Every Summer the buzz begins. A rumor here, a whisper there. Fans scramble for the first scrap of information while awaiting official details or a glimpse of a demo build screenshot. It was always a great time for PES players throughout the years. I remember I was most excited with the release of PES 4. I don’t know why exactly but I remember seeing the first screenshots on my first PC and I just became obsessed with finding out every detail I could.
I remember reading about twenty reviews, all showering it with praise. And after eventually waiting for what felt like a lifetime, on release day, I skipped school with my cousin and played 1 v 1′s for about 12 hours straight. PES 4 was a sublime game of football.
Now 8 years on, it’s a different story altogether. FIFA is the new king in town, seemingly having kept PES from it’s Iron throne for the last 3 years. Is there any way back or should Konami pack it in as so many people have encouraged?
I reckon Konami would be crazy to give up for the simple reason they are not miles away from reclaiming the No.1 spot. Does it need a yearly release or a patch every 6 months for 18 months and rebuild PES from the ground up though?
I think in order to maintain a fan base it does need a yearly release. While I would love to see what the Konami team could conjure up with double or triple development time, PES 2012 is too good. Ok, so it has a few issues, but what game doesn’t? I could rip holes in any game on any console. (except Shenmue=best game ever!)
In my opinion PES is back. Back on the right track anyway. PES 2012 is a cracking game albeit with a few issues. Some big, some small. But imagine this…
You turn on your console tomorrow morning to be greeted by “Update Available”. After installing, you load up the game proper to see a list of implemented upgrades:
- Shooting is more powerful.
- New animations.
- Speed reduced by 5-10% (walcott down from 95 speed to 90 etc…)
- Revised MLO divisons.
- MLO Salary Cap
- MLO/online similar skill/teams level match rooms
- Passing locked at 1 for all modes.
Now imagine how different PES 2012 would be.
THE KING IS BACK.
Final words
PES 2012 has sold around 3 million copies worldwide. FIFA 12 is around 10 million. I don’t think many people understand the true sales because of rubbish being spouted by EA that FIFA outsold PES 25-1 or something crazy like that. Konami need to involve the european community. Get people talking again. Ask what we want and implement it. We know what we want so invite our opinions. True gamers buy the best and PES 2013 can reclaim the throne, with a little help from the community.
Let me know your thoughts below. Can’t wait to hear you replies.
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Yes but 2 years ago Konami said they would listen. This very site claimed to have influence with Konami on what was needed/ to be included in the next version… What did we get?
Zilch!
I’ve for years now felt that Konami need to take two years to make a completely new game. For a long time it feels like we have been recieving
a game with mainly tweaks that could be possibly added thru’ updates yet recently I asked myself what if Konami had released two games within the
four year (four game) period..would we have a completely new animal? I
tend to think not, we would just have to wait longer to get it which really serves nobody.. So I have reluctantly changed my mind on this issue because I believe the problem lies with Konami ultimately. Another game developer may
use that extra time to alter their game significantly however Seabass and his crew seem quite content in their existing progress I just couldn’t see them altering their ways all too much to truly utilise the two years given.
With that said….
It will be interesting to see what PES 2013 will be like because I’ve read that it’s made the CVG shortlist of games that will define 2012 and it will have a new engine and tech….. Then Seabass announces that this new game will be very different but then I read that it was declared that there will be no new engine for the game which immediately makes me question Seabass after all we are used to him coming out exaggerating the changes before a release….is he doing that now? I seriously hope not!
We need to imagine things for the ‘King’ to be back? that’s your argument?
Do you even read this?
There is no such thing as a perfect game, but that argument should not be used to excuse PES for it’s flaws. Excellent games are excellent in spite of their flaws, PES is bad because of them, please know this distinction and give us an objective opinion.
Sorry man, maybe I wasn’t clear. I wasn’t saying to imagine that Pes is good. Why would you have to imagine its good when it is a great offering this year? Master league and against a mate are solid. Mlo is flawed but my main point is this. If PES 2013 fixed the above problems, lag cheats, introduce a salary cap, slow game down, etc… Then would you not agree PES would be back or do you think it’s just awful?
@floppy
I suppose man, I don’t know about that to be honest. Do you think KONAMI are flogging a dead horse so? I think they listen to certain things, hopefully that will increase this year. PES needs the fans, it’s not like FIFA.
@lucifer
Good point man. That what I am saying. PES 2012 is a great game, but it has problems. I think a lot of people hate the MLO because of the cheats. I said IF and I stress the word IF, PES 2013 fixes those issues, would it not be a brilliant game? I would take this years PES, with a MLO revamp, (salary cap, more variety in search options, form randomized more, etc) and more original ideas. What about a 5 a side, ala FIFA Street, but include it in the game in the PES shop?
As for CVG, ya I read that too. A new engine would be immense. Is PES 2013 make or break for you?
Sack seabass and jon murphy..fook konami for letting us down everyone year
Pes will never be the same..claim they listen to the fans ….bolloks
Fooking online barca/real cheats is seriously pi55ing me off
@Barry
Q: Is PES 2013 make or break for you?
A: Yes…well kind of? …you see I always seem to say that yet when I hear the next installment rumours and build up I usually decide to give them another chance to impress me…to blow me away with a unique truly enhanced game….perhaps it’s my undying optimism that is the problem lol.
As for PES 2012 I liked the fact that they made changes to The Master League I see it as a step in the right direction the problem however I find is that it feels very slow….improvements are coming at a snails pace… For example people have been asking for Managers to be able to move club (in ML) essentially an easy enough alteration but no for some reason it wasn’t added. I like the idea of the five a side too also they should be adding indoor football and varied weather conditions like frost and snow. The commentary is another huge annoyance for me….. It needs to be completely overhauled… In ML and BAL it should be constantly referring to certain aspects of your personal game like when you buy a new player and he makes his debut or if your in financial trouble or simply if your team is not playing well, etc….all should be referred to in the commentary during a game. The crowds in the stands need vast improvements I’d like to see more random acts happen like a streaker, like fans invading a pitch, fans throwing stuff, lighting flares, etc I’d like to be able to get a player to move right up to the crowd after scoring and be able to hug some. Essentially more freedom while you play. Personally I’d love to see a ML game where you get to control the manager in a 3d environment going around the back areas of each stadium being able to decide when and what to say in press conferences or what players to give an ear bashing to. A weekly highlights show would also be cool with some created tv presenters discussing the weeks events in the league including your team’s match……
Something tells me PES 2013 will not feature all these things lol
If they fixed the said problems, and that’s a big IF, I don’t think it would be back. See, the problem is that our main love for PES is either in the past or in the future, never in the present. Year after year we have to try hard to see glimpses of past greatness in the game, or hoping the issues that keep the game from being great will be fixed in next year’s installment only to find out that either they aren’t or are overwhelmed by new issues. Take a look at your archives from the past 3 years and you’ll find the same discussions, PES is permanently on the right track, never on the money. it’s a never ending story.
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For those who complain about other players picking barce and madrid all the time: man up. They are the best team in the world and obviously if you choose them the match will be way more entertaining with more chances created. I love pes because it is high octane all out fun.
When you play with some of the weaker teams the match becomes stale and boring with each team struggling to create chances because their players stats arnt that good, passing wise as well as shooing.
Its not the team! Its the player sitting with the controller behind the team. I get an immense amount of pleasure when I beat someone who plays with the big guns. STOP MOANING.
Thats utter balls rafeeq,a team like barca or real can make a **** player seem good cause the quality of xavi ronaldo etc.you always have a chance with players that good but that states nothing of the quality of the user and i firmly believe that.you can tell within the first few exchanges how goo someone is going to be because how they play and defend.95% of barca real users just give the ball to messi,sanchez or ronaldo and just run hoping for the best
What will Seabass & co do with RVP stats & rating, coz when Fabragas was at Arsenal they made him average, yet when he transfer 2 Barca, he rated better than Xavi, it a funny old game, & Pes 12 is not great, 1 of the worst football games ever made, avin flaw golies, is a gamebreaker, & bring back the real Pes shooting, wow factor, Pes 13 will b great, coz Pes 12 was so boring, Pes 12 is the 1st Pes where that 1 more game feeling was not there this time, Pes use 2 b like Champ Manager, just wanted more & more, bring back thee glory days, pls.
Lads on a quick point, do you find the shootin improved? The shot modifiers really work. I have scored some golden oldie pes long shot belters. I find powering the shot and then holding rb winds up a stronger type of shot. It’s a different animation. For anyone struggling with the shooting I can’t really comment, I think it’s good, better than last year.
It’s the glitches in online competitive gaming that piss me off the most.
Keepers doing the strangest things and allowing **** shots and accidental goals in. “Momentum” which shifts games, sometimes it feels like no matter what yoy do you ain’t going to score or win the game.
Passing the ball, many times it doesn’t pass the ball to who you want to pass it to. i.e. someone is close to you and you tap the pass button for 1 milisecond, yet it manages to pass the ball to the player that is farther away and covered by 3 defenders. Great.
I could go on and on, but there is a lot that needs changing in PES.
Every year for as long as I can remember now these questions and answers do the rounds. Why is it that as soon as PES release a “new” version of the game inside a few days the forums are flooded by die hards claiming next year will be the year?
It’s growing old like there’s no tomorrow, I lost all hope about 3 years ago and it’s still in an awful state compared to what it used to be. We won’t see an actual “new” version of PES until the next generation of consoles are released (when ever that is and if they’re still even in business)
My advise is to start working on that now and stop releasing pointless updates year after year, it’s like seeing someone you used to love getting tore along the **** face first. Go away and come back banging like there’s no tomorrow, that’s how it will get back it’s greatness.
@papadeano
The word is called = defending. Because they are so bad they resort to dribbling every single time they get the ball and it is easier to beat them because of this. All you have to do is man-mark their star players and use the jockey and step in tackle function. By not passing the ball around they cannot create space thus they are not able to create clear chances. Playing with the top teams makes the game much more fun because the pace of the game is electrifying, high octane and pure fun with chances created left right and center (if both players are decent). Learn to defend and you will learn that there is skill involved. If you moaning you probably dont know how to defend -_-
@rafeeq
Think my point went over your head.no one wants to play the same two teams over and over,yet you get peolple like you who only eve want to go barca or real.It’s a pain, there is other teams out their you can have a great game with.It justngets ****en boring and ****s like you still dont get it.
@ Barry!
I’m loving your chronicles, making me laugh out loud, keep up the great work!
Barry…i’m with you mate. I remember PES1,2,3,4,5 and 6 on PS1 and PS2….man those were the days. Countless hours of fun, game after game. I pray to God that Konami bring that feeling back with PES 2013 but i highly doubt it. Every yead they disappoint with broken promises. I think the issue is the bar was set so high in the earlier releases that the game will have to be near perfect for most die hard PES gamers to like it again. I’m one of them. Very disappointed with every PES on the next gen.
Shooting, passing, defending, animation, AI, BAL, manager mode…al have major flaws. Yes it is fun to play but you dont get that feeling of coming back for more. I say they need a whole new revamp. Start with the basics, make it fun. Oh and the commentary sucks… so repetitive and annoying. Bring back Peter Brackley from PES 2 if memory serves me right.
What do you think???
2 words … ‘fifa street’
@papadeono
The sole purpose of playing video games: FUN. No one cares if YOU not having fun. If you don’t have fun go play against the CPU in exhibition or find players like yourself. Ps. I wait for the other player to pick a team and if he does not pick barc or madrid I dont to. Some people pretend like they gonna pick a weaker team but when you do they quickly select barc or madrid or worse their MLO cheat team. Ps.2…Pro Evo gets boring for me ONLY when I play an opponent who cant play. You on Xbox live? we can have a game. uhm but yaah no offence if you lower than D2…stay away.
Good article, as always, Barry. Personally, I think, if spending two years on the next game is what Konami needs to return the game to it’s former glories, then I think that would be the best thing for them to do, but, fo obvious reasons, they won’t do that.
Btw, are you still doing the Goal of The Week videos? It’s just people on the forums are saying that their sending PMs to you and not receiving any reply.
If you’re not, then that’s fine, but I just need to know, so I know whether to close the thread or not.
@Rafeeq
I love pes always have always will, Ilove the competitive nature online and dont mind the odd el clasico but i like the variety of going different teams a rome derby an old firm a milan derby psv ajax,but like you say you do get losers that try to lure you in then change up last minute which is lower than a snails bum, but i love it when you beat them, I play PS3 so you wont get the chance for me to school you on pes.
Viva la pro evolution
@papadeona
^_^ at least we have something in common: the love for PES.
That last sentence is a disturbing dent in my opinion on your character tho -_- I always talk after I do the schooling. Arrogant remarks like that get you nowhere in life, especially if you the one schooled. Cya mate!
Pes 2012 is a great game needing some improvement which obviously Konami are working on through update and DLC packs, great work Konami
@ afolash
your not serious are you? Its good in places but hardly great? For me its in need of massive improvements…improvements. I might add that have been needed now for a long time like the commentary. In the Master League the fans have been suggesting stuff for years like being able to change clubs as a manager and having more than two divisions (or at least the option of) but neither have been added yet. and don’t start me on licenses lol I find the whole thing quite annoying as I know they could make a truly great game…hmmm perhaps this year they’ll truly surprise me?