PES Matters 2nd December 2012

*** UPDATED – see bottom of article ***

We now move into December on the back of what I would say have been overall a disappointing effort to gather feedback.

Thank you very much to the guys who made the effort – it was very much appreciated. I shall be collating the info very soon and sending it off on behalf of the site.

I shall be trying to engage Jon Murphy on twitter to get some feedback on key questions that have come up during the feedback phase we’ve just been through in November.
Whilst there are many who believe that we are wasting our time, there’s an ever shrinking core of gamers who’re too stubborn to give up the fight.
We can’t just fall to our knees and accept things for what they are. I guess we’d fight the fight whatever the cause.

I wanted to give a special shout out to Cresswell86 – he hit a chord with me with his feedback. We’re probably at the same phase in life where game time is limited to a few hours here and there. It’s more precious as a result, which means we value the quality time that this brings. He’s on the verge of snapping, and crossing reluctantly over to the darkside.
Not because fifa is considered the better game. Purely because PES has failed to deliver on core issues once too many. Papering over cracks as a solution stinks of desperation.
When it’s the norm, it’s a sorry state of affairs.

I quote one comments from him:
“But it seems to me that konami clearly have no intentions of stopping cheaters, i mean, how many reports, collected lists of usernames (as done on this site and others) does it take for them to pull there finger out? I now believe that theres so many cheats out there, konami don’t want to address the fault as they dont want to risk loosing these cheaters as customers.”

It’s a view held by many, and it’s one I’ve tried to get replies to on a few occasions. I’ll try twitter with Jon on this issue very soon and will report back.
The fact that the lack of proper policing of cheating in PES is ruining the experience seems to be clear to everyone but Konami.
To be fair to them, they have provided a form you can fill in to report cheats, as our Barry covered in an article in October.

The following link from Konami’s website provides more info on the online courtesy system:
https://www.konami-pes2013.com/en/2012/10/online-courtesy-level-explained/
But there hasn’t been any official feedback on this process. That’s what I will try to get via twitter, so please follow us to get into the loop on this issue. If it proves to be a good communication tool, we’ll be using it on your behalf for more issues, so wish us luck!

Whilst I’m acknowledging feedback, Dave O – in the absence of leagues with proper ranking matching, this option is a must in my opinion. The matching system is very poor in my opinion, and doesn’t really pair properly. As a result you get many games where you’re up against a much higher ranked opponent. Allowing you to try pairing again in this situation should be possible. Ideally only allowing you to play within your division would negate the necessity of this naturally.

In the face of extreme adversity, we’re not going to give up the fight for our PES until it’s over.  For many of us, the direction of the series is what concerns us most.  If we can get the decision makers realise the fans will decide their fate, then we’ll win the war.

 

Thanks for reading.

Dougiedonut

 

*** UPDATE ***

John13 and Gola – my apologies for not mentioning 2v2 in my main article.  I’ve just tweeted to Jon Murphy to ask about it.  Follow us on twitter for up to the minute updates on this and many more future questions.

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46 Responses to PES Matters 2nd December 2012

  1. John 13 says:

    Is it so difficult to fix 2vs2?
    Why did they leave out ”league mode”?
    Why did they fully integrate ”coach mode” in MLO? So that even bad players can build up strong teams if they play thousands of online games??? It could easily be a separate mode by itself..
    What’s the point Konami team?? To improve playing experience or to present stupid numbers claiming that the number of online games this years was raised??
    I can get it might be difficult to control disconnect cheaters..but still..what is the meaning of B courtesy level? How many games should somebody quit before they get B courtesy level and what is actually the penalty for getting B rate (because I’ve played against some of them even if I have A rate..)??? If one’s connection sucks then DON’T PLAY ONLINE..give them a warning ban of one week and then ban them for good…

    I think it’s sooo easy to resolve certain issues…especially the first two which are offline ones..so, when these issues are not resolved it’s absolutely natural on our behalf to think that something else is going on having to do with marketing strategies..then the love for the game and the brand is under question..simple as that..

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  3. Gola says:

    No mention of 2v2 again DD…. just some guy who has entered the twilight of his pes playing days!!!

    DEAL WITH THE ISSUE… Its practically bordering on false advertising. I should get what I pay for.

    By the way, you will never beat the cheaters. They are in every single game. Every game is open to manipulation. All thats needed is a way of playing the players you want to play, who you trust will give you a fair game. Oh wait, its called a friends list. Just add them as a friend and you can play them again. I must have over a 100 pes friends and can always get a good game online and avoid the cheaters, barca/real boys etc….

    Konami will never change their attitude towards this game but there are things you can do to still make it enjoyable.

  4. declan says:

    In my opinion the exclusion of the 2 offline modes looks suspiciously like an attempt to railroad everybody into playing online next year. It’s the only reason I can think of, they’re even prompting you to play online in Master League offline. Don’t be surprised if next year there are no offline modes.

  5. Gola says:

    Cheers DD… Apologies for my brashness but I’ve been screaming about this for a while with no answers coming back!

  6. Jay says:

    I think the main thing is sorting the cheaters out.. at first it didn’t bother me but now it’s frustrating when it’s like rival rankings special matches that you lose out on. I find its mostly people who use Fenebache

    but I agree with those other improvements..

  7. TrueGooner says:

    If they remove master league offline I am not buying it. Base on this year game I am thinking of going fifa next year by the way. For the first time since this generation of console, I am thinking of FIFA

  8. Goal storm says:

    Konami is good to inform us what is new each year and what they did better than last year
    why can not they tell us about the things that they remove and which they had last year !!! ?

  9. Cresswell86 says:

    Why hasnt the bug for not being able to login to MLO not been adressed yet? Most times i stick pes on, i need to sign-out/restart the console anywhere from once, to up to five times before it lets me in! If i see the “the pes 2013 server is no longer available” or “you are already signed in” i think i’m going to scream!! How can konami as a company be happy to realise a product riddled with major bugs like this!? Fair enough, they went for the early realise date when its been quite clear the finished product wasnt ready, but for crying out loud, how can this still not be fixed by an update nearly 3 months into its realise!!?? What i wonder is what about the firstime pes gamers that will buy the game, want to play online, get presented with this error & (as you would) just presume that the server is offline!? Its only because we know its a fault we know what to do to resolve it, but the first timers or rookies wont! & i bet its alienated so many first timers, they’ll think they can hardly ever get a game online, trade it in & turn to the darkside! For a company attempting to bring back its old & also a new fanbase, its a pritty good way of putting people off pes before they’ve give it a fair go, & i wonder what game they’ll point towards when it comes to buying there next football sim? With a online system you can actually login to, & have lag free online games? Guesses anyone?

  10. Cresswell86 says:

    Ps & thanks for the shoutout DD! Keep up the good work dude!

  11. Frankytwothumbs says:

    Listen butmunches! Like you s I was a die hard pes fan but the exclusion of the league format was a deal breaker for me so I did the once”unthinkable”. I purchased FIFA, a few month on and I can say, football gaming wise I ve never been happier. It’s a much better all round polished game and the biggest suprise to me was it has the special ingredient of magic that pes used to have. For the last 5 or so yrs iv e been waiting for pes to bring the magic back and to no avail, ultimately robbing myself of a decent game for some misguided loyalty to a brand ( Konkami)who could n t give a **** about me or my gaming needs as long as I was happy to hand over my 40 notes annually. So do yourselves a favour and just go out their and enjoy the best game available.

  12. Gola says:

    @frankey

    Fifa is a load of balls…. i could’nt enjoy a game where your able to marseille turn all the way up the pitch and into the goal.

    Fifa has no depth, realism(besides the licences) and no soul. It is an empty footballing shell.

    It will never have the magic pes has, and any true pes fan would understand this.

    You on the other hand… enjoy your fifa. Pes doesn’t need fans like you.

  13. Barry says:

    PES online is the worst it’s ever been this year imo while Master League offline has been fantastic! The magic of PES still lives within ML but online is just filled with cheats and losers who are succeeding in making PES a total laughing stock altogether. Konami need to start listening to fans who really care.

    I have dabbled with FIFA and ultimate team is good but GOLA is right, FIFA has no soul. All the players are the same, pure trick based no real skill etc. I completely dominated 90% of players even though I had a team worth 10 times less. The big question is this; do Konami want the community as it is has now for the sake of shipping a few thousand copies more? Or do they want a proper community that rewards REAL fans.

    PES 2013 could be fixed overnight. Release a hardcore PES mode within DLC. I have spoken about this before and will be bringing a future article soon. Have been exteremly busy as of late!

    Basically, the DLC would incorporate a chairman/board aspect into MLO. You start with random players assigned to you. There’s a salary cap of 10 million per team starting out which increases as you get promoted so 20 million in div 4, etc… Have 5 groups of tiered players. Ronaldo, Messi in top tier. Rooney in 2nd highest tier. Paul Mc Shane in Last tier! Etc.

    Your starting 11 would HAVE to include at least 5 defaults.

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