PES Off!! 14 May 2009
Posted by dougiedonut in PES 2009 News on Thu 14 May
I’d like to kick off this week’s article with a quick look to Dan’s IWP this week about the new Messi screenshot released by Konami. By the way – some of you may be under the impression that it was released to WENB exclusively, but that is not the case. Konami have been issuing the screenshot to many different sources, ourselves included.
Anyway, Dan basically questioned whether the screenshot released was just “..taken from a cut scene or entrance video, and could actually in no way represent the graphics of the end product.”
Jon Murphy, PES Team Leader at Konami read this article and had the following to say, which I can exclusively reveal:
“I totally understand why Dan and members are questioning whether the screenshot we’ve released is in-game or not. However I can confirm this has been taken from a machine running dev code. I saw for myself the lighting techniques and new textures actually running on test kit when I recently visited Japan. The screenshot WEP has released is genuine and has not been rendered.”
Whilst I totally understand the cautionary nature of Dan’s statement, it’s very heartening to hear directly from Jon to let us know that it is the real deal!
Personally speaking, the screenshot has really got my imagination going wild! I have to say that I have a new found optimism in the forthcoming game, primarily brought about by the unprecedented level of openness that we now have from Konami. We can safely say that our cries and pleas are not falling on deaf ears, and that we’re truly being valued.
The next couple of months should help consolidate our optimism for the series. These are indeed exciting times!
Thank you guys for the comments to my article last week – it’s great to see idea generation and open mature debate on the subject. It’s good to see that we agree that goalkeepers should have a life of their own, and not be as passive in their abilities are they generally are in all football games – the complaints against current goalkeepers isn’t aimed solely at PES.
As we are now well and truly into the current generation of super consoles, we have much higher expectations from football games, and quite rightly so. PES on the PS2/Xbox had peaked by PES6, and were fantastic games. But even Konami back then were talking about architectural limitations hindering the progress of the series. But now that isn’t an issue anymore, we should expect truly groundbreaking representations of the game, and judging from the Messi screenshot, PES2010 should see the dawn of the new era in football games.
As some of you may recall, my primary gaming machine was the 360, but I’ve now moved on to the PS3. I never did hear from Major Nelson about Microsoft allowing option files to be edited in a controlled manner.
So as a result, I decided to move to the PS3 to allow myself to take full advantage of the PS3’s editing abilities for PES. I have to say I am a complete beginner with editing files on the PS3 and not very good at it. I got hold of an option file via our Editing Forums, but found it a bit of a pain having to copy across files individually to the system. I was expecting to just copy over a folder into a set location, and job done. In fact, even having copied the files over, I haven’t done anything else with them.
Part of this has been down to being blatantly lazy – with so many games and so little time, I haven’t been able to dedicate that much time to the editing side of PES. But if there is any helpful tips you guys could give me in terms of instructions on how to go about modifying the option files, that would be very much appreciated. I have already looked in our forum pages for help, but haven’t been too successful with it. I do want to pull my finger out and get to grips with editing on the PS3, since that was the primary reason for ditching my 360 in favour of the PS3!
Finally a note to the real Amateur – we’re discussing user logins for leaving comments on the site.
I understand your frustration at the fake Amateur, but I have been reluctant to delete the comments or ban the individual because they’ve not written anything offensive (although you are clearly offended by them spoofing with your ID.) so it’s no harm done in the bigger picture. We should have a resolution on this matter shortly.
Thanks for reading
Dougiedonut
(dougiedonut@pesgaming.com)
1st
I dont think I will be getting PES 2010 straight away this year, I play gears more than 2009, been totally let down
User Logins would do the job… but at the same time, maybe it isn’t something PESGaming should be doing.Or perhaps it would be actually better, I have no idea.
But what I can say is that one of the reasons I started posting comments in this site was because of the easy-to-use system. There’s a lot of freedom in PESGaming and IMO this is what differentiates PESGaming from other sites.
Problem is that many people take advantage of that freedom, and they start posting BS after BS after BS… it’s a bit unfair that One person starts having a laugh at the expense of serious/mature members.
Perhaps User Logins are not the best alternative… maybe it’s better to simply delete the comments of people posing as someone they’re not, etc, etc…
And yeah, Konami are really showing more commitment towards the community, which is awesome. I think it’s great that Jon Murphy actually responded to the PESGaming community. Hopefully this is the start of a better more consistent relationship, if you can call it that.
It’s not empty words anymore, the Messi pic really showed that Konami is for real this year. Plus the fact that Konami has actually responded to the feedback, it shows a level of commitment that will prove beneficial in the end product.
Hopefully, Jon Murphy will also take notice of other things… like the excellent idea that Dan Bolas explained last week, about updating the outdated Arrows concept.
But other than that, it’s a relief that Konami are finally listening to their fans/customers.
Great to see a member of Konami get back to the site re the Messi pic so quickly! From the things I’ve read and the comments from Jon Murphy, it really seems that Konami are trying to massively improve PES this year and are really listening to what the fans want. :)
I’ve got really high hopes for PES 2010!!
Post 3 was not me.
It is some idiot trying to copy my ideas.
Hopefully logons will become available soon as this site looks pathetic with its ongoing issues in your articles and dans.
We’ve got to have a login option available, or you cannot post a comment. It’s tiresome to read these comments to only find out 10 of the posts are fakes. Then 10 of the responses are just the true user identifying himself.
Anyways I’m very optimistic with all of the info coming from Konami already in regards to PES 10.
WENB had the exclusive for 4 hours and confirmed it was ingame ages ago so there was no need for that pointless article about it being a render, WENB is a much better run site
@ 7
I agree, WENB is a much better site than this. You guys cannot even prevent idiots who continually take the piss when they use my user name! Sort it out. By the way post 3 was not me. I cannot believe I continually have to tell you guys what posts are mine and not mine.
I loved the screenshot of messi and the detail which looks amazing.I purchased both pes 2009 and fifa 09 and both games have their faults. I am hoping that pes2010 delivers this year as always loved the series.I agree with alot of the genuine regular users who make this site an enjoyable place to have debate,comments and ideas.keep good work up
Regarding logins. Empire (Movie website) have a very good system, once you’ve logged in it’s very similar to this one without the whole name stealing shenanigans.
They should just number them and have your signature below the post.
I think the two Amateurs problem is hilarious. Sorry Amateur, but I’ve honestly never seen something so funny on a blog site in my life. It’s like “I’M ON SETANTA SPORTS” but with The Amateur 1 instead fo The Special 1. If it was happening to me, though, I don’t think it would be as funny… But maybe I can be the boy Rooney…
As for the pic, yeah, I never doubted it was real. The one thing I have to say though is that I’m not getting my hopes up. That’s the way I approached PES 09, and I’m still enjoying it to this day (lost a big match to Arsenal last night in ML and still fuming…), so I won’t get hyped for 2010 either.
The one thing that I am hyped about is the over-arching changes to Konami’s attitude and the changes and growth within the development team. It seems there has been an evolution there this year as well, and for me that’s the biggest and best news so far. They even have added a “future dev” group, which is great to hear. In other words, they’re already working on 2011, and beyond… What this means, to me, is that those who hated PES 09 so much (in the beginning especially) are about to eat the words “PES 2010 will be rubbish, Konami have no future, FIFA is going to cause Konami to quit, etc, etc…”
Clearly, Konami do care, they’re in it for the long haul, and for those like me who don’t expect every little thing to be perfect, the future most definitely looks bright.
“Stay Champions.”
@ Dave O
It is funny… but at the same time kinda ruins the vibe.
And yeah, definitely, the biggest news is that Konami is actually interacting with their fans. Hopefully this is the 1st of many.
I gotta be honest, if PES 2010 is not better than PES5 and PES6 – I will be disappointed. I’m expecting the best PES title to date.
And in my opinion, the Game should at the very least add a couple of New Special Abilities and Stats. It’s about time.
Though judging by the press release, PES 2010 will have the same out of date Stats and Special Abilities. Hopefully it haves a New Concept that can define further differences between Individuals and Teams.
It really feels weird that Konami is actually responding to our feedback.
Does it really matter if it is fake? So what if someone uses your name? just ignore it. There is no reason for logins. I’m quite happy that I can come here a post whenever with ease. I don’t think anyone really cares if an ‘Amateur’ comes here and posts something stupid. Get over it. Fact is the real Amateur is post a bunch of **** not related to PES. He’s too concerned with someone using his name.
@ 14
That was not me again, why would you try to be me and then slate me? A bit obvious don’t you think.
Maybe people are jealous of me and my superior views. That is what I think anyways.
I dont think 15 is amateur either…
amateur dont worry about it we can normally tell if its u or not by the way you write
if riquelme dosent get a special mention then its probably not the real amateur.
Amateur, deberias incluir un poco de espanol en tus comentarios, asi no podrian tratar de hacerse pasar por ti.
Riquelme came round to my house last night and we watched videos of me playing for my youth side, we also had a game or two of PES 6….he was crap!
@ 19, LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!
PES 2010 looks good.
Probably won’t be though.
Lost the faith…
But hoping for a Master League revamp =D
same old sh!t different year
I must say that I do enjoy playing Pro Evolution Soccer…when I’m not Burgalarising turds
@23 lol
You got me there!! Although, i prefer to wrap a spaniel’s ear round my dinky and masturbeat to epic sounds of Enya!
Allow the stupidness Amateur.
WTF!!!
Thing about me is that, I don’t think you’ll find another Football Amateur like myself anywhere else,
I play Real Football, I have played against Professional Footballers and also at Amateur Level. I can still Dribble Past Professional Defenders with relative ease, and I have more than enough talent to play at Professional Level.
But many conflicts and misfortunes robbed me of the opportunity to play professionally. Nothing that I regret very much, because there are so many things one can do — this is nothing unusual, as I’m sure many of you do play Football.
But the thing about me is that I’m very meticulous and critical about everything: about Music, Architecture, Film, Football… and even Football Sims like PES.
There was a time when I did have enough spare time to play Football and then spend a couple of hours playing PES, amongst other things. Without having to worry about my economic situation, or university: Great Times!!
And because of my curious nature I started analyzing PES more closely: What makes it so Addictive?? What makes it so Realistic? How can it improve even further?
I started noticing more flaws, and I simply started putting on paper what I thought could improve the game.
Player Likenesses are one of the things that had a lasting impression on me, PES5 really impressed me, it was The first Football Simulation that I considered any good… and to this day it still feels “fresher” than either PES09 or PES6.
And because of the great “player likenesses” my interest in “Football Simulation” grew. So I started asking myself How could it improve even further?? And why is it so addictive and realistic?
I realized that in order to answer those questions it would be necessary for me to expand my knowledge on Football. Because although I did have my fair share of experience, and although I did know that Pele and Maradona are supposed to be the “greatest” players ever…
I had never really seen Pele or Maradona playing Football, I was just a “Casual Viewer” amongst The Audience. I didn’t understand Football as well as I could. So in order to change that I decided to actually watch all the Football Footage there is to see.
So I started watching Classic Football Matches: the 1970 World Cup, 1974 World Cup, 1986 World Cup, 1994 World Cup, all the way to the 2002 World Cup.
And for some reason, probably because of PES5, when I was watching the footage I noticed many “details” about Football that I had never really noticed before. Perhaps PES5 was such an accurate simulation that I actually learned things by just playing it.
One thing is certain, my disposition as a viewer was better as I was noticing many details that I had never noticed before. Which was a treat because I could further appreciate just how great Pele was, and how amazing Maradona was.
Eventually… my interest in “Football Matches” was replaced by an interest in Individuals.
So I started watching actual Match Footage of great players like: Maradona, Pele, Johan Cruijff, George Best, Romario, Ronaldo, Roberto Baggio, Van Basten, Carlos Valderrama, Franco Baresi, Franz Beckenbauer, Claude Makelele, and many others.
And when you actually watch Complete Match Footage of those players, you actually learn new things about the game, and you start noticing all the little details in Football.
You compare Pele with Maradona, you will find important differences between them, but in order to understand such differences you have to actually experience it firsthand.
You compare Riquelme with Zidane, plenty of obvious similarities… but when you compare them more closely, you start noticing more and more differences, differences that you only get to see when you have the right disposition as a “viewer” and part of an Audience.
With the right disposition, you learn to see and understand the “details” that defined the Greatest Exponents of Football. The details that define Football as a sport, it is a collective effort after all.
* All this talk?? Does it haves anything to do with Pro Evolution?
It haves everything to do with Pro Evolution… everyone knows about the “fluid gameplay” of PES5, but something that’s casually overlooked is the very accurate “Player Likenesses”.
PES5 was The 1st game to really elaborate on “Player Likenesses”. When you controlled Zidane he actually felt like his real-life counterpart… the level of detail in the Dribbling and when Passing the ball was amazing for its time.
The Differences between “Dribbling Slowly” and “Sprinting with the Ball” where perfect at the time, and still pretty amazing today. It was a very intelligent game for its time, with plenty of depth and substance.
PES5 is still a good Football Game Today. And in order to criticize it, you must 1st have a good understanding of Football. Otherwise you could make a fool of yourself. It would be like criticizing a fantastic piece of music without actually understanding that piece of music.
So it isn’t easy to improve on it and make an even better game, it isn’t easy… and this is why it is necessary to take a really close look at Football, and at How Football has changed through the years.
Because although Football is Different Today, when you look back at things… many qualities about it remain the same.
I have gained a lot of great experiences from Football, and have tried my best to understand it. I will not say that I know better than most of you, I won’t say that I know more about Football than any of you…
But something I can say is that I did bothered to take a closer look at all the Football Footage there is to see. I took the time required to take a very close look at Football and its Greatest Exponents. And I learned loads of things in the process.
One of the advantages of “YouTube” –IF- used properly, you can learn plenty of things that aren’t available to you by other means.
Long story short: I think PESGaming would benefit if I could have my own column. I think I could add something else to PESGaming.
Other than that… I’m happy with my current “regular” member status and I have no intentions of replacing DD, because DD has done lots of positive things for this forum.
But I really appreciate the recognition that I’m getting, and although critical of PES09 I really want the series to return to its former glory.
Let’s be honest, many of us are here -NOT- because of PES08 or PES09, but because of PES5 and PES6.
PS – My apologies to anyone who might be offended by the long “rant”.
I have never seen such an odd post, nor have I ever seen such flagrant needless and inappropriate overuse of capitalisation.
Weird.
Also, Dave O’s post #12 makes some excellent points regarding reasons to be cheerful, for those of us who don’t expect perfecton because it’s a subjective term and on that is continually advancing anyway. I too have noticed this apparent shift in approach, more interaction with community etc – it is heartening and the real, underlying reason to be optimistic, not some pretty pixels, It is almost as if they have finally started to grow up as a company. At times, Konami, generally, has had a ‘head in sand’ approach to game development. Sometimes they’ve hit, in spectacular fashion, but many times they have failed. Ultimately, these failures have been due to occasional demonstration of small-minded thinking, lack of foresight or consideration for clients, and failure to bring game making into the modern internet-led era. Community is huge, huge, huge, for all game makers – those with any sense. Finally Konami seems to be seeing that this is the way forwards. It just took them 10 years or so.. if you look at games like Unreal Tournament, where they included editors from day one, knowing full well it would be a tool to make the game last and ultimately grow, it was ages ago. A different genre, but some of the same things apply. Valve have also modelled progressive thinking and customer-led development etc for a while, to good effect.
Let’s hope it isn’t a false dawn; let’s see those bright rays of positive steps spill over into the PES valley.
I’m sorry for that last post guys – I really do drone on about myself a little too much.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB148BoxboQ
This is plain out ridiculous.
How in hell is One person allowed such a thing, for almost 3 weeks now. Something must be done.
It started out a bit funny. But now I’m really taking offense by all the BS going my way. It’s a disgrace.
And please, to the flake who wishes he was me, I suggest you do something better with your time. It really isn’t healthy, the level of immaturity… it’s ridiculous and shouldn’t be allowed on PESGaming.
Also @ Rob, Post 29.
I couldn’t care less about whatever you think about the post or the capitalization, or me for that matter.
Whether people are stealing your name or not, you make a tit of yourself by freaking out about it. Sure, it might be a spot annoying, but it’s hardly a big deal. You’re incredibly over defensive.
You’re over defensive.
But I still respect you.
@ Rob 33
The truth is people are constantly stealing my name, and yeah I do agree with you that it is a “big deal.” I never make a “tit” of myself, I am simply expressing my concern. It is a disgrace that in this day and age that people can speak BS and pass it off as myself. Btw post 32 was not me, given that someone now uses the name of “The Real Amateur” even though he is not!
Amateur, you’re playing into this idiot’s hands by constantly expressing your annoyance.
I’m afraid this person has successfully exploited the system here to cause mischief. And it looks like they have enough time and energy to keep going with it long after it became old.
So I suggest you get yourself a new name and make sure the guys from PES gaming know your IP address and when they hopefully implement logins, they will let you sign up as ‘Amateur’.
It aint’ ideal but what can you do until we get logins?
@ 36
I am not. I am simply clearing my name in the hope that the administrators will take action on the issue. If I do not express my concerns then everybody will think that my posts are irrelevant. I would like to think that I contribute valid points on this site.
37 was not me, its another imposter!
@ 37
Wise up seriously! Quit the act and just let us get on with discussing important stuff relating to Pro Evo…
Amateur the sensible ones on this site can tell which posts you wrote anyway so i wouldnt worry about whoever this saddo is. Im at an extreme loss as to why someone is taking the time to do this anyway!! and whoever it is stamping on your head would make me feel so much better!! sad twat!
@ 40
Thanks Steve. I know I take this pretty seriously but it just annoys me that people can speak such BS about me.
A nice glossy graphic is one thing, radically improved gameplay will be another.
Amateur you sure do leave a lot of posts on this website!!! ;)
I thought that the bloggers had the capabilities to see correct IP addresses. If that’s true then hopefully they’ll delete the retards with fake names.
Amateur wtf? You have effectively ruined every bit of relevant debate on this site with your pointless posts. I know someone is copying your posts but if you persist to make irrelevant points e.g. saying things like “that last post was not me” then you are wrecking the credibility of the site.
So what if someone is using your name, get over it and just change it. You do not deserve to be a me,ber of this site.
Post 27?! wtf was that all about?
i’m really Amateur, i love ranting about stats and
riquelme so i must be the realy real Amateur
WTF is this. I am the real amateur and i can confirm for the past two weeks none of the amateur posts have been myself, i have been on holiday for those two weeks and therefore inactive on this site. I would like to make it clear to the mob of fradulent imposters that i am discontinuing the use of the amateur account, in favour for an account name probably revolving around giving riquilme a reacharound. So, the remaining posts under the name of amateur, i can safely say, are artificial to my opinion.
Thanks.
I have never been as disgusted in my life Amateur. And to think that you used to be a respected member of the site and was going to have an article.
Shame on you
@ Post 46
Another BS wrecking my credibility. There is no way that I will lose this name as I am well known in the forums with it. Please Dan ban the messers!
the ‘real’ amateur, don’t listen to the bullsh*t coming back at you,your items are always solid and full of valid points, and i believe there are about 4 or 5 people on here using amateur as login to argue with each other. rather odd if you ask me and nothing to do with pro evo as far as i can see!
By the way, on topic i can’t wait for pro evo again, love all the build up and love the messi shot.
I am tired of this! We must be the laughing stock of the Pes community. WENB is way more professional, cheers mates
It’s obvious by now but… about 90% of the Amateur Posts around here aren’t the ‘Real’ Amateur. That much is obvious.
“That Post was not me” – That’s the same asshole answering his own rubbish.
Anyways…
Pro Evo 2010 really looks promising and the fact that Konami is listening will make all the difference.
I’ve been watching some videos of the Wii version, and it looks like a very addictive and challenging game. Maybe Konami could implement some Wii elements into the PS3/360 versions.
Has anyone played the Wii version of PES?? Does it haves any flaws?
PESGAMING,
Why are you so cynical towards WENB? They, like all us PES fans, want a collective community so our voice can be better heard. Making comments like “Some think WENB got it first blah blah” just makes you look jealous of their site. Pesgaming, PesFan, WENB all should be working together to cultivate a relationship to better give “US”, the people that make your website run, a voice to be heard so Konami know what they need to do to create a fun and fulfilling footy game.
Peace
“I understand your frustration at the fake Amateur, but I have been reluctant to delete the comments or ban the individual because they’ve not written anything offensive (although you are clearly offended by them spoofing with your ID.) so it’s no harm done in the bigger picture. We should have a resolution on this matter shortly.”
I hope the solution comes sooner rather than later. People attempting to steal my name is ruining the credibility of this site. I have faith that the Administrators will sort these BS’s out. I am getting quite sick of it.
What has happened to the site!? WENB will be laughing heartily at this sites inability to sort out a simple logon issue. This site is really pathetic!
I havent played PES for months, infact i may just sell it. I may aswell try and get a tenner for it now than wait a few months for PES2010 anget a fiver for it by trading it in then. I have loved PES for years but sadly i just do not get it anymore.
Its like playing with Robots rather than footballers.
And yes, this year i prefer FIFA, i am sure some of you will slate me and tell me to use a FIFA forum but the fact is, like i’ve mentioned, i have loved PES for years. I really do hope 2010 gets PES back on form, but i’m not expecting it anymore to be honest.
As for this whole Amatuer thing, it is quite funny but i do feel slightly sorry for the real Amateur lol.
The previous replies again are someone else talking BS. NONE of my posts have credibility.
See? This is how they should make a game. Go back to the drawing board and innovate. Hopefully they’ll come up with something that will knock us off. I’ve been buying fifa for 2 years now but I honestly think this time i’ll have a hard time choosing.
Amateur has been posting on WENB lately so the amateur which said that he went on holiday seems to be fake, not totally sure.
One thing is that this site doesn’t seem to talk about Pes anymore as WENB does, about 558 posts on the messi screenshot is a whole load and all of them are about Pes 10 and no BS like this amateur thing. All the posts are friendly and on topic unlike this website, i hope pes gaming can get on track again which im sure will happen when new Pes 10 news arrives.
:-)
Oh, why did we have to go to a PES Gaming vs PES place…….
We’re all on the same side…. I think the guys at WEBN get a bit excited and use the term ‘exclusive’ in the broadest sense- even if it means they get it just hours before anyone else. But I think they’re just excited, not gloating or being competitive…
Can we not start comparing.
ooooops I mean “a PES GAMING vs WENB place”!!!
d’oh, if I’m going to sound self righteous, I should really read my post before pressing send!!:)
WENB is a much better site than this sham.
I haven’t contributed for long, but it does seem the comments are primarily left by jokers and morons. I’m in the latter category, of course.
Can we please stop this madness. Post 63 is BS. What condescending idiots!
wow i cant beleive konami actualy replied to the fans this is great news shows that they are finaly listening by the pes2010 looks amazing lets just hope its plays as good as it looks
I have to say, this fake Amateur business is hilarious.
Glad to see that Konami are still taking us into account. I’d hate to see all these ‘intelligent’ comments fall on deaf ears.
Wahahahahaha at all these ‘Amateurs’
Finally everyone else has seen how much of an annoying, repetitive prick he is.
Post 27 deserves a round of applause, must of taken you a while to put together but it was worth it haha
LOL at the Amateurs!
Classic!
I think all the Amateurs are actually the real one looking for attention. If his point is not well received then he can blame it on a so called fake “Amateur.”
THE REAL AMATEUR IS RESPONSIBLE FOR BRINGING THIS WEBSITE INTO DISREPUTE!!
This community is apparently more interested in “Amateur” than the actual game. I have been ignoring the BS going my way for almost a Month now, and I have decided that it isn’t worth it, there are better options.
By the way Paulo, Posts 47 and 73 – are you Wamateur posting under a different name?? It’s funny how you don’t have anything better to do or to say. Or perhaps you’re just dumb… I really don’t know, nor care.
I feel humiliated by all this, and I feel it is completely undeserved. Don’t expect me back in this rubbish community.
Not that I or anyone cares for that matter. Trust me, I really don’t, I have better things to do with my time. There are better options like WENB.
My only very-slight regret is that I stayed here thinking things would change -and- instead, look at it now… it’s a mess. User Logins are needed in PESGaming, I hope the last 3 weeks serve as proof.
Wish all the best to DD and Dan Bolas, and I’m looking forwards to the next couple of Surveys.
Yawn. i can’t believe how dull the comments sections are.
Okay, lets ignore the Amateur business.
On a serious note, is this community more focused on seeing a better Online focus or on PES’ actual core elements of the game this year such as the Master League being revamped?
I for one love the Master League and would love to see this seriously improved.
Cant wait.
If you do not care Amateur why raise the point? and wtf is “wamateur?” You only have yourself to blame for this anyway, nobody respects you and it is seen in this forum.
Good riddance
Online is an integral part of the future for PES. The inclusion of the Champions League in Master League is a good one and a relief.
This site is slowly crumbling under the weight of these impostors. This site is about PES and not me, for that I apologise.
I apologise and will ensure that no more references will be made about personal grievances on this site.
Lets get back to all things PES, we as fans can make a difference if we all pull in the same direction.
“The real Amateur”
What’s the rubbish I read here in this article? WENB is much more professional than this charade.
This is just ridiculous!!
The people who cant tell the difference between the real amateur’s posts and the fake ones are just as dumb as the losers who are posting them…unless you’re new to this site…then its understandable.btw its posts 32 and 64.and its not that funny anymore, its just immature and sad.
DD and Dan, you guys really need to sort this mess out.Allowing almost an entire comments section to be bombarded with this rubbish not only leaves a bad impression for this site, but also for Konami.
WENB > Pesgaming, why all the jealousy from the owners of this site you should respect WENB for their unbelievable progress over the last few years instead of hating on them! Also what have they done to warrant these sort of comments, hopefully you guys will admit WENB is a superior site and at least be more courteous towards them.
Dont you think its funny how all the dd out talk has gone (deleted) but yet DD doesnt delete all these immature fake posts about amateur the 1 man people were wanting to replace him.
Maybe just maybe double d = fake amateur
think about it? everyone was getting angry with the government over the credit crunch so what do they do, give you something else to talk about SWINE FLU.
I agree with one of the above comment about how this post compared to WENBs shows the vast gap that lies between the two sites. On WENB theres 39 pages of fantastic responses to the Messi pic and on this post it’s just a load of rubbish about some amateur guy. For me it just shows why Konami are heavily linked with WENB because they are a serious fansite who respect the other communities and their members actually reply with serious comments. That of course is down to Adam and Suff and all of the other staff who are constantly on the site reading and posting thier views and more importantly they respect you guys. So DD and Dan you could learn a fair bit from Adam and Suff.
Why does eeryone feel the need to compare WENB and this? Who cares? Use whichever you think it best, or just use both. Why bother with this frankly bizarre rivalry? Clearly most normal people wouldn’t bother to visit one just to slag off the other, so it’s probably just a few idiots. It does rather ruin things, so I suppose that – given the situation – I support logins as well. They shouldn’t be needed, though. The creators and admin of this site shouldn’t have to babysit and be forced to act differently just because the PES community seems to be incredibly immature. It’s sad.
Rob good post mate, i feel the need to comapare the two because they are both PES fansites. Don’t get me wrong i appriciate everything that both sites do for the fans as its clear to see both sites put the effort in to ensure us PES fans get news and so on. I just wish that the PES communities could come together instead of little snide comments coming from this blog … ‘By the way – some of you may be under the impression that it was released to WENB exclusively, but that is not the case.’ Was there any need for that comment when WENB have clearly said they have the exclusive.
Perhaps not – I’m not informed as to any deals that may be in place, and how much ad revenue etc is at stake for the highest profile site. I’m not naive enough to think these things might not play a key part in the maintenance of the site and motivations of those running them. While they serve the PES community and do good work, individuals may often have slightly less than altruistic motivations, from financial or other reward to perceived status etc. So I suppose competition is fair enough, but direct reference may be a bit out of place and the moronic comments that blight this post and others (’WENB is so much more professional’ etc etc) are senseless.
I feel myself compelled to give my view on the whole issues of people copying my login. Although I had earlier said that I would not be using this site again I feel it necessary to give my opinion because if I leave then the BS’s out there have won! And well I learned throughout life not to let that happen.
I hope in the next IWP Dan will provide clarity on the logon issue so that we can clear out the people who have nothing better to do but to cause havoc on this site. I agree with Rob that it should not be needed but given the extremity of the situation it may be needed. My only worry with logons is that less debate will be initiated as a result of the weekly articles as the website is inevitably less accessible to the everyday user.
I apologize that it has come to this, but I like everybody else has a right to be respected without being ridiculed at every opportunity. If things are not sorted, then I think the easy solution it just to change my username in these forums.
Rob fantastic post again, I must say that now I was quite hasty in my previous comments, your views are spot on mate, hopefully you will become more established within the PES community as you seem to know what you are talking about and you are quite level headed.
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Well thanks. There are plenty of people with some excellent thoughts and things to say within this community, as I’ve read over the years without contributing too much – which is why it’s so important to try to cut ou the crap!
All of theis amateur business was funny to start with, now its got stupid. in DD or Dans post it said that you wasn’t going to do anything because the posts left were non offensive – now they have started getting offensive so this needs sorting.
Yes I agree whole heartedly. In order for this site to progress, the “crap” needs to go. We need to get rid of the messers on this site. This is a forum for debate on pro evolution issues, not on who is the real Amateur or indeed whether or not WENB is better than this site. I plan to contribute more to this site. I now feel it is more important than ever due to the level of immaturity on the site. If we members who are actually more interested in pes issues then we all need to contribute to voice down the immature ones. Needs to be done!!!
Well said Rob, it’s good you are planning to contribute more because as i said before you know what you are talking about and it’s people like you sites like this need because you are all about PES and nothing else, thats the way it should be!
Post 88 was not me,please grow up guys,its not even funny anymore.
Haha! Genius, fake Rob.
@ Post 96
Have you nothing better to do than copy another persons name and write such a pointless comment?
This amateur thing needs sorting out its beyond ridiculous!
lol, everyone gets stressed at Amateur saying “i know people are copying you, but stop freaking out about it”
i dont think he is, its people pretending to be him getting annoyed, so it seems real.
you can usually tell which are his, he writes properly, not like the bellend in that super long post lol. With All The Caps in really Wierd places.
then again, i take back my words. i think its quite fun and thrilling to have these sort of comments on our site!
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@ post 99
That so called “bellend” in the “super long post” i.e. post 27 was written and composed by me but copied from another article by the fake Amateur. So if I were you I would refrain from making such rash and unjustified assumptions since you obviously do not have a clue what you are talking about.
Post 88 is funny.LOL
You can choose to exploit all the flaws in the game, in which case you’ll win almost every match. Or you can chose to actually “play” the game like it was intended to be played.
In terms of exploiting flaws within the game, that requires skills… But the issue that I have with it is that I find it extremely boring. I’m very good at exploiting all the flaws, but it’s just boring and unrealistic.
And this is why IMO the game is more about Luck, and less about Skills. Because when you play the game properly, Luck haves more weight than actual Skills.
I think that if we could manipulate How the Momentum Flows throughout a game… I think that would add a whole new level of depth into the gameplay. Because “off-the-ball” movement is directly linked with the “momentum shifts”.
Problem is that (currently) we have no control over the “momentum shifts” -and- then all of a sudden, our Team’s off-the-ball movement turns to **** for no particular reason.
And off-the-ball movement is Key in Football, without it we cannot do anything. Sure we always get to ‘manually’ control One player… but what determines How the other 9 players move off-the-ball??
I think we need Off-the-Ball Stats or in other words Tactical Stats… to fix some long-standing flaws. It isn’t fair nor realistic that Messi haves the same “Defensive Awareness” as Claude Makelele.
And alongside the New Tactical Stats, Konami should also develop a New Concept for the “momentum shifts”.
If we could manipulate the “momentum shifts” throughout the game, I think that would prevent players from exploiting the flaws within the game. Which would make for a much better/realistic challenge.
I think “momentum shifts” should be The Top Priority for Konami, they must/should give us more control over it. And also over the Tactical game, which is something that Konami already mentioned in their press release.
Plus the obvious improvements; Animations and Movements, Passing, Graphics, etc, etc…
Please MODS, BAN the IP of the spammers!
will the real Amateur please stand up?
im standing! stop using my name!
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