Reviews here, there, everywhere!
Posted by francis in PES 2009 News on Sat 17 Oct
Hey guys; Firstly I’ll be putting up my more extended review tomorrow as I simply have too much on today – my apologies for that. To keep you going here’s a little review posted in the comments section, so all credit to ‘jimmyboots’ for it.
http://www.totalvideogames.com/PES-2010/review-14663.html
On the other hand, here’s a more favourible review:
http://en.onsoftware.com/pro-evolution-soccer-2010-review-a-return-to-form/
first!
King is Back
Everywhere except here.
Why do you link to that retarded review of the game, instead of linking to some of the better and unbiased reviews made by other medias? :)
Post the links here and I’ll put them up :P
How much were EA paying him?
Dusnt matter what anyone tells me the day of work is booked 9 oclock i will be outside gamestation in bootle pro evo is mine allll mine ha ha ha seriousley tho reviews have sounded a bit dodgy tbh
I know, lets all ignore the bad reviews and just read the good ones… does anyone have a set of blinkers.
@Scouser
Day booked off work too but it’s all about the 24 hour Asda……….
Based to the improvement konami had done, i think we should rate them at least 8/10 or above.
I know the old school animations still remain…But i don’t think is easier or enough time to put the new animation engine to the game , since a lot of improvement in revamp master league, graphics and 360 movement. As we can see fifa10 using the same animations engine but tweak the respond time and they got 8.5 or 9/10. But other than that, we can see any improvement from fifa10, i know they have the new virtual pro mode, but this new features come with those bugs and you must be online user to enjoy this new featues. Is seems EA satisfy with what they had earn from 09..
In terms of gameplay, pes2010 received the bad review or bad rating from various game website….What the fxxx….all this are nonsense……in other way they also compared or praise the fifa 10 game play in pes review..Good game play….fluid…responsive….realism….I DON’T THINK ALL THESE GUYS UNDERSTAND WHAT WE CALL FOOTBALL…..Where you can see fluid football in this reality world… slow represented realism???What a joke……
For me, based to the preview code and demo. pes 2010 derseve to get 8/10 or above. We can see konami has listen to the fans….But please give them some room..i don’t think konami able to fulfill all the demand…
Come home dad!!!
Francis go home
@11
haha nice one
All my coments were banned
And i didnt say anything bad
@ francis
I liked your earlier post. You gave a review (your opinion) based on your experience with the game thus far. It was clear and straight to the point. From where i stood you said it just as you felt.
This link to the so called PES review was far far from what i’d expect after reading your article(in comparison). This was more a Fifa vs PES review rather than a PES review. I dont agree with everything the writer says because it just sounded like he/she wrote the review based on a short time with the game and a pre conceived perception. And most notably a great deal of focus on the negatives. What made me doubt the quality of the review what his/her score for Longevity. Tells you everything. (Has he not noticed the existence of ML, oh and the whole new community mode).
Nonetheless great work you guys are doing here…
Oh you posted a better review?What happened?
@16 good post
francis francis francis,you admittedly played fifa for the last year. you ve panned this years offering of pes yourself and now your posting this less than generous reveiw,ultimately kicking the title when its down.now i m not having a go, everyone s entitled to an opinion and i know yours is an educated one but i do perhaps think its time for you to cut ties with this site as your heart now lie s elsewhere and perhaps its only your friendships with dougie d and dan(who still live and breathe the game)that holds you back. i may be totally wrong and if i am just delete this post but answer this if both games play at the same level on line which title will you be playing for the next12 months?
The reviews in general has been quite good, with fifa10 having getting a bit better reviews than pes2010. But at the end of the day, a review is just one persons opinion of a game. If that person is and has always been a fifa lover, of course pes will get a bad review. Also if that person doesn’t really know much about football, and doesn’t play football games much it influences a great deal that fifa is more simple and easy going. Also the fact that reviewers have had fifa for about a month now, and maybe have been getting used to fifa gameplay it can tend to be a huge turnoff jumping to another fottball game which plays differently.
Reviews are good at giving some idea on what it is all about on the surface – and thats about it.
I think Fifa10 is a decent game, but for me it just lacks variety in every way. Players feel the same, teams play the same and there is a strict recipe on how to play fifa if u want to win. Just pass the **** out of the ball, and hope to catch a break where u have an attacker who is open enough to not get tackled – because u can be quite certain that he will get tackled if a defender is nearby no matter what you do. There is no real figthing for the ball or stuff like that, no random factor what so ever cause the defender always wins. For me that made the game boring already after a couple of hours – even with the well functioning online play.
I for one am still looking forward to getting my hands on the full pes10, havent been playing properly since the good old iss days on ps1 and a bit pro on ps2 – but you can count on me to be in the top of rankings anyways! :D
The feeling you get playing pes is so familiar…Pes plays a more simulation type of arcade football game.Playing in the hardest difficulty is more satisfying as you will have less time to react and therefore you will not realize the flaws or lack of working tricks and moves in the one on one situations.
Close control is not there anymore and that’s unfortunate in a time that fifa is giving so much control to the gamer, pes is doing the opposite …
BUT…at the end of the day, if you loved pes you will continue to do so, as it’s good parts outweigh the bad ones.
I agree with the review of “tvg” site as i think no one can disagree that pes10 doesn’t show the gameplay refinements we hoped for…but as much as we shout about it we must agree that with all of it’s faults pes is the most fun football game.And that means a lot in a VIDEO GAME.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OGzPJG5nHE
@19 you said the truth.When someones heart belong to somewhere else he has to go and we have to thank him for all those years.
Dopecoil where are you?
when you score a goal in fifa 10, there isnt much of a roar from the crowd, just a little cheer even if your the homeside. it just isnt very convincing when you score a goal.
FIFA 10 ATMOSPHERE – 6.5/10
PES 2010 however as a better crowd roar when you score but it can be a little better.
PES 2010 ATMOSPHERE 8/10
ATMOSPHERE is key in football games,(well to me anyways being a passionate football fan xD). it needs to make the hairs at the back of your neck tingle as you take a shot from 25 yards, 1-0 down, into injury time and you see the ball is about to go in the back of the net and it does and the crowd goes wild. And when your playin a rival team and your winning and the opposing teams player hoofs a shot into row Z, the winning team crowd should to that sarcastic cheer
lol @ the 1st review. The 2nd one (which is actually a preview) is really biased too. Both crap articles.
End of the day Fifa is for kids and Pro Evo is for the mature gamer
Why do u all care so much about reviews? 9 out of ten r biased..
Get PES2010 the minute its released and play it till your thumbs and eyes bleed, by then you ‘ll have the best review u ‘ll ever need.
Then if u feel u don’t like what u ‘ve been given trade it in 4 FIFA.
That’s what am doing anyway :)
PES junkie till I die!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiAC6bViW24&feature=related
It’s out on Monday…if u live in ireland..go to HMV
Fransis, every one is entitled to their review, at the end of the day this is a
PES site and it will be nice not to give PES2010 bad publicity because the way I see it, it was like you were justifying your own review by post a very negative review to make a case.
What almost everybody know is that PES generally needs time to get used to . It will be interesting to know what game you will be playing in 4 months.
The last thing is that how many fifa sites will favour pes over fifa(even the days when PES was clearly ahead) I think you fill find not single one.
So this is a PES site not a fifa/pes site and there are some of us that think
PES 2010 is a great game.
The more i play FIFA 10 the more I’m getting bored.
The game is crap it doesnt have soul.
Why francis do I have to read this reviews?
Why amoral that played the game 2,3 hours has better judgement
than me or anyboddy that is playing the game hours and hours
every year.
Ok there are english poeple behind FIFA and I understant you want to keep a balance but for me simulation of football its
not a bored and repetive game but a game thats keep growing inside you the more you play like PRO.
The funny thing is even the hardcode fifa fans have the same
feeling with me even if the dont want to admit that.
How can you respect a post like this that says ‘heres a favourable review’ which was done in august and from god know’s what code! I gave Fifa 09 a chance for a few games but i got bored with a game where you can’t dribble. Pass, pass, pass – get one on one – score same goal again and again! Boring! I’m playing pro evo 09 again until 10 comes out.
cant wait for pes on friday,have faith its going to be f$**&%G great
Well done Francis, the first review is spot on!
Pes has become a Joke!
It is inexcusable that Konami have not even managed to match the game-play of the PS2 games; they are taking the series backwards and turning it into a kiddie, paint by numbers game.
I wish I could get five minutes alone with Seabass and a wet cod in a room so that I could pick up the cod and slap him around the face with it, while asking: “what is this, this piece of S**T that I see before me – WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU PLAYING AT?”
I knew it was the beginning of the end a few months ago when a video posted on Youtube showed an interview with Seabass and his team. In the video the film crew were shown around the Pes team’s office and were given a chance to see what they had been concentrating on this year.
Whilst EA were talking about key game-play implementations, Seabass and his team were busy talking about how many hairs you can now see on the player’s arms.
Well guess what Konami, I couldn’t care less how many hairs are visible on Messi’s arm or whether or not you can clearly see that Torres has an outie belly button and Drogba has and innie – WHO GIVES A FLYING F**k!
Not one of our requests in last year’s list that we composed and sent to Konami said: “oh, I really wish I could see how many hairs Messi has on his arms – that would be amazing!”
We wanted the game-play sorted out!
We don’t want game-play that is equal to or as good as the PS2 games, we want ‘better’ – that’s the whole point of next gen.
For me PS3 Pes is not even a next gen game. Pes is lazy and last gen, right from the menu systems to the game-play (actually as far as the game-play is concerned it is not even that).
A good example of a proper next gen game is the new Colin McCrae game. When accessing the menu system, every time you select a course or country to participate in you are whizzed straight there. You then have a menu system to navigate located in the pit stop area on race day.
Why Can’t Konami think of ideas like this? It would be amazing if on match day you were taken to the stadium that you will be participating at whilst navigating the menus system. You could even have facts about the stadium and the team whose home it is mentioned during loading times.
During Masterleague you could operate the menus system with a manager’s office backdrop, with the different menus at different locations within the office.
They have the CL licence, why aren’t there classic games or classic teams from the past available, like 1999 Utd or 2001 Real Madrid – there’s just no innovation, it’s the same old boring features year in and year out.
There is just so much that could be done that isn’t, Konami have become creatively retarded.
There are even features from games back as far as 15 years ago that were better than what Pes is offering at the moment.
I can’t believe that over ten years since the release of SWOS there are still no managerial job offer options included in master league with international competitions running in the background and the chance of being offered national team jobs, such as England manager -It’s lazy, boring and just not good enough!
Pes6 style game-play freedom, with SWOS game mode options would make the ultimate football game and yet both Konami and EA seem incapable of producing it – money grabbing, soulless losers the pair of them!
Some nerds on here, its a VIDEOGAME FFS, get out more, get laid. Who cares which is better. Fifa sucks by the way.
@ 35
Simon McDermott – a man who speaks sense, some world class comments u got there!
it would be great to have those Classic champions leagues teams such as Man Utd 1999, Liverpool 2005 etc etc, it would be great to re live those moments with Sheringham and Solsjkaer!
Try these:
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/proevolutionsoccer2010
Play PES if you enjoy running with the ball, creating your own passing angles and banging in headers and 25 yard screamers!
Play FIFA if you enjoy picking passes and stringing together slick moves, as well as having better control of your players’ touch!
Must also mention Presentation for FIFA and Tactics for PES, but ultimately that’s what I think it boils down to.
@simon mcdermot, do you want to hold the fort while i have an hours kip, oh righteous one
Pes 2010 for Xbox 360 is on Piratebay.org
Buy the game, do not steal it
@ 30, Peswarrior, it’s out on Monday in Ireland, you sure?
@Simon McDermott
You criticise the lack of gameplay evolution in PES (rightly so), and express your lack of care for pointless visual detail (rightly so), but then proceed to recommend that Konami should be more inventive with the production values and additions of teams/features!?! Don’t you think thats a bit self-defeating? The whole reason PES still plays like a 10 year old game is because every year Konami try to tack as many new (or stolen, mostly stolen) features to the package, instead of actually implementing meaningful change in the gameplay mechanics. I couldn’t give a toss about a nicer backdrop, classic teams or more stats if the game still feels like a dinosaur. Besides, please stop banging on about PES 6, it was great at the time, but going back to it now (and I recently did) it is pretty much unplayable. Maybe I should dig out an old 14″ tv, but when played on my HD 40″ tv I can barely make out anything. The pace is frenetic, the buttons frighteningly sensitive, and the overall experience feels distinctly archaic. Obviously your one for nostalgia, but please, its time to move on and accept the fact that video games designers do not give a **** about your grievences.
cant wait for pes10 to come out while im at skl my dad will buy it for me and bring it back home and then he will go back to work which we leave me and pes10 alone
@43 Turk.
I agree it is the game-play that needs the most attention and not menu systems and game modes. I was merely stating that any truly innovative and stylish next-gen game that you play i.e. Drakes Fortune 2, Coling Mcrae, Grid etc always uses its creative talents in every area of the game.
When you play these games you can tell that a lot of passion, care and attention have gone into them.
I was playing Drakes Fortune 2 around my mates last night and it is unbelievable. Every few minutes something new that I have never seen in a video game before happened.
This is the feeling we should have got from next-gen Pes; we should have been saying: “wow, what a great new feature that is.”
This is what I thought when I played Sensible World of Soccer, ISS and Pro Evolution Soccer 1. The game-play was amazing, fresh and new.
Now Konami seem to think its ok to offer less game-play modes and inferior on-the-field action than the old games. I mean, let’s be honest, if Pes1 had played worse than ISS on the PS1 it would never have risen to the heights that it did.
I’ll agree that Pes 6 does look terrible on a HD TV, but if you concentrate on the game-play you will see that the freedom, responsiveness and feel of the game is second to none and has still not been surpassed today by Pes or FIFA.
The reason the majority of Pes fans, who have been around since the series began, keep going back to Pes6, is because game-play wise, it is still the best football game available.
It’s the same as when every time there is a world cup we keep having to wheel out Bobby Charlton and chums, because that was the last time England experienced success. Until Konami or FIFA top the game-play of Pes6 people will keep banging on about Pes6.
There is a simple way to stop Pes 6 being mentioned in every Pes forum on the net – MAKE A BETTER GAME!
Games developers will give a **** about the majority of fans opinions when they stop buying their game, as will happen with Pes this year.
Sales have been dropping consistently since the birth of the PS3 and this year will be the worst ever for Pro Evo; either they listen and change or go out of business – it’s as simple as that!
@Simon Mcdermott
You think people won’t buy it? Of course they will, and most will lap it up like a labrador. I wish I possessed the same belief that the perfect game is within reach. To me, the Konami PES team is a spent force creatively. It had its heyday with PES on the PS2, but it has milked that successful formula too long, and has made too much money doing so to stop now. Sales may be dropping, but people still/will always want a new football game, no matter how recycled it is. EA and Konami have a monopoly on the football game market, and since as they can guarrentee that millions of people will buy their game each year, no matter how bad it is, they have no incentive to go back to the drawing board and create a new game from scrath. It costs too much money, takes too long, and will almost certainly reap less financial return than would recycled seasonal offerings, even if it turned out to be the best game ever. Surely by simply coming on forums such as this you are aware of the ridiculous number of fanboys both games have, and will continue to have. FIFA and PES are like institutions rather than games, and the numbers of followers will only grow. Ridiculously high review scores by sites like IGN don’t help matters either, as people tend to trust numbers they see in print more than their own impressions. You and I may consider both football games presented to us today as sub-par, but when they are getting 9.3 or 8.7 out of 10 by a trusted source most will flock to them like sheep. You would’ve thought the competion between the two would inspire genuine innovation, but its far easier to steal the others ideas and tweak them each year when you are sure the demand will still be there. And it always will be, theirin lies the ultimate truth.
There are only so many innovations and changes to gameplay that can be made. Am I wrong? I keep reading these comments about the gameplay not changing but what are the specific ideas? I liked PES on the wii, it seems pretty innovative to me. The pace seems a lot slower than Pro and FIFA on the PS3/360 and you get the freedom of movement of players. I like the PES2010 demo and will buy the game when it comes out, but then again I must be one of the sheep that falls for the crap that Konami puts out every year. I lap it up like a Labrador in fact :P
Clap, clap, clap!!!
Turk, comment of the month for sure IMO. You have summed up the state of the football game market and to a certain extent many gamers in general!
Konami and EA have now created an oligarchy in the football market that its hard for a new company to make a football game that will compete with PES and FIFA in sales. Thats why Konami have gotten away with mediocre PES games this gen. Their glory days in the PS2 gen has won them a large number of loyal and (no offence) blind fanboys who are will to shell out good money for the latest instalment despite lack of any significant progress.
Even when FIFA was a joke it sold millions. Now the roles have been turned with PES being the arcade unrealistic game but still will sell well despite some people turning their backs on the games.
Scoring goals has become easier in this gen’s PES with glaring problems of goalkeeper AI and easy cross goal and screamer exploits but still these problems are not solved and other unrealistic game mechanics that have made the game more arcade!
As long people many keep buying each instalment, there wont be a much needed over-whole of the game! Shame really as this game has become really stale and far behind other next gen games!
Get a LIFE!!!!!
Pes rocks!
To Dougie and Dan:
KONAMI SUGGESTED YOU as a reliable site together with pesfan.com and winningelevenblog.com.Do you think that after these articles who francis posted you will still be a friendly site to KONAMI and get all these information about the game?Because all of us we are going to move day by day to other sites to find information that KONAMI will not give to you and the trust that Jon Murphy gave to you DD.
christos
Shut up do YOU want everything sugar coated. Open your eyes.
@45 Simon
Mate do you now play fifa instead???
If so, id like to read your points of why you think fifa is better (sorry if you have done this before).
Ive been playing Fifa since 09, purely because of the online play.
Saying that i still love the pes series, how i know this??? because im a sad git that keeps coming back to these sights and reading articals on the konami series.
I could’nt give a toss in a tin can who makes the best game I want realistic but FUN footy whether it’s Konami or EA.
Pes is the life everything else is crap
@Demetri
Hehe sorry mate I was a bit taken over by vitriolic anger during my last post, I didn’t mean to be so condescending. If you play the demo and like it then there is no reason why you shouldn’t personally buy the game. Everyone has a right to make their own mind up. My real gripe is with people who are so blindly loyal to one of the 2 franchises that they fail to see any major flaws in their game of choice, or any qualities in the other. Its people like this who ensure that both PES and FIFA will continue to roll out recycled efforts each year, as they don’t demand better.
As for specific gameplay innovations, well some new fluid annimations wouldn’t go a miss, intelligent AI movement, full collision detection. When you think about any great next-gen game, regardless of genre, these things are always essential, but for some reason Konami has yet to grasp the basic tenents of a good next-gen gaming foundation.
PS I haven’t actually had the chance to play PES on the Wii but I may well give it a go because the next gen versions bore me.
“shingo Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Fransis, every one is entitled to their review, at the end of the day this is a
PES site and it will be nice not to give PES2010 bad publicity because the way I see it, it was like you were justifying your own review by post a very negative review to make a case.”
I agree
“Tricky Torres Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
Play PES if you enjoy running with the ball, creating your own passing angles and banging in headers and 25 yard screamers!
Play FIFA if you enjoy picking passes and stringing together slick moves, as well as having better control of your players’ touch!”
A common mistake Fifa fans make is thinking the players in PES have a bad first touch.. This is normally because they haven’t learned how to play PES .. In PES you use the r2/rt button to trap the ball or else there is a greater chance that it will go away from you..
When dribbling in this years PES, rather than just holding the run button, it is better to tap it occasionally and use the rt/r2 for extra control (this gives you different pace controls) and in this way you can keep the ball a yard away from the defender and loose him if he commits too soon..
Ive got to come in hear and jump to the defence of pes2010 because again what i am reading is lunacy.
You all wanted scripted contrived gameplay gone from pes it now has,invisible walls on throw ins it now has,a game based on skill and being quick with your head rather then your reflexes which we now have,simulated realistic gameplay that requires thought and build up play which we now have,a more technical realistc movement system that enhances the long ball and crossing which we now have.
Again whats so revolutonary or innovative about fifa10 because its contrived and scripted against the cpu,the players float across the pitch and the ball is floatie,you cant chest trap or change the momentum with your player as in pes10 and theres no change of energy in the ball or variation in tempo of the game like there is in pes10 plus you dont have the variation in playing style of the teams a workable tactics slider and card system or the dynamic ai of pes10.
But of course it looks better in the widecam fifa10 and all the biased reviews based on animation so therefore fifa10 must be superior then.Konami are damned if they do and damned if they dont even when they produce the best game they ever have.Shame on the naysayers and doom merchants happy to beat the fifa10 drum now its ugly and a game that panders to the mainstream and people that dont have to understand football and you think this is innovation.
oh and my goalkeepers dont make mistakes in pes2010 try learning how to defend properly and dont let your defence get out of shape or your team and if you understood the clever ai of pes2009 and gave it time you will understand pes2010 again a game that takes time to click and understand not like fifa10 a game which ive never played till this year but still hammered the cpu on wordclass on my first play………its a fake game of football.
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by Dopecoil » Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:37 am
20 years ive been playing konami football games and being a diehard pes fan fifa10 was not even on my radar this year.All ive been doing for the last month is counting the days until pes2010s release.
I was so curious about 360 movement i downloaded the fifa10 demo off psn last nght and i have to say WOW!!!!!!!!!
From the perfectly tuned shooting to the smooth fluid passing ive not played a game as good as this since ISS on the n64 and could not put the controller down,everything just worked from the movement of my players to the sublime curling long pass right through to the through ball and the organic ai of my teamates which was a revelation.From goal line last ditch defending to heading my teamates never let me down and where always in a good position to recieve a pass or track back.
Having never played a fifa game but being a gaming vet i wacked it on to world class reconfirgured the controls so they where very pes like and i was away and everything i throw at fifa10 it delivered on with its ultra responsive player control and instant response times.
My only small niggle is the slowdown on the entrance scene and on replays but if ea can address this fifa10 will be perfect,yes the graphics arent great but when the game on the pitch and the gameplay is this tight and refined who cares….
Well done dave ruttler and ea you have produced a wonderful game this year that is so playable and enjoyable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Dopecoil
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sounds like you enjoyed fifa on your first play to me son
Anonymous
Demo son and then i played the greatness that is pes2010 different game different dimension.
Anonymous
Needless to say fifa10 got sold on ebay weeks ago and my copy of pes2010 hasnt been out of my ps3 since.Me and my mates have already racked up hours on pes2010.
yeaaaaaaaa ok ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Anonymous
I forgot to say pes2010 is exactly the same game as we cc 2008 on the ps2 but naturally with better graphics plus the 360 movement very deep and very technical.
Anonymous
Sometimes its who you know and hundreds of people have pes2010 already.
except you ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Anonymous jimmyboy
what does it matter i love pes2010 as do many other who will buy it on release,the games finished what we have is what we have and its special.I SUGGEST YOU SPEND YOUR TIME MORE WISELY RATHER THEN SPREADING YOUR MESSAGE OF DOOM that real fans dont care for.Fifa10 that good you have to spend your sundays trying to counter my opinion by quoting a comment i made on a demo and trying to convince yourself that its any good.
I THINK PES2010 IS THE BOMB THE BEST PES NOW IM GOING TO ENJOY IT.
might see you on here some time next year my work is done.
dopecoil
why have you just called yourself bigdaddy? read your last post????
PES2010 is more realistic… this is a fact! fifa10 is a good game, but more unrealistic… 50 yards goals, long bicicle kicks, circus driblling… Sorry fifa fan guys, fifa10 is the great midia game actually, but pes2010 still is the best in many countries,… EA is the better marketing softwarehouse of the world… but fifa10 still is a show-football oriented and not realistic oriented….. Yes, the both games is great but differ in style… Sorry my bad english, in South Ameria pes still the king of football games!
@Turk
I like your specific gameplay innovations. I didn’t think of those. I don’t know how they would translate to the game, but it would be something new. Hopefully Konami does something next year.
I play some FIFA, but ultimately I find PES the better of the two when it comes to “fun factor”.
@52 Jack
I also bought FIFA 09 last year, because Pes2009’s online was unplayable. I traded in my copy of Pes 2009 in for it.
Offline I found that Pes2009’s game-play was far worse than that of Pes 6; I even found it direr than Pes 2008.
You asked me why I think FIFA 10 is better than Pes 2010. I obviously haven’t played the finished article, but when you’ve been playing Konami’s king of soccer for over a decade you can tell how a game is going to play by watching game-play videos.
I find that FIFA 10’s passing is far superior to Pes’; for me this is the most important aspect of any football game, it must have fluid, flowing passing. Pes 6 had this, Pes 2009 and 10 do not!
The thing is that I don’t like FIFA 10 either. There are loads of bugs in the game as many people have already pointed out.
Response times can still feel delayed, players fall over and lose the ball when they come into any kind of physical contact with another player – matches can descend into pinball sessions.
It seems that when any other player gets within a couple of yards of the ball carrier he will automatically tackle them, unless of course you pull off some random ‘trick stick’ move. This would be fine, if the trick stick wasn’t temperamental. I once had a car with a gear stick very similar to this, you never knew what gear you were going to get – it was like a lucky dip!
One of the inexcusable bugs in FIFA 10 is that after you score the player who has done so often runs straight into the back of the net and begins bouncing of it, even when you pull off a celebration. This didn’t happen in FIFA 09 so they have actually managed to make it worse.
Menus are slow and sticky to navigate and manager’s mode may as well not be there it is so boring.
When you look at games in other genres, the gulf between what fans of series such as Grid, Colin Mcrae, Drakes Fortune and Call of Duty etc are being offered, and then look at what football fans are receiving from this pair of plonkers, and the gulf is massive.
The problem is that no third-party can now enter the competition, because EA and Konami have all the licences sown up!
So it looks like football fans are now going to have to put up with years of ****e from these two useless tossers indefinitely! As far as I’m concerned EA and Konami have killed football gaming.
@70 – Agreed. This is the 3rd year of PES on next gen, and it’s gone backwards from it’s glory days on the PS2. I remember waiting in anticipation for PES 2008 to be something awesome, and it turned out to be a total clunker. I thought they’d get it right with PES 2009, but again it was a catastrophe. This year I’ve been anticipating it would finally get it’s act together, but alas, multiple reviews are saying the same things, terrible goalkeepers, wonky animations, arcadey ping pong gameplay. I’ve been buying the PES series on release day since the days of ISS, but I think my patience may have worn out. I don’t know how they’ve managed to kill what was once a fantastic game, it comes across as lazy ineptitude, it’s a mystery how they’ve let it fall so far
Cheers Simon,
Exactly the feedback i wanted.
Put yourself forward to be a blogger on here, maybe you could have some influence as a voice for us past / present PES fans.
One thing we must all congratulate Konami on is the fact that they did listen to the fans, if they can tweak this then i think the future could be bright.
Cheers Jack, however, I think I might get crucified if I was a blogger on this site, especially by die hard Pes fans.
Just to clarify I do have FIFA 10, but obviously have not Played Pes 10 – I thought the comment I made above was a little ambiguous on that point.
@71 Johnson
Same here mate, I think the two games are now being aimed at kids who aren’t old enough to remember how great Pes was on the PS2, and as Turk mentioned earlier, as long as people keep buying little will change.
I think the major problem with companies having to release a yearly title is that perhaps there’s just not enough time, especially with the extra detail that next-gen requires, to put the work in.
Personally I would be much happier with a properly made game released once every two or three years. In between new releases they could offer squad updates for say £10 – £15.
If you look at other genres i.e. action games like Assassins Creed and Drakes Fortune, these games are normally two or three years in production after the previous instalment.
I think with the demands of realism, online play, and live season updates etc it is no longer feasible for companies like EA and Konami to produce yearly titles.
I think that fans would be much happier if we got an amazing ‘jaw dropping’ title once every couple of years and just seasonal squad updates in between.
The problem with this idea is capitalism. There’s more profit in yearly releases and if they can get away with selling half finished games to people – as both products clearly are – then they will continue to do so.
It’s time to exercise consumer power and ‘vote with our notes’.
hi there i was wondering if anyone knows if this website you can get xbox and ps3 games from is legitimate.. if anyone has ever heard of it or bought something from there, they have decent prices on very good games.. etc.. fifa 10 £30… FNR4 £21.. who knows PES could be on here wneh it comes out.. someone get at me
http://www.frog-games.co.uk/index.php cPath=30&osCsid=mhuqpj9h0rhg6end8ikj04lhe5
the best review is Your own review, it is your own opinion which counts the most
http://www.rewiredmind.com/reviews/xbox-360-reviews/pro-evolution-soccer-2010
Christos: “Do you think that after these articles who francis posted you will still be a friendly site to KONAMI and get all these information about the game?”
Sorry, WHAT information? “We’ve added ANOTHER lighting engine” or “TeamVision 9.0 will be included in PES 2011″…or do you mean the classic “This year, we’ve worked hard to convert WEN into real money – something that took us all of five minutes and is actually one of our major things to shout about this year.”
There is no information. The game is the same every year and frankly, those who can’t even make any sort of acknowledgement that FIFA has improved IMMENSELY in the last three years is stuck in cloudcuckooland.
Agree with Wispa totally…
I am ROFL with the responses to the reviews.. Clearly the majority of the people here are just fanboys who have no intention of reviewing the game objectively.. Its funny to see you guys continue to defend the pathetic game that is PES today.I said it before the games came out that PES would be out reviewed and by far that has already been the case.