Concentrating on less platforms would really free up more time for next gen gaming. I think the biggest issue has been hit on the head. Konami still hasnt got to grips with the next gen machines. Why, over the past few years, has the PS2 versions been better? They need to concentrate on getting the best out of the best machines.

Whether you like the outcome or not, PES10 has seen the biggest change than any in the series. If you look at the graphics and master league alone. Not where I’d choose to spend the time but maybe other areas they had worked on just werent ready. Its hard to know what Konami have as a work in progress. There might be a new game engine, but its a long term job. Every area has seen tweaks, just like every new PES, but with the addition of some major changes as well.

Im guessing that 2011 will see them concentrating on BAL, animations and again trying to fix online. As well as the usual tweaks and fixes. I can see a new engine coming out in 2012.

I’m not going to explain much at the moment, but I just wanted to comment on something.

I think Duffman was spot on when he said that the pace of the game isn’t that fast; it’s got more to do with the size of the pitch in relation to the players, it’s too small.

To put it briefly, I think the football pitch should be a bit larger, so that passing ability is more pronounced… But most importantly, to focus more on off-the-ball play.

The larger the pitch the more space available on the pitch, players would need to run more off the ball, etc. Therefore we would need to put more effort in order to score goals because the defense will have enough time to close down like they do in real-life.

We would also have a bit more time to implement new features for passing and off the ball movement, and also for the technical game.

The hardest thing is finding that balance between: not over-complicating things unnecessarily, but also not limiting what we can do to the point it feels like the players can play by themselves.

One thing is certain, we need more time on the pitch, with more time we have more space to add the substance that the game is currently lacking.

I will try to respond in the best possible manner, as specific as I can be, but it will take me a couple of days.

There are some really basic off the ball controls, such as holding L1 when passing or pressing R2 after a pass to send players forward. Really basic I know but it’s there nonetheless. I guess switching off certain player cards like incisive run, overlapping run, free roaming, etc are a form of off the ball control too.

Also you can switch the cursor settings to unassisted. This way whenever you pass the ball you don’t immediately control the ball carrier until you switch the cursor to him. Although you make a sacrifice and allow the cpu to conduct the play for a short time, you can make many devastating off the ball runs this way and then call for a pass BAL style.

I think if Konami ditches the preference for d-pad and goes full steam ahead with analog control then we can use the freed up d-pad or maybe even the right analog stick for more sophisticated off the ball controls, sorta like what EA does with the Fifa d-pad.

+ other bad point in PES: automatics pass and kicks! In the past was good… but today is a kid’s soccer game… I’m not a stupid kid! I want a true simulation!

PES2010 is bad than my bad english… I was a PES-fan, today I dont know… But, I play in PC… and FIFA in PC is a trash… but FIFA in consoles is very best…

I think custom league/cup mode should be the staple of any football game. Master League and online modes are the big draw, but personally I still love creating custom cups, and custom leagues are great for offline multiplayer tournies.

Personally I’m not bothered about BAL or online modes. I just want Konami to get back their roots and deliver the addictive core gameplay of old. Let EA worry about the gimmicks.

Quietly been making a whole new game engine ready for release this year, further justification to what i said a few weeks ago.

pes11 will be the last in the european market.

PS – While we’re on this subject, can anyone confirm if there really is a setting in PES 2010 which allows you to control players other than the player with the ball?

No you haven’t missed anything at all. His behaviour has been the same this week, last week, and ever since he started posting few years ago. Get ready for hell Dave because God forbid anyone to question the great Pes Messiah lol.

@49 Yea it’s shocking that the PS2 versions still have better gameplay and are more feature packed. Here’s to hoping that all changes with Pes 2011.

- Have you tried PES on the wii?

- Doesn’t the game already have an option so that you can actually control an off-the-ball player and request a pass?

- Your example of how to control this sort of thing doesn’t seem to work IMO. You only gave two examples of how to control one player coming back to help in the build up and one other example, and I believe both would be using inputs which are already asigned to other controls. R1 plus tapping x for example would be a pass, no? I think that instead of spending so much time and energy telling people how inexperienced and dumb they are for not understanding your ideas, that you should just spend more time explaining them better and in a positive manner if possible.

Maybe I missed reading some posts, but in this case, from what I read I’m not seeing clearly how this is such a great idea. What it would add is still not manual, and in my opinion it’s more man-management, not really true team-tactics, which we already have and can execute on the fly quite effectively (which I find means that I really am able to influence the “script” of the game). Do you even use on-the-fly tactics and attack/defense levels? They make a huge impact on procedings IMO.

Anyway, I think more is needed to offer up a better solution. The problem you present is valid, but I think you take on it is over the top. I mean, looking at the big picture, Konami have truly been working on this side of things and offer more than current games in other sports-genres. Look at the wii version as well as recent press releases to see that Konami are working on implementing Natal. My main point of contention with you is that you are trying to suggest that Konami don’t care about their customers because they haven’t implemented YOUR suggestion. I personally think that’s a very narrow minded perspective and I don’t see why you feel the need to put it that way. Just make your suggestion, be positive about it, and move on.

have play older pes on ps 2 in the past, and i can’t see someone said it’s not a big upgrad from before. but i think the 360 movement is quite good actually. it works well in the pc version. so i’m happy to have a decent footy game to play for now.

My god, you are seriously deluded!