View Full Version : Demo 1: Constructive Criticism
Basically a thread based only for the areas you feel Konami should work on for the final version, no major hatred just say how you feel it could be improved and why.
Me first, Whilst playing against Ronaldo he feels like any ordinary player, he never takes my men on or even attempts a powerful long shot and it would be nice to see that changed.
Also I still feel so vulnerable to through balls, I have scored a variety of goals but it seems I only ever concede via through balls.
Now your turn.
Makavelian
29-07-2012, 13:39
-Feel the AI shoot low too often.
-Horrible lighting in night time games compared to how nice the day matches look.
-The in your face transitions after every replay or stop in play.
What difficulty are you playing on? Ronaldo is always running at me trying to commit my defenders when he's got the ball.
I feel you are in a lot more control at defending through balls in this game but you have to be extra sharp because the A.I picks out some beautiful passes. Been carved up plenty of times with great football by the AI when you just have to hold your hands up.
What difficulty are you playing on? Ronaldo is always running at me trying to commit my defenders when he's got the ball.
Same with Neymar, on Superstar he's almost impossible to tackle. Keeps nutmegging me :lol:
I'm on Top Player but in my case he gets the ball and looks to set up a team mate. Also one tiny gripe, axe the anthem singing, it's so bad it just embarrasses Konami.
Makavelian
29-07-2012, 13:44
Yeah, pretty awful on the National anthems :D
One of the things that's impressed me the most this year is players from the oppenent AI is the players play similar to their real life counterparts.. Like in last years game every midfielder turned into Zidane if you pressure them and any old shit midfielder would drive up the pitch with the ball glued to their feet.
The Player ID is truly revolutionary and we do need to realise it's in its first year, however the fact Ronaldo shoots from distance or not should not depend on difficulty setting. Other than what I've pointed out at the top this game is the BEST for a long time.
Makavelian
29-07-2012, 13:54
Same with Neymar, on Superstar he's almost impossible to tackle. Keeps nutmegging me :lol:
Not played against him yet but Ronaldinho can be frustrating sometimes the tricky fucker but other matches he's completely anonymous.
That's strange - i Find him TOO good in the demo :) I think Ronaldo is absoolutely outstanding in the demo. Both when controlling him and facing him.
I play on superstar.
Not played against him yet but Ronaldinho can be frustrating sometimes the tricky fucker but other matches he's completely anonymous.
Sounds like they've nailed Ronaldinho's player ID down perfectly.
Anysecondnow
29-07-2012, 15:37
Same with Neymar, on Superstar he's almost impossible to tackle. Keeps nutmegging me :lol:
Chop him down..he gets injured and has to go off...now carry on :)
Makavelian
29-07-2012, 15:48
I like your style Anysecondnow :point:
Gibelini
29-07-2012, 15:50
Maybe its just me, but when I try to do a trick, it takes the player 2 seconds to do it. sort of delay.
Makavelian
29-07-2012, 15:53
There's supposedly a delay problem on the Xbox.
Rubberbanding in AI. Play on Superstar and you'll notice this - whever you press R1 and run, the CPU defenders all turn into world class defenders and can tackle you or outrun you. If you don't use R1, and use tactical dribbling instead with R2, the CPU defenders play ordinarily, and its possible to go past a CPU player. I don't experience this on Top Player or Multiplayer, only on Superstar.
My only gripe this year apart from overpowered long range shooting and night time match contrast
A small constructive criticism:
- Alternative kits. We have Home and Away kits sure, but what about a potential third kit? I see no harm in it, or even the possibility of 'mixing and matching' depending upon the colours of your opponents.
As I say, it's really minor, but it's also a nice personal touch that was removed a few years back. I sometimes feel as though Konami just remove features, so that when they're implemented again at a later date, they receive 'praise'.
Anysecondnow
29-07-2012, 16:07
I like your style Anysecondnow :point:
Thank you! ;) Well hopefully you just get booked and don't lose a player.
Gibelini
29-07-2012, 16:19
There's supposedly a delay problem on the Xbox.
more like laggy
more like laggy
Yeah.
It seems whenever there is quite a large number of players in a small area, the game lags - as if it can't load up all of the players at any one time without lagging.
Really annoying.
when i played the demo and i went attacking the game lagged so much that it coused me to loose possesion :/
More variation in positioning of attacking players for corners and maybe there should be an option to how many players you want in the box instead of default number for every team.
On the same lines as corners really from goal-kicks we need players moving about some coming short etc instead of just the one on the edge of the box that's fine for offline mode cpu doesn't pressure you but online you will be forced to go long every time unless your really quick.
Would also like to see more variation from kickoff with the cpu to me they seem to do the exact same as pes 12 kickoff then pass it back twice then play from there.
Small details i know but part from some other minor things like dumb players that don't react to a ball an inch away from them and your team mate not getting out the way when you have the ball and 1 more hit the bar way to much this game seems playable.
edit:
Forgot to say would be nice to have some new looking refs.
SteEagles27
29-07-2012, 17:03
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGXdhcanty8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGXdhcanty8
Is that all you post?
Wewillgreetu
29-07-2012, 17:58
Hmmmm gameplay wise I have a few small problems. Firstly is the whole throw in default set-up. You know when the ball goes out of play and you run up to press only to be then put into a default fashion. It is particulary annoying when you are chasing the game. It has always been in the game, it is the same with free kicks players automatically go into "default" position. It's a small thing as I say but so infuriating when chasing the game.
Problem two is the R3 runner you press only for your player to lollipop and then be tackled or the chance is then gone. It gets annoying its basically the same problem which existed with PES 2012
Next problem is being able to highlight a specific player during corners and free kicks. It is abused and it makes it far easier to score from a corner or create a goal scoring opportunity.
My last problem that I have spotted is that superstar is easy. I haven't tried it on any other difficulty yet but from what you guys have been saying is that top player seems to be more challenging.
Other than that I can't really speak of any other gameplay problems which is quite something after last years farce. Good work getting most of it right Konami.
I do have other problems with the game such as the tactics. We have not been given enough choices when it comes to editing tactics. I want to be able to do more. I don't want to be overloaded, it is not football manager after all but I would like different options to play about with.
There is still no wing backs in the game is problem number 2. The wing back still exists Konami. I am still unclear as to why you took it away from the game.
Problem 3 has to this letter rating system I still don't like it but I have to give them credit this time around. At least this year you can see the full players attributes on the screen instead of having to go through them individually like last year.
The main problem is undoubtedly the rating system. This is definetly my biggest problem with the game. Italy rated the best team in the demo by quite a margin. Players like Gomez (77) badstuber (79) Khedira (78) are seriously under rated. You can perhaps overlook this point as these guys can be edited.
Oh and another point why can't you add more skillcards for keepers? Such skillcards could be -
Command - which would mean they command there 18 yard box and try to claim more crossed balls.
Throw - Would mean certain keepers could throw the ball further and more accurately giving teams more chance of a better faster counter.
The keepers skillcards as they stand are no big problem I guess. It would be nice to see others like the two I mentioned.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGXdhcanty8
Dude you dont have to fill every thread with this nonsens
mahanddeem
30-07-2012, 06:34
A keeper catches a rocket shot toward him from 30 meters and the ball ends up in his gloves is also silly.
A small constructive criticism:
- Alternative kits. We have Home and Away kits sure, but what about a potential third kit? I see no harm in it, or even the possibility of 'mixing and matching' depending upon the colours of your opponents.
As I say, it's really minor, but it's also a nice personal touch that was removed a few years back. I sometimes feel as though Konami just remove features, so that when they're implemented again at a later date, they receive 'praise'.
Ah, well that I do know about. That was put to Konami in the form of a Q&A earlier this year, the mixing and matching of kits was removed due to licensing, essentially fully licensed kits had to appear as they were. Daft I know.
My other bit of advice would be get rid of the rating system, bring back the nostalgic hexagon and let's get on with life.
Someone needs to show this list to Jon Murphy...
MysteryMan
30-07-2012, 11:39
Pes 13 has real potential, and its the first pes game since long that I feel this way, it could end up being an amazing game, but in this 1st demo there are some obvious flaws that need to be adressed, maybe not all of them but if they adress a bounch of these flaws then pes 13 will be absolutely amazing.
- The single biggest bad thing is the way the AI attacks you, which is they rush you and counter you like mad often losing the ball in the process of this madness, instead of building the play up and passing around, I think I never saw anyone pass the ball backwards from the AI.
They need to have some variety in their play, when i play barca against the AI I don't want to see them playing counter attacking rushing football all the time, I want them to play posession football.
Why do all teams play the same way?
Why do we have those tactics like long ball, posession etc... if they don't affect the AI at all..
They also have only very few limited ways of trying to get to the goal, crossing or pinpoint through balls.
I really hope KONAMI makes the AI actually play better and smarter football.
- The AI players still get major stat boost on higher difficulty, why not just make them play better as a team instead of boosting individual stats?
- The ball feels too slow and floaty when the keeper throws it far ahead, alltho this feauture is a good thing they should increase the speed of that throw a bit.
- Need an option to go full manual, for example if I want to have manual passing only there needs to be an option to enable that so I don't have to press LT everytime I want to make a manual pass.
- When the opposing keeper has the ball you still have to jog, I should be able to sprint if I want whenever I want, should be fixed and its easy to fix it.
- The AI seems unrealisticaly good from free kicks, but maybe its just a good run, still not 100% sure about this, others can offer some feedback on this if they can.
- Player switching is a bit of an issue
- Players running on rails is still present alltho less than pes 12, still I would really like this to be removed alltogether. Overall there is still this feeling that u have to be fighting the game instead of playing it because ur forced to do something u don't want to do at times.
- Shoots seem too accurate and strong, even with players with average shooting stats
- Ref sucks, you get easy yellow cards while the AI gets almost no yellow cards even tho its a blatant foul, also the ref seems to not tell the difference between a shocking slide tackle and a not so bad one as you always get a yellow card in either case.
- Stamina problem, players can run like crazy whole game long and still be normal in the 85th minute, its a problem because if in real life a player would run almost all match like crazy he would be completely exhausted by the 80th minute and much less effective and unable to keep sprinting still like if he was fresh.
- Night games look bad
- Lack of atmosphere.
PR3CiSiON
30-07-2012, 12:04
Some of the criticism on this thread is pretty daft, I do like the game overall, the only problem I have with it, is sometimes it's hard to beat the last defender. Picking things out like certain players hitting long shots, and the general lighting, is a little bit stupid to me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, however I enjoy the demo the way it is, and remember, things like lighting should, and could, be sorted for the game launching.
Some of the criticism on this thread is pretty daft, I do like the game overall, the only problem I have with it, is sometimes it's hard to beat the last defender. Picking things out like certain players hitting long shots, and the general lighting, is a little bit stupid to me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, however I enjoy the demo the way it is, and remember, things like lighting should, and could, be sorted for the game launching.
I had that problem ... then I watched the tutorial on tricks, honestly if you've got a decent dribbler you can nutmeg the last defender as soon as he tries to close you down.
What I've found tricky is lobbing the goalkeeper, they rush out so quickly to close the angle down, unless I'm spot on down low quickly, they tend to smother the ball, no issue with that but I might need to work on the lobbing skills!
I hope they include a tutorial for some of the moves or a training session to harness them.
Ali_BWFC
30-07-2012, 12:16
A little nitpick regardin the goalies - has been an issue for a long time in PES games. When you play a through ball, and it's a chase between you and the goalie, the goalie will always seem to get it, they'll never cock up their timing and not get there in time, or hesitate either.
PR3CiSiON
30-07-2012, 12:17
I had that problem ... then I watched the tutorial on tricks, honestly if you've got a decent dribbler you can nutmeg the last defender as soon as he tries to close you down.
What I've found tricky is lobbing the goalkeeper, they rush out so quickly to close the angle down, unless I'm spot on down low quickly, they tend to smother the ball, no issue with that but I might need to work on the lobbing skills!
I hope they include a tutorial for some of the moves or a training session to harness them.
Lobbing will take a bit of getting used to, as it isn't effective on any of the PES series since the next gen consoles came out. Just need to practice more I suppose, and get a general feel for using the lob. I just hope it's not easy to master. Online will be painful if people master it too easy, although the players are easier to catch with defenders in this one it seems.
superpes
30-07-2012, 12:18
Next problem is being able to highlight a specific player during corners and free kicks. It is abused and it makes it far easier to score from a corner or create a goal scoring opportunity.
My last problem that I have spotted is that superstar is easy. I haven't tried it on any other difficulty yet but from what you guys have been saying is that top player seems to be more challenging.
Other than that I can't really speak of any other gameplay problems which is quite something after last years farce. Good work getting most of it right Konami.
I do have other problems with the game such as the tactics. We have not been given enough choices when it comes to editing tactics. I want to be able to do more. I don't want to be overloaded, it is not football manager after all but I would like different options to play about with.
There is still no wing backs in the game is problem number 2. The wing back still exists Konami. I am still unclear as to why you took it away from the game.
Problem 3 has to this letter rating system I still don't like it but I have to give them credit this time around. At least this year you can see the full players attributes on the screen instead of having to go through them individually like last year.
The main problem is undoubtedly the rating system. This is definetly my biggest problem with the game. Italy rated the best team in the demo by quite a margin. Players like Gomez (77) badstuber (79) Khedira (78) are seriously under rated. You can perhaps overlook this point as these guys can be edited.
Oh and another point why can't you add more skillcards for keepers? Such skillcards could be -
Command - which would mean they command there 18 yard box and try to claim more crossed balls.
Throw - Would mean certain keepers could throw the ball further and more accurately giving teams more chance of a better faster counter.
The keepers skillcards as they stand are no big problem I guess. It would be nice to see others like the two I mentioned.
Problem with corner and free kicks is easy , only thing that konami should do is to let us control goalkeeper during dead ball situations in online games as we can in matches against computer( L1+R3 ).
I agree that it should be more options for tactics, but I guess that wing backs are players with offensive full back card, because when you play without lmf and rmf and you have this kind of player on lb or rb they really make runs more than regular backs or those without a skill card.
You could see the same layout of attributes in last years game ,but I can't remember what button you should press to get that layout when you open player's menu.
Germany goalkeeper has skill card for long throw.
Ratings are always going to be a problem, but I think that all other players are over rated and that those you mentioned are just fine, because I don't believe that anybody should be 99 on the game in overall rating , reason for that is that I find more interesting and really close to real football when I play with weaker teams with my mates.
Finally , my opinion is that the biggest problem is that players crash into a player from the same team, that is something that you really can't see in real football, STILL there is no doubt in my mind that I'm going to by new pes.
I had that problem ... then I watched the tutorial on tricks, honestly if you've got a decent dribbler you can nutmeg the last defender as soon as he tries to close you down.
What I've found tricky is lobbing the goalkeeper, they rush out so quickly to close the angle down, unless I'm spot on down low quickly, they tend to smother the ball, no issue with that but I might need to work on the lobbing skills!
I hope they include a tutorial for some of the moves or a training session to harness them.
just a suggestion, have you tried executing the lob by using the circle button. by using manual settings you should be able to place it over the keeper.
Makavelian
30-07-2012, 14:33
What I've found tricky is lobbing the goalkeeper, they rush out so quickly to close the angle down, unless I'm spot on down low quickly, they tend to smother the ball, no issue with that but I might need to work on the lobbing skills!
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My first attempt using the chip button.:cool:
skickahit10
30-07-2012, 16:28
I had that problem ... then I watched the tutorial on tricks, honestly if you've got a decent dribbler you can nutmeg the last defender as soon as he tries to close you down.
where do you find them tutorials? :)
Just scored a great finesse shot from outside the box with Carrol, and the keeper had no chance. I'm just starting to get worried if players with curl and accuracy under 75 can master those shots as it'll be a problem online.
Also, I agree night time matches are horrible but their are enough people telling KONAMI that so fingers crossed the contrast will improve in time for the next demo.
Also, KONAMI have revealed they have a nice little surprise tomorrow on their Facebook page. I wonder what it is :jack:
Makavelian
30-07-2012, 17:17
Probably what teams will be in it.
They've already stated the default team list and are going to reveal licenses at Gamescom so I'm thinking its something else. Hopefully its not something like 'Try out PES at Gamescom by winning free tickets' because I cannot be arsed to do that. It could be some patch for the demo to increase the teams or match time
The problems I have found with the demo, that I'd like them to work on are:
Goalkeepers on humn controlled teams, are poor. Like to the point where they rarely save anything. Also if you pull your goalkeeper out to close the shooting angles, he has a tendancy to dive forwards, and thus over the ball. It's stupid. So please, make the human team goalkeepers as good as the cpu team goalkeepers. As they're quite capable.
Secondly the cpu is overly accurate with freekicks. Scoring most of them. It's cheap and unrealistic.
Thirdly, the referees are awful. They call freekicks that aren't freekicks. They don't call freekicks that are freekicks. And I've not seen a player given a straight red yet, regardless of the fact that I've had players taken out by the last defender going through on goal etc.
And finally another point in reference to referees, is they don't care about anything that happens off the ball, short of you sliding someone from behind. The number of times I've attempted a 1-2 only for the original passer to be taken out making his run, thus completely ruining the attacking play. In a real game challenges like that warrant a yellow card.
Honestly, I've played around 15 games on top player, and they have yet to score a free kick.
But, yes they need to sort out what are fouls and what deserve which card, and also look at situational cards/fouls (not a bad foul but he would havebeen throughon goal =red card)
Refs don't punish retrospectively,if you do a terrible tackleand they get the advantage, he will notgo back and bookthe player
I think the positional play of keepers can be improved
I had stated this in the previous thread....Superstar level is very easy to play.
My opinion is that they have reduced the game play (many might see this as a plus) by making the shooting incredibly powerful and accurate. I hardly miss a shot on goal. Although many are saved ..they are mostly on target.
Next thing is the passing....very easy. Ping Pong your way to the final third and you are sure to get a shot. I had stated this early also and i have seen some one mention it also....
If you do not not use the fast (R1) button or use only R2...there is little pressure from the defenders.
Also, turning on defenders is too easy on both end of the pitch. I can see a huge problem here for online games if this is mastered.
For me, the game feels like good ...but it also feels like a basic build with very little tactical skill needed.
If you can pass and shoot ...you have mastered this demo easily.
peace
clark_walker
31-07-2012, 07:39
Pes 2013 is awesome! i think i will finally purchased it this year. i do however have a problem with it. the rubber banding of the player receiving a through pass...every single time i make a through pass...the player receiving the ball looks like he's waiting for a specific position to receive the ball...(sometimes he runs side ways along with the ball).
it's really frustrating when i make a defence splitting through pass..instead of bursting away through on goal, i have to wait for the player to align itself properly...and then run. by that mili-sec time...the defence has caught up with me.
anyone understand what i'm trying to say here! kind of difficult to explain
Check out MAKAVELIAN's video above...@ 06-07 secs....
skickahit10
31-07-2012, 11:18
the cpu is overly accurate with freekicks. Scoring most of them. It's cheap and unrealistic.
move the goalkeeper to the middle of the goal during a freekick and you'll concede maybe 1 out of 100.
My biggest concern is the keepers. They are still shite, however improved since 2012.
I really don't know what konamis problem is regarding this. On ps2 and ps1 i never ever noticed any recurring keeper flaws as i do on the ps3. For me it seems like using triangle to rush out is completely useless since any attacker can easily shoot the ball just over the keepers leg as he goes down to take the ball with his hands.
menaceuk
02-08-2012, 22:32
Goalkeepers need improving and pretty badly.
Ref decisions are pretty stupid. Lost count how many times I won the ball only to get a decision against me.
Cheating A.I who some how mange to gain the strength of 10 men and are impossible to get the ball off.
Stats....... A.I need to stick to them........... No way is a 72 top speed keeping up with an 80+ but all the stats are pretty much worthless cause the A.I..well...cheat as I said above.
Demo has plenty of flaws but I am still enjoying every match.
Ughhh! The scripting is so over powered! Literally every game I've played I've dominated but still lost. Stupid goals that are just undefendable! Really worried if this is not fixed by the final build
^ At first i thought "Finally, no more scripting" but the more matches i play, the more concerned i got unfortunately :( I've experienced the same as Macheda mentions.
You control the game and have 70 % ball possession and 8-9 shots on target. They have one shot on target and score in the 89th minute. I know it happens in real life as well, but in the demo it just happens to many times, that they don't cross the half way line until the last minute and then they score..
Apocalypse88
04-08-2012, 00:22
Ughhh! The scripting is so over powered! Literally every game I've played I've dominated but still lost. Stupid goals that are just undefendable! Really worried if this is not fixed by the final build
Just lost to Coventry(PES 2012), had 68% ball possession, hit the bar three times and to make it even worse they scored in the 87th minute. :realmad:I switched off my console and took a walk coz i was afraid i might do something i ll regret to my screen.....
Ughhh! The scripting is so over powered! Literally every game I've played I've dominated but still lost. Stupid goals that are just undefendable! Really worried if this is not fixed by the final build
I've played 20+ games now on Superstar, I've only lost 4, drawn 2 and won the rest.
Yeah the AI is proficient with the final through ball but when I play to my best the AI can't hold a candle to me. Sure I concede but I've turned games around on multiple occasions.
Tigers Mad
04-08-2012, 13:01
i can see to much differance between this version and PES 2012 tbh
harmonyvid35
05-08-2012, 00:54
An option to skip cutscenes and replays this year would be nice.
heerenveen6
07-08-2012, 13:36
I don't think replays need to be skipped, it's just a matter of having replays when appropriate. In PES2012 you get a replay for EVERY shot, even if it's going out of the stadium (Although i don't get replays when i hit the post/crossbar, which is silly). They just need replays for shots that are close to goal, and spectacular shots like volleys/diving headers etc. They should probably lose the flashy animations between replays as they waste time, i prefer the fade to/from black like on PS2.
Id go as far as saying.. if the cpu only has 1 or 2 chances and scores.. it could be that you havent learnt to properly defend yet?
Its not a dig but everyone who criticises any game never seems to looks at themselfs for reference.
Daymos, You cannot deny that the AI does cheat however. It's annoying to see the AI score sometimes because you could feel the cheating. But note. I said "sometimes" because the way the AI works in this game is to frustrate you and the AI does play a patient game. What's a patient game? Well, basically the AI plays in a way to try to get you to commit a mistake especially when in defence and when that happens, you're doomed.
The difference however, is that this year, when you do play properly without frustration, the AI won't score. But if you loose it, even slightly, the AI will score. Same goes for when you score.
Notice that when you're 2-0 up, the AI rushes more and thus they would be more prone for a counter attack. Basically this year, tactics will play quite apart if they work on the AI more.
harmonyvid35
07-08-2012, 14:46
I don't really have a problem with cpu scoring chances. The defending system (against the cpu) seems to suit my game of play. I don't use high pressure tactics or team mate press that often, and prefer to stand off/cut off passing lanes. So when, I get cut open I know it's mostly my fault for allowing that thru ball option.
I've definitely conceded more goals on professional tho, compared to superstar lol.
My only gripe is that the cpu is extraordinarily reluctant to do simple passes backwards to an open player(defender) to keep possession. Especially when they have no other option, they'll continue to bomb forward. (This happens all the time for me when I crowd them towards the touch lines)
Lets hope the CPU AI is tweaked to suit all our issues..
My AI issue was about the GK.. I waned the GK to make mistakes" like jump out to punch a ball from a corner kick to totally collide with players or miss complete or even just get a slight touch on the ball..
The GK AI options now are just to stand still or come out and 100% catch it.
Another thing i wanted was to see a through ball from the half way line where its just the forward running to get to the ball on the edge of the area before the goal keeper..
Currently in PES.. the goalkeeper AI will only let it come out of the Area to get the ball if the CPU has 100% calculated it will get there 1st.
I want to see it occasionally mis-calculate the distance leaving the forward to chip or run round them etc..
Also running round players I hope gets harder during 1 on 1's..
having the cpu pass back now and then should be added to this list..
El Niche
07-08-2012, 16:49
I agree with the posters above. at first i thought the scripting wasn't there (i admit it improved a lot from pes2012), but after more games i see the ai just turning the heat on with extremely lucky shots and excellent dribbling screens. me: 1000 shots on goal with 1 goals, AI:1 shot, 1 goal.
I am praying this gets toned down for the final build as I fear for the structural integrity of my controller.
Perhaps we need reverse scripting where they create more chances but miss more?
El Niche
07-08-2012, 17:00
or simply tweak the engine so the AI plays smarter without the need of any scripting.
i dont care if they beat me 5-0 by playing smart, i do mind when im up 1-0 in 83rd min and they beat me 2-1 because my players suddenly become inferior
harmonyvid35
07-08-2012, 17:16
That happened to me quite a bit in 12 on superstar. Although it was less from passes and more from perfect dribbling from the AI to cause those 'cheat' moments. Hopefully the new defending system will help.
In saying that, the 'cheat' moments have never bothered me that much as I've always thought it was for the AI to create a chance, but not necessarily to finish it. It does the job in making the game challenging. I remember the tougher matches more than the ones in which ive won 5-0.
Alister89
07-08-2012, 19:40
not only would i like to see atmosphere improved in the game but id also like to see the atmosphere of certain teams improved to get that "fortress" atmosphere take Celtic, Liverpool, Man Utd on a European night, derby/big rival matches, el classico, cup matches etc. the game already knows teams rivals licensed/unlicensed for example take the rival games from ML in 2012 and you get a team talk about the importance of the game but no difference in atmosphere to any other game, just something to consider...
I really like this demo, I'd just like to see the ball have a little less rigidity in it. It feels like it's on a string or something. Visually, it looks a bit unnatural. I don't like the way the keepers' throws go way up in the air.
harmonyvid35
08-08-2012, 06:04
Played a game earlier against Italy (top player) and I was fouled 5 times in the first half by ThiagoMotta, and twice in 1st 10mins of second half. This happened a lot in PES 12 in online matches.
I would love to see the ref start giving yellow cards for these persistent offences.
Antonyc1977
10-08-2012, 16:20
Great game. Don't change a damn thing!
The fun is finally back.
As for the posts which state "more chances but less on target". This is PES 2012's issues. I hated it when I miss piss easy chances.
PES 2013 is the complete article. Can't wait for Sept 25th.
MesSI ToXIc
11-08-2012, 19:39
- I think passing is the main issue in this game. it's really frustrating. they need to bring back pes 2011 passing system which was the best in soccer games ever.
- the game seems a little bit slow, they need to speed it up just a little little little bit.
pes 2012 was freakin' fast, it was so hard to tackle strikers, i didn't like that.
the demo of 2013 is amazing so far, i think the game will be awesome
wheresmark
19-08-2012, 13:43
Lobbing will take a bit of getting used to, as it isn't effective on any of the PES series since the next gen consoles came out. Just need to practice more I suppose, and get a general feel for using the lob. I just hope it's not easy to master. Online will be painful if people master it too easy, although the players are easier to catch with defenders in this one it seems.
Lobbing on pes12 was far far far too easy. Struggling on pes13 demo, which is how it should be.
- I think passing is the main issue in this game. it's really frustrating. they need to bring back pes 2011 passing system which was the best in soccer games ever.
- the game seems a little bit slow, they need to speed it up just a little little little bit.
pes 2012 was freakin' fast, it was so hard to tackle strikers, i didn't like that.
the demo of 2013 is amazing so far, i think the game will be awesome
Gawd no! It's fine, how many games do you see that move at 100mph for 90 minutes? That's what PES2012 was like and it ruined the game playing experience for me. PES2013 is fine as it is, tweaking the speed will make it far too arcadey.
Gawd no! It's fine, how many games do you see that move at 100mph for 90 minutes? That's what PES2012 was like and it ruined the game playing experience for me. PES2013 is fine as it is, tweaking the speed will make it far too arcadey.
Funny thing is the next point after that contradicts his point of saying the game needs to be more faster
harmonyvid35
19-08-2012, 19:33
- I think passing is the main issue in this game. it's really frustrating. they need to bring back pes 2011 passing system which was the best in soccer games ever.
- the game seems a little bit slow, they need to speed it up just a little little little bit.
pes 2012 was freakin' fast, it was so hard to tackle strikers, i didn't like that.
the demo of 2013 is amazing so far, i think the game will be awesome
If anything, I think the demo's -1 should be the default speed. More realistic
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