Yes of course. But even 0 was too fast and arcadeish, imho.
Does anyone really play with 1 and 2? I mean really?
PES 2010 vs PES 2011
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Yes of course. But even 0 was too fast and arcadeish, imho.
Does anyone really play with 1 and 2? I mean really?
I don't have the -speed options at all. Only 0, +1 and +2. WTF!
(PC version 1.01). Is this something that patches added?
Edit: I googled and PC versions don't have minus values for the gamespeed at all. So my suggestions are valid.
im_loving_it
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I know im new to this site and I dont know anyone on here but when you say that to me it makes you sound really stupid.
Which version do you like better?
PES 2010
NandoTorres
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Ah.. Cut it out with the customized pre-set strategies of PES2010 and PES2011 guys. I can score 6-10 goals without any tampering with the strategies in PES2010. The fact that PES2011 allows you to pass with your mind not your fingers as compared to PES2010 shows that PES2011 is far superior to PES2010. I haven't bought PES2011 yet but tried the demo and was very impressed with the things that Konami added. Yes, you can make pin-point through balls with Xavi but there ain't many Xavi's in the game right? Try using Lucas and do that. That's what so challenging about PES2011. Shooting and ball control is more realistic and hard. Not like PES2010 I can breeze through defenders with Crouchie using special controls. Fyi I'm using PC to play PES all the years and freedom of passing is non-existent till now. Buy PES2011 and enjoy it.
One more thing to add, the penalties still sucks! Sort it out!
One more thing to add, the penalties still sucks! Sort it out!
Ultimate777
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You think so? Well you posting ''pes 2010'' in every one of your posts makes you look pretty damn stupid and simple.
Lets be honest you haven't got a quarter of the brain capacity that I possess.
It's not what I like better, its more to do with whats the more playable game that is challenging and doesn't insult my intelligence. pes2010 is a game built for 10-15 year olds and men with attention disorders who mentally have a mind of a adolescent who just want to play as their favourite player and abuse the game.
Pes2011 is targeted to more of a mature audience where you have to think about what you are doing where there are no exploits or cheap goals to score consistently. Wherein tactics then come into the equation. Many people on here cant handle that - they expect to enter the match and play like barcalona. They quickly find out pes2011 doesn't allow you to do that without mastering the game first. Do they either switch to fifa, or go back to abusing pes2010 where they can run down the wing, whip in a cross and header every time. Or pass to messi torres or ronaldo and run through the whole team.
Sminky
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C'mon bud, go easy on the newbies
I actually agree with you about PES2011 now, I've learnt to play it now - and I mean really learnt to play it. I've got to eat humble pie and admit I got it wrong about PES2011. Sure there are glitches and annoying bugs but differing dribbling skills, possession football and good passing makes PES2011 the best football game I've played ... online. I won't go back on what I said about the CPU AI, I still bloody hate it
Amateur
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Ha, laughing my ass off at your ignorance.... this comment shows how redundant your argument is, it also shows how little idea you have as to where and why the game needs massive changes.
You are under the impression that anyone who does not like or enjoy PES11, must be someone with attention disorders or low IQ. That is stupid, even more so when you talk about attention disorders in a PES11 forum....
If you cannot notice why PES11 is not enjoyable for a lot of people, you might actually have an attention disorder.
You just come off as a massive asshole; you really should come to terms with the fact that you have an opinion, and your opinion is not close to a fact....
And even though there are certain facts which deserve to be discussed, you never argue with facts, you are always attacking people for doing the same thing you do: expressing their opinion as if it was a fact, and making childish assumptions that amount to nothing.
Let it be clear, that I have no interest in attacking or belittling your opinion, as you are entitled to an opinion; this is just me, responding to your subjective and offensive comments.
There is absolutely no need to go around saying that the people who prefer PES10 to PES11 are wrong in thinking that.
As for PES11,
I have never abused Xavi Hernandez that much in PES10, he is good in PES10, but not nearly as good as he is in PES11.
In PES11, I give the ball to Xavi Hernandez and I can split the defense wide open with the same identical pass.... without thinking about anything.... because like FIFA09, PES11 does not require any build-up play, it plays like a never-ending counter attack: counter attacks barely require any thinking, it's already obvious.
I have no problem with players like Xavi Hernandez playing a more important role; however, PES11 has gone backwards in other areas of the game.... and these other areas which have gone backwards, directly affect the effectiveness of the new passing system.
My problem with the game is not that I cannot handle such an easy game, my problem with the game is the fact that I cannot enjoy the game for what it is: in my opinion, it is a boring, dull, automatic, restrictive, monotonous, superficial, etc, etc, video game.
In my opinion, PES10 is better than PES11, but I also cannot enjoy PES10 anymore. I was expecting something different with PES11, but it turned out that PES11 is just more of the same, but simpler and dumber than I can tolerate.
In my case, I simply do not play PES nor FIFA, I do not enjoy playing them anymore; and thus, I do not spend time playing either one of them.
Yet, I have the right to express my opinion, and to talk about certain facts if I want to.
This is a fairly simple fact: one button determines the direction when you pass the ball, and an entirely different button determines the power or weight of the pass; in other words, the new passing system is a dual system, it has two dimensions or layers to it.
Another fact: I cannot use the left analogue stick nor the right analogue stick to measure the direction of the tackle, and I also cannot use an entirely different button to measure the distance of the tackle; so how can I intercept a pass when I cannot even measure something as basic as tackling for the ball?
Another fact: the script that the computer uses to dictate everything for you so that you don't experience the necessity of utilizing your brain, is determined by the positioning and movement of the dots or targets that in turn determine the effectiveness of your passing.
Same fact, slightly different perspective: the user cannot utilize pressure sensitive buttons such as the L2 button to control the direction in which the targets move and the speed at which the targets move.... because this would break the com-dictatorship due to the fact that it would give the user the power of dictating his own script.
Another fact: with the ball at your feet, you can cover spaces of over 50 feet of distance by simply directing the left analogue stick without the assistance of a sprint button; which means that it is impossible to affect the direction in which you dribble with the ball without affecting the direction in which you run with the ball.
Same fact, slightly different perspective: when dribbling with the ball, the left analogue stick determines the direction in which the ball carrier runs with the ball, and the left analogue stick also determines the distance covered with the ball; different dimensions or layers attached to one button, the antithesis of the new passing system.
In PES11 and FIFA11, you can run with the ball without the assistance of a running button....
What would happen if you could pass the ball without the assistance of a passing button?
What would happen if the direction of the pass, the power of the pass, and the timing of the pass, was all determined by directing the left analogue stick or the right analogue stick without the assistance of a passing button?
Certainly, the mathematical problem is fairly simple, three different areas cannot be determined by one button without the assistance of another button.
So if the new passing system has two independent dimensions or layers which are attached to different buttons; how do you integrate the new passing system into a game where the dribbling and man-marking system is hugely flawed?
My reason for not liking the game? The fact that the new passing system does not fit in with the rest of the game, and how utterly obvious this is.... and how the mentioned fact affects all the areas of the game; scripted, automatic, pre-determined, predictable, insubstantial, easy, dumb, flawed, etc, etc.
PES11 is one of the easiest video games I have owned, it is not aimed at mature audiences, it is aimed at the people who do not like FIFA for whatever the reason.
Both PES11 and FIFA11 are aimed at the masses, at making money on a yearly basis; and no, PES11 does not plays anything remotely close to real football, nor is it aimed at "mature" audiences.
You talk about maturity, but you never show maturity: sums you up.
Avelives
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Ill beat that you can do pin point through balls with Valeny let alone bloody Lucas, honestly buy the game before commenting, when you see people launching defence splitting passes with CBs by simply just powering the bar up to full ad nauseum, then you might change you opinion.
If by 'think about what your doing' you mean battle against the plethora of bugs, glitches and useless cursor switching to exploit massive defensive loopholes then yeah I guess you have a point
And seriously are you suggesting there arent any glaring exploits and glitches?!? I mean honestly are you joking, this year is the worst yet, the exploits and glitches are so obvious they virtually kick you in the balls every time you play.
I won't go back on what I said about the CPU AI, I still bloody hate it
And theres the rub, Konami seem to have spent so long getting MLO to a playable state, albeit still with issues, that they just totally shafted the offline side of the game, the AI is terrible to play against, most games against the AI are like playing a Mick Mcarthy side circa 1990s on crack.
Online when you arent being cheated or beaten with some cheasy exploit it is great, offline its decidedly... meh
im_loving_it
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No one is listening, at the end of your post say which you prefer, 2010 or 2011. like this
PES 2010
PES 2010
Ultimate777
Banned
Oh piss off, you can not do pin point through passes with the standard master league default players like valeny. There is a clear difference in quality between good and shit players. Play it on top player then talk because you clearly dont have any idea what your talking about and are just another one abusing the game on beginner level then wondering why everything is not how it seems to be.
If by 'think about what your doing' you mean battle against the plethora of bugs, glitches and useless cursor switching to exploit massive defensive loopholes then yeah I guess you have a point
The only glitches are where sometimes selecting the cursor on a player there is a delay. Also sometimes defenders can easily catch up with some of the faster players where in real life that wouldn't happen. Thats not a plethora of bugs so stop exaggerating like an ignoramus just to try to put your point across. Most games have a few bugs, and a few with game breaking bugs like pes10 did have last year
Stop with the bs, there are a few glitches one or two but not something that is highly noticeable that prevents you from enjoying the game
Again talking nonsense, how many games have you honestly played? I've played the game for a good month now and know for a fact teams play differently. You're not going to pull the wool over my eyes. Some teams play defensively but a lot of the good teams take the game to you and are capable of scoring a variety of goals. You're just another kid that gets frustrated because you can't consistently score 5-10 goals past the computer
Oh here we go, you can;t win every game so it must be a cheat, glitch and exploit according to your backwards logic.
Ultimate777
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Stfu, you don't have a clue. You played the game for three days, then gave up like a bitch. So dont start talking like you know what's wrong with the game.
Its not an impression its the truth. I've come a across now four members on here that have been crying about how complicated the tactics navigation screen is and how hard the defence is and how the computer cheat when they fail to win every match. And how they can't out pace players every second. And your another one with no patience after throwing the game out after three days because you realised it wasn't something you could pick up and abuse,
I've highlighted numerous times why people don't find the game enjoyable, it;s not rocket science. They lose a few games and they throw their toys out of the pram instead manning up and learning how to play the game properly.
Unfortunately we have people like you who only lpay the game to search for things that are wrong with it so you can come on here and write stories of how awful the game is even though you've not even given it the time to play it properly
Lol amateur calling someone an asshole even though the whole forum is already tired of you because they know you are one of the most delusional and asinine individuals to ever register on this forum.
They are wrong because pes10 is clearly an inferior game on multiple levels, it's not really up for debate
As for PES11,
sweetmusicman
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I think it is more likely that they will report this thread as blasphemous. Goodness, when will people grow up.... But hey,with men and controllers in their hands I never see that happening.
Stormrider
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Football777 and bunnywhi7e, that's some good stuff there lol. Just do what I do and ignore him. I used to spend some time reading Amateur's extremely long posts until I noticed they're all the same just repeated 100 times over. Add to that they usually don't strike a clear point on top of being directed at the completely wrong people. They should be in the feedback forum or directed straight to Konami and EA, not us regular gamers who can do shit about it all. Now I just don't have the time for it. When I do have time I'd much rather spend it actually playing the game. Being at it for much longer than you 2, my advice is to just save your time because honestly it's no different than arguing with a wall lol. Now I just wonder how long before we all get bookings lol.
In regards to the actually topic, imo Pes 2011 is better but not by as much as I thought it would be. Some things I like better in 2010 like the feel of shots although they are definitely far too accurate, with long distance shots regularly landing on target or missing by only a hair. The ball also seems really heavy, with shots being just about impossible to go over the bar despite using a full power bar. It's also pretty wack how the CPU will constantly back off and give you oodles of space to shoot time and again. It should happen but not nearly as often. The shooting in 2011 feels far too random most of the times, with a tiny little tap of the button landing in row z. Makes little sense to me. I think a happy medium between the 2 would be nice.
Passing is also incredibly limited in 2010, especially long passes. In 2011 it just feels so good landing those pinpoint passes into the corners for oncoming wingers or the deft little flicks into space. The likes of Scholes, Xabi Alonso, and Pirlo can actually play their parts now compared to 2010 where attempting something similar means throwing the ball away 9/10 times.
I might be the only one but I miss the tricks system from last year. For me it was just so intuitive having it on the same stick as dribbling. In 2011 I really don't like how everyone, including Vidic, can do a flip flap or any advanced trick, not to mention an entire link feint. Sure they're not as smooth at it or as successful as a real flair player but when do you ever see Vidic do a flip flap or roulette? I like how in 2010 only a dozen or so players could perform it so it made using those players a special occasion. I'd like it if the game gave us an option between last year's system, this year's system, or a happy medium with some tricks like flip flap and roulette on dribble stick and shoulder feints and step overs on the right stick. I believe EA's NHL game gave you that option when they introduced a new stick system so it definitely can be done.
What I really hated from last year was how CPU teams like Stoke City play and hold the ball like Barca and how the CPU absolutely refused to launch anything that resembles an attack. Glad that's gone now.
Also the new tactical system, especially the minute by minute tactics are a nice touch. The fucked up away form of your players are also a nice touch and really make away games more difficult and feel different than home games for once.
In regards to the actually topic, imo Pes 2011 is better but not by as much as I thought it would be. Some things I like better in 2010 like the feel of shots although they are definitely far too accurate, with long distance shots regularly landing on target or missing by only a hair. The ball also seems really heavy, with shots being just about impossible to go over the bar despite using a full power bar. It's also pretty wack how the CPU will constantly back off and give you oodles of space to shoot time and again. It should happen but not nearly as often. The shooting in 2011 feels far too random most of the times, with a tiny little tap of the button landing in row z. Makes little sense to me. I think a happy medium between the 2 would be nice.
Passing is also incredibly limited in 2010, especially long passes. In 2011 it just feels so good landing those pinpoint passes into the corners for oncoming wingers or the deft little flicks into space. The likes of Scholes, Xabi Alonso, and Pirlo can actually play their parts now compared to 2010 where attempting something similar means throwing the ball away 9/10 times.
I might be the only one but I miss the tricks system from last year. For me it was just so intuitive having it on the same stick as dribbling. In 2011 I really don't like how everyone, including Vidic, can do a flip flap or any advanced trick, not to mention an entire link feint. Sure they're not as smooth at it or as successful as a real flair player but when do you ever see Vidic do a flip flap or roulette? I like how in 2010 only a dozen or so players could perform it so it made using those players a special occasion. I'd like it if the game gave us an option between last year's system, this year's system, or a happy medium with some tricks like flip flap and roulette on dribble stick and shoulder feints and step overs on the right stick. I believe EA's NHL game gave you that option when they introduced a new stick system so it definitely can be done.
What I really hated from last year was how CPU teams like Stoke City play and hold the ball like Barca and how the CPU absolutely refused to launch anything that resembles an attack. Glad that's gone now.
Also the new tactical system, especially the minute by minute tactics are a nice touch. The fucked up away form of your players are also a nice touch and really make away games more difficult and feel different than home games for once.
NandoTorres
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Amateur
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S-D-P
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The dpad is redundant to me, I have been very impressed with how KONAMI have implemented manual passing and the analog is crucial to this, the analog manual pass was heavily restricted on PES 2010 which is not the case now. I always read Amateurs posts with great interest although(no offence) they can be very repetitive and I don't see why you have to bring up the same points over and over . For me although not as polished pes 2011 is better than the last gen games which is enough for me right now, although I agree with amateur the game needs to change and innovate, especially making full use of the analog with regards to passing ratio and shooting ratio. We also need to move away from some of the automated AI interventions as this can undermine any freedom you do have. I expect KONAMI to deliver more than they actually do, some of the flaws in this game are incomprehensible but I also feel the subtleties of the controls are underrated. Despite my love for pes 11 I do fear KONAMI want to play the game for us, I seem to remember Seabass saying a few years ago he wanted games to run like little stories.
Ultimate777
Banned
You'd over be able to cover 50 feet with no sprint assistence if you selected 1vs2 plyer and no one was using the the 2nd player.
Lol dribbling has nothing to do with how the passing system is employed. I don't know what you're rambling about here because I use the d-pad which allows me the user to dribble in any direction I want. Something that wasn't possible on pes2010 as it playd as if they were on rails.
The d-pad moves your player and acts as a default running button. It serves to give variation of running speeds. You press the running button in order to accelaerate
Well you would have to use the analogue stick, but it really wouldnt work because of the sensitivity of the stick and would make it inconvienent to play
Well it would be annoying and I doubt It'll be enjoyable. You can already direct manual passes without the use of the pass button What exactly is your point?
It's not a problem because there are three different buttons for the use of dribbling actually four if you include the two left and right anolague sticks. L2,R2, R1. So clearly again you make no sense as there is no action besides shooting that is determinded by one button. There is obviously the option to Run at different degrees. There is slow dribbling which allows for better close control and there is dash dribble which is to help the player bomb forward or get away from his marker. It clearly serves a purpose to have two different dribbling systems. You making it out to be the equilavent of being able to pass without the use of the pass button proves you are clearly retarded
The dribbling system isn't flawed as you have full control over the movement of your player while on the ball. If it was flawed you wouldnt have to time to dribbling, or you wouldnt be able to counter/contain a player who pulls off a trick. You can argue about man marking however it's really only a minor issue, which should and could easily be fixed. You not being able to select a player as quick as you like is not a big issue. It doesn't destroy the passing machanics in the game, or make it easier.
How does it not fit into the game, when now you have to measure your passes and are able to pass the ball where you want giving the option of playing a completely different style of play? It's not a fact as you wish to present it. You're just some nutcase who states it doesn't fit, doesn't mean it's true.
I don't know why I'm talking to you to be honest, I guess I'm hoping you might see and realise you're own insanity and stupity. I hope you realise you said the exact same words about pes2010 last year. I can confidently say you will hate the next version of pes12 and call it dumb flawed outdated predictable. And you will say exactly what you just said about pes12, except if they release a new shooting and defense system you'll mention how it doesn't fit into the game and how its flawed because of the analogue stick and other shit you like to make a issue of.
Really? And how many games did you play no top player over those three days before you gave up?
Oh no, they are out to make money are they? :shocking: Such evil bad men trying to make money on a yearly basis. Who would of thought these kind of horrific and barbaric crimes still take place in this day and age!
Konami and fifa shouldn't dare cater a game to wide audiences around the world. The game should be made exlusively towards the true underground fans like amatuer who know what it takes to make a great game after dedicating all their time stuck in their basements signing up to pesgaming and writing endless essays boring people to death while being mentality unstable
Boo hoo.