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jMz
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Lots of long questions mate. It's like being 16 again doing exams.observer said:Absolutely classic, man. And it sure helps.
1. Now I can clearly understand why I used to have some problems in the back. This is cause I have the back line set to "A", and my mate plays with 3 fast forwards (Henry, Pele and Ronaldo!!). I think setting the back line to "B" or "C" will hold them back. But, would they still go forward in Corners and free kicks?
2. I wonder what is meant by "SM" in the picture you are showing. I can't seem to find this position at all!!
3. I always set the "Defense/Attack level" to manual. I like to control how offensive I want to play through out the game. Do you recommend that?
4. Do you use any "man mark" in the defense. I read here that it is quite risky and easily shakes up the defense sometimes. I have my formation very similar to the one you displayed in the second picture (4 in the back) and I set the DMF defense to "covering" to with arrows exactly like you illustrated. I think it is effective. Do use "CV" in any other positions?
5. Last but not least, I find playing with 3 defenders and 1 DMF is extremely risky in this game especially when you play against human opponent with 3 players on the front. do you have any other effective formations with 4 in the back other than the one you gave us here?
Thanks agian for this thread!
1. Yes.
2. What do you think SM means mate, in a football game? SIDE MIDFIELD. *smacks forhead* I only missed the 'f's off so I didn't clutter the picture too much.
3.Yes. Don't trust the computer with anything, it will punish you.
4. Man mark, no. Useless. (2 questions here) CV covering, I don't bother. I leave it default.
5. Back 3, Back 4, all the same to me. Back 4 gives you less attacking options, Back 3 isn't risky at all if you use it right and have the right players, always use a sweeper in the middle. I find it easier to counter with a back 3. Back 4 requires you to build every play slowly and skilfully from the back. I like both styles, and just adapt to who's fit in my team. (again 2 questions here) I do have other 442 ideas, but I don't have a clue who you have, what your option file is like, how you want it done. Use your initiative and knock one up youreslf. If you follow my guidelines, and mix a bit of imagination you could make a superb formation catered just to your style, mate.
jMz
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A superb Friday night of football over at my mates house. We skinned up and got down to business. I used the same set up all night. (Will post image here later.)
1. Me 3 Him 2 (first goal 6 mins, Zidane screamer)
2. Me 6 Him 2 (Dominated and destroyed)
3. Me 6 Him 2 (Conceded 2, then scored 6)
4. Me 1 Him 8 (All went horribly wrong, had Henry sent off 4 mins in, lost plot)
5. Me 6 Him 4 (went 4-0 down and pulled it back in second half, possibly my best game ever )
6. Me 5 Him 5, and Pele misses in penalties, I lose.
This is an example, if you use these formations effectively, you can score a lot of goals, but the dark side is you can make mistakes and suffer (got beat 8-1 one game)
I believe in true entertainment, and that is how I play my football. I like to attack, concede goals, then score more. People love watching me play, never a dull moment.
The lad I played against has been my sparring partner for years, and we regularly compete, I have the edge on games won, but he has the ability to upset the stats (usually has the luck on his side) he is more of a simple and effective player. The only reason I have posted this is because of my excitement. My PS2 is broken at the mo and I only get to play when I go to a mates house, the fact that I've hardly played the game for a month, and still went over and beat him convincingly makes me feel very good. I can't believe I almost forgot how good the game is.
Then we put TOCA Race Driver 2 on XBox. What a fucking game that is too.
1. Me 3 Him 2 (first goal 6 mins, Zidane screamer)
2. Me 6 Him 2 (Dominated and destroyed)
3. Me 6 Him 2 (Conceded 2, then scored 6)
4. Me 1 Him 8 (All went horribly wrong, had Henry sent off 4 mins in, lost plot)
5. Me 6 Him 4 (went 4-0 down and pulled it back in second half, possibly my best game ever )
6. Me 5 Him 5, and Pele misses in penalties, I lose.
This is an example, if you use these formations effectively, you can score a lot of goals, but the dark side is you can make mistakes and suffer (got beat 8-1 one game)
I believe in true entertainment, and that is how I play my football. I like to attack, concede goals, then score more. People love watching me play, never a dull moment.
The lad I played against has been my sparring partner for years, and we regularly compete, I have the edge on games won, but he has the ability to upset the stats (usually has the luck on his side) he is more of a simple and effective player. The only reason I have posted this is because of my excitement. My PS2 is broken at the mo and I only get to play when I go to a mates house, the fact that I've hardly played the game for a month, and still went over and beat him convincingly makes me feel very good. I can't believe I almost forgot how good the game is.
Then we put TOCA Race Driver 2 on XBox. What a fucking game that is too.
jMz
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This post is just details of my friday night of PES. It's long winded. I was very bored last night.
Ok, the guy I was playing's knickname is McNab, if you were wondering. There's a few lads play and I've known them for years and they are fellow PES veterans. You may be asking, "why type all this?" I'll tell you why, because my PS2 is broken and I can't play PES until a weekend when I go over to a mates house (I live a long way from where I used to live). I get very excited about the football I'll tell you. It's sad, I know. So I'm sat at my computer, with no PES. I can type fast. I would normally have spent this time right now playing PES. What's a PES addict gonna do? This is like a smoker making a tab from dumps and rizlas.
The players listed were the players we used in six games, some as subs and some as starting players. We both kept the same formations for all six games, with a few tweaks during games. We played 15 minute games on 5* at Catalonia. All players on red arrows. With ref Heinrich Hausen (I think that's his name. Collina look-alike.) I knew what formation McNab used, so I set my team up in advance.
First game I was getting my feet, and before I knew it 2 excellent plays led to me conceding 2 Thierry Henry goals. I sat forward and kicked off for the second half. Now composed after a toke, I brought Henry off for Alan Shearer, an inspired substitution. End to end stuff for 10 minutes, and Shearer grabs a goal, I smell a comeback. Shearer heads from a Beckham cross in injury time, I leap from my seat. Golden goal, extra time. Shearer knocks it to jMz(my PS2 alter-ego) from the kick off, he rolls it back to Gerrard who stands still, then moves out of the way of an oncoming challenge to put it into Shearers feet. jMz is cutting across the pitch with a deft touch of L2 + square. The defender is dragged with him, space for Gerrard to run into, laid on for him to collect in his stride by Shearer. Gerrard is storming into the box here, he chips it over the incoming defender into jMz's path..... time stops. Bullet time. Kahn storms out, I hear silence, jMz drops his shoulder and Kahn commits to the ground. L1 and a tap of square. It's in off the bar. Not many games make me this happy. And this was just the first match. Final score 3-2, I win.
Kickoff, second game. I'm ready now, I'm preparing myself. Usual passing, cat and mouse stuff. I get a corner, there is a scramble and in the chaos I took out Thuram with Henry, straight red, 4 mins gone. McNab just punished me. My team fell to pieces and he put 8 past me in the next 80 mins. I was disgusted with myself, but the boy played well. I snatched a consolation goal in the 87th minute with jMz after soaking up constant pressure and countering through a supreme Beckenbauer pass. Too late though. Final Score 8-1, I lose.
Cup of tea and a smoke, break for Italy - Sweden.
Game three, I am refreshed after watching proper footie. I knock my aggression up and go for it. He gets a goal, and I'm thinking what the fuck do I have to do, shot after shot after shot, I'm just missing. I just kept calm and played my game. I tried to frustrate him and made a few harsh challenges when he was playing well. I gave a free kick away about 45-50 yds out. He always has a strike with Carlos, and they usually go wide or the keeper has time to get to it. I wasn't worried. This time it spectacularly curls over the wall and leaves the keeper no chance. I find myself 2 goals down with only 15 mins gone. Why is this happening? I get angry. No mercy, no respect. Shearer on again, 26 yrs old, fresh as a daisy. Strangely he doesn't score but lifts the team and my passes start linking together. For the rest of the first half I just kept the ball, tried to outplay him and tinkered with my formations. 2 counter attacking goals later and I'm level when the whistle goes for the interval. I took Henry off and give Rooney a chance. He lit the game up and played a big part in a four goal half. I was starting to get used to the formations I'd put in, and causing havoc. Gaps were popping up everywhere. And my players were running into them. Shearer gets his goal in the last minute from a floated Pires free kick. Final score 6-2, I win.
We jumped straight back into another game. 6mins gone, Zidane pops up in a gap on the edge of the box, latches onto a loose ball and forces it in off the post. Good start. I kept letting him get into my half, and then counter attacking him. I was getting used to the setup. Just before half time, Mcnab gets a goal and makes it 4-1. I just applied the same in the second half and scored another 2 goals. Again Mcnab grabs a goal in the last minute. Final score 6-2, I win.
Straight into another game. I'm just letting him attack and try to counter, but at half time I'm 4-0 down. Head in hands. He was on to me. Change of tactics. Hoping his players were tired I just went all out. It didn't matter because I played the best half I've ever had on PES3. I totally dominated and scored 6 fabulous goals. The last was Henry slotting through Oli Kahn's legs, I had to save it. Final score 6-4, I win.
No matter what happened now I had won the series (6 games, if equal, play a decider)
But we played the last game anyway. A superb 5-5 thriller, ending up in penalties. Everybody scores. Pele steps up for my last penner. Puts it wide of the left post. You dick. Final score 5-5 (5-4 pens), I lose.
So, I won 4-2 on games and we both walk away with a smile. I won't get to have another game til next weekend now. Bugger.
Ok, the guy I was playing's knickname is McNab, if you were wondering. There's a few lads play and I've known them for years and they are fellow PES veterans. You may be asking, "why type all this?" I'll tell you why, because my PS2 is broken and I can't play PES until a weekend when I go over to a mates house (I live a long way from where I used to live). I get very excited about the football I'll tell you. It's sad, I know. So I'm sat at my computer, with no PES. I can type fast. I would normally have spent this time right now playing PES. What's a PES addict gonna do? This is like a smoker making a tab from dumps and rizlas.
The players listed were the players we used in six games, some as subs and some as starting players. We both kept the same formations for all six games, with a few tweaks during games. We played 15 minute games on 5* at Catalonia. All players on red arrows. With ref Heinrich Hausen (I think that's his name. Collina look-alike.) I knew what formation McNab used, so I set my team up in advance.
First game I was getting my feet, and before I knew it 2 excellent plays led to me conceding 2 Thierry Henry goals. I sat forward and kicked off for the second half. Now composed after a toke, I brought Henry off for Alan Shearer, an inspired substitution. End to end stuff for 10 minutes, and Shearer grabs a goal, I smell a comeback. Shearer heads from a Beckham cross in injury time, I leap from my seat. Golden goal, extra time. Shearer knocks it to jMz(my PS2 alter-ego) from the kick off, he rolls it back to Gerrard who stands still, then moves out of the way of an oncoming challenge to put it into Shearers feet. jMz is cutting across the pitch with a deft touch of L2 + square. The defender is dragged with him, space for Gerrard to run into, laid on for him to collect in his stride by Shearer. Gerrard is storming into the box here, he chips it over the incoming defender into jMz's path..... time stops. Bullet time. Kahn storms out, I hear silence, jMz drops his shoulder and Kahn commits to the ground. L1 and a tap of square. It's in off the bar. Not many games make me this happy. And this was just the first match. Final score 3-2, I win.
Kickoff, second game. I'm ready now, I'm preparing myself. Usual passing, cat and mouse stuff. I get a corner, there is a scramble and in the chaos I took out Thuram with Henry, straight red, 4 mins gone. McNab just punished me. My team fell to pieces and he put 8 past me in the next 80 mins. I was disgusted with myself, but the boy played well. I snatched a consolation goal in the 87th minute with jMz after soaking up constant pressure and countering through a supreme Beckenbauer pass. Too late though. Final Score 8-1, I lose.
Cup of tea and a smoke, break for Italy - Sweden.
Game three, I am refreshed after watching proper footie. I knock my aggression up and go for it. He gets a goal, and I'm thinking what the fuck do I have to do, shot after shot after shot, I'm just missing. I just kept calm and played my game. I tried to frustrate him and made a few harsh challenges when he was playing well. I gave a free kick away about 45-50 yds out. He always has a strike with Carlos, and they usually go wide or the keeper has time to get to it. I wasn't worried. This time it spectacularly curls over the wall and leaves the keeper no chance. I find myself 2 goals down with only 15 mins gone. Why is this happening? I get angry. No mercy, no respect. Shearer on again, 26 yrs old, fresh as a daisy. Strangely he doesn't score but lifts the team and my passes start linking together. For the rest of the first half I just kept the ball, tried to outplay him and tinkered with my formations. 2 counter attacking goals later and I'm level when the whistle goes for the interval. I took Henry off and give Rooney a chance. He lit the game up and played a big part in a four goal half. I was starting to get used to the formations I'd put in, and causing havoc. Gaps were popping up everywhere. And my players were running into them. Shearer gets his goal in the last minute from a floated Pires free kick. Final score 6-2, I win.
We jumped straight back into another game. 6mins gone, Zidane pops up in a gap on the edge of the box, latches onto a loose ball and forces it in off the post. Good start. I kept letting him get into my half, and then counter attacking him. I was getting used to the setup. Just before half time, Mcnab gets a goal and makes it 4-1. I just applied the same in the second half and scored another 2 goals. Again Mcnab grabs a goal in the last minute. Final score 6-2, I win.
Straight into another game. I'm just letting him attack and try to counter, but at half time I'm 4-0 down. Head in hands. He was on to me. Change of tactics. Hoping his players were tired I just went all out. It didn't matter because I played the best half I've ever had on PES3. I totally dominated and scored 6 fabulous goals. The last was Henry slotting through Oli Kahn's legs, I had to save it. Final score 6-4, I win.
No matter what happened now I had won the series (6 games, if equal, play a decider)
But we played the last game anyway. A superb 5-5 thriller, ending up in penalties. Everybody scores. Pele steps up for my last penner. Puts it wide of the left post. You dick. Final score 5-5 (5-4 pens), I lose.
So, I won 4-2 on games and we both walk away with a smile. I won't get to have another game til next weekend now. Bugger.
I can feel for you the excitement that you feel. Everyone of us has this mate that it is always a pleasure to kick his ass. Nothing beats it when you publicly humiliate your mate and have him go home with a defeat.jMz said:
last time I played for 7 hours with my friend and I beat him 14/13. Imagine, just 1 match deifference after 7 hours of playing, this is to show you how competitive we are. And we have been this way since WE 4. The problem that you normally face after playing for ages again and again with the same opponent is that the game reaches a dead lock where you feel you cant get creative anymore. This is the time where you should have some major changes in your formation and strategies and even in the way you play. The brilliant thing about this game is that you always can come up with something new.Thatswhy I see the formations you early suggested extremely useful.
One thing here I would like ask about. I have a problem When having multiple formations and change them during the game as you do with :L2: + :triangle:. When I do this in the game, the players are shuffeled in the wrong positions in the new formation. For example, if you have Beckham as a LW in formation 1 or 2, he might be RW or CF in formation 3. This is just an example I know it might not be the case with Beckham in your formation. In this case I have to go back to the formation menu and change the positions of my players to suite the new formation which spoils the the spontaneousness of changeing the formation!
is there a way to avoid this, or I just have to use players that can play in different positions?
is there a way to avoid this, or I just have to use players that can play in different positions?
jMz
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observer said:
I do that on purpose when I play. You don't have to copy mine exactly mate, they are just to put the idea in your head. See I would normally play myself much as I play in real life. I just go anywhere around and in the box. Moving away from defenders. So that's why that player seems to pop up on both wings and up front or variations. The whole point of doing it is to use players multible abilities and positions. Like you see the best teams lining up 442, they don't look like it during a game though, take Real Madrid and France. They are switching wings running and popping up all over the place. So it's down to you to take your squad, pick your best, but most versatile team and create something special, just for you. Then keep it secret. So no-one will counter it. I won't post something I actually use, and if I do, I'll miss out minor (but important) details.
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You use the Attack arrows and so do I, but I'm not certain does that indicate runs they should make or where they focus their attacks or what. I've used them as I had thought them the direction for them to attack etc. and its good so hopefulyl i got it right else its just pot luck
How did you draw those formations up tho? Have you got PES3 for the PC or something because they are neat!
How did you draw those formations up tho? Have you got PES3 for the PC or something because they are neat!
jMz
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Attack arrows are a few things, it tells you in the manual.
No I don't have the luxury of PES3 at the moment, my PS2 is bust and I just don't have it for PC. I made the formations from scratch on Photoshop, I built a template then just manipulated that for each different image. I'm a bit of a computer artist.
No I don't have the luxury of PES3 at the moment, my PS2 is bust and I just don't have it for PC. I made the formations from scratch on Photoshop, I built a template then just manipulated that for each different image. I'm a bit of a computer artist.
That would be cool, we can use this template to share our formations,details, it is kinna difficlut to explain it using reqular text here.original said:
on a side note, jMz, do you use "quick tactics" in the main menu? I noticed once you choose a tactic from there you might loose some of the settings like offensive and defensive arrows of the players. personally, I stopped using them and now I lean more on strategies, player positions and other settings. I think this way you have more grip on what you are doing.
jMz
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Just to answer your question OBSERVER. Please stop asking silly questions.
I will return with the template for people to download. Although it won't be identical to mine, I'm gonna make you work for it, so idiots aren't just posting 10 random, useless formations a day. And don't add your formations to this thread, this is for jMz's advanced formations. It is already full of crap questions and useless ramblings. Sorry if it seems I have attitude, I just get straight to the point. I don't talk like I type, I'm much friendlier. And please, if you have clicked view last message and haven't read the first posts, please go back and check it out. Also please rate this thread.
I will return with the template for people to download. Although it won't be identical to mine, I'm gonna make you work for it, so idiots aren't just posting 10 random, useless formations a day. And don't add your formations to this thread, this is for jMz's advanced formations. It is already full of crap questions and useless ramblings. Sorry if it seems I have attitude, I just get straight to the point. I don't talk like I type, I'm much friendlier. And please, if you have clicked view last message and haven't read the first posts, please go back and check it out. Also please rate this thread.
jMz
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Sorry man, I don't mean to have a go. I just don't have a lot of time. I can only come on here for 15 mins or so at a time. I'm a busy man you see. I'm not sure how you rate the threads, it was there before and I've used it on other posts, and now I can't see it. Don't worry about it.
jMz
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This is just a reminder post, before my post dissapears off the list. If this is the first time you've looked at this thread, and you just view last post, please go back to the first posts, that's where the formations are.
I have edited this message with a guide on how to change formation in game check this out then return to page 1 of this post to start destroying your mates.
I have edited this message with a guide on how to change formation in game check this out then return to page 1 of this post to start destroying your mates.
jMz
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This one is a request. Spikeymaracca wants to beat his brother. The team I was given is below.
Kahn, Thuram, lizarazu, arce, thuram, cafu, huth, nesta, sagnol.
Nedved, ronaldinho, van der meyde, van der vaart, pires, ljungberg,
Ronaldo, Cerci, Tevez, V.Niistelrooy Totti.
NOTES.
I notice a lack of DMF's. So I have put Vieira and Davids in as an example, but buy whoever you like. There is a wealth of rightbacks, and only Lizarazu for leftback (although Sagnol has good weak foot acc). I strongly recommend a purchase of Roberto Carlos. Most of the midfielders are OMF's but some can still play wide although it's not their preferred position. I would replace a few OMF's and right backs with more versatile players. With this selection there aren't a great deal of options.
Default is a balanced but attacking 442.
Formation A is a strong midfield 451. Good for countering.
Formation B is a diamond 442. Good for coasting when you are leading.
Don't waste energy chasing the ball in their half, pull your players back, let your defenders do their job and wait to get the ball then counter.
You may not need to use the alternates at all, but against some formations a change may unlock space or give you extra depth. Like if you are losing the midfield battle, formation A will add a player to ease the pressure, although the striker can become isolated.
I haven't tested it out because my PS2 is bust. I don't know if it will work well, but it should if my memory serves me well. I've played every day since release up until my PS2 broke, so I should know a thing or two.
Kahn, Thuram, lizarazu, arce, thuram, cafu, huth, nesta, sagnol.
Nedved, ronaldinho, van der meyde, van der vaart, pires, ljungberg,
Ronaldo, Cerci, Tevez, V.Niistelrooy Totti.
NOTES.
I notice a lack of DMF's. So I have put Vieira and Davids in as an example, but buy whoever you like. There is a wealth of rightbacks, and only Lizarazu for leftback (although Sagnol has good weak foot acc). I strongly recommend a purchase of Roberto Carlos. Most of the midfielders are OMF's but some can still play wide although it's not their preferred position. I would replace a few OMF's and right backs with more versatile players. With this selection there aren't a great deal of options.
Default is a balanced but attacking 442.
Formation A is a strong midfield 451. Good for countering.
Formation B is a diamond 442. Good for coasting when you are leading.
Don't waste energy chasing the ball in their half, pull your players back, let your defenders do their job and wait to get the ball then counter.
You may not need to use the alternates at all, but against some formations a change may unlock space or give you extra depth. Like if you are losing the midfield battle, formation A will add a player to ease the pressure, although the striker can become isolated.
I haven't tested it out because my PS2 is bust. I don't know if it will work well, but it should if my memory serves me well. I've played every day since release up until my PS2 broke, so I should know a thing or two.
spikeymaracca
The Spikiest maracca
thanks a lot JMZ, but you know when i was telling you my team, i forgot a lot of players, and i have Davids anyway! lol. Thanks. Can i ask what that High Normal Low thing means?
I also have Riise...it all seems to be coming back to me...and Mpenza, Toldo, Nihat...theres more..ust cant remember half of 'em!
I also have Riise...it all seems to be coming back to me...and Mpenza, Toldo, Nihat...theres more..ust cant remember half of 'em!