Interfering With Play - Tuesday 2nd September 2008
Posted by Dan Bolas in Interfering With Play on Tue 02 Sep
Welcome to this week’s Interfering With Play. As it always is with this time of the year, the rumours that have been circulating all summer start to either become fact or fiction, and the official press releases start to get people excited about the latest offerings in the football gaming world. This week has also seen one of the most dramatic climaxes to a transfer window in footballing history, as Manchester City have become an overnight super power, and United proved that the bully boy tactics they ridiculed Madrid for are alright when it is beneficial to them. With this said, lets move on to this week’s article.
“Hate Is A Strong Word, But I Really, Really, Really Don’t Like You”
There are some people in football that the general public just don’t like. Obviously, United fans are going to dislike Liverpool players and vice versa, similar to most local rivals throughout the country, but there are some people who just seem to rub everyone the wrong way. I am talking about people such as Craig Bellamy, who seems to have annoyed every club he has left, played against or been involved in some way with! I am talking about Joey Barton, the player who has had more chances than a game of Monopoly. I am talking about El Hadj Diouf, who seems to always be involved in a diving or spitting controversy somewhere in the world. But there is one person who really gets on my nerves, and by saying this I think I speak for most of the football world, and that man is Peter Kenyon. Yes, it would be very easy to take the low road and compare his head to that of a cartoon moon, but instead I am simply going to point out some facts about the Chelsea director.
When Roman Abramovich took over at Chelsea, he did what any good businessman would do, who looked for the most successful rival company, and tried to steal some of their most influential figures. He got Juan Sebastian Veron, which turned out to be a flop, but he also took the man ‘responsible’ for United’s marketing dominance, Peter Kenyon. All this was occurring at the time when United had had a huge money bid accepted by Paris St. German for Ronaldinho, and the Brazilian seemed to be on his way to Old Trafford. By some incredible coincidence, the bid was then withdrawn, Ronaldinho went to Spain, and Kenyon was in London tying the loose ends up with Chelsea days later. To me, this is enough to send alarm bells ringing about a man who, whilst having a smart marketing brain, knows very little about the tactical or footballing aspects of the ‘beautiful game’.
But we move on, and over the successful Chelsea years, Mr. Kenyon’s ego began to swell beyond epic proportion. Chelsea are yet to come close to being the global super power that United are, mainly because their lack of a poster boy player (Beckham or Ronaldo) who appeals to the ladies as well as the blokes! Yet Kenyon believes Chelsea will be profitable soon, even though recording huge losses on players such as Shevchenko and Wright Phillips that would have caused heads to roll at 90% of other top clubs. Logic seems to be lost upon him, which again, is no reason to worry too much, as long as he stays talking to Chelsea TV, out of the public eye.
Until May 2008, when following an epic Champions League final, which saw a Terry miss a crucial penalty. What must have been more humiliating for the Chelsea and England skipper would have been to go up second to collect his medal, behind, who else Peter Kenyon. Why on earth should Peter Kenyon go up and collect a Champion’s League finalist’s medal? Did he play? Did he do anything to aid Chelsea getting there? It was Abramovich’s money, and I am pretty sure most people could negotiate a good deal for players if they had unlimited funds! That night in Moscow was a huge kick in the teeth for both footballers and fans everywhere, as a businessman led a team up to collect medals.
And we come to this week, where once again, Kenyon has been raving about how Chelsea is a huge club because they can attract to players like Robinho to them. Enter Manchester City, who, right under Chelsea’s nose, stole the Brazilian’s signature, and with it proved that Chelsea lack genuine pulling power! I don’t hate Roman Abramovich, or Chelsea football club for the impact they have had on the Premier League over the past 5 years at all, but am frustrated and annoyed by the actions of their Director, Peter Kenyon. Any views would be most welcomed on this, especially from Chelsea and United fans.
“Here It Is Again, Though It Feels Like The First Time”
As I have said for the past few weeks, this time of year throws up the same situations on an annual basis. The German game convention, Leipzig, provides us with in game footage of PES, and at the same time EA Sports released a glam, high resolution video of their FIFA series, and the casual gaming public are immediately drawn to the better looking product. Everyone who has played the EA Sports title over the past 5 years or so will know that the actual in game footage plays no where near as natural or as smoothly as the promotional video, and this is coming from someone who owns every FIFA since it was released as FIFA International Soccer back in 1993.
Of course, there will be people each year who think that FIFA is making progress, catching up ground on Pro Evolution Soccer, and that soon they will be on a par with game play, and FIFA’s graphics will win over the masses, but again this is just not true. FIFA relies heavily on cut scenes, with goal celebrations being actual videos as opposed to being part of the action, and anyone who has watched the half time highlights packages will vouch for the graphics, whilst still being crisp, not being as sweet as those featured on the videos. PES is consistent, so whilst the starting videos and goal celebrations are not as polished as those from EA Sports, they are exactly the same as the match engine graphics. This means no black screen pauses in-between, and no cut in the action, which is important for many gamers.
When push comes to shove, FIFA 09 will still win over those casual gamers, especially those who want a quick football fix, and don’t care much for tactical knowledge or varying game play. And that is fine; as I am exactly the same if I were playing a game of a sport I wasn’t a huge fan of. For me, EA Sports provide a decent Ice Hockey and Basketball series that I will play. But speaking to fans of the sport, they prefer 2K Sports’ offerings, citing realism as the main difference between the two companies. Many Pro Evolution Soccer fans are true football fans. They are the ones that spend hours editing kits, playing tournaments and changing appearances. In fact, most PES fans over the next two or three days will be in Edit mode updating their transfers, because they love football and they love the game. PES is the football fans choice, and personally, I wouldn’t have it any other way!
Just just a quick note follows this to this FIFA fans that continue to visit this site and slate all things Pro Evolution Soccer. In my experience, there aren’t too many PES fans that go to FIFA sites, mainly because they know which is the superior game, and the fact that FIFA fans are on this site, means they must be slightly worried about the competition!
“Three Lions On Our Shirt”
Some great points made regarding last week’s point about England. Unfortunately, I don’t have time to speak to everyone about their individual topics, but I think the overall feeling, from both foreigners and the English, is the same. There are four or five big name players who just don’t seem to do it for England, and therefore it is time for Capello to be strong, kick them out and make changes for the good of the national team. We didn’t qualify for the last major tournament, with all these players in the team, so what makes us think using the same players will have a different result. It might even be a case of bringing in players who are technically not as good as the Gerrard, Lampard and Rooney club, but who will bring better positional awareness and work well as a unit. The next 9 days sees the first round of World Cup qualifiers, and a battle against the highly rated Croatia. This will give a good indication of how England have progressed, if at all, under Mr. Capello, and will no doubt give more talking points for Interfering With Play in the weeks to come.
“Lets Try This One More Time With Feeling”
In defence of my points regarding Pro Evolution Soccer copying FIFA, with the Be A Pro, Be A Legend mode, I would like to make my reference slightly more clear. I know a few people did not like the implication that I feel Pro Evolution Soccer has copied FIFA, based on the fact that Winning Eleven (the Japanese version of PES) had the game mode before FIFA released it over here. By point about them copying was based on two premises. Firstly, why did Konami not release this feature in PES2008 last year, even if it was only on the PS2 and PSP versions? They had developed a game months before with this mode on, yet failed to include it for Western release. They must have lacked confidence in the game mode, and therefore could have used FIFA’s ‘Be A Pro’ mode to see how it was received in Europe. I have actually experienced Konami’s Fantasy Star Mode on Winning Eleven 2007, and in theory, it works a lot better than FIFA’s variant. Not including it in PES2008 was a huge kop out in my opinion.
Secondly, and again turning upon my knowledge from previous business courses, is regarding branding. In business, a weaker company may latch onto a stronger one in order to try and confuse customers into choosing their product. A prime example being the Penguin chocolate biscuit taking a company to court over using the name ‘Puffin’ and featuring the image of a bird in an identical pose! I am not saying for one second that Konami are the weaker company, but calling the game mode Be A Legend, oozes the feeling they are trying to get FIFA fans to look over and see that PES has a similar game mode. Perhaps Konami will change the title before its actual release, maybe to something like Career Mode or even use the translated Fantasy Star Mode, but the name ‘Be A Legend’ mode does make neutrals see copying from mile off. Yes, the idea was Konami’s first, but now, to the unknowing consumer, it seems they are the ones doing the imitating. At least I hope that clears my point up.
“Where Do You Go, My Lovely?”
This week’s poll is a pretty basic one, and asks the question which console or system you will be purchasing PES 2009 for. The last couple of years, I personally have brought the game on PS3, PSP and PC, but have mainly played the game on PS3. In cases like this, please select the console you will be playing the game on for the majority of the time. By doing this, it will give me and PESGaming.com a good idea of numbers of players, especially regarding online tournaments and option files.
Poll Currently Down: Am Sorting It Over Next 48 Hours!
That’s your lot for this week. As always Interfering With Play is longer than the other columns on the site, but I tend to find I am always struggling to fit all the points in, and don’t wish to shorten the article, at risk of missing something out. I know this may not be everyone’s cup of tea, but at the same time, know that some people enjoy spending their working day reading the site, and the longer the article, the better! Also, a quick note to Steve From Stoke regarding the poll two weeks ago. I personally enjoyed your column, and believe that in spite of the large numbers against it, there are still a lot of people that would enjoy reading it. I stressed my support on it during its first week, (check back if your not sure) and really hope you do continue to write it, as its completely different to anything else on this site! intereferingwithplay@hotmail.co.uk is the place you can e-mail me personally, or add me to msn, and thanks as always to Dave Ostrander for the IWP logo!
Thanks for Reading
1st post
2nd post. any one know if camera angles can be changed on 2009. 1-9
just preorder fifa because pro evo looks **** once again!!! i will buy this game based on the quality of option file people make!!! goose
your interfering with play column is useless. who gives a **** what you think about England. wenb rules
[…] He got Juan Sebastian Veron, which turned out to be a flop, but he also took the man ‘responsible’ for United’s marketing dominance, Peter Kenyon. All this was occurring at the time when United had had a huge money bid accepted by Paris … Original Dan Bolas […]
i think u are right about the poster boy thing because were i live most people hate CHELSEA because they can’t relate to annyone like a BECKHAM OR RONALDO the only face that they think of when they think about CHELSEA is MOURINHO and they thought he was to arrogant altough he was a good coach and ABRAMOVICH who’m they also hated because he’s rich and thinks he can buy everything even a winning team.
as for ENGLAND they really need to give some new players the chance to prove themself because the talent is there so why stick to a formula which doesn’t work so i hope CAPELLO’S balls are big enough to make some good chabges and stop calling people like OWEN,HESKEY and even BECKHAM up for national team duty because they had their time so give others the chance to.
look at what VAN BASTEN did with the NETHERLANDS.
when he started i tought he was nuts by leaving alot of great players out but the results were alot better then most people dreamed of.
as for the FIFA fans we really share the same oppinion because i myself have never been to a FIFA fansite so i can’t understand why if they think their game is that good they hang around here, they can’t use the updated statts they can’t use the appearance threads, they can’t use the option files so what do they want because if the reason is to make us see the light, wel then they must understand that ours shines so bright that they all keep searching for it.
i will be buying PES 2009 for PS3 and i will download the demo from FIFA09 as soon as it’s available to check out why most FIFA fans are so hyped about it because every year it seems to catch up and still comes up short.
i still think that FIFA copied the be a pro from KONAMI but you are right they used it in their game and KONAMI didn’t use it for EUROPE and the STATES so yes marketting wise it does seem the other way around.
Thanks for another great post, some good points mentioned. Id just like to say thankyou for just spending your own time to write such detailed and topic raising posts.
I for one am very excited about pes 2009, and although im not expecting miracles i feel that the edit mode and become a legend mode will be enough to keep me settled for at least a year.
All the best mate and thanks again for the posts.
@ skillbane
“your interfering with play column is useless. who gives a **** what you think about England. wenb rules”
If you don’t enjoy it, don’t read it or comment on it.
i enjoy dan’s blogs and welcome the blogs of other staff members cuz they all have diff views and theme to them, so read or gtfo. anyways, pes goes in ps3 for me, and get rid of jason terry from the england team! :)
@Skillbane:
To speak in your own words:
“your reply to the interfering with play column is useless. who gives a **** what you think about the column.”
I’m not sure Konami “kopped out” by not putting “be a legend” in PES 2008. I really don’t think they didn’t believe it would be a success in Europe. By Seabass’s admission, PES 2008 was unfinished and he had to omit a lot of things that he wanted to include in the game so I personally believe that Konami’s hand was forced on this one. PES 2008 would have been an even bigger shambles if they had used up their time including new game modes when the gameplay and lag wasn’t even sorted out yet. In the meantime FIFA swooped in and nicked their idea.
Great post Dan.
I have to agree with you Peter Kenyon sucks serious donkey dick. I’m a United fan and personally have been much happier with Man U’s transfers since David Gill took over, so Chelsea are welcome to the two faced, back stabbing, Judas git.
His head is very bald and shiny and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he turned out to be a weird alien on the men in blacks list of spinney aliens on earth. Perhaps that’s how he gets people to sign for Chelsea. He’s probably got one of those flashing thingy’s that make people loose their memory, or you can plant new identity’s in them. He probably makes them forget which club they used to play for and plants the false memory in their heads that they have always played for Chelsea.
“your name is Jose Morihnio, you are the special one, you love Chelsea and Fraky Lampard”.
“Ashley Cole, you hate the Arsenal and have always played for Chelski, Muuuwaaahahaha”.
I mean if that’s the case maybe we could try to get him to plant the idea in Frank Lampard’s head of remembering how to play midfield when he pulls on an England shirt.
I think England’s main problem is two players who seem to ruin the whole shape of the team with bad positional play.
One is David Beckham who instead of playing wide right like he’s supposed to, feels the need to constantly come in field and play useless long balls, or cross field balls which give us no advantage. This forces Wes Brown to go charging up the field to try to give England width, then if he loses the ball he has to bust a gut to get back, because Beckham doesn’t cover him and is busy off gallivanting else where on the pitch. I think Real Madrid and L.A galaxy have ruined him as a player, he’s too old and it’s time for someone younger, maybe Wright Phillips or Lennon, to give us some pace to stretch teams down the flanks.
The second culprit is Frank Lampard. He seems totally incapable of playing as a central midfielder in a 4-4-2 formation. His positional play is appalling and he spends most of his time getting in other players way by making the same runs as them or stealing their position.
The main reason Rooney has to drop short alot of the time is because like Beckham, Lampard’s off doing his own thing else where on the pitch, normally up front looking like a little lost lamb who hasn’t got his best pall Didier Drogba to steal loose balls off and then smash them in the net.
That is the only way Lampard knows how to play, his shooting is excellent, probably one of the best in the world on the edge of the box, but his passing is average, his dribbling skill’s are not great and his positional play when asked to play in a 4-4-2 is amateurish.
When Gareth Barry played with Gerrard in the centre a few matches ago England looked good, because Barry and Gerrard know how to play together and if one go’s the other stays.
If you watch lampard when his midfield partner go’s,lampard go’s instead of staying, plus he never offers the right angle’s to his midfield partner so they can play as a team.
I think the central midfield should be out of Gerrard, Barry ,Carrick and Hargreaves, because they play in similar systems week in and week out. Also Lampard never busts a gut to get back and defend, he is a lazy player.
I was hoping Cappelo would realise this after the last game, but no surprise surprise the same two useless git’s are in the squad again and if he plays the same system again we will definitely loose to Croatia.
Perhaps Beckham and Lampard have got their hands on that magic men in black ray and have used it on Cappelo to brainwash him into thinking they can actually play football.
“my name is Franky Lampard, I play for the Chelski I am a great player and can get you free dinner at my best friend Jamie olivers restraunt”. “my name is David Beckham I am the best in the world and my mate Tom Cruise will let you have a go on his hot Mrs whilst mine sucks your balls if you let me play for England.
Honestly I had hoped having an outsider who apparently doesn’t suffer fools lightly as England manager would mean he wouldn’t suffer from the same dogma as the previous incarnations. He started of well but it looks as if the same lampard Beckham disease has got to him, I only hope he realises before it’s too late and we have to spend another national competition watching other country’s play while were no where to be seen.
****in hell m8. too much time on ya hands?
I’ll be buying it on 360 and PSP, although I hated last years PSP version as it was far too quick. Hopefully this’ll be sorted out.
I think Bullards inclusion into the squad should give a number of other hopefuls the drive to break into the England squad too. I personally hope he plays to see if you’re right in the sense having more drive then some of the premadonnas (spelling?)
I liked your business analogy of Penguin bars - I too studied that example and agree with you. However, I personally think the tides have turned and that Pro Evo is actually the bigger brand now. Its the people’s choice, not the money choice.
Unfortunately though, at the end of the day business still comes down to money and thus EA will keep buying up the licences to maintain their brand image of being ‘Mr Authentic’
hmmm, i always liked this column. It was true.. honest. This week however you sold bullcrap. Fans of Pes aren’t more in to the game than fifafans do because they play pes.
It’s just taste. For me Pes always has been the better game but i’m not going to accuse fifa for all that’s bad, because they aren’t, they are just different. It’s not our taste but that doesn’t mean we have it right… or wrong in that matter. Both games are just different.
I expeted a more open,honnest vision on this subject
from you Dan
I am playing PES 08 on my PS3 from the moment it got out …i have 800 ranking games online and god knows how many friendlies… AND OF COURSE I AM GOING TO BUY PES 2009…PREORDER IT THE FIRST DAY ON SHOPTO!!! SO PLEASE PLEAASSSSEEEESE STOP WITH THAT “PES IS NOT GOING TO BE GOOD…GRAPHIC IS NO GOOD I DONT SEE A HAIR ON MY PLAYERS HEAD FROM 50 YARD CAMERA DISTANCE”
PES IS GOING TO ROCK!!!!
guys…..
Its over…. I played Pro evo for ten years… solid every day… I got pes 2008 and within a month was winning 5 and 6 nil on 6star…. online didnt work….
i had a battle with FIFA to get over the psychological battle and then the learning curve of a totally differnt control system…
but guys on the GC vids there were goals going in from 40 yards under the keeper…
its over im afraid….
WENB is the thing as well…
Interfering With Play, like In The Red and Pes Off, are a matter of personal opinion. These people take time out from their personal life to rant whats on their mind in a CONSTRUCTIVE (I cant emphasise this word enough) way.
I hope to god all you idiots giving these guys grief are under 14 because if not I worry for your maturity and mental stability. The internet has given the world a voice and its just a shame that 10% are using it to write an unselfish (it is for yours and my enjoyment after all) intelligent article on their opinions to tide you over till PES2009 comes out and the other 90% are halfwit, inbred, no friends, too much time on their hands c**tflaps.
If you like the article, let Dan know in the comments.
If not (I admit to not being able to relate to some things sometimes but hey, that’s life) then please……look on another site, theres plenty of other Evo fan sites because no-one finds anything you have to say funny and not only are you NOT making Dan, Dougie or Francis look stupid but you’re losing virtual friends to go wherever your real life mates went. F**K OFF for christs sake.
To all the cool people on this site, I apologise for the irony I portrayed of backing my dig at maturity with a barrage of profanity. Now…………..PES2009……………
@Jon: Jon, stay in there! Get a hold of yourself!
I started played PES only from PES4 onwards. And in every single edition: PES4, PES5, PES6, PES2008 succeeded in beating the AI with any team vs any team after MAXIMUM three or four months.
I played FIFA from 1994 until 2005. There I was winning against the COM after two, two and a half months. I found the computer to be a bit weaker in fifa than in pes.
What different control system are you talking about? Fifa08’s control system is 90% the same as PES’. They even changed the key configurations starting with fifa07, so that even the buttons would be the same as in PES. That’s pathetic, IMO. Controling players in FIFA is all about timing. The opponent has a few way he can try to tackle, and you have to dodge those out. After 10 or so games the pattern is quite evident, the schemes predictable.
PES2008 might suck, but it still beats FIFA by far… And online mode is quite decent if you only play against ppl with whom you have a good peering.
Cheers
Lets just forget PES 2008
yo kl blog agree with most of what u say . but the england thing i disagree the only way forward for england is to start from scratch drop every player , EVERY single player is overated and ban the media they kill ur chances before they start .
WE GOT ROBINHO WE GOT ROBINHO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That was a really interesting post. I am always impressed with the latest versions of PES but the 2008 one a little disappointing but still perfectly playable & it’s still my game of choice on my PS3 (even infront of games like COD4 & MGS4). I am constantly hooked on master league & looking forward to see what they have done with that this year & with the return of the in depth edit system again then i feel PES will remain on top of the football game pile.
As for England then i completely agree with what Simon has brought up, Lampard & Beckham both need to go as it is clear that Lampard cannot play in the same team as Gerrard & Stevie G definately needs to play & i would play him with either Barry or Carrick. I feel Downing should get more of a run & play Joe Cole on the right hand side.
As for up front that is a problem as Rooney is not an out & out striker but i think he is probably the best forward England has due to his overall game, who partners him out of Owen, Crouch, Defoe etc is quite a tricky one but i feel a fit Dean Ashton would be good.
the less said bout pes2008 the better! lets look to the future! whos wit me?
Yeh, lets move on & i think 2009 wil be a belter.
not much pes stuff in this weeks article
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pes2009 (ps3) aint no other game i’ll buy in the next year only this one, most games are ok but you get sick to your bollox with them after a week, if a game takes my fancy i’ll rent it 9 times outta 10 i’ll be done with it in a couple of days.. but this is the game ive been buying since iss on the snes.. pro 4 life..
i never get sick of it..
PES 2009 on PS3, the best way to go.
I know! I just played PES 6, and it was just as good as when it was released
LIFELESS BITCHES AROUND HERE I ONLY COME HERE FOR THE NEW DETAIlS ABOUT PES!
Sorry there Dan but that was a load of garbage. What because kenyon left UTD for a bigger challenge hes a back stabber or somethink. That was a needless assault on Kenyon especially when he left one of the most dogey and two faced clubs to ever grace football. some one said that your thorts are structed etc, maybe but that was a rant if i ever saw one. You sound like a sore UTD fan to me. I am a big football fan and Kenyon has never offended me in any way. Kenyon left chelsea for a bigger challenge and more money. But so what isnt that how UTD manage to poach half of thier players i.e. Berbatov. Football opinions matter, but why bother having a go at someone when its obviously not an opinion but its personal (coz you are blatently a UTD supporter).
Steve from stoke, you are having a go at people for having a go at Dan. (two faced). And your basically calling these people immature (’hope your under 14′) and then calling them and i quote “the other 90% are halfwit, inbred, no friends, too much time on their hands c**tflaps”. Very matture that steve. If your gona have a go at people at least dont be so blatently two faced it makes people laf, i was creasin up reading your post you idiot.
make the master league like real life. there is real money like in millions not points and if you are in the spanish league you compete with the spanish clubs . and in the holidays you can send the players to train outside. and you can change the sponsor. and when you connect it to the internet the players improve or get weaker like the real life. and you can compete in the champions league from the time you start the master league.and make the release date before because i am excited.
if you win the chmpions league you make the cup looks like real life and they give you medals. and make the injuries last for long time like 2 months.
make the english league teams with sponsors on the shirt and there real names. if some players transfered to another club and you connect it to the internet he goes to his new club automatically. and if player in the master league got cheaper in real life and you connect it to the internet he gets cheaper in the master league
“FIFA 09 certainly has the legs to outdo PES this year, but whether it also has the flair, pace, and creativity to rival the legendary gameplay of Pro Evo is quite another matter. Many more hours of hands on play will be required to determine this, although our suspicion is that EA Canada still hasn’t quite found the right touch to rival PES with its core gameplay experience.”
Hands on by TVG
Peter Kenyon. Well, you pretty much summed it up. I will only be truly happy, content & fulfilled as a human being when Peter Kenyon is found face down in a Moscow river.
No real rational reasoning, I just don’t like the look of the C**NT! Smarmy looking bastard!
/Waits down dark alleyway in Kings Road!
Still playing PES, still very much in love!
on your point about editing transfers,id rather just update transfers online in 10seconds(like fifa) then spend day after day looking for some youth players from all over europe to add to my option file in pro evo
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hey peeps just saw a video and it showed what leagues where in it and it had the premership and im not sure but it looked like the german league to !!!!! im so excited fast forward to october !!!!!! pro evo for life
where did u see that?
Stephen: a link would have been great. Question…why does the masterleague only have 4 leagues?Seriousy… and why is it that just the our chosen league has a 2nd division? Cmon seabass fix this stuff!!!!!!!
forget about fifa and forget about pes 2008. Pes 2009 is gonna kick ass!
GAMESPOT:
We managed to coax more good news out of Konami: There will be a demo of the game for both the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 in the week of release.
fifa is **** endo!!!