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Advanced Formations (Images)

jMz

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Advanced Formations

Firstly, if you don't know how to do it, here is an explanation of how to change formation in game without pausing.
This has now been updated to PES2009. Sorry it took so long.

01. Set up your default formation just as you normally would. Make sure every tiny detail is perfect. Set individual attack and defence arrows to your likings.

02. Go in to DATA MANAGEMENT and then COPY FORMATION. Copy the top block into both STRATEGY A + B just underneath it.

03. On the Formation screen, go into TEAM, You will see

CHANGE GAMEPLAN
STRATEGY PLAN A
STRATEGY PLAN B

select CHANGE GAMEPLAN, then assign STRATEGY PLAN A + B to a button of your choice, remember which is which though. I use :triangle: for A, and :square: for B. It's easy to remember that an A looks like a triangle, even in the heat of battle.

04. Go into TEAM then STRATEGY PLAN A and move your players around to whatever you want. Stretch the wings, flood the box, dig in deep, etc. Alter attack and defence arrows as required. Try not to pull too many players out of their default positions, a couple of subtle changes can have as much impact as a full formation change. You need to take into account your players abilities and what other positions they can play. Do the same for STRATEGY PLAN B.
An attacking and a defensive option is wise with your default formation being well balanced.

05. Now you're ready to test it out. Use Exhibitions until you find the right balance, so you don't mess up your league if it isn't working for you. To activate the formation changes in game, you need to press :L2: + :triangle: or :square:. When the symbol appears next to your status bar, it means it's active. Don't have both on at the same time though, they'll cancel each other out.

06. Practice and experiment. That is after all a big part of what gaming is all about.
I've no time for glitch gamers, people looking for cheap goals, cheats, underhanded tactics, and general shadyness and lack of sportsmanship. The game should be played with honour, creativity and personality. If you are here looking for cheap ways to win, fuck off and die. Like anything in life, if you want to be good at something, practice. Cheats may sometimes prosper, but everybody hates you, and your Mam would NOT approve. I asked her.

OTHER NOTES.
Instead of having 3 formations, you could go for a simpler option of just 2. In the CHANGE GAMEPLAN menu, at the bottom in CHANGE GAMEPLAN CONTROL, Instead of selecting MANUAL, select BALANCED and assign L2 to STRATEGY PLAN A. This way you only have to press :L2: in game to activate your formation change. And it makes using the other strategies, like counter attack and zone press easier as all 3 will be automatic. Although the hardcore won't like the idea of the computer changing for them.
Player selection and positioning is key. You may have edited some players to compensate for extra positions Konami didn't get right.
Your formation will only be saved in your master league if you have done it within the ML menu system, and not before a game, if you build one before a game it can be saved using DATA MANAGEMENT. If you do it before a game, go to stock formation to save it.
Don't forget to save it.


All the details you could need are on the images.
HIGH NORMAL LOW (blue text) = individual defensive status (blue arrows). Accessed with Formation, Individual.

Earlier pictures were made for PES3, later you will see a new design, they are for PES4, but the idea carries through both games.
Enjoy.
*Edit - Sorry the images are still ancient but I don't have the same setup as I used to, it's a nightmare for me on a laptop. I have huge hands. I will get round to doing some updates on my desktop. One day.
Thanks for reading.
Attacking Options
 
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jMz

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Balanced 442

This is one for those who like a back 4 with a difference.

 

jMz

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Strong Midfield Option

If you like a midfield battle, and also like to win it, this is for you. There are lots of goals in this team, but player selction is vital.

 

Lami

#1 Stunner
i just found it off a site... but if u really want a vid made to gif... theres someone on here called ashmufc who can do that... u can ask him :)
 

jMz

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Yes it is me. I couldn't resist sticking meself down, I'm not bad boss, honest. Doesn't everyone play for their own team? Please don't drop us boss......
 

Dundon's

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jMz said:
Yes it is me. I couldn't resist sticking meself down, I'm not bad boss, honest. Doesn't everyone play for their own team? Please don't drop us boss......
I like the setup you got going dude.I play 2 at the back and it rocks,Try droping the sweeper and stick in another def mid player it rocks!!!

P.s Dundon's is always first down on my team sheet.
 

djlemon

Registered User
Hey.. Nice formation pics there man.. Sorry but i gotta ask.. How do u automatically change the formation in the game? I'm playing WE7 but in jap, cant understand a thing.
 

Lami

#1 Stunner
i think its manual, u gota press L2 + any of the 4 buttons, depends wat u chose in the strategy list..
 

observer

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Great Job

Thanks jMz for this great thread and this valuable information. I think this is the kind of threads we really miss here. Viewing different formarions, stratgies, creative players positions and roles is extremely useful. I think most players edit the standard formations to suite their way of playing, and we need to share these different effective formations, strategies and player positions...
Let us hope we have more of this. :)
Thanks again for the great info.
 

jMz

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Dundons said:
I like the setup you got going dude.I play 2 at the back and it rocks,Try droping the sweeper and stick in another def mid player it rocks!!!

Can't do that, my mates are far too good to be giving them advantages like that. They'll normaly have 3 up front you see.
 

djlemon

Registered User
Lami said:
i think its manual, u gota press L2 + any of the 4 buttons, depends wat u chose in the strategy list..

Ohh.. I know we have to press L2 and any of the 4 buttons but i duno where's the strategy list. I know thats kinda dumb of me but everything is in jap haha cant understand a thing man..
 

observer

Registered User
Formations questions

a few questions:
1. Does anybody know what is meant by "Back line" in the team strategy?
2. Can I set all the quick strategies to "A" or this will make my players loose stamina faster?
3. If I set Counter attack to "C", would I still be able to use Counter attack through team tactics in the main menu (by using say :L1: + : :x: )?
4. What is the difference between Sweeper and Libro in the defense system, and would it still be that effective when I have 4 players in the back?

Appreciate your thoughts
Thanks ;)
 

jMz

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observer said:
a few questions:
1. Does anybody know what is meant by "Back line" in the team strategy?
2. Can I set all the quick strategies to "A" or this will make my players loose stamina faster?
3. If I set Counter attack to "C", would I still be able to use Counter attack through team tactics in the main menu (by using say :L1: + : :x: )?
4. What is the difference between Sweeper and Libro in the defense system, and would it still be that effective when I have 4 players in the back?

Appreciate your thoughts
Thanks ;)

Here are your answers.
1. The back line setting is how far your defence will push up the field. On C they will stay deep, I would set a back 3 to C for safety. On A they will push up the field with the attack. Going sometimes further than the half way line depending on your other settings and how deep the opposition sits. Used properley with the offside trap, this can be deadly, but very risky if you are playing against pacey forwards.
2. You can set them all to A, yes, but your players will get tired much quicker.
3. Yes you can, but on C the team won't "naturally" counter attack, strikers will still come back for corners and stuff. Where on A they won't, they'll stay up whether you have it on :L2: + :x: or not. Though in open play :L2: + :x: will make your stikers push right up if your have it on C, it's different for set pieces.
4. A sweeper is a free defender who will pick up the best defensive position for the current situation. I didn't see the option for Libero in there mind? Have I missed something? I wouldn't have a sweeper in a back 4 because it could potentialy leave a huge gap, (seen it happen) the other defenders only cover their area and if the sweeper wanders off to cover someone.......... It is quite effective, but if you are playing top class opposition, they will exploit it.

Hope this helps. :D
 

observer

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jMz said:
Here are your answers.
1. The back line setting is how far your defence will push up the field. On C they will stay deep, I would set a back 3 to C for safety. On A they will push up the field with the attack. Going sometimes further than the half way line depending on your other settings and how deep the opposition sits. Used properley with the offside trap, this can be deadly, but very risky if you are playing against pacey forwards.
2. You can set them all to A, yes, but your players will get tired much quicker.
3. Yes you can, but on C the team won't "naturally" counter attack, strikers will still come back for corners and stuff. Where on A they won't, they'll stay up whether you have it on :L2: + :x: or not. Though in open play :L2: + :x: will make your stikers push right up if your have it on C, it's different for set pieces.
4. A sweeper is a free defender who will pick up the best defensive position for the current situation. I didn't see the option for Libero in there mind? Have I missed something? I wouldn't have a sweeper in a back 4 because it could potentialy leave a huge gap, (seen it happen) the other defenders only cover their area and if the sweeper wanders off to cover someone.......... It is quite effective, but if you are playing top class opposition, they will exploit it.

Hope this helps. :D
Absolutely classic, man. And it sure helps.
1. Now I can clearly understand why I used to have some problems in the back. This is cause I have the back line set to "A", and my mate plays with 3 fast forwards (Henry, Pele and Ronaldo!!). I think setting the back line to "B" or "C" will hold them back. But, would they still go forward in Corners and free kicks?
2. Regarding the "Libro", I found it when I want to do "position edit" to some
of my players in the back. Mentioning this, I wonder what is meant by "SM" in the picture you are showing. I can't seem to find this position at all!!
3. I always set the "Defense/Attack level" to manual. I like to control how offensive I want to play through out the game. Do you recommend that?
4. Do you use any "man mark" in the defense. I read here that it is quite risky and easily shakes up the defense sometimes. I have my formation very similar to the one you displayed in the second picture (4 in the back) and I set the DMF defense to "covering" to with arrows exactly like you illustrated. I think it is effective. Do use "CV" in any other positions?
5. Last but not least, I find playing with 3 defenders and 1 DMF is extremely risky in this game especially when you play against human opponent with 3 players on the front. do you have any other effective formations with 4 in the back other than the one you gave us here?
Thanks agian for this thread! :)
 

-=[101st]=-

Super 14 Champions 2006
i am interested to see how ur 334 (the one with the wingers on the corner flags) goes.. how does it stand up in midfield??
 

observer

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-=[101st]=- said:
i am interested to see how ur 334 (the one with the wingers on the corner flags) goes.. how does it stand up in midfield??
I tried it and actually it rocks in the offence. However, it leaves relatively some wide space in your mid feild. I think it is not the best formation against a stong offensive team.
I think if you want to have 3 players in the back, at least you should back this up with 2 DMF, or 1 DMF and a CM.
My 2 cents!
 

jMz

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Take note mind, the alternate formations are purely for a few minutes at a time. They are there to create vicious counter attcks and send players on runs and so forth.Like if you are defending a corner, stick 4 up front, everyone is back anyway, when you get the ball, you have more players running to the goal.
Like Morpheus says to Neo, "I'm only here to show you the door, you have to open it."
These are just to give you an idea of what is possible, so you can take it away and improve on it to fit your style/team. I have used all of these to great effect, and many different variations, in master league mode I change it just about every game depending on who's fit. The most subtle change can have a huge impact on your play, in good and bad ways. I couldn't possibly post all of them. If you practice and learn when to change and why you are changing, you can just take the piss out of people's defence. Try building a team around certain favourite players, and use all of their abilities. I can't tell you absolutely everything about how I play, if I ever get to play against anyone on these forums, I will probably need a little something special up my sleeve....
 
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