of cliche. Overall, I'm not against KONAMI adding it and most people think the same. Also, he won't do it every match, probably one in 5 or 10 matches
I'm telling you - wait till you see it 5-10 times per match.
I'm telling you - wait till you see it 5-10 times per match.
I can imagine myself shooting and everytime I put my finger on the shoot button, Terry's dive will activate regardless where he is on the pitch, even on the bench
Also Sickdl, cannot wait for the next trailer - konami have gone trailer galore!
Still looks shit. Noticed one thing that's been a problem for years - players running onto passes in pre-defined path. Looks like they haven't fixed that problem.
I thought adam at WENB said that was fixed, i hope he was telling the truth. That shit pisses me off
I can imagine myself shooting and everytime I put my finger on the shoot button, Terry's dive will activate regardless where he is on the pitch, even on the bench
Also Sickdl, cannot wait for the next trailer - konami have gone trailer galore!
Oh yes its the konami trailer fest. Maybe we get an early demo this year to. Maybe juli. Would be really cool.
I'm telling you - wait till you see it 5-10 times per match.
With konami that is always posseble. But i dont think the succes rate is that high. And i wonder if the cpu does it on ramdom for you or that you can trigger it yourself
With konami that is always posseble. But i dont think the succes rate is that high. And i wonder if the cpu does it on ramdom for you or that you can trigger it yourself
It should only be in big games or in major tournaments when they're up against it. It would be pointless in a game that he's winning 3-0 and the opponents take a shot...
It has to be contextual in that sense.
A demo in july would be awesome. We could really give feeback on it and there's no excuses for a lot of it to be implemented
I thought adam at WENB said that was fixed, i hope he was telling the truth. That shit pisses me off
Ali was just jumping into conclusions as it has been removed and Adam said it himself and also that 'not once I had to use supercancel'
It should only be in big games or in major tournaments when they're up against it. It would be pointless in a game that he's winning 3-0 and the opponents take a shot...
It has to be contextual in that sense.
A demo in july would be awesome. We could really give feeback on it and there's no excuses for a lot of it to be implemented
Yes just a crucial moments in crucial matches.
Woukd be really stupid else. Youre leading 5-0 and hes doing his dive.
Quarter of a hour left guys.
Adam said 'prepare to be amazed'
Found this on youtube so credit to the guy that made it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOukOjJUKk4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Craney91
07-06-2012, 18:17
You just know that Terry dive will happen 5 to 10 times a game if its left up to the A.I. and poor controls. If you have to press a button to block a shot or dive like that then maybe OK. But if its random and automatic, this is Konami remember, this animation will be more repetitive than the cut back goals on old gen Pro Evo.
You want an example of this? PES 2011!.....the constant scissor kick/flying volley when the ball is at head height every time.
Besides, how can that Terry dive be classed as Player ID? It's not really on or off ball movement of the player is it?.....and we've only ever seen him do it ONCE in real life, that fish dive thing.
I mean shouldn't Terrys ID on the game mean him missing random games in master league, to hang out the back of his teamates missus?
What a model professional that man is, a true role model for the youngsters of today. :D
But if it is left to us, players online will be doing it more to 5and 10 times a game so it better if it is left to the CPU to decide when to do it depending on how frequently it happens.
They included the Terry thing because to show KONAMI are dedicated and focus on the simplest issues. I wouldn't give them slack for implementing it as it can add to the fun element in PES.
Also Terry sleeping with Eva or teammates wives isn't a gameplay thing so the Terry fish dive should count as ID since defenders should also have a signature move
[OFFICIAL] PES 2013 PlayerID ProActive AI Gameplay Video 01 [E3 2012]
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[OFFICIAL] PES 2013 PES FullControl Gameplay Video 02 [E3 2012]
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NEW GAMEPLAY TRAILER:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaR0M9rS-yQ&list=PLECE6437DF3AF2430&index=1&feature=plpp_video
KSI being angry at pes...
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He's a frikkin FIFA fan being payed by EA to hate on KONAMI. Read the comments, he clearly hates PES and acts like FIFA makes such professional trailers with Messi doing overhead kicks
Bammers05
07-06-2012, 19:06
He's a frikkin FIFA fan being payed by EA to hate on KONAMI. Read the comments, he clearly hates PES and acts like FIFA makes such professional trailers with Messi doing overhead kicks
Three points:
1) Paid, not payed
2) He's not being paid a penny by EA and has no ties with them whatsoever. He makes these videos for fun.
3) He did another video about the FIFA13 trailer where he was pretty critical.
Although I do think he's, at times, a little harsh on Konami, there's no need to get so butthurt about it.
Three points:
1) Paid, not payed
2) He's not being paid a penny by EA and has no ties with them whatsoever. He makes these videos for fun.
3) He did another video about the FIFA13 trailer where he was pretty critical.
Although I do think he's, at times, a little harsh on Konami, there's no need to get so butthurt about it.
He was more biased to PES than FIFA and actually took a bit of his time on the FIFA trailer to speak about some of the features wheras in PES, all he did was decry the trailer. And then he says FIFA is better eventhough he's never played PES and he just wants his fans to hate PES. Look in the comments and every FIFA fan boys are saying
FIFA-Grown men
PES-Children.
I used to watch his vids but now he's pathetic because of the influence he has to other people that copy him and start to diss PES.
P.S. Please don't say I spelt whereas wrong
Btw, your next to take your turn in the draft for Euro 2012
He was more biased to PES than FIFA and actually took a bit of his time on the FIFA trailer to speak about some of the features wheras in PES, all he did was decry the trailer. And then he says FIFA is better eventhough he's never played PES and he just wants his fans to hate PES. Look in the comments and every FIFA fan boys are saying
FIFA-Grown men
PES-Children.
I used to watch his vids but now he's pathetic because of the influence he has to other people that copy him and start to diss PES.
P.S. Please don't say I spelt whereas wrong
Btw, your next to take your turn in the draft for Euro 2012
Quit moaning, abu. People diss PES because it's gone shit.
Quit moaning, abu. People diss PES because it's gone shit.
But what about FIFA? Do you think that is a good game. PES might be crap but that doesn't mean FIFA is any better.
Are you one of those people that go and comment
PES=Crap game for beginners
FIFA=Real game for pros
I might have overreacted with KSI's video as I do understand that he's a comedian to be taken lighly but FIFA fanboys just irriate me with what they write.
And how come Bam hasn't made his bronze picks yet?
But what about FIFA? Do you think that is a good game. PES might be crap but that doesn't mean FIFA is any better.
Are you one of those people that go and comment
PES=Crap game for beginners
FIFA=Real game for pros
I might have overreacted with KSI's video as I do understand that he's a comedian to be taken lighly but FIFA fanboys just irriate me with what they write.
And how come Bam hasn't made his bronze picks yet?
I haven't owned a Fifa game since 2002. I was a PES fan until PES 2012.
But if you did, you'll see the major faults behind the gloss. You can easily realisze this by playing the demos. PES might not be great, but when you play FIFA the same amount of irritation reaches an equilibrium as both are equally bad in different ways. Hopefully the years to come will be better for footbal games in general
But if you did, you'll see the major faults behind the gloss. You can easily realisze this by playing the demos. PES might not be great, but when you play FIFA the same amount of irritation reaches an equilibrium as both are equally bad in different ways. Hopefully the years to come will be better for footbal games in general
Right..... that's wonderful, but all I said was "People diss PES because it's gone shit". No mention of Fifa whatsoever.
Craney91
07-06-2012, 20:35
I don't want to go to to much into it, because I believe total ignorance is the perfect tonic for something you disagree with for the right reasons. The best advice I can give to anybody is to not give IT the time of day, your view or your comments.
The only reason why its successful, is because the demographic matches up with the same sales demographic of FIFA and it clicks into place. EA tend to aim games at demographics, which would explain why the UFC has now shaken the beasts hand.
IT is not the only puppet on youtube or the internet for that matter stirring pots on behalf of EA. There is a handful, especially on youtube who do it, I find it very childish, but of course, people who fall for the gloss will not have a bad word to say about it all.
All I can say is, choose to believe me or not, I really don't care.
IT used to be present on the official FIFA forums, many moons ago, a troll of the highest order on the forums, I was there, I witnessed it. Then a select few started, as if magically, sucking up to all of EA and a select few were pushed and encouraged to widen the bucket. The same few, who were all once cussing EA left right and centre.....until the devs started throwing invites around to a select few in the community to go over to canada, there opinions soon changed and so did the strategy.
It would also explain the sort of money they are making on youtube, believe me, they are major pawns in EA's agenda, especially for the teens/dub step market. They can easily be got at, and this is how EA rake the money in.
You see, people know the games have problems, yet still buy them and this is exactly what they want.
The ideal solution for people with there heads screwed on would be to have no association with the business or its affiliates and spend no money on the products, until the products are worthy. Actions do indeed speak louder than words, and its the only way EA will listen.
But like I said, there is a select few literally side by side with EA, and the only people who will deny it, are those blind and caught in the spiders web.
I could provide all the names that I know of, but if you head over to the forums (I stay clear of it now) you will soon see there are plenty of shills and plants littered over the forum. I call them firemen, and these are also part of EA's structure.
Some of you will obviously ignore this and call me crazy, but I was on there well before Rutter and his team were making the game, and slowly but surely it all went down hill. I spotted it, called it and walked away, which coincidentally was closely followed by the timed "youtube boom" that we see today.
There are at least 5 on there forums, being plants and 10 or so on youtube.
All eating of the same table. You better believe it. ;)
Take this information or leave it. All i've done is opened the door, walk through it if you want.
(sorry for extended post)
NEW GAMEPLAY TRAILER:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaR0M9rS-yQ&list=PLECE6437DF3AF2430&index=1&feature=plpp_video
If dribbling and first touches are easy to do but hard to pull off, i will be impressed
Cant really say about shooting until i try it.
Collision at 4:39 looked suspect
StringerBell
08-06-2012, 01:41
Was this video in English? I couldn't understand a word :erm:
But if you did, you'll see the major faults behind the gloss. You can easily realisze this by playing the demos. PES might not be great, but when you play FIFA the same amount of irritation reaches an equilibrium as both are equally bad in different ways. Hopefully the years to come will be better for footbal games in general
This is something I agree with. I just hate seeing Fifa on a pedestal because it appeals to a wider audience and then see it claim a title (the best representation of football) that it doesn't deserve. Fact is both pes and fifa need to pull of something good because both are in dire need of improvement.
As for the trailers. Well they look nice and all and I really like that first touch thing and "manual" shooting because the way the player is shooting couldn't be done in pes 12 by any means. Those hard low shots were beautiful. Then the first touch. A plague it was before and I hope to see something as good as it looks on the trailer. BTW it was great that Konami stepped it up in terms of trailer representation.
But the thing that always worries me, THE DEFENCE. Until that is sorted, pes 13 cannot be a balanced game. But if it is sorted, it might actually be a really playable game this time. But to judge, I am gonna wait for the demo because that is a true representation of what to expect.
Well, we'll get the demo in early July I heard. Defending worries me and atlast there is an actual standing tackle button which you press two times to stick youe leg out depending on the position you are with the player in possession.
This is the last game on the engine and probably next gen and so far they haven't make a balanced game from 08 so hopefully this year, the last chance, they will kill the generation off and produce a good game finally. If they don't I'm going to have nothing to play in the next couple of years as I wouldn't be able to afford a PS4 if it comes out.
Also, they're doing that thing when they release a demo, get feedback, release anoher one etc.
Its not clear though if they'll be releasing two or three demos in the coming months so we'll have to wait and see
Well, we'll get the demo in early July I heard. Defending worries me and atlast there is an actual standing tackle button which you press two times to stick youe leg out depending on the position you are with the player in possession.
This is the last game on the engine and probably next gen and so far they haven't make a balanced game from 08 so hopefully this year, the last chance, they will kill the generation off and produce a good game finally. If they don't I'm going to have nothing to play in the next couple of years as I wouldn't be able to afford a PS4 if it comes out.
Also, they're doing that thing when they release a demo, get feedback, release anoher one etc.
Its not clear though if they'll be releasing two or three demos in the coming months so we'll have to wait and see
Did you actually get booked over comments you made on the video by KSI? :shocking:
I have been cursing the devs on PES for so long and actually praising Fifa for a while now but you have not been on any side of the fence.
You have always remained somewhat neutral saying both good and bad things about both games. I respect that, so i don't think you deserved that booking.
I follow and subbed KSI on youtube only for one reason....the dude is hilarious period. Coon Army ....Hahhaaaaaa. He basically does his vids to attract views thru comedy. No one should take his comments seriously. He has fail vids on Fifa too that are really funny too.
Still too early for us to get our panties in a bunch over PES13. A lot of speculations but nothing concrete to really argue about. Fifa looks the same also ...no visible improvements over last years edition.
Keep ur head up Abu, and don't be like Shaun7....its not a crime to like one video game over another.
Although you do not part take in it....a lot of other fans like Shaun7 hate to see others praise EA's efforts. As one poster said .....we are only complaining that PES has done nothing over the past years to put the game on the high level where it once was. Basically that statement has nothing to do with Fifa. But since Fifa is its only direct competition...them comparisons, opinions and preferences will differ. That should not cause us to fight and cuss other out.
peace
Keep ur head up Abu, and don't be like Shaun7....its not a crime to like one video game over another.
Although you do not part take in it....a lot of other fans like Shaun7 hate to see others praise EA's efforts.
What do you mean? I always say the truth and if fifa is the better game I would say it. But at this point in time, neither pes nor fifa deserve praise.
Oh and I hate EA praise because they simply do not deserve it and the fact that some people place fifa on a pedestal makes me sick.
To be honest, when I get frustrated with PES, I turn and say FIFA is better as it isn't frustrating at first but when you play it for longer, you realize how boring it is and frustrating so you go back to PES, then FIFA. They're as frustrating as each other.
Also, I got booked by double posting :hmm:
I can praise EA for producing a better game than FIFA in the past few years but currently, I'm fed up with both
What do you mean? I always say the truth and if fifa is the better game I would say it. But at this point in time, neither pes nor fifa deserve praise.
Oh and I hate EA praise because they simply do not deserve it and the fact that some people place fifa on a pedestal makes me sick.
:realmad: what do you mean by "some people"? Call names ....are you suggesting that the mods here love fifa too?
To be honest, when I get frustrated with PES, I turn and say FIFA is better as it isn't frustrating at first but when you play it for longer, you realize how boring it is and frustrating so you go back to PES, then FIFA. They're as frustrating as each other.
Also, I got booked by double posting :hmm:
I can praise EA for producing a better game than FIFA in the past few years but currently, I'm fed up with both
:D ...you cannot make up your mind which is better or worst.
Its natural to skip between games, i have seen a few here who have stated they have switched back to PES ...and loving it.
At the end of the day we are the ones who get shafted. Neither EA or Konami gives a crap about us. All they really care about (cannot blame them really) is their bottom line or profit margins.
At one time I actually believed that the Fish liked creating the games he did back in the PS2 days. Now, I am extremely pessimistic over the direction of each game. EA knows they have the millions hooked like brainless zombies ..so no matter what at this point, they will make a profit.
Konami on the other hand seems to have accepted their place as second best. They do not appear to have the technology or skill set to create the game we all have in our heads as fans of their once decorated title.
So why argue against each other? Of whom does this bickering benefit?
Are we really mad at each other about both games poor design?
maybe our angers are being channeled in the wrong direction.
Well with that said.......I am mad at Shaun7 because he jumped ship without notifying the Fifa team leader ..ME.
That was a biach arse move Shaun ....WTF ..why ...why did you do it Shaun? Are you being paid to hate Fifa?
If you apologize, but only if.....we will consider taking you back bro....
:D
peace
:realmad: what do you mean by "some people"? Call names ....are you suggesting that the mods here love fifa too?
I know for a fact that I didn't include you in my list because you only come here to piss people off. In real life, you do not praise Fifa.
Well with that said.......I am mad at Shaun7 because he jumped ship without notifying the Fifa team leader ..ME.
Yeah, yeah ;)
That was a biach arse move Shaun ....WTF ..why ...why did you do it Shaun? Are you being paid to hate Fifa?
No. If it would be so, I would have been praising Pes and hating on Fifa, when in reality, I posted against both games. So no pay money for me. :(
If you apologize, but only if.....we will consider taking you back bro....
Back to where? To fifa? At this point in time, NO. Maybe if Fifa actually improves and overhauls the gameplay, then I will happily jump ship, but until that happens, I am going to stay in the middle hoping that someday a good football game will be made.
Craney91
10-06-2012, 14:09
I'm probably as stubborn as it gets to game settings and slider use. I like to play on the hardest difficulty and refuse to touch sliders. I ain't gonna lie or be arrogant, but I am pretty good when it comes to football games. Not many can or have touched me, when I used to play online couple of years ago. For 10 or so years, in the PS2 years I was glued to Pro Evo, always used to play on Top Player (or 6 stars if available) and 99% of the time, I'd batter the CPU. PES 2008, (missed out 2009), 2010, 2011 were all played on Top Player as usual, no problem whatsoever. But this year, it is pretty much impossible for me to play either football game on the higher difficulties.
It's just so cheaty and rubberbanded, no game is ever 50/50, and the CPU always seem to get some sort of stat boost. Your A.I. is terrible and it seems like everything drops 5% where the CPU gains an advantage over that. I think this says it all about football games today, a player like me who would control games on hardest difficultys, is now being put of the games.
I mean, FIFA, from FIFA 08 to 10, I was a top 500 player in the UK online. SO i'm no average player, but now that I steer away from online, and play offline, both games today are so rigged on higher difficulties, its untrue.
Hundreds of games of FIFA 12 on World Class, and I downright refused to touch sliders, because I see it as a form of cheating and creating a different game to online modes. But yesterday, I put my hands up and admitted just how bad the game is and thought f*ck it, the CPU is so blatantly fixed, I'm gonna tone down its sliders, to create an even game. I didn't change my sliders at all, but I adjusted the CPU's accordingly, not massive amounts, but evening the game out, trying to take there advantages in a game away on the higher difficulties. So i wouldn't be knocking all there sliders right down to 0, but knocking them down by 1 or 2, depending on what is needed.
and guess what?
The game STILL tries its very best to screw you over!
It plays better than it did, but the problems still exist, this confirms to me what I already knew previously, it is the code, it is the game.
They just don't make em like they used to anymore. AT ALL.
^Exactly. When the problem is fundamental, no patches, fixes or sliders can fix it because to fix it, you have to build a new engine and we all know that it won't happen any time soon.
I like some of the new dribble animations but I wonder how overpowering these moves may become. On PES2011 the linked feints became the domain of one trick ponies online and with Arshavin in particular it was a bitch to defend against.
On the plus side, as much as I loathed PES2012 I suspect I may keep hold of PES2013 longer than 24 hours. They need to find the balance in the AI difficulty as well without dumbing down user controlled response. And my pet hate, CPU controlled players ignoring form arrows and stats.
If they can find the right incremental shift between Normal, Pro and Top player that will certainly be a great starting point. The difference between Normal and Pro was absurd in my opinion on PES2012. I always play on Top Player but that was insane, especially as a smaller club on ML but I gave up as the AI decided my defenders were opposed to keeping their shape without the ball.
Craney91
10-06-2012, 15:02
The thing is, lots of people play on the higher difficulties on the 2012 football games, and all say the same thing, no problem on previous installments, but these are an absoloute joke, to the point where, you might aswell put your controller down, and let it do it by itself. It's out of your hands anyway, even button input and control is effected over your own players, lack of being able to switch players, even on manual cursor switching, poorer shots, bad passes, players not in your control getting sucked into magnetic forcefields for the CPU to exploit and cheese.
You'll then get the smart arses "learn to play the game n00b!" "learn to defend n00b"
Thing is, I've played both games extensively to know the game inside out. For instance it takes a while to learn the defending system on Pro Evo, once you get its, you should theoretically be fine, but that isn't the case. You can RT and A all you want to time tackles, you can wait and wait and wait, time it perfectly and the CPU will still waltz past you as soon as you put a foot in.
Like FIFA, the game reacts INSTANTLY to user button input, that is how the games have been coded today, that is scripted. This is made even harder when you start to get button delay/button lag on top of that. Obviously the excuse is, "We tried to make the CPU more human-like"......The CPU should react to problems as the situation unfolds, not instantly to your button presses, direction presses. Not even a human player online can see your button presses and act instantly.
I've even had "scripty" penalties go my way on FIFA, and I just know the keeper will save it as soon as soon as I've made the input.
Both games aren't random enough, Pro Evo at least USED to be the majority of the time, NOT NO MORE!
muzza798
11-06-2012, 16:01
I duno about pes anymore. Its just so hard to accept the clunky roboticness of every next gen version. fifa may have its problems but my good it feels good when players like neymar start tearing teams up. fifa moves so well and that alone could beat pes. this is the first year i will not bw buying pes outright.
pes 12 was shockingly unrealistic imo. player movement was poor and player models of anyone who isnt a massive player were fucking shit. the ball definitely is elasticated to a players foot. so stupid.
these days i barely play games anymore and when u have fifa online its just easy to play. masterleague is redundent now. it was good on ps2 when u cld kock out a season in a day and then u cld sign players and ur players wld develop. now however it takes like a month to get throigh a season so player development means fuck all cos by the 3rd season the next game wld have come out and it takes like 10 seasons to see a real difference.
i think it will be alright but last year i felt it was incredibly arcadey and not natural or realistic when knocking it around. now fifa have tonned down overpowering defending the games are well thought out and you can play it realistically and keeping possession is a joy and important.
Craney91
11-06-2012, 17:58
All developers talk a good game and sell the games like hotcakes. The fact of the matter is, the games are speaking a totally different language to the sales pitches they are putting out. So for me, they can say what they want, the proof is in the pudding. Both Konami and EA Sports have been saying these things for years before they release.
"This "new" "revolutionary" game does this, this, this and this, we've fixed this, we've fixed that, here are the fancy names for it".....so how come, for the last 5 years at least, I've been getting a different vibe and seeing nothing but problems with every yearly release? Why am I not enjoying the football game like I used to on PES6? A game I would STILL quite happily play now, I played it for hours and hours years ago, a football game that good, you didn't need to buy another Pro Evo for a couple of years!
How about shutting up, stop trying to make the quick money, knock the crooked house down and rebuild and REDEVELOP your game, making sure the game is up to scratch and the best it possibly can be BEFORE you release it?
We all know its not gonna happen, the developers don't care anymore. So next years football games will be more of the same, give it a couple of weeks if that, and you'll notice all the gamebreaking problems again, same as this year, same as the year before, and the year before that.
Until they start booking there ideas up and making games worthy for release, they will never change.
Such a shame to see computer games today.
They should abandon the current engine and have a new start with a new team. I'm not impressed, the animations still look crap and the whole ball glued to foot physics are getting old IMO.
ive heard that pes 2013 will be the last game with the uefa CL licenced...
They should abandon the current engine and have a new start with a new team. I'm not impressed, the animations still look crap and the whole ball glued to foot physics are getting old IMO.
A. There will be a new engine for PES 2014 intime for the next-gen consoles
B. Some animations look great such as Ronaldo's dribbling style or Kaka's etc. So you cannot say on the whole animations still look crap
C. The ball movs for freely now from the trailers and has a better bounce to it so I can't see what you're seeing
ive heard that pes 2013 will be the last game with the uefa CL licenced...
Where do you hear all this from? :bs:
Where do you hear all this from? :bs:
wiki :piquelaugh:
MozzyEng
17-06-2012, 17:56
Looking forward to the demos. Is it reet there's no graphical improvement?. Fucking bit of a joke in this day and age if not
Looking forward to the demos. Is it reet there's no graphical improvement?. Fucking bit of a joke in this day and age if not
They say they'll focus on the graphics and contrast level near to the end of September so we won't be blown away but you may be left dissapointed as KONAMI obviously won't with the effort they put in to the presentation and graphics
MozzyEng
17-06-2012, 20:15
[QUOTE=abu97;1936784]They say they'll focus on the graphics and contrast level near to the end of September so we won't be blown away but you may be left dissapointed as KONAMI obviously won't with the effort they put in to the presentation and graphics[/QUOTE
Well should be a touch better then (Hoping). Im sure your a secret konami employee lol. You seem to know a lot
;)
Not long to wait for the first demo then i see.
You're expecting better graphics from a piece of equipment with a hardware from 2006-2007? Not to be rude, but that doesn't sound right now does it. Pes has reached it's graphical limitation. You add more and suddenly the game becomes heavy loaded, meaning that the console won't be able to keep up with the loading. So yeah, it's better of they optimize the game to run smoother rather than increasing the graphics that may end up having loading issues at the need of it. Now when the new consoles come out, then we can talk for real ;)
You're expecting better graphics from a piece of equipment with a hardware from 2006-2007? Not to be rude, but that doesn't sound right now does it. Pes has reached it's graphical limitation. You add more and suddenly the game becomes heavy loaded, meaning that the console won't be able to keep up with the loading. So yeah, it's better of they optimize the game to run smoother rather than increasing the graphics that may end up having loading issues at the need of it. Now when the new consoles come out, then we can talk for real ;)
But they can still increase contrast levels to make the game better graphically and visually. For example the blur affect is on PES 2012 and that can easily be removed to make the game better. And the contrast levels need to brighten up for day matches and look better for night matches. This may not be a huge improvement graphically but it'll make the game look better definitely and more sharper.
That can be done yes, because that's tweaking not adding. :)
MozzyEng
18-06-2012, 21:42
I know what your saying shaun about old hardware, And i know nothing about graphics etc. But if you look at call of duty, It always improves a lot every year looks wise. I know its a totally different game!. Mind you there's only so much you can do with grass!
I'm probably as stubborn as it gets to game settings and slider use. I like to play on the hardest difficulty and refuse to touch sliders. I ain't gonna lie or be arrogant, but I am pretty good when it comes to football games. Not many can or have touched me, when I used to play online couple of years ago. For 10 or so years, in the PS2 years I was glued to Pro Evo, always used to play on Top Player (or 6 stars if available) and 99% of the time, I'd batter the CPU. PES 2008, (missed out 2009), 2010, 2011 were all played on Top Player as usual, no problem whatsoever. But this year, it is pretty much impossible for me to play either football game on the higher difficulties.
It's just so cheaty and rubberbanded, no game is ever 50/50, and the CPU always seem to get some sort of stat boost. Your A.I. is terrible and it seems like everything drops 5% where the CPU gains an advantage over that. I think this says it all about football games today, a player like me who would control games on hardest difficultys, is now being put of the games.
I mean, FIFA, from FIFA 08 to 10, I was a top 500 player in the UK online. SO i'm no average player, but now that I steer away from online, and play offline, both games today are so rigged on higher difficulties, its untrue.
Hundreds of games of FIFA 12 on World Class, and I downright refused to touch sliders, because I see it as a form of cheating and creating a different game to online modes. But yesterday, I put my hands up and admitted just how bad the game is and thought f*ck it, the CPU is so blatantly fixed, I'm gonna tone down its sliders, to create an even game. I didn't change my sliders at all, but I adjusted the CPU's accordingly, not massive amounts, but evening the game out, trying to take there advantages in a game away on the higher difficulties. So i wouldn't be knocking all there sliders right down to 0, but knocking them down by 1 or 2, depending on what is needed.
and guess what?
The game STILL tries its very best to screw you over!
It plays better than it did, but the problems still exist, this confirms to me what I already knew previously, it is the code, it is the game.
They just don't make em like they used to anymore. AT ALL.
Heres a guy who knows whats up.
Heres a guy who knows whats up.
Heres a guy that doesnt
Craney91
21-06-2012, 15:45
We get it abu, you love love love your latest games, the fancy graphics and gimmicks. Your a fanboy, you love spunking your money down the drain, you love bending over and pulling your trousers down for developers.
But if youve got any common sense, you would not criticize those that know there stuff and say it. If your happy with todays junk then fine, but I and many others are far from happy, and want change.
It's people like you that will kill games, although you'll never be wise enough to admit it, because your sucked in by it all already, with seemingly no way of going back.
Wake up and smell the coffee. Your a slave neo!
We get it abu, you love love love your latest games, the fancy graphics and gimmicks. Your a fanboy, you love spunking your money down the drain, you love bending over and pulling your trousers down for developers.
But if youve got any common sense, you would not criticize those that know there stuff and say it. If your happy with todays junk then fine, but I and many others are far from happy, and want change.
It's people like you that will kill games, although you'll never be wise enough to admit it, because your sucked in by it all already, with seemingly no way of going back.
Wake up and smell the coffee. Your a slave neo!
Chill out, I was just taking the mick.
I'm not a fanboy, and I know PES and FIFA have failed to meet the expectations requred for todays generation. I'm frustrated with PES at times and the same goes with FIFA, even though FIFA makes me frustrated more because of their lack of realism which they cover with their gloss. And PES is just a game that improves their gameplay in some directions but fall back in other areas.
Craney91
21-06-2012, 16:25
FIFA 12 is worse for those problems mentioned, if people think they are getting f*cked over by PES 2012, then they should never even think of getting FIFA 12. It's 10x worse, and the problems are intensified. I don't think I've ever played a game more scripted, handicapped and rubber banded on higher difficulties than the steamy load of poo, that is, FIFA 12.
FIFA 12 is worse for those problems mentioned, if people think they are getting f*cked over by PES 2012, then they should never even think of getting FIFA 12. It's 10x worse, and the problems are intensified. I don't think I've ever played a game more scripted, handicapped and rubber banded on higher difficulties than the steamy load of poo, that is, FIFA 12.
One more noob getting his arse kicked by Fifa :lol:
If my 12 year old nephew can play the game so well ....anyone should :unsure:.
Another point is that not everyone is good at video games ...and you might be one of them.
If you find that you get angry and curse and throw stuff when you play video games :realmad:(Fifa) ....maybe its not for you.
Don't blame the game... player .....blame the player. :cool:
There are millions of us who are still playing the best soccer game ever...Fifa.. without any problems that causes the veins to stand in our foreheads..
or ...Practice bro ...just practice. Fifa isn't hard at all.
peace
Craney91
22-06-2012, 15:16
We have a troll on the end of this guys! And its a big one! A REAL big one! It was only caught on a maggot to! I can't believe it!
In all honesty, I was expecting the usual "learn to play the game n00b" because of the total ignorance of what I actually said about higher difficulties causing the game to play erratic.
Now, toddle of with your 12 year old nephew and go and be a fireman over on the FIFA forums, you'd fit right in that cesspit.
We have a troll on the end of this guys! And its a big one! A REAL big one! It was only caught on a maggot to! I can't believe it!
In all honesty, I was expecting the usual "learn to play the game n00b" because of the total ignorance of what I actually said about higher difficulties causing the game to play erratic.
Now, toddle of with your 12 year old nephew and go and be a fireman over on the FIFA forums, you'd fit right in that cesspit.
Watch this ..
In all honesty, I was expecting the usual "Troll on the end of this guy" because of the total ignorance of what I actually said about him being a noob and cannot adapt to new tactics in nex gen games. :crymore:
Maybe you should just stick to PES 6 bro ...you seem to have a real understanding of that old gameplay. Pes 2012 and Fifa 12 seems to be given you a lot of problems ....
Just quit the damn whining and stick to the old style of PES 6 ..it sure aint hard to run fast and kick hard.
Troll since 2004 bro :D
techboy11
23-06-2012, 08:04
One more noob getting his arse kicked by Fifa :lol:
If my 12 year old nephew can play the game so well ....anyone should :unsure:.
Another point is that not everyone is good at video games ...and you might be one of them.
If you find that you get angry and curse and throw stuff when you play video games :realmad:(Fifa) ....maybe its not for you.
Don't blame the game... player .....blame the player. :cool:
There are millions of us who are still playing the best soccer game ever...Fifa.. without any problems that causes the veins to stand in our foreheads..
or ...Practice bro ...just practice. Fifa isn't hard at all.
peace
OCK, have to say fella, you're the biggest troll on ANY forum board involving ANY discussion, I've ever seen. Viva la FIFA12 mate, and continue having your wet EA dreams lo.
OCK, have to say fella, you're the biggest troll on ANY forum board involving ANY discussion, I've ever seen. Viva la FIFA12 mate, and continue having your wet EA dreams lo.
I agree :D
...wait i dont agree :erm:
WTF is troll anyways? :angry:
I have been a member here since 2004 and have the fewest posts of any of you on this board to date.
But if stating that fifa is a good game makes me a troll ...then that I am bro ...I am a troll. :rolleyes:
You guys are the worst ....complain complain complain, why don't ya'll just give up?
Fuckin whiners I tell ya..
Craney91
23-06-2012, 15:38
Because this "whining" is relevant, because games didn't used to be like this, they didn't have this many problems. They were ready and steady in time for release 5-6 years ago, they kind of had to be!
1. Because online gaming on consoles wasn't as popular
and
2. There was no way of patching/updating a game.
The fact of the matter is, developers are releasing broken games and games that are fragmented every single year. The games are simply not ready to be released and if they are relying on numerous updates and patches after its release, then this tells me it shouldnt have been released in the first place. (This is of course, when the developers can be bothered bringing out updates and patches to TRY and fix the game) ;)
It seems as soon as they release a game, even if it is a shambles, all the focus is immediately on premium DLC, rather than the game it needs to be able to play it on, itself. Then six months after its tenure, all the focus is onto the "next game"..........try and tell me this isn't how it goes.
Because if you do, your lying.
So if your so happy and blind to it all, and genuinely think not being able to control your own players on random occasions (in this circumstance) that happens way to often. Rubberbanding rules a game, Scripting decides what will happen, and for this to work Handicapping must take place. If you think thats all fine and dandy, part of the game, great, no problem what so ever, dare you even say "thats football"..... Then PLEASE continue giving game developers your money and continue bending over for them, every time they start up a glorified gimmicky sales pitch.
It will be your like that will destroy a well made game for good, because you will keep buying the terrible made ones regardless.
Because this "whining" is relevant, because games didn't used to be like this, they didn't have this many problems. They were ready and steady in time for release 5-6 years ago, they kind of had to be!
1. Because online gaming on consoles wasn't as popular
and
2. There was no way of patching/updating a game.
The fact of the matter is, developers are releasing broken games and games that are fragmented every single year. The games are simply not ready to be released and if they are relying on numerous updates and patches after its release, then this tells me it shouldnt have been released in the first place. (This is of course, when the developers can be bothered bringing out updates and patches to TRY and fix the game) ;)
It seems as soon as they release a game, even if it is a shambles, all the focus is immediately on premium DLC, rather than the game it needs to be able to play it on, itself. Then six months after its tenure, all the focus is onto the "next game"..........try and tell me this isn't how it goes.
Because if you do, your lying.
So if your so happy and blind to it all, and genuinely think not being able to control your own players on random occasions (in this circumstance) that happens way to often. Rubberbanding rules a game, Scripting decides what will happen, and for this to work Handicapping must take place. If you think thats all fine and dandy, part of the game, great, no problem what so ever, dare you even say "thats football"..... Then PLEASE continue giving game developers your money and continue bending over for them, every time they start up a glorified gimmicky sales pitch.
It will be your like that will destroy a well made game for good, because you will keep buying the terrible made ones regardless.
Sup Craney ?
I would love to sit here and "press ur buttons" in mischief....but i have read your previous posts and i am one that agrees with you 100%. I am not happy with either game...I am just Ok.
I guess if you really look at the threads on this forum, they all lean in one direction....disappointment.
In my opinion, if you need a tutorial on how to shoot in PES 2012...this means failure. We should be able to do all the basics in the sport..run, pass and shoot. PES has struggled in all departments. Not to mention online.
I will not go into all the problems since it has been documented here many times. My opinion is that as long as the "Fish" is in charge of the development of PES ....there will be no development. The Fish refuses to face the fact that he was only good on the PS2 platform....next gen is kicking his butt. .
Fifa faces similar problems with only incremental updates on each release every year. However, they have at least sorted out the basic run, pass and shoot aspect of the video game. On top of that they have a respectable online system. This does not mean that the game is without faults...it simply means it has less than PES which makes it more playable for some.
EA and Konami have found a winning formula ....release a new game every year with little or no improvements ...achieve a profit with little overhead expenses. A lot of us do not realize that although PES is not making as much sales as EA ....their profit margins are still pretty close since PES also do not have the huge overhead expenses that EA has.
Example (not realistic) in a scenario where EA outsells PES by 3 to 1
this could mean the following..
PES spends $7mil makes $10....40% profit
Fifa spends $25mil makes $35mil.....40% profit
I believe this why the Konami does not gives a fuck anymore ...although they have dropped to number 2 in popularity....their profits remains relatively the same each year. Why invest more?
peace
FIFA actually outsellf PES 2.6 to 1 :smug:
FIFA actually outsellf PES 2.6 to 1 :smug:
Thanks for the info Abu....
As stated my figures were not realistic.
I strongly believe that Konami isn't really looking to be number one again ...just as long as they make a profit or break even. Budgets are being slashed everywhere and PES has already seen its peak.
When they stated that the core engine or platform of PES needed to be changed to create a new free flowing game a few years back, i was excited. They brought the same engine over from PS2 onto the Xbox360 and PS3. Since then they have side step every major problem by adding new menus and glossy looking players. Nothing about the new platform engine anymore.
I remember when PS3 came out and a lot of developers had a hard time coding games for the new system. They stated that the bluray disc offered a huge canvas for expansions but the PS3 core processors and design challenged the way the games were configured or produced in terms of graphical enhancements and transitions.
Today, very few developers have any issues with nex gen...it appears that PES is the only sporting game that suffers this set back with no hope for resolve. I wondered if they lacked the technical skills or maybe the move to a newer platform brought higher development cost. The answer is both and it appears that Konami has refused any budget increase for the PES franchise......
Hence we get stupid additions each year along with a nice video to kick off the start of another poor outing.
peace
Wait for PES 2014 - now that will blow FIFA out of the water seeing what the fox engine can do. I still have faith in PES 2013 as it has potential but the longetivity in PES is rubbish compared to the old days so KONAMI will always find away to mess it out
how do you know that the engine that will be used in pes 2014 is better than the present one???
how do you know that the engine that will be used in pes 2014 is better than the present one???
Because it is next next gen and they've been working on it for more than a year. They've already said that it'll have dynamic weather and dynamic passing etc. New physics, animations 100 percent efficient and PS4 like
Look what it is capable of Thori-
http://images.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=665&q=x+engine&gbv=2&oq=x+engine&aq=f&aqi=g1g-m7g-S2&aql=&gs_l=img.3..0j0i5l7j0i24l2.22. 855.0.990.8.8.0.0.0.0.197.572. 3j3.6.0...0.0.ntbq0Nj5tGY#hl=e n&safe=off&gbv=2&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=fox+engine&oq=fox+engine&aq=f&aqi=g3g-m3g-S4&aql=&gs_l=img.3..0l3j0i5l3j0i24l4.5 266.8507.0.8810.12.7.5.0.0.4.8 27.2400.2-6j6-1.7.0...0.0.yKENb9oAg1E&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf .osb&fp=3e4dd85deac87dd5&biw=1366&bih=665
Abu, it doesn't matter about the graphic rendering, yeah its nice if looks realistic and aesthetically pleasing, but its whether a decent engine can be created compatible with the current gen hardware. I doubt we'll see a new engine until the PS4. Shame.
From what I#ve heard, it'll be scaled down to fit the current-gen consoles and they've already said that the release date for the Xbox 720/PS4 hasn't been announced so they've focused on making it compatible. I can assure it won't be a travesty unlike what happened with PES 2008 as that was rushed.
But plans can change within a matter of minutes so theres no point in saying it now.
MozzyEng
26-06-2012, 19:44
Not sure if ill be buying pes13. Im still playing pes12 on and off, But i think it might be more of the same with tweaks. Mind you i could be completly wrong of course!. Cant wait for next gen pes though that should be pretty amazing, When ever that may be (Xmas 2013 is being rumored for console)
Not sure if ill be buying pes13. Im still playing pes12 on and off, But i think it might be more of the same with tweaks. Mind you i could be completly wrong of course!. Cant wait for next gen pes though that should be pretty amazing, When ever that may be (Xmas 2013 is being rumored for console)
Major tweaks, player individuality is reborn etc. If you enjoyed PES 2012, you will thing PES 2013 will be worth the price (thats what a playtester said)
Not sure if ill be buying pes13. Im still playing pes12 on and off, But i think it might be more of the same with tweaks. Mind you i could be completly wrong of course!. Cant wait for next gen pes though that should be pretty amazing, When ever that may be (Xmas 2013 is being rumored for console)
I have to admit, I have serious reservations about buying PES2013, especially if its going to cost anything over £20. I might rent it for a week and take it from there.
Some good news for ps3 players at least - you can now group copy all those pesky OF files instead of copying each one individually!
Some good news for ps3 players at least - you can now group copy all those pesky OF files instead of copying each one individually!
Praise the lord! At f-u-c-k-i-n-g last.
MozzyEng
26-06-2012, 19:58
I have to admit, I have serious reservations about buying PES2013, especially if its going to cost anything over £20. I might rent it for a week and take it from there.
Yea i usually nip down to blockbusters and rent games im not sure about. Will prob get this on rent on release day. Not that far off the first demo to give us a taste of how things will be. Hope there's the option to disable those fucking replays or ill spew everywhere :thewave:
Demo in less than a months time :excited:
MozzyEng
26-06-2012, 20:03
Demo in less than a months time :excited:
Hopefully will be able to shoot where i want:tongue:
The Demo's are notoriously unreliable though gents. The games are patched to fuck over the course of their tenure.
The Demo's are notoriously unreliable though gents. The games are patched to fuck over the course of their tenure.
True, but demos do give you an insight on what too expect for the final game. They are very similar though so if you enjoyed the demo, theres a high chance of enjoying the final product
True, but demos do give you an insight on what too expect for the final game. They are very similar though so if you enjoyed the demo, theres a high chance of enjoying the final product
When is the demo due?
Abu, it doesn't matter about the graphic rendering, yeah its nice if looks realistic and aesthetically pleasing, but its whether a decent engine can be created compatible with the current gen hardware. I doubt we'll see a new engine until the PS4. Shame.
I totally agree Sminky...it all boils down to scaling. Currently the Fox engine is only a work in progress. Pictures cannot replace actual game play. Also, Microsoft and Sony have both announced that they have no intentions of creating a new console any time soon. We will be doomed if we are waiting for the fox engine on the newer consoles.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/microsoft-says-no-new-xbox-anytime-soon/19128
I hope I am not the only one who realizes that PES is currently running on the PS2 engine and the developers are now just addressing the issue after years of disappointment. Furthermore the new engine isn't anywhere near ready since all they have are screenshots to show us at this point.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-05-30-next-gen-pes-to-use-kojimas-fox-engine
For me ...this means that PES 2013 will still be running on the PS2 engine. Not eager to see that this year either...:crymore:
For me ...this means that PES 2013 will still be running on the PS2 engine. Not eager to see that this year either...:crymore:
With that in mind, it makes little sense playing any iteration bar PES6 on the PS2.
MozzyEng
26-06-2012, 20:22
When is the demo due?
I think its at the end of july
When is the demo due?
Late July. 18th or 25th
With that in mind, it makes little sense playing any iteration bar PES6 on the PS2.
Prexactly Sminky..;)
The best they have done on the next gen are the promo videos that they have used to trick many fans to think that its actual game play...
I have tried explaining that most games do this. Spectacular videos to intro the games...
Remember this anyone..it looked really good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V1w6FIth6E
ilyasmad
27-06-2012, 04:39
It's about time konami made the fox engine. It promises to be multiplatform, dynamic (usable in different types of games and easy to make)and scalable. It is also said that a tweaked fox engine would be used for pes 2014 and onwards; one year of new engine on the ps3/xbox 360.
Some good news for ps3 players at least - you can now group copy all those pesky OF files instead of copying each one individually!
Hallelujah! Transferring all the files over - one by one - for my option file for PES 12 was a bastard and half.
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